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Heh, I just mean cliche as is user-made contests; it's EVERYWHERE, including one I made with Clinkeroth back around...October, maybe November? Looky here, as I pull it from the vault:

1-Solid Snake VS 16-Earthworm Jim
8-Fox McCloud VS 9-Tails
5-Tidus VS 12-Ness
4-Zero VS 13-Vyse
6-Magus VS 11-Revolver Ocelot
3-Master Chief VS 14-Kerrigan
7-Bowser VS 10-Vivi
2-Sonic VS 15-Conker

It's been done, alot, and I've done it already too. I figure I'd try something else that could prove to be interesting too with Solid, though it's not as high of a chance for the upset.
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...just so my post is in context, Haste2 said something along the lines of how Solid VS Ganon/Magus/Zero can't be too cliche when they haven't been done yet.
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What might be of interest is that Xbox has now broken the 18% barrier while Gamecube lingers around the 13.5% mark.
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...just so my post is in context, Haste2 said something along the lines of how Solid VS Ganon/Magus/Zero can't be too cliche when they haven't been done yet.

I posted it in the topic devoted to your bracket instead. :P

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I noticed already; I figure I'll leave it up in case it sparks some kind of discussion, since we're running dry with it like almost always right before the contest.
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not sure it someone's said it, but it's probably known anyway, but, with the gamecube, there's obviously a split in the nintendo bloc with both gba and ds being grouped together. Sure that makes the ps2 look more impressive as well, but that's ok I suppose.
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Yeah, this probably isn't the most relevant thing to say in this topic, but...

Holy crap at all that new Zelda info. It looks awesome. Hell, beyond awesome. If this doesn't end up being the best game ever made, I'm going to be disappointed. Yeah...it looks just that good. o_o
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Eh, just because one votes for the GBA/DS does not mean they would have voted for the GCN had that option not been there.

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But it's the most likely second place system for those voters.
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I'm one of the 3.5% that still primarily plays "older systems". Yay.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

But it's the most likely second place system for those voters.

I don't see why someone who voted for the GBA/DS would be "likely" to vote for the GCN based purely on the fact that they play with a Nintendo system more. Nintendo's handhelds aren't exclusive to Nintendo fans. It far exceeds their console fanbase.

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Going by how poorly older systems are doing, people seem to mainly play new games, and the GCN hasn't had any new games recently, it makes plenty of sense that it's in last. Since Star Fox Assault, the GCN's last "big" game, God of War, Jade Empire, Devil May Cry 3, and several other games have come out for PS2 and Xbox.

Let's assume that GBA/DS is taking out a good portion of the GC's votes:

Game Boy Advance/DS - 7.64% - 4398
GameCube - 13.44% - 7730
Xbox - 18.07% - 10398

We could give GC 4.5% (noticably over half; I'm being generous to prove a point) of the GBA/DS's 7.64%, and that woud still give the Xbox the advantage here by 0.13% with there still being a 3.14% portion left for the GBA/DS vote that would likely be spread pretty evenly with the rest of the systems not named GC (which'd only help Xbox). I think it's fair to accept that Xbox has beat the GC this time.
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It makes sense due to games released recently that the GameCube would be behind the Xbox. There wasn't anything released for April while Xbox got Jade Empire and still has the Halo 2 machine getting the Xbox activity.

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Plus you're comparing a system that thrives online with a system that barely touches online gaming. So even if they have equal ownership, the X-Box would probably be getting more play due to X-Box live.... The only top-selling Gamecube game that I can think of that would be getting similar kind of play is SSBM.
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The new Zelda definitely looks like it could be the best game ever. It's such a damned shame that it's being released so late in the GCN's lifespan.

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From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 4/26/2005 3:18:32 PM | Message Detail
Ansem. I expect him to be fairly close to what Sora looked like in 2k3, and I don't expect Wily to be any better off than Protoman.

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. I project Wily to be at the level of Protoman at best, and for Robutt to be even weaker than Wily; of course, Robutt's problem is that he is facing off against a weak bastard in his own right in Sin.

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Robutt's upside, rather.

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I think Ansem and Wily could have a war, though I think Dr. Wily would be a lil' stronger than Protoman. Don't be so quick to doubt Dr. Robotnik though...he may or may not come close to Tails in strength, but he has every possibility to be close/equal/higher than him until he shows otherwise, and Tails is supposed to be just above Kefka if ya follow the X-stats (though I'd go against them in a Tails/Kefka match, personally).
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Sorry to steer off the subject and I am sure you guys have already talked about this but I must have missed all those times.. =) .. Um, if Samus vs. Mario happens during the summer contest.. Would Samus surely take the win or Mario wins it with SFF..???

