Check out Sephiroth/Ramirez, Lavos/MB, Kefka/Mithos, Ansem/CATS, and Robo/Sin along with today's match then and see what relations there are to Square characters.

Another thing I forgot; Master Hand's steady day-vote helped him win the upset-poll, too. Cheating just isn't that likely guys.
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Well, I can safely say that I'd put this right in between Mario/Crono 3 and FFTA/Fire Emblem.
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I had 32% in mind behind MH.
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Hey I'd love to believe he isn't cheating. I really don't think he is. Just want to be sure. I think he'd have won anyway. If Kuja doesn't cut the lead in half tonight, I'll just stop caring since MH would have definitely won regardless in that case.

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With the Guru challenge having 24 perfects, only 1 with Master Hand, how many do you think will be left after tomorrow?

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Well, since you'd technically have to be a worse bracket-maker to choose Master Hand, I'll say a bit over 1/24 and go with 19 perfects after today.

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Here's a graph showing that the votes have been consistent :-P
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v463/dw4ever/kuja-masterhand.gif
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I don't blame the perfects being mad about it, seeing as how Kuja was the favorite and this was the last match before a perfect first round was attained. However, throwing "sore losers" in the fray isn't helping your matters either; alot of people actually DO detest MH > Kuja for reasons outside of their brackets. If MH beats Dr. Robotnik, I may detest it a lil', even if I like both of them. If Revolver beats Dr. Wily, I may detest that too, despite the fact I have Revolver > Wily in my bracket.

Their outcries are alot more legit than I think you're giving credit for, although there certainly are plenty of people pissed simply because they missed today's match.
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Fair enough. You agree that I didn't make the topic to brag though right? Because someone accused me of that...

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95% that no cheating is occuring according to his graph, I like.
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You did give warning that you'd be a jack-ass if MH won, heh. I wouldn't call it bragging or gloating becuase you're not directly rubbing it in their faces, yet you're being attack-ably happy about it. That can still come off the wrong way if you aren't careful.
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I'm actually trying not to be to mean about it, though a large portion of the board certainly deserves it. :P

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We can only hope for MH > Robotnik.

I honestly don't give a crap about my bracket or winning this contest, personally. I think you'd be a little miffed if a hand were beating your favorite villain, too.
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My bracket and preference have Dr. Robo > MH, though as long as this entire four-pack finds a place in the next character contest somewhere, I'll be happy with MH winning it. I'd still take Dr. Robo over MH right now though.

I'm curious how well MH would handle SFF; against Ganon, we know he will absolutely flatten him...but what if MH faced Falco (like me and Leonhart talked about awhile back)? Would Falco still (r?)SFF MH noticably, or would it be pretty even still, or could MH really bring together SSB/M players? We also don't know where Falco or MH lie if they were in the stats, either, so it could actually be a good match.
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though as long as this entire four-pack finds a place in the next character contest somewhere

The odds of it are nigh-impossible, especially with the cap still in place and the fact that very few villains actually get enough casual support to make it in when it's not just villains.
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On the one hand, I want Master Hand to lose to Robotnik so I have a chance at, ya know, winning, but really, I won't mind too much if he beats Robotnik simply so we have no idea where thie four-pack places.

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I agree, which is why I still want Dr. Robotnik to beat MH; just so we can keep a decent idea of where these four are. We could see up to two of these four, maybe, but I realize all four is essentially impossible without some intervention from CJay.
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I suppose Robotnik and MH are possible, but really, I doubt either will make it. And I'm still very irked that MH gains by the hundred in 5 minute intervals whereas MC had about 10 or 15 votes every five minutes... But whatever.

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Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow are about all you can expect to see from the series. Robotnik won't get enough support.

Master Hand could barely raise enough support to get into THIS contest. No way he could make it in with the cap. Cap rule kills Sin and Kuja, too.
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I think Kuja was the underdog in the brackets, actually.

And we'd only need one of these guys to make the summer to answer any questions may have left over... Robotnik is far and away the best chance, though I can't see 5 Sonic characters in together.
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I think Kuja was the underdog in the brackets, actually.

And we'd only need one of these guys to make the summer to answer any questions may have left over... Robotnik is far and away the best chance, though I can't see 5 Sonic characters in together.

I doubt that a lot. We'll see later though.

