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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 122
From: Sir Crono | Posted: 5/13/2005 2:52:16 PM | Message Detail
Works for me. The lower Ultros is, the better.
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:00:42 PM | Message Detail
RPGuy, you're fighting a losing battle. Your points about vote totals not meaning that much are correct, but your end point about Nemesis not being much stronger than Wesker is highly dubious to say the least.

At the moment one would have to lean in the direction of Nemesis>Wesker.

And the idea that Wesker definitely >Nemesis was dubious from the beginning, as myself and I think a few others stated.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:00:57 PM | Message Detail
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:02:11 PM | Message Detail
I must say that this pic for Diablo is awful.

I was expecting something uber-badass. Not some lame cartoon.

And downtime at the peak of contest interest? Disappointing.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:03:52 PM | Message Detail
We shall tag this in hopes I will crack the top 50 by tomorrow, as Diablo/Ridley is the first of six matches I think I can lose.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:04:03 PM | Message Detail
Ruin Division: Round 1 - Match 12 – (2)Ridley vs. (7)Diablo

Moltar’s Analysis

Ridley
Game/Series Known From: Metroid Series

That huge dragon thingy from Metroid! Yeah…that thing! 2 seed!

Diablo
Game/Series Known From: Diablo series

Diablo…I heard of the game, but I didn’t know that was an actual character, interesting.

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, fanboys and fangirls, nerds and nerdettes, we are approaching the end of the Ruin division. Fasten your seatbelts, cause this is one wild finish.

The Ruin Division has already lived up to its name with some sick matches, but this one just takes the cake. This match has gotten tons of hype and discussion since the brackets came out. The 2nd seeded Ridley, takes on the dangerously under-seeded Diablo. Well, before this gets personal, I’m going to start out professional.

Ridley comes straight outta Metroid. We all know how big the Metroid Series is, expanding from the little NES, to the…equally as small GameCube. From Metroid to Metroid Prime 2, with some huge hits like Super Metroid in between. Diablo…well, if you didn’t figure it out yet, comes from the Diablo series. Now, there might only be a Diablo and Diablo 2, but they are both PC hits. And when I say PC hit, I’m talking huge sales numbers. Diablo has, without a doubt, outsold the Metroid series. Trust me on this… Ok, even if you don’t trust me, you can trust Heroic Mario. The Diablo series has sold over 13 million copies, while Metroid has sold about 3 million less. Pretty good for only 2 games… On GameFAQs, it’s pretty close. I’d give a slight edge to Metroid though, since it’s fans are a bit more vocal than the Diablo ones. Though I must admit, lately, the Diablo fans have been in full force.

Past Contest strength would easily go to Metroid. One word: Samus. Diablo has had no past representatives; Diablo is the first. Ridley is looking good due to the fact that Samus is a strong character. Ridley can’t be horribly weak then…

Anyway, now it’s time to get personal. I’m going to come out and say it right now, I am GA-…I mean, I have Ridley winning this huge controversial match. Yes, I might not be as risky as some of my Crew members, but it’s better playing it safe than to take a risk. Many people are comparing this match to Halo/Starcraft from the last Contest. Halo = Ridley, and Diablo will be this years Starcraft. The people who are saying that, in my opinion, are just using the Blizzard/Starcraft thing as an excuse to have Ridley over Diablo. All because it happened with Starcraft, doesn’t mean it will happen with Diablo.

Another excuse from the Diablo fans hoping for the upset is that because since the name of the game is Diablo, the character will win. Now come on, if somebody hasn’t played Diablo before, like me, they wouldn’t know the bad guy in the game is also named Diablo. Only the people who played it will know. It’s like saying a Metroid would do good because the name of the series is Metroid. It just doesn’t work like that. Need more proof? We didn’t see Zelda steam-rolling over her opponents when she made it in 2003. Zelda is even a bigger name than Diablo, so if that didn’t help her much, why would it do the same for Diablo?

