http://img20.echo.cx/img20/4762/vergilghaleon8ej.jpg

An acceptable Vergil vs Ghaleon picture.
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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 5/7/2005 1:23:23 PM | Message Detail
There was no reason for Snake to even fall at all, considering Twin Snakes was released between SC2K3 and SC2K4. I really wonder what happened to him.

Things that can't be explained by the Xsts, which causes nervous breakdowns to some of the people in this topic. Maybe it was the lower vote totals, bracket voting, or the fact that people don't go into each match and vote as if they're transitive robots.

In Snake's match against Knuckles, most of the board was beyond pissed off that he was against Knuckles in the second round for the third year in a row, and voted for Knuckles out of spite.

In his match against Frog, did you see his picture? Good god, what a joke. There was also a massive Frog effort behind the scenes, as anyone on AIM that night with an open buddy list may attest to.

As for Mega Man, I'd blame bracket voting. When you have lower vote totals and more people thinking they have a chance to win the contest, they're more apt to vote for what their bracket says. And given that the faith in Mega Man has gone up with each year, an extra percent or two on Snake may be explainable in that manner.

Or maybe it's the fact that GameFAQs isn't exactly a stealth shooter type of site, and the only game Snake had between Metal Gear Solid 2 and the 2004 contest was Twin Snakes; Twin Snakes sold 200,000 copies, if I recall. When you're on a site that doesn't exactly give overwhelming support to your genre, lack of good exposure can be killer.

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Okay, that's a good pic. Now hack in and replace Ceej's other pic with that one and we're good.
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Actually, an unadjusted Zero would have about a 5% decrease from his 2003 value.
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http://img20.echo.cx/img20/4762/vergilghaleon8ej.jpg

....no offense, but Ghaleon still looks like crap.

Is that honestly the way he's supposed to look? >_>

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Zero not that high? So you think his performance against Sonic wasn't legit???
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That puts Isaac in between Tails and Bomberman.

I believe that makes MC/Felix alot more realistic now, assuming this is true.
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I think people are just bored with today's match and feel like arguing numbers for no reason, to tell you the truth.

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Again, we can just assume that Zero was pretty consistent, but that he actually was SFF'd by Mega Man a little, contrary to our original thinking.
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Ah, junk. I forgot the 2003 stats don't have Tails's true value. Either way, Isaac's just above 2003 Bomberman.

Felix still whips Isaac 60/40, even if that is true.
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Let's just say I don't believe in absolute transitivity.

Well, Flix should win, just that they shouldn't be so greatly sepperated as they were.
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Sephiroth can very well get 90% by the end of the day.

No, he will not even come close.

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I understood Felix is the heavy favorite over Isaac anyways before their matches ever went down, so 60/40 doesn't surprise me all that much even before SFF. Hmm.....
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Interestingly enough, Mega Man becomes slightly weaker than Sonic, if 2004 is his true strength.

Oh, and what does that do for Zelda? That puts her right below "adjusted" Knuckles.
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There was no reason for Snake to even fall at all, considering Twin Snakes was released between SC2K3 and SC2K4. I really wonder what happened to him.

TTS shouldn't have anything positive for him and it is completely possible that he could have fallen. Given that Ocelot was suppose to do so well due to MGS3, I doubt that will even do anything for him either since he wasn't actually present within the game.

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http://img20.echo.cx/img20/4762/vergilghaleon8ej.jpg
http://img135.echo.cx/img135/6121/vergilghaleon27ht.jpg

I'm going to send these to Ceej in blind hope that he'll change the picture before tomorrow.
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Oh, and what does that do for Zelda? That puts her right below "adjusted" Knuckles.

That'd be a big big hurt for Diablo if Zelda really is that low. If this theory is true about 2k4 being MM's true strength, this would throw out the potential "SFF" LoZ characters may get on Mega Man, right?
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Also, it'd explain Lara Croft's fall alot more. Man, this just keeps gettin' interestin'.....
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If this theory is true about 2k4 being MM's true strength,

We're talking about his position in the unadjusted X-sts, correct?

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....What are those buttons on Vergil's jacket?
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

And hey, for the opposition I gotta tell, I'm not saying MM didn't get a little SFF from Link... but If I said that outrigth in the begining I wouldn't have done a good job of startgin a debate, right?

"Also, it'd explain Lara Croft's fall alot more. Man, this just keeps gettin' interestin'....."

Yes, yes it does.

"We're talking about his position in the unadjusted X-sts, correct?"

Yes
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

Well, let's see what this does for Lara...

That puts her at about 19% on 2K3 Link, still well above her 2004 value.
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Yeah, I know MC gained. Didn't Kefka also gain a little too?

Still, I think those were the only two. The rest suffered drops. Now I know that's not impossible, but I just can't accept that Link doubling Mega wasn't anything other than some sort of freak accident match.

Hell, I still have a hard time accepting that Cloud destroyed Sonic. It's probably just me.

I also think Tidus under-performed against Mega Man, Zero reverse-SFFed Mega, Kefka's match against Knuckles WAS Kefka's true strength, Knuckles showed his strength against Snake, and Snake's performance on Mega was right. Then you throw and Link's owning of MM and that just throws everything off for me.

