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04 - HaRRicH
05 - Haste2
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08 - cyko
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66 - Zylo the wolf
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70 - Redtooth
71 - Blade X
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74 - Tai
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78 - Fett0001
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80 - zMega64
81 - Smurf
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84 - mrbird99
85 - octoinky
86 - irriadin
87 - dethwing
88 - Steve Illumina
89 - Cavemanbob
90 - The Wise Tonberry
91 - iGenesis
92 - Heroic Viktor (tnote827)
93 - PugTheNinja
94 - Ringworm
95 - Silverflame
96 - ImSoBlazed
97 - Andaca
98 - Tjian
99 - MacrosTheBlack
100 - Forceful Dragon

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

It's suppose to imply a "turnaround" or "revolution" from what they did with the Xbox this generation.

Which makes no sense. If you turn 360 degrees, you're pointing in the exact same direction you started in. Shouldn't it be Xbox 180 or Pi Box?
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Maybe the "360" implies that it will run in circles around the next-gen systems by Sony and Nintendo. :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Which makes no sense. If you turn 360 degrees, you're pointing in the exact same direction you started in. Shouldn't it be Xbox 180 or Pi Box?

There are times where you have to look around to get your bearings. A 180 would imply that either they've been going in the wrong direction, or that they're heading in the wrong direction.
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Hell, if they called it Pi Box, I'd have to buy it.
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RPGuy beat me to it.
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Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the contest-hype.

Funny that Microsoft should use the "revolution" card when all it's doing is a war of numbers with Sony.

Nintendo's Revolution may have a terrible idea behind it, or it could be genius. No one knows. But if someone's doing a revolution, it definitely won't be Microsoft.
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BOWSER, Ocelot, SEPHIROTH, Liquid, KEFKA, Ridley, GANONDORF, Kuja

Don't the marketing people at Microsoft do any sort of reaction testing?

It would've been blatantly obvious to just about any gamer that the name "XBox 360" would be treated with laughter. A very small market polling budget would've confirmed this.

Now, the name won't matter too much in sales--but if it even lowers sales by a few thousand units (and it will certainly do that), then they'll be losing money they shouldn't, because they could've figured out that this was a poor name for a much smaller expense than lost sales will be.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!

lol, i'm not really gonna avoid a system just because it has a stupid name, but yeah, X-Box360 is pretty awful.

in other news, i FINALLY got my hands on a copy of Tales of Symphonia. picked it up new for $19.99 from GameCrazy. i wonder if that means it's gonna be a Player's Choice title soon. i've wanted to get it since the day it came out, but i just today found it cheap enough for me to afford it. yay!! ^_^

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Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

i FINALLY got my hands on a copy of Tales of Symphonia. picked it up new for $19.99 from GameCrazy

We rock like that.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

I now think that this contest is almost perfectly predictable outside of Kefka/Diablo/Ridley and Kuja/Sin/Robotnik. And maybe Bowser/Ocelot.

If those are indeed the only matches that the "experts" will struggle with, we should be seeing a fair number of perfect brackets.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!

I still think the entire four-pack of Dr./Sin/Kuja/MH is up for grabs; shouldn't be so quick to leave the Hand out. Otherwise, yeah, we do seem to have many things pegged.
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Serious Reminder: Vote for Dr. Wily in 2k5
Meanwhile, sit back and enjoy the contest-hype.

Just came in here to say that Pi Box is an awesome console name.
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i'd say that the only real tough matches that will decide the contest are:

Ridley vs. Diablo
Kefka vs. Ridley/Diablo
Sin vs Robotnik
Sin/Robotnik vs Kuja (maybe Master Hand)

these matches have a bit of upset potential, but probably won't be:

Revolver Ocelot vs. Dr.Wily
Revolver Ocelot vs. Bowser
Vergil vs. Ghaleon
Luca Bilght vs Wesker
Kefka vs Wesker
Albedo vs. M.Bison
M.Bison vs Ridley/Diablo
Master Hand vs. Kuja

that's a grand total of 12 matches that i have even the slightest amount of doubt towards. the rest of the matches are all no-brainers.

