We're talking about fighting games here. The story isn't the main feature of the game so females don't get the safted possitions of damsel in distress or supporter who is weak on their own. Samus is strong because she's a main character, Aeris and Zelda would be stronger if they were treated as equals in their games, and Morrigan is the strongest character in her game... a fighting game nonetheless, a game where the standard order doesn't apply. Morri isn't even the 'main' character in terms of the storyline. Demitri, and later Donovan, are more central characters. Fighting games do not apply themselves to the same rules as other games.

And you'd have to be crazy to think Chun-li would ever lose to Bison. I'm sure even the strongest of my other nay-sayers would have to agree with me on that.
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The only way I can explain Tails getting into the SC over Robotnik is the same way I explain Raiden getting in over Ocelot. Maybe CJay favors heroes, maybe another reason. But I think Ocelot would impressively defeat Raiden and I think Robotnik could beat Tails.
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Morrigan's only the strongest Darkstalker in the contest because She's whored out. had we seen Demitri, Jedah or Donovan in her crossover places they could easily outpeformer her.
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"Maybe CJay favors heroes, maybe another reason."

Nominators favor heroes... and so do the voters, typically. Now Tails not being THE hero obviously puts him odwn pretty badly, but I still think he is >= Robotnik in contest terms.
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She got those crossover spots in the first place by being the favorite from Darkstalkers. Capcom isn't dumb, they always use the characters that are most popular (at least in Japan) in their crossovers.
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Saying that Robotnik hasn't been in the contest yet as signs of him being weak is pretty dumb. Ocelot's never been in the summer contest yet everyone assumes he's going to be strong. The Sonic fanbase is split between Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Shadow every year as it is. There's just to many Sonic characters for every single one to make the summer contests.

"Nominators favor heroes... and so do the voters, typically. Now Tails not being THE hero obviously puts him odwn pretty badly, but I still think he is >= Robotnik in contest terms."

Maybe you are right, but I cant wrap my mind around the fact that people would prefer Tails over Robotnik. I just cant until the vote proves it so. I think Robotnik vs Kuja has a good chance of being the closest voted contest since I think Ridley is being way overrated.

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Isen't Hsein-Ko popular in Japan? She's never been in anything besides Pocket Fighter. And Yun's one of the most hated Street Fighter characters and he's in more crossovers than the rest of the SFIII cast. I'm pretty sure no one really wanted Rose or Red Earth characters in CFJ.
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Who said Robotnik was weak because he hasn't been in yet? Frankly, while I'm sure we've never skipped over any near-elite characters since we started doing proper nominations I do think that at this point anyone who hasn't been in isn't topping the Dante-Kirby level, unless of course sometihng happened since the last contest (like MGS3) or the cast is too huge to support all of its powerhouses (FF7). I don't call that weak, though many others might, especially when the newbies often won't hit that ceiling.
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To go back a few pages to SF2 discussion... Ken > Ryu as far as gameplay goes. Certainly from Turbo onwards, in plain SF2 they're pretty much interchangable. And Guile had cheap moves, particularly when being controlled by computer. Was my character of choice in plain SF2, in Turbo, probably Ken. SFA onwards? Sagat where available.
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Ridley's Road to Victory - Round 1 vs. (7) Diablo

btw - these Guru Contest participants still need to post their brackets:

07 - H4L187
09 - Robazoid
20 - imdapartystar
21 - smitelf
32 - Kuge
33 - SwanMocker
34 - JonthePenguin
39 - Young Boy
50 - Taslion
51 - perdevious
53 - Mumei
56 - RamzaB
62 - Samurai7
64 - Yesmar
70 - Redtooth
71 - Blade X
73 - Qwaar
75 - Neoatomtaco
76 - ScorpionX3
77 - Fett0001
79 - zMega64
80 - Smurf
83 - mrbird99
88 - Cavemanbob
97 - Tjian
100 - red sox 777

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Saying that Robotnik hasn't been in the contest yet as signs of him being weak is pretty dumb

I never said that, but the Sega fanbase is devoted enough to get Ryo Hazuki of all people into the contest every year. I just think Tails is more favored among the fanbase. Just because Robotnik's the villain doesn't mean he'll be more popular.
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I'm expecting Robotnik to be weak, but not because he wasn't previously in the contest.

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I just don't see any reason for Vincent to be stronger. We make fun of Aeris for *spoilers*, but she's still well-liked among the fanbase. Square fans are hardcore devoted enough to get their characters into the contest, and yet we've never seen Vincent in a normal character contest.

Note: don't actually take that seriously, as I don't mean it seriously.


