Sigma wil put up a respectable fight but nothing too spectacular.. Bowser wins 100%

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kuja/mh vs. eggman/sin

that's the part of my bracket i can't seem to figure out right now. i just have no confidence in the power of any one of those 4 villains.
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Zero shouldn't surprise you. He has been around for a while and has mass appeal. He's been almost as prominent as Mega Man in the past 10 years seeing that Mega Man X is the most popular Mega Man series.
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i said in the last topic that you should expect Bowser to get somewhere between 60-65% on Sigma. the Megaman X series is one series where the hero/villain/sidekick character strength order doesn't apply. Zero is definitely more popular than Sigma.

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Kuja vs. MH .. come on people.. Kuja.. BOOK IT

Eggman vs. Sin ... Quite tricky but Eggman is probably your best choice

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No doubt Zero > Sigma, I don't think that was in question.
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This is why I love Dabu:

From: HaRRicH | Posted: 4/12/2005 2:45:22 AM | Message Detail
If Kuja gave Ganon a close match, that's mean Kuja >or= Aeris, Squall, Vivi, or Tidus. Be careful with that kind of logic.

From: LordOfDabu | Posted: 4/12/2005 2:46:55 AM | Message Detail
Unfortunately, the extrapolated rankings don't actually work like that.

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"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

as for Kuja, all i can tell you is to look at him. just look at him. he's got about as much casual voter appeal as Kefka. then you have to take a look at the size of both games' fanbases. SSBM already beat FFX last spring and noone here would argue that FFX would easily beat FFIX on this site. therefore, SSBM is considerably more popular here than FFIX.

now, obviously, the strength of a game does not always represent the strength of it's characters. but, with SSBM being stronger than FFIX combined with Kuja's lack of casual appeal, there's no way Kuja can be considered a lock.

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MH was in SSBM and SSB both, don't forget that. A case can be made for "that frickin' glove".
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Hell, that's a big reason why I think Kuja could do it. You've got FF7, 8, 10 in that mix, and a good villian to boot.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Wily's starred in a new Mega Man game (sans the Battle Network titles) in the last decade.

He's been mentioned in X3, X4, X5, and X6. He's one of the big reasons why Zero's back in X6. Rumors of Zero series are still around thanks to the Weil name.


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One thing you need to pay attention to are the people who just visit gamefaqs on a regular basis. The people who visit "Game" "FAQs" to find FAQs for games!

Okay, I can already tell that what you're about to say is something that has never been something to work in a contest format like this. Simply because games require "FAQs" does not mean that the characters within those games are going to be powerhouses. Furthermore, we aren't even discussing Diablo the game; we're discussing Diablo the character. Major difference.

So please go to the Diablo II LoD message board(s).... Over 20 combined pages! That is more than triple all the metroid topics combined!

Now your just skating onto ice that has been cracked and discussed a million times. Pokemon boards and FAQs have been huge for years now and both the games and the characters within them have been constantly weak. I fail to see how this is any solid logic to base your decision upon at all.

That is just part of my logic however. If you will now turn your attention to the top 50 FAQs list, you might notice that Diablo II: LoD is sitting comfortably at 37th! And how many days has Diablo II been on the chart? well over 1300! This shows to me that there are casual visitors EVERY DAY that log on looking for diablo information.

There have been many games up there on the Top 50 FAQ list for many, many days. I've seen Half-Life 2 up there, so are we to immediately assume that Gordon Freeman is going places? At best, your case is suited more toward Diablo II than it is Diablo the character. Much like Kerrigan, I'm fully expecting Diablo to be a very weak character overall. I think this board is going to overrate him mostly because of their Blizzard bias and the fact they saw StarCraft run with it in the spring contest.

These people will almost certainly vote for Diablo.

They might vote for Diablo the game, but what in the world makes you so sure they are going to vote for Diablo the character? All you've done is state information that has little barring on what actually goes on in a contest. Nothing you've stated is logic to suddenly consider because we've seen it happen used many times before and it was wrong many times before.

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Wang probably has Kuja going to the freaking finals.

No way, and I mean NO WAY, is he beating Ganondorf. Or even coming close.
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HL2 is different. It's been out for five months. Diablo 2 has been out for five YEARS, and it's still as high as ever.
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On Ridley vs Diablo. I believe that whoever wins that match will win the division. Kefka is a weak bastard, and completely undeserving of a 1 seed. He, quite literally, is about as strong a 1 seed as Pac Man. It would not surprise me in the least if he lost to Wesker, but that's a different rant entirely.

