On the off chance that Kuja IS weaker than Kefka, it won't be by any large margin. I seriously doubt he will though, but everyone just continues to underestimate FFIX, for whatever reason.

but I'd take Master Hand over Falco regardless

That's just being silly, HaRRicH. Please use some common sense. Master Hand only has two games to draw from, and he's nothing special in either one of them, the argument you seemed to use for Falco, which isn't even true anyway. Falco has been in popular games in addition to SSBM. Why in the world do you even think people will take Master Hand seriously enough for him to beat characters from his own game that also have other popular games to draw from? How hard is it to comprehend that Master Hand is a glove, and even Smash Brothers fans don't care about him?
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

It's not like he's gonna be a force to be reckoned with

More than Master Hand would be.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

... I honestly think that Kuja would be a bit above Kefka. >_>
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I do, too, but as we've seen, despite what we've seen from Vivi, people believe that Kuja will get no support, and that Master Hand, despite being little more than a boss battle you'd find in any video game, will get most/all of Melee's support.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

To be fair, I don't see Master Hand as just some "glove"... He's the hand from SSBM. I think it's cool to just see MH in the contest. Hilarious actually. I don't think he holds a candle to Kuja though.
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I had Duck Hunt too, heh. Still one of my favorite matches...


Master Hand only has two games to draw from, and he's nothing special in either one of them, the argument you seemed to use for Falco, which isn't even true anyway.

And what makes Falco so special in the SF series besides afew lines in SF64? I haven't played either Gamecube SF, mind you, but he's still a guy whose ass you cover. Not much more than that.

Falco has been in popular games in addition to SSBM.

Point taken, yet he's still little more than a guy you protect at times.

Why in the world do you even think people will take Master Hand seriously enough for him to beat characters from his own game that also have other popular games to draw from? How hard is it to comprehend that Master Hand is a glove, and even Smash Brothers fans don't care about him?

So you wouldn't take Master Hand over Pikachu? 'Cuz I'd call you crazy for taking Pikachu over MH, and this is coming from a guy who's got MH over Kuja. As for why I take him that seriously, it's really not that seriously that you have to take him; Kefka's not top-dog material, and I'm anxious to see whether or not Kuja is above him (like you believe) or below Kefka (like I believe).

As for the glove comment, meh, at least he's showin' off his hand than his ass. Useless comment you keep throwing in there.
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Useless comment you keep throwing in there.

I wouldn't say it's that useless considering that's all he is, and nobody has any incentive to care about or like him.

And what's so special about Master Hand that would give people the incentive to vote him over Falco, huh? He's still just a fight at the end of single player mode. Nothing more.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

And Master Hand COULD beat Pikachu because most people despite and anti-vote him. You're not dealing with the same situation against Falco.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

Considering he's a cool original fight and Falco's essentially the same as Slippy or Peppy (again, except for afew cool lines in SF64), then that either SSB or SSBM are more popular here and -probably- sold more than any SF game...then that, again, Falco's a tough secret character to get in just SSBM (he's no Vincent, at least), and I think there's reason to believe it. I stand by my MH > Falco pick.
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Considering he's a cool original fight

Original, yes. Cool...Not really. Besides, just being a cool fight hasn't really gotten anyone anywhere.

Oh, and I could guarantee you that the SF fanbase thinks far more highly of Falco than they do of Peppy or Slippy. You're acting like nobody cares about him. Then again, you seem to think nobody will care about Kuja either, so what's the use when you think people will care about Master Hand?
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

Oh yeah, Falco's the coolest of Fox's side-kicks, no doubt...but considering how much weaker all three would be than Fox and how Fox is about on par with Tails (who is just above Kefka), I don't see what's so unreasonable to believe that MH would beat where Falco would land in strength.

you seem to think nobody will care about Kuja either

I've never said that, but I've yet to see why he will be more highly thought of than Kefka.
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I don't see what's so unreasonable to believe that MH would beat where Falco would land in strength.

Because Master Hand is nothing special himself. At least Falco has likeable qualities. Master Hand has...well...a fight that gets boring after the 2nd or 3rd time.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

I've yet to see why he will be more highly thought of than Kefka.

Dude, it's GameFAQs we're talking about. I can't figure out why ANYONE would be more highly thought of than Kefka, but hey, that's just me.
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Personally, I still love beatin' the **** out of it. To each their own there.
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Hey, I have only seen parts of FF9 and I'm going to vote for Kuja. MH is... just... nothing.
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Meh, it's just the same old mundane thing over and over again.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

Master Hand's only fun when Crazy Hand is around, on VH mode, and any attack of theirs is a OHKO. Otherwise... it got old the second time around on the first SSB.
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I just realized that two of my upsets involve 3 seeds winning. That can't be good.
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Again, I ask to be spoiled on Kuja's story/actions/character/whatever, and I'd like to see some more pics of the guy too, especially this Traunce Kuja that's supposed to be real cool.

Until then, I nap.
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Spoileriffic pictures of Trance Kuja below:

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff9/ff9_fmvshots-d3-trancekuja.php
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*FFIX SPOILERS*

http://point.worldtel.net.pk/wallpaper/Fantasy/Final%20Fantasy%209%20-%20Tranced%20Kuja.jpg

That's Trance Kuja.

http://bishounen.info/kuja/kuja03.jpg

And that's regular Kuja.

Summary of Kuja's actions: He manipulates Queen Brahne into getting Garnet's summons, takes the summons for himself in order to defeat Garland and take control of the alternate world Terra, finds out that Garland created him, so he won't live much longer, and then proceeds to destroy Terra. There's more, but I'm lazy.
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More spoilers.....



