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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 104
From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:39:53 PM | Message Detail
Match pics, that is.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:40:10 PM | Message Detail
Oh, I agree with Leonhart on this one, thinking the same thing. I saw that and thought basically the same thing, ie, the contest will actually be starting next week. What I did think though was that we would be getting brackets, just a lot less time to fill them out.
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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:40:29 PM | Message Detail
He does a large portion of them beforehand. Usually the whole first round isn't it??? Or maybe it was just the first division...

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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:41:26 PM | Message Detail
There were times he did an entire division at once, but a whole round? Nope.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Z1mZum | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:41:57 PM | Message Detail
This is taken from Message Board Announcements where CJayC made a post:

Nominations will be open through the 10th, and the contest should open for entry early next week.

That makes me sort of think that the brackets will be ready to fill out sometime next week for entry into the contest, but that's just me.
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From: arkenaga | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:42:03 PM | Message Detail
The MBA announcement is clearer.

Nominations will be open through the 10th, and the contest should open for entry early next week.

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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:42:24 PM | Message Detail
oh yeah, that's right, sometimes the pictures were like a day to day thing...or they just didn't show up until the match was in progress...*waves to Squall/Kirby*
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From: arkenaga | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:42:31 PM | Message Detail
Darn you, Z1mZum!

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From: Shadow Doom Blaze | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:42:36 PM | Message Detail
Two days to make a bracket and get started on the matches and finding decent ones for the more obscure ones that'll make it in will be pushing it.
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From: cyko | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:42:43 PM | Message Detail
heh, i assumed it meant the bracket would be up next week. the contest would be pretty pointless without a bracket to analyze.

ah well, say good-bye to some of the Board 8 favorites (Angry Sun, Duck Hunt Dog, possibly even Dark Samus) and say hello to more worthless fodder. i mean, who from Board 8 nominated Tanner or Ryo Hazuki or Ratchet last year? that means more characters noone from Board 8 cares about.

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From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:42:54 PM | Message Detail
So we'll probably have a small amount of time to fill out brackets?
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:44:08 PM | Message Detail
Hey, don't knock Ratchet and Clank. Dr. Nefarious owns your soul. It's not my fault that the majority of this site is deprived of such a great series.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: arkenaga | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:44:16 PM | Message Detail
Smaller bracket = Less time given to fill in bracket

... I would assume.
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From: King Morgoth | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:44:57 PM | Message Detail
Nominations will be open through the 10th, and the contest should open for entry early next week.

Isn't that Cjay-code for in two-three weeks?
He'll have plenty of time to put up a bracket...
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From: cyko | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:45:16 PM | Message Detail
i'd be willing to bet that the contest will start on May 1st, giving us almost three weeks to fill out a bracket. that seems reasonable. i mean, noone needed a full month to fill out there bracket the last few contests. in fact, the last week or so before the contest started got kinda boring anyways since we had already analyzed everything there was to analyze.


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From: Shadow Doom Blaze | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:45:38 PM | Message Detail
Do we have to have a month to analyze our brackets though? Give me a week and I'm guaranteed to be good to go.
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From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:45:49 PM | Message Detail
Well, the Round 1 pics don't have to interact as much as later rounds, and I think Ceej has a decent idea of a fair chunk of the entries already.
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:46:26 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, a week is all I'd need for the bracket, but he probably will start the contest on May 1st.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:46:37 PM | Message Detail
Nominations will be open through the 10th, and the contest should open for entry early next week.

That doesn't mean that the contest starts; it means we can enter the contest. By filling out a bracket, I would imagine.
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From: cyko | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:46:41 PM | Message Detail
Hey, don't knock Ratchet and Clank. Dr. Nefarious owns your soul. It's not my fault that the majority of this site is deprived of such a great series.

XD

the games might be worth playing, Leon, but Ratchet himself is worth nothing. especially in terms of contest strength. totally worthless.