The scary thing about Diablo is what Starcraft did last spring, and we're all quick to assume B.net spamming as the main culprit. As someone who is on B.net every day, I can tell you that no one gives a damn about some random idiot spamming. People are on that site to play the game, not to listen to your average botter (who we deal with every day; the Spring 2004 Contest was nothing new). Starcraft's main strength came from fan sites, and there are a ton of fan sites. Personally, I don't really think B.net mattered all that much at all, and this will translate into a massive overestimation of Diablo in this match.

Of course, this bring up the fact that Diablo doesn't need much outside support to beat Ridley in the first place. Diablo 2's board has 13 pages of topics right now, and his game is named after him. Over 10 million total copies of the various Diablo titles were sold; people know who he is, both on and off this site. And given the massive casual turn that this site has taken over the past year (Halo, GTA, RE4 all being so popular), Diablo will have his fair share of support. It's safe to say that Kerrigan could easily lose to Ridley, and she would; but Diablo is a lot different.

Ridley isn't exactly a weakling, though. He may be cult, but this is GameFAQs; only Earthbound can be considered both Nintendo and cult around this place. For everyone who knows who Diablo is, there is someone who knows who Ridley is, regardless of the actual popularity of the two characters. Old school anything may not fly, but Ridley has appeared in Metroid Prime. The big thing working against Ridley is that one, Metroid anything loses to Diablo 2 in a direct poll. If this match turns into a franchise voting affair, Ridley could easily bite the dust early. Two, Ridley will have to rely on bracket voting far more than Diablo will. Three, Diablo's name is all over his games, and he's on the cover. In the entire Metroid series, how often does Ridley's name actually show up within the games? To my knowledge, only in Prime and Zero Mission. This means that Ridley will have to get votes based off of being recognized, because a lot of people may not even know what his name is.

Ridley already has his fans from the Metroid games. Diablo already has his fans from the Diablo games. This match will be decided by everyone else. Diablo is more mainstream, and he will have the bracket vote advantage in the match. Ridley has to hope that the casuals recognize and vote for him based off of his franchise, which is a problem Diablo clearly does not have.

I've got Diablo winning, 52.67%-47.33%. Book it.

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HL2 is different. It's been out for five months. Diablo 2 has been out for five YEARS, and it's still as high as ever.

Whoopie! It is a game that could very well need all the FAQ listing it gets, but it means zilch when discussing a character from the game. I have never seen a reason to look at the top FAQ listing or active board messages and this situation isn't any different. The same reasoning was used to justify that Pokemon was going to beat Xenogears.

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wow.. Ulti posting one of his predictions.. and a hard one also..

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And given the massive casual turn that this site has taken over the past year (Halo, GTA, RE4 all being so popular), Diablo will have his fair share of support. It's safe to say that Kerrigan could easily lose to Ridley, and she would; but Diablo is a lot different.

What?! Since when has GTA being popular been something "new" here. That franchise has done well in many previous polls on GameFAQs and not just within the past year. The likes of Resident Evil 4 is not a casual game, so I don't know how you're even grouping that with the likes of the other two; and Halo I can give you, because it started out rather unpopular, but steadily picked up some steam as we went along - or maybe this is just the Xbox I'm speaking of here.

Old school anything may not fly, but Ridley has appeared in Metroid Prime. The big thing working against Ridley is that one, Metroid anything loses to Diablo 2 in a direct poll.

Whoa, "old school anything" tends to be very popular at GameFAQs. I don't know where your thinking it has little barring here. You've got Ridley across Metroid, Super Metroid, Metroid Prime, Metroid Fusion, and Metroid: Zero Mission. Basically every game except for Metroid II: Return of Samus and Metroid Prime 2: Echoes.

Now, simply because most, if not all, Metroid games would lose to Diablo II in a poll should not be a matter here. We know that Diablo II would work much in the same fashion that StarCraft did by getting outside help to push it far beyond what GameFAQs themselves would have its strength be. You also need to mention that almost every Metroid game received a beating of SFF in the Spring Contest, so judging their position isn't exactly something one should be content with. But again, this isn't Diablo II we're talking about here nor is it any game of Diablo; it's simply the character, who will be nowhere near as strong as any game he appears in.

To my knowledge, only in Prime and Zero Mission. This means that Ridley will have to get votes based off of being recognized, because a lot of people may not even know what his name is.