I know Samus is stronger when facing other opponents but if she were to face up with Mario.. Would Mario win the SFF and win the match??

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Mario would win that.

As an aside, I've now got Crono back and am just messing around before taking on Lavos with a view to not getting a kicking :-)
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I've now got Crono back and am just messing around before taking on Lavos with a view to not getting a kicking

That made absolutely no sense.

Anyway, I'm almost done my archive of the Summer 2004 results into my all-time results. I should have it done before tonight.

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I think he meant he's thinkin' he won't get whooped. Not entirely sure...

...and I'd take Samus, but if anybody outside of Clinkeroth can beat Samus, it's Mario in my book.
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He's saying that he's playing Chrono Trigger, just got back Crono, and is about to fight Lavos.

Heil Dweebenheimer!!! For I am MasterMage119!!!

He's saying that he's playing Chrono Trigger, just got back Crono, and is about to fight Lavos.

Is the right answer. I don't see how my post wasn't clear at all, especially seeing how most of my posts of recent have been CT-related... ah wells.
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I would have a hard time picking between Mario and Samus.. It'll be decided on the last day and the last hour before the bracket is closed.. =)

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I don't know why people are thinking that Mario can all of a sudden get some rSFF on Samus. Just because Samus is Nintendo doesn't mean that Nintendo fans have to like him better than Samus. Samus has become far too popular in recent years in my opinion. For Mario to be able to SFF Samus, a number of voters would have to like Samus STRICTLY because she is Nintendo. It seems to me that Samus fans are genuine.

I mean, it makes SENSE that Samus and Link would be more popular than Mario. The ONLY defense that Mario has is that he is Mr. Nintendo. However, Nintendo is not as big a player in the VG industry as it has been in the past... therefore Mario isn't as big as he has been. Not to say that Mario is getting significantly weaker, but he hasn't even been DISPLAYED as being Mr. Nintendo in the past couple of years. Samus is going in the opposite direction. Another thing to think about. Even IF hardcore Nintendo fans would vote Mario, who do you think would be more popular among the non-hardcore Nintendo fanbase? It may be close, but I don't think that Mario can muster enough to actually SFF Samus.

Hmmmm, I made the argument without even USING any contest numbers.... o_O
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I don't think Mario can. I also don't think that Crono is going to gain twice as much in one year as he has in the last two. The only character who has had the math on his side is Mega Man, and that was years ago. Frankly, I can't see Samus losing without C/L/S around.
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Since I disagree with your post, all I'm gonna say is tasteful change in sig there.
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If Samus can jump mysteriously, there's no reason why she can't fall mysteriously. I don't think her value from this year is set in stone by any means, and that's why I'd be tempted to pick the others over her.
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Samus jumped mysteriously????
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I don't think she did jump mysteriously, and assuming she did I can't imagine her falling with new games this year. Looking at the stats we're generally led to beleive that DMC2 helped Dante, so I just can't see good games (even if they are a tad underplayed according to some) would hurt Samus or allow her to drop.
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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 4/27/2005 4:11:10 PM | #231
If Samus can jump mysteriously, there's no reason why she can't fall mysteriously. I don't think her value from this year is set in stone by any means, and that's why I'd be tempted to pick the others over her.

She actually had her worst outing against Cloud last year, if you ask me. With 5 matches to judge from, that was no fluke.
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I didn't say it was a fluke. I'm saying that there was no reason for her to go up, after she didn't budge at all in 2k3. As far as "games automatically mean increases," I'm pretty sure Sonic got a game in between 2k2 and 2k3 and he still went down. Same deal with Shadow from 2k3 to 2k4 (presumably), Jill decreasing despite the REmake, and especially Sam Fisher. Will Echoes have an effect? Hard to say. Prime didn't, after all, and Echoes hasn't been as well received as Prime, despite being a better game.
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I really don't understand how how someone can expect Mario to beat Samus. Samus winning certainly isn't guaranteed, but she would have to be the favorite; a light favorite if nothing else. The whole "Nintendo" thing makes no sense given that Link already crushed Mario, as therealmnm said.
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Link is a whole different ballgame from Samus. And look at how Mario's games performed in comparison to Samus's. Samus as a character might be stronger overall, but Mario's games seem to have more favor than hers. It could make a difference head-to-head.

And don't bring up Mario 3 vs. LoZ because that's a completely different thing. Mario 3 has aged better than any game in history.
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I think Slow is right, that match was a fluke. Let's look at what we had in 2k3 with her here, though. I have some interesting things to say of it.