Let’s see, what else is there. Diablo has sold more copies, but that doesn’t mean that Diablo will win it there. Heck, if that was the case, we would be seeing games like Pokemon and Mario dominate. The point I’m trying to make here is that yes, Diablo has a chance, but some of the reasons that say he is “guaranteed” a win are just asinine. Now I’ll say some things about Ridley.

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Luca vs. Wesker - Bracket: Wesker - Vote: Wesker (9/9)
From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:04:22 PM | Message Detail
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:04:36 PM | Message Detail
Ridley is from the Metroid series, as I’ve stated before. This series is more mainstream that Diablo. People have known about the series and Ridley since the NES days. When you think of big Nintendo characters, you include Samus. People know about Metroid. The people who have played Metroid, just like with Diablo, will know who Ridley is. I think the Ridley fans will speak louder than the Diablo fans in this match, but both sides will be screaming their heads off.

Also, we have already seen Mother Brain in action, and it didn’t do too bad. It put up almost 45% on Chrono Trigger’s Lavos. That’s pretty impressive to me, as I expected Lavos to win with over 60%. Of course, this could mean that Lavos wasn’t as strong as we thought, but it could also mean that Mother Brain is actually of decent strength. If it is the latter, which I am hoping, this means that Ridley is looking pretty good, but we still know nothing about Diablo…

Ok, now my final thoughts. Yes, this match is tough and important. Not only does the winner get to move on to the next round, but either villain has a chance to take this division. The brackets will be torn in this match, even if Ridley is the favorite, expect a good chunk of risk-takers here. This could not only end up costing you 1 point, but several points here. And in this kind of small bracket, every point is nessacary in order to take the prize. This match should be close, and we might even see shades of Halo/Starcraft here. Good luck with this one folks…

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Ridley will win

Moltar’s Prediction is: Ridley 51% - Diablo 49%



Ulti’s Analysis

Ripped right out of my "Why Diablo will beat Ridley" topic:

"The scary thing about Diablo is what Starcraft did last spring, and we're all quick to assume B.net spamming as the main culprit. As someone who is on B.net every day, I can tell you that no one gives a damn about some random idiot spamming. People are on that site to play the game, not to listen to your average botter (who we deal with every day; the Spring 2004 Contest was nothing new). Starcraft's main
strength came from fan sites, and there are a ton of fan sites. Personally, I don't really think B.net mattered all that much at all, and this will translate into a massive overestimation of Diablo in this match.

Of course, this bring up the fact that Diablo doesn't need much outside support to beat Ridley in the first place. Diablo 2's board has 13 pages of topics right now, and his game is named after him. Over 10 million total copies of the various Diablo titles were sold; people know who he is, both on and off this site. And given the massive casual turn that this site has taken over the past year (Halo, GTA, RE4 all being so popular), Diablo will have his fair share of support. It's safe to say that Kerrigan could easily lose to Ridley, and she would; but Diablo is a lot different.

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Luca vs. Wesker - Bracket: Wesker - Vote: Wesker (9/9)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:05:07 PM | Message Detail
Ridley isn't exactly a weakling, though. He may be cult, but this is GameFAQs; only Earthbound can be considered both Nintendo and cult around this place. For everyone who knows who Diablo is, there is someone who knows who Ridley is, regardless of the actual popularity of the two characters. Old school anything may not fly, but Ridley has appeared in Metroid Prime. The big thing working against Ridley is that one, Metroid anything loses to Diablo 2 in a direct poll. If this match turns into a franchise voting affair, Ridley could easily bite the dust early. Two, Ridley will have to rely on bracket voting far more than Diablo will. Three, Diablo's name is all over his games, and he's on the cover. In the entire Metroid series, how often does Ridley's name actually show up within the games? To my knowledge, only in Prime and Zero Mission. This means that Ridley will have to get votes based off of being recognized, because a lot of people may not even know what his name is.

Ridley already has his fans from the Metroid games. Diablo already has his fans from the Diablo games. This match will be decided by everyone else. Diablo is more mainstream, and he will have the bracket vote advantage in the match. Ridley has to hope that the casuals recognize and vote for him based off of his franchise, which is a problem Diablo clearly does not have."

Prediction: Diablo with 52.67%



Soul’s Analysis

Here we go. The most anticipated match on the card. The main event of the evening folks! In this corner, weighing in at only God knows, he's mean, he's purple, and he is here to win! HERE'S RIDLEY!

*Boos from the audience*

In this corner, we have the gruesome, the ferocious, the Lord of Terror. HERE IS DIIIIIIIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABLOOOOOO!

*Huge cheers*

Ok, ok, enough of that… for now. This match is extremely hyped on this board. In fact, it is the most hyped match in the entire contest. On one side, we have Heroic Mario's points about why Ridley will win. The other, UltimaterializerX, with his views on why Diablo will win. I have popped in and out of their topics and formed my own conclusions way before they put up theirs. The winner of this match will be, no other than Diablo. You want to know why? Here's why.

Just before I get started. I am not a Roman. I did not take Debating class in school. I did not master the form of argumentation. I'm going by the facts and my hypothesis. If you disagree, so be it.

Alright, as we all know, Diablo is from BNet. Diablo is made by Blizzard. Diablo is the only PC game character to enter the contest. Diablo is extremely underseeded. A few facts for you before I get started:

1. Diablo 2 has lasted the third longest on the top 50 FAQ pages list with 1364 days. It is currently ranked 37th. The two games that stayed on their longer are OoT (Ranked 48th, 2124 days on the chart) and FF7 (Ranked 26th, 2387 days on the chart).

2. Diablo 2's board hovers around the 20 page mark. That means that D2 has a lot of fans, and they are already at GameFAQs.

Those two points basically show that Diablo 2 is known. If you go on Battle Net, you could find thousands of people playing online, and probably even more playing single player. Of course, than there's Diablo 2: LoD, again with thousands of people on multiplayer and single player. Of course, move on to Diablo (First in the series). Than there's the under-appreciated Diablo: Hellfire. Each one of these games are still being played today.

Ah, the Gamespot polls. How I love thee. You want to know something interesting? I have never been to Gamespot. I just heard about the polls the other day. But, I heard D2 unleashed its 24 inch pythons and ran wild on you! Err, ok, I'll try to cut with the wrestling jokes…>_>

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Luca vs. Wesker - Bracket: Wesker - Vote: Wesker (9/9)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:06:08 PM | Message Detail
So, Diablo the game has proven to be a strong competitor in contests. That's all well and good, but where does that leave Diablo the character?

Listen here maggots, I'm only going to say this once and than elaborate on what I said. When you hear about Diablo the series, most people will think of Diablo the character. No, they won't think of Amazons. No, not Necromancers. Not even Sorceress', Barbarians, Druids, Paladins or Assassins. They will think of the three brothers. Lord of Destruction, Baal. Lord of Anguish (or something like that), Mephisto. Finally, the Lord of Terror himself, Diablo. Mostly, they will think of Diablo, since you know, his name is the title of the series.

Looking back at the last Spring Contest… Looking all the way to before the contest… Ulti made this speech. This wasn't any ordinary speech though. It told us all that Starcraft will, indeed, beat Halo, and he told us how. Most of us didn't believe him. You can kind of guess what happened…

Skip ahead to the present. Ulti again tells us that Diablo is going to win. Hey, he wasn't wrong before, so why now?

The casuals. Oh how I love thee. The casuals will play a major role in this match. When looking at the pictures, you will see a Demon facing a Dragon (or purple dinosaur, like I said). Everyone knows that Demons > Dragons, so Diablo will get the CPF (Cooler Picture Factor) on his side. Also, when they, being the casuals, see the name Ridley, they'll be like "meh". When they see Diablo, they'll think about the devil. And you know, the devil is really popular with today's kids. Diablo will get a lot of votes that way.

