I don't understand how Ghaleon's big game, SSSC, can sell more than Vergil's big game, DMC3, and Ghaleon is still unknown compared to Vergil. DMC3 will almost certainly outsell SSSC in the long run, but we're not in the long run.



DMC1 SPOILERS!

I'm not all that far in DMC1 yet, as I've only fought Nelo Angelo once, but it seems like he's a cool boss fight and nothing more in that game. Can somebody explain otherwise? I don't care about spoilers, as I'm not playing DMC for the story anyway (another point against Vergil).
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

How old is the most recent release of Lunar?
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Can't keep a good man down, baby!

No, no nervousness. Vergil is going to run away and hide from Ghaleon. Too cult, not well known enough, recency factor, <insert asinine gimmick here>. No need to concern yourself with picking Ghaleon...

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Lunar Legend was released for the GBA in Summer 02, I think.
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

I can't believe you guys managed to get me nervous about Vergil/Ghaleon.

Between this and Bison, I'm suddenly hurting to change my bracket. But I'm trying to just block everything out and keep it the way it is.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Was Ghaleon in it?
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Can't keep a good man down, baby!

Scared? No, I'm not worried about Vergil/Ghaleon.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily in 2k5
Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the contest-hype.

Can somebody explain otherwise?

Well, Vergil's most prominent role happens to be in DMC3 as opposed to DMC. But I haven't touched DMC3 yet, myself; in fact, I haven't even played RE4 yet. I'm a big Capcom fan and haven't touched two of their biggest releases this year. <.<


But yeah, DMC3 is what you would be looking for in the way of Vergil's multiple appearances and impact on the story more.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

I'm not changing my bracket, even if my Ghaleon pick is largely because of conviction. I don't see anything unreasonable about my assumptions; Ghaleon beats Luca 60/40 and Vergil loses to Dante 70/30 without SFF.
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

Wait, HM, are you currently for or against Ghaleon?

...and thinking about changing from Ridley after all the pimping you were doing for him earlier? You were hyping him up more than Don King.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Lunar Legend was a remake of Lunar: SSS.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Although Ghaleon's biggest game may have outsold Vergil's game as of now, who's fans are more likely to visit GameFAQS and vote for him?
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yeah, it was a remake of SSS, without the C. Ghaleon was indeed in it, and it was release in December of 2002, not the summer.
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

the bottom line on Vergil vs Ghaleon is that neither of them is going to be very well-known. that's when the pics come in to play. i'm a pretty big Ghaleon fan, and even i have to admit that Vergil looks way cooler than pale Ghaleon with his big, pointy ears. that's where Vergil will be able to take this one.


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VOTE FOR ULTROS!!! G'FHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

Heck, that's just for one month. If DMC3 kept up those sales numbers, it might have already matched Ghaleon's biggest appearance, and if not, it'll be pretty close by the time their match rolls around.

I think recency does matter somewhat if it's not an established character (such as Mario or Link, who are still releasing new games anyway). Of course, Crono smacks me in the face with this, though he did have FF Chronicles, which is how I came to know him, though I did know who Crono was before playing Chrono Trigger, which I think quite a few could say. I doubt many could say they would know Ghaleon without knowing Lunar or knowing somebody who's played it.
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Can't keep a good man down, baby!

Wait, thereal, are you asking who's fans are more likely to visit a guide/walkthrough oriented website: the RPG villain's fans or the platformer-actiony-something villain's fans?

Hmm... I dunno...

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Probably those looking for a FAQ of a recently released game.
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Can't keep a good man down, baby!

May I guide you to Vercetti/Kite?
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily in 2k5
Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the contest-hype.

Now now, guys, don't scare the new kids by hyping up Vergil/Ghaleon. :-)

-Tai

The (anti)hero of GTA is not the villain of DMC. GTA is an entity all to itself, with the ability to do just about anything. Except, of course, beat freakin' SSB:M. Not that I am bitter or anything.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Well, if CJayC wasn't pandering to the procrastinators and delaying bracket closure, we could be debating Bowser's destruction of Pyramid Head and talking about how badly Sigma was going to beat Andross.

But alas, whaddya gonna do?
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Can't keep a good man down, baby!

Okay, I give up on trying to find Lunar EB/franchise sales. It is like no one has a record of a press-release or anything. >.>

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

SSBM > most games.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/crotine/ganonvsephn.jpg

<_<

Think CJayC will let us submit pictures for the final match again?
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Preparedness prevents piss poor performance.
If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving is not for you.

I cannot believe that people are debating freaking Vergil vs Ghaleon.

Anyway, I need sleep. If this topic happens to hit 500 by the time I wake up (which isn't impossible), I'd like for either Slowflake, TRE, or Heroic Mario to make the next one (depends who is awake, I guess). Thanks in advance.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

If he does, he'd better use what you've got there. That's an amazing pic.

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Gimmie Mortal Kombat II or Street Fighter II any day of the week over it. Nothin' beats a good 'Haaaaaaaadoooooooooken' or a 'geeeeeeeeeeeeeet over heeeeeeeeeeeeere.'

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

I hope Ceej lets us do match pics again. I had fun making Link/Cloud.
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

Heh, I'd like to see alternating semifinal pictures again, too. That one of Mega Man blasting Link was absolutely hilarious.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I cannot believe that people are debating freaking Vergil vs Ghaleon.

I second that. They must be really desperate.

The only excitement will come from the Kefka/Ridley/Diablo and Kuja/Eggman/Sin trios. Book it.
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BOWSER, Ocelot, SEPHIROTH, Liquid, KEFKA, Ridley, GANONDORF, Kuja

US sales, as of April 22, 2004:

Lunar: Silver Star 223,000
Lunar 2: Eternal Blue 170,000

Source: metroid composite / the-magicbox.com
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Knights and ninjas play host to the Middle finals at www.rpgdl.com, with Yuffie Kisaragi taking on Izlude Tingel!

That pic's awesome. Lovin' it.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily in 2k5
Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the contest-hype.

Those are the Saturn games, I presume? Are their PSX numbers floating around the same site?
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

No, those are the Playstation titles.
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Knights and ninjas play host to the Middle finals at www.rpgdl.com, with Yuffie Kisaragi taking on Izlude Tingel!

Those are actually PSX numbers, believe it or not.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

*hears a collective sigh from the Ghaleon fanbase*
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily in 2k5
Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the contest-hype.

Where did that half a million number come from, then? Regardless, I stand by my assumptions.
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

I believe that was a worldwide number.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

So DMC3 probably has those combined numbers beat in two months.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

The numbers on that site are PSX Japan numbers. The game sold half a million in America according to lunar.net.

On the website posted above, the games are referred to as SSS and EB. Those were Japanese releases. Both gained the name Complete at the end when they came to America.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

And clearly I meant lunar-net.com, since I doubt anyone cares about seeing Neil Armstrong on the moon.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

I was almost at the point of changing my bracket and then I got to talking to Leonhart and SoA's sales were asked. . .


SoA sold 241,000 across both the GCN and DC combined. I'm now starting to do some questioning. . .

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

SoA is also more respected here than Lunar.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily in 2k5
Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the contest-hype.

Let me throw out some match-ups. Who would you guys take in Vyse/Vergil and then Vyse/Ghaleon?

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

SoA is also more respected here than Lunar.

Have we ever really seen something to test Lunar at GameFAQs, though?

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Vyse and Vyse.
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

I'd take Vyse over both as well.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

SoA is also more respected here than Lunar.

I don't know if that's necessarily true, though Skies does have an established company behind it, while Lunar doesn't.

Plus, I still gotta wonder if Lunar's age will hinder it. It's not like it's got an established company like Square behind it, nor is it an established series. I don't think you could put it in the same group with Chrono Trigger, which still sold well besides its re-release in FF Chronicles.
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Hi,I'm partystar. ^_^
Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Would definitely take Vyse in both, and will even add in that I think Vergil would do better against Vyse than Ghaleon would. This of course stems from my hypothesis of RPG SFF. In my mind, it would favor the hero, Vyse, over the villain, Ghaleon, in addition to SoA being more mainstream than Lunar. Anyone who thinks otherwise need look no further than SC2k4 where SoA made it and SSSC did not. And SoA had to deal with all of the recently released games fresh in people's minds to boot.

Long story short, Vyse wins both, but Ghaleon still beats Vergil for reasons listed by me some 50 posts ago.

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts

Cronicles barely broke a quarter of a million in sales (as of 2004). Not exactly stellar, but still more than SoA or Lunar: EB (or so we think, at least).

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RIP: Tnote827 - 4/4/05
Fighting Illini (37-2): #2 in the nation, #1 in our hearts