What do you guys think of the idea of an enemy non-boss tournament?

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O, flesh, flesh, how art thou fishified! ~Mercutio

Yeah, plus we don't need ANOTHER potential Knuckles/Snake match.

1) Call me crazy here...but, would switching Fayt and Crash make for a better match with Gordon?

2) I'd love to see Zidane in the four-pack with Yoshi and Knuckles somehow; try switching him with Kerrigan or Raiden (methinks Raiden would make for a better match against Bowser than Kerrigan).

3) I hate to complain about the seeding in custom brackets, but I do gotta mention one thing; for MC beign a 3-seed the past two years and having Halo 2 released since last year (and I think a Halo 2 game-pack with extra levels is being released pretty soon? Not sure), he should be a lil' higher seed than a 6-seed. Not a biggy at all though.
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(and I think a Halo 2 game-pack with extra levels is being released pretty soon? Not sure),

Yeah, it goes on sale in June.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Heh, that'll be just in time for the Summer Contest; that'll get attention on MC again.
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1 Samus
8 Dante
5 Alucard
4 Bowser
6 Knuckles
3 Yoshi
10 Leon Kennedy
2 Solid Snake

1 Mario
9 Strider Hiryu
5 Tidus
4 Auron
6 Master Chief
3 Magus
7 Gordon Freeman
2 Sonic

1 Mega Man
8 Princess Peach
5 Sora
4 Frog
6 Zelda
3 Aerith
7 KOS-MOS
2 Ganondorf

1 Crono
8 Donkey Kong
5 Squall
4 Ryu
6 Vivi
3 Liquid Snake
7 Ken Masters
2 Zero

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Samus
Bowser
Knuckles
Solid Snake

Mario
Tidus
Magus
Sonic

Mega Man
Frog
Aeris
Ganondorf

Crono
Ryu <- This is the best your bracket's few good matches
Vivi
Zero

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Samus
Snake

Mario
Sonic

Mega Man
Ganondorf

Crono
Zero

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Samus
Mario

Mega Man
Crono

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Crono over Mario.

Overall, though, the bracket suffers painfully from predictability.
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"I don't care about your instrument! My god is communicating with me!"
- Ludwig van Beethoven

Overall, though, the bracket suffers painfully from predictability.

Many of those matches could go either way. . .

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

To give an exact date, June 28th, 2005 is when you can buy the map pack.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Many of those matches could go either way. . .

Yeah, but I can't help but lament the wasted potential in "fair seeding". Many interesting characters are tossed out of the first round.

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"I don't care about your instrument! My god is communicating with me!"
- Ludwig van Beethoven

Samus
Bowser
Knuckles
Solid Snake

UGH... better hope Yoshi beats Knux.
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Or, the Katamari thing. It's like getting high, withought the death part. - Link the Midgit

Since Halo 2 was brought up, I figured it should be perfectly fine to update the worldwide sales figures on the game. In total, Halo 2 has reached 7 million units sold worldwide. They're about three million off from that 10 million mark that some estimated. It's extremely doubtful it'll reach that mark unless you combine the Halo 2.5 sales from the Xbox 360's launch with it - Halo 2.5 is Halo 2 with prettier graphics, able to run at higher resolution, and all of the maps and patches included, etc. It's still the same game.

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“Booster has such a nice place…I miss my fortress…I miss the good old days…Toadstool screaming in terror, Mario rushing in to save her…”

Shoot, if you count those sales, it's capable of breakin' 15,000,000. I can see Halo 2 gettin' up to between eight and nine million, but I'm pretty confident it won't hit the ten-mil mark unless that bonus pack somehow sparks a big interest again.
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Yeah, plus we don't need ANOTHER potential Knuckles/Snake match.

Yeah, I agree... I'm going to move Yoshi and Knuckles to a different division.

1) Call me crazy here...but, would switching Fayt and Crash make for a better match with Gordon?

I'm not sure... how would Fayt compare to Vyse and Laharl? I actually kind of like the Crash/Gordon match, but I might be underestimating Crash. (I would expect Crash to win, but not by a lot with Half Life 2 out).

2) I'd love to see Zidane in the four-pack with Yoshi and Knuckles somehow; try switching him with Kerrigan or Raiden (methinks Raiden would make for a better match against Bowser than Kerrigan).

That's a pretty good idea.

3) I hate to complain about the seeding in custom brackets, but I do gotta mention one thing; for MC beign a 3-seed the past two years and having Halo 2 released since last year (and I think a Halo 2 game-pack with extra levels is being released pretty soon? Not sure), he should be a lil' higher seed than a 6-seed. Not a biggy at all though.

Yeah... the problem is that closer you stick to correct seeding, the harder it is to set up good matches. I tried to be pretty accurate, but as you can see I still got one comment that my seeding is off and another comment saying that I'm following the seeding too carefully.
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Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.

I understand, it's no biggy; I just wanted to throw it out there.

Meanwhile, I wanna ask a question about one of the more controversial characters in this Villain contest and one of the biggest snubs of it: Diablo/Kerrigan, who wins?
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I'd say Kerrigan.
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I decided to try to put together a bracket without Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth.

Will have a look and predict it later, but Dante/Kirby could easily be a 4-5, especially in the absence of Clinkeroth. Better 8-9 matches could be thought of - the idea of 8/9 is surely to take two characters that should have no/a slim chance of making the last 16 who, when put together, would make for a close/interesting match and then get blown away by the 1 seed. That match would just be like Ganondorf/Alucard again, only a lot closer.
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Ridley's Road to Victory - Round 1 vs. (7) Diablo

1 Samus
16 Pac-Man

Bland, like 1/16 should be. Round 2 is as well. So is Round 3. Round 4 is of some, but little, intrigue. Yeah, sounds just like a Link or Cloud, doesn't she?

8 Dante
9 Kirby

Not a round 1 match!!! Something this close between two midcarders should be for the sweet 16 spot or better.

5 Alucard
12 Vincent Valentine

Upset special... unfortunately the match is contrived and lame. Thankfully round 2 would be a killer.

4 Bowser
13 Zidane

I dunno, I still see the next contest being villain free, but assuming it's not this is a bracket breaker of a match.

6 Knuckles
11 Raiden

Contrived = lame. Sorry, but I just hate seeing "setups", and I don't think they draw in any extra voters, as 2k4 showed.

3 Yoshi
14 Kerrigan

Eh, little to say about this. Round 2 Yoshi vs. Knux would be a heck of a match though.

7 Luigi
10 Leon Kennedy

This almost feels contrived as well, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt here anbd assume you're not subbing Leon in for Jill and putting the two one time Squall opponents (in proxy) agaisnt eachother. In that case, an alright match.

2 Solid Snake
15 Bomberman

Bomberman deserves better than that. He's a great 11-12 seed, and shouldn't have to be marked up for an auto-loss.

1 Mario
16 CATS

This whole CATS crap is getting boring as all get up now, people. I think he could very well be slighted this summer, and deserves it. Round 3 will be a tleast interesting for the plumber.

8 Morrigan Aensland
9 Strider Hiryu

Feels contrived. In fact, the round 2 match is just bad. I don't want to see Morrigan vs. Mario again.

5 Tidus
12 Fayt Leingod

Also feels contrived. Although this is something Ceej would do, I just don't think it's all that necessary to say "Oh, two PS2 RPG leads, let's match them up!" or anything remotely like that. It doesn't make the matches any more interesting.

4 Auron
13 James Sunderland

James is, in terms of a contest environment, unfortunately a waste of time. And the round 2 match up... yeah, you guessed it, too contrived.

6 Master Chief
11 Carl Johnson

Eh, what's there to say? MC wins handily unless CJ is better than Vercetti ever was (doubtful) and MC loses the next round decisively if Magus is as strong as we think he is. Though, with the Frog thing the rd 2 match seems a little... I dunno... planned out (yeah, that's an obvious synonym for contrived)

3 Magus
14 Kratos (God of War)

Might be interesting, I just don't see this Kratos guy being of note. There was certainly no more hype for this God of War nonsense as there was for Ninja Gaiden (and even less, from what I've seen) and Ryu Hayabusa had a lot more to draw from. Frankly, unless there really is significant Xbox hate here I'm taking htis guy as near-CATS level.

7 Gordon Freeman
10 Crash Bandicoot

The battle of the losers! The "It's the worst contrived match I've ever seen" match. Gordon Freeman win, board 8 implodes, Sonic makes a rd 2 murdering.

2 Sonic
15 Viewtiful Joe

Fair enough for old Joe, I guess... Rd 3 is tough for Sonic, Rd 4 (if he makes it) is a loss for sure.