Now, to actually argue with what you wrote, Dr. Robotnik will still be nearby Tails, whether he's above or below him. I'd still vote for Tails in many many matches, so don't think I hate the two-tailed fiend; I've got old-school Sonic in my blood. However, Dr. Robotnik had quite afew cool fun fights and has been in the series since the VERY beginning as well as afew spin-off games Tails isn't in (Sonic Spinball and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine come to mind). Tails...is the guy who follows you and jumps too damn slow in a certain bonus game; he also hits Dr. Robotnik when he shouldn't sometimes and makes me lose all of my rings because of him...anger, rising...

...but the point I'm getting at is that Tails is frustrating for a partner; not even Slippy's that bad of a partner, no matter how many characters I'd vote Tails over (including Slippy, mind you). Dr. Robotnik has been around just a LIL' bit longer and has some spin-off games to get the admiration of Sonic fans...and Slow said he has over 100 bossfights, which is hard to beat, to boot (though hardly meaningful here). Therefore, I gotta think Robo is about equal to Tails.
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not even Slippy's that bad of a partner

Your argument just went out the window with that statement.

And the Vincent-Aeris comparison isn't quite the same thing.
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i'm honestly expecting Robotnik to be the weakest character in his 4-pack. it really appears that even Sonic fans don't stand behind him and he's another one of those very un-photogenic characters. not that Sin is much more to look at, but i don't think Robotnik could take down either Final Fantasy villain. and i would've went with the Hand over Robotnik, too.

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Actually, Tails is my favorite Sonic character.

Hsien-ko I'm quite unsure of. She is popular, but not like Morrigan. That puts Morri ahead of her, then Demitri for story-line's sake. And I do believe Anakaris is ahead of her and felicia is quite well liked. That would explain why she never makes it, except Super Puzzle Fighter, where every DS characer named in this topic (except anakaris and demitri) appears.

Yun can be hated in the US, Capcom looks more towards Japanese popularity anyway, but I don't think it's all that bad for him.

Rose is friggin' awesome. Back off.
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Does Slippy attacking the bad-guys cost you most/all of your health during bosses? Hardly. I stand by it. Plus, I said not to take my quote-rephrasing seriously, as I realize it's not exactly the same thing. Similar, but not enough for me to wanna go somewhere with it.
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Does Slippy attacking the bad-guys cost you most/all of your health during bosses? Hardly. I stand by it.

At least Tails has SOME uses, unlike Slippy, whose only purpose is to sidetrack you.
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Solution: play as Sonic alone.
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What, Tails gets you up to ten rings a level? Slippy will reward you for covering him at least with something of interest; I ain't ashamed to trade extra lives to see Tails go down, much less sacrifice afew extra rings.
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Too bad Japan likes shotos, Morrigan is a waste of a slotin every game she's in, Demitri at least is pretty different from the Pajama brothers and has Midnight Bliss, at least they're wiseing up by not putting her in the recent crossovers. Demitri should have been in the Marvel/Capcom vs SNK crossovers.

And I don't hate Rose, it just that with 4 spots, Rose feels like a waste when a better character could have come from Alpha.

And when was Jedah in Puzzel fighter?
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Can't in Sonic 2 as far as I'm aware, and I switch back and forth with and without Tails in Sonic 3.
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There's something called options on the title screen.
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When was Jedah mentioned??? ugh.
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btw - while noone was looking, Bowser just broke 50,000 votes. and the match is about to hit 60,000 with over 7 hours left. looks like this match will break 70,000 votes after all and could even beat the total from Bowser vs. Guybrush. not too bad afterall.

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And you'd have to be crazy to think Chun-li would ever lose to Bison. I'm sure even the strongest of my other nay-sayers would have to agree with me on that.

I don't see how one can make this statement. Perhaps she should be the favorite, but it's definitely not for certain. To say that you'd have to be crazy to think Chun-Li might lose to Bison is a gross exaggeration.
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btw - while noone was looking, Bowser just broke 50,000 votes. and the match is about to hit 60,000 with over 7 hours left. looks like this match will break 70,000 votes after all and could even beat the total from Bowser vs. Guybrush. not too bad afterall.

Go Bowser :)
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Bowser's definitely making a fool out of Pyramid Head...

...Ganon'll beat Giygas worse though.
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Go Bowser indeed.

I still stand by my statement that'd be crazy to take Bison over Chun-li.
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The only way I can explain Tails getting into the SC over Robotnik is the same way I explain Raiden getting in over Ocelot. Maybe CJay favors heroes, maybe another reason. But I think Ocelot would impressively defeat Raiden and I think Robotnik could beat Tails.

Only because SFF will destroy Raiden at any opportunity, as some MGS fans have a grudge against him. I'd put them as almost equal in any other case. (and I don't think Ocelot SFF would be NEARLY as bad as Snake SFF)

And as for Akuma, I don't know where you're getting that from HM, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it. The way I see it is:

Ryu > Ken = Bison > Chun Li = Akuma > almost everybody else. I just wish we had Akuma in this to test the theory out.
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Chun-Li would kill M. Bison one-on-one, but I don't think their indirect strength would be all that different.
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Akuma is among some of the biggest casual fighting game fan bait you can possibly find that isn't Ryu. He's everything people love wrapped into one rather lackluster character. That inequality just reeks of wrong, if you ask me. There's no way in hell that Akuma is below Ken. That's just blatantly obvious.

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Mushroom Division: Round 1 - Match 2 – (4)Sigma vs. (5)Andross

Moltar’s Analysis

Sigma
Game/Series Known From: Mega Man X Series

We’ve seen Mega Man, Zero, Protoman, now the evil Sigma has entered into the Contest scene.

Andross
Game/Series Known From: Star Fox Series

That giant floating monkey head we all know and love. Andross enters the Contest as a 5 seed.

Hmm, this match at first glance looks a little hard to predict, but let’s just look over some things first.

Since these guys are both new to the GameFAQs Contest scene, we have no idea how strong they are. So, we’ll have to look in other places for some clues. A good place to start is to look at whatever game or series the villain has been in. Sigma comes from the MMX series, and we all know how big MM and MMX are at GameFAQs. Andross comes from the Star Fox series. Not as big as the Mega Man franchise, but it has a pretty decent fanbase nonetheless. If I were to assign a winner here, I’d give it to Sigma.

Another clue is that we can look at how other characters from the game/series performed in past GameFAQs Contests. For Sigma, we can look at 3 different MM characters. Well, let’s not count Protoman here… Mega Man is one of the strongest characters in the Summer Contests. I mean, this guy can beat most of his opponents badly. Unfortunately, Link and Sephiroth scare him. But Mega is definitely in the Top Tier when it comes to strength. Zero is also not too far behind either. In the last Contest, Zero proved he could go toe-to-toe against MM and avoid SFF, which is one heck of a feat. Sigma is looking good thanks to those guys.

Andross, on the other hand, only has one previous Star Fox character to look at, and that is Fox, who got slaughtered against Link in Round 2 in 2003. Advantage here? Definitely Sigma.

You shouldn’t really need any further convincing. Andross would have to be pretty darn strong to be able to take down Sigma, who is already looking to give Bowser some sort of challenge. Oh well, here’s my interview with Andross about this match.



Moltar: So Andross, are you ready for this interview?

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-lookforward.wav

Moltar: Good, good, how do you feel about facing Sigma in Round 1?

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-foolish.wav

Moltar: Tell that to Sigma! You sound pretty confident, Andross.

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-galaxy.wav

Moltar: Do you think that you will also control the Contest and become the winner?

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-tincan.wav http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-brains.wav

Moltar: Uh…okay.

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-truepain.wav

Moltar: Can I get some help out here?

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-dead.wav

Moltar: That’s it, this interview is over!

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-dielikefather.wav

Moltar: My father isn’t dead…..SECURITY!

Andross: http://starfox64.baldninja.com/wav/andross-neverdefme.wav



Oh, the memories…

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sigma will win

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sigma 61% - Andross 39%

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Ulti’s Analysis

This is one of those debated matches that needs no debating at all. This match comes down to Mega Man X franchise votes vs Star Fox franchise votes. Andross simply can't compete, given that the Mega Man X series is more popular than the original series on GameFAQs: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1834.

However, Andross will dominate the fads on that day. YOU'LL NEVER DEFEAT ANDROSSSSSSSS!!

Ulti’s Prediction: Sigma with 68.45%



Soul’s Analysis

The fourth seeded Sigma faces the fifth seeded Andross. I love Starfox games. I loved all of them (except for the first one, since I didn’t have a SNES). Andross is a great boss too. When you’re the boss of the most quoted game of all time, it’s hard not to love him.

Sigma, on the other hand, I haven’t heard about. Reading the little blurb from CJay, he tells me that Sigma comes from the MMX series. I was never a big fan of Megaman or his games. I could see what is good about it, but I just couldn’t get into it. Anyway, this match looks to be the first hard one in the bunch. I brain is telling me to go with Sigma, but I just can’t. I can’t put a boss I’ve never heard of over Andross. So, here’s my chance pick right here. Andross wins with around 51%.



Outback’s Analysis

Andross doesn’t have the brains to rule SpC2k5
Icon, I don’t care what you say. Star Fox rocks.

Andross: the villain responsible for http://starfoxsecks.ytmnd.com. He should win by default. But, alas, he won’t. So many times I’ve shot down that giant face, only to be greeted by a giant brain. And so many times… but this isn’t the time for a stroll down memory lane.
In the other corner we have Sigma. An interesting contest entity indeed. Could it be argued that, contestwise, Sigma is actually stronger than Dr. Wily? I think so! Taking a look at the Mega Man/Zero match from SC2k4, it appears that there was no SFF at all for Mega Man, and that there was actually reverse SFF (insert WHOAMGs here). This begs the question: is this good for Wily, bad for Wily, good for Sigma, or bad for Sigma? I’m of the opinion that it’s good for Sigma, and thus I have to hand him the win here, even though it hurts me deep inside, as shown by the diagram below.

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Anyway, Sigma 53.56, Andross 46.44



Inviso’s Analysis

Well…Sigma is from Megaman, a series I personally detest. Andross is from Starfox 64, a single game that I believe spawned “Do a barrel roll!” Anyway, on this site, Megaman is one of the strongest characters we have, and it would be a natural assumption that Sigma in turn would be a strong villain. But Sigma is not as well known as Dr. Wily I believe. I mean, I have Megaman fanatic friends, and as often as they talk about Wily, I’ve heard Sigma’s name drop only once or twice.

Andross on the other hand is from a series that hasn’t been doing so well lately. Adventures was terrible, and Assault didn’t exactly live up to anyone’s expectations. Andross does have the slight boost from having trophy cameos in Super Smash Brothers: Melee, but again, it’s one of the more common trophies, unlike the Ridley trophy, which can only be gained one way. It all comes down really to a match between two more foddery characters, and whoever has the bigger following will win.

My prediction: Sigma with 56.33%

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Akuma is below Ken is like Knuckles above Shadow.

Akuma doesen't getinto these contests because the board members hate him so he never gets nomimanted. Cjay probably doesen't think of him as a villian either
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But Ken gets extra power from the pre SSF2 Turbo games, and he seems pretty popular with the casuals too, I think. And the old school Street Fighter games add quite a bit, I'm sure. I don't think it's a long shot at all.

For some bizarre reason I have to believe Ken underperforms in these things... how can he be that much lower than Ryu?
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I'm a huge, huge Masters fan and I find it absolutely insane to even think about picking him over Akuma. Ken was once extremely popular but that isn't the case much anymore, which is very unfortunate.

I just don't see how now, in 2005, you could put Ken above Akuma, hell anyone that isn't Ryu above Akuma. Most of the hardcore fighting base doesn't care for him, but everyone else loves the hell out of him for some odd reason.

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People love fireballs I guess.
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I love the new font size, personally. Of course you don't me to tell you that, do you?
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jonthomson:
To go back a few pages to SF2 discussion... Ken > Ryu as far as gameplay goes. Certainly from Turbo onwards, in plain SF2 they're pretty much interchangable. And Guile had cheap moves, particularly when being controlled by computer. Was my character of choice in plain SF2, in Turbo, probably Ken. SFA onwards? Sagat where available.

Perhaps to the average gamer maybe, but if you're talking about really high-quality game play, (good to tournament level), Ryu(A2) then V-ism Ryu(A3) is a powerhouse to the extent that Ken will never be.
As for the SF3: DI and TS as well as CvS an argument could be made for both.
Ryu adds being an equal if not better character on top of being the main character.


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As far as the Bison/SF discussion is concerned, I'll bring up the SF3 series. The only characters they brought back into the SF3 games (which originally wasn't supposed to have any returning characters) were easily the most popular of the cast...Ryu, Ken, Akuma, Chun-Li. These are characters you're most likely to see being played by the casuals in any SF game. As cool as Bison is, can anybody really tell me they've a good number of Bison players? Hell, even one or two?

Honestly, how can anybody believe Bison would even touch ANY of these 4 in a one-on-one setting?

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can anybody really tell me they've *seen* a good number of Bison players?

Dang typos!

Damn. even factoring the kiddie vote, I predicted that boswer's gains would stifle at no higher than 83 and he's at 84 now.

Returning night vote. Don't let me down!

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Ever heard the term "Paint the fence"?
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Second deadliest Custom Combo to Sakura's SHOSHOSHO.
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Well, one of my friend's best characters is Bison. And I find myself using him often enough... not to say that means anything. Just saying Bison fans DO exist.
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