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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 116
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:13:45 PM | Message Detail
Well well well, I just checked that site that's supposed to be linkin' on the front page...and I don't see a link there supporting Dr. Wily. Take that into consideration; should Dr. Wily get the link against Revolver, that may be the deciding factor.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:20:37 PM | Message Detail
I would expect Dr. Wily/Ultros to have less votes than Ocelot/Nemesis. It having less votes really wouldn't affect how I would feel about a Ocelot/Wily meeting in the second round.

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:30:27 PM | Message Detail
At this same time, Wily only has about 3000 more votes than Ocelot did, despite nearly a 10% advantage in his match.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:39:18 PM | Message Detail
However, Wily has been doing a very good job of building his percentage along with his lead. The only time he was higher than this was during the first two minutes (a.k.a. during the erratic board vote).
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:41:28 PM | Message Detail
Heh, off-topic, but I passed Geography 101; I BOMBED my last test and my final in that class, hard, and I was already in danger of gettin' a D...then I see this online:

Final Grade - 315/450
Total Points - 638/912

FG divides into 0.7 and TP divides into about .6995. So, I barely pulled a C out of my ass and keep from making my first college D. Hell yes.


As a side-note, I was right in Wily pushing for the doubling...but not right enough to count; he's only gained about 2.5% or so through-out the day, when I had about 3.5% in mind.
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From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:43:01 PM | Message Detail
I'm guaranteed to fail my US 1 class this semester, but at least I can skip the final and get a free day off. I have no chance of passing the class, anyway.

~*ST*~
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From: cyko | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:44:13 PM | Message Detail
*yawn*

well, at least tomorrow's match has no bearing on anything. Spring Contest naptime.

*falls asleep*

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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:45:39 PM | Message Detail
I felt the same way as you did about my Visual Arts class. I struggled with that course all semester and was certain I'd get a C at best. Then I aced my final and managed a B+ somehow.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:47:36 PM | Message Detail
well, at least tomorrow's match has no bearing on anything. Spring Contest naptime.

Not true! We get to find out Ramirez's relationship to Vyse as far as the hero/villain hierarchy is concerned.

...Yeah, I'll go to my room now.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:47:41 PM | Message Detail
I'm guaranteed to fail my US 1 class this semester, but at least I can skip the final and get a free day off. I have no chance of passing the class, anyway.

I really don't wanna take that class, though I probably got it coming up sooner or later; I'll have to check my requirements on that. One of my friends was in your same situation about Algebraic Reasoning, and did the same thing too. I woulda too though.....
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From: Kaxon | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:51:12 PM | Message Detail
So, I got around to redesigning my Extrapolated Standings Calculator. I've redone the GUI and the input, just not the actual math stuff yet. Here's a screenshot of the GUI with all the data read in:
http://img178.echo.cx/img178/8066/xs3qy.jpg


RPGuy, please tell me you didn't actually write all that code in Notepad. =)

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Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:51:18 PM | Message Detail
I struggled with that course all semester and was certain I'd get a C at best. Then I aced my final and managed a B+ somehow.

Sounds like my Public Speaking class, except I haven't gotten my grade for certain yet...lookin' like a B+ though.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:56:05 PM | Message Detail
Notepad > everything. I usually use emacs (I don't have the courage to tackle vi), but my connection to my college's Solaris machines was being blargful, so notepad it is! It's working now, but I'm almost done, anyway. I need to write a readme and figure out how to statically compile Java code, and then I need somebody to host it...*stares at creativename*
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 6:56:06 PM | Message Detail
...and now http://planet-megaman.com/ shows the link to the site again, though it's a small link that's not at the top anymore and puts more emphasis on the Sigma/Andross match. I think that's my computer's fault more than the site's (that the link wasn't showing, unless it was happening to anyone else), but I doubt Dr. Wily's gettin' half the votes Sigma got, no matter how many Sigma got. Should Dr. Wily get link-treatment like Sigma got, again, that may be the difference against Revolver.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily
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From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:03:33 PM | Message Detail
Wily just keeps building up the lead, it's up to 17000 votes now. Percentages mean nothing, it's always the vote totals you want.
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Contest Stats: 3/3 Next Winner: Dr. Wily
From: Kaxon | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:08:25 PM | Message Detail
You know you can download Emacs for Windows, right? I <3 Emacs. I used to do my development over an ssh connection, and I don't recommend that approach.
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SC2k4 Oracle ranking: 4th
Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:10:51 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, I know, but I've been too lazy to set it up. I use ssh and usually don't have any problems with it. I'll probably get emacs for windows over the summer, when I lose my fast ssh connection.
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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:20:56 PM | Message Detail
Be glad you didn't have my schedule of finals and my requirements. This semester, I had Calculus I with a stupid Modular system that's causing me to get a B despite the easy final, Chemistry 1306 (which I may make an A in, depending on whether or not the professor curves the grades), General Biology (I'll be extremely lucky to make a B, considering the tests were on the worst days possible, such as my birthday, the exact time UTEP played in the NCAA, and one each on the last two days of class), and English Lit. since 1800 (easy A). Add in the stipulation that I'm a pre-pharmacy major, which means I have to get a 3.2 in all math and science classes and a 3.0 overall to even be considered for a pharmacy college. The average GPA for UT's pharmacy school happens to be about 3.5 or so. After last semester, I had a 3.6, but it will fall this semester.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:23:57 PM | Message Detail
*has around a 2.64 GPA after this semester*

