Mario is winning after Super Mario 128. Take that to the bank.

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When is SM128 due to come out?
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Eventually.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
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Well, we've got that kind of humor right now with people thinking "Oh, Super Smash Brothers is going to propel Master Hand over Kuja," but I get your point.

Cute. We know CATS over Ansem > MH over Kuja in humor, and at least MH > Kuja is reasonable.

I'd be VERY tempted to give Mario a championship shot after Mario 128, though. Just not on the DAY it comes out, heh.
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Yes, the fact that people are taking CATS > Ansem seriously is more humorous, and naturally, in comparison, Master Hand over Kuja is more reasonable.
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Not to assume MH > Kuja when considered by itself is unheard-of though; it can happen, and my bracket's taking the upset that it will happen.
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When is SM128 due to come out?

It's predicted to be a launch title on the Revolution.

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Master Hand over Kuja is probably the worst "reasonable" upset. I can't see any reason whatsoever he can win this match because game association only does so much.
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Meanwhile, I see Kuja > Kefka being unreasonable, too. To each their own.
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To say it's unreasonable is ridiculous. FFVI is popular as a game, but it's obvious the characters don't get much individual love. You see the gap between Vivi and Kefka, and you say Kuja falling somewhere in between is unreasonable? Give me a break.
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Mumei (I think it was him, anyways) linked to a poll not long ago about the most popular FF villains. While Kuja was missing from it, Sin got stomped by Kefka (tripled, I think), and Sephiroth obviously won it. I don't see Kuja beating Sin, though I do think Sin would be a good bit closer to Kefka than that poll suggests. I'll take a step back and say unreasonable's a bad word to use there, but it's not any better than MH > Kuja.
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Like I've said before... those types of polls are unreliable since they have multiple people. All it tells is the percentage of people that have each character as their FAVORITE! Yeah, Kuja might not have done as well as Sin or Kefka... But the majority of the votes went to Sephiroth.

The real question is how many of those people who voted for Sephiroth would vote Sin over Kuja?
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That poll would be ESPECIALLY unreliable since Sephiroth took such a large percentage of the vote.
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Not to mention the fact that Kuja isn't even on it, and people who think Sin would beat Kuja are apparently mistaking him for Seymour.
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Those sorts of polls seem to split up by generation. One NES-gen game/character does well, as well as one SNES, PS1, and PS2, although the NES/SNES and PS1/PS2 vote are probably shared more than the rest. That's why FFVI and FFX do so well in best FF polls, I have no doubt that they lose in one on one matches against FFVIII, and possibly FFIX.

I said before that people that like Sephiroth would probably be more apt to liking Kuja than Sin due to having more similarities and both being PS1 era FF villains...

But smitelf went off on me for comparing Kuja to her beloved Sephiroth.
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Well, plus there's the fact that Kuja is the main villain, whereas Sin is not. He is FFX's equivalent of Jenova, and I wouldn't expect the alien to be anywhere close to Sephiroth.
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That's why FFVI and FFX do so well in best FF polls, I have no doubt that they lose in one on one matches against FFVIII, and possibly FFIX.

...nu-uh. FF3/6 would beat any FF not named FF7, and it used to be argued that FFX/FF8 would be a tough-to-call match. I brought it up afew weeks ago though, and everyone seemed to be in agreement FFX would win (though not necessarily agreed on how big a win it'd be). I'd see FF9 being stronger than FFT, but not on FFX's level (or FF8's).

I said before that people that like Sephiroth would probably be more apt to liking Kuja than Sin due to having more similarities and both being PS1 era FF villains...

This MIGHT help, but I wouldn't see how coming from the same generation would help somebody from the same series as Sephiroth.

Otherwise, I'd agree with the rest of the points you've made so far, but I don't see the level of variation being as big as the one with Mario characters (where Yoshi won, I think?). Mumei, if you happen to still have those links, I'd like to see them again before I go further in-depth with this.....
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1446

That's the one you're looking for, I believe. It's hard to consider those results reliable when Kuja's not even on it and Sephiroth takes nearly 2/3 of the vote.

Besides, the favorite FF hero poll has Tidus behind Cecil from FFIV and Terra from FFVI, for what it's worth. He finished 201 votes ahead of Zidane.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

I was hoping to see the polls about the several different favorite-FF games, too. Are none of those characters from FF9 though?
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For some reason, Necron from FFIX is on there, but there's a reason he got so few votes. He appears out of nowhere at the very end of the game to fight you, and that's it.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1443

Favorite FF title poll right there. I find it humorous that FFIII ranked above FFIV in that poll despite never being released in the United States. I guess people thought they were voting for FFIII U.S.
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Hmm...and, just for comparison, what games are Emperor and ExDeath from?
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Emperor = FFII

X-Death = FFV
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
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Hmm...and, just for comparison, what games are Emperor and ExDeath from?

Emperor - FF IIj.
ExDeath - FF V.
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Oh, and I can tell you why Necron did so poorly: He's just a guy you fight at the end for no reason at all. There's nothing to him other than being a decently cool fight. But there's no incentive to vote for him over most of those other villains.

