The most random has to be the one about making sandwiches. >_>
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"I find your lack of faith disturbing."
- Darth Vader

You know, if we took Tai's latest nomination count and made a bracket, we could have this:

(6) Angry Sun
(11) Mario
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Jon Thomson - knows nothing
Nominate Ridley NOW!!!

Heh...he he he. That'd rule to see Angry Sun be the seeded favorite over Mario.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

I have fond memories of the Angry Sun and his vicious spin and attack technique.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

lol 98%-2% match
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Vote in the Spring Contest 2005 http://www.freewebs.com/springcontest2k5/

We could also have CATS-Gravity as a 1-16 match. No way would CATS lose that, and the match pic could be funny.
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Jon Thomson - knows nothing
Nominate Ridley NOW!!!

Is that why you try so hard to get into arguments?

Oh, but I don’t have to *try*. I have a genetic predisposition.

We could also have CATS-Gravity as a 1-16 match. No way would CATS lose that, and the match pic could be funny.

Best. Match. Ever.
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe!
Nominate Kerrigan, Albedo, and SHODAN!

Oh, but I don%u2019t have to *try*. I have a genetic predisposition.

You must, because I am somewhat tempted to argue that with you.

<.<
>.>

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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

"Chichiri, people are much less likely to joke-vote in presidential elections than they are in a popularity contest in an on-line website."

I'm not completely sure of that, since they don't tally those things up. To be honest, I'd bet that every year Mr. T and Bill Cosby get a few votes for president. While more people take it 100% seriously there will always be some jokers out there.

"I still didn't end up nominating him, simply because there are so many other, better, villains out there."

I wouldn't nominate him for the same reasons.

"Yeah, Chi is back in full form. Long live the Chi <3"

*Bows* Yeah, I'm back, things will be good again.

"Arguments that don't involve me directly bore me. "

We'll fix that soon enough
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"He was hotter and more doable in Kingdom Hearts." - Ulti on Squall

The thing is, HM, I believe that when SFF is involved the gap create grows exponentially based on the difference in character strength. Ganon SHOULD have been blasted by more SFF than Bowser.

Ganondorf was "blasted" to the point of being weaker than CATS. If that doesn't tell you that Ganondorf relies on the popularity of the Zelda series itself as opposed to his own merit, then I don't know what does. But I'm trying to argue that grouping Ganondorf with the likes of Bowser and Shadow makes little to no sense when it comes to "leeching." He's more than proven he's on a whole different level than those others based on that fact. Bowser and Shadow both have pure fanbases that like them for liking them. Now, it makes all the sense in the world that they receive their share of SFF when they go up against the heroes of the same series because Mario fans tend to be Bowser fans and vice versa. When you go from being projected at a 65-35 match to being tore up with a 87-13 match, there's certainly a problem there.

They have been the basis of all our reasoning since they were created. That alone would lead us to believe that they fall closer to infallible simply because it's what we know.

Yes, but looking at what Ganondorf did in 2003 and then what he did in 2004 (against Alucard) will more or less give you about what the 2003 stats would have projected him getting. I think they were off by ~3%, which could have been contributed to something concerning Sephiroth's half of the division, I believe.

She also has another name she goes by, and should go by if included.

Or we could continue to revert back forms until she is nothing more than a simple Metroid. There's nothing wrong with the Dark Samus, villain of MP2, being called what she should be called. It doesn't matter what kind of votes you think she'll receive, there's not a single good reason you've come up with to exclude her.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

Okay, since NGamer posted his #1 seeds and there's little to no room to argue against it given past seeding, who does everybody think will make it as 2 seeds?

Personally I'm saying Liquid Snake, DK (he was mentioned on the nominations page, so people wont forget he was a villain), Kain and Wario making up a lackluster groupd of 2 seeds. Revelover will get enough noms to deserve it but will be dropped a slot because LS got a 2 seed.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little bird house in your soul.

so if Ganondorf can pull that much contest strength just for being in the Zelda series, why couldn't Dark Link?

I'm not trying to say that Dark Link would be a weak entry, or even middle ground, but I do not think he's going to receive nearly as many votes as Link simply because he has the ending portion of the name. If people are voting for Ganondorf on the basis that he's the villain of the Zelda series, they would be voting for Dark Link on the basis that he's a mini-boss and/or simple boss in the Zelda series. Based on that, which of the two are going to be stronger? A mere boss, or the villain of the entire series? Now, sure, Dark Link will receive votes for having "Link" in his name, but that doesn't mean he would be a powerhouse on par with Link. Hell, regardless of CJayC's decisions, I doubt he would receive enough nominations to enter the contest. There are simply far too many villains who would come to mind before him. When the board isn't even nominating him en mass, I don't see reason to believe that casuals are going to be flocking to him. I would expect other Zelda series villains to be nominated before the likes of Dark Link.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

I don't think there's much doubt that Dark Link would be stronger than Ganon.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!

He could or couldn't be. I think people are putting far too much into the second part of their name.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

"but I do not think he's going to receive nearly as many votes as Link simply because he has the ending portion of the name"

The problem is that he also looks like Link. We've seen what that can do for a character, just look at Shadow vs. Mario. Shadow clearly, just for looking like Sonic, did better than he should have against Mario. I'm not going to say that he would have been in the mid 20's otherwise, like 2k4 says, but I'm deffinitely willing to say that there's no way Shadow is legitimately only 2/3 of a percent lower than Sonic in the stats. If Dark Link never sees Sephiroth then I'd be willing to bet he doesn't perform, but if he does match up agaisnt Seph I'd be willing bet he gets proxied for Link to the fullest possible extent. For Shadow Link I'd be willing to bet that is not less than Ganon strength, and with looking like Link and having his name I'm thinking more so. All that is needed is the correct matchup, and Sephiroth is that one just like Mario was for Shadow.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little bird house in your soul.

Shadow clearly, just for looking like Sonic, did better than he should have against Mario

No, it's because he looks like Sonic that he's as strong as he is. That's not an overperformance.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Except that the likeness only comes into play given certain circumstances. That circumstance was a match with Mario that had a distinct lack of Sonic but did have the closest Proxy one could manage. Now we're talking about an entire CONTEST without Link, and Shadow Link for looking like and having the name of the original will be the closest proxy for the whole thing.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

The problem is that he also looks like Link. We've seen what that can do for a character, just look at Shadow vs. Mario. Shadow clearly, just for looking like Sonic, did better than he should have against Mario.

Shadow, at the most, did a little better than he should have. But I don't see any full proof evidence to suggest that Shadow performed the way he did for simply looking like Sonic. Like I have said plenty of times before, Shadow has established himself enough to have the strength he did in 2003. What happened in 2004 can be blamed on Mega Man more than it can anyone else. And at best, Dark Link is silhouette of Link. That would only contain the overall shape with little to no detail whatsoever. His picture wouldn't exactly be drawing in the votes like mad because of that reason. Shadow, who looks quite different from Sonic, has his own detail and/or look that separates him from Sonic -- far moreso than just being a black carbon copy.

I'm not going to say that he would have been in the mid 20's otherwise, like 2k4 says, but I'm deffinitely willing to say that there's no way Shadow is legitimately only 2/3 of a percent lower than Sonic in the stats.

When you consider the fact that Sonic has a little rise from 2003 to 2004, I'd be willing to agree with you that Shadow isn't going to be 2 - 3% under Sonic anymore. But I'm not going to say that Shadow overperformed or did that much better than he should've against Mario simply because he has a resemblance to Sonic. There may have been some of that in there, but not anything to argue over.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

I'll admit right now that I will likely vote for Dark Samus just because of the name...
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

Well Liquid Snake is almost as strong as Solid Snake because of the Snake part.

There's a possibility that Dark Link could give Sephiroth a run for his money, if not beat him.
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Vote in the Spring Contest 2005 http://www.freewebs.com/springcontest2k5/

*smacks Mumei*

Traitorous bastard!
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

Well, I think arguing over the matter when Dark Link isn't guaranteed in -- basing this on nominations, but then you do have to take into account how CJayC would view it -- isn't something that will come out positive either way. I'd rather way until we get the bracket in a day or so before arguing over whether or not Dark Link will or will not be a force in the contest.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

*smacks Mumei*

Traitorous bastard!

Someone needs a hug. >.>
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

Well Liquid Snake is almost as strong as Solid Snake because of the Snake part.

So you think Liquid would've been at Noble Nine level before 2004?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Solid wasn't really that high in the Noble 9 anyways
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Vote in the Spring Contest 2005 http://www.freewebs.com/springcontest2k5/

Actually I need a back rub, but that's beside the point. The fact of the matter is that in imagining these matches I have a hard time saying I won't vote for a clone based on namesake alone. That ticks me off, so I want to be voting against those characters because I know a lot of others will vote on namesake alone. I just don't want to see a character win because of another character's greatness.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

I likely wouldn't vote for Dark Link, though, and I like Link more than I do Samus. So it certainly doesn't apply in all cases. And I'll be the first to admit that the comments from HM, Slowflake, and Lucid about how cool Dark Samus is has certainly had an affect on that decision.
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

They Might Be Giants is one of the best bands of all time.

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

I'd vote for Dark Samus on the basis that the boss fights kicked copious amounts of ass and every scene featuring Dark Samus was utterly badass. <3

I can honestly say that I don't care much for Dark Link, even though I think Link is one of the best out there.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

Oh, and Ulti, of course. Forgot about him.
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

Hey, we still have no way to prove that Mega Man wasn't legitimately stronger in 2k4 than 2k3. Given that it is generally accepted that he was SFF'd by Link, we don't MM's actual standing in 2k4. For all we know, had he faced Sephiroth instead he may have been 3-4% closer to Link then the adjustments are giving him credit for, pulling Snake, Tidus, and Shadow up with him. The only character in that bracket that ends spot on (assuming MM is correctly adjusted) is Zero, whom we thought may have gained from some sort of rSFF.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

"They Might Be Giants is one of the best bands of all time."

Indeed.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

How popular do you think Dark Link would be?

How popular do you think Volvagia or Bongo Bongo or Twinrova would be?


Exactly.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Well, since I didn't realize you were talking about Zelda Villains until I saw Twinrova, Imma have to say Dark Link would smash them all to itty bitty pieces, even in nominations.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

I would bet that Dark Link would beat all of them with ease. It wouldn't even be close...
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

Dark Link would beat the three of them combined, gather SFF, and still accomplish a doubling.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

... I wouldn't be too surprised. >_>
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

Of course I know Dark Link would kill all of them.

I was trying to prove a point.
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"Heh Heh... The wind... It is blowing..."--Ganondorf Dragmire

%u2019'D

~*ST*~
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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

%u2019 is evil, nominate him.
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The Xbox has two modes: Off and Halo. Sony has everything else. ~UltimateralizerX

This would be the longest a nomination has been up, wouldn't it? Either way it has been too long, it needs to end and brackets need to go up.

All things considered, I'm fairly sure this'll end up a 32 character contest. If it is it'll last a month, and there will be just enough time to transition right into the Summer contest for a June 1st opening match, assuming that everything goes smoothly.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, Say I'm the only bee in your bonnet. Make a little birdhouse in your soul.

I detest that damned "%u2019" thing. It happens to me all the time.

<_<
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

Me too; I detest it with an iron fist and a burning rage.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

What about a tag team 64 contest...

then ganon + bowser could still lose to sephiroth + itdoesntmatter!


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One who knows nothing can understand nothing.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

I believe Seph + Gravity would lose to Ganondorf + Bowser by 7 votes.
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The Xbox has two modes: Off and Halo. Sony has everything else. ~UltimateralizerX

He should be closing the nominations sometime later. But I wouldn't expect the bracket to come out as late as some are expecting. I remember him taking down the nominations and putting the bracket up all within the same day for a previous contest - can't remember which one exactly. I would suspect getting the bracket either Monday or, at the latest, Tuesday.

I also agree with Chichiri on it being a 32 villain contest instead of a 64 villain contest. If you think about it, the villain contest would end roughly around the beginning of June with no delays. That allows for CJayC to have a little break, start the nominations up in the last week in June, have the bracket up at the beginning of July, and start the contest August 1st again. That makes the most sense to me, at least.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

i won't be surprised to see the bracket go up at midnight EST tonight.

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

ugh, no. I don't care how whiny/illogical/unreasonable it is. I want the summer contest to end with summer, and by end of summer I mean when most of the schools start again. I suppose I'm just spoiled by sc2k3 when everything coincided nicely, but, there's something nice about it when it starts when your summer starts and ends when your summer ends.
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One who knows nothing can understand nothing.
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." - Old Klingon Proverb

It is possible for the summer contest to start on July 1st. If CJayC has 32 villains and goes immediately from it to nominations for summer, and then the bracket for 2 - 3 weeks of June, the contest would start on July 1st.


Again, that's with no break in between the Spring Contest and the Summer Contest.

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Nominate Dark Samus for the Spring 2005 Contest!

If it's a 32-character contest, there goes many of the thrills we could have...but about the timing issue, assuming it starts on May 1st, we could still easily have the Summer Contest start on August 1st like last year if it was a 64-character contest. Hell, nobody ever said the contest had to start on the first day or two of the month; CJay could bring it up to start on about mid-July if he wanted to (though he probably won't).
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php