I remember him taking down the nominations and putting the bracket up all within the same day for a previous contest - can't remember which one exactly.

Was it the last one? I hope he spends a little more time on this bracket. =P
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Nominate CATS, for great justice!

He he he, Kaxon makes a good point...even if we did have some great matches.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

A game contest for summer would be damn amazing..
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
- Darth Vader

I totally agree, which is why I fully support Ulti's proposed idea he told some mod about, where the Game and Character contests would switch year-by-year in the summer.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

I think Ceej is a good bracketmaker, all told. The only reason 2k4 didn't work out was Ceej's idiotic predisposition towards making lots and lots of SFF matches.

And I'll be up at 12 AM tonight, just to make sure...

As far as 2 seeds, I say:

Donkey Kong (from a popular series, was one of the few "villains" to make the 2k4 field. the fact that he isn't a true villain is negated by his name on the nomination form)
Wario (cut out from 2k4 because of the cap, from a popular series, is a true villain)
Liquid Snake (best of the MGS lot, and did well in 2k4)
Dr. Wily (It came down to a Mega Man villain or a Metroid Villain for this spot, and Dr. Wily just seems more widely liked by fans of his series than Ridley)

I think Kain will get a fairly high seed, but nothing over 5. While he was one of the few villains to make 2k4, keep in mind that the amount of people nominating Kain is going to stay roughly the same as it was from last year, while people like Wily/Ridley/Bowser/Liquid will get a boost since nominators can't forsake them for a hero. And yes, Kain did likely get left off some lists for Raziel, but not, I'd warrant, enough to get him a high seed.

However, I wouldn't be SHOCKED to see Kain get a 3 seed. The curse n all that.
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There is no looking back. There is nothing left for losers, so I must fight on. - Kratos Aurion
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Well, iirc, when the spring contest was first announced last year, his post said something to the effect that nominations for the summer contest would occur during the final stages of the spring one, and that we would flow one right into the other. As we all know that didn't happen, but at least it was a possibility at some point.
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One who knows nothing can understand nothing.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

He said the sign ups for the Summer 2004 Contest would start in June. June 30th is technically still June so it wasn't a complete lie. CJayC was probably more busy then his expected during and after the Spring Contest.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php
Nominate Giovanni(Pokemon) and Lance for GameFAQ's Spring 2005 Contest!!

If it's a 32-character contest, there goes many of the thrills we could have

Keep in mind that most people won't enjoy someone the level of Vyse beating down someone the level of Laharl for many first round matches.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Keep in mind Vyse/Laharl still got more votes than most not-a-contest-related polls.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

Keep in mind Vyse/Laharl still got more votes than most not-a-contest-related polls.

That's because CJayC runs a lot of polls that people don't seem to care about yet he insists on running them over and over again (Got PSP?, something related to MMO, etc.).

Then let's compare Vyse-Laharl totals to the rest of the contest totals.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

From: Team Rocket Elite | Posted: 4/10/2005 9:27:21 PM | #407
He said the sign ups for the Summer 2004 Contest would start in June. June 30th is technically still June so it wasn't a complete lie. CJayC was probably more busy then his expected during and after the Spring Contest.

For whatever reason, this reminded me of the release of Diablo 2's expansion. They said "first half of 2001", and knowing Blizz, it didn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what they meant.

And I missed whatever involved Ngamer and 1-seeds... could anyone enlighten me?
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

Obviously, Vyse/Laharl gets less votes than Link/Cloud (or most any other match pairing, for that matter). What my point was is that it still brings in more voters than not having a contest match. Thus, having a bigger contest is good for vote traffic because it's different for "Got PSP?" and its seven different variations in two weeks.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

There's no doubt about that. I'm just saying we're not going to be missing out on too much if we only have 32 villains because many first round matches would either be of the likes of Vyse-Laharl: no drama because it's decided right from the get-go and most don't care about either.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

And I missed whatever involved Ngamer and 1-seeds... could anyone enlighten me?