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1 Mega Man
16 Ness

Last year assures me that Ness will never be seeded this low. Nintendo will admit that they'll never release a Mother 3 before Ness gets shafted like this when his fanbase is as hardcore as it it.

8 Princess Peach
9 The Prince (Prince of Persia)

Oh-so-blah. If Peach wins then we can compare her to Zelda directly against the same opponent (MM) You didn't... *gasp* plan this did you?

5 Sora
12 Vyse

Serious beating.

4 Frog
13 Ridley

I don't actually think Ridley will make it, for various reasons, though if the villain contest isn't a strike agaisnt anyoen then this will be the best shot he has at it. Frog will still pull it out of his ass, as he is wont to do and then he gets to face off agianst another square caharacter in Rd 2. Oddly, most people had assumed Frog = Aeris... and Sora faced Aeris in 2k3... ... ... ... ...

6 Zelda
11 Mog

Upset potential, though I still give it to Zelda (if she's as strong as 2k3 said). Unfirtunate that you'd chose Mog to rep FF6, as I see him as an over-all FF rep more than an FF6 rep.

3 Aerith
13 Lloyd Irving

Easy win for Aeris, and a proper seed as well. And the round 2 match? I'll forgive you this time.

7 KOS-MOS
10 Chun Li

It'd be nice to see Chun-li, but do we really need to have half the females in the contest in the same half-division?

2 Ganondorf
15 Nina Williams

And do we really need to see Ganon beat at least two, likely 3 of them? (I think that if Ganon's not all he's cracked up to be Aeris can take him down)

1 Crono
16 Ecco the Dolphin

I'm rather opposed to even seeing Ecco in the contest, though I can't explain why. Nice to see Crono topping a division, though I'd bet even with L/C/S gone he still only gets a 2 seed.

8 Donkey Kong
9 Tails

Kinda boring, though it'd be close.

5 Squall
12 Protoman

While I doubt upset potential I have no doubts about the surprise potential that Protoman carries into the match.

4 Ryu
13 Shadow

Shadow = lose. Ryu vs. Squall would be a good match, seeing Ryu in the sweet 16 again will be good.

6 Vivi
11 Fox McCloud

Easy win for Vivi. And the next match... gods save us all. This is one of the most unpredictable fourpacks I've seen in a user-made bracket without looking completely contrived.

3 Liquid Snake
14 Tifa Lockheart

Who wins? Who knows. And oddly enough, the winner isn't even especially guaranteed to make sweet 16. This is beautiful.

7 Ken Masters
10 Sub-Zero

Eww, toughie. Good thing they'd both lose rd 2.

2 Zero
15 Ghaleon

Ghaleon! Oh, and Rd 3 is gonna be teh suck for Zero, considering how close he is to LS and the fact that Tifa could be as strong as Aeris and Vivi's SFF might not be fully accounted for. Who knows how it would all play out.
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I think Kirby/Dante is fine in the first round, although it could be a second round match. Basically they're either going to be a little overseeded at 4-5 or a little underseeded at 8-9, and I decided to put them at 8-9. Yoshi vs. Knuckles is pretty much the same situation, and with that one I decided to make it a second round match.
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SC2k4 Oracle ranking: 4th
Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.

Overseed one of them by 1 or underseed them both by 3 or 4.... hmm.... Realistically, with the top three booted they are both 5 seed material, without doubt.
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Strider/Morrigan in Round 1? Not bad. :P (Strider'd better win...) Also, which Shadow are using? The one from FFVI, or the hedgehog?

I suggest you organize the Noble Nine as follows:
Samus

Mario
Mega Man

Crono

Solid Snake
(Magus/Zero)
Sonic

Or, if you complain that Snake/Crono would happen (-_-)...
Samus
Solid Snake
(Magus/Zero)

Crono

Mario
Mega Man

Sonic
(Magus)

Those two are a bit more interesting/unpredictable, if you ask me.

Hm, and maybe you could move switch Zidane and Raiden around, as I think Zidane over Knuckles is conceivable.

Gotta go...sorry it's all spread out.

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Now then, the problem I have with the bracket in an over-all sense is the same one I have with most other user-made brackets and with the 2k4 bracket... the umber of contest virgins is rather low. In this case they are:

Vincent
Zidane
Kerrigan
Leon Kennedy
Fayt
James Sunderland
CJ
Kratos
Peach
The Prince
Mog
Lloyd
Chun-li
Nina
Ecco
Tifa
Sub-Zero

The number beats 2k4, at least, as it had 15 new characters and yours has 17. I just like to see more new faces. I say that (and the comment about James) even after my own mock 2k5 bracket (made quite sometime ago) did exactly what I say I dislike (though mine included the top 3, so it'd have been 18 newbies otherwise).

Nearly a third of your newbies are from RPGs, that's pretty fair, though I don't find the inclussion of both Fayt and Lloyd likely. They both had hyped RPGs not too long ago... but it was long enough for them to be forgotten by a lot of people. I think one might slip in, but not both.

Also, even with Seph and Cloud going I'm a bit doubtful that two more FF7 characters will slip in along with Aeris. I'd expect Vincent, but not Tifa (though she'd be a threat if she made it, no doubt). I also think Serge is more likely to make it than just about any other Square character who hasn't participated yet. When Ceej mentions specifics names of characters who didn't make it in and implies that they we're 'capped' out those named characters seem most likely to make it with more wiggle room under the cap.

And that reminds me, I think the cap will still be in place and that it'll probably still be set at 10. You went over that just by a tad, at least on the Square side.
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BTW, does anyone have that Ceej post saved? I want to be reminded of what some of our most likely candidates for nomination are.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

I remember Geno, Serge, and Zelda being mentioned on it. I think Wario's name came up too, but I'm not sure. Aeris was addressed, too, but it wasn't because the cap kept her off; pure lack of nominations in her case.
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Yeah, I'm aware a sepperate case was made for Aeris. Lack of nominations wont be a problem again, I'd be willing to bet. And yeah, Geno seems quite likely for a contest berth as well.
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I think both Yuna and Rikku were mentioned as well.
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Overseed one of them by 1 or underseed them both by 3 or 4.... hmm.... Realistically, with the top three booted they are both 5 seed material, without doubt.

Actually, if we take out Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth but bring back Zelda and Aeris, then they both deserve to be 6s.

By the way, I agree with you that more new faces is good - part of the reason I only have 17 is that I just couldn't think of that many new contestants, especially outside of Square and Nintendo. If I had some good new characters I would have no problem taking out some of the characters like Vyse and Pac-Man.

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SC2k4 Oracle ranking: 4th
Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.

Strider/Morrigan in Round 1? Not bad. :P (Strider'd better win...) Also, which Shadow are using? The one from FFVI, or the hedgehog?

Sorry, I should have said Shadow the Hedgehog.

I suggest you organize the Noble Nine as follows:
Samus

Mario
Mega Man

Crono

Solid Snake
(Magus/Zero)
Sonic

Or, if you complain that Snake/Crono would happen (-_-)...
Samus
Solid Snake
(Magus/Zero)

Crono

Mario
Mega Man

Sonic
(Magus)

Those two are a bit more interesting/unpredictable, if you ask me.

Well, one thing I wanted to do was give the 1 seeds to the four most deserving characters, and that's Samus, Crono, Mario, and MM. I do think your second arrangement is pretty good though.

Hm, and maybe you could move switch Zidane and Raiden around, as I think Zidane over Knuckles is conceivable.

Yeah, Harrich said something similar so I think I'm going to move Zidane so he's facing Yoshi.
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SC2k4 Oracle ranking: 4th
Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.

I don't think we're going to have a clinkeroth-less bracket nor a heroes tournament. I wouldn't be surprised by either a regular summer contest, or (hopefully?) the game contest again. Didn't cjay come pretty close to flat-out saying it wouldn't be clinkless? And I know most seem to remove sephiroth, too, but that really isn't fair to seph or his fans. I mean, it can't be ignored that he actually *hasn't* won a summer contest, if he's the next deserving entrant, then he, well, deserves to win. He shouldn't just be skipped because he's strong, just like we shouldnt' even have a clinkless bracket in the first place because link and cloud are strong.

Also, depending on the bracket setup, I agree with ulti on the

mario>samus>crono>mario thing. Plus, I think we might be underestimating Megaman here. No combination of any of those matches would result in a split greater than 55-45, or at least something very close to that range.
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

I think CJay said something along the lines of "not exactly" when Ulti asked if he'd remove Link and Cloud. Take it as you may.
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And I know most seem to remove sephiroth, too, but that really isn't fair to seph or his fans. I mean, it can't be ignored that he actually *hasn't* won a summer contest, if he's the next deserving entrant, then he, well, deserves to win.