Although Ridley is from a semi-popular series, he is not the main character in the game. That belongs to Samus. Samus is the major driving force behind the Metroid series. When someone asks you "Hey, do you know who the major driving force behind the Metroid series is?" you're going to answer Samus. Will you answer Ridley? No, because you will answer Samus…

When someone asks you "Hey Yo! *Flicks toothpick* Do you know who the main driving force behind those addicting Diablo games is?" You will answer: "Yes, it's the Amazon". The guy will say: "What are you, a wise guy? It's Diablo you klutz". Err, yeah. So, Diablo is the major driving force, character wise, behind the Diablo series. Can the next Diablo game exclude Diablo and still sell? No. Same question for Ridley? Yes. Metroid already made two games without Ridley. Although MP2 failed, kind of, it wasn't because of lack of Ridley. It was because of Nintendo's bright idea to begin selling it when the next installments of HL, Halo, GTA, and MGS came out, all series that are more popular than Metroid.

After all this writing, after all this analyzing of this match, I have come down with one conclusion. Diablo is going to be a beast of a character in this contest. It's going to take a monster (or a pig from Gerudo) to take him down. A dragon might come close, but as the popular saying goes: *RKO's you!*

And I'm spent. Diablo with 51.57%.



Outback’s Analysis

Enough of this match already!

I have no real strong feelings for either character in this match. I don't play Diablo/D2 (although I plan on doing so soon), and while I love the 2D Metroids, I really don't see that much in Ridley. He's just a flying dragon. Anyway, Diablo is going to have the mainstream vote, and thus will take this.

Diablo 54.46 Ridley 45.54

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Luca vs. Wesker - Bracket: Wesker - Vote: Wesker (9/9)
From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:06:48 PM | Message Detail
Inviso’s Analysis

Well well well…here we are, at the board’s most contested match of the first round. Half the board thinks it’ll be Ridley, the most prominent villain of the Metroid series. Half of the board thinks it’ll be Diablo, the villain and cover face of the Diablo series. Could Ridley be as strong as Samus? I mean, Mother Brain showed unforeseen power in her match against Lavos. Could Diablo be the next Starcraft? I mean, Starcraft beat Halo out of NOWHERE.

Well, in order to determine this match, let’s take a look at each competitor. Ridley…is a dragon from the Metroid series. He’s been in every Metroid game except Metroid 2 and Metroid Prime 2. He also makes an appearance in Super Smash Brothers: Melee, in the opening scene where he bursts through a wall to fight Samus…not to mention being a trophy. Ridley is from a series that has made it into the contest, and proved to be strong, even in the early days, when Samus Aran beat Sonic the Hedgehog in 2002.

Diablo comes from the Diablo series, a series of only two games, yet has a high sell rate of over 11 million. Its message board has 15 pages, despite not being a game that was released in the past 2 years. That has to account for something. Diablo is the devil himself in these games, and is a force to be reckoned with. His game also comes from the same company that made Starcraft, the game that brought new meaning to the term underseeded.

Now, when you look at Gamefaqs, the main two types of fanboys you find are Nintendrones and Squareheads. Nintendo and Square can typically kick anything’s ass in a contest, ANYTHING. Ridley is from Nintendo’s current big series, Metroid, and he has a huge fanbase on Gamefaqs. Ridley is also from a game where character may not be that important, but the characters are definitely more emphasized.

Diablo…is no Starcraft. Games are usually much more popular than characters, and Diablo isn’t even from Starcraft. Diablo also has the misfortune of being a PC character, on a console strong site. I mean, this is the site that had Gordon Freeman lose to Tina Armstrong, Sam Fisher, and Max Payne. Diablo is also from a game where, like Metroid, character isn’t that important, but character isn’t exactly emphasized either. Most MMORPGs, RTS, and games like Diablo don’t exactly have decent characters that could be contest worthy. I mean, look at Kane from Command & Conquer. He was beaten by Bomberman, a character that nowadays is mere fodder.

