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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 127
From: therealmnm | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:16:03 AM | Message Detail
Why don't you people just start ignoring him?

And about Sigma... this just let's you know just how many hardcore Mega Man fans there are...

Bowser >>>>> Anybody else in this contest. I'm glad he's finally getting the recognition he deserves!
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:20:45 AM | Message Detail
Sigma is getting eaten alive...I, for one, don't think there's any SFF in this. Bowser is Nintendo; Sigma is from MMX, which is largely a PlayStation series. If Wily gets beat this bad I think you can use the SFF excuse, but not Sigma. It was clear last round that no one gives a damn about Sigma.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:24:46 AM | Message Detail
Prelim stats for Bowser's 4 pack:

On Bowser:
Bowser 50.00
Sigma 20.67
Andross 19.23
Pyramid Head 16.12

On 2k3 Link (constant Bowser):
Bowser 30.97
(CATS 13.36)
Sigma 12.80
Andross 11.91
Pyramid Head 9.98
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From: therealmnm | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:31:49 AM | Message Detail
Still, the first 3 games were on SNES. I would think that most of the people buying the PS versions were people who were fans of the Super Nintendo series. But you're right. This really says that nobody cares about Sigma. This is similar to me saying people LIKE Mega Man, but he doesn't have as many people that are diehard fans like Cloud, Link, Mario, or Samus would.

I'd like to see how Mega Man stacks up against Samus and Sonic...

This is the earliest I've EVER had a bracket breaking loss in a contest, outside of Starcraft/Halo. I had a perfect bracket in 2k3 all the way up to Squall/Luigi. Sora/Hayabusa was the match that kept me from WINNING the contest.... But Kuja/Master Hand hurts more than all of them.

This... freaking... sucks....
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From: PepsiPlunge | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:33:11 AM | Message Detail
I'd like to see how Mega Man stacks up against Samus and Sonic...

Same. I'd love to see Mega Man vs Sonic. Same Color Fanbase match? Ok, lame joke I know. That's still a match I'd really love to see though.
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From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:33:19 AM | Message Detail
I don't think there's any SFF, and I think that Sigma's poor showing in this contest can be explained in the following:

Have you ever heard of a Mega Man game in the classic timeline without Wily? No, because there isn't one.

Have you ever heard of a Mega Man X game without Sigma? Yes. Mega Man X: Command Mission (and no, it's not a factor in the contests at all). The series could continue beyond Sigma, and I think Mega Man fans know that. There was great cheering with the "no more Sigma" tone of X8, if I remember correctly.

Sigma is expendable. Bowser isn't.
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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:34:21 AM | Message Detail
Let's assume that Bowser is somehow on the level of Solid Snake for this contest, which isn't entirely inconceivable. Where would that put everyone?
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From: Tai | Posted: 5/19/2005 8:44:47 AM | Message Detail
Bowser >>>>> Anybody else in this contest. I'm glad he's finally getting the recognition he deserves!

Agreed. A lot better than most of these n00b-like characters.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/19/2005 9:08:24 AM | Message Detail
Only Magus tops Kuja in that regard.

Magus isn't a villain, no matter how you look at it. He's an anti-hero. Let it go, yo.

And I'm almost sold on the idea of Bowser being stronger this year. I'm not buying SFF here. Just a stronger Bowser.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 5/19/2005 9:11:30 AM | Message Detail
Now that my bracket is in shambles, I want to see Master Hand make the finals, if only to see the <5% prediction percentage that would come along with suck an event.

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From: Neurosis | Posted: 5/19/2005 9:22:25 AM | Message Detail
FWIW, about Suikoden II's sales, with the high price for selling the game, I'm pretty sure the actual people who have owned the game is much higher than the people who have just bought it.
From: FFDragon | Posted: 5/19/2005 9:23:45 AM | Message Detail
I want to see Master Hand make the finals, if only to see the <5% prediction percentage that would come along with suck an event.

Freudian slip?
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From: andaca | Posted: 5/19/2005 9:24:15 AM | Message Detail
Now that my bracket is in shambles, I want to see Master Hand make the finals, if only to see the <5% prediction percentage that would come along with suck an event.

Eh, close enough
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/19/2005 9:25:57 AM | Message Detail
Why don't you people just start ignoring him?

"Ignore trolls, and they'll go away" doesn't work anymore.

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From: Garsha | Posted: 5/19/2005 9:26:22 AM | Message Detail
"My first impression had been to put Kuja with 75% or 80% ... but then I remembered the strength of the SSBM factor...."

I just feel like quoting this as a comment to yesterday's match.
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From: voltch | Posted: 5/19/2005 10:53:01 AM | Message Detail
how many perfect brackets are likely to fall after tomorrow
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/19/2005 11:32:45 AM | Message Detail
Give fedor a break. He is just excited because he's #1 on the leaderboard. He doesn't realize that there are 48 other brackets in the exact same spot that he's in. Hell, my alt is perfect, number 48 on the leaderboard, but you don't see me saying, "I won't reveal the rest of my perfect bracket just yet!"

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From: TheRye | Posted: 5/19/2005 11:34:37 AM | Message Detail
One thing's for damn sure, if I had a perfect bracket after round 1, I would not be wanting my name put in lights.

Crap, I had a perfect round until the last match, but you never hear me saying "HEY ULTI GUESS WHAT SIN LOST HAHA YOU SUCK" or anything of the ilk.

No offense Ulti, you were just the first person I thought of.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/19/2005 11:49:41 AM | Message Detail
Question: did any perfects fall on Ganondorf vs. Giygas? =P

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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/19/2005 11:59:19 AM | Message Detail
No
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From: Chococid | Posted: 5/19/2005 12:07:35 PM | Message Detail
Question:
Are there enough close matches left to make it so that nobody finishes with a perfect score?


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Bowser, Sigma, Ocelot, Wily||Sephy, Vergil, Lavos, Liquid
Kefka, Wesker, Bison, Diablo||Ganon, Ansem, Eggman, Kuja
From: Tai | Posted: 5/19/2005 12:09:55 PM | Message Detail
Ocelot/Wily
Diablo/Bison
Ruin Division Final..


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From: Ma Chao the Wanderer | Posted: 5/19/2005 12:10:54 PM | Message Detail
Leave it to Tai to leave out Eggman/MH.
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From: The n00b Avenger | Posted: 5/19/2005 12:11:19 PM | Message Detail
Dr. Robotnik Vs. Master Hand...

>_> <_<
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From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 5/19/2005 12:11:49 PM | Message Detail
It's very possible that we may not see a perfect score after all, depending on Ruin, and Master Hand winning another match. And then there's the long shot in Bowser beating Sephiroth, which would ensure that we have no perfects.

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From: Tai | Posted: 5/19/2005 12:12:42 PM | Message Detail
Oh, that too, especially when Master Hand wins. :)
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From: Chococid | Posted: 5/19/2005 12:19:53 PM | Message Detail
Hm...
I'm just hoping that my bracket is 'right' except for kuja/hand, and that the perfects all had hand over robotnik (obviously i have eggman over hand)...


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Bowser, Sigma, Ocelot, Wily||Sephy, Vergil, Lavos, Liquid
Kefka, Wesker, Bison, Diablo||Ganon, Ansem, Eggman, Kuja
From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/19/2005 1:15:45 PM | Message Detail
Your hope if futile. Some will take robo over MH.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/19/2005 1:48:33 PM | Message Detail
At the 13:45 mark, this match has 43046 votes. To compare to other matches at the same time:

Bowser/Pyramid Head - 44726
Liquid/Tenpenny - 43567
Ridley/Diablo - 50532
Robotnik/Sin - 41764
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 5/19/2005 1:53:50 PM | Message Detail
"Ignore trolls, and they'll go away" doesn't work anymore.

since when?
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:00:36 PM | Message Detail
...why the hell would anyone assume this is SFF? Can Bowser and/or Link not beat the hell out of a Mega Man character without being labeled with the SFF tag? Seriously, there should not be any SFF in this match at all. Bowser is just beating the living hell out of Sigma. It's certainly possible that Bowser gained from previous contests -- something I brought up earlier in round 1. I think Bowser is very capable of pulling in a solid number against Sephiroth in the semi-finals.

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:22:19 PM | Message Detail
Peopel just don't want to accept that 2k3 numbers are wrong and that Sigma also sucks.
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From: swirldude | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:22:21 PM | Message Detail
Geez, these topics go so fast, I can never keep up...

But Master Hand and Bowser kicking ass is worth it.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:33:03 PM | Message Detail
Nobody fell on Ganondorf/Giygas? How disappointing. :[ There was probably a good 700 brackets, and there was about 700 perfects on Cloud vs. Duke Nukem and Snake vs. Tanner, and perfects fell on those matches...

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:33:36 PM | Message Detail
It's probably because nobody had any idea who Giygas was.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:42:42 PM | Message Detail
It disappoints me that Bowser might have benefited from being in the Villain Contest, yet not Kefka. :[

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:45:42 PM | Message Detail
Who said it's the result of simply being a villains contest? I think Bowser will carry this over into the Summer Contest, if it is indeed an increase in strength.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:54:02 PM | Message Detail
Hm, I thought you guys would assume Bowser gained from being in a villain contest, as opposed to regular one.

Well, it's a huge stretch, but what if...

Both Crono's and Mega Man's matches WERE accurate against Link in SC2K4, and Mario and Crono both gained? Luigi showed some good strength against Pac-Man, too. That would likely have to mean that Cloud overperformed against Link.

Obviously there's still more evidence pointing to Mega Man simply underperforming...

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:55:49 PM | Message Detail
I'd say that Luigi overperformed on Pac-Man, personally. Plus, there's the possibility that Kefka's 2004 number is wrong. It absolutely amazes me how Kefka can go from barely beating Pac-Man in 2003 and beating him something like 65/35 in 2004, and yet nobody seems to think nothing is wrong with it.
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From: Heroic_Cable | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:58:12 PM | Message Detail
It absolutely amazes me how Kefka can go from barely beating Pac-Man in 2003 and beating him something like 65/35 in 2004, and yet nobody seems to think nothing is wrong with it.

I completely agree. How do people finding that Kefka jumped 10% for no reason reliable is shocking.

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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/19/2005 2:58:52 PM | Message Detail
...why the hell would anyone assume this is SFF? Can Bowser and/or Link not beat the hell out of a Mega Man character without being labeled with the SFF tag?

I don't know. I mean, Nintendo/Capcom SFF was just crazy to begin with. It's just hard for some people to see Mega get crushed by Link, or Sigma by Bowser.
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From: Haste2 | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:00:21 PM | Message Detail
Um, I always assumed Luigi overperformed against Pac-Man. I was just saying that Luigi vs. Pac-Man is possible evidence that Mario characters in general have gotten stronger. And, what if, just what if, a big part of the reason Kefka is so far ahead of Pac-Man is because Pac-Man (plus Luigi and Yoshi) was measured too low? Exceedingly unlikely, but...

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:02:22 PM | Message Detail
And it's possible that Kefka is ranked too highly as well. I just don't think Pac-Man can draw in votes against fellow iconic characters like Luigi. Mario would probably obliterate him as badly as he did Olimar. The same thing might have happened to Mrs. Pac-Man, too.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:29:59 PM | Message Detail
Bowser and Ganon are really going to be on a roll with these blowouts. Ganon should put up similar, or even better, numbers against Ansem. Hell, they are going to walk out of their division without ever going under 70% by my prediction.

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From: therealmnm | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:30:16 PM | Message Detail
Voter pool.... plain and simple.
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From: cyko | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:31:16 PM | Message Detail
...why the hell would anyone assume this is SFF? Can Bowser and/or Link not beat the hell out of a Mega Man character without being labeled with the SFF tag? Seriously, there should not be any SFF in this match at all. Bowser is just beating the living hell out of Sigma. It's certainly possible that Bowser gained from previous contests -- something I brought up earlier in round 1. I think Bowser is very capable of pulling in a solid number against Sephiroth in the semi-finals.

i'm in agreement with HM here. although perrsonally, i think Bowser may have gained because of two reasons:

#1) are x-stats are based solely off of the Cloud vs. Bowser match (because his other two matches were SFF matches. well, Ness is a maybe, but Mario definitely was heavy SFF.) in that match Cloud was the very heavy favorite with over 73% of the brackets. the heavy favorites usually tend to over-perform a bit. and now Bowser is the heavy favorite with probably over 73% of the brackets behind him. i think being the top seed and the huge favorite will automatically boost Bowser's performance a few points over his previous x-stat value.

#2) in that same Cloud vs. Bowser match, Bowser's pic was absolutely horrible. even though Bowser should be very recognizable, his 8-Bit SMB1 pic is far less cool-looking than his current 16-bit SMW pic. i think a vastly improved pic might have also helped Bowser out. that picture of Bowser was horrible:

http://www.sc2k4.com/frog/images/sc2k3_pics/t_sum03b51.jpg

and i agree that pics don't affect well-known characters as much as other characters, but i am still a firm beleiver that Wind Waker Link killed Link in 2K3 and using the adult Link in 2K4 accounted for much of his increase from 2K3 to 2K4.

so, maybe Bowser is experiencing a similar increase because of that?

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From: cyko | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:31:46 PM | Message Detail
oh, and after today's match, now who would you take between Bowser and Ganondorf. ;)

Bowser all the way!!

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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:32:46 PM | Message Detail
Hell, they are going to walk out of their division without ever going under 70% by my prediction.

Maybe Ganon will, but this is Bowser's last match where he gets over 50%.

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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:33:07 PM | Message Detail
Ganon could walk out of his division without failing to break 80% if he faces Glove.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/19/2005 3:33:34 PM | Message Detail
Ganondorf, and I wouldn't think twice OR look back OR regret it.
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