Ridley has been a well-known name in relation to Metroid for many, many years now. Nintendo was sure to include the name of him as far back as 1986 - from what I recall of the instruction manual - and as recent as today. Ridley is not an unknown name nor does he have to rely on the picture he'll be given - although it will undoubtedly be badass.

Ridley already has his fans from the Metroid games. Diablo already has his fans from the Diablo games. This match will be decided by everyone else. Diablo is more mainstream, and he will have the bracket vote advantage in the match. Ridley has to hope that the casuals recognize and vote for him based off of his franchise, which is a problem Diablo clearly does not have.

You see, out of all the gaming websites out there, GameFAQs is quite possibly the only one in which the Metroid would be as strong as it is. Out in the world, Metroid is not a big name nor is it a big franchise. But on GameFAQs, the Metroid series has been one to have its share of popularity. I don't think Ridley is the one to have to worry in this match, because he'll have bracket support from simply being the #2 seed, he'll have his own fans for support, and he'll have the "casuals" there as anyone like him would. The only reason I could possibly even begin to think of how Diablo could win, it would be because of outside interference. The only way I could see him having a "winning advantage" here.

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What?! Since when has GTA being popular been something "new" here. That franchise has done well in many previous polls on GameFAQs and not just within the past year. The likes of Resident Evil 4 is not a casual game, so I don't know how you're even grouping that with the likes of the other two; and Halo I can give you, because it started out rather unpopular, but steadily picked up some steam as we went along - or maybe this is just the Xbox I'm speaking of here.

Never, ever overestimate GTA. I made that mistake in 2003 and learned my lesson.
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Meh. I'm keeping my Ridley pick for now, unless something compelling comes up to make me change it.

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ridley is well known?

I did a search on 'ridley' and it would have taken me hours to find a site regarding ridley the character. It wasn't until i narrowed my search to "ridley metroid" and even then the results were relatively low.

'ridley' = 2 million hits
'ridley metroid' = 11 thousand hits

In contrast when searching just 'diablo', the very first several links are to site for the game!

'diablo' = 11 million hits
'diablo blizzard' = 850 thousand hits

I know this only proves that diablo the *game* is hugely more popular than ridley the character, but the margin seems so big and diablo so popular that there *will* be enough support for diablo the character.

It is those same flaws you point out though that make me wonder if diablo could beat bison, but I'm still fairly confident he'll beat ridely.
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ridley is well known?

Yes, he has been for years.

I know this only proves that diablo the *game* is hugely more popular than ridley the character, but the margin seems so big and diablo so popular that there *will* be enough support for diablo the character.

That is the main problem I have with people who think Diablo will win this. They are putting far to much on the game itself as opposed to the actual character. Yes, I realize that he is the name of the game, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly able to be compared to it. But I'm not quite sure what was accomplished by searching their name's on Google, especially when Diablo is also the devil that isn't related to any games.

It is those same flaws you point out though that make me wonder if diablo could beat bison, but I'm still fairly confident he'll beat ridely.

. . . what? Okay, Ridley and Diablo both would beat Bison. I'm not sure why people are thinking Bison is going to be something strong. He's certainly never been more popular than Ken and Chun-Li from my time around Street Fighter.

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Search for...
Crono - 436 thousand hits
"Chrono Trigger" - 312 thousand hits
"Chrono Trigger" Crono - 12.7 thousand hits

Not being well known off GameFAQs means little to popularity on GameFAQs.
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I think it's high time somebody mentions Zelda's underwhelming performances...and even then, she may be a bit over-rated. She's strong, but for having her series be called the friggin' Legend of Zelda and has had more than two games released (most/all of which are more well-received here than the Diablo series)...then she has been in SSBM too. Her strength isn't exactly worth bragging about (with or without the theory of her being over-rated)...so why Diablo, a final boss (I think?) from a two-game PC series?
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What a shame, Kerrigan provided good portraits, would have beaten anyone in this field except Sephiroth.
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There's no way Kerrigan could have played with the big boys like Ganondorf but she would definitely have been one of the top competitors considering her competition.
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Maybe you are right, I haven't kept up with this thread in about a year, so I am definitely out of the loop. But I tend to think Kerrigan is closer to StarCraft than Ganondorf is to Wind Waker. Hope she is in the summer contest.
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I think a Kerrigan/Wesker match would have been sexy like hot sex, personally, then let the winner face Kefka.
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But I tend to think Kerrigan is closer to StarCraft than Ganondorf is to Wind Waker. Hope she is in the summer contest.