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Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

Robotnik is the only one with a serious chance to defeat Kuja, plain and simple. Say what you want, but Master Hand is fodder. I don't see what would change that in a villains contest.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

well, you can say all you want that Master Hand is fodder, but that is not a fact. and we won't know that for sure until at least May 16th.

i did decide to go with Kuja, but i still say he won't blow Master Hand out of the water. and me and Harrich are probably be the only two guys in this topic that wouldn't be surprised to see Master Hand pull off the upset. i don't think Master Hand has huge upset potential, but i do think he/it (whatever) does have a small chance at the upset, which is why i put Kuja vs. Master Hand in the second category of matches.

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Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

Master Hand isn't going to do anything productive in a contest setting. It boggles my mind that there are people who think he has any a moderate chance against Kuja.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Master Hand has very little upset potential, if any. Would you like me to name the characters within SSBM that would be stronger than it, or would simply saying at least 85% of them be sufficient, many of which would be fodder in a contest setting?

Sure, SSBM has a lot of fans, but even among the casual fans I know, he's nothing more than "the hand from Smash Brothers." There is nothing remotely memorable or likeable about him, and the voter has no incentive to vote for him. The fact that people are saying Master Hand has a chance SOLELY by game association (because there is quite simply no other viable explanation for picking him) is stunning.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

how many of us said the same thing about Duck Hunt that is being said about Master Hand? Duck Hunt was supposed to be a joke entry that hardly anyone seriously liked, but it came extremely close to upsetting the heavily favored Donkey Kong. i would not be shocked to see Master Hand pick up a good deal of SSBM's support. a lot of you guys say that Ness (and possibly to a lesser extent even Samus and Ganondorf) picked up a lot of support from SSBM's fans. if he can do it, why the heck can't Master Hand?

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how many of us said the same thing about Duck Hunt that is being said about Master Hand? Duck Hunt was supposed to be a joke entry that hardly anyone seriously liked, but it came extremely close to upsetting the heavily favored Donkey Kong.

Considering who Duck Hunt was facing (and the fact that the game WAS fun and memorable), I seriously considered taking it over DK. I don't know why anybody thought DK was a huge favorite.

i would not be shocked to see Master Hand pick up a good deal of SSBM's support. a lot of you guys say that Ness (and possibly to a lesser extent even Samus and Ganondorf) picked up a lot of support from SSBM's fans. if he can do it, why the heck can't Master Hand?

Because it's a glove and people need to realize that there's a HUMONGOUS difference between being known and being liked. Everybody knows who Pikachu is, but very few people actually like him. Same with Pac-Man, and I sure wouldn't take Master Hand over him.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

Ness is the weakest participating Nintendo character aside from Pikachu, I believe. Master Hand COULD be stronger than we think...however, Master Hand also happens to have virtually no fans. Maybe calling him the bare Nintendo fanbase would be most appropriate. Anyway, considering Kuja actually has fans, and has Square backing him up on top of that should assure Kuja the victory, anyway.

Now, as strong as the weakest Nintendo characters are, it's the same situation for Squaresoft. Kefka is actually the weakest Squaresoft character to be in any of the past contests. It would be quite the statement to say that Kuja is a lot weaker than Kefka.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Even adjusting for the Mario/Cloud anomaly in 2002, Fox McCloud falls below Ness (right above Viewtiful Joe).

You'd be crazy to take Master Hand over Fox McCloud, or even Falco, who would be even weaker.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

Pikachu is not a fair comparison to Master Hand, because Pikachu is just plain hated, while MH is not. Pikachu is the symbol of all things that people dislike about Nintendo - mainly it's kiddie image and how they can sometimes keep marketing the same thing at you without improvements solely to make money.

