There's no way I'm buying that Albedo is that much weaker than Mithos. Bison's got this divison wrapped up if he keeps this %age... barring Ridley/Diablo being strangely strong. (which I'm really doubting)
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Assuming the percent stay the same, I don't see Albedo being on Ratchet's level. Either Albedo will get some ground back, or M. Bison > Ken 2k3...or I'll be wrong.
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No, I meant Sub-Zero. He's more popular than Scorpion is, IMO.

And I'm aware that Ken is lower than Scorpion. I'm also aware that in a direct match, Scorpion would get flattened, thus my opinion on where Ken and Sub-Zero would be. It's one of those things that the Xts don't explain, but you sort of know is true. Street Fighter diehards will vote anything over a Mortal Kombat character, especially one of their own.

Even if Ken is off, this is Albedo sucking, Bison isn't on the level of R/K/C/A, etc etc etc. I'm not worried about Kefka yet.

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*snickers* Now I'm thinking that it's going to be really funny if Diablo comes out tomorrow and puts up a 60/40 on Ridley (or vice versa).
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From: Lopen | Posted: 5/13/2005 1:49:20 AM | Message Detail
There's no way I'm buying that Albedo is that much weaker than Mithos.

I'd buy it. You at least hear the name "Mithos" within the first 96 hours of TOS's story.

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Well, we really can't estimate Sub-Zero's position in the stats. I would expect him to be stronger than Scorpion, but maybe he's not.
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You at least hear the name "Mithos" within the first 96 hours of TOS's story.

Though it takes that long to associate the word "Mithos" with the word "villain."
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2500 vote sample:

Albedo 27.16% 679
M. Bison 72.84% 1821
TOTAL VOTES 2500


Holy ****, Bison is going to take this division with ease.
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If Bison = Kefka and the percentage stays consistant (Albedo's got 27.09%), Albedo'll get 11.49% on Link and rank between Sly Cooper and JC Denton.
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I'm still not exactly sold on M. Bison being weaker than Akuma, either.

Unlike Akuma, he's in the first three games. I'm betting that quite a bit of Ryu's contest goodness comes from those three games.

I'd also debate Chun Li... but I don't really have an argument for that so I'll just let that one stand.
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It seems like Albedo should be higher than that, personally. Then again, from what everyone says, it takes forever before you even meet him for the first time. Who knows?
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I'm fairly positive that Chun-Li would be stronger than Bison. She'd be one of the few females who could win a match around here.
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I may be wrong, but Pac-Man > Albedo > Laharl was feeling pretty right to me.
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I'd say Bison was between 22%-27%.

I think Bison would be the safe pick in Bison vs. Kefka, though I wouldn't give him too much of an edge.
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I dunno, man. Most of this site is of the age when they started playing games during Akuma's initial splash into the series. He is huge, I assure you.

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I know Street Fighter II was at its peak in the pre-Akuma days, but since he was introduced, he's been EVERYWHERE. The casuals love him to death, the dark clone of the main character (a la Shadow the Hedgehog).
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Guys, Bison is beating up on a complete bum. This is like picking him to win the contest after watching him own Dan Hikibi or something. Kefka is still in pretty good shape.

Now if Bison takes Diablo or Ridley and pastes 65% on one of their asses, then yeah, I'll think he has the advantage. But I could live with Bison beating Kefka, because he's one of my favorite SF characters (along with Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Chin-Li, and Sagat).

GOD, I would have loved seeing Sagat in this contest.

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48 jonthomson 10 Sephiroth

TOP 50'D

Anyways, I'm hoping this is more of Albedo sucking than Bison being horribly strong.

I'm off for a weekend of poker now. I should be back just in time to witness CATS break my perfect bracket (unless I can grab access to someone's computer for 10 minutes), and gloat after Ridley's victory in a rather quite late fashion. I can see it now:

Ansem: lol tripled up
CATS: RIGGED
CATS: JOKE
CATS: JOPKE
CATS: JOPKE
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Actually my bottom for Bison there is too high. He should be at least 20% though (on 2K4 Link).

I dunno, man. Most of this site is of the age when they started playing games during Akuma's initial splash into the series. He is huge, I assure you.

New school tends to be greater than old school around here, as would seem evidenced by the strength of Division 128.

However, while I think Akuma would be a force, I don't see how anyone can be all that confident in him being stronger than Bison. (even before this match took place)
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GOD, I would have loved seeing Sagat in this contest.

I nominated Sagat last summer.
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Sagat is indeed awesome.
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Sagat would be awesome, and glad to see another Akuma fan on this board. The hate really sickens me.
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Ryu already has a dark clone... evil Ryu! Wasn't Akuma the master of Ryu and Ken?

