I was also going to mention Shadow. As I've said many times in past topics, I would expect Shadow to be the strongest rep from Final Fantasy VI; stronger than Kefka.

Haste2:
Now that you talked about Mog...you think he'd have some sort of "Moogle" factor going for him?

Absolutely.

cyko:
i really do think Mog could draw from both a "cuteness" factor and a Moogle factor from being one of the icons of the entire Final Fantasy series. Mog was a pretty cool character on his own and people not familiar with his character very well could vote for him just for being cute or being a moogle.

Exactly.
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Just decided to look before my Statistics exam...but Mega Man has been gettin' more and more bracket-faith year by year (we knew this, but still)...


2002: faced Ms. Pac-Man; had 94.08% of the brackets behind him.
2003: faced Mr. Resetti; had 95.61% of the brackets behind him.
2004: faced Earthworm Jim; had 97.47% of the brackets behind him.

2002: faced Serious Sam; had 84.66% of the brackets behind him.
2003: faced Zelda; had 52.18% of the brackets behind him.
2004: faced Tidus; had 70.14% of the brackets behind him.

2003: faced Tommy Vercetti; had 31.11% of the brackets behind him.
2004: faced Zero; had 52.73% of the brackets behind him.

2003: faced Solid Snake; had 14.53% of the brackets behind him.
2004: faced Solid Snake; had 31.34% of the brackets behind him.


...I'm gonna be late for my class if I elaborate, but I wanna point out how much his faith has jumped; lord knows time isn't helping the Mega Man series much, so maybe this can be a sign of how many people stay from year to year? Just a theory that I don't have much faith in, but it's worth tossing out there.

Got'sta go.
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Shadow is middle of the pack at best.

And Diablo >>> the Ruin Division.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Master Hand suffers from, as do many other villains, from "the-guy-at-the-end-that-you-fight" syndrome, basically meaning that he's a boss fight and little else. I highly doubt that anyone is going to be rallying behind him like they did StarCraft, which is my same logic for choosing Ridley over Diablo.

That's not bad logic at all, though Ridley suffers from a similar problem. Ridley is THE villain in the Metroid series, yet outside of a few scans in Metroid Prime, you would never know that he's the leader of the Space Pirates in the first place.

Personally, if you're going to use that logic, your best bet would be to have Kefka winning that division.

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Personally, if you're going to use that logic, your best bet would be to have Kefka winning that division.

True enough...but, I have Ridley winning the division, so I don't completely agree with said logic.
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Isn't Mother Brain THE villian in the Metroid series? At least she's the last boss in the classic Metroid games. (I haven't cleared any of the new Metroid games)

Anyway I think that both Ridley and Diablo is getting more credit then they deserve, I can see Bison beating any of them in a close one, and I'm totaly confident that Kefka will take his division.



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Bison (and/or Albedo, maybe) very well could be one to contend with; here's my thoughts...

Ridley >or= Diablo >or= Kefka >or= M. Bison

...if I've got a decent idea of their strength (which I like to think I do, heh), M. Bison should give either Ridley or Diablo a big scare, but I don't see either of them losing in the second round. Also, just for the record, I'm more confident that Kefka > M. Bison than I am that Diablo > Kefka or Ridley > Diablo, so take that as you will...but again, M. Bison should be able to give a good scare and COULD pull off the big upset.
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It looks like my beef in this contest is going to be with Chichi.

Who do you have between Robotnik, Sin, and Kuja?
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...and Master Hand.
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There's no need to include Master Hand because Chichiri has already gone on record as saying he has no chance.
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Master hand is a ****ing joke. Forget him.
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Isn't Mother Brain THE villian in the Metroid series? At least she's the last boss in the classic Metroid games. (I haven't cleared any of the new Metroid games)

If by "THE" villain, you mean final villain, then yes. Ridley's always been a more memorable boss fight. Apart from that spoiler in Super Metroid, you could use the same rationale for calling Mother Brain fodder (it's just a brain!) as Master Hand (it's just a glove!).
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If the best villain in the FF series loses to a damned glove, I will lose all faith in humanity.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

What Ulti said.