Plus, he basically plunges the entire world of Gaia into war without even lifting a finger. He's as clever of a manipulator as you'll find. He's also the one responsible for creating Vivi.
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

*SPOILERS*

I'd almost forgotten how awesome that Kuja FMV was. In my opinion he's a much better villain than Sephiroth, minus wardrobe. Terra Destruction > Pyre of Niebelhiem.

The only Squaresoft villain that surpasses Kuja is Id from Xenogears. Id is the ultimate combination of sinister and badassedness! If you don't who he is, you need to know... NOW!
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Picture of Id. Just because I feel like it...

http://xenogears.tautoz.com/pics/id.jpg
http://nisan.leamonde.net/images/screens/id.jpg

(Gear)
http://www.princessartemis.com/images/dragon/xgpw/tidwel.jpg
http://www.thefinalfantasy.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=625067
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why the heck are people arguing master hand VS falco?

o_0

Kuja's above kefka, i thought we established that already?
unless we end up with "lettuce kefka" vs "thong kuja"...

but somehow i think there are quite a few closeted (and not-so-closeted) people on gamefaqs who would actually vote for 'thong kuja'.
<_<

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1. I'm still a little ticked Id didn't make it.
2. I'd vote for "thong" Kuja. Kuja rocks.
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Hey, if people would vote for Zelos in a speedo, why not Kuja in a thong?
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"Impossible is a word people use to make themselves feel better when they give up." - Vyse the Legend

By the by, a zero points bracket will definately happen this time. Fun.

I have rationalized my entire line-up. I'm ready for you, contest, and frankly, feeling much better about it. Watch out.
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Justice shall prevail!

You guys think Robotnik will get past Sin? How about Bison, SF II did really bad in the game contest, but that doesn't exactly mean he will lose. I never heard of that other guy, same with Ansem but I don't think CATs will ever win, just like Gordon...
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"By the by, a zero points bracket will definately happen this time. Fun."

Not a real accomplishment, though.

I think Robotnik beats sin, Albedo beats Biason and CATS always loses.
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I'm just hoping the Curse of the Three Seed that Crono weakened finally breaks. I have all of the 3s beating the 6s and two 3s in the Elite 8.
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Meh, I'm keeping Bison and changing Robotnik to the winner. Sonic is getting weaker as his games hit rock bottom, but still, I can't deny the seeding...
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Pain? Pain is like love . . . like compassion! It is a thing only for lesser men. What is pain to Doom?

No, you must pay heed to the seeding. It should not be ignored.
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Justice shall prevail!

Since when is Sonic getting weaker? And why is everyone sticking to seedings based on nominations that were only announced for about a week? Remember, the nominations weren't announced until AFTER they were open for about a week.

And remember, most voters aren't involved in nominations.... That's why we see so many "upsets" in this contest.
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No, you're wrong, CjayC always sorts out the seeding himself.
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CT's been good so far. About six or so hours in, just found that broken sword thing. If that's slow I don't care, I adopt a "kill everything that moves" attitude. What now? Fix the thing I guess and find the guy that Ulti always raves about...
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Sonic is getting weaker, look at his contest results. He certainly isn't gaining many votes. He lost mine, and I know I'm not alone after what Sega has done this gen...
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Sonic did much better in 2004 than what he did in 2003, he almost got doubled by Cloud.
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He tweaks SOME matches, but from my knowledge the seedings are generally based on nominations... I could be wrong though.

Regardless I've seen plenty of people use the nominations/seeding factor to verify a character's strength. I was just refuting that point.
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Read Steve Illumina Speaks on the Pub Trivia board today :)

10 days til the contest starts...and 9 til I can bash the first match...Bowser vs Some Jobber...
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I'm ****ing tired of that "Sonic's getting weaker" BS. 2002 was his best year, sure, but not by much. All that's going to do, just like last year, is jinx the dude directly ahead of him in the standings, and that would be Mario. So yeah, don't spew too much BS if you don't want to see Mario get beaten up by Zero.
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I still insist on a Mario/Sonic match one day, preferably this year. Just give it up and give it to us already.

As for Trance Kuja, I almost like his look before-hand more (not including the thong; not exactly my thing there), but he definitely does look like a powerful mofo in those shots.
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That's an understatement there, HaRRicH. Kuja is arguably the most powerful character in the series.
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"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

a mario vs. sonic match would be fun, but only because i would pick it right and the other fifty percent of the people would pick it wrong. what would really be interesting would be zero vs. mario or aeris vs. mario. something of that nature.
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Mario would beat both with ease.

At least there's some sort of mystique in a Sonic/Mario match.
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what would really be interesting would be zero vs. mario or aeris vs. mario

Mario is guaranteed to win both of those so I don't see how they would be all that interesting. At least with Sonic / Mario, both of them are fairly close in the stats and had a previous rivalry back during the 16-bit days.

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Mario/Zero? Give me an interesting one instead, like Mario/Mega Man...heh, or Mario/Cloud on the day that Mario 128 comes out. =)
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Hey, if Mario can barely beat Cloud before Kingdom Hearts despite the perfect circumstances, it ain't gonna happen now.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

I know, but for the sake of the "OMG!!!!!"'s we could get for that match and the "WOW M128 IS GONNA HELP MORE THAN SMS!!!!!"'s that'd be their support, heh, I'd still find it funny. Besides, if Crono got two rematches to redeem himself against Mario, Cloud needs one against him sometime...say, in the Elite Eight or Final Four sometime.
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Well, we've got that kind of humor right now with people thinking "Oh, Super Smash Brothers is going to propel Master Hand over Kuja," but I get your point.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot