Where did you expect Ocelot to be? Not in comparision to Nemesis, but overall.
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Revolver Ocelot 54.65% 40987
Nemesis 45.35% 34013
TOTAL VOTES 75000

Heh, it's not going to surpass Bowser-Pyramid Head, most likely, but it's still a heck of a lot better than yesterday.

And I say this is a sign of Nemesis's strength more than Ocelot's weakness. He's almost got as many votes in a loss as Sigma had in a win.
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I was hoping he'd be above Liquid's level just to throw a monkey wrench into the contest, but I expected him to be around Dante's level. Maybe a little lower.

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On the note of Lavos/Mother Brain, I'm expecting it to have the lowest vote total of the contest. Unless it is really close.
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Hmm. Now you've got me wondering what the lowest vote total will be.

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Actually, I think Ansem-CATS or Luca-Wesker will be the lowest.
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If you think Lavos > Kefka you need to have your head examined.

Why is that?

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Ghaleon/Vergil, no doubt in my mind.
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Or it could mean that SFF isn't very prevalent among Mega Man characters.

This idea doesn't make any sense if you think about what SFF actually means. The reason extrapolated standings work at all is that we can treat the popularity of characters as independent variables. Preferring Link over Cloud doesn't inherently affect how you feel about Sonic, thus we can (roughly) assume that proportionality holds. SFF just means that those variables (preference for character A and preference for character B) are not independent. The fact that in some cases (Mega Man vs Zero) the proportions may be the same as you'd expect if they were independent doesn't make them independent. And it definitely doesn't say anything about what the preferences for any other character (Protoman) are.
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Because it means you're either whacked up in the head or you're horribly biased.
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Yeah, I was about to say Ansem-CATS. Ansem seriously has a chance at Strider's record for being the dumbest winner ever.

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Oooh... Ansem-CATS is a tempting pick. It's probably the right one, too. I'll still stick with my original prediction, though. Book it.
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Because it means you're either whacked up in the head or you're horribly biased.

Yet putting him at Bomberman's level makes a Kefka/Lavos match rather unpredictable.

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No, he doesn't. Ansem would need to have a close one with CATS in order to break Strider's record. DARKNESS will break 70%.
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I said that was the absolute ceiling. I doubt Lavos would actually get there. It's because it would put him so close to Kefka that I don't think it could be any higher.
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Before today's match happened, I would have suspected Ocelot to be around Yoshi's value.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

And that same poll says that Sonic is the FOURTH least favorite character in the series. And ROUGE is the LEAST least favorite? Just because Robotnik isn't the FAVORITE Sonic character doesn't mean that Sonic fans won't support him over Sin. This isn't about how strong a character Robotnik is; it's whether or not he can beat Sin. That's it. And personally I don't see people rallying around Sin.

A difference between Wily and Robotnik is that Robotnik is far more prominent in his series. He's the boss of nearly EVERY stage in a Sonic game and has even been a playable character. Sonic Adventure 2 is easily the most popular of the 3D Sonics, if that amounts to anything. He also has been prominent in 3 Sonic cartoon series. And don't bring up how recognizability doesn't equal strength (i.e. DK), it's not like Robotnik is up against a powerhouse. He's up against Sin. I think he has more than enough going for him to get past the likes of Sin. It's already apparent by the multiple Square characters we have had that Square voters don't necessarily rally for all of their characters (Yuna, Ramza). Why would they do it for Sin? The Sonic fanbase is strong enough to get Robotnik through that match. Kuja, on the other hand, is another story....
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I just started playing FFVI again and having a blast like any other time I played it. I forgot how good of a villian Kefka was. If Square was smart they remake this game for the PS3.
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Vote for Robotnik, he isnt a woman or a giant slug or a .... hand.

It's already apparent by the multiple Square characters we have had that Square voters don't necessarily rally for all of their characters (Yuna, Ramza).

You forgot Kefka.
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Today's subliminal thought is:
Contest Stats: 2/2 Next Winner: Ocelot

If you think Ocelot = Dante, you think that Nemesis = Vercetti, which is absurd.
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I said that was the absolute ceiling. I doubt Lavos would actually get there.

