I'm going to see Metallica in Philly, so I'll be gone for a couple of days. Might as well get this up while I can, and I'll see you all on Wednesday! =)

*Stats websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

*Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

*Miscellaneous*

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=3

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
**Board 8 User of the Year 2004** ~^SCC GOD^~

Come on...why isn't Bowser up on the prophet challenge page yet!!
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Crawling in my skin!!!!!!!!!!!!
These Wounds, they will not heal!!!!!

Steve Illumina: Master of Kira & Tanya in MK Deception, challenges anyone on this thread to Xbox Live MK Deception :)

As for my character battle reform ideas...Ceej thanked me for my "constructive input" :)

Woohootoodaloo! Take that, newbies and fellow elites :)
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Xbox Live ID: SteveIllumina*Kira Master*
MK Deception: No Kitana, but I got Tanya & Jade!

/em yells "Metallica sucks" and runs

>_>
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Ahem! There's LETTUCE on my boots!
http://www.geocities.com/lettucekefka/

On a more serious note, have fun ^^
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Ahem! There's LETTUCE on my boots!
http://www.geocities.com/lettucekefka/

Come on...why isn't Bowser up on the prophet challenge page yet!!

Better yet...why does Ryo Hazuki even HAVE a page on the Prophet Challenge site?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

Better yet...why does Ryo Hazuki even HAVE a page on the Prophet Challenge site?

I thought MMX's quote on Ryo's page was appropriate. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I have no idea what MMX said, but considering how angry he's been on GameFAQs the past day or two, I'm gonna assume Ryo got everything he deserved. =)
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2005
Currently sig-hunting. Beware, you may be next.

This is needed now.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

This is the bracket I was talking about... and look at who's Roll up against! =^_^=

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Snoo's predicted SC2K5 bracket v2.11
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Notes:
- Link and Cloud no longer included in the bracket.
- No company limits.

New characters (17):
- Lloyd Irving, Ashe, Nova, Ridley, Carl Johnson, Sub-Zero, Roll Casket,
Tifa Lockheart, Revolver Ocelot, Vaan, Dr. Wily, Billy Hatcher,
Vincent Valentine, Sarah Kerrigan, Mewtwo, Zidane, Cream the Rabbit

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Materia Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Sephiroth -
(16) Duke Nukem -

(8) Viewtiful Joe -
(9) Lloyd Irving -

(5) Yoshi -
(12) Miles "Tails" Prower -

(4) Aeris Gainsborough -
(13) Donkey Kong -

(6) Alucard -
(11) Revolver Ocelot -

(3) Zero -
(14) Sub-Zero -

(7) Ashe -
(10) Nova (Starcraft: Ghost) -

(2) Master Chief -
(15) Cream the Rabbit -

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Luminaire Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Crono -
(16) Billy Hatcher -

(8) Carl Johnson -
(9) Tommy Vercetti -

(5) Kirby -
(12) Protoman -

(4) Dante -
(13) Bomberman -

(6) Vivi -
(11) Mewtwo -

(3) Shadow the Hedgehog -
(14) Laharl -

(7) Vaan -
(10) Luigi -

(2) Solid Snake -
(15) Ghaleon -

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Shinespark Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Samus Aran -
(16) CATS -

(8) Ness -
(9) Roll Casket -

(5) Auron -
(12) Tidus -

(4) Ryu Hayabusa -
(13) Strider Hiryu -

(6) Squall Leonhart -
(11) Tifa Lockheart -

(3) Ganondorf -
(14) Bowser -

(7) Knuckles the Echidna -
(10) Ridley -

(2) Mega Man -
(15) Dr. Wily -

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Mushroom Division
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
(1) Mario -
(16) Earthworm Jim -

(8) Vincent Valentine -
(9) KOS-MOS -

(5) Ryu (Street Fighter) -
(12) Morrigan Aensland -

(4) Sora -
(13) Sarah Kerrigan -

(6) Frog (Chrono Trigger) -
(11) Kefka -

(3) Magus -
(14) Gordon Freeman -

(7) Liquid Snake -
(10) Jill Valentine -

(2) Sonic the Hedgehog -
(15) Zidane -

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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

I have no idea what MMX said, but considering how angry he's been on GameFAQs the past day or two, I'm gonna assume Ryo got everything he deserved. =)

It's on Ryo's page:

"Don't do a Ryo page, Ulti! It'll be a waste of my server space!!" -MMXcalibur
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ness? Ow. Unless a LOT of people mix up the two Rolls, Roll has no chance. And even if they do, I doubt she'd make it.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu. Now WTF is a unalo pot?

Ness beats Roll.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

HM, I thought you'd back me up here. :(
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

LOL, I didn't expect SMB1/MK2 to take the spotlight as far as my bracket goes. Seriously, people. That's a 5 vs. 12 match.

There's been a 5/12 upset in every contest, however.
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BtT: 3:47.63 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

It's on Ryo's page:

"Don't do a Ryo page, Ulti! It'll be a waste of my server space!!" -MMXcalibur

Like I said, Ryo got everything he deserved...nothing at all.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2005
Currently sig-hunting. Beware, you may be next.

