...why does this match mean Dr. Robotnik will fail? What relation does he have to Sigma or Andross?
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Considering Andross is little more than the hardly-seen boss of a much smaller series than the SSB/M series, I wasn't sure if the same correlation could be made here.
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I would now say Ultros has a decent shot at upsetting Wily, and I would be very happy to see that happen (FFVI is IMO the Best. Game. Ever.), but it would mean the loss of a point.

No, that is unacceptable. Wily > Sigma, and therefore..Wily MUST win. My bracket MAY NOT die so early. :-(
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Robutt has a world of problems.

You think "Who Cares?" and "Not Robotnik" are going to beat Dr. Robotnik? Please. The biggest problem he'll have is breaking 60% on Who Cares.

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Considering Andross is little more than the hardly-seen boss of a much smaller series than the SSB/M series, I wasn't sure if the same correlation could be made here.

Hardly seen, but oft-mentioned and well-known as the baddie of Star Fox.
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I don't see how Sigma sucking has anything to do with Robotnik. Robotnik is MUCH more well known and most likely has more fans.

Yeah, I'm not quite sure where Ulti is getting this from. Wily and Robotnik are MUCH more visible in their games than Sigma is.
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From: AmazingKirby | Posted: 5/4/2005 3:33:01 PM | #257
Yeah, I'm not quite sure where Ulti is getting this from. Wily and Robotnik are MUCH more visible in their games than Sigma is.

So much, in fact, that Eggman is the single most pummeled villain in gaming history.
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Sigma not doing well means Wily might have problems. It has nothing to do with Robotnik, who is more popular than Sigma. I wouldn't hesitate for a second to call Robotnik more popular than Sigma.

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You think "Who Cares?" and "Not Robotnik" are going to beat Dr. Robotnik? Please. The biggest problem he'll have is breaking 60% on Who Cares.

No, see, it's like this.

Robotnik is a fat piece of **** that people claim everyone loves, which we'll see.

Sin is a Final Fantasy character.

Sigma fell under 2700. AGAIN. ANd he's on the verge of going under 54%, as well.
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Robotnik is a fat piece of **** that people claim everyone loves, which we'll see.

He's one of the most important and most popular villains ever. GameFAQs might have a weird taste and dislike him or something, but we'll see.

Sin is a Final Fantasy character.

Robotnik is a popular Sonic character. Who Cares is a Final Fantasy character, but he isn't popular. I'm wondering how he got into the contest in the first place.

Sigma fell under 2700. AGAIN. ANd he's on the verge of going under 54%, as well.

Irrelevant to Robotnik's situation.

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I think Robotnik's main problem is that the transition to 3-D wasn't kind to him. He isn't anywhere near as cool as he used to be.
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Sigma 54% 18011
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TOTAL VOTES 33354

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Robotnik? Important AND popular?
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I wouldn't hesitate to pick pre-FFX-2 Yuna over Who Cares. That leaves Eggman some room to fall in if he's really weaker than Tails.
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I just think that Wily is stronger than Robutt, and if Wily bombs, so will Robutt. We'll see what happens.

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Robotnik? Important AND popular?

Yeah. I've played with hundreds of gamers in real life, I've talked to thousands of people on various websites. Almost all of them know who Robotnik is, and most of the ones who know who he is, like and respect him. It's Dr. Robotnik. The only thing that's questionable is how he'll do on GameFAQs, which has odd tastes.

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Just knowing who somebody is doesn't make him important nor does it make him popular.
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Ulti, I WISH Wily was stronger than Robotnik, but he isn't. Wily hasn't played a real role in the series in a decade, since before Sony era. Robotnik is still making popular games like Sonic Adventure 2 Battle (awesome, awesome game) and Sonic Heroes (which did well, despite it being... you know).

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The most underrated game ever? You know, you can say it.
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Eh, but Robotnik has been crap in 3-D.
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Just knowing who somebody is doesn't make him important nor does it make him popular.

I already told you that Robotnik is liked and respected. That said, Who Cares and Not Robotnik are both less popular and infinitely less important than Robotnik.

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I dunno... I liked his 3D appearances better. Adds to the whole "perennial loser" stigma.
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At least Robotnik is still a constant threat in his series. As has been said before, Wily hasn't even been in a game since the mid 90's.

Robotnik>Wily for sure.

But I'm still worried about Ivo's chances against Sin.

But this is GameFAQs, where the Mega Man series is far more popular than the Sonic series.

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Sonic will narrowly defeat MM if they ever crossed paths.

As has been said before, Wily hasn't even been in a game since the mid 90's.

That sure has hurt Crono, hasn't it?
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Sonic will narrowly defeat MM if they ever crossed paths.

Switch the names and you got it right.
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Far? That remains to be seen. If today's poll shows anything, Megaman is nonexistent outside of Megaman and Zero.

Either way, CT and FF6 are about equal, right? How about the prospect of Lavos, freaking LAVOS, being somewhere around Kefka?
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Look at Mega Man and Zero. They are both still very active players in the series, obviously. Now look at Protoman. HUGE difference in popularity, and he left the series at about the same time Wily did.

Leonhart4 has already convincingly proved to me that the performances of games and series don't matter much when the characters compete.

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Sonic>Mega Man. In and out of polls.

If you asked me, Sonic proved himself to be more powerful than the Blue Bastard this summer.

Sonic almost lost to Zero.

Yes but Deus, you're insanely biased against Mega Man. I'd pick him in a match over Sonic without thinking twice.

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Forgot that they shared a common opponent in Zero. Yeah, Mega Man would win without much trouble at all.

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Yeah, because Sonic did worse against a weaker Cloud than Mega Man did on Link last summer.
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I already told you that Robotnik is liked and respected. That said, Who Cares and Not Robotnik are both less popular and infinitely less important than Robotnik.

Lol, I'm sorry, but WHO is "Not Robotnik"? XD
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If Megaman is so much more popular why is Megaman barely stronger than Sonic. Shadow is still a completely unknown factor though he has a SLIM chance of upsetting Zero. Tails and Knuckles both > Protoman. Sonic actually got a game in the Spring Contest last year where Megaman got nothing.

Sonic almost lost to Zero.

And Mega Man failed to SFF Zero.

Well when you have 17,817 games on the market, getting the fanbase to nominate one of them into a 64 game bracket is tough.

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Lol, I'm sorry, but WHO is "Not Robotnik"? XD

Kuja.
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And Mega Man failed to SFF Zero.

And STILL did better than Sonic. Your point?
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I already said it. Mega Man and Zero are still making games, and both are extremely popular. Dr. Wily and Protoman were popular, but never anywhere near Mega Man and Zero's levels of popularity. That, and they haven't been in a game in forever. The most popular game that Dr. Wily appeared in is over 15 years old.

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The most popular game that Dr. Wily appeared in is over 15 years old.

Marvel vs Capcom isen't 15 years old.

And STILL did better than Sonic. Your point?

My point is that there was still obvious SFF in the match, yet Mega Man couldn't dominate someone from his own series in the same manner Link could with Ganondorf, or Cloud with Auron. It was pathetic.

Blue Blur>Blue Bomber.

I'm pretty sure that Sigma doing poorly = Robotnik bombing is referring to the fact that both Sin and Andross are animals, which I find highly offensive, not to mention racist.


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My point is that there was still obvious SFF in the match, yet Mega Man couldn't dominate someone from his own series in the same manner Link could with Ganondorf, or Cloud with Auron. It was pathetic.

Blue Blur>Blue Bomber.

You can think that all you want. I've never been one to stray people away from throwing points away.

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Obvious SFF? Show me.
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My point is that there was still obvious SFF in the match, yet Mega Man couldn't dominate someone from his own series in the same manner Link could with Ganondorf, or Cloud with Auron. It was pathetic.

Considering that Zero has his own series of game and Ganondorf and Auron don't, it's not pahetic, more of Zero's strenght than Mega's weakness.

They're from the same goddamned series.

You want "NO SFF", look at Mega Man vs. Link. That was just a plain, simple ass kicking that people tried to label as SFF to save face for their precious Mega Man.

Between Mega Man and Sonic:


X-stats:
Advantage: Mega Man

Zero
Advantage: Mega Man

Tidus
Advantage: Mega Man (who faced him after KH, as opposed to Sonic before KH, for what it's worth)

...then, as somebody already said, MM did better against a stronger Link than Sonic did against a weaker Cloud, and MM may have under-performed too. Mega Man wins, though I do think it'd be pretty close.
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