A) YAY! New contest!!

B) For Pete's sake, can we please say what we're posting spoilers for. I'm looking at you Ulti.

C) How exactly is Shadow not a villain?
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Shadow isn't a "villain" because he doesn't stay on the opposing side.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Asking again: anyone with enough Legacy of Kain knowledge to say who's more popular out of Raziel or Kain? I'd guess Raziel, naturally, but I haven't really played those games.

Soul Reaver is undoubtedly the most popular of the LoK series, so I'd say Raziel. They should be decently close, though - both have style in the games they're in together.

And with regards to measuring sticks, it's a little too soon for that. But I'd think that semi-cult figures with their heroes in previous contests (Ramirez, LeChuck, MidBoss, Soda Popinski) could be relatively equal to their SC counterparts. It won't be exact, but I think it's the best we're going to get short of some very lucky seeding.
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It's swords vs. sorcery at www.rpgdl.com, with the original Final Fantasy Knight facing Cecelia Adelhyde!

i'm not so sure about CATS making a good measuring stick. i have a feeling that he will get roughly the same number of votes (not percentage of votes, but number of votes) whether he's facing Cloud, Link, Ryu, Sephiroth, Ghaleon, or whoever he winds up facing.

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Nominate DUFF MCWHALEN for Spring2K5!!
Trivia XIV: MEATWADD SUCKS!!

He's been pretty stable so far, but we'll see.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Even if CATS faced Tanner, I'd doubt he'd get more than 25%. The day he wins a match is the day Ulti burns his copy (copies?) of FFT and starts a new religion based around Ocarina of Time.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I don't hate OOT, you know. I just think it's near the bottom of the list of Zelda games I've played, which is an opinion I'm allowed to have.

And I own 3 copies of FFT.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Never said you did hate it. Outside of owning Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow and Gold/Silver/Crystal, I can't say I have multiple copies of any game, either. >_>
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Why own more than one copy of a game?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter in 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5, too

Why own more than one copy of a game?

I could see it for a cartridge game (more saves) but that's it...

In accordance to the prophecy, Dweebenheimer!
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Yeah, I meant to denote that about some cartridge-based games; my bro owns two copies of Conker's Bad Fur Day so he'd have more saves...but for Final Fantasy CD-based games, just, why?
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter in 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5, too

In case you're stupid enough to lend out a copy to someone who never returns it?
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Seifer counts as a villain by CJayC's definition, right? He's Magus in reverse...If only it wasn't for that scene in the ending, I wouldn't be so concerned about him being ineligible.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Starts good becomes evil? That should count as a villian, but there's no official stance on it.
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php
Nominate Giovanni(Pokemon) and Lance for GameFAQ's Spring 2005 Contest!!

Well, it's not rare for bad guys to become good at the very end...I'm sure you think of other examples.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Yeah, but I wonder if he's going to be defined as a "rival."

I want him in there because I think he could do decently well in a Summer Contest, and I was to see how he measures up.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

If Seifer doesn't get into the contest I will be peeved.
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The Simon System worked for me!

But doesn't Seifer actually HELP the main villains (it's been a long time since I played FF8)? I'm afraid most other rivals don't.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Yes, he fights on the side of "evil" and tries to kill you numerous times.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

Like I said in that other topic, I'd count Seifer without much thought to it.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Good, good.
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SC2K5 Nominations: Squall Leonhart, Tidus, Zidane, Serge, Musashi, Tifa Lockheart, Leon Kennedy, Kerrigan, Revolver Ocelot, Lloyd Irving

We've all been too into popularity contests...what about OTHER sorts of voting contests?

Like...a "Who Would Win in a Fight?" contest, perhaps. Any other ideas?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

A fighting contest would require certain ground rules, and I don't know if Ceej is willing to do that, especially since a large chunk of the the voting base would likely ignore them.
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It's swords vs. sorcery at www.rpgdl.com, with the original Final Fantasy Knight facing Cecelia Adelhyde!

Food for thought. CJayC has yet to say that this will actually be a bracketed contest.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

This is minor Starcraft spoilers, I suppose, so I guess I'll give fair warning...




