With the strength of Mother Brain shown clearly, and the superiority of Ridley to her, I believe this match could be an easy win for the dragon. And on a final note, Diablo x Anyone lemons are nowhere near as hot as Ridley x Samus.

My Prediction: Ridley with 53.61%


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Luca vs. Wesker - Bracket: Wesker - Vote: Wesker (9/9)
From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:07:37 PM | Message Detail
Huzzah for Outback's analysis!
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:08:50 PM | Message Detail
I did it this morning in the last topic, and here I go again with an updated Albedo. Assuming Albedo keeps at 30.55% on Bison and Mega Man was adjusted properly, let's look at these:

-If Ryu = Bison, Albedo has 17.89% on Link (just under unadjusted Protoman) and 39.58% on KOS-MOS.
-If Ken 2k2 = Bison, Albedo has 16.23% on Link (just under Conker) and 35.91% on KOS-MOS.
-If Kefka = Bison, Albedo has 12.96% on Link (just over Bogard) and 28.67% on KOS-MOS.
-If Ken 2k3 = Bison, Albedo has 12.35% on Link (equals Luca) and 27.32% on KOS-MOS.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:08:53 PM | Message Detail
RPGuy, you're fighting a losing battle. Your points about vote totals not meaning that much are correct, but your end point about Nemesis not being much stronger than Wesker is highly dubious to say the least.

Why? The only reasons I can think of that justify Nemmy > Wesker are the vote totals, Nemmy's cool picture, and that it doesn't make sense for Ocelot to be that weak. Neither one of them seems like a particularly strong argument, as vote totals and pictures don't matter all that much and this contest usually doesn't make sense.
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:09:13 PM | Message Detail
I mean, Starcraft beat Halo out of NOWHERE.

Every single time, this guy makes some comment that makes me go "WTF?"
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:10:09 PM | Message Detail
Inviso's a girl, by the way.
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:10:56 PM | Message Detail
Oh and sorry Master Moltar for breaking up your posts. I've deleted my post.

Reposting it here:


Oh, and in the theme of Nemesis/Wesker and pre-contest beliefs, I also think that Mother Brain and Ridley will be much closer than many said.

A lot of people believed that Ridley would be very much stronger than Mother Brain, and I don't think that will be the case in the final standings.

But that's just my feelings.
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:14:05 PM | Message Detail
Why? The only reasons I can think of that justify Nemmy > Wesker are the vote totals, Nemmy's cool picture, and that it doesn't make sense for Ocelot to be that weak. Neither one of them seems like a particularly strong argument, as vote totals and pictures don't matter all that much and this contest usually doesn't make sense.

Because Wesker is from most reports, not a very good symbol from the series. The series diehards may love him, but seemingly, when most gamers think of RE villains they don't think of Wesker.

Plus he doesn't have a game named after him (do not dismiss this).

Plus Nemesis is a zombie. He represents the RE series as a whole. And the other RE boss villains too, one would think.

The arguments for Wesker>Nemesis, OTOH, seem to reek of fanboyism to me.
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From: Master Moltar | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:14:23 PM | Message Detail
It's alright, creative. I really didn't expect to get all 5 posts in a row anyway.

Darn important match...
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Luca vs. Wesker - Bracket: Wesker - Vote: Wesker (9/9)
From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:17:18 PM | Message Detail
And RPGuy, you are of course correct when you say that this contest often doesn't make sense. But that also applies to what many said was "sensible"--Wesker being stronger than Nemesis for sure because he's the "real" villain.
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From: swirldude | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:18:54 PM | Message Detail
TIGER WOODS UPPERCUT!
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:20:00 PM | Message Detail
Moltar, make the message to Soul that Mephisto = Lord of Hatred, and Andariel = Maiden of Anguish. Just so that he doesn't give Mephisto too much undeserved breastalicious credit again.