And Mother Brain is going to get drilled by Lavos, too. Nobody cares about it enough to vote for it. Pretty much the same could be said for Lavos, too, but at least he provided some cool moments in Chrono Trigger.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

I think the debate is somewhat mixed between two concepts.

It's one thing to argue that Master Hand isn't a joke character. I'm sure he can beat a number of the characters that have been in this contest.

It's another thing to say that he can top a MAJOR Final Fantasy Villain. That's saying not only will Master Hand take FULL support of the SSBM fanbase, but that he will also be strong enough to fight off the dedicated Square fanbase. Contrary to what people may THINK, FFIX is NOT obscure by any means.... Just because we haven't seen Kuja doesn't mean he is weak. Think about Tifa or someone else in this contest. Look what Vivi did.... I could go on and on. Don't get your arguments about Master Hand twisted....
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Nah, Mother Brain is a generation too late... The only way she has a chance against Lavos is if they use a picture from Captain N.... LIKE THIS!!!

http://www.x-entertainment.com/pics3/cn14.jpg

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Kuja > Robotnik > Sin

In fact, I'm guessing Kuja to be inbetween Vivi and Kefka. That'd make an almost indisputable 6th place in this contest. I See Robotnik as weaker than Tails and Wiley as being higher than Protoman so they can duke it out for 8th place with Ansem. Everyone did a top 8 awhile bak, I'll take that a step further now.

Tier 0
Sephiroth

Tier 1
Ganon
Liquid Snake
Bowser
Revolver Ocelot

Tier 1.5
Kuja

Tier 2
Kefka
Ansem
Robotnik
Wiley

I hat doing speculative tier lists, but this shows clearly how I'm rating each character. Some of you may look baffled about Ansem being so high, but some of you have far too little respect and there's nobody to argue it with you because he has Rd 1 bye and a round 2 auto-loss no matter what. Frankly, with Sora as high as he is I wouldn't be surprised if Ansem could beat Kefka. That said, Kefka has one thing to look forward to: Sin, Lavos, and Ultros will all be below him in the stats, no more last place among squares for Kefka.

High note: I think this summer's contest will be a hero contest, no villains allowed. If that's the case the contest loses Sephiroth and Kefka opening up room for other characters. Maybe Aeris and a new FF6 rep? Whatcha all think?
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Have you entered the Spring Contest yet?
Yes, and I plan on winning 9.84% 1943
Yes, but I don't like my chances 11.58% 2288
Not yet, but I will very soon 8.93% 1763
No, it just doesn't interest me 20.33% 4015
Contest? What contest? 49.33% 9743
TOTAL VOTES 19752

This confirms something that I've been wondering about for a while. It is clear that roughly half of GameFAQs can't read.
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Yes, but not any moreso than in any other year. These polls always result in a roughly 50% "wha?" turnout.

Oh, and my guesses for this summer would be:

1. Games Contest (mixed divisions) - huzzah!
2. No Former Champs Character Battle (no Big Three) - also huzzah!
3. Sidekicks Contest (no vils/main heroes) - meh
4. Heroes Contest - nooooooooo

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Summer has become the traditional "character contest" so I think we cna rule out a games contest. If Ceej was going to do both a game contest and a villain contest he'd have had the games contest in the spring since that's when it was last year.

The only reason I can see for having a villains contest is a "just 'cause" for people that want to see what it'd be like or to make room for new blood in the big show. Every year the number of new competitors has been more than halved. One of the reasons why 2k3 was so exciting was because half of the field was brand new, and while none of them were champion material that still made for a lot more unpredictable matches then 2k4 could have provided regardless of how the bracket was arranged.