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I just figured I'd throw this in for no reason, but Kuja doesn't have a last name, yo.
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Yeah, I'd have loved to see this go uninterrupted. Whatever.
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Not to mention, labeling him with that particular last name would be considered a huge spoiler.
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Really? Well damn.
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So now I'm going to try posting this again, since Sigma and co. aren't exactly winners, so try not to interrupt this time, K?
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SPRING CONTEST 2005: ROUND 1 WINNERS AND LOSERS

Welcome, once again, to this mid-contest recap. Once again we will go around the table and see who pwned, who bombed, and who was lame enough to lose to the Hamburger Helper mascot. So let's get started with the heroes of round 1!

WINNERS

STAR OF THE ROUND - (R7) Diablo: Many of you can remember my disappointment when I first saw that Diablo would make it into the contest, only to be apparently jobbed out in the first round to Ridley. But as I looked what had been written overnight, I was surprised to find out that Ridley/Diablo was THE match of the tournament. Many people expected Diablo to be the next Starcraft. And while he didn't put up powerhouse-in-the-making numbers, Diablo still flat-out destroyed Ridley, SSBM/MGS2-style. We're talking about a character that had been very often mentioned to make the contest since 2003 getting pwned by someone that rarely ever got mentioned. And despite being a perennial board favorite, Ridley could only scrape a very slight majority of support, be it on the BOP or with the Gurus. This is more a testament to Diablo's strength than Ridley's weakness though, as overall bracket support leaned the same way, proving that Ridley wasn't just a board creation. Still, Diablo was the better dinosaur that day, featured on a match pic where both contenders could've looked a whole lot better. And that victory put Diablo in a very solid position to take the Ruin division and face Ganondorf in the semifinals. Some are even dreaming of the impossible upset... but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Diablo came, he saw, he vanquished, but he still has much work to do, beginning with...

HONORABLE MENTION - (R6) Mike Bison: Wow. Just... wow. I still can't get over the result of that match. That was a trampling of epic proportions here. And that just can't be due to Albedo being a huge pile of feces. If Bison were equal to Kefka, Albedo would still be rotting at the level of CATS, which is mind-boggling given how relatively well KOS-MOS defends herself in the summer. Suddenly, Bison went from being mere fodder to whoever won Ridley/Diablo to actually contending for that Final 4 spot with Diablo and Kefka. Can Bison really be as strong as Ken Masters? That's one I honestly didn't expect.

(M1) Bowser: This guy must be laughing his ass off. Everyone around him... just... sort of collapsed. Sigma completely ****ing up against Andross, Ocelot not a lock to beat WILY anymore, and Wily himself being very meh in his own match. Add to that his biggest career blowout ever, although it was against the completely worthless Pyramid Head, and you just know that if you have anyone else to win the Mushroom division, you're ****ed. End of story.

(M5) Andross: He may have lost his match, but he sure gained a lot of credit on that one. He can't possibly be anywhere near as popular as Fox, but falling just short of beating Sigma, who should normally get plenty of votes just for being associated with Megaman (and the X series at that!), is a sign that he did just about as well as he could possibly hope to do. And that's despite being totally left out of Star Fox Assault, mind you.

(M6) Nemesis: I don't recall his name being mentioned once on the board during the bracketmaking period. Of course, that's because the board was in Ocelot-mania mode since last winter, and Nemmy was the least of the Metal Gear fans' worries. However, he did a damn fine job at holding a huge fan-favorite at around 55%. Whereas Wesker was unanimously thought to be the top RE entrant in this contest, Nemesis changed all that in his own match... and we hadn't even seen Wesker yet.
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(J8) Ramirez: The Sephiroth/Ramirez result was very similar to the Cloud/Vyse one. That seems to mean Ramirez is to Vyse as Sephiroth is to Cloud, and that's very, very good, considering Cloud/Sephiroth is about as narrow a hero-villain gap as you can get. Mad props to Ramirez for a cult villain being anywhere around the main, a rarity from what we've seen so far.

(J4) Vergil Sparda: Thanks to DMC3, everyone's favorite math teacher took out a hyped cult villain, and did so in spectacular manner. The thing with Vergil was, no one got the feeling that there was anything in DMC outside of Dante that could do well in a contest. Vergil put a stop to that by blowing away Ghaleon. Yes, Ghaleon is cult, but cult characters have a following, and so are automatically a tier above losers like Pyramid Head. Sales and exposure make it difficult to think Ghaleon was any weaker than Luca Blight, and yet it made no difference to Vergil.

(J6) Mother Brain: After she came within striking distance of Lavos, many people saw it as good news for Ridley going into his own match. After his ousting, however, new theories began to pop up, a credible one being that more people treat Mother Brain as Samus' nemesis than we gave her credit for. Some went as far as suggesting Mother Brain would've had a better chance against Diablo. While this remains to be seen, we may as well give her the benefit of the doubt for now and say it was a good showing on her part.

(J2) Liquid Snake: No, there was never any doubt about Liquid beating Tenpenny, beating Lavos, and jobbing to Sephiroth. But the way he kicked the living crap out of Tenpenny deserves special mention. Liquid was going against the villain from GameFAQs' latest Game of the Year, and no matter how small Tenpenny's involvement was, keeping him to a mere 20% is a mighty feat.

(R8) Mithos: Kefka may be weak, but for a villain from a cult game (a big cult too, no doubt about that) to get 36% on him is no slouch. While many see that performance as Kefka's eventual doom against Bison or Diablo, or even Wesker for those above Heroic Mario on the "delusional" scale, I think there's more than meets the eye: Lloyd and/or Kratos would not only be a lock for being in the next character battle, but have the potential to win a match for another reason than lucky bracket placement (read: Vyse last year).

(T1) Ganondorf Dragmire: Biggest blowout of the contest, how's that for a splash? The strongest character to have never made the Sweet 16 in a regular character battle really started this one like a lion, although there surely was some SFF involved. Still, it was probably less than for Bowser/Ness, where most of it allegedly stemmed from SSBM. And just like Bowser, every opponent is crumbling around Ganondorf. Ansem almost lost to CATS, Kuja already did so against Master Hand, and Eggman and Sin had a semi-close encounter with each other.

(T5) CATS: Yes, the board vote gave CATS a good lead early on, and that's why he was even in the race. However, the catch is that the night vote helped maintain that lead... Don't tell me you didn't have chills going down your spine when you woke up only to see CATS actually LEADING a match. The sole fact that he gave a Square villain the fight of a lifetime after building himself the reputation we know is enough to put him on this list. Yes, Square villains are bombing one after the other... more on that later. But for now, let's sleep knowing that CATS will never come this close to victory ever again.
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(T3) Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik: Ridley/Diablo aside, Eggman/Sin was the most anticipated match of this round, and it didn't deliver either. That's because Eggman was in control the whole time, despite Sin attempting to come back late in the poll - it just wasn't enough. And not only that, but he may have done the hardest part in securing the most disputed Elite 8 spot in the contest. Few people had Eggman going through the Square gauntlet, but with the entirety of that gauntlet down and Eggman still standing, it's more than doable.

(T6) Sin: Sephiroth aside, only one Square villain performed like he was expected to, and that was Sin. I mean, look at it. Lavos, Kefka and Ansem were very disappointing, and Kuja actually LOST in what will go down as one of the biggest upsets of all time. But Sin was a very sexy upset pick, and performed exactly as such, even cutting down on Eggman's lead in the closing stages. Is it a sign of Eggman completely stinking, or is Sin not given enough credit? Either way, Sin being one of the few Square entrants to make a good impression is enough to be on that list.

(T7) Master Hand: *grumbles about how people in general suck, and how it's not bracket voters or Squareheads that are in an uproar, but people with common sense*

MMXcalibur: Before the contest began, he called Ocelot over Wily a daring upset pick. And everyone was "LOL WILY HAS NO CHANCE U N00B". What goes up must come down, I guess.

LOSERS:

TURD OF THE ROUND - (T2) Kuja: Amazing. Both the board and front-page voters push him into the contest at a very high seed, but as soon as he's pit against the only non-eligible villain to have made it into the contest anyway, everyone drops him like a sack of potatoes, just because the opponent comes from the site's favorite game in the last six years. I don't think any character short of Shadow the Hedgehog is worth that kind of treatment. No, seriously. Kerrigan may have been an evil protagonist, but Master Hand wasn't even villainous to start with. Heck, you could make more of a case for MAGUS than you could for Master Hand. And still, Kuja finds a way to lose. Now, I haven't played FF9, and while I love SSB, Master Hand is nothing more than a joke. A winning joke, but a joke nonetheless. And not even a funny joke like CATS, at that. Such is the power of the big N, I suppose. Oh, I forgot, they didn't come out for Ridley, but bring along someone infinitely less cool, and the W column fills up. And Kuja loses against that. This contest should serve as a warning to us all should we ever see Seymour or Seifer pop up into one of these things, because Kuja isn't the exception, but the rule...

