Kuja won't come close to getting 45% on Ganondorf.

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I am banking on the fact that this is a Villains contest, and not a Character contest. Kuja is one of the top 5 Villains in this contest, and I expect the casual voter to realize this. Luca and Ghaleon have him beat, but they will not garner enough of the casual support to contend for anything besides a first round upset. Ganondorf just does not strike me as the kind of villain to get support for being a villain. Those who have played through FFIX will know, and hate, Kuja, for what he does.

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I give Kuja 40% on Ganondorf.
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Don't expect the voters to treat this any differently than a normal contest.
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Well, I know that I am treating it differently than a Character Battle, and I find it very difficult to believe I am the only one out of 75 or so thousand voters. Maybe the 3-5% gain from Character to Villain I am expecting won't materialize, but I'll be damned if the likes of Luca Blight are not better in this contest than Summer.

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We've had polls with more votes than Suikoden II had sales.
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... I doubt that'll materialize (Luca Blight being stronger). In fact, I'd be rather shocked if he was any stronger than just margin of error...

What would Kuja be on Link if he managed a 45% on Ganondorf? What about 40%?
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And PDS' had a poll with more votes than copies sold. I know you plan on taking this somewhere...

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Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Luca Blight, or anyone for that matter, will not suddenly gain strength from this being a villain contest.

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40% on Ganon would put Kuja at the level of Kirby. If you think he'll be any higher than that, you're crazy.

And most people like villains for their villainy. They won't treat them any differently.
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Uuh, well let's see, since Ganondorf got 13% on Link, I think pretty much anything Kuja got on Ganondorf would be irrelevant. So if you mean Ganondorf through Magus, who got what, 30% on Link, that'd be somewhere around 25ish or so I think? Correct me if I am wrong, I am terrible with X-Sts on weekdays.

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Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

So if you mean Ganondorf through Magus, who got what, 30% on Link, that'd be somewhere around 25ish or so I think

Try 35%
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Maybe it's my biased fanboyism here, but I would take Kuja over Kirby without giving it much thought...

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Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

I'll surely call it your biased fanboyism then.
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From: Heroic Viktor | Posted: 5/3/2005 5:49:31 PM | #308
And PDS' had a poll with more votes than copies sold. I know you plan on taking this somewhere...

THREE TIMES more votes, actually.
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Well I guess we will find out in a couple weeks. Assuming, of course, Kuja doesn't ruin my day and lose to inanimate object, a portly mad scientist or a whale puppet first...

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Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Oh, and if Kuja hits 45% on Ganondorf, he's stronger than Bowser.
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Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I've seen numbers that put sales of PDS at anywhere from 5,000 - 15,000... It might've been three times as many.

On, a sidenote, I knew that the vote totals for my little thingy would drop when the contest started, but... ouchies. ='(
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THREE TIMES, eh? Well then, let's go Luca!!! I am only asking for half the votes of copies sold.

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Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Well, then if 45% makes him stronger than Bowser, than I think we may see a different third place finisher in our XStats then.

Ok, stupid account is almost out of posts. Hopefully by tonite some of those posts from 20-24 hours ago will have erased off my record... stupid restrictions.

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Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

I don't think Kuja will get past Sin, let alone get a shot at Ganondorf...oh well.
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I don't think Kuja will get past Sin

I have no idea why people think Sin will be anywhere near the level of Seymour, which he would have to be in order to beat Kuja.
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The fact that anyone thinks Kuja could plausibly get 45% on Ganondorf, hell, even REACH Ganondorf, is so laughable, I almost have to laugh.

I have no idea why people think Sin will be anywhere near the level of Seymour,

Yeah, because we all know what level Seymour would be at >_>
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Yeah, because we all know what level Seymour would be at >_>

We can reasonably assume that Seymour would be stronger than Kuja, though not by some obscene amount.
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For those interested, Pyramid Head is currently at 10% even in the XS if we hold Bowser steady from 2k3 to now. Shame, I had him pegged at 11%, and that's what my Oracle prediction was based on.
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Kuja getting 45% on Ganondorf = impossible
Kuja getting 40% on Ganondorf = highly unlikey
Kuja getting 35% on Ganondorf = we're being more reasonable now, at least.....
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35% would place Kuja right in between Luigi and KOS-MOS, which certainly isn't unreasonable.
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Thus, "more reasonable" and giving it the privilege of being called reasonable, as opposed to Kuja getting 45% or 40% on Ganondorf.
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For the first time, probably in the history of this topic, Square will be underestimated to the point of jawdroppings. Tidus has been marginally underestimated in the past, but nothing will compare to the hell that is raised when Kuja gets 45%+ on Ganondorf.

I am banking on the fact that this is a Villains contest, and not a Character contest. Kuja is one of the top 5 Villains in this contest, and I expect the casual voter to realize this.

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that is the funniest thing i've read all day. i reallt like ya tnote, but c'mon - do you honestly think people are going to vote any differently in this contest than they would in the Summer Contest? come on now, the casual voter realizes very few things other than the two names and the two pictures.

Kuja will be lucky if he doesn't get doubled by Ganondorf, if he even makes it there. i expect him to slide through his weak 4-pack and barely scrap 30% against Ganon.

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I still don't think Kuja will get past Robotnik...
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Re: Street Fighter II characters

I've never fully bought into all this talk about Chun-Li being stronger than M. Bison. Remember that outside of Zelda, Zeris, and, like, Morrigan (Samus doesn't count), females have never been strong in these contests. I don't see how Chun-Li would be stronger than the guy who was the primary villain of the series at the height of its popularity, and was also playable during the latter part of that height.

As for Cammy...Cammy?!!? Why in the world would someone expect Cammy to beat M. Bison??

I could see Guile and Blanka being stronger than M. Bison back in the day. Cammy, never.
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Heh. I really wish Akuma were in Bison's position.

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Here is what I think. Robotnik > Tails. I think Dr. Robotnik is somewhere in between Tails and Knuckles (probably closer to Tails). I just cant see any way Tails is more popular.

Kuja is either equal to Kefka or only very slightly better. Thus I think Robotnik will beat Kuja.

Sin will never come within 6 percentage points of Robotnik.
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Chun-Li would undoubtedly be more popular than Bison. There's no reason she wouldn't be.
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Robotnik won't be stronger than Tails either.
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I might also be willing to say that Chun would be stronger than Masters. She's easily one of the most recognizable female characters out there and she's usually one of the best in the games she appears in, which is a very large amount.

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Why not? There is no reason for me to believe that Tails did not get any of its votes outside of the "Being a recognizable Sonic Character" Factor. He isnt cool. Hell Robotnik is cooler than Tails. I can see Robotnik being a more liked character than Tails.
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I dont like Silent Hill, but come on look at Pyramid Head. His head is a pyramid. How can you NOT vote for that?

Chun-Li is the original fighting game girl. i could see her doing pretty well for a female character, possibly better than Bison. Cammy, though? no way. i see the strongest SF2 characters as:

Ryu > Chun Li >= Ken >= Akuma >= M.Bison. that's about it. i can't see any others doing respectably.

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Cyko's got it about right. I think Chun, Ken, and Akuma would all be very close to one another.
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Robotnik won't be stronger than Tails either.

I don't see how it's so easy people say that. Now, Robo may wind up to be a lil' weaker that Tails (though barely if he does), but Dr. Robotnik is likely equal to Tails or a lil' stronger. There's no reason for him not to be out of that range.
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And for what it's worth, I try to get Tails killed every chance I get, and I like Dr. Robotnik better than Tails.
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I think the Kuja/Robotnik match is going to come down to how much stronger (if it all) is Kuja over Kefka.
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I dont like Silent Hill, but come on look at Pyramid Head. His head is a pyramid. How can you NOT vote for that?

I just don't see any reason for Robotnik to be stronger. We make fun of Tails for being a weakling, but he's still well-liked among the fanbase. Sega fans are hardcore devoted enough to get their characters into the contest, and yet we've never seen Robotnik in a normal character contest.
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Kuja DOUBLED by Ganondorf? No, just no. Not gonna happen. This would be a bigger travesty than SF2 losing to SMRPG, and almost as big of a travesty as SSB:M beating FFX, but not quite the travesty of Kuja losing to a inanimate winter accessory.

You people can call me crazy all you like, but I think the fact that this is a villains contest and not a character contest will have an effect on voting. I will just leave it at that before I get anymore people questioning my sanity, or lack thereof.

And Adept, you lost the right to say anything in regards to irrational statements when you preached Ryu>Sonic.

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Vega would do quite respectable.

And if M. Bison's name was Vega like it should've been, he'd be significantly stronger.
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I think Akuma would be a deal stronger than ken or Chun Li because everyone besides the hardcore fighting game fanbase uses Akuma, look at SvC Chaos's live community, only Shin Akuma is used, and he's plentiful in CvS2 and SFAC.
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No, no, no. Akuma is not on the same level as the others you mentioned. He's a clear second behind Ryu. If he were in Bison's spot, the winner of the Ruin Division would not be in question right now. Akuma would plow straight through it with little competition.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

I just don't see any reason for Robotnik to be stronger. We make fun of Tails for being a weakling, but he's still well-liked among the fanbase. Sega fans are hardcore devoted enough to get their characters into the contest, and yet we've never seen Robotnik in a normal character contest.

Who do you have winning the Ruin Division?