...wow. That's why I'm aiming more for teaching with some acting on the side instead of pharmacy.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily
"What awaits each person in Heaven is eternal peace, divine rest, and $10,000 cash." --Cartman
From: creativename | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:26:41 PM | Message Detail
I need somebody to host it...*stares at creativename*

Yup :)

Percentages mean nothing, it's always the vote totals you want.

<sigh> It's amazing how widespread false beliefs can be.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:26:44 PM | Message Detail
*has a 4.0 GPA through two quarters of college*
*spent 5 hours programming for fun in notepad on a Friday night*
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From: Tediz247 | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:29:47 PM | Message Detail
My real fun begins next year. Organic Chem I and II, Organismal Biology, Genetics, Physics, and Microbiology. Looks like I'll be spending a lot less time on Board 8 and gaming.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:31:01 PM | Message Detail
Percentages mean nothing, it's always the vote totals you want.

For the most part, our vote totals are goin' to stay close enough to where this will only matter so much. Obviously, vote totals are important, but I see little problem with comparing percentages
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:32:14 PM | Message Detail
Yeah; kiss your free time good-bye for afew months with a schedule like that. Of course, should you do well, that'll pay off very nicely.....
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily
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From: Yesmar | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:35:18 PM | Message Detail
Hmm. The contest has been interesting so far.

I don't have much else to say other than I'm starting to get worried about Wily Vs. Ocelot.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:54:55 PM | Message Detail
Hehe. I flunked one course as expected, but it wasn't the one I expected. Oh well, the rest of my grades were solid.

So far, if Ocelot wants to beat Wily, he needs Ultros to be unable to get more than 39.78% on Nemesis. And considering I'd never, ever want to pick between the two, with a small inkling for Ultros if anything... according to my original estimates of these two, Wily will smack Ocelot all over the place next round.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 7:57:40 PM | Message Detail
Well, I'd take Nemesis over Ultros. Whoever wins next round, it certainly won't be by a whole lot.
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From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:02:09 PM | Message Detail
Before the contest, I wouldn't have taken Nemesis over Ultros...but, now I likely would in a 58/42 match.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily
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From: creativename | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:02:51 PM | Message Detail
I think Nemesis would be significantly stronger than Ultros. Wily vs. Ocelot is very much up in the air; there's not much to believe in either over the other, IMO.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:05:02 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, I think we all underestimated Nemesis coming into this contest.
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From: Slowflake | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:08:20 PM | Message Detail
Tomorrow I'll whip up a few more numbers and projections. Honestly though, in my opinion, Wily just has to run through the door that slammed open right before him. He only needs to do 5 percentage points better than Nemesis and he's got it. 5 percentage points, people. No matter how underestimated Nemesis was, Wily just HAS to be stronger by some amount.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:12:01 PM | Message Detail
Of course Wily's stronger, but it doesn't necessarily mean it'll be by a whole lot.

As I've said before, I think recency can play a part in character strength. While Wily is a big part of the Mega Man series, he's been out of action (other than some GBA appearances) for a long time now.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:12:41 PM | Message Detail
I would trade schedules with any of you gentleman in a heartbeat, give the 26 hour load I have been carrying all semester. Between International Taxation, Partnership Taxation, Business Law, Public Sector Economics and the CPA Review, it is a wonder I have even had time to have a social life. But tomorrow at 10am, my collegiate career comes to an end, and then I embarck upon the real world... sniff sniff.

