You know what's odd? Someone in my hall made a bracket for this as well, and we have the exact same tiebreaker.

Of course, our actual brackets are different.
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"What the ancients called a clever fighter is one who not only wins, but excels in winning with ease." -- The Art of War

anyone expecting a statement from cjayc now that the bracket submissions are closed?
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anyone expecting a statement from cjayc now that the bracket submissions are closed?

Nope.
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Ridley's Road to Victory - Round 1 vs. (7) Diablo

I don't think this poll bodes all that well for Bison. Anytime a character can only do marginably better than CATS...

</Still not worried bout Kuja>
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Honorary Spring 2005 Winner - Kerrigan.

I don't expect CJay.

Making the rules would be the hardest part, and with this being finals week for me, I'm not gonna bother makin' 'em and trying to remember 'em.
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that's ok, me and swirldude both have interest in doing it, too, so we can probably get it started, to be helped whenever help arrives. It's not like the rules can't be changed/updated as needed, anyways.
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

If Bison had a stronger round 1 opponent, I'm sure he'd be in the lead. The keyword is "upset", which is why I think Master Hand is doing so well. I was about to put Ultros down and then I realized... "well, M. Bison over Ganondorf would be an upset, I'll just count it there".
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It's not their comparisons with CATS that makes me think; it's my expectations of each of them. CATS got his votes against Link and Cloud, so he'll naturally get his votes against these guys. Meanwhile, I expected better from all of them except MH, and he's surpassing what my (according to most, over)-estimations had him at.

Hard to put much credit in this poll, but it's not looking great for Bison.
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What, may I ask, is looking bad for Bison in this poll? Nothing even remotely suggests such a thing. It's asinine to believe it does.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

What, may I ask, is looking bad for Bison in this poll?

He's kinda losing to a glove in the poll.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

If Bison had a stronger round 1 opponent, I'm sure he'd be in the lead. The keyword is "upset", which is why I think Master Hand is doing so well. I was about to put Ultros down and then I realized... "well, M. Bison over Ganondorf would be an upset, I'll just count it there".

There may be a solid hundred votes total who actually voted solely based on the technical definition of the word "upset". I don't think his first round opponent is costing him much ground in this poll.
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And yet it would go the opposite way in an actual contest poll. If someone here would take Master Hand over Bison, I would show you someone who is out of their mind completely. Not as though they already aren't for thinking Master Hand can beat Kuja, but that one has been beaten to death.

Really, it isn't as though this is a poll asking for your favorite of the four or anything remotely close. And as it stands, MH has a very slim lead over Bison, it isn't as if he's dominating this poll. I was actually pleasantly surprised to see Bison winning earlier.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

If Bison had a stronger round 1 opponent, I'm sure he'd be in the lead. The keyword is "upset", which is why I think Master Hand is doing so well. I was about to put Ultros down and then I realized... "well, M. Bison over Ganondorf would be an upset, I'll just count it there".

I don't think the poll question means very much, most people will vote for their favorite game anyways.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1590
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Nothing looks bad about M. Bison in today's match, unless you still consider MH a joke. Many people from this topic and many more from the board in general have considered it such, and this poll still hasn't changed many people's minds. It doesn't help that you still think M. Bison would decimate Master Hand, too, when MH is STILL making a bigger gap between him and Bison and that SSB or SSBM is more popular here than any Street Fighter game of your choice.

If MH keeps this up, I might change my stance on a direct Bison/MH match.....
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well, I think people are overestimating Bison anyway. That or I plain just dont like him. I don't claim to be a fan of street fighter, but I'm expecting little to nothing out of Bison.
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Thank you TRE; I hate poll-searching, and that had just popped in my mind. Cookie for you.
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And yet it would go the opposite way in an actual contest poll. If someone here would take Master Hand over Bison, I would show you someone who is out of their mind completely. Not as though they already aren't for thinking Master Hand can beat Kuja, but that one has been beaten to death.

But that doesn't change the fact the current poll suggests that Master Hand might even be stronger than M. Bison. Whether or not the poll results will mean anything remains to be seen.

And as it stands, MH has a very slim lead over Bison, it isn't as if he's dominating this poll. I was actually pleasantly surprised to see Bison winning earlier.