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From: Adept_Of_Aiur | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:47:07 PM | Message Detail

That doesn't mean that the contest starts; it means we can enter the contest. By filling out a bracket, I would imagine.


Yeah, it seemed really easy to understand...

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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:47:36 PM | Message Detail
Yes, because not enough people around here haven't played the game. Poor deprived soul.

Clank is far superior to Ratchet anyway.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/7/2005 8:58:28 PM | Message Detail
Ah, I finally saw the home page announcement.

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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 9:38:24 PM | Message Detail
Okay, just a question for consideration, as this is actually a SFF match I wouldn't mind seeing...

Kuja vs. Kefka: Who wins?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Shadow Doom Blaze | Posted: 4/7/2005 9:44:15 PM | Message Detail
I'll guess Kefka, but I don't know well enough to say. Is Kuja the FF9 villain?
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From: JonthePenguin | Posted: 4/7/2005 9:44:28 PM | Message Detail
I'd bet on Kefka.

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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 9:45:02 PM | Message Detail
Yes, Kuja is the FFIX villain. Considering how strong Vivi is, Kuja has plenty of room to fall in between and still beat Kefka.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/7/2005 9:45:42 PM | Message Detail
I want to say Kuja, myself.

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From: nifboy | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:14:21 PM | Message Detail
I think the differences between the board and main page announcements was to give additional weight to the board's picks when making the bracket.
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:17:08 PM | Message Detail
I would personally lean toward Kuja as well. I think it's a toss-up, really.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Janus5000 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:17:32 PM | Message Detail
I'd say Kefka would beat Kuja... FFIX just strikes me as too cult.
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:19:00 PM | Message Detail
Final Fantasy IX seeming too "cult" is the main reason many thought DK would beat Vivi. A FF game seeming cult on this site makes no sense to me whatsoever.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Mithrandir1331 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:29:38 PM | Message Detail
I would say that more casual gamers coming through the site would have played FFIX more than VI and would vote Kuja, but that is offset by the fact that most people on this site who have played both would vote Kefka, at least I think they would. I would probably go with Kuja, but can't make a compelling argument for doing so.
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:31:35 PM | Message Detail
I dunno. For as strong as Final Fantasy VI was in the Spring Contest, its main villain is surprisingly weak.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:33:41 PM | Message Detail
Yeah, the MBA post makes it clear that the bracket is coming next week. I'm going to take a wild guess and say that the contest will begin on May 1st.

And to the doombringers, all but 1½ weeks of the contest will take place in the spring, and last year's summer contest began on August 1st. I don't really think there's an issue here. As for the 32 character thing, I've never understood why that was even brought up. It makes no sense.

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From: Janus5000 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:33:42 PM | Message Detail
Well, FFVI has proven to be pretty popular here, and as far as FFs go FFIX is probably on the cultish end. For all we know, Vivi benefited from the Black Mage Factor >_>
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:34:53 PM | Message Detail
As for the 32 character thing, I've never understood why that was even brought up. It makes no sense.

Maybe because of the obscene amount of fodder that will come with 64?

And the idea that perhaps the Summer Contest would be a heroes version?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:35:31 PM | Message Detail
64 villains is far, far too many, if you ask me.

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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:35:34 PM | Message Detail
For all we know, Vivi benefited from the Black Mage Factor >_>

Heh, that's a pretty shaky platform to stand upon, but that's your call.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: Mithrandir1331 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:39:21 PM | Message Detail
That's true, but there's nothing that makes me thing Kuja would be that strong either. He doesn't do much that makes him memorable, he has a few cool quotes but so do a lot of villains. I think Vivi did well because he is genuinely thought of as a good character by most people who have played the game, and he didn't benefit as much from the strength of FFIX. I think votes for Kuja would be more along the lines of votes for IX and he would be considerably weaker because of it.
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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:40:21 PM | Message Detail
He doesn't do much that makes him memorable

*SPOILERS*



What? Destroying an entire planet isn't memorable?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving
From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:40:33 PM | Message Detail
Maybe because of the obscene amount of fodder that will come with 64?