There's certainly nothing that would prevent him from gathering around 35% of the vote against Liquid. But now I see that you did say that as the ceiling.

I forgot how good of a villian Kefka was.

Bleh. I never cared for Kefka. I did not see what was special or great about him at all.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Well, if Lavos destroys Mother Brain AND manages to rack in a good number of votes, then maybe we can start worrying about Sin.
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Bleh. I never cared for Samus. I did not see what was special or great about her at all.

</pre-Echoes Heroic Mario>
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Bowser, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

If you think Ocelot = Dante, you think that Nemesis = Vercetti, which is absurd.

I'm not sure who you're referring to here, either Ulti or myself. The only reason I suspect it could be me is because Yoshi's value is very close to Dante's value. But I said that is where I would has expected Ocelot to be before today's match transpired. His position, in my eyes, has obviously changed.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

The fact that you hate Kefka. I mean I like Sephiroth and all but he just wasnt a good villian. I never really hated him, I felt bad for him. A good villian is one who you feel satisfied you killed. Hector Lemans is the perfect example of this.
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Vote for Robotnik, he isnt a woman or a giant slug or a .... hand.

And he said the same about Tidus before he finished FFX, which I told him to do before passing judgment.

You really ought to listen to me more often, HM. I'm a pretty sharp fella.
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I was referring to Ulti. I would have guessed Ocelot to be around Luigi before today, and I thought I was underestimating him. Clearly, that's not the case, and I'd have a very hard time choosing between Ocelot and Kefka now.
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Bleh. I never cared for Samus. I did not see what was special or great about her at all.

The difference being that I have played Kefka's only game and I was unimpressed with his character. There were far better within his own game; hell, even for his time period there was far better.

The fact that you hate Kefka. I mean I like Sephiroth and all but he just wasnt a good villian.

I don't like Sephiroth either, while we're at it.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

I like to know who was better for his time peroid, HM. And if you name a big porcupine...
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Vote for Robotnik, he isnt a woman or a giant slug or a .... hand.

I'd have a very hard time choosing between Ocelot and Kefka now.

Same.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

The fact that you hate Kefka. I mean I like Sephiroth and all but he just wasnt a good villian. I never really hated him, I felt bad for him. A good villian is one who you feel satisfied you killed. Hector Lemans is the perfect example of this.

I really think villains that you completely and utterly HATE for what they do are underrated. Percy in Green Mile I wanted to slap, for example.
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Today's subliminal thought is:
Contest Stats: 2/2 Next Winner: Ocelot

I like to know who was better for his time peroid, HM. And if you name a big porcupine...

The big porcupine is one and I'm completely capable of laying down the law on how kick ass Lavos was. The other would be Ghaleon, who came before Kefka.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Well, if Lavos destroys Mother Brain AND manages to rack in a good number of votes, then maybe we can start worrying about Sin.

Lavos vs. Mother Brain will tell us nothing, as MB is also just another big blob.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Not literally...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I should've expected this from HM... after all he loves Crono too.

Generic hero and generic villain! Whoo!
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It's already apparent by the multiple Square characters we have had that Square voters don't necessarily rally for all of their characters (Yuna, Ramza).

You forgot Kefka.

No, I didn't forget Kefka. I think Kefka had done okay given what he's working with. It's obvious that it's PURELY the Squaresoft fanbase that got Kefka where he is. With his pics, no casual gamer would vote for him, which is why Pac Man was able to keep up with him. And seeing that makes me believe that is the ceiling for strictly Squaresoft support. There's no way that Sin will get even CLOSE to the support that Kefka gets, even from Square fans. Not to mention that most of the non-hardcore Square vote would be going to Robotnik....
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Lavos is like a giant asteroid. You know you got to blow it up to save your world, but you dont despite the asteroid because what's an asteroid to do?
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(CT Spoilers)




Without going deep into specifics, Lavos was more than just an "asteroid." He's single-handedly responsible for the evolution and development of human(s) for millions of years. All of what he did was in an attempt to favor him and his children in the future. He collected the genes of many and was also solely responsible for the fall of the Reptites and/or Zeal. Lavos is rather interesting to take a look into and he's far more than people give him credit for, which remains unfortunate.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

And after playing Radical Dreamers for the first time in like... years, I've suddenly had a greater interest in completing Chrono Cross. Serge and Lynx are two characters I have my eye on to look into in the future. Serge, in particular, was exceptionally good at telling the story -- which takes place shortly after 1000 AD (Chrono Trigger) in the Keystone T-1 timeline.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

I dont like anything about Chrono Cross.