Just to make it clear, however, when I said "Hero" contest what I meant to imply was "no-villain" contest. 7 of the villains in this contest have been in the big show before, and at least one of them is a top draw for the contest. If those characters were removed for no good reason just so half a dozen new scrubs could make it to the contest it'd upset a lot of people. Give them their own contest and people won't be able to complain nearly as much. In fact the one with the biggest following will win giving them more reason to rejoice than to lament his absence in the summer.

So yeah, that's 7 extra slots, all but one of I'd pretty much guarentee would have been unaviable for filling (can't say that I think Luca'd have returned). Also, for company caps that makes 2 more spots a vailable for both Nintendo and Square. I personally wanted just two more each last year (though at the time that meant raising it to 12) and having 2 more now is wonderful (though I still tihnk the cap should be raised to 12, even without the villains), especially since those 4 slots were all guarenteed to be filled and several decent and worthy characters would get shafted out of a spot 'cause of that. It's generally assumed that Frog took Aeris' slot (though ceej sorta says differently) and that Vivi, no matter how good he is, probably wouldn't return because somebody new needed to come in. Now those two have their fair shot at returning and they get it without shafting anyone else.

As for sidekicks, boring as heck.

As for a champ free bracket... not any more unpredictable than having Link and Cloud there. Face it, Samus has some clear domination there with the only competition being Mario and Mega Man. Those both rely on some Ifs. Mario relies on two, he doesn't face Crono and he gets the Nintendo fanbase support for being more important to the company. That requires serious company loyalty. MM's shot is the outside chance that last year somehting goofy happened and that he's as strong as 2k2 and 2k3 say he is. Crono, sadly, would still lose to Samus. He'd put up a wonderful fight, but narrowly lose unless somehow the Square fanbase rallied around him like he was Cloud and they didn't do the same for Samus in place of Link. Too many Ifs for all her potential opponents, while no Ifs for he means that she basically has it. When you have to make up every excuse in the book for her to lose but you don't need any for her to win you should know what will happen.
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Some numbers for comparison's sake:

Poll 930 (2002):

Have you entered the Summer 2002 Contest yet?
What contest? 50.78% 11383
No, I'm not interested 17.74% 3976
No, but I will soon 3.43% 769
Yes, but I know I won't win 10.7% 2399
Yes, and I think I'll do well 11.31% 2536
Yes, and my bracket is perfect 6.04% 1354
TOTAL VOTES 22417

Total Yes: 28.05%


Poll 1304 (2003):

Have you entered the Summer Contest?
Yes, and I bet I win it! 12.82% 4545
Yes, and I'll do well 24.59% 8716
Yes, but I won't do well 14.76% 5232
No, but I will today 5.77% 2046
No, I'm not interested in it 42.06% 14910
TOTAL VOTES 35449

Total Yes: 52.17%


Poll 1709 (2004):

Have you entered the Summer Contest yet?
Yes, I'm sure to do well 14.2% 4281
Yes, but my bracket's shaky 20.24% 6103
No, I'll do it this week 6.09% 1836
No, I'll wait until the last minute 5.01% 1511
No, I'm not entering 54.45% 16416
TOTAL VOTES 30147

Total Yes: 34.44%


Today:

Have you entered the Spring Contest yet?
Yes, and I plan on winning 9.99% 2287
Yes, but I don't like my chances 11.4% 2608
Not yet, but I will very soon 8.93% 2043
No, it just doesn't interest me 20.24% 4632
Contest? What contest? 49.45% 11316
TOTAL VOTES 22886

Total Yes: 21.39%


That is WAY less than even the first contest. Hmmm...

And also, I couldn't find a similar poll for last year's spring contest.

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Personal guess on the top half of the extrapolateds at contest's end... (only the top half, cause the bottom half is impossible to pick)

1 - Sephiroth
2 - Ganondorf
3 - Bowser
4 - Liquid Snake
5 - Revolver Ocelot
6 - Kefka
7 - Wily
8 - Lavos
9 - Ridley
10 - Robotnik
11 - Kuja
12 - Sigma
13 - Sin
14 - Ansem
15 - Diablo
16 - Tenpenny

A thought just occurred to me. Fourpack of Ghaleon, Mithos, Ramirez, and Luca Blight... Who would you pick?
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As far as Ansem being strong... Meh, I don't buy it. He isn't really a major character in the game, and I couldn't see him doing better than FF villains, or Wily, or Robotnik, or Lavos, or Sigma.

