If you consider being doubled and then a percent or two, then sure, it'll be close.

Heil Dweebenheimer!!! For I am MasterMage119!!!

For Wily vs. Ocelot. >.>

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Meanwhile, Dr. Robotnik's been thrown at us over and over again...in each Sonic game. He was in four of the Genesis's biggest titles alot (obviously Sonic 1, 2 [packed with the Genesis for awhile], 3, and S&K) as well as several spin-offs (a great puzzle game, a so-so pinball game, etc.)...

You take that back! Sonic Spinball was AWESOME!
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I might be giving Wily too much credit, but I'm not suspecting Ocelot to be a major force to begin with. He will not be at or above Liquid Snake and if Sigma/Ocelot ever went down, I would be very inclined to pick Sigma. I know that isn't Wily, but I'm just setting the ground on who I wouldn't/would take over Ocelot. I'm not expecting a 50-50 match or anything, but around a 55-45 with Ocelot/Wily. Maybe I'm just blind by bias, but I cannot possibly see Wily being weak enough to get killed by Ocelot.

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Wily is going to kill Ultros. <.<

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

Oh, I think Ocelot will be strong is why.

Heil Dweebenheimer!!! For I am MasterMage119!!!

Never said Ocelot = LS, just saying that I don't think Wily can beat Vercetti but I think Ocelot can.
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You take that back! Sonic Spinball was AWESOME!

NEVER!!!


If the site's never advertised before for neither Mega Man nor Zero, why are they goin' to advertise now for Dr. Wily and Sigma?

Yes, a Revolver/Sigma match would be a sight to see. I'd love to see that match, even if I care NONE for Sigma and minimal for Revolver...I'd take Revolver, but it'd be a good one.
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They've advertised for Mega Man and Zero in the past.

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Ah, nevermind then...out of curiousity, do you know what matches they advertised for?
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Wat up Ulti

Stop da violence and increase the peace

Word to your mother

They usually advertise for every match that they are involved in.

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“If history is to change, let it change. If the world is to be destroyed, so be it. If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh.”

And if you were paying attention that day, Shadow won the final twelve or so hours in the poll. He may have only taken 300 votes off of Tidus's lead, but Shadow still won a demographic dominated by Square.

If you consider going 50/50 "winning," then whatever. During Sega's big time of the day, Shadow did absolutely nothing. What's your point?
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Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

Oh, and Tidus won that match because of the night vote. Granted, it was the first night vote, but he still "dominated" the early portion of the match, as I'm sure you would put it since you consider a 58-42 match Sonic's "utter destruction" of Tidus.
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Or maybe I'm Leonhart. That's for you to decide.

I think Wily>Sigma. Most MMX fans know that Wily is responsible for creating the Maverick virus and Zero, and would support him.

I also suspect that MM characters are weaker in the nomination process than in the actual voting process. Basically MM's support is broad but shallow, while the nomination process favors cultish characters with deep but narrow support. We have evidence for this, Zero has routinely been underseeded, no MM games made the last Spring Contest, and Megaman and (if you believe X-Stats) possibly ServBot were underseeded in 2002. It's possible that Wily is underseeded, believe it or not.

I'm actually taking Wily over Bowser, although I feel I'm reaching with that. I have no doubt about Wily>Ocelot.

Leon, utter destruction is an inside joke. Remember SSBM/MGS2? Now I just call anything breaking 57% such, because it's funny.

And meh, I went with Robutt and I'm not turning back. Great cases can be made for both characters in the match, so it's a coin flip. I got heads.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Assume for a moment that Ruin comes down to Kefka, Wesker, and Bison.

As tempting as it is to pick Bison to win that little three pack, I oubt he can do it (and god DAMN, do I wish it were possible). Kefka's 2004 Xst number may be inflated due to Knuckles' slight overperformance against Solid Snake, but this is likely canceled out by the fact that Snake bombed harder than a Stinger missile in that contest; but still, Bison would have to be above the level of Scorpion or Ken to be able to touch Kefka. I doubt it.

In fact, Wesker is a much tougher opponent than Bison. Logic SHOULD state that Wesker needs to be as strong as Jill to be able to beat Kefka, but in the case of Jill, I doubt the Xsts hold any value at all. She bombed like hell in Summer 2004, and I think that her "true" number (whatever it is) is slightly higher than what we currently see. Stick her in a rematch with Ryu H with more even seeding, and she'd win without any trouble at all.

Summary: The closer Wesker gets to Kefka, the more likely it is that Kefka will win the division if he holds on and wins that match. Wesker may very well be the big threat to Kefka in that division, because in a division of weak bastards, the characters who are playable have a huge advantage over the rest. I doubt Bison can touch Wesker or Kefka, but Resident Evil 4 could screw us all by the time this contest ends.

The thought of an RE character in the Final Four is horrid, by the way. I'm not a fan of the series. Here's hoping that there is a massive dropoff in the popularity of RE characters after Jill Valentine, Claire Redfield, and Leon Kennedy.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

I dunno about you, but RE4 singlehandedly revitalized my interest in the series. Hopefully the sequels are done RE4 style from now on.

That said, I don't think RE4 is quite the best game ever that many people are touting it to be. But there's no denying that it's excellent.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Zero has routinely been underseeded

In 2k3, it was just his first year, so being under-seeded can be expected. In 2k4, he TECHNICALLY should have been a three-seed, sure...but he was a four-seed. Bbbiiiggg difference; that's plenty close enough.
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Ulti, what's your reasoning for Bison over Diablo? That seems like your most interesting pick to me...

...and "Robutt" should have been tails, simply for synonym's sake.
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Both Ridley and Diablo are weak as hell. I have no real proof of this; just a hunch.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Fair enough. I've said it several times already, but, here's my hunch...

Ridley >or= Diablo >or= Kefka >or= M. Bison

...though if M. Bison does get to Kefka somehow (or Wesker, though doubtful), I'd wanna switch to Bison real quick; I think I'd be under-estimating him before I'd be over-estimating Ridley or Diablo.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1446

Sin is a solid third, for whatever that's worth.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

I just got to counting...considering last summer's contest had a cap of ten characters per company in the 64-character tourney, I split it in half for this contest. Nintendo has seven villains and Square has six (seven if you count Ansem). Think CJay just let them slip in for such a short unique contest, or is this a potential sign of an increased/removed cap?

Food for thought.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=582

Eww eww eww eww.

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If Sin is essentially tripled by Kefka, I don't see how Kuja would be so likely to pass Kefka up, personally. I know it's just asking for your #1 favorite and has quite afew characters, so the poll may or may not mean all that much...but with Sephiroth dominating and Kefka holding a steady second, I think it's got enough right about it to at least take seriously.

Removing Sephiroth and adding Kuja would make it worth alot more, of course, heh, but for now it's good enough for me.
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On a side note: I am now a college graduate!!!! Computer & Electrical Engineering. What a ride.... I just got out of my hangover not too long ago and now it gets to marinate.

Touching on a few things in this topic:

1. That Sin vs. Robotnik match will be a clinical case on franchise voting. I can see Robotnik actually having fans. He's been a major face in Sonic games since the beginning and has a presence in the cartoons and is even playable. How MANY fans he has and how well liked he is in general is the question. Sin is another situation entirely. Who in their right mind actually is a FAN of Sin? I say 95% of ANY votes that Sin gets is ENTIRELY due to him being in FFX. Point blank. But I can hardly see even FFX fans feeling entitled to vote for him...

2. Seeing people argue about Kefka's strength in relation to his game makes me want to bring up something. Recognizability. The thing about Kefka is that even though FFVI may be a popular game, Kefka isn't a character that is highly recognizable. He's like an anti-Sephiroth. Sephiroth is so recognizable that even those that have played FFVII for just a little bit would know who he is. Not the same for Kefka. And to top it off, he hasn't even gotten a pic in his most recognizable form (sprite). Whatever support he has gotten is almost entirely name recognition. Ryu Hayabusa has a similar situation. I just saw UltimaterializerX say that Jill would win a rematch against Ryu... But I don't even think Ryu was at full strength. How many people know Ryu from DoA 2 as opposed to Ninja Gaiden? Ryu is infinitesimally more recognizable in Ninja form. I'm certain that there were people who didn't know who he was that would have recognized him in Ninja form. Yes, you don't have to have played a game to like a character from it. Anyways, I'm beginning to drift. My point is that recognizability plays a more important part than some people give credit for. It's one thing to say that someone will get more or less votes based on who has the pic "advantage". It's another when a said character can be totally unrecognizable to a voter based on the pic used.
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Robutt doesn't seem to have any fans at all, while Sin quite clearly has his share of fans. He's not as unrecognizable as you might think, whereas Robutt is like the Donkey Kong of the Sonic series. Everyone knows who he is, but who cares enough about him to vote for him?

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*raises hand* I am a fan of Dr. Robotnik. I don't know how many others there are like me, but I'd like to think there's enough. About being recognizable though...it'd be VERY interesting to see if Kefka actually gains strength as he progresses through-out the contest, making him inconsistent.
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Every entity in one of these things gets a little stronger as the contest progresses. At least, that's my opinion.

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Don't tell Scorpion that.
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Who's your least favorite Sonic Adventure series character?Amy 15.6% 1833
Big 23.57% 2770
Dr. Robotnik/Eggman 14.31% 1681
E-102 8.27% 972
Knuckles 7.64% 898
Rouge 4.57% 537
Shadow 4.9% 576
Sonic 11.23% 1320
Tails 9.91% 1164
TOTAL VOTES 11751

W. T. F.
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Sonic with 11%?
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Volgin is one sexy beast....

Hmmmmm, 3rd place at 6% of the votes doesn't seem like many fans to me. And like I said before, any support that Sin would get would be franchise voting anyways. Show me a topic where someone is talking about how cool Sin is or how much they like him and I'd be pleasantly surprised. I'm not saying that Robotnik is popular and whatnot, but I'm sure a lot of people would vote for him against Sin. It's just the eminent threat of franchise voting that makes me think a bit. But Robotnik ought to get some kind of franchise voting as well to counterbalance that. And Yuna makes a franchise vote ceiling apparent. I couldn't see Sin coming CLOSE to her in popularity, and Yuna is no powerhouse in her own right.

Every entity in one of these things gets a little stronger as the contest progresses. At least, that's my opinion.

I couldn't agree more. I've seen a lot of people assume that most voters are those who just click and are done with it. But I can ASSURE you that there are many voters that are keeping up with the contest. Voters may see a certain character gaining momentum (e.g. Frog, Cloud 2k3) and rallying behind the character so that he can do well in the contest. That's my reasoning behind Sonic getting his ass handed to him in 2k3 and why Frog may have done so well against Snake. In the case of Frog, I can see a LOT of people figuring he would lose to Snake anyways, so why not give him a vote to go out in glory? Trust me, I was the same way in 2k2 as I did not have a bracket. I still followed the contest until the end. Voters DO follow what is going on in the contest....
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Can we chalk Crono under that, too?
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Both Ridley and Diablo are weak as hell. I have no real proof of this; just a hunch.

If you mean below top 32, I'd agree... >_>


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The Summer 2002 Contest was great. I remember my final four being Mario, Crono, Link, and Mega Man with Mario and Link in the finals.

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Prety sure that's what he meant with it, but I'm not terribly sure.

Hey Mumei, I saw ya were wantin' to get ahold of me afew days ago. Sorry for bein' late on that, but I'm here now; what'cha' needing?
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I was around then, though I didn't fill out a bracket in time...but I would have had Mario, Solid, Link, and Sonic or Mega Man in my final four, with Mario winning it all.
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I had te same Final Four as HM, just with Crono over Link in the finals.

Anywya, I agree that voters are paying attention, but not enough for their memoreies to be clear. What I mean by this is that they will remember that Ryu H beat Jill, but they wont necessarily remember that it was close so they'll be even more inclined to pick Hayabusa a second time. If it was an expected loss it wont hurt them much, but if they were expected to win they will likely sink. An example of that is Scorpion who went so far one year only to lose round 1 the next. Not taking into consideration how well Zero did the next round against Sonic wouldn't you then consider Scorpion a dissappointment too? That means you don't favor him in your bracket and you don't vote for him.
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An example of that is Scorpion who went so far one year only to lose round 1 the next. Not taking into consideration how well Zero did the next round against Sonic wouldn't you then consider Scorpion a dissappointment too? That means you don't favor him in your bracket and you don't vote for him.

I remember that happening to me exactly...in fact, neither Scorpion nor MK has won a match since 2k2. Very disappointing, indeed. We're just "fortunate" enough to care about how Zero did the next round to realize that it's not so much a disappointing performance by Scorpion as it was an unfortunate seeding situation. Had our 10-seeded Scorpion faced any of the other 7-seeds that year (KOS-MOS, Gordon Freeman, or Lara Croft), it could have been a different situation for him completely.

That's just how the cookie crumbles. </Bruce Almighty>
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Oh no, I was talking about a character gaining strength in the SAME contest. Kinda like a Cinderella/bandwagon NCAA type of thing.
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The best example would be Starcraft. It went from being the little 16 seed that could into an absolute monster.

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It still pains me like no other that it beat Halo.

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The best example would be Starcraft. It went from being the little 16 seed that could into an absolute monster.

that was so close, so close.

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Starcarft's an evil evil bastard, I tell ya...

...oh yeah, and vote for CATS. Next topic in about four more posts, please.
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If Sin is essentially tripled by Kefka, I don't see how Kuja would be so likely to pass Kefka up, personally

Because it's Sin, not Seymour. Stop acting like Sin is something special.
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Another stats topic in the books.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Truly.

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I won't get 500.
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