DISHONORABLE MENTION - (T4) Ansem: Say it with me: someone almost lost to CATS. I said, SOMEONE ALMOST LOST TO CATS. And Ansem happens to be the poor soul who did that. No, seriously. After we've seen the true power of Sora and Kingdom Hearts, no way was Ansem NOT going to get a solid win, right? WRONG! He completely throws the Square advantage away, as did everyone save Sephiroth and Sin, and lets CATS lead for five hours. FIVE ****ING HOURS. Sure, he ended up with 54% on CATS, but 54% on CATS is not what you expect from anything Kingdom Hearts. Decidedly, KH loves to mess with us in contests.

(M8) Pyramid Head: I fail to see how this thing got into the contest, given how he wasn't even in the top 32 of the nomination tallying topic, and I betcha he got zero front-page support. So CJayC throwing Inviso a bone it is. And after seeing PH perform like Guybrush Threepwood was an unstoppable monster, I have one thing to say... go away. Go away and never come back.
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(M4) Sigma: As I mentioned earlier, Andross could only be so strong. So if Sigma could only beat him by a couple thousand votes, it sort of strengthens the theory that outside of Megaman and Zero, the popularity of the Megaman cast is fairly close to nonexisteny. And don't bring me that MMX BS. If you want to see two Megamen so badly, then let's put four Links and two or three Zeldas in there and see how fun that is.

(M3) Revolver Ocelot: It's a small miracle that Ocelot managed to avoid being crowned turd of the round after what he did. But it's a freaking act of the devil (nothing to do with Diablo, as you can see) that he's not even the dishonorable mention either. 55% is the percentage many of us expected him to get on Jill Valentine, not freaking Nemesis! After that, the previously unthinkable Wily upset became a real possibility.

(M2) Dr. Albert Wily: But it's not like Wily did too well either. Despite not being as much of a stinkbomb as Ocelot turned out to be, not even 65% on a mere secondary FF6 villain (remember, even the beloved main one is weak) of "almost-a-joke" standing can make anyone question just how strong you truly are. See the above about Megaman being nonexistent outside of Megaman and Zero. The same applies here.

(M7) Ultros: He may have done a little better than most expected, but he still didn't gain any credit for that. Ultros is viewed as a joke by many - then again, so was Duck Hunt. But Uncle Ulty is yet another Square entrant that just didn't convince anyone. Too bad, he was actually pretty cool.

(J5) Ghaleon: Oh man, we're never going to see the end of it. Despite the match being painfully obvious from the start, people will blame the infamous Imodium Ghaleon picture until you and I are in our 70s. Supporters of cult characters are generally sore losers, and these were no exception. That aside, Ghaleon really got a massacre, and the match was nothing more than him being exposed for the loser he truly is. Being almost doubled by Vergil, who I praised earlier on and with good reason, is totally unforgiving, and I think we may never see him again. Good riddance, too. The contest could use less jobbers, as opposed to less champions.

(J3) Lavos: Yet another Square villain who failed to deliver (how many times have I said this? I lost count), as an allegedly easy match could've turned into a fight for his life had the opposition been just a tad stronger. Falls into the same category as "Who Cares?", a 16-bit rendition of "Who Cares?" I could even say, but didn't look nearly as good. Oops.

(J7) Officer Frank Tenpenny: Barely 20% on Liquid Snake. We're talking fodder of CATS level here, folks. And that's unacceptable for someone who not only found the nominations to get into this thing, but was also featured in the latest GotY. Now, I know I'm constantly repeating myself. I gotta stop this.

(R1) Kefka Palazzo: Yet another Square-villain-that-stunk-it-up. Except we knew from past experience that he's not that strong to begin with. Now, I actually gave a lot of credit to Mithos for that result, but 64% against Mithos when you have Diablo and Bison breathing down your neck is just asking for trouble. He's going to need a big turnaround if he wants to challenge whichever of these two wins their match.