Master Hand and Pac-Man, however, does seem like a fair comparison, and i would actually be tempted to take Master Hand over Pac-Man. by the same token, i'm not convinced that Kuja could beat Kefka head-to-head, which gives me even more reason not to expect Master Hand not to be fodder. i'm not saying the Hand will be an unstoppable powerhouse, but i do not expect him to be the Nintendo fodder along the lines of Mr. Resetti and Captain Olimar that you guys are talking about. and if Kuja also turns out to be a flop nowhere near the level of Vivi (which i don't see him coming close to), then yes, i could see Master Hand sliding past him.

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Heh...what if...Protoman's extrapolated value was accurate, and Protoman > Dr. Wily? And what if it was dang near impossible for a character from a big Square game to be far below Kefka? =P OMG...go Ultros!! WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN... Pshyeah right...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

post for future reference

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a little hard work never hurt anyone,
but why take the chance?

Kuja doesn't have to be anywhere close to the level of Vivi to beat Master Hand, or even win his four pack. Honestly, it's getting absolutely ridiculous what people are expecting a glove to do in a contest setting. Why in the world will people take him seriously, much less support him?
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

Heh...what if...Protoman's extrapolated value was accurate, and Protoman > Dr. Wily? And what if it was dang near impossible for a character from a big Square game to be far below Kefka? =P OMG...go Ultros!! WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN... Pshyeah right...

There's a big difference between Kuja and Ultros. Let's not even go there. I wouldn't expect Protoman to be stronger than Wily, as sad as it makes me.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

Eh, I could not even see a decent case being made for Protoman > Dr. Wily. Blues's prominence in the series is very small in comparison to that of Dr. Wily. Hell, even in general.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

I'd take Kefka over Kuja, and I am taking Robotnik over Kuja, but, come on. It's a glove. Nintendo fans aren't going to care about a freaking glove.
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Proud supporter of Ghaleon, Kefka, Ultros, Liquid, Ocelot, and Wily!

Let's pretend Link smashed Ganondorf flat purely by GDorf's riding of the Zelda fanbase...

Regular rankings:
Link - 53.62%
Ganondorf - 34.72%

Expected: Link over Ganondorf with 68.62%.

SFF rankings:
Link - 53.62%
Ganondorf - 12.98%

Link won with 87.90%.

53.62-34.72 = 18.9% difference. Now, taking out the Zelda fanbase, Link = 24.93%. GDorf = 6.03%. Zelda fanbase adds 28.69%. =p That means...Zelda is at 1.6%. Thus, Link should receive 96.79% against Zelda if Link vs. Zelda happened. That also means Tingle could beat Kirby. XP

Just messing around...I typed this up so I might as well post it. o_O

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Maybe the 12% Ganon got was from SSBM...
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

OK i got lazy last week...where do i put my Guru bracket!
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Haste2, please tell me you're kidding, I don't feel like pointing how wrong that reasoning is =P
It's creative's job anyway...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle)
SC2k4 - 12th place!

Assuming Ridley makes to Kefka (which he won't, mind you), Ridley vs Kefka is hard as hell to predict. The absolute highest I could see Ridley placing is around where Luigi is. If Square keeps up its trend of getting just a little stronger every contest, Kefka could beat Ridley. I understand that Ridley could be stronger than Luigi, perhaps just under Knuckles and that there is a lot of room between Kefka and Knuckles for Ridley to squeeze in, but Kefka may very well go up in strength again in this contest and take Ridley down with relative ease.

Of course, I think Diablo could smash Kefka to bits, which is the big reason I have him winning his division in the first place. Diablo could beat Kefka. Ridley probably can't. Why pick Ridley to win?

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Ridley could beat Kefka. Diablo probably can't. Why pick Diablo to win?

Meh, works both ways. We already discussed on AIM why I'm taking Ridley.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

Diablo could beat Kefka. Ridley probably can't. Why pick Ridley to win?