Sephiroth, Bowser, Ganondork, and... Kefka?
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Or, the Katamari thing. It's like getting high, withought the death part. - Link the Midgit

I would honestly consider Kefka a lil' bit of a shocker, personally. But that's just me. I'm just thinking Liquid Snake is BEGGING for a 1-seed here.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

We'd also miss out on the Donkey Kong/Duck Hunt's of the contest. I'm not okay with that trade-off.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

We'd also miss out on the Donkey Kong/Duck Hunt's of the contest

There would be far fewer of those, if any at all.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Kefka getting the last #1 seed? I very much doubt that.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

Last summer, the highest seeded villains were Sephiroth, Bowser, Kefka, and Ganondorf, so it's possible.
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Or, the Katamari thing. It's like getting high, withought the death part. - Link the Midgit

the highest seeded villains were Sephiroth, Bowser, Kefka, and Ganondorf, so it's possible.

Those were also the only villains of any consequence in the contest, other than Liquid Snake.

I could see Metal Gear Solid getting quite a few villains in, splitting nominations and keeping Liquid from getting a 1 seed. MGS is a gold mine for villainy.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Agreed. The only Metal Gear villain I'd ever consider for nominating would be Psycho Mantis (if only there were five more slots ;_;), but others only swear by Ocelot, and then there's Snake's twit brother.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

well here's some more pre-bracket numbers to check out while we sit here bored waiting for the bracket:

in Rodri's predict the bracket contest, 21 people have predicted who they think will make it in (most of them regulars in this topic), and here is the predicted Top 64 that will make the contest:


1 Revolver Ocelot - 21
2 Sephiroth - 21
3 Bowser - 21
4 Ganondorf - 21
5 Liquid Snake - 21
6 Kefka - 21
7 CATS - 21
8 Dr. Robotnik - 21
9 Dr. Wily - 21
10 M. Bison - 21
11 Ridley - 21

12 Sigma - 20
13 Kuja - 20
14 Fawful - 20
15 Luca Blight - 20
16 Meta Knight - 20

17 Wario - 19
18 Lavos - 19
19 Donkey Kong - 19
20 Mid-Boss - 19
21 Ghaleon - 19
22 Ramirez - 19
23 Andross - 19

24 King K. Rool - 18
25 Kerrigan - 18
26 Seifer - 18
27 Albedo - 18
28 Mother Brain - 18
29 Seymour - 18

30 Darth Malak - 17
31 Diablo - 17

32 Ultros - 16
33 Albert Wesker - 16

34 Pyramid Head - 15

35 Fou-lu - 14
36 Master Hand - 14
37 Giygas - 14

38 King Dedede - 13
39 Wiegraf - 13
40 Lynx - 13
41 Ansem - 13
42 Psycho Mantis - 13

43 Golbez - 12
44 Geese - 12
45 Id - 12
46 The Great Mighty Poo - 12

47 Solidus Snake - 11
48 Akuma - 11
49 Yggdrasil - 11
50 Vergil - 11
51 Gruntilda - 11

52 The Boss - 10
53 Vile - 10
54 Shao Khan - 10

55 Garland - 9
56 Officer Tenpenny - 9
57 Kain (Legacy of Kain) - 9
58 X-Death - 9
60 Pious Augustus - 9
61 Mewtwo - 9
62 LeChuck - 9
63
64

5 characters are tied for the last 2 spots with 8 predictions each:

Kane (C&C) - 8
Arthas - 8
Dark Samus - 8
Giovanni - 8
Angry Sun - 8


do you agree or disagree with those potential candidates? any that you think would be surprisingly strong?

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

...for an ineligible entry, a friggin lot of people are wasting both points and noms on the Angry Sun. Wow.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

and i should point out that 5 more people predicted that Metroid Prime will make it in. so, depending on how you look at it Dark Samus has 8 or 13 people predicting she will make it in.

and yeah, i'm a little surprised that a third of the people really think the Angry Sun will make it in, lol.