(R4) Luca Blight: No, there's nothing. He's just such an absolute ****ing loser in these contests it'd just feel wrong if I didn't put him here.
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(R5) Albert Wesker: There was a lot of upset talk about Wesker. Would he lose to Luca Blight? Would he beat Kefka? The consensus was that neither would happen, and it turned out to be correct. Seriously. Not even 60% on Luca Blight? Man, that's amazingly pathetic. As weak as Kefka is, it's not nearly enough. By the 2004 X-Sts, Wesker is projected to beat Mithos with 50.15% of the vote. And with Nemesis' performance, he doesn't look like RE's top dog anymore. Way to **** up some major hype.

(R3) Albedo Piasora: Another one we can point and laugh at. Despite being a 3-seed (maybe because of it, if you know your contest history), his chances of winning were next to none, although a few people really wanted to see him win because he was t3h awesome, apparently, so they picked him. In the famous words of the SSB announcer, FAILURE! He got doubled by Bison with absolute ease, and rotted under 30% for most of the day. Bison is stronger than we've given him credit for, but he can't possibly be THAT strong. So you can't even give Albedo the benefit of the doubt. He was just lucky there were enough atrocious performances so far that he wasn't even considered for turd of the round.

(R2) Ridley: And Metroid continues its series of spring misfortunes. Ridley got support by the bucketload in the nomination period, but when the time came for picking him and voting for him, he fell flat on his face in Kuja-like fashion. Well, at least, people still picked Kuja, and Ridley losing wasn't really unexpected, but still, the nomination period was an entirely different beast from the rest of the contest activities for these two. And with the talk that Mother Brain may actually be stronger, it's not exactly a compliment for a perennial fan-favorite.

(T8) Giygas: Okay, he's from Earthbound, nothing to do with SSBM, not even a physical shape to speak of, you lose sir, good day. Seriously, I don't want to see anything EB-related not called Ness in these contests ever again, not because I hate the game, but because they just take up room that could be used by a better entry.

Inviso: Do I even need to mention why? Pyramid Head gets massacred, and the one Nintendo character she likes gets demolished while MASTER HAND of all people wins a match. Now that's what we call "the puck not rolling for you" where I live.

Tai: Marking genuine TOS violations, I have nothing against. But fake-violation hunters are something I can't stand. Just because I got warned and many other people modded for random crap, doesn't make him any more of a winner.
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Ooh, so close.

This contest should serve as a warning to us all should we ever see Seymour or Seifer pop up into one of these things, because Kuja isn't the exception, but the rule...

Heh, I'd feel pretty confident in Seifer taking this four-pack now...
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I just deleted this so Slow's posts wouldn't be interrupted. If you read it last time, don't worry 'bout this; nothing new.


SSBM > Starcaft at its very peak > Starcraft not quite peaking > Halo, and MH had two huge games out by today whereas MC only had one. Plus, Gamecube > Xbox here and we know the hate MC catches...


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...think MH might be catching noticable anti-votes here? Not necessarily to the degree that Pikachu gets them, but maybe nearly as bad as MC does?
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52.8 % of Master Hand
& WINNING!!!
47.2 % of Kuja


too bad they didnt put Giga Bowser in here... -_-,

"Supporters of cult characters are generally sore losers, and these were no exception."

Hey, I took all my loses well, even todays. There's absolutely no need to catagorize Ghaleon fans and then turn around and rub it in their faces saying you hope to never see him again. I hope that a new Lunar game is released and that we do see him agian, in the Summer and at Kefka-ish levels. I won't go any furter than that, else you'll call me delusional, but it could happen.
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If anyone would still call anyone else delusional they are really a lost cause.

Heil Dweebenheimer!!! For I am MasterMage119!!!

That's not what I meant. I was talking about the typical whiners, know what I'm saying?
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*cough*Master Hand's feat > Diablo's feat*cough*
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"Alas, History is nothing but a lie agreed upon" - Napoleon Bonaparte.

Yeah, I understand, but being one of the biggest Supporters of ghaleon to grace this topic it's still a tad insulting, ya know.
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Master Hand as star and Kuja as turd? That's against my policy to let one match monopolize the spotlight, as surprising as it may be.
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Yeah, I see. My apologies. I'm used to wording stuff wrong, so I know I'm going to catck some flak every time I type something.
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