Seriously, you people think that Roll will lose to Ness? Why?
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Seriously, you people think that Roll will lose to Ness? Why?

Because Ness and Master Chief are not given much respect in this topic.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Ness and MC get my respect, though Ness had to earn it this contest. Ness would still beat Roll 60-40, I think, probably more.
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Serious Reminder: Nominate Dr. Wily in 2005
Currently sig-hunting. Beware, you may be next.

To briefly return to the last topic, I'd be shocked if MK2 managed 40% on SMB. In fact, I'd say it'd be closer to a double up than anything. Seriously, you're putting the Mortal Kombat series against the Super Mario Bros. series. The only time a number matters IMO is with Final Fantasy. I'd pick SMB3 to get at *least* 70% on Mortal Kombat, and I couldn't see the change of numbers dropping matters even 3%. SMB3>SMB and MK2>MK wouldn't count for much at all. To the casual, they're the same game.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Your lack of faith in Roll is disturbing... >_>

Ok, let's review another one!

(7) Knuckles the Echidna -
(10) Ridley -

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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

You don't give the casuals enough credit.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

Like I said, Ryo got everything he deserved...nothing at all.

At this point, even I am beginning to want him out, just so I don't have to deal with the useless bashing.
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Hello. How are you?

I love Ridley, but I would be royally shocked if he got 30% or more on Knuckles.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Ridley is a midcarder at best. Knuckles would win comfortably.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

Of course not. That's why I said I'd laugh at anyone who thought SMB couldn't beat MK2.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Zero was one of the earliest pages there, yet nothing but his picture and theme are there for quite a while. Same goes to Mario and Sonic.
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Lonely Angel
http://img100.exs.cx/img100/8121/MrTsTopTen_thumb.gif

55/45 for Knuckles (I'm not kidding)
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Knux would prolly get around 60% on Ridley.
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BtT: 3:47.63 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Knuckles would win the match, but Ridley would certainly put up more of a fight than one would initially imagine -- such at 30%. <.<
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Considering Ridley is probably Metroid's second best rep, since he appears in the beginning of most of the games.
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Lonely Angel
http://img100.exs.cx/img100/8121/MrTsTopTen_thumb.gif

in which game is Ridley in anyways?
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

From: charmander6000 | Posted: 10/19/2004 7:50:48 PM | Message Detail
55/45 for Knuckles (I'm not kidding)
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

From: Janus5000 | Posted: 10/19/2004 7:51:01 PM | Message Detail
Knux would prolly get around 60% on Ridley.

40% on Snake does not impress you two at ALL?? 0_0

Seriously, I find it too hard to believe that Ridley could rank roughly between KOS-MOS and Viewtiful Joe in this year's X-Stats.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Metroid
Super Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime
Metroid: Zero Mission

He's been in them all minus Metroid II.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

40% on Snake does not impress you two at ALL?? 0_0

Seriously, I find it too hard to believe that Ridley could rank roughly between KOS-MOS and Viewtiful Joe in this year's X-Stats.

nope Ridley, Dr. Robotnik and Dr. Wily are going to be very underestimated next year (if they make it)

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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

40% on Snake does not impress you two at ALL?? 0_0

According to those same stats, Snake is significantly weaker than he was in prior years too. Really, a 70-30 split you said earlier was way, way to out there.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

There's no way I could see Robotnik making it, and the other two probably won't either.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

He's been in them all minus Metroid II.

then I'll stick to my 45% prediction and even give Ridley an outside chance of winning
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

I see Ridley as a slightly weaker Wario, since I think he's best compared to him.

I see Knuckles as a slightly weaker Shadow in 2k4 when Shadow isn't 12th.

40% on 2k4 Snake isn't that great.
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BtT: 3:47.63 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

I'm sure he's bound to appear in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes and Metroid Prime: Hunters as well. Nothing confirmed on those yet, however.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

There's no way Roll beats Ness. If you adjust Auron based on a constant Auron/Tails relationship, Ness goes up with him. Up to 23.46% on 2k3 Link, specifically, 10.51% higher than we thought he was and around Tail's level. Tails, Kefka, Vivi, Auron, and Ness, should they all return, will surprise people next year.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

nope Ridley, Dr. Robotnik and Dr. Wily are going to be very underestimated next year (if they make it)

...

So wait, the Sonic villain that despite a high IQ, manages to bungle EVERYTHING with some of the stupidest boss robots EVER is going to do well? He may not be fodder, but he won't be much higher than the fodderous species.

As for Dr. Wily, I don't know everything about the Megaman series, but I don't believe Dr. Wily has been in any amazing cut scenes or provides ROFL entertainment (Bowser). Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't he not the main boss of the Megaman X series (the popular Megaman series right now)? Dr. Wily will only be saved from fodder status by the dedicated Megaman series.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

I agree Ness has that match won
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

then I'll stick to my 45% prediction and even give Ridley an outside chance of winning

Please stop pulling a Heroic Mario that is 99.99% guaranteