Ah, yeah, that helped his cause a lil' too then. Regardless, I could see MGS characters getting a small advantage over GTA characters, but it's neither much nor proven right now. Possible though.....
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Mathematically, yes. However, you forgot that people with a perfect bracket are generally more skilled and less likely to miss a match.

In theory, I agree. The problem is that two of those matches are between unknown quantities, and the third involves a character that we know is quite weak, but at least has tourney experience and a seeding advantage to speak of. No matter how skilled people are, the Ruin Division is still boiling down to "educated" guesses, which plenty of people are bound to get wrong.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if there are a number of perfects that just "went with the higher seed" in at least one of those matches. For all we know, that's what some of these people have been doing all along.
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if you noted in my posts, I wrote prediction percentages of those with higher scores. I'm taking that into account.


I believe that ridley will have the bracket support.

The overwhelming majority of board voters have bison, and I feel that if bison gets bracket support overall, he'll get the victory. Either way that match goes for prediction %, it'll go for how it ends, I'm going to predict.

I think Diablo's gonna get the bracket advantage over Ridley, actually, though it's tough to say.
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The casual bracket maker looks at seeding too much. I don't think there's any way Diablo is the favorite.
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Leonhart, the Liquid/Frog match begs to differ.
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And I really wonder what makes people think Diablo is a lock for the win all of a sudden. Wesker? Definitely. Bison? Sure. But... Diablo?

I'm not hoping Ridley wins only because he's my favorite, I'm not hoping Ridley wins only because I have him in my bracket, but at least most Ridley pickers aren't so quick to count Diablo out. The reverse is quite clearly not true. And in case you forgot, the BOP pegged him as the very slight favorite. Sure, look where that got Shadow, but it's not quite as close as Shadow either.
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Hell, Ryu Hayabusa wishes that were true. Easily the board favorite AND the 3-seed in a 3/14-seed match, and Jill still had the bracket support.
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Leonhart, the Liquid/Frog match begs to differ.

Big difference between a 6 and an 11 and dealing with a 2 seed. You're hard pressed to find a 2 seed who hasn't been favored to advance to the Sweet Sixteen. Heck, I think Mega Man in 2003 was the only one without at least 50% of the brackets picking him.
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I think you guys are overestimating casuals picking based on seeds. I think if a casual only knows one character against another they'd be more likely to pick the character they've heard of. There's a much higher chance they've heard of Diablo than Ridley.

Mega Man in 2k3 had 52.18%, Leonhart...plus, in 2k2, while Crash didn't make it to the Sweet Sixteen, he only had 81.34% against ULALA before 7-seeded Sephiroth beat him in the second round with 77.02% of the brackets on his side.
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a much higher chance they've heard of Diablo than Ridley.

Samus would beg to differ with you. Honestly, the odds of you knowing her and not Ridley aren't that great.

And Crash didn't have any bracket support in 2002 because he was dealing with Sephiroth. Anyone with half a brain knew he didn't stand a chance.
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I think many are underestimating casual fans vote picks. People on here assume for the most part that all of those outside Board 8 are ignorant to what goes on and can't deduce anything, simply relying on seeding to pick their characters.

The casual voter needs to be given more credit than that. What's to say that a large majority don't come in here and simply view what is being discussed without ever posting? Nothing, to say that they don't would simply be an assumption.

I think the casual Gamefaqer is smarter than people here make him or her out to be.

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"Honestly, the odds of you knowing her and not Ridley aren't that great."

I knew Samus and not Ridley before this contest.
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"Eww! What is up with that shirt? Where's the hot looking guy again?" - a girl after seeing his[Vercetti's] pic.

I'm not expecting Diablo to beat Ridley because Ridley is weak; rather, I'm anticipating Diablo to be one of the strongest characters (relatively) in this contest.
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"There's room for only one Snake, and one big boss!" - Liquid Snake

The difference in notoriety (notice how I'm not saying popularity) stems mostly from SSB. Ridley's been in every Metroid game to date, save RoS and Echoes.
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I didn't say it was impossible. I said it wasn't likely. Ridley's in nearly every Metroid game.
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I'm not expecting Diablo to beat Ridley because Ridley is weak; rather, I'm anticipating Diablo to be one of the strongest characters (relatively) in this contest.