Though I could just be biased because he's such a rubbish villain. *shrugs*
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All Their Bases Are Belong to CATS (A look at the losers who could rank below king fodder himself in the stats)

Warning: the following character analysis may feature several spoilers and is not to be reproduced in part or whole without the authors permission except when used to flatter and/or amuse said author.

Pyramid Head - The only thing this baddie has going for him is that he's scary as hell, unfortunately that's difficult to convey in a single picture especially when it has to be bright enough that people know what they are voting for. What you don't get out of the match pics are the sounds this guy makes, and even the smallish number of Silent Hill fans here are going to have to admit he's not impressive when you're not running for your life in the opposite direction of pyramid head. Looking directly at him, in a lot of light, just not impressive.

Andross - PH loses the only thing he has going for him, while Andross does not. Andross has Star Fox going for him, and nothing can take that away. Unfotunately there's almost nothing to take away. Fox himself is going to be the best rep for Star Fox, and he even has SSB/M going for him, and the best he can post is 19%, though under questionable circumstances. Strip Fox 99% of his screentime, any SSB/M bonus, and 65% of his relevance to the story then make him ugly as Sin and you've got yourself a loser. This turd's chances of passing CATS are 50/50, and I can't see him rating higher than Pikachu.

Nemesis - People don't even have faith in Wesker, this guy isn't nearly as cool and was in the worst game the series ever popped out. expect this guy to lose to Ryo Hazuki if the two should ever meet.

Ultros - I'll give the Royal cephalpod the benefit of the doubt here and say he has a 75% shot of out ranking CATS. He is a much beloved character from the well-liked FF6, after all. The problem is that he's little more than a recurring boss fight, and for that I have to say he may tank against Wiley and sink to the sub-CATS level. Forwhatever reason I keep thinking Earthworm Jim, and that's just too close for comfort.

Ramirez - This guy just isn't Vyse. Sure, he's cooler and better looking, but he's not the hero. Sadly I can see him losing to Luca Blight. Sure, that would be a terrible match that wouldn't tell us anything (Fodder vs. Fodder matches make for shaky math), but it'd be pretty sad.

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Warning: Still has spoilers, just letting you know.

Lavos - This guy is so far off the map in CT that one of the characters that joins your party is more often considered to be the villain. How pathetic!

Mother Brain - And if you think that's bad, Mother Brain is set to lose to Lavos. Sometimes I just wanna cry, ya know.

Officer Tenpenny - I know nothing of this character but his origins and his seeding. Personally while I know GTA fans are, in general, the graphic whores who immeadiately assume newer is better, I would still be that here on GameFAQs that Vercetti would beat CJ quite handily, and that Tenpenny would be lucky to break 10% on CJ seems unlikely...

Mithos - ToS wasn't even the most played RPG in its peak, being beaten handily by SO3. Add to that fact that Mithos here is often seen using another name and looking differently, not to mention cooler looking, and that even a few ToS fans have said "WTF, why is he here as 'Mithos'" and you cna see that things aren't looking bright for this competitor.

Giygas - Remember all that talk about Andross and comparing him to Fox? Now strip away the vast playership, as Earthbound's is anything but, and name power. His only shot is the hardcore EB fanbase, and as we know even hardcore fanbases maintain a pecking order. 20% shot of passing up CATS, no better.

Sin - His name is said a billion times in FFX, but he appears more as a thing than a villain. We know full well that Sin isn't a being of his own, really. He's a construct of some sort, made a thousand years ago as a weapon, and only continues funtioning when a person sacrifices themselves to it to stop the madness for another decade. Jecht and Sin are one in the same, and Ceej probably tallied votes that way. That being said, unless his name is posted Sin (Jecht), he won't even have half his nominators voting for him, and he flat out gets no support. The undead Guado should have been here instead, and would have been a force to be reckoned with, but due to some messed up circumstances we have this, and it's not much at all.

Master Hand - THE joke nomination. Even at this point CATS is starting to look like he legitimately has a fanbase. CATS started as a joke and has stayed in the contest every year making him quite the stalwart. MH won't even have the satisfaction of having a chance at returning, even if he has a shot at scoring higher.
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Wait. Sin, Lavos, Tenpenny, and Mother Brain, under CATS?

Chichiri, have you been drinking?
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"A thought just occurred to me. Fourpack of Ghaleon, Mithos, Ramirez, and Luca Blight... Who would you pick?"

Ghaleon, wihtout hesitation. Fanboyism may blind me, sure, but so far we have no reason to think he isn't even money with Luca. Mithos is pretty clearly last in that group and Ramirex is between him and Luca.
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"Though I could just be biased because he's such a rubbish villain. *shrugs*"

Clearly. Fact of the matter is a lot of people call Sephiroth a rubbish Villain, doesn't mean that he doesn't get a ton of votes. As long as you admit it's a biased decission, however, I won't yell at you.
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I just stated that as a chance, not saying that it's guarenteed. Sin has the best chance of beating CATS out of those, Lavos has second best and he's going to lay some smack down on Mother Brain making her chances very slim and even money on Tenpenny being Tanner's best friend.
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Ghaleon, wihtout hesitation. Fanboyism may blind me, sure, but so far we have no reason to think he isn't even money with Luca. Mithos is pretty clearly last in that group and Ramirex is between him and Luca.

I'd agree with you on the Ghaleon pick (though I think him vs. Luca could be close).

I think Mithos could handily beat Ramirez, though, since Ramirez plays a smaller part in his game, both games share similar audiences (GCN RPG players), and ToS has both more sales and more hype.

Even if Mithos's character is ruined by the fact that his primary motivation is a remarkably creepy love for his sister, I think this is a lot like those Vyse vs. Lloyd debates we've had before... The ToS rep wins.

But I doubt Mithos could reach Ghaleon or Luca, even though his game's newer and more popular on GameFAQs.
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Clearly. Fact of the matter is a lot of people call Sephiroth a rubbish Villain, doesn't mean that he doesn't get a ton of votes. As long as you admit it's a biased decission, however, I won't yell at you.

Wait, now, I'm not saying Ansem is weak. I'm just saying that there's no reason that he, the not extremely remarkable villain of Kingdom Hearts (have you EVER seen an Ansem fanboy?) should be able to beat out villains from Final Fantasy, Mega Man, Sonic, or (to perhaps a lesser extent) Metroid games.

I just stated that as a chance, not saying that it's guarenteed. Sin has the best chance of beating CATS out of those, Lavos has second best and he's going to lay some smack down on Mother Brain making her chances very slim and even money on Tenpenny being Tanner's best friend.

...Lavos and Sin are from CT and FFX. They will get a lot of votes, giant monsters or no. Mother Brain won't be below CATS because she should keep it close with Lavos, and Lavos won't be clubbed TOO bad by Liquid. Tenpenny is from the 2004 GameFAQs Game of the Year.

You're REALLY overthinking this.
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Well, I'm saying Ramirez over Mithos simply becasue of the whole spoiler issue about Mithos and alternate identities and all that.

And if incest were a problem to the voters Magus wouldn't bve so strong.

Also, I take Vyse over Lloyd, so ya know. Laharl is from a well hyped PS2 game, which means a bit ya know, and he's the son of the devil which makes him Friggin' Cool (TM) and he still lost to Vyse decisively. Lloyd is from a game that seems to already have been forgotten, in general... and also a game that wasn't on the DC to boot. I'm just seeing Skies as drawing from other sources than the "GC RPG fans" and also seeing that as an RPG it's held in fairer light by the "hardcore" fans of the genre.
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And if incest were a problem to the voters Magus wouldn't bve so strong.

Heh.

Also, I take Vyse over Lloyd, so ya know. Laharl is from a well hyped PS2 game, which means a bit ya know, and he's the son of the devil which makes him Friggin' Cool (TM) and he still lost to Vyse decisively. Lloyd is from a game that seems to already have been forgotten, in general... and also a game that wasn't on the DC to boot. I'm just seeing Skies as drawing from other sources than the "GC RPG fans" and also seeing that as an RPG it's held in fairer light by the "hardcore" fans of the genre.

Hmm. I disagree with every single one of your points in that paragraph, but I don't think I'm going to sway you at all.
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Again, I said there was a chance and not that I expect them to be below CATS (unless I claimed a % chances of beating CATS at less and 50). The post was made for entertainment value, not serious character rating. Besides, if you have to use excuses like "they're from company X" or "they're in a game that sold a lot" you're not putting forth a good argument. Driv3r sold a lot, that didn't make Tanner anything to speak of. Kefka is from Square, that doesn't even get him in the upper half and he's one of the most highly thought of CHARACTERS from the company, let alone his status as a villain. I don't see you arguing that Giygas will rock the house, as it were, yet the reasoning you use for Sin and Lavos is even more applicable to Giygas (though not the same threshold). If I were betting on the hardcore loyalties of any given fanbase I'd be more inclined to believe that the EB fanbase would bring Giygas closer to Ness than the Square fanbase would bring two unimportant, character-less "villains" to Kefka.
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Do you really think CATS will get past round 1?

Or are you being facetious?

Every one of my points? So you don't think that Skies can draw from DC players who never owned a GC and don't have to decide which GC game they like better? You can argue the rest, but if you think people around here didn't play what the DC had to offre you might want to talk to those people who keep bringing Ryo Hazuki back every single year.
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Isn't Mother Brain THE villian in the Metroid series? At least she's the last boss in the classic Metroid games. (I haven't cleared any of the new Metroid games)

No, no she isn't.

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Besides, if you have to use excuses like "they're from company X" or "they're in a game that sold a lot" you're not putting forth a good argument.

Wait. So you're saying that the only thing that matters about characters in this contest are the characters themselves. The company they're from doesn't matter and the game they're from doesn't matter.

Are you sure about that?
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As stated, those are characters who could "lose" to CATS, and even then only in the XSt. I said quite clearly before that Ansem has a round 1 bye because he's facing CATS, so in this contest all CATS's base are belong to losing.
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but Disgaea was quite a bit more cultish than Tales of Symphonia, even for Gamefaqs. i would definitely take Lloyd over Laharl and probably over Vyse, too.

also - not once have i ever played the "noone has played FFIX" card in my defense of Master Hand. i just don't think Kuja will perform anywhere near what Vivi did last year.

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I think DC voters have next to no impact on the contest, as is evidenced by Ryo Hazuki and Shenmue failing miserably year after year.
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Also, I take Vyse over Lloyd, so ya know. Laharl is from a well hyped PS2 game, which means a bit ya know, and he's the son of the devil which makes him Friggin' Cool (TM) and he still lost to Vyse decisively. Lloyd is from a game that seems to already have been forgotten, in general... and also a game that wasn't on the DC to boot. I'm just seeing Skies as drawing from other sources than the "GC RPG fans" and also seeing that as an RPG it's held in fairer light by the "hardcore" fans of the genre.

Yeah, "a well hyped PS2 game" that didn't even sell 100,000 copies. It's in the same boat as any other obscure RPG that did not sell anything. Lloyd's game, Tales of Symphonia, sold more on the GCN that Skies of Arcadia did on both the DreamCast and GameCube combined. In this case, I think it is fair enough to compare sales of two RPGs that weren't exactly huge mainstream catches. I have no doubt that Lloyd would quite easily beat Vyse if the two ever faced off.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

and - hey - what the heck happened to Leonhart? IP ban?!? how did that happen??

sorry to see that, Leon. =(

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That's not what I said. What I said was that those are poor arguments. Being one of Square most well thought of characters (we're talking Kefka here) doesn't even guarentee you a place in the top half in the big show. Most people consider Magus the villain over Lavos even though he joins your party. How ridiculously underappreciated do you have to be to warrent that sort of treatment? Lavos will undoubtedly be the weakest thing we've ever seen from Square. As for Sin, his ONLY redeeming value is from being in one of the 3 best selling FFs. He has no personality, and his whole backstory insists that he's a mindless weapon that only exists by assimilating people. And, as I said, I have a feeling that any nominations for Jecht were likely thrown in for Sin, seeing as how they are for all intents and purposes one in the same throughout the entire game.

And don't even play like game sales matter. GTASA won GotY because it was "the big game". It was the one with sales numbers and mass appeal. It wasn't, however, the sort of game that really memorable characters come from, and Tenpenny isn't even in the top of the lsit for that game's characters.
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And don't even play like game sales matter. GTASA won GotY because it was "the big game". It was the one with sales numbers and mass appeal. It wasn't, however, the sort of game that really memorable characters come from, and Tenpenny isn't even in the top of the lsit for that game's characters.

Sales tend to stop mattering after you've sold millions of units or are from a rather established franchise, like Grand Theft Auto. What you are comparing are two RPGs that both did not sell exceptionally well in America and certainly have their "fans" and not the masses backing them. But I surely hope you wouldn't even try to imply that ToS wouldn't have memorable characters or those that are liked. I find nothing wrong with comparing two games that sold under 500,000 in America - ToS sold over a million worldwide - and do not garner massive support from the masses. At that, they both have appearances on the GameCube.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

One, you assume too strongly that sales matter. By that I mean two things, the hype for Disgaea wasn't slaes based, it was the amount of talking done on its behalf, and there was a lot. Two, if sales numbers meant anything at all Pikachu couldn't possibly be that weak and Crono couldn't possibly be that strong. Clearly, there is more to being well-liked here then sales numbers.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

"But I surely hope you wouldn't even try to imply that ToS wouldn't have memorable characters or those that are liked"

At that point I was directing the conversation at Tenpenny quite explicitly.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

One, you assume too strongly that sales matter. By that I mean two things, the hype for Disgaea wasn't slaes based, it was the amount of talking done on its behalf, and there was a lot. Two, if sales numbers meant anything at all Pikachu couldn't possibly be that weak and Crono couldn't possibly be that strong. Clearly, there is more to being well-liked here then sales numbers.

I'm not assuming that sales mean to much. I've said multiple times that they are not a large factor in determining a strength of a character. That is just obvious. But if a game has sold exceptionally lower than most games have, particularly those that are multi-million sellers, then there is something to compare. Is it a sole reason? Not at all, I never even attempted to say it was the deciding factor. But in case of Vyse / Lloyd bringing up the sales of both games is far better than comparing GTA's sales to that of. . . Halo. There's no since in comparing how many millions they sold, because they both sold massive amounts. And in the case of Crono, he's perfectly capable of garnering tons of new fans through the use of emulation instead of sales from his previous, 1995 cartridge.

We could get all down to the specifics of each character, but I doubt either one of us will have changed a stance on the matter. I, myself, prefer Vyse to Lloyd, but I would no doubt take Lloyd over Vyse. I do not even think it would be close enough for the outcome to possibly swing in favor of Vyse. And then you add to the fact that his game isn't nearly as popular as ToS and didn't sell as much even with two combined platforms and I'm not seeing anything that just jumps out as obvious for Vyse over Lloyd. Oh, and comparing Laharl to Lloyd would be ridiculous.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Lavos and Sin should rank comfortably above CATS.
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