Yeah, I would be willing to take Nemesis over Ultros at 60/40, but mostly because I think the whole 'name in the title of your game' is a not-statistically-insignificant factor. This may play out just like SMB3/LoZ from last Spring, after SMB3 had a less-than-stellar victory over FF1, followed by LoZ pimp-slapping Tetris. At least I hope it ends up just like that... =/

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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:14:01 PM | Message Detail
Wily should have had a benefit of appearing in Mega Man Anniversary Collection, which sold more than most recent Mega Man titles.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”
From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:15:15 PM | Message Detail
Which still sold pretyy crappy.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:15:43 PM | Message Detail
Over 700,000 in America isn't what I would call crappy.

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From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:16:35 PM | Message Detail
On all three consoles? That's what I would call mediocre at best.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:17:14 PM | Message Detail
If you think that is bad, you've been spoiled by things like Halo 2 and Grand Theft Auto.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”
From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:18:21 PM | Message Detail
Nah, just over a million would be okay. That's pretty weak sales.
From: HaRRicH | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:19:44 PM | Message Detail
Wily should have had a benefit of appearing in Mega Man Anniversary Collection, which sold more than most recent Mega Man titles.

Much like Mega Man did; barely. Since the summer contest, I'm sure it's sold more copies (and it's been released on the Xbox since then too), but I doubt it helped Dr. Wily any more than it helped Mega Man when it first came out.
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From: XxSoulxX | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:20:13 PM | Message Detail
Why are you guys comparing Ultros with Sin?

Ultros is from FF6. The only other character from that game, Kefka, has proven that he is no powerhouse in this contest. An even lesser villain should do even worse then Kefka.

Sin, on the other hand, has two other characters who consistently make the contest. Tidus and Auron, although not elite, can make the sweet sixteen if given the right circumstances. Wouldn't Sin be closer to these two then of Ultros?
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:20:33 PM | Message Detail
If you think that is bad, you've been spoiled by things like Halo 2 and Grand Theft Auto.

And yet you wouldn't disagree if we said Echoes had poor sales.
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From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:27:58 PM | Message Detail
And yet you wouldn't disagree if we said Echoes had poor sales.

Compared to what we have seen from previous Metroid titles, the establishment of the franchise, and everything else, it was a disappointment. No one was asking for a multi-million seller, but not even coming close to the previous Metroid is rather disappointing. That is really where it comes from. Nintendo put more marketing and advertising and it still sold less than it's predecessor. MMAC sold more than almost every Mega Man title released in recent memory as far as America is concerned. And given that sales of the series rarely, if ever, break a million it is quite the accomplishment for it to do so. Besides, the whole reason I brought it up was because you said that Wily had been in a game in a long time. I think it's better than he be in the collection over a whole new game that would probably sell less.

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From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:28:16 PM | Message Detail
Yeah. the game's been around for almost a year, yet only sold 700000 copies on all three consoles, for a video game icon Mega's not showing he's all that popular.
From: SonicRaptor | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:29:18 PM | Message Detail
For the most part, our vote totals are goin' to stay close enough to where this will only matter so much. Obviously, vote totals are important, but I see little problem with comparing percentages

I should rephrase that; both are good, but vote totals should be taken over percentages.
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Contest Stats: 3/3 Next Winner: Dr. Wily
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:29:45 PM | Message Detail
but I doubt it helped Dr. Wily any more than it helped Mega Man when it first came out.

I'm not saying it helped Dr. Wily in large ways. I was merely saying that Wily did have a recent game released with him in it and it probably is better than appearing in an all-new Mega Man title. Mega Man games don't exactly fly off the shelves. There have been only five or so out of the entire series to sell over a million copies worldwide.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”
From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:31:29 PM | Message Detail
Only 3 Mega Man games sold over a million.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:32:04 PM | Message Detail
There were a couple of Battle Network games to do so.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”
From: Heroic Dr Wily | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:35:06 PM | Message Detail
Unless MMBN5 flew off the shelves in Japan then no.
From: Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted: 5/6/2005 8:37:52 PM | Message Detail
MMBN4 sold 930,000 copies in Japan and 250,000 in America. Bingo, over a million.

MMBN3 sold 700,000 in Japan and 500,000 in America. Bingo, over a million.

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