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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 114
From: Tai
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:01:44 PM | Message Detail
I'm pretty sure that Sigma doing poorly = Robotnik bombing is
referring to the fact that both Sin and Andross are animals, which I
find highly offensive, not to mention racist.
Roffle my waffle, plz.
Anyways, I think Sonic would win. It would be narrowly close, but I think Sonic could pull it off. I don't see Megaman getting 42% on Samus.
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Roffle my waffle, plz.
Anyways, I think Sonic would win. It would be narrowly close, but I think Sonic could pull it off. I don't see Megaman getting 42% on Samus.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:03:10 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and that's not racism as much as specism, unless Andross is an African American robotic monkey.....
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From: Heroic Dr Wily
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:03:13 PM | Message Detail
They're from the same goddamned series.
Except that Zero's series takes place 100 years later and X is dead.
Except that Zero's series takes place 100 years later and X is dead.
From: therealmnm
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:03:59 PM | Message Detail
Ummmmm, Zero has every right to be as popular as he is no matter WHO he
faces. It's not like he was portrayed to be a sidekick or anything. He
was made particularly to be more badassed and likeable than Mega Man.
So of course if anyone were to resist being SFF in his series, it would
be Zero. Has nothing at all to do with Mega Man. Not to mention how
long Zero has been around....
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:04:57 PM | Message Detail
Sadly, in due time, Shadow may become SFF-resistant to Sonic.
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From: Dranze
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:05:00 PM | Message Detail
My point is that there was still obvious SFF in the match, yet Mega Man couldn't dominate someone from his own series
I don't see how that match counts as any evidence of anything at all but Zero having his own fanbase towards Megaman. Raping in a SFF match doesn't show strength of just about any character, neither is coming close to a SFF match.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.
I don't see how that match counts as any evidence of anything at all but Zero having his own fanbase towards Megaman. Raping in a SFF match doesn't show strength of just about any character, neither is coming close to a SFF match.
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Shut up, make me a sandwich. That is all.
From: Lucid Faia
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:05:38 PM | Message Detail
For the record, I think Robotnik is more popular than Tails.
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From: NeoMonk
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:05:46 PM | Message Detail
didnt know this contest was back dang so soon already
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:06:27 PM | Message Detail
Stop comparing matches with Zero then if that's so controversial; use
Tidus, or compare their matches with Link and Cloud. Your choice.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:07:26 PM | Message Detail
For the record, I think Robotnik is more popular than Tails.
Me too, but barely; I'm confident he'll be nearby Tails, but I dunno if he'll be above or below him.
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Me too, but barely; I'm confident he'll be nearby Tails, but I dunno if he'll be above or below him.
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From: BeTheMan
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:08:06 PM | Message Detail
...We're debating Sonic vs. Mega Man? Talk about regression.
Anyway, as far as the opening matches for Wily and Robotnik, I think that Robotnik's in for a much tougher fight. I mean...
Wily: Taking on an octopus that was a recurring boss fight in an FF title for the SNES.
Robotnik: Taking on a whale-thing that was the primary villain from an FF title for the PS2.
I don't see why the "Wily hasn't been in a game for a decade" point should be a factor at all in the Ultros match, because Ultros hasn't shown up for an awful long time either. Besides, would it be wise to ignore the release of the anniversary collection?
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Anyway, as far as the opening matches for Wily and Robotnik, I think that Robotnik's in for a much tougher fight. I mean...
Wily: Taking on an octopus that was a recurring boss fight in an FF title for the SNES.
Robotnik: Taking on a whale-thing that was the primary villain from an FF title for the PS2.
I don't see why the "Wily hasn't been in a game for a decade" point should be a factor at all in the Ultros match, because Ultros hasn't shown up for an awful long time either. Besides, would it be wise to ignore the release of the anniversary collection?
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From: UltimaterializerX
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:09:55 PM | Message Detail
From: BeTheMan | Posted: 5/4/2005 4:08:06 PM | Message Detail
...We're debating Sonic vs. Mega Man? Talk about regression.
It's more Deus showing the standard anti-Mega Man bias than anything else. Picking Sonic over Mega Man is little more than flushing points away, which is pretty evident by the Link/MM and Cloud/Sonic comparisons.
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...We're debating Sonic vs. Mega Man? Talk about regression.
It's more Deus showing the standard anti-Mega Man bias than anything else. Picking Sonic over Mega Man is little more than flushing points away, which is pretty evident by the Link/MM and Cloud/Sonic comparisons.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:11:13 PM | Message Detail
As if MM:AC helped the first time, heh; the Xbox release of it won't help Dr. Wily either, sadly enough.
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From: Lucid Faia
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:11:29 PM | Message Detail
What I'm trying to say is that Wily bombing (if it happens) means
nothing, because he and Robotnik are completely different. Another
reason that you just brought up is that Robotnik's competition is more
serious than Wily's.
By the way, just like Tails would beat Protoman, Robotnik would beat Wily.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:11:57 PM | Message Detail
You want "NO SFF", look at Mega Man vs. Link.
You could look at this, too.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1362
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1362
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:14:02 PM | Message Detail
And unlike Cloud/Sonic, there's a chance of Mega Man under-performing
against Link. Even if nothing happened there though, he still outdoes
Sonic in that.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:14:11 PM | Message Detail
In the last hour, Sigma has lost .6%. It might not be long before he dips under 53%.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:17:08 PM | Message Detail
Oh, and if Wily happens to be stronger than Sigma, you people can stop
with comparing villains in proportion to their games, which I thought
was ridiculous to begin with.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:19:11 PM | Message Detail
We don't know how strong the Mega Man games are though; we know the
eras' strength, but even then, that may not be entirely reliable since
it's one of those favorites-polls that gets detested alot.....
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:20:22 PM | Message Detail
And yet people have used that same kind of poll for ranking the Final Fantasy games.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:22:13 PM | Message Detail
Yep; I probably should have used my sarcasm a lil' more strongly in my post.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:23:16 PM | Message Detail
We've seen the character polls backfire. That Final Fantasy poll held
up pretty well in determining at least the order of the FF games.
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From: thok
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:29:18 PM | Message Detail
Why do people keep saying Wily hasn't been in a game since the 90's? He's the main villain in Battle Network 1 and 3!
I think the anti-Wily crowd just doesn't realize how important Wily is to the Megaman series. He built Zero, and he created the Maverick/Sigma virus. Wily is much stronger than Sigma.
I think the anti-Wily crowd just doesn't realize how important Wily is to the Megaman series. He built Zero, and he created the Maverick/Sigma virus. Wily is much stronger than Sigma.
From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:29:19 PM | Message Detail
At 13:25, this poll has 37000 votes.
To compare, Bowser-Pyramid Head had 42858 at the same time. Heck, Bowser by himself almost had more votes than this poll.
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To compare, Bowser-Pyramid Head had 42858 at the same time. Heck, Bowser by himself almost had more votes than this poll.
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From: Heroic Viktor
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:32:04 PM | Message Detail
That's a lot of arguing in such a little time frame. Anyways, I
personally would take Mega Man over Sonic, just because it is really
hard to ignore the data (all pointing towards an MM victory). I also
think that we severely overestimated Sigma, because there is no reason
Andross should be anything above fodder. I think this result will give
us indication on Dr. Wily, and only from one's assessment of Robotnik
in relation to Wily can one garner how this poll affects Robotnik's
potential strength.
And since I think Wily and Robotnik would be fairly similar, I am sadly thinking that Sin may have a chance at the mad doctor.
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And since I think Wily and Robotnik would be fairly similar, I am sadly thinking that Sin may have a chance at the mad doctor.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:32:09 PM | Message Detail
For now, Andross has taken a break from coming back/not getting blown
out. He's lingered around 46.35% for a lil' bit now, I think.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:37:56 PM | Message Detail
And, ahem, nevermind; Andross is back at it almost as soon as I posted that.
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From: Heroic_Cable
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:39:32 PM | Message Detail
Why do people keep saying Wily hasn't been in a game since the 90's? He's the main villain in Battle Network 1 and 3!
Except that's a different person, you might as well say Ryu from Street Fighter is the same one as Ryu from Breath of Fire.
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Except that's a different person, you might as well say Ryu from Street Fighter is the same one as Ryu from Breath of Fire.
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From: RPGuy96
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:41:19 PM | Message Detail
I would think Robotnik would be a touch weaker than Tails, and Sin
would be significantly weaker than Yuna. Robotnik isn't going to have
any trouble in his first match, and neither will Wily. I love Ultros,
but he's a joke, nothing more.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:41:41 PM | Message Detail
Heh, Andross has cut off .1% in the last ten minutes.
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From: Heroic Viktor
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:43:49 PM | Message Detail
I knew 58% was too high for the oracle... damnit I need to stop playing
it safe and just go with my gut! Crazies like HM preaching about 70%
give me just an inkling of doubt to curb my numbers in that direction.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:48:15 PM | Message Detail
I'm losing confidence that HM's even gonna show his face today other than the one post he made this morning, heh.
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From: Heroic Viktor
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:51:00 PM | Message Detail
Not that I blame him... I mean, if I was off by what is approaching
17%, when working with a number that can only be between 50 and 95, I
would probably go on a one week bender, just in time to come back and
be wrong about Diablo/Ridley =)
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:51:02 PM | Message Detail
Looks like the "after school" vote is over. Sigma's starting to gain again.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:55:40 PM | Message Detail
Not so fast; Andross is still goin' in the percentages. I know they're
not the votes themselves, but it's easier to keep as eye on and Sigma
ain't gaining much ground until he makes those percentages go down some.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:56:54 PM | Message Detail
Well, he's still slowly increasing his lead, which has yet to break 2800.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:58:50 PM | Message Detail
Also, unless Sigma gets some big boost from the night vote, this match
is going to rank as one of the top 25 closest matches in contest
history, either at 24 (if the lead stays below 3000) or 25.
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From: the lord of bmx
| Posted: 5/4/2005 1:59:10 PM | Message Detail
Tag.
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From: NewLib
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:03:10 PM | Message Detail
I want Sin to face Master Hand just so I can say its the wang vs his condoms.
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Vote for Robotnik, he isnt a woman or a giant slug or a .... hand.
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From: SlangEdter41
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:03:55 PM | Message Detail
I have no doubt Wily is stronger than Sigma though... the first time I
saw sigma he was this generic looking soldier controlling even more
generic looking robot...
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From: Shadowdude II
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:04:45 PM | Message Detail
Your tag will be lost in two hours, when Sigma blows his lead wide open.
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From: FastFalcon05
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:06:03 PM | Message Detail
"But it's Vincent, he should cream the likes of Yoshi regardless of seed, so don't feel bad if soemthing liek that happens."
grrr....Yoshi's not afraid of him.
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grrr....Yoshi's not afraid of him.
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From: NewLib
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:06:23 PM | Message Detail
Lets put it this way: I am a huge Mega Man fan. I had to actually think
about who Sigma was when I saw his name until I finnaly remembered him.
I knew Wily right off the bat.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:08:46 PM | Message Detail
All right...Tomorrow is Ocelot vs. Nemesis. What is everyone expecting out of that one tomorrow?
I'm going to risk overshooting here (just because it's Ocelot) and say 70/30, at least.
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I'm going to risk overshooting here (just because it's Ocelot) and say 70/30, at least.
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From: Tediz247
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:08:59 PM | Message Detail
If you don't know who Sigma is right off the bat, you aren't a huge Mega Man fan.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:09:05 PM | Message Detail
I got a question now: after this match, would anybody take Falco over Sigma?
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From: NewLib
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:10:01 PM | Message Detail
I think people are overestimating Ocelot. He was always a 2nd-tier enemy in MGS.
Ill go 62-38 and I think Im being a bit generous.
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Ill go 62-38 and I think Im being a bit generous.
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From: HaRRicH
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:10:19 PM | Message Detail
I'm predicting a doubling with Ocelot/Nemesis, but I don't know how much more Ocelot would get than that...I'm gonna say 68-32.
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From: AmazingKirby
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:11:21 PM | Message Detail
Sigma broke the 2800 barrier for the first time.
Ocelot, a second-tier enemy? Are you kiddin' me? Besides, it's very obvious that MGS >>>> Resident Evil. Revolver might get some SFF on Nemesis, too.
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Ocelot, a second-tier enemy? Are you kiddin' me? Besides, it's very obvious that MGS >>>> Resident Evil. Revolver might get some SFF on Nemesis, too.
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From: NewLib
| Posted: 5/4/2005 2:11:41 PM | Message Detail
Tediz, Mega Man is my third favorite series. However, I will have to
say that Im not as found of the X Series. Like I said, I knew who he
was I just had to think about. People unfamiliar with MMX are going to
have no clue at all.
As for Falco and Sigma, I take Falco in a heartbeat.
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As for Falco and Sigma, I take Falco in a heartbeat.
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Vote for Robotnik, he isnt a woman or a giant slug or a .... hand.