RPGuy and I were talking about Kerrigan, and he isn't convinced that she is eligible because you do not actually fight her (or even her forces) at any point in the game. My view is that Starcraft was set up differently than most games; when you play on her side, she hasn't suddenly become the protagonist - you've merely become a Cerebrate of hers, just as you were an Executor for the Protoss. It doesn't mean that she is no longer the villain in the situation. The only instance I could think of where you are controlling and you fight Kerrigan is the scripted event at the very end of Terran 8 in the expansion. Other than that, most of the fighting that the Terrans and Protoss do with Kerrigan happens while you are playing the role of a Cerebrate.

I feel like because the game doesn't really have a character that you actually are (and so your character has no motives, background; he (... or she) is merely a person working for one of the major characters), it is unfair to worry about whether you actually fought her. She is clearly the villain in the situation, and the villain from the moment she has her eggression onwards. Even when she appears to be on the "good" side, it is merely her trying to manipulate the Protoss, and then the Terrans.

Thoughts?
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Nominate Meta Knight (Kirby Series) for Summer AND Spring Contest 2005!

Of course. Everybody who signs up qualifies.
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Nominate Giovanni(Pokemon) and Lance for GameFAQ's Spring 2005 Contest!!

We were starved for this... We got the same number of people in about 24 hours as we did for the Summer Contest at all...

In accordance to the prophecy, Dweebenheimer!
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Seifer HAS to be considered a villian.

*FF8 Spoilers*




I mean, for christ's sake the man splits Odin in two without so much as a second thought to it, and then goes right back to trying to slit your throat wide open.





</Spoilers>
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Y'know, I just realized I forgot to nominate Kerrigan >_>

Meh, Illidan needed it more anyway, and I like him more.
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Or, the Katamari thing. It's like getting high, withought the death part. - Link the Midgit

Y'know, I just realized I forgot to nominate Kerrigan >_>

Meh, Illidan needed it more anyway, and I like him more.

But his voice actor is even more annoying than Ghaleon's and he doesn't make up for it by being incredibly badass. ;_;
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

What do people think are the chances this contest will give us a competitor even weaker than Tanner? Considering how many obscure characters we'll have, I'd say better than 50%.
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Nominate Ultros for the Spring Contest! Uwee hee hee!

*re signs*

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Nominate Ghaleon here: http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php

I'm guessing 20% chance. It took us two years to get somebody weaker than Mr. Driller, I imagine it'll take more than nine months to get somebody weaker than Tanner. Of course, the risk gets higher 'cuz it's just villains, but I don't think it's any more than a one-in-five chance...

...but I'll say this: if there's one villain making it in that's weaker than Tanner, there's probably gonna be several making it in that's weaker than Tanner. For the most part, I think the bottom half/quarter of villains are goin' to be pretty closely packed together...so we'll see how that goes.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter in 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5, too

We're going to see a lot of Vyse-Laharl-like 8-9 matches, that's for certain.

As far as Starcraft is concerned, I nominated Kerrigan knowing well that she might not be eligible. Aldaris is the only character that fits CJayC's definition decently, since he's a constant pain in the ass, when he's not flat-out against you. And, you actually fight him. Though in my case, the fight wasn't very long ;)
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

and that will be even more true if there was 64 characters
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i think kerrigan fits the description just fine. he says that villain turned allies are not eligible, but he doesn't make any mention of allies turned villains. also, he says if they're an enemy in one game but ally in another than they are eligible. kerrigan is 100% villain in brood wars. it's like spy hunter, you play as the bad guy. >_>
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But the problem is, you play with Kerrigan throughout both Zerg campaigns. That's what makes the situation so ambiguous, yes, she's an evil *****, but you play as her for most of her screen time. You never even play with Aldaris.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan

STARCRAFT AND BROOD WAR SPOILERS!


Yeah, my point was that in SC Terran, Infested Kerrigan doesn't exist yet; in SC Protoss, you fight the Overmind on Aiur, not Kerrigan; in BW Protoss, you fight the remnants of the Overmind's forces; in BW Terran, you fight just about everybody except Kerrigan.

And, if you consider Kerrigan the antagonist, who's the protagonist? It's easy enough to say Jimmy or Fenix, but you never play as them. Zeratul or Artanis might work, but even Zeratul has his doubts about that, and they never fight Kerrigan. Well, Artanis does, but it's just for that last mission, and you're on Kerrigan's side. When you play as Kerrigan's cerebrate, you're primarily fighting the UED or Arcturus, and I don't want to call either of them the good guys.

So, yeah, Kerrigan's Queen ***** of the Universe and all, but I don't think she fits Ceej's definition of a villain.
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"My name is Guybrush Threepwood. Prepare to die!"

That protagonist/antagonist paragraph applies to Brood War, as I'm pretty sure you can't make a case for Kerrigan being the villain in SC, and it's obvious that Tassadar is the good guy.
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"My name is Guybrush Threepwood. Prepare to die!"

More Starcraft Spoilers...




Can Starcraft really be held to the same standards? The game is set-up differently in that you are really none of the characters; you merely play as the different sides and watch it play out. It is clear that she is the villain in the situation, even though the UED doesn't have the most honorable intentions themselves.

I don't understand why it matters whether you actually fight Kerrigan as a part of a mission. The only time I know where you see Kerrigan and her forces engage the forces of the UED or the Protoss when you are not controlling her seems to be the end of Terran 8, in the scripted event.

I realize that the rules state that you must fight the character as a part of the game, but because of the way that the game is set-up, it seems ridiculous to hold it to the same standards.

And just asking - you aren't debating whether she is the villain or not, just her eligibility, right?
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Vexilla regis prodeunt Inferni. ~ Dante Alighieri

*spoilers*
















If you really want to get technical, Arcturus Mengsk is the true villain of Starcraft.

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Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest
"If my fate is to die, I must simply laugh!" -Magus Zeal

Why bother arguing? Obviously CJayC is going to make the decision on his own, regardless of what we think. It'll probably depend on how many nominations the character gets.
I think he'd be willing to bend the rules (for anyone except Magus) if the character has 85,000 nominations as opposed to 850.

Devil's advocate: we argue because we are a bunch of nerds who have nothing better to do.
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Well now that I know what goes on Starcraft I don't need to do the missions.

Also has anyone noticed that the board has slowen down back to what we had a few days ago?
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Vote in the Spring Contest 2005 http://www.freewebs.com/springcontest2k5/

Hey guys!
Remember those Four-Pack-O-Fun topics?
One involving four villains would be really interesting, no?

Well, I'd post in it. >_>
In fact, I'd make one myself, but it would just be ****. ^_^


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You give me just a taste so I want more...

CMS, I encourage you to do it; MMX started it up and quickly quit, then I took over for about two months...from there, Leonhart did it for a lil' over a month (I think?). Now, it's dead and gone...so if you wanna, try that; I'll participate.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Arbiter in 2k5
Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2k5, too

I don't think fears that Kerrigan won't be considered a villain are well-founded. She's against the Terrans, whom we are kind of bound to root for, Arcturus Mengsk aside, and her objectives were far from noble. We don't fight against her specifically but this is a strategy game, not an RPG, so fighting against her forces should be enough.

I don't think Ceej's intention when posting the rules was to outlaw characters like Kerrigan or to allow characters like Dark Link or Mario. He's a reasonable human being and I'm pretty confident she'll be allowed in considering that the only objection to doing so is a minor technicality brought about mostly by the genre of her game.
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Nominate Kerrigan, Albedo, and SHODAN!

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=20262288

From: Sashanan | Posted: 4/6/2005 2:29:02 AM | Message Detail | #014
As in the previous years, the point of the contest is not which character wins, but how well you are able to predict how the contest turns out (and that rides on much more than just the final winner). Characters will not be excluded for popularity.

This obviously confirms the fact that Sephiroth will be in the Spring contest and probably win; it also implies that Link and Cloud are going to be here to stay in the Summer contest.
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Thanks HaRRicH.
I'll give it a shot. Though I warn you... I'm no expert. >_<


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You give me just a taste so I want more...

I hope to God the summer contest is a game contest this year. There's potential in a villain contest, sure, but it won't raise the passions nearly as much.

CJayC doing case-by-case? Well, that remains to be seen, since there has never been any restriction on entries before. But it will depend a lot on his gaming knowledge, I think: while having Dark Link and Mario would be rather meh in my view (even though I DID nominate Mario out of respect for DK Jr.), Dark Samus, in my opinion, is completely legit for reasons that have been beaten to death by now. If he hasn't played MP2 (and it wouldn't surprise me in the least), she could be tossed aside for reasons similar to Dark Link, and she's far from being that.
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SpC2K5 nominations: Kefka, Ganondorf, Bowser, Ridley, Eggman, Dark Samus, Mario, DK, CATS, Kerrigan