I dont like the characters (ANY of them), I dont like the gameplay, and I ESPECIALLY dont like what it did to the Chrono Trigger timeline.
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I can understand how this loosely helps out Wesker, but really, to say that this ends the 5%, if that, chance Luca had to win, I definitely do not follow. Resident Evil 3 is not named RE3: Wesker. I think this may be an indication of what strength can be derived from having your name in the game you come from. Not saying Nemesis is at 46.5% solely because he is the namesake of RE3, but I think it is silly to think that some of those votes aren't from associating RE: Nemesis with this villain. This is something that a Metroid would benefit from, and if I am not mistaken, something a certain demon will benefit from in a little over a week.

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Is there an English version of Radical Dreamers? I despised Chrono Cross, but if Radical Dreamers is different it might be worth a try.
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SC2k4 Oracle ranking: 4th
Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.

Is there an English version of Radical Dreamers? I despised Chrono Cross, but if Radical Dreamers is different it might be worth a try.

Yep. A group completed it sometime ago. You should check out Chrono Continuum for further information.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Alright, Wily. I need 59 from you or I have to give up my sig to maybe the worst character ever. I believe in you.
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Mwahahaha... and you will give it to the worst char...

HEY!
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Serge > Crono
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59% on Uncle Ulty? Me thinks you are going to be yet another delicious morsel... don't touch the octopus, kids!

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Additionally, I would not be surprised in the least to see Ultros jump out to the first hour or so lead, a la Kefka on Knuckles (at least I think he had the lead for a bit...).

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From: MegatokyoEd | Posted: 5/5/2005 11:31:10 PM | Message Detail
If Ultros wins tommorow I'm gonna laugh my ass off at that final prediction.

You don't need to wait that long.

If Wily gets 87% on Ultros, you can consider this contest over. I highly doubt even Link could manage that.


Harrich:
A true fluke is Mario/Cloud or MC/Felix

There's no evidence for the latter either. Obviously MC should easily beat Felix now, with Halo 2 and Golden Sun no longer talked about, but I don't see any reason to doubt Felix's strength was medium at the time they faced each other. Don't forget that Felix was many people's upset special long before the match.


LeonHart:
Final Fantasy V is my least favorite in the series, too, from the ones I've played. It's not that I don't like it, but I just don't feel it's as good as the rest.

Still, "Battle with Gilgamesh" owns your soul.

I echo pretty much all of this. I nominated Gilgamesh, BTW.


Harrich:
Oh, and if cyko's theory about that poll is true, then I think CJay made an exception for Diablo so the suspense would build up more.

I think it's best to not analyze Ceej's poll-option-picking. He's not as into this as we are. I doubt there was any organized system that he used to select the entrants for that poll.

Which makes me ask this; would anybody take Wesker over Revolver right now?

Like I said in the last topic, I'm wondering if maybe this stuff about Wesker definitely being stronger than Nemesis is accurate.


Lopen:
Generic hero and generic villain! Whoo!

No way that Lavos could be described as "generic". He's a pretty unique villain.


Heroic Viktor:
I can understand how this loosely helps out Wesker, but really, to say that this ends the 5%, if that, chance Luca had to win, I definitely do not follow. Resident Evil 3 is not named RE3: Wesker. I think this may be an indication of what strength can be derived from having your name in the game you come from. Not saying Nemesis is at 46.5% solely because he is the namesake of RE3, but I think it is silly to think that some of those votes aren't from associating RE: Nemesis with this villain. This is something that a Metroid would benefit from, and if I am not mistaken, something a certain demon will benefit from in a little over a week.

Agreed.
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Yeah, Lavos is far from "generic." Perhaps "static" is the word you were looking for, as he has no character development to speak of.
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