Agreed. His games are insanely popular everywhere, including here and they're RPGs. His name and his face is on the box of the games as well, so that only helps him more.

He has many things going for him.

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Human beings are like rabbits: they're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly and reproduce like mad.

But people that never played Metroid still know Samus because shes mentioned alot in other stuff and SSB:M. There's really no way they'll know Ridley.

Anticipating Diablo to rank 5th or so is a big trap. Notice the abyss between Gordon Freeman and his game? I'm expecting something similar for Diablo. And no Diablo game could be as strong as Starcraft in a game contest environment, fans just aren't as passionate. The spirit of the game has been slaughtered by stupid players who limit the game to killing cows and Pindleskin all day, trade mutants who go WUG in all matters of games, and stupid cheaters who couldn't slash their way out of the Blood Moor.
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Diablo fans were still fanatical enough to beat StarCraft in that Gamespy tournament awhile back though.
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"There's room for only one Snake, and one big boss!" - Liquid Snake

Notice the abyss between Gordon Freeman and his game? I'm expecting something similar for Diablo. And no Diablo game could be as strong as Starcraft in a game contest environment, fans just aren't as passionate. The spirit of the game has been slaughtered by stupid players who limit the game to killing cows and Pindleskin all day, trade mutants who go WUG in all matters of games, and stupid cheaters who couldn't slash their way out of the Blood Moor.

With GF though, his game face only appeared in special editions of Half Life boxes and in Half Life 2. The original Half Life never actually showed him. And he also didn't have his name plastered over the box to boost recognition. Diablo has these things going for him.

Also, regardless of the current state of the game of Diablo, it is still an RPG, which merits more attention here than any FPS.

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We'll see about that in a more console-oriented site. PC games are solid in game contests (I'd have really liked to see more of them), as Starcraft and Half-Life put out some awesome ****, and Doom didn't too too bad for itself. But PC characters? Nope. Gordon Freeman is the emblem of that problem. While I don't expect Diablo to be that weak, since it's the name of the game and all, I'm still thinking that trend will be perpetuated. Why was everyone saying Kerrigan would get slaughtered in a character battle, and all of a sudden Diablo comes along and he can beat Ridley?

On a side note, anyone not believing the power of the name "Snake" after today and Ocelot's match should get their brain checked. It also adds a lot of credit to Shadow's performances, and by ricochet Tidus.
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Diablo's virtually unrecognizable on the game boxes though. As is Baal, as a matter of fact. And Diablo's D1 design is quite a bit different from his current one, as well. Recognition in his actual form could very well limit itself to the post-act 3 cinematic, and the actual fight in the Chaos Sanctuary.
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how many people expected tenpenny to do so badly against liquid.
and does anyone know the site www.gigaville.com liquid might have picked a few more mgs fans from there
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I guess we'll find out soon Slow.

Just a few more days...

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Human beings are like rabbits: they're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly and reproduce like mad.

Tenpenny looking like CATS? No one. The most pessimistic scenario was something like 75-25.

And what's that site? Doesn't seem to have anything linking here...
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The spirit of the game has been slaughtered by stupid players who limit the game to killing cows and Pindleskin all day, trade mutants who go WUG in all matters of games, and stupid cheaters who couldn't slash their way out of the Blood Moor.

Ecks Frickin' Dee.

Anyhow, Ridley has more than enough power to crush Diablo than Halo ever had..and Halo STILL got 49.83% against Starcraft.

I mean, what did people base Starcraft beating Halo off of? Halo being a 1 seed because he was the only X-Box game?

Well, Ridley had Mother Brain to fight for nominations, and Ridley got a No.2 seed. Not bad.

What I don't like about this match is that people think Diablo is going to beat Ridley because of what Starcraft did. They hope for mo' mass carriers...or..more..*put big ship thingies in Diablo game here*.

I...think it's just nothing more than some ****-riding of Starcraft. Ridley is going to kick the **** out of Diablo, and all your brackets will end up victims of a sneaky trap.

Five days to go. :-)
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Well, I guess there's no point in beating a dead pterodactyl and a dead T-Rex. We'll see.

Though I won't complain if Diablo wins. If anything, it may make some people pick up the game, like I did with Starcraft.
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The highest ranked PC character in these contests has been Duke Nukem, and even he would have the fight of his life against Vyse.
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I think the lack of faith in Kerrigan was geared towards the full character battles instead of the much weaker villains tournament.

Further, Kerrigan is not present in multiplayer (outside of UMS maps anyway) in the game she stars in (although her picture is shown in the title screen for whatever that's worth), but Diablo and its sequel have a very similar single/multi player experience.

Maybe I'll get slapped in the face come this Saturday, but I'm not counting on it.
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Big ship thingies? There are no big ship thingies. The instant death comes in the form of a pack of Oblivion Knights.
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Not to mention, Duke has going for him nearly all of those things you said Diablo had going for him, except for the Duke's MIA status.
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Diablo fans were still fanatical enough to beat StarCraft in that Gamespy tournament awhile back though.

I thought this was GameFAQs. :-(
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I thought this was GameFAQs. :-(

It's relevant to this discussion because both games were relying heavily on their external fanbase.
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"There's room for only one Snake, and one big boss!" - Liquid Snake

Compare the number of people that like Duke Nukem games on Gamefaqs to people that like Diablo 2. Yeah that wasn't really a good comparison.

It's relevant to this discussion because both games were relying heavily on their external fanbase.

What? This is Diablo the villian.

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I checked the 2001 GOTY polls.

Diablo 2 won the PC one, with some stiff competition from Max Payne. No, I'm not kidding.

And in the overall poll... well, it got slaughtered. FF10 in first, followed by GTA3, SSBM, MGS2, Halo, and THEN D2 in 6th place. With 4.5% of the vote. Ouch.
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You wouldn't think anybody here cared about Half-Life if all we knew about it was how Gordon Freeman performed.

I think Duke Nukem's game would do much better than the Duke himself. For the most part, PC games place much more emphasis on gameplay, and the characters generally aren't all that important.
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Diablo fans were still fanatical enough to beat StarCraft in that Gamespy tournament awhile back though.

Isn't that the same contest that Half-Life won? That bodes poorly for Diablo doing better than Gordon Freeman.

You know, Ramirez/Tenpenny would've been a bracket destroyer if that had been set up. Hard to believe Ramirez would win that one going by the numbers.
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Yeah, you could make real good arguments on either side. The funny thing is, you could also make arguments that they're so weak that Bison could slip through. Easily the best division designed by CJayC to this day.
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I still say Division 128 was better.
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And Harrich, Tenpenny is nothing. We didn't need that poll to tell us that.

I agree.

We all knew well that Tenpenny wouldn't be much of anything. Now, I don't believe very many of us expected something like this to happen, but it wouldn't prove that Bison is going be potentially weak. The sole reason people thought he would avoid being tripled is because he was from GTA -- at least that's why I thought so -- and it turns out people really couldn't care less for him. Like creative said, if anything Bison looks fine and it would make Master Hand look good.

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Didn't expect this out of Liquid. Maybe the Frog/Liquid/MC fourpack last year was legit after all.

Two more matches until we get a really interesting fourpack...

And I am looking forward to Albedo vs. Bison, if only because there's slight upset potential and we get to see just how it compares to Ryu vs. KOS-MOS.
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Wesker versus Kefka isn't interesting?

.....Even if it isn't a four pack?

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Kefka/Wesker has the potential to be interesting, though their respective first round matches do not.
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Well, Ridley had Mother Brain to fight for nominations, and Ridley got a No.2 seed. Not bad.

Fight my ass.... NOTHING stopped you from nominating both. There was NO fighting for nominations in this contest.

I'm under the impression that both characters are being overrated. Relatively, I think Diablo can muster enough to beat Ridley. But by no means do I think he will be a powerhouse, even in THIS contest.
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Ridley kinda reminds me of Luigi in 2k3. People looked at the seeding, saw that it was freaking LUIGI and expected him to be a powerhouse that could potentially upset Samus. Ummm, oops.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Ridley fan. But I'm also a Luigi fan... <_<
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It still baffles me to think Luigi's that weak. It just doesn't make sense.
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