This is pushing it, but there are a number of villains on the "Got Villains?" banner that have won or are guaranteed to win. I find that rather funny. =p

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Only Robotnik is somewhat questionable.

Would Lavos being relatively strong help out Sin?
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Would Lavos being relatively strong help out Sin?

Er... No.

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Lavos = Diablo, if you please. Having not played Diablo 2 intensively, here's what I understand: outside of potential outside help (which Diablo doesn't seem to be getting thus far, but time will tell), Diablo is to his two games as Lavos is to CT...and CT is much bigger here than either Diablo game. It's also had three characters to make the Sweet Sixteen and has beaten characters like Solid Snake, Ganondorf, Master Chief, and Mario. I see nothing unreasonable about saying Lavos >or= Diablo, though it probably would be close.
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Sir Crono:
Would Lavos being relatively strong help out Sin?

There's certainly a parallel between them.


Harrich:
I see nothing unreasonable about saying Lavos >or= Diablo, though it probably would be close.

I highly doubt this...I think we can safely say that Diablo > Lavos, even if Chrono Trigger >> Diablo.
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Well, Lavos is in Chrono Cross for what it is worth. And before ever seeing the two perform, I would take Lavos to beat Diablo. I might change my tune later on, but that's what I would do at this moment. I'm not expecting Diablo to be very strong at all -- Ridley getting 59% on him.

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This is pushing it, but there are a number of villains on the "Got Villains?" banner that have won or are guaranteed to win. I find that rather funny. =p

I noticed that the day it came up, but leave it to Robotnik to keep m from saying anything 'bout it.
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I think we can safely say that Diablo > Lavos,

I don't see how you it could be agreed upon that Diablo would beat Lavos. Even with my previous post, it was just a personal prediction more than anything. But there isn't anything to suggest that Diablo would be stronger than Lavos.

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Lavos is in CC? Care to spoil me on how much he's in it and/or a comparison to his role in CT?
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Can we agree that Ridley would beat Mother Brain worse (barring SFF) than Diablo would beat Lavos then, for the Diablo>Lavos'ers?
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It should be noted that I'm still running through Chrono Cross (loving the game, I might add), but from what I've been exposed to through visiting various boards and discussions, he appears about halfway through CC. I don't know the specifics, but he's there in a fairly large way.

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*spoilers*


Lavos only appears at a screen and as the last boss.

Lavos has a big effect on the storyline, but he's rarely mentioned by name and barely seen.
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Okay then...well, I'll hold back from adding much CC-effect in my Lavos talks until I know more, but he's got two games on his side too, two that span different consoles. We also don't know how far Crono's yearly gain extends down the pecking order; Lavos may go up with him, however much it is (though we don't know where he would have been originally, so this means little). Again, close, but I think it'd still be safe to say Lavos >or= Diablo for now.

For D>L'ers though, I think we can agree Ridley'd beat Mother Brain as bad or worse than Diablo would beat Lavos. So, we can still compare and expect a closer match from the Ridley/Diablo match than what we get from tomorrow's match (unless Mother Brain actually won somehow), but we all know this.
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*MAJOR CHRONO CROSS SPOILERS*
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Lavos is only barely in Chrono Cross. the story is confusing as all get-out, but basically, Lavos knew he was going to be defeated and created FATE as a sort of back-up system to keep him alive in case he should ever get defeated. it kind of takes some deduction to figure out that is Lavos. i believe the name "Lavos" is only actually mentioned 2 or 3 times at the very end of the game, when the connection between Lavos and everything else is finally explained. technically the final boss is a fusion between Lavos and another character and the fusion is referred to as the Time Devourer.

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so, yes, Lavos is technically involved in Chrono Cross, but not that deeply and you don't really realize it's involved until the very end. i believe Chrono Cross will have very little if any impact on his popularity.

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Okay, after reading all that, I'll agree with cyko there. It'll help, but CT's gonna be where he gets most/all his votes from surely.
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I don't see how you it could be agreed upon that Diablo would beat Lavos. Even with my previous post, it was just a personal prediction more than anything. But there isn't anything to suggest that Diablo would be stronger than Lavos.

*Sighs*

Okay, lets go over the facts, people:

-Diablo 2 has been on the Top 50 FAQ List longer than any game since its release, with the exception of Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy VII.

-Daily, Diablo 2 gets more activity on Battle.net than Brood War does. Dabu proved that

-Check out the Topics list on the Diablo 2 Message Board. Its almost as big as this board is.

I believe all the above points at least suggest that Diablo could level with Lavos, if not beat him flat out.

In short, i'd take Diablo over Lavos rather confidently. I just really think Diablo is more overrated than people think.
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Excuse my last post, I said overrated when I was thinking of how overrated I believe Ridley was. Conversely, I believe Diablo to be rather underrated. Pardon my mistake.
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No. Incorrect. Completely incorrect.

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*SLIGHTLY LESS MAJOR CC SPOILERS*



Lavos is actually mentioned when you visit "2300 (2400?) AD" in the Dead Sea, if you're willing to look for it. In one of the buildings before you enter Chronopolis proper, there's a screen that displays much of the same information that Crono, Lucca, and Marle see in the "real" 2300 AD in Chrono Trigger. However, it goes dead halfway through the presentations. I *think* Young!Lucca mentions something about Lavos when you're about to fight Miguel, too, but it might just be allusions to him.


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Either way, Lavos' role in CC is even more minor than Crono and co.
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Jenova Division: Round 1 - Match 7 – (3)Lavos vs. (6)Mother Brain

Moltar’s Analysis

Lavos
Game/Series Known From: Chrono Trigger

Another CT character, Lavos, makes his way into a GameFAQs Contest

Mother Brain
Game/Series Known From: Metroid series

Mother Brian is the 1st of 2 Metroid villains to make their appearance in the Contest.

Hmm, not as hard to predict as some other Round 1 matches, but it does take some thought.

Chrono Trigger vs Metroid…interesting, but we all know who the winner there is. CT placed 2nd in the Best Game Ever, whereas Metroid and Metroid Prime weren’t as high. We’ve also seen Crono, Magus and Frog in past Contests, and we all know how well they have done. Lavos can easily follow in their footsteps. In Mother Brain’s corner, we have Samus to look at. Not much, but a Crono vs. Samus match would be very interesting. However, I’m giving the nod here to Lavos’s crew. 3 stronger characters to look at > 1.

So, Lavos wins easily. Well, he might have more trouble in the real match, but I’m pretty convinced Lavos will be the winner of this match. All Mother Brain can do here is cry back to Father Brain.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Lavos will win

Moltar’s Prediction is: Lavos 62% - Mother Brain 38%



Ulti’s Analysis

This is one of those matches between two characters from popular games, yet the people who play the games could likely care less about the characters. This match will likely come down to whose game is more
popular, and to that end, Chrono Trigger could wipe the floor with any of the games Mother Brain has appeared in. Lavos also plays a far more important role in Chrono Trigger than Mother Brain plays in Super Metroid. Mother Brain is little more than a nameless blob you fight at the end of a couple of the games, whereas Lavos is all over the place in Chrono Trigger. It may not be a landslide, but Lavos should still win rather easily.

Prediction: Lavos with 57.35%



Soul’s Analysis

I don’t like matches like this. I have not played any game from any series that these two are featured in. I heard a lot about both, but I have no clue where each one would rank up. This is my pick that will kill me I bet. I’m going with Lavos because he is seeded higher and CT > Metroid.

Prediction: Lavos over Brain with 58.78%

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Outback’s Analysis

About ****ing time

That makes 2 for 7 in matches where I know both characters! Kick ass!

I really, really wish Mother Brain could win here. I really do. As most of you know, Lavos comes from Chrono Trigger, a game hailed on this board as one of the best ever and Spc2k4's runner up. Seriously, somebody tell me why. I tried to play Chrono Trigger and to get into it. I really did. Nothing managed to grip me. After I reached Zeal my save file got deleted and I never started again. The characters were uninspiring, the battles were boring, and the story was uninteresting. If I had to use one word to describe Chrono Trigger, it would be SLOW

Mother Brain comes from the Metroid series, a series that dates all the way back to the NES. Action at its finest, whether or not you prefer 2D side-scrollers or 3D First Person Adventures. Mother Brain is in Metroid and Super Metroid, two of the greatest games in the series.

By now I'm sure you know my opinion on this match, but I'll be realistic. Lavos and CT is just too much for Mother Brain.

Lavos 57.44 Mother Brain 42.56



Inviso’s Analysis

Well…two foddery bosses that’ll fall to a much stronger enemy next round. Sounds like the Vergil/Ghaleon match, only this time, it’s two old school bosses. Yay. Both bosses are basically going to be obscure, and I predict a very low vote total. Lavos is an unknown in his game, and Mother Brain is a rather pathetic looking final boss, that seems like a rather pathetic excuse from what I’ve seen and heard.