So what? Mid to low end fodder would make for an obscenely unpredictable contest. I'm fine with that.

And the idea that perhaps the Summer Contest would be a heroes version?

Three character battles in a row? God, I hope not. I'd rather see games.

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:42:40 PM | Message Detail
If we're going to have another character battle that isn't the norm, it should be females, not heroes.


. . . what?

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From: Janus5000 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:44:55 PM | Message Detail
You want to see Cloud win again, HM?
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BtT: 3:43.45 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
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From: Mithrandir1331 | Posted: 4/7/2005 10:48:19 PM | Message Detail
Well yes, I guess that is memorable but I was thinking more along the lines of his emotions and development as a character. He develops some when he finds out what he truly is , but I don't find it anything special considering Zidane is going through the same thing at the same time and we see more of it.
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From: FastFalcon05 | Posted: 4/7/2005 11:09:39 PM | Message Detail
that means more characters noone from Board 8 cares about.


lol, yes, the world should revolve around Board 8!

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 4/8/2005 5:11:08 AM | Message Detail
Oh well. *weeps for Dark Samus*

Still, you like to bring up Tanner, Ryo and Ratchet, but board 8 has a tendency to nominate complete wimpolas like Luca Blight or Laharl. It's not much better. Well, whatever.

And I'm pretty sure that by "contest" he means "bracket-making period", which is the core of the "contest" part of the battle.
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From: cyko | Posted: 4/8/2005 5:14:12 AM | Message Detail
i'll repeat what i said earlier about doubting that the Summer Contest will be a Hero Contest.

From: cyko | Posted: 4/7/2005 7:28:40 PM | Message Detail

also, i'm getting the feeling that Ceej will keep giving us the Great Character Battle as our Summer Contest, but give us a different theme for each Spring Contest to give us a chance to see characters and whatever that we wouldn't normally see in a contest.

for example, i'm seriously betting that next Spring we will have a Greatest Female Character battle next Spring, seeing how few female characters make it into the Summer Contest. (i'm sure most of you guys would love to see Samus win a contest anyways. =P) then, i wouldn't be surprised if we had a Best Series Ever Contest, and then maybe Spring 2008 would be a good time for an updated Best Game Ever Contest. as far as i'm concerned, i'd take take these differently themed contests over a Best Game Ever Contest every year anyways, but 4 years between Game Contests seems like a good chunk of time for people's opionions to evolve and more great games to come out.

that's pure speculation of course, but i have convinced myself that there will be a Greatest Female Character Battle next spring.



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From: cyko | Posted: 4/8/2005 5:15:54 AM | Message Detail

Still, you like to bring up Tanner, Ryo and Ratchet, but board 8 has a tendency to nominate complete wimpolas like Luca Blight or Laharl. It's not much better. Well, whatever.


lol, that's the point i was making. instead of getting fodder that we like, we get fodder that noone on Board 8 cares about.

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From: Sir Bormun | Posted: 4/8/2005 7:11:33 AM | Message Detail
Few discussion ideas that came to mind:

My ranking of the top twenty villains, pre-contest... Let's see how many I get right.
Sephiroth
Bowser (just a hunch... Ganon hasn't proven anything just yet)
Ganondorf
Liquid Snake
Revolver Ocelot
Kefka
Ridley
Dr. Wily
Lavos (but I ain't sure at all on this guy)
Kuja
Donkey Kong (if he gets in)
Wario
Robotnik
Dark Samus
Tenpenny (does he count?)
M. Bison
Sigma
Ansem
Albedo
Andross

Another thought that came to mind. Which character do you think will be the Aeris of this year (ie, the one that gets shockingly left out of the bracket). My guess is either Donkey Kong or Kuja.
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