Master Hand is increasing it's lead by 100 votes in hour. It won't stay that way, but Master Hand's lead might not be so slim at the end of the poll.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Oh, and MH's lead is anything but dominant, but the fact that M. Bison's even letting such a joke hang with him in a battle for first place says something about either Bison's weakness or MH's strength...or, tell me to blow it out my ass because it's not a proper poll. Your call.
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And yet it would go the opposite way in an actual contest poll. If someone here would take Master Hand over Bison, I would show you someone who is out of their mind completely. Not as though they already aren't for thinking Master Hand can beat Kuja, but that one has been beaten to death.

Well just keep in mind, this doesn't exactly mean that all of the voters think it will happen, just what they'd like to see. Hell if Ramriez was up there, I'd gladly pick that option. It wouldn't happen...but I'd really wish it would.

Will this reach 500 before lockdown?

BTW Dabu, that's really creepy 0.o
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I'm liking my Albedo pick right now. Bison is losing to a frigging hand.
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I don't think the poll question means very much, most people will vote for their favorite game anyways.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1590

Eh, I would seriously doubt that it is even a case of voting for their "favorite" in this match. I mean seriously doubt.

Nothing looks bad about M. Bison in today's match, unless you still consider MH a joke.

I want to see something that been brought up that suggests Master Hand isn't a joke. The only thing I've even heard is that SSBM did well, which in no way has to do with MH. There hasn't been any argument in favor of me changing my stance that Master Hand is even worth my time to consider.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Yeah, I've just about given up on most of you people for right now.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

I would show you someone who is out of their mind completely. Not as though they already aren't for thinking Master Hand can beat Kuja

As you said something along those lines when I picked Starcraft over Wind Waker in the Oracle Challenge last spring, you just reassured me HM ;)
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I'd just like to say that this extended time period has changed no less than two of my picks...

*sigh*

damn you extension!


or bless you if they work...
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

Have any of you ever read Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing?

Dude. Overkill. Really. </Shake>

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

And I have no clue why you people are putting anything at all behind a poll like this. It does not make any sense whatsoever. Bison's lead against Master Hand was always very small to begin with and there wasn't any sort of uproar.


But the extension has made me change four different picks. =|

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

The extension made you change picks?

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I still haven't touched my bracket, and I'm even feeling better about it during the extension.

When is lockdown, anyway? I thought 5PM Pacific was 8PM Eastern, and it's 8:47...
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I would appreciate it if you didn't take things in such a literal sense.

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CJayC's running a little late with closing the brackets. He's done this in the past.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

I would appreciate it if you didn't take things in such a literal sense.

You would appreciate it if this "you" person didn't take things in such a literal sense? Maybe you should tell him that.

Heil Dweebenheimer!!! For I am MasterMage119!!!

If the poll means anything, and I doubt it does, then it would be that Bison is being a little overestimated by some people.

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Bison's lead against Master Hand was always very small to begin with and there wasn't any sort of uproar.

I didn't wanna jinx it, nor did I wanna make an ass out of myself, heh.

I want to see something that been brought up that suggests Master Hand isn't a joke.

He's currently beating somebody you have in the Final Four in a battle of name-power...no pics, just names, and how often is MH's name ever mentioned? SSBM and SSB are popular here, not just SSB, and no SF game is equally popular to SSB or SSBM.

The only thing I've even heard is that SSBM did well, which in no way has to do with MH.

That's one of the two games he's from. I don't think you meant it THAT literally, but I don't know how else you meant it.
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He's currently beating somebody you have in the Final Four in a battle of name-power...no pics, just names, and how often is MH's name ever mentioned? SSBM and SSB are popular here, not just SSB, and no SF game is equally popular to SSB or SSBM.

I was contemplating putting Bison in the final four before this poll even came to be. Considering it is merely a pre-contest poll with absolutely nothing in the way of being something to look at it for contest information, I find it pretty foolish that people are getting worked up over it. When have we ever looked at these polls and decided to judge how a character might do based upon them? Never, from what I recall. I find it just insane that people think this poll suddenly reflects how a character will or will not perform. Hey, I know, why not bust out the old "Favorite character?" polls while we're at it?

That's one of the two games he's from. I don't think you meant it THAT literally, but I don't know how else you meant it.

I meant SSBM in regard to the fact that we've actually seen it perform in a contest setting before, whereas we haven't seen SSB perform in a contest setting. And his prominence in either game was small to begin with.