Anyway, Mother Brain is more recognizable, maybe, but Lavos does come from the game that placed second in the last spring contest. It’s going to come down to a simple matter of who is more able to appeal to the crowds. Judging by their “Meet the Villains” pictures, they’re both up **** creek without a paddle. This match really could go either way, so when in doubt, go with the high seed.

My prediction: Lavos with 53.24%

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-Diablo 2 has been on the Top 50 FAQ List longer than any game since its release, with the exception of Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy VII.

Which is certainly a feat, but, Chrono Trigger would still beat it.

-Daily, Diablo 2 gets more activity on Battle.net than Brood War does. Dabu proved that

It's been mentioned that the fansites help more than b.net itself. I can buy that, though I'm not so sure how much more helpful it'd be...but the fansites haven't shown much/any noticed support yet. Either way, I think Diablo 2 players play longer at a time than Starcraft players, so they'd probably have a lil' less impact anyways, individually...

...now, I hear Diablo 2 fans are some mean cheaters, but before that is even brought up by someone, CJay'll just dispell the cheat-votes.

-Check out the Topics list on the Diablo 2 Message Board. Its almost as big as this board is.

May I guide you to the GTA:SA board? That won't help Officer Tenpenny, and if Vercetti is a sign of anything, that doesn't do wonders for anybody.
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-Diablo 2 has been on the Top 50 FAQ List longer than any game since its release, with the exception of Ocarina of Time and Final Fantasy VII.

This matters how? FAQ listings have never been a way to prove one way or the other that a game/character would perform well in a contest format. And at that, that focuses around Diablo II; that is NOT Diablo. People act as though Diablo II is a very solid representation of Diablo. While we're at it, Chrono Trigger would beat both Diablo and Diablo II and it doesn't appear on the Top 50 FAQs.

-Daily, Diablo 2 gets more activity on Battle.net than Brood War does. Dabu proved that

I don't see how that matters, personally. I think the advertising on different websites did more for StarCraft than battle.NET did.

-Check out the Topics list on the Diablo 2 Message Board. Its almost as big as this board is.

And the second part of where that doesn't matter. This seems to be half of your -- and many others -- argument. Yet I've never seen where any of this has been something to suddenly consider as something that could easily turn the tides in a match. Pokemon has large FAQ listings and message board activity and you didn't see it beating Xenogears.

I believe all the above points at least suggest that Diablo could level with Lavos, if not beat him flat out.

None of that suggests anything. The best part of what you posted was that Diablo II has large activity on battle.NET. I fail to see how the other points matter when Chrono Trigger, a board with less activity and not on the top 50 FAQ listings, would utterly kill any Diablo game. There is little, at this moment, to suggest that Diablo would be a clear favorite or winner in a matchup against Lavos. We may learn differently after this contest, but right now I don't see how it could possibly viewed that way. I'm fully expecting Diablo to be weak as hell, despite how strong his game may end up being.

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If anything, I would give Diablo the benefit of the doubt head-to-head, not Lavos. I'd have to see that people even CARE about Lavos before I'd say he could beat Diablo.
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Plus, I don't think any PC characters have fared well yet (is Duke Nukem the strongest mainly-PC character we've had?), and people will advertise much more for the games themselves than the actual characters in many cases.
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Again, regardless of the performance of PC characters in the past, please show me that people give a crap about a porcupine before telling me Lavos > Diablo would be the "obvious" choice.
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Is there more to Diablo than what there is to Lavos? I understand Diablo's mentioned through-out the game much like Lavos, and that he's the final boss. Do people care for Diablo any more than just for stats-improving and gold (I assume) once they get so strong?
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Diablo would be more comparable to Nemesis, I would think. He's the type of character the casuals would like.

Lavos is just...there.
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Like Nemesis? Hmm...interesting. For now, I'll take back the "safe to say" comment for the opposition it's getting, though I'd still take Lavos over Diablo.

Let me ask this then...something I've mentioned for the third time in the past few minutes: can we agree Ridley would beat Mother Brain as bad or worse than Diablo would beat Lavos, at least? The L>D-believers automatically agree with this ('less they think MB>Ridley for whatever reason), and that'd still allow fair comparing in the Lavos/MB match if it's true.
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Well, I think the main problem about assuming Lavos > Diablo is that you seem to be assuming that people will care about it just because they love Chrono Trigger. Lavos would probably get the vote of CT fans against somebody they don't know or somebody they hate, but...I mean, there's just no appeal to vote for it otherwise.

Then again, you think Master Hand could give Ness a run for his money for whatever the reason, so whatever.
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Hm. Tomorrow's pic up.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/spr05/b07.jpg

Interesting. CJayC didn't use the shell for Lavos.
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Well, Lavos looks exactly like Imperfect Cell.

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Oh, Diablo's got more appeal than Lavos, for sure. The very fact that he says "Not even death can save you from me" when he spawns gives him more appeal than Lavos to the fans. No, I'm not joking. (he has other factors too... but that wasn't exactly my point)

I now realize why Mother Brain is the underdog in this match. It's not because of Chrono Trigger, it's not because of Metroid, it's because of bracket voters. If Mother Brain was the three seed I'd be a lot more confident right now...

In a match where no one cares for either character, bracket voting is going to be quite the force. I'm scared now... :(
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Why couldn't he use final battle Mother Brain?
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Heh, that's the primary reason I'm voting for Lavos.

Speaking of bracket advantage, prediction for how many had Vergil winning? I'm actually going to shoot high and say 65.18%.
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The people have spoken...

The fans have demanded it...

The kiddies have tried to stop it...protesting to Ceej with a bogus petition...

No it is not a re-release of Total Recall on NES...it is...

Steve Illumina Speaks

You know it, noobs! It is the irreverent column that mocks the contest that geeky gamers live breathe and talk in the school cafeterias about for weeks. It can be fav games...it can be fav characters...or villains...or heroes...or joke bosses...or box art. It dont much matter...nerds will flock to it like fat kids to Whoppers. Now, lets get a move on, shall we!

Continuing with the Rufus 'Jenova' Division...

(3)Lavos vs (6)Mother Brain
AKA Lame-os vs Big Mama Cerebra

Steve's Pick: Lavos
Newbie Pick: Brain
Kiddie Pick: Brain
Non Gamer Pick: Chilled Monkey Brains

Comments: We continue this tourney with another Metroid flop...that being the expected defeat of the Brain...

When it comes to brain bosses...there have been many over the years. They are most common in shooters such as Gradius Galaxies. But two other brains stand out over the years as truly exceptional cerebellums. They are 2 brains that could have beaten the plain boring endboss known as Lavos...

1. Contra III: Alien Wars Final Boss (SNES) Still the cream of the Contra series, and one of the finest shooters ever...it ends with, in my opinion, the best brain boss ever made. It is actually tough to beat for starters...and it looks like a brain, acts like a brain, hell it even squishes like a brain. It does all the things a brain should do...and more.

2. Mother Brain boss in Chrono Trigger. Yep thats right...your beloved Chrono Trigger has a Mother Brain boss. How could you all forget that...instead voting for this do-nothing brain from Metroid? Sure the CT boss is not an actual brain, but instead a kickass set of computer screens, ala the classic Super Computer boss in Metal Gear 1, but it is CT...your hallowed game...the game only FFVII is more holy than...Shame on you noobs!

So yep, the boring Lavos will win because of CT loyalty. Enough said. Now if it were Ozzie or Yakra XIII taking the brain on...it would be an 80-20 blowout. Here we will get 55-45...

And that is all I have to say for today. Tune in tomorrow for Liquid Snake vs Officer Tenpenny...a bracket breaker if there was one here in Round 1. Meanwhile the Sage of Board 8 will keep racking up the points and adding to his PERFECT score! :)

Quotes: Lavos: "I am the Entity...and I need a brain...all I got is a Core..." M Brain: Bluuubbbb...bluubbbb...blubbbb
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Hot damn, this pic's a stinker. MB's gettin' my vote tomorrow, sorry HM.

Vergil should get, say, about 67% of the brackets on his side.
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The picture's actually better than I thought it would be. It would've been way too crowded if Ceej had used the shell.
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HM, did I read that right? You think Ridley is going to beat Diablo with 59%? Uuuh... I think this may actually be more eccentric than your Sigma with 70% or Mega Man to win it all, because when Diablo reverses that score, you are going to feel very sheepish... Baaa.

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I played alot of CT, but I never got THAT far to see Lavos as that (I think; I certainly don't remember it if I did), so obviously I'm not as fond of that one as I am of the shell-look.
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I freakin' love Lavos's picture. <3

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I don't see any reason to believe Ridley/Diablos won't be close, unless Ridley manages to show some decent strength and Diablo goes the way of the rest of the PC characters.
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Tomorrow is an excellent oppurtunity to see if a DBZ factor exists.

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That form of Lavos is the next-to-last boss, so you'd pretty much had to have beaten the game to recognize it.
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I've beaten the game and I don't even remember it.

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You beat the game, yet don't recognize it?

What, were you getting a hand job when you were fighting the second to last boss? I HATE Chrono Trigger, but even I recognize it as Lavos.