Uh, Ridley is more than capable of beating Kefka. The only reason he saw a "rise" this year was due to SFF from Crono on the previous year. It wasn't because Square mysteriously see's rises in their characters. There was more than a logical explanation behind it and putting something like that as reasoning as to why Kefka would "probably" beat Ridley doesn't make sense to me. Then again, Ridley will be beating Diablo in the first round with ease so we'll get to find out for ourself first hand.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

We'll find out what type of a chance Ridley has after we see how badly Mother Brain gets her face kicked in by Lavos. If she puts up a good fight, then yes, Ridley may win.

Wouldn't it be funny if Mother Brain actually won? Egads.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Leon, for a second there, I thought I typed my post wrong.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

I don't see why Mother Brain's performance is going to matter. I'm not even going to vote for Mother Brain the said match.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Meh, I wouldn't say Mother Brain's performance is indicative of how well Ridley will do. I expect Lavos to beat MB's face in, and I'm still picking Ridley.
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"It feels as though the raindrops are blessing our victory." - Kuja
"I never trust a Frenchman." - Revolver Ocelot

This.....is....uselss.
*drops bets*
I have Bowser, Ridley, Seth, Ganondorf for final four. I admit my loss. This certainly a hard bracket ahth CJHay has posed for us.
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jingle mingle single Tingle

From: cyko | Posted: 4/21/2005 12:06:19 AM | Message Detail
how many of us said the same thing about Duck Hunt that is being said about Master Hand? Duck Hunt was supposed to be a joke entry that hardly anyone seriously liked, but it came extremely close to upsetting the heavily favored Donkey Kong.

Plenty of people thought Duck Hunt could/would win that match, including a number of people from this topic.


From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/21/2005 12:16:30 AM | Message Detail
Even adjusting for the Mario/Cloud anomaly in 2002, Fox McCloud falls below Ness (right above Viewtiful Joe).

You'd be crazy to take Master Hand over Fox McCloud, or even Falco, who would be even weaker.

I hadn't thought of it like that. I was somewhat concerned about Master Hand before, but I'm a lot less now. That makes very good sense.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!

I hate not having a search function on this alt yet. =/ Grr...and I have class in just a minute, too. =/

Quick points:
--Don't expect Kuja to be hot **** either though. It'll be news to me just to see him equal Kefka.
--Fox and Falco's had a new game since 2k3 (last time Fox appeared in a contest), and dare I say this, but I'd take Master Hand over Falco regardless. It's not like he's gonna be a force to be reckoned with; you protect his ass in two/three games (don't remember if he was in the original SF or not...think so though), and was a hard-to-get secret character in SSBM that wasn't much of anything special.
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I never saw Duck Hunt as a joke entry. I picked it, as I like Duck Hunt WAY more than I like Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong COUNTRY is another story.....

I think people are getting too paranoid about their picks. I took one last look at the bracket and made some changes based on common sense... something that cost me the contest during SC2k4. Taking another look, my wrong picks were obvious...

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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Thankfully we won't have to worry about Kuja vs. Kefka....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Anyone who knows Mario knows Luigi. Even better, anyone who knows SSBM knows Luigi. It doesn't raise him from a midcarder though.
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"I don't care about your instrument! My god is communicating with me!"
- Ludwig van Beethoven

Duck Hunt was supposed to be a joke entry that hardly anyone seriously liked, but it came extremely close to upsetting the heavily favored Donkey Kong.

... I seriously liked it. =(
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

Duck Hunt was supposed to be a joke entry that hardly anyone seriously liked, but it came extremely close to upsetting the heavily favored Donkey Kong.

I think we all saw how strong DK was against LoZ.
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"I don't care about your instrument! My god is communicating with me!"
- Ludwig van Beethoven

I think people are underestimating the popularity of some of the midcarders... Most of the midcarders are EXTREMELY popular (Knuckles for example) just not as so in relation to the Clouds and Links of the world. Just saying that people should take that into consideration before judging how strong a new character would be.

People made the same mistakes for characters like Tommy Vercetti and Ryu Hayabusa (myself included)....
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Graduation: April 30, 2005 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I think we all saw how strong DK was against LoZ.

Just like we saw how strong Ganondorf was against Link >_>
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