Interesting... EVERYTHING is split. And most people think they'll be forces to be reckoned with - 11:1 odds for Ridley and 13:1 for Diablo don't lie. If Bison (25:1) beats either, it'll be because of Bison's surprising strength, not because these two are worthless chumps. Ulti thought the latter, but if he gets away with this, it'll be of the "lucky pick" type. Hey, don't look at me, I've had that kind of picks in the past, especially with Alucard/Kirby and Mario/Sephiroth in 2003.

I think it's pretty cool that the villains from my two favorite series are going to square off, but so soon? I hate you, CJayC.
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Spring Contest 2005 - Points: 10/10 - Matches: 10/10 - Rank: 00001/24748 - Today: Bison - Tomorrow: Ridley
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:20:58 PM | Message Detail
OTOH?

*RE SPOILERS, I GUESS*

Wesker is the villain of the series. He's the main villain of 1, one of the main villains in CV, is featured in 0 and the very popular 4, and is mentioned in 2. The only game he's not in is the least popular one, 3, which happens to be the only one with Nemesis. I suppose it's possible that Nemmy could represent other villains, like the Tyrant and Mr. X, but Nemmy's face doesn't look much like the face of a zombie or a tyrant. His full body, maybe, but not just the face. Having a game named after him certainly can't hurt, and that's really the only argument I would concede.
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:22:22 PM | Message Detail
11:1 odds for Ridley and 13:1 for Diablo don't lie.

Except that those aren't odds ;)
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From: swirldude | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:25:04 PM | Message Detail
He's probably using BOP odds or whatever he does.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:26:21 PM | Message Detail
Bound to be the BOP odds...that or maybe the Guru odds.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:28:50 PM | Message Detail
And RPGuy, you are of course correct when you say that this contest often doesn't make sense. But that also applies to what many said was "sensible"--Wesker being stronger than Nemesis for sure because he's the "real" villain.

Heh, point taken. Regardless, the arguments that Ocelot will beat Wily depend on some combination of Ultros being ridiculously weak (sub-Laharl, at least, and even sub-Luca), and Nemesis being significantly stronger than Wesker. Those two assumptions are pretty far out there, if you ask me. Not impossible, of course, but pretty unlikely.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:30:28 PM | Message Detail
Ultros being that low isn't that unlikely, really. He's just a joke character.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:32:08 PM | Message Detail
He's a joke character from Square, though, a quality which seems to be enough to convince people to take a whale over Robotnik.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:33:05 PM | Message Detail
Sin =/= Joke character

A character without a personality, but not a joke. It's the same appeal Nemesis has, pretty much.
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From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:33:45 PM | Message Detail
ATTN: Slowflake

I wrote that a long while back. I must have overlooked that when reviewing it again.
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:35:28 PM | Message Detail
Unless this contest *really* doesn't make sense, Sin >> Ultros. Sin absolutely dominates the plot and character talk in Final Fantasy X.

I don't like calling Ultros a "joke" character, but he was indeed a comedy character.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:35:37 PM | Message Detail
Despite what it sounded like, I didn't mean that Sin is a joke like Ultros, just that he was Square like Ultros. I should have worded it better.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:36:32 PM | Message Detail
If Ultros can get 35% on Kefka without SFF, that'd put him at 14.77% on Link...which, strangely enough, would have him get 49.83% on Pac-Man despite Kefka gettin' 50.95% against Pac-Man in 2k3.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:36:41 PM | Message Detail
I know what he's referring to.