When Sephiroth wins this contest it sets up perfectly to remove all of the champions from the contest(s) and have a "champ-less" bracket. Everyone knows the three more dominative forces are Link, Cloud, and Sephiroth. But you cannot just remove Sephiroth for that reason. With this villain contest, however, it allows for his fans to be happy with a win and at the same time not remove him without reason. Now, there's no guarantee that anyone is going to be removed, but Sephiroth will certainly be one that can go without an uproar after this contest.

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“Thou hast lost thy friend before thine very eyes; there art no words to comfort thee.”

Well, and we'll get a decent gauge of it during this contest, vote totals could suffer drastically without link and cloud, I wonder if ceej would really want for that to happen.
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One who knows nothing can understand nothing.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

This contest isn't the best gauge for vote totals though, since this contest is missing a lot more than just Cloud and Link.
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SC2k4 Oracle ranking: 4th
Supporting CATS and Ultros in the Spring Contest.

Right, but if they're like abysmal, they'll only go up so much with some of the highers back in.

And if I were a sephiroth fan, a guaranteed win in a villains contest really wouldn't mean all that much to me. Like kaxon just said, there's a lot of other people missing, too.

And that's ignoring that it's even somewhat presumptuous to assume that Seph wins in the absence of Link and Cloud. At least there's some of a chance for him to lose in the summer, not like this slaughter-fest.
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"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

Err, picking Sephiroth in a bracket without Link/Cloud is almost as obvious as choosing Sephiroth for this one. Who, pray-tell, is going to beat him?

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Ramirez, duh...

...I'll be quiet.
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I don't expect any of Clinkeroth to be removed from the Summer Contest, for what it's worth.
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"And if I were a sephiroth fan, a guaranteed win in a villains contest really wouldn't mean all that much to me."

Even if he doesn't have Samus, Mega Man, Mario, and Crono to pick on the result would be the same. Without Link or Cloud around Seph wins, period. Doesn't matter that those four would put up a better fight than anyone in this contest... a win is a win is a win.
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It isn't as obvious though, no matter how you slice it, and its not like his matches are going to be blowouts. Samus got 40% on Cloud last year, who's to say she wouldn't do better on Seph this one? Once matches start getting into the 50%'s, they're pretty much worth having. Or at least not worth skipping.
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One who knows nothing can understand nothing.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

If I were you I'd expect something to be different about the summer contest. You can't have a contest like this right before the summer contest and not expect something to happen.
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Doesn't matter that those four would put up a better fight than anyone in this contest... a win is a win is a win.

I don't necessarily agree with that sentiment. I would rather beat the best possible competition. I would be a little upset about the idea of a contest specifically designed for my character to win so that he couldn't participate in the Summer Contest.
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No, a win is not a win is not a win, frog/master chief is obviously worth seeing again, as are many close matches. mario/crono was worth at least seeing...more than once.
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One who knows nothing can understand nothing.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

If I were you I'd expect something to be different about the summer contest

I am expecting something different. I just don't expect that "something" to be the exclusion of Clinkeroth.
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Master Cheif, i think, would beat Frog next time because of Halo 2, unforutnaly

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BIGGEST Crono/Chrono Trigger fan EVER!!!
Leader of the perished Crono Army

Sure, there are matches worh seeing again, but you're fooling yourself if you think that Seph doesn't have any character contest in the bag if Link or Cloud is missing. Some people keep saying "If I were a Sephiroth fan..." and as someone who is a Sephiroth fan I disagree with you. Take that for what you will.
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Yeah, MC should beat Frog in a rematch.
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Link and Cloud, I should say.
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well, Crono will slowly work his way up to par with Link and Cloud.....Mario was jsut a mere stepping stone on his path to righteousness
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BIGGEST Crono/Chrono Trigger fan EVER!!!
Leader of the perished Crono Army

Yeah, give him about ten years at this rate, if Link stops growing and Crono doesnt, and Crono will be up there.
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But my silent fears have gripped me, long before I reach the phone, long before my tongue has tripped me. Must I always be alone?

Friendly reminder: CATS owns you, and you should vote for him.

Oh yeah, and Link > Mario >> Samus >>>>> Magus.
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