Unless you're Semi anyway.
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Aight then, I gotcha'. As far as the top five of that FF-game poll though, aside from FF9 bein' very noticably lower than FF8, it looks fair enough for me. I wish FFT was thrown into the mix there, but no biggy. I still think there is a pretty good correlation in the FF polls accuracy (aside from Tidus's situation in that FF-hero poll) of the favorites-poll, personally.
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Master Hand over Kuja sure sounds crazy. Then again, so did StarCraft over Halo.

I'm not going to say it's impossible, since I'm not expecting Kuja to be very strong, but Master Hand suffers from, as do many other villains, from "the-guy-at-the-end-that-you-fight" syndrome, basically meaning that he's a boss fight and little else. I highly doubt that anyone is going to be rallying behind him like they did StarCraft, which is my same logic for choosing Ridley over Diablo.
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The main reason StarCraft over Halo seemed crazy was because it was a 16 over a 1.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
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Haste2, please tell me you're kidding, I don't feel like pointing how wrong that reasoning is =P
It's creative's job anyway...

I made it pretty clear that it wasn't serious. =p

Oh, and I agree with realmnm about the strength of "midcarders"...they aren't so much weak as the stronger characters are insanely popular.

Besides, the favorite FF hero poll has Tidus behind Cecil from FFIV and Terra from FFVI, for what it's worth. He finished 201 votes ahead of Zidane.
I'm still dying to see Cecil or Terra in a character contest...

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Terra and Zidane are the two I wanna see, personally.
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I believe Locke would be the most popular FFVI character...

It's possible, but I doubt it. I would expect that honor to belong to Terra.
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Locke's my favorite, but I'd take Terra over Locke.
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From what I've seen in general of the FFVI fanbase, Terra is the most popular, even above Kefka.
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That and she's the main character (or at least has the best case for it), which is definitely worth something.
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You see I can see Sabin or Cyan for obvious badassness reasons. Terra never struct me as a character that would garner a lot of fan support, where Locke and the two above, do.

But maybe you are right, I havent seen a poll on the situation.

Well, the FF fans sure seem to love an identity crisis (Hi Cloud and Vivi!).
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

True FF fans are emo over that kind of stuff.

and me and Harrich are probably be the only two guys in this topic that wouldn't be surprised to see Master Hand pull off the upset.

um....ouch? I think I've been speaking for the big hand, too >_>

not gonna say I'll put him in my bracket, but still, he does have potential.

oh and not the most recent post, I know, I'm catching up.
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hmm, caught up, it's funny there seems to be more backlash to people picking master hand over kuja than there are actual people picking master hand over kuja. I think it's fine to acknowledge that there is upset potential, and significant upset potential, in that match. It all depends on how much the ssbm voters will favor master hand, and a unique creation from ssb (its not really from kirby, right?) it certainly has potential to unite fans of the series, whereas individual fans of characters, say ness for instance, wouldn't have that unifying effect.

The master hand potential for receiving ssb/m votes is far greater than any individual character in that game for receiving ssb/m votes. Votes based purely on ssb/m that is. The problem comes with actualizing those votes; it's not something I think he'll do, but it's not something out of the realm of possibility.
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/21/2005 6:51:23 PM | Message Detail
The only reason StarCraft over Halo seemed crazy was because it was a 16 over a 1.

There... fixed it for you.

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I thought Halo was legitimately stronger than Starcraft, personally, though the seeding certainly was relieving. Of course, I thought both would be weaker than what they were.
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heh, sorry. FastFalcon, Harrich, and me are the only THREE guys defending Master Hand from being fodder.

it's alright though. we're gonna be arguing about Kuja's strength until Ganondorf pounds whoever comes out of that fugly four-pack. according to the crummy supposed x-stats from last year Ganondorf is supposed to get 67.25% on Kefka (if i'm doing that right. >_>). supposedly. due to all the SFF, those results are highly suspect, but if Kuja makes it out of that four-pack and breaks 35% against Ganondorf, then i will be willing to admit that he can beat Kefka.

and as far as the best FFVI character, i say it's SHADOW, dangit!!! even with Amano's screwy artwork, Shadow still looks like a dang cool ninja. he's got the whole mysterious, bad-ass thing going for him. plus, secret storylines to find out about him. great quotes. a dog that's cooler than half of the characters in this villain contest. he could totally make an impact.

plus, Shadow dominated the favorite FF6 character poll a while ago with nothing but his name to go by:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=847

after Shadow, i could see (in descending order) possibly win a match: Mog, Terra, Sabin and maybe Celes and Edgar. i predict that everyone else would be fodder.

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You fail to mention Locke when he placed 3rd in that poll?

Now that you talked about Mog...you think he'd have some sort of "Moogle" factor going for him? =p Would be most interesting to see how well Mog would do...

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Mog might actually be able to do a little bit of damage.... He could be Square's answer to Kirby.... Or not... <_<
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i really do think Mog could draw from both a "cuteness" factor and a Moogle factor from being one of the icons of the entire Final Fantasy series. Mog was a pretty cool character on his own and people not familiar with his character very well could vote for him just for being cute or being a moogle.

and yeah, i guess i would throw Locke in the maybe pile with Celes and Edgar, but that's it.

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Mog would be interesting to see. Hmm...I certainly don't count on seeing him in any contest, but if he got in, he could beat some of the lower fodder we've seen; from being a secret playable character to being a summon in multiple popular games (at least two), he would be an oddball.
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