The problem is that each character doesn't have control over at least 49 points, so I chopped these off in the odds' calculations. It doesn't add up to 1, but it's a bit more sensical. You know that horse who won a big race recently? He had 50:1 odds, pretty much the underdog of underdogs. The closest to it last year was Mario, and you can't exactly tell me Mario's a big underdog. And if you were going by the 4^(x-1) method, CRONO was well past 50:1. With my method, 50:1 falls between Vergil and Sin. A little better now, huh?
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:37:47 PM | Message Detail
With the sheer amount of characters Final Fantasy VI's cast has, I can't imagine Ultros being anywhere close to Kefka, who's at worst 3rd or 4th.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:39:40 PM | Message Detail
I could have said the same thing about Bison before today, and I'm pretty sure I did, but that's not the case.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:41:23 PM | Message Detail
Well, there's still the possibility that Ken's 2003 number is wrong. Besides, I wouldn't put the majority of the Street Fighters ahead of Bison, only a few, unlike I would do with Ultros.

Plus, if Kefka's 2004 number is off, Ultros being that incredibly weak is not hard to see.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:51:34 PM | Message Detail
Bison's percentage continues to drop steadily. He'll be under 69% soon.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:54:40 PM | Message Detail
The after school vote should be ending almost any time now though; in all the time-zones (expect Hawaii and Alaska, I think), should should have let out by now. Albedo'll probably crack 31%, but he likely won't stay above it either.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/13/2005 3:59:58 PM | Message Detail
Just read this in my personal analysis I have saved; it's the only match I've gotten within 2% of predicting right so far, and this one was less than 1% off...yet I was still surprised yesterday that he didn't win with about 63%...

5-Wesker > 4-Luca Blight
Resident Evil series > Suikoden 2. RE4's popularity has likely given Wesker a lil' bigger push, too, so he has the momentum on his side. I'll take Wesker with 59% of the votes.


...pre-contest hype and pre-match hype are two totally different things.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/13/2005 4:05:57 PM | Message Detail
Albedo 31% 15246
M. Bison 69% 33940
TOTAL VOTES 49185

No party-hats this time.
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From: Starion | Posted: 5/13/2005 4:08:07 PM | Message Detail
I thought this match would have a higher vote total. I guess Albedo isn't much of a draw.
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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 5/13/2005 4:53:39 PM | Message Detail
The only thing I'll comment on is that RPGuy is right in the regard that vote totals do not matter.

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From: Ex2 DstylezAdvanced | Posted: 5/13/2005 5:03:05 PM | Message Detail
Well, that's what you get when half of the people who play your game completely drops it after the first 45-hr. Sorry Albedo, maybe in the Summer Contest? pffft. Not likely.
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From: Phediuk | Posted: 5/13/2005 5:05:15 PM | Message Detail
I have one last thing to say about Ridley/Diablo:

DIABLO. THE. GAME. SERIES. IS. NOT. FACING. RIDLEY.

DIABLO THE BOSS IS FACING RIDLEY.


Some people just don't seem to get it. The only real arguments I've seen in Diablo's favor are box recognition (easily countered with Duke Nukem and the fact that the game for which he appeared on the box was released in 1996), Diablo II being on the Top 50 FAQs, and comparisons to StarCraft.

This is not the game series Diablo. Remember the guy you fight at the end of the games? Maybe not? Yeah, well that's the guy who's in the match.
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From: transience | Posted: 5/13/2005 5:15:36 PM | Message Detail
if one person thinks they're voting for the game and not the character, then your logic loses. I highly doubt every person is going to go "oh, well, we're only talking about the boss."

simply put, name recognition never hurts.

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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 5/13/2005 5:17:19 PM | Message Detail
When people see Diablo they'll vote because he IS the game. You can say people won't vote for him because its the character but can you really say people won't vote for Diablo simply because they love his games?
From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/13/2005 5:19:52 PM | Message Detail
What Transience said.

That being said, Diablo is rather difficult to recognize on the original box, although it IS him. Diablo 2? A skull in a cloak. Although Diablo does wear a cloak in his human form, there's no such thing as a skull inside it (well, there IS one, but you get the point). The only times where you really see Diablo as he is known to be are during the boss fights, and the cinematic between acts 3 and 4 of Diablo 2.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/13/2005 5:21:54 PM | Message Detail
Name recognition certainly can't hurt, but if people will vote for characters because they like their games, why is Kefka so weak?
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