Jill - Both dropped proportionately in 2k3. If you don't think Tidus/Shadow is a coincidence then this has to say something to you. Like Ratchet She was too close to Samus to say.

Ratchet - Same division in 2k4, as well. Perhaps that's saying something...

Squall - Who knows, he got a potential SFF match this last year.

Crash - Went up in 2k4, even though he may have suffered under the proposed "solid **** factor"

KOS-MOS - Nearly unchanged, but up none-the-less.

Luigi - Down less than KOS went up and he had potential double SSF from the Link-Yoshi-Luigi chain in 2k4.

So then. From what we've seen to conclude that Samus wasn't SFF'd in 2k3 you have to look at two characters who were sff'd in 2k4, two who went up and two who went down but remained close to Samus. If, like Slow, you believe that Cloud vs. Samus was an irregularity you must automatically exclude every character that wasn't SFFed except Crash who went up under some fairly bad circumstances.

Assumption - Cloud knocked Samus down by enough to drop Ratchet, Jill and KOS-MOS down a noticable amount. KOS-MOS, therefore, actually improved more than the XSt says while Ratchet and Jill were likely unchanged resulting in them losing 2-3%. This would put KOS-MOS close to Yoshi. It'd also put Sonic over Mario and Ryu over Zero. Sure, a lot of it is hard to swallow... It'd still put Sam at a noticable decline and Lara at a huge loss. Obviously there are reasons why it comes off as looking wrong... there are also reasons why it looks right.

Conclussion: Who the **** knows! All I know is that one of the people who is quickest to say that evidence shows that Samus wasn't SFF'd in 2k3 is one of the people who without realizing believes all the evidence contrary to that possibilty is essentially voided.
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Link is a whole different ballgame from Samus.

The supposed logic is the same. It doesn't make much sense to believe that Mario would win just because Samus is Nintendo too. If that mattered he would've benefitted some against Link too--Link is more identified with Nintendo than Samus anyway. Samus is a very different character than the Nintendo mascots.

And look at how Mario's games performed in comparison to Samus's. Samus as a character might be stronger overall, but Mario's games seem to have more favor than hers. It could make a difference head-to-head.

This doesn't really matter.
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Mario 3 has aged better than any game in history.

I'd argue Starcraft. I don't see anyone making six figures per year to play Mario 3.

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Let's see how long that lasts before we say StarCraft has aged better than Mario 3.
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I have decided to get into StarCraft for reasons unrelated to what Ulti just said.

StarCraft isn't really old enough to have aged yet... I dunno, 8 years or so just doesn't seem too much...
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Speaking of Starcraft, I've been thinkin' about tryin' to play it again...but I'm gonna wait until after my finals next week before I do, heh.

By the way, this is off-topic, but I've been playing Star Fox: Assault...I'm three or four levels into it, and I'm not greatly impressed. I'm loving the old-school Arwing spots so far, but the tank shoots too slow for me to like it much and goin' Rambo reminds me an awful lot of Star Wars: Battlefield. I'm having fun with it, but it's lacking thus far; I'll have to give it more time.
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I loved SW:B. :(

It played like Battlefield, except without the boredom of WWII.
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I had fun with SW:B too...as long as I didn't play it for more than 30-45 minutes at a time. It got repetitive on me, and I hope that doesn't happen with SF:Ass too.
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i can't believe anyone would think it's not possible for a character's popularity to fluctuate. case in point - look at Kirby vs. Jill Valentine. way back in 2002, Jill beat Kirby with 53.3% of the vote. in 2003, Kirby actually performed a little better than Jill. then, in 2004's Contest, Kirby was significantly higher than Jill. and even if you have zero faith in the x-stats, how many of you would honestly take Jill over Kirby in a rematch this year?

characters can and do fluctuate in popularity, especially with notable things like new games and constant lack of exposure. and i see no reason why even the more powerful characters like Samus and Mario should be immune to changes in popularity.

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If this were still 2k3 I'd take Jill regardless of what the stats say. If you haven't noticed, there seems to be some weird thing with Samus getting her ass beat worse than it should against the big boys. Of course, it's two years later and I think that she has legitimately lost osme strength since then.
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Or the big boys gained. Either way.
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They gained but only showed it against Samus? Hardly likely.
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eh, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for Samus to drop after having more great games released, but anything is within the realm of possibility. more than anything, though, the characters' fluctuating popularity is most likely a result of the constantly changing voter pool than anything the character did or appeared in.

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