Maybe I'm just weird like that...
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Sephiroth vs Ramirez - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Ramirez (4/4)

I still have a hard time accepting that Cloud destroyed Sonic. It's probably just me.

Sonic pretty much backed it up in 2004. He would do a little better, but not much.
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....What are those buttons on Vergil's jacket?

Ceej ripped that pic from a calendar...and you cn't edit over that and make it look hawt.
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Sephiroth vs Ramirez - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Ramirez (4/4)

Just wondering, if we were to go by Seph's 2k4 value agianst 2k3 Cloud what would that put Mega Man at, exactly?
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It would be a 61.8/38.2 victory for Sephiroth, slightly better than what he actually did.
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That's not what I meant, I meant what would MM's % be if we adjusted Sephiroth down to his 2k4 number in the 2k3 bracket.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

Who would you guys choose in Ramirez/Pyramid Head?

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Well, I thought you wanted to assume that Mega Man's 2004 value was also true. In that case...

Sephiroth wins with 58.55% of the vote.
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Hmmmm, this is the first time I've really thought about there being only two people capable of beating Seph, and the one who beat him in the past two contests is the one that happens to be in the same game as him. No wonder Sephy is so inconsistent. <_<
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Ramirez would beat Pyramid Head, easily. It's close to the same percentage in each match, and look at the difference in strength between the two competitors.

Oh, and if it makes you feel any better, HM, currently Ramirez > Laharl.
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32.92% is what I'm coming up with on my own.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

Ramirez would beat Pyramid Head, easily. It's close to the same percentage in each match, and look at the difference in strength between the two competitors.

Well, yeah, if you look at who they've gone against already and what not it would probably be that way. I don't know why I felt the need to ask that, something just seemed to me that PH might be capable of not being as weak as where he would place.... I don't know nevermind.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Ramirez would beat PH pretty damn good. No question.
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Mega Man's 2K3 value = 38.60% on 2K3 Link
Sephiroth's 2K4 value = 46.56% on 2K3 Link

(38.6/46.56) * 50 = 41.45% for Mega Man
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I don't know why I felt the need to ask that, something just seemed to me that PH might be capable of not being as weak as where he would place.... I don't know nevermind.

For what it's worth, I'd likely still take PH over Guybrush.
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No, I'm trying to figure out what % MM gets on 2k3 Link if we assume Sephiroth over performed as I said. And, oddly enough, unless I've messed up the math (which I have had a habit of doing in the past) he gets about half a % more than he did in 2k4.

Oh, and I'd take Ramirez over PH without a thought, even without today's match.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

Heck, Ramirez's percentage is actually BETTER against a far stronger opponent. He would wallop Pyramid Head.
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I'd take Ramirez with ease.

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Yeah, forget I mentioned it. I just had this little idea, but I suppose it's best not to even discuss it.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

I'm trying to figure out what % MM gets on 2k3 Link if we assume Sephiroth over performed as I said. And, oddly enough, unless I've messed up the math (which I have had a habit of doing in the past) he gets about half a % more than he did in 2k4.

Mega Man's 32.39% on 2K4 Link is nearly equal with adjusted Ganondorf. That would translate to 34.72% on 2003 Link.
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No need not to discuss it. Anything goes here, really, even if people constantly disagree with what I say I keep saying it. Eventually a thing or two that I push hard for sticks (SMSF, heh). Though in this case, we do know Ramirez would deliver a beating, it may not be like we think, so dispense with your insights.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

No need not to discuss it. Anything goes here, really, even if people constantly disagree with what I say I keep saying it. Eventually a thing or two that I push hard for sticks (SMSF, heh). Though in this case, we do know Ramirez would deliver a beating, it may not be like we think, so dispense with your insights.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

Heck, if the proportion between Sephiroth and Bowser from 2004 holds true, Ramirez would double Pyramid Head.

And as said before, Ramirez > Laharl, too.
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You're confusing the hell out of me, man. All I want to know is 2k3 Link <- 2k4 Seph <- MM

I'm thinking that I would first take the % of MM vs Seph 2k3, multiply that by Seph's expected % against Link (in this case the 42.4 from 2k4) and then divide by our good friend 50. Right?
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

No need not to discuss it.

I'd get those delusional comments for saying what popped into my head. I started off with Ramirez/Pyramid Head to see what people would do and how much they would expect him to get. But now that everyone is secure on Ramirez beating down PH, the rest of what I had to bring up really isn't that necessary. It deals with Bowser being a lot stronger than he is now, so yeah, I'll refrain from getting nailed with the bias comment and/or the delusional stuff. >.>

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It's going to happen, anyway.

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What? Bowser being significantly stronger? BIAS! DELUSIONAL, I SAY!

Seriously though, I suggested that maybe Bowser would get a little help from TTYD, but probably nothing spectacular.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
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Was there any doubt on Ramirez being stronger than PH? PH has shown to be slightly weaker than Guybrush, and as weak as SoA is in general... there's weak and then there's weak, to paraphrase a French expression.
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Spring Contest 2005 - Points: 04/04 - Matches: 04/04 - Rank: 00001/24748 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Vergil