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

How is Angry Sun ineligible?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Yeah, and I'm sure some more have Magus or Shadow somewhere in there.

What the hell game is M. Bison from, anyway?
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

From: Haste2 | Posted: 4/10/2005 10:05:22 PM | #425
How is Angry Sun ineligible?

Generic enemy. Not any different from your average Goomba grunt, really.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

Bison is from Street Fighter.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

M.Bison is from Street Fighter.
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Or, the Katamari thing. It's like getting high, withought the death part. - Link the Midgit

Ah, that explains a lot.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

4 people predicted Magus will make it, 6 predicted Dracula, 5 predicted Mario, 5 predicted Dark Link, 3 predicted Metal Sonic, 3 predicted Zero, 2 predicted Shadow the Hedgehog, 2 predicted the Dog from Duck Hunt, and 2 predicted that all 4 Pac-Man ghosts will take up one spot.

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

No one predicted Rawk Hawk?
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The Xbox has two modes: Off and Halo. Sony has everything else. ~UltimateralizerX

I don't see anywhere in the rules stating that the enemy can't be generic. I think a random enemy could count as an enemy character.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I'm betting Rawk Hawk falls under the evil-gone-good clause.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

I think a random enemy could count as an enemy character.

*nominates all 386 Pokemon*
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The Xbox has two modes: Off and Halo. Sony has everything else. ~UltimateralizerX

lol, no, noone predicted Rawk Hawk will make it. although one person did predict Knuckles will make it anyways.

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

Random enemy =/= Villain

Then again, antihero =/= villain either, but no one's saying the likes of Seifer and Seymour are ineligible. So what do I know?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

I'm betting Rawk Hawk falls under the evil-gone-good clause.

He was never evil in the first place, but he rawks so much it doesn't matter.
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The Xbox has two modes: Off and Halo. Sony has everything else. ~UltimateralizerX

I would love for a generic MGS guard to make it in. I would make an army for that. Same would be done for all four Pac-Man ghosts in the same choice.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

CJayC would NEVER get a GENERIC ENEMY in a VILLAIN contest. There's kind of a slight difference between them. Want a Stalfos in? How about a Tonberry? Or maybe a Plasma Trooper?
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

I so nominate Space Pirate #858 for a villain contest!

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

I would love for a generic MGS guard to make it in

Psh, who cares about a generic MGS guard when you can have JOHNNY SASAKI!
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Don't underestimate the Plasma Trooper.
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The Xbox has two modes: Off and Halo. Sony has everything else. ~UltimateralizerX

i knew i forgot someone!! i should have nominated Cactuar and Tonberry!!

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

From: swirldude | Posted: 4/10/2005 10:12:27 PM | #438
I'm betting Rawk Hawk falls under the evil-gone-good clause.

He was never evil in the first place, but he rawks so much it doesn't matter.

*PM2 SPOILERS*

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Well, writing threatening e-mails and trying to screw Mario out of the championship match is pretty villainous to me. Unless I misunderstood that and it was actually Grubba, but whatever.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

Well, writing threatening e-mails and trying to screw Mario out of the championship match is pretty villainous to me. Unless I misunderstood that and it was actually Grubba, but whatever.

The latter sentence is correct.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

CJayC would NEVER get a GENERIC ENEMY in a VILLAIN contest. There's kind of a slight difference between them. Want a Stalfos in? How about a Tonberry? Or maybe a Plasma Trooper?

Yes, but there are lots of them in each game. There's only two Angry Suns.
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It's a shocking match in Heavy this week, as Alexandrian knight Beatrix duels with the Silent Death, Crono, at www.rpgdl.com!

I thought Rawk Hawk was the one plotting to block Mario in a locker room, but whatever.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

Yeah; you face Angry Sun twice...you face Bowser three times in just SM64.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

Nah, Rawk Hawk knew nothing about any of that stuff. He just thought Mario didn't show up.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving