As for Sin, his ONLY redeeming value is from being in one of the 3 best selling FFs. He has no personality, and his whole backstory insists that he's a mindless weapon that only exists by assimilating people.

Crono.

Whenever it EVER occurs to you to consider a character's strength based on his personality, remember Crono.

I don't think Lavos or Sin will be especially strong (at least, they won't be near the top six of Seph/Ganon/Bowser/Liquid/Ocelot/Kefka), but I think that in this contest, they will challenge and perhaps even win a match or two. It doesn't matter that they have no personality. It only matters that they're in a popular game, and they're a pretty big part of the story.

Perhaps sales and company are weak arguments on GameFAQs, but it very much matters what games the character in question are in. The main villain of a game from GTA, or Metroid, or FF, or CT, etc. will not be CATS weak, especially with the matchups they have in this tournament.
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There's a huge difference between Crono and those two. If you can't tell what that is I'm afaid I don't have the time to waste explaining it. I gotta get ready to go, after all.
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Lavos and Sin should rank comfortably above CATS.

Agreed.

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It's good to know I can still get a page or so out of you people jus tby posting something random that I don't even completely support. You're all so easy.
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There's a huge difference between Crono and those two. If you can't tell what that is I'm afaid I don't have the time to waste explaining it. I gotta get ready to go, after all.

yeah, those other two characters don't look like Goku.

seriously, other than his looks and the game he is from, what other reasons could anyone have for liking of Crono? his in-game stats? his mom is hot? he has a cat? c'mon.

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seriously, other than his looks and the game he is from, what other reasons could anyone have for liking of Crono? his in-game stats? his mom is hot? he has a cat? c'mon.

First off, allow me to say that Crono rocks. His lack of dialogue doesn't make him any less likable than someone such as Mario or Link. Crono does, in fact, have a personality that you can see throughout Chrono Trigger and has that adventurous spirit and the caring of others. I'm sure some like the way he looks, and he does look cool, but there are certainly reasons for liking him, just as there are reasons for liking any character.

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Now, now HM... don't bother trying to speak reason with people. Some people will always believe the Crono has nothing going for him, no matter what you do to persuade them otherwise. Some people don't realize that actions speak louder than words, or that Crono speaks but they never put the dialogue on screen. Some people hate characters for looking cool, and maybe some people like giant monster bosses with no redeeming values. I bet that those people make up a very small fraction of the people who play those games, though.

Oh, and so you all know, I'd vote Crono over any other CT character, and if you think there's a problem wiht that you can shove off.
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I've said this before, but I'll say it again anyway, Ansem is going to do better on Ganon than most think. Perhaps not super suprisingly well, but, for the little grape value it's worth, ansem does not have nearly as much hate as Sora does.
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Oh, and so you all know, I'd vote Crono over any other CT character, and if you think there's a problem wiht that you can shove off.

Same here. I place him above any other CT character. Hell, I place him above a vast majority of the characters out there in general.

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you guys can love Crono all you want and i won't fault you for that, but i have never felt he was an outstanding character. i am not completely opposed to the whole silent protagonist thing, but nothing Crono ever did ever struck me as noteworthy except for the one scene with the Mammon Machine. everything else he did was with the entire party as a whole. he just seemed like he happened to be in the right place to save the world at the right time. anyone else in his place could have done the same thing.

i will admit that i liked Crono more than Serge, though. Serge did even less than Crono.

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Leonhart? Leonhart?! LEOOONNNNHAAAAART!
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Jesus Christ, I give up. I'm going to stop arguing with you.
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This isn't stats topic related per se, (I hope that's how you spell that?) but does anyone know if the spread betting contest is being run by someone? We must have that one in here, too.
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Anybody know what happened to Leonhart? Holy moly...

...and, bluntly, Sin or Lavos >> CATS. Book it.
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Red XII impersoanted Shake over AIM and asked Leonhart4 for an account. After reciving the account, Red XII suicided it. Leonhart4 was axed in the process.
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****in' Red. It was enough that he got XIII is cool banned (and he's not among, say, my top ten faves here even), but doin' that to one of the smartest guys and my personal favorite here is a whole 'nother thing.

Hot damn, Imma get mad.....
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argh, leonhart is banned?

well, the account may be destroyed, but he can come back right? if he makes a new one?
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He's IP-banned, so I think he has to log on from a different computer IP every time he wants to use the boards here. Correct me if I'm wrong though.
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well, the account may be destroyed, but he can come back right? if he makes a new one?

He can come back. I know he has made a few posts on Heroic Alt. I'm not sure if he's sticking with that account or making a new one.

He's IP-banned, so I think he has to log on from a different computer IP every time he wants to use the boards here. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Fortunatly, you're wrong. He might have trouble making a new account, but should have no problems posting.
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Just decided to look before my Statistics exam...but Mega Man has been gettin' more and more bracket-faith year by year (we knew this, but still)...

Well, it's pretty clear people had more faith in Mega Man in '04 than '03, but it's still pretty unclear between '03 and '02. Sure, more people predicted MMan to beat Resetti than Ms. Pac-Man, but MMan was a 2-seed in 2003, as opposed to a 6-seed in 2002. Good point about new bracket predictors having an effect (I've thought about it, too). From 2002 to 2003, the number of predictions more than doubled, but from 2003 to 2004 they actually decreased. So, I think a majority of 2003's predictors predicted again in 2004.

Ghaleon, Mithos, Ramirez, and Luca Blight.
Mm...Mithos > Ghaleon > Ramirez > Luca Blight, maybe. Ghaleon is easily the most hyped non-Square villain ever. Wait, Chichiri thinks Mithos is the weakest? Well, I never played ToS... Okay, then, Ghaleon wins.

Sorry for all that happened, Leonhart...just, um, don't do something like that again.

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Red XII impersoanted Shake over AIM and asked Leonhart4 for an account. After reciving the account, Red XII suicided it.

That's awful. Why would someone do something like that? Is this guy known as some kind of *******?
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Because they can. And yeah, Red XII isn't exactly what you would call a model user.
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Ramirez - This guy just isn't Vyse. Sure, he's cooler

...What?

Most SoA fans I've seen here seem to prefer Vyse, and Ramirez is possibly the lamest villain except maybe Mr. DARKNESS in the contest.
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Don't know how it is among the SoA community, but I've seen way more Ramirez fanboys on this board than Vyse fanboys, actually.
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Most of those Ramirez fans I've seen like Vyse more. I'm not exactly in touch with the SoA community myself, though I do <3 the game.

Even so, I see many more Magus fans than Crono fans here, and... ;_;
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Read Steve Illumina Speaks on the Pub Trivia board today :)

Can you post a link to it?
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=579093&topic=20355708

Is the link to Steve Illumina Speaks on my hometown board, where it wont be lost in the shuffle of mindless contests, lame fads, and stupid crap that clutters Board 8...

Also once the contest starts I will put my daily 'speakin' here as well, so the regulars can read it daily with all the other stuff on this, the greatest of threads on this here newbie filled board.
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Don't know how it is among the SoA community, but I've seen way more Ramirez fanboys on this board than Vyse fanboys, actually.

this board rarely as the same opinion as the rest of Gamefaqs. you should know that, creativename. if this board had it's way, Sephiroth would not be a guaranteed win against anyone and CATS would easily make the Final Four.

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Chichiri: That's nice and all that, but I'm thinking the only one CATS will actually outrank here will be Pyramid Head.
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I do believe he will outrank Giygas as well, but we shall see.

Only one more week! Talk about the calm before the storm...

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I'm very confident Giygas will do worse than Pyramid Head; even if he doesn't, look as these fun 2k3 stats...

55 - Ness - 15.44%
56 - CATS - 13.52%

...that was when a SSB/M-supported Ness (star of EB, no less) was considered to be an upset special against the 5-seeded Bowser, and wound up being SFF'd hard. Imagine what will happen when the not-endorsed-by-SSB/M Giygas (villain of EB) with almost literally no bracket-support or faith faces the 1-seeded Ganondorf.