No, Akuma's brother was their master.
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That would be Akuma's brother, Gouken.
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Cloud: As long as you exist, I can't wake from this nightmare. You are my darkness. Sephiroth: If that's so, I shall draw you into the darkness...

Akuma is their master's brother, Gouken who's also Ryu's adopted father.

That make Akuma Ryu's uncle.

Check this...if M. Bison is equal to RYU, Albedo (currently 27.28% on Bison) gets 16.28% on Link, putting him just under Conker and still above Sam Fisher.
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Ahhh, amazing how I never knew that. How many SF2 characters deserve to be in the field of 64 though? 3 would be overkill for a game that can't even beat SMRPG... maybe Ken should be subbed out in favor of Chun-Li or AKuma.

Don't see any way Bison's that high. Ryu is the only fighting game character that has the respect of the general population of GameFAQs, and for good reason.
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Albedo 27% 810
M. Bison 73% 2190
TOTAL VOTES 3000

Bam.
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Plenty of Street Fighter characters would easily finish ahead of the jobbers that have plagued these contests in the past.
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Just about all of them would. Only Scorpion and Sub-Zero could rank up there with them. There's still a sizable drop off after Ryu though.
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I know M. Bison's not on Ryu's level, but I thought it'd still be worth pointing out, especially since it's not like Ken 2k2 was miles away from Ryu. Plus, we don't know yet if this'll go the way of Ryu/KOS-MOS or SMRPG/SF2 yet.
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One case that could be made for Bison is, he gets heavy exposure regardless of who your favorite character is. Unless you use Chun Li, she's not important to the story of the game. However, the final boss will always be M. Bison (or rarely Akuma).

There's always the Hero > Villain > support rule of thumb we have too... heh heh.

I just have a gut feeling that Ryu > Ken = M. Bison > Chun Li = Akuma > Most of the original SF cast/Dan > the rest.
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Right.. I guess SF2 is like a goldmine for middle-class characters.

Bison's back over 73% again.

And I don't see Albedo getting any noticeable benefit from the day vote. We're not talking the likes of Super Mario RPG in drawing power.

Plus, I think the kiddies are terrified of Albedo.
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Ryu, Ken, Chun-Li, Akuma, Sagat, Bison, Cammy, and possibly even Vega and Balrog would perform somewhat respectably I think.

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I would place Cammy between Akuma and most of the original 12.

I really doubt the hero/villain/sidekick hierarchy matters in a fighting game. That would mean Liu Kang would be a decent competitor here.
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Well, Imma go on to sleep; comparing the 1,000-sample and 3,000-sample, Albedo gained .1%, so things aren't changin' alot right now. G-nite ya'll.
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Bison could very well finish with 76-77% of the vote.

PSYCHO CRUSHER

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I completely disagree with the notion that Akuma would be stronger than Bison. Street Fighter was at its biggest back around 1994 in its original incarnation or two, and likely gets the bulk of its GameFAQs popularity from there. (There's a reason the original Street Fighter II was the one in the Spring Contest, and not a later incarnation. Also a reason we've never seen a non-original 12 SF character in these contests.) I see absolutely no reason to view Akuma, who was absent from a big page of SF history, to be stronger than Bison.

The logic that would put Akuma above Bison is the same logic that would put Zero above Mega Man. Sure, the newer character is "cooler", but just can't claim the same level of support and recognition.

Also, given that I can't really see Albedo being as weak as the likes of Sly Cooper (while he is certainly weaker than KOS-MOS, it feels unintuitive for it to be by that magnitude to me), Bison is looking really good in this division right now. We'll see how the day vote treats him, I guess.
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I douth people just think of Street Fighter as SFII, Ken and Ryu were almost the same and yet the gap between them is huge.

Apparently, flaming fireball > flaming sho-ryu-ken

From: NeoElfboy | Posted: 5/13/2005 4:18:40 AM | Message Detail
I completely disagree with the notion that Akuma would be stronger than Bison.

But do you disagree that new school generally outnumbers old school appeal on this site?

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Oh and to add to that, I'd argue that the peak of fighting game popularity was the Sega Dreamcast.

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But do you disagree that new school generally outnumbers old school appeal on this site?

When it comes to fighting games? Absolutely. They were at their biggest a decade ago, with gamers in general. Street Fighter 2 and Mortal Kombat games penetrated the general gaming consciousness to a degree that modern fighting games can only dream of, SSB series aside.

Fighters might have reached their highest quality on the Dreamcast, but most people won't care, since GameFAQs is not, generally, a home to hardcore fighting gamers.
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Yes, there are more casual fighting game fans than hardcore ones, and the casuals adore Akuma.
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