That would put Kerrigan above Ganondorf in the Extraploated Standings. Probably above Magus too. I seriously doubt she would be anywhere near that in strength.
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Kerrigan would have been lucky to make the Top Thirty-Two in the Summer Contest.
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Love that post, Harrich.

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RPGuy's Upset Specials:
Ghaleon over Vergil
Albedo over Bison
Robotnik over Kuja

Something is going to go against the grain in this bracket. Hopefully, it's one of these matches.
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from ulti:

I've got Diablo winning, 52.67%-47.33%. Book it.

Ulti's said in the past he doesn't give help in the contest because it makes it harder for him to win.
Makes sense.
So he's probably got Diablo losing in his bracket.

Therefore I cannot take the drink in front of you.

However, the fact that Ulti even posted it suggests that he forgot saying that, meaning he really DOES have diablo winning in his bracket...

...and therefore I cannot take the drink in front of me!

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As you should, HM. =P Even then though, Diablo's still one sexy sexy upset pic.
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Ghaleon over Vergil is an upset?

I've practically assumed it as fact now.

and I also have Egghead > Kuja...for now.

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uh, albedo's ranked higher than bison. how is that an upset?
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Robotnik over Kuja

That, and Kefka over Ridley are my two upset picks.
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I'm still thinking of which upset to pick myself, currently I'm leaning towards Ocelot over Bowser.

Because it goes against the stats topic's opinion. Same reason Wily over Ocelot would be an upset.
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Nice Princess Bride reference there ^_~

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Kerrigan would be relatively weak since she is not seen in the multiplayer aspect of StarCraft. The same cannot be said of Diablo in the two games that he appears in.
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Had to do it FD.

The Cid's upset special: Ocelot > Bowser.

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Maybe next year, Pious.
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Am I the only one who thinks Uncle Ulty is being severely underestimated here? I originally had him going to round 3, but then I saw through my blind FFVI fanboyism and shakily put Wily over him. Yes, Wily will still probably win, but it will be mildly close (winner with less than about 63%).

As for Diablo, I have an inkling he'll pull a Starcraft. Yes, I know games != characters. Diablo has the advantage that his name is in the title. Compare Diablo with Baal (the villian of the expansion pack). I would say that Diablo would get more than 75-80% in a matchup against Baal. Diablo is one bad-ass dude. Now, I've barely played Super Metroid (and that was a LONG time ago) and haven't played any of the other Metroid games (so sue me), so I have no idea how popular Ridley is. I'm taking a risk and putting Diablo on top by a slim margin.

M. Bison should win his first match easily and gracefully bow out to the winner of Ridley/Diablo.

Ansem should easily dispatch CATS. End of story.

Dr. Robotnik should have no trouble Sin. Even to fans of FFX, Sin is just meh. Yeah, he's this giant world-destroying thingy, but he just doesn't ring with loveability (or hateability).

As for Kuja vs. Master Hand, don't make me laugh. Characters != games, and ESPECIALLY Master Hand != SSBM. Think about the following - why is SSBM so popular? Is it its superb single-player mode? Maybe a little bit, but what keeps it going for months and months is its amazing multiplayer mode. It's WAY more fun to beat up your friends than a computer (although the AI in SSBM was crazy compared to that of SSB). Master Hand is just a semi-challenging (well, challenging when Crazy Hand shows up, especially on Hard and Very Hard, but those modes are insane before you even get to Master Hand) boss fight that you have to fight completely differently than any other fight in the game. Kuja should take Master Hand with at least 65% or so.
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And then you completely neglect Robotnik vs. Kuja...

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As for Diablo, I have an inkling he'll pull a Starcraft. Yes, I know games != characters. Diablo has the advantage that his name is in the title. Compare Diablo with Baal (the villian of the expansion pack). I would say that Diablo would get more than 75-80% in a matchup against Baal. Diablo is one bad-ass dude. Now, I've barely played Super Metroid (and that was a LONG time ago) and haven't played any of the other Metroid games (so sue me), so I have no idea how popular Ridley is. I'm taking a risk and putting Diablo on top by a slim margin.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=20375690&message=218325373
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I have Dr. Robotnik over Kuja. I think Dr. Robotnik can grab enough of the Sonic votes to overtake a relatively weak FF villian.
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