Personally, I'm likely over-estimating him a lil' bit, but I figure Pyramid Head would do to Bowser about what Ness did; I don't think he can avoid the tripling, but I feel good in saying he'll surely be stronger than Guybrush.
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I agree with everything HaRRiCH said...yes.

Who would you pick between Vergil and Officer Tenpenny? (I'd guess Tenpenny...he was in multiple games, while Vergil was in just one, right?)

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Tenpenny's just in GTA:SA. I'd make the guess of Vergil, though I think the board's under-estimating Tenpenny in general pretty bad.
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Actually, I'm fairly sure at least 2-3 will be below CATS.
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Hi guys. Not much to say. Just letting you know I'm still around, though in limited fashion.
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IIRC, Chrono Trigger outsold Tales of Symphonia and Skies of Arcadia + Legends combined.
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Well, since Chronicles only sold 240k I'm doubting that CT did that without Chronicles. In fact. I'm not sure it did it even if you do include Chronicles.
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IIRC, Chrono Trigger outsold Tales of Symphonia and Skies of Arcadia + Legends combined.

Selling two million copies will do that.

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I'm interested in seeing how Luca Blight ranks in the end, as this year, he gets to measured through weak opponents rather than a Near-Elite. Same with Ansem for measuring CATS. Well, I'm not saying Wesker and Ansem are really weak (for this contest, anyway), but they won't be nearly as strong as Ryu or Magus. As sad as it sounds, I'm expecting them to rank even worse than before.

As for all the characters that I'd consider to have the SLIGHTEST chance of being below CATS:

Pyramid Head
Ramirez
Mithos
Luca Blight
Giygas

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Are me and Slowflake the only two people with Kefka winning the Ruin Division?

Personally, I think this contest will be made up of a lot of possible upsets, but other than the first round, there won't be many to speak of. Of course, I could be proved wrong.

And to dredge up Kuja again, personally I see him as being slightly below Kefka, possibly equal.

I see Terra being roughly at the level of undadjusted Vivi (From what I hear FFIX brings in a lot of old-school support, so I don't there was much SFF in the match.) If the two most popular characters in their respective games are equal (for whatever reason; be it BMF or whatever else) than I can see the two villains being equal at the most as well.
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No, we're not alone...

1 Kefka Palazzo 31
7 Diablo 25
2 Ridley 23
5 Albert Wesker 3
6 Mike Bison 3
3 Albedo Piasora 1

That's the BOP picks for that match. The Diablo and Ridley pickers are just a lot louder, that's all.
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Those statistics are misleading. Kefka's half of the bracket has very little that can threaten Kefka. Ridley and Diablo have to deal with each other. As a result they are splitting the number of brackets that have Kefka losing.
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The only match that itches me is Sin vs Robotnik...Square will come through! Just like it did for Sora!

By the prophecy, Dweebenheimer or whatever!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, and Ramza/Yuna too!
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Yeah, because Robotnik is on the level of Kirby and Knuckles. I didn't expect Ramza to win that match. If you want to make an argument for a Final Fantasy game being a little too cult, it's Tactics, not FFIX.
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Sin isn't exactly on the level of Yuna or Ramza.
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As a result they are splitting the number of brackets that have Kefka losing.

That doesn't necessarily means those that picked Ridley to win the division would have Diablo over Kefka, nor would that apply to those who predicted Diablo to take it. I expect that more than half of those who had Ridley or Diablo as the division champ would have Kefka as being the 2nd strongest.

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I didn't say Tai's argument was anything solid either, but I don't think we should be comparing this match to other matches. The results are a bit too varied for something like that, though that was a bit of HaRRicH's point.
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Sin isn't exactly on the level of Yuna or Ramza.
No, but closer than you think. Kind of like how Wario is closer to Luigi or Yoshi than we originally thought.

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