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My initial pick was Master Hand winning two matches. I have since changed it, since virtually the entire board talked me out of it. Someone inform Leonhart4 that if Master Hand beats Kuja, I'm finding out where he lives. :P

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My initial pick was Master Hand winning two matches. I have since changed it, since virtually the entire board talked me out of it. Someone inform Leonhart4 that if Master Hand beats Kuja, I'm finding out where he lives. :P

I did too at first, heh, but only by accident. Should MH beat Kuja (which ain't guaranteed at all), I get first dibs on Leonhart. =P


Also, two problems with HM's statement...

1) I haven't been any more worked up after this poll than I have been just waiting for the contest to start. However, you would be ignorant to ignore the fact that MH could beat Bison after this poll; either that, or you think this kind of poll is meaningless like the favorites-polls (which you might be right)...

2) ...but those favorites-matches were within their own fan-bases. Where's the large over-lap in CATS, Bison, MH, Tenpenny, and Ultros? Odd results happen more often in those polls (and it's not like all of them are screwed up, anyways), but there's only room for a lil' over-lap here. It's not gonna be as inaccurate as you would like to believe.
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Master Hand cracks 10,000 now, by the way.
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When have we ever looked at these polls and decided to judge how a character might do based upon them? Never, from what I recall.

PotD's a brought up all of them time. The "Favorite Street Figher character" and "Favorite FF villain" ones have be brought up a few times. The "highest rated GameCube" poll I linked to in a previous poll was pretty much taken as a spoiler for the results of Metroid Prime vs Wind Waker.

A large part of why PotD results are inaccurate is their age. SSBM may have be slaughtered in the 2002 GotY poll, but Samus vs Sonic shows how much can change in two years.
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"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Let's not forget the popular opinion that Sub-Zero > Scorpion and the poll that backed that up, too. Damn...maybe that SF2 poll was pretty accurate afterall. Can someone get that poll?
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I'm sure TRE will pull it up shortly, but IIRC Bison had something like 3% of the vote.
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I never denied that Master Hand could be a threat. It's just that Kuja is the best villain in the series, and the thought of him losing to a glove is sickening.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Its not just any glove. Its THE GLOVE.
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I dont like Silent Hill, but come on look at Pyramid Head. His head is a pyramid. How can you NOT vote for that?

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1284
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1558

These are two polls that were taken before the contest starts and feature some of the contestants from the contests at hand. There is nothing accurate about the first poll, or very little, and much of the second poll remains inaccurate despite the actual results. I have always failed to possibly see how these polls should be taken into regard at all. Favorites poll, previous character polls, or anything similar should not suddenly spin heads like this one is doing. It is absolutely ridiculous how many people are suddenly having new light on the matches due to something as worthless as this.


I would absolutely love to argue a Bison/Master Hand match-up, because outside of this poll I would love to hear so much as one reason why Master Hand would be capable of winning that match. Of course, I would fully expect Master Hand to get the horrible SSBM/SSB argument that Diablo receives with Diablo II. I understand that he's in that game, but you people act as though that is good enough to propel him through some strength. I'm suspecting Diablo and Master Hand both to be weak as hell despite the fact that their games would be some of the most popular in these contests.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

It'll be interesting to see how strong Kuja really is now.


Master Hand '05
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Love the glove.
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It's just that Kuja is the best villain in the series, and the thought of him losing to a glove is sickening.

First saying good things about OoT, now saying an FF villain other than Sephiroth is the best. Have you been drunk this entire week? =p
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I found Kuja to be a dumbed down Sephiroth...sorta...

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PotD's a brought up all of them time.

No, I know they are brought up all the time. But that has not meant people use those as something serious to base things upon. Many of them have been wrong multiple times with some rare occasions coming in where they were accurate. I view them the same as I do the message board activity or actual FAQ viewing. It's all something to look at, but nothing to gain or lose confidence from.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Ok.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1284
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1558

These are two polls that were taken before the contest starts and feature some of the contestants from the contests at hand. There is nothing accurate about the first poll, or very little, and much of the second poll remains inaccurate despite the actual results. I have always failed to possibly see how these polls should be taken into regard at all. Favorites poll, previous character polls, or anything similar should not suddenly spin heads like this one is doing. It is absolutely ridiculous how many people are suddenly having new light on the matches due to something as worthless as this.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't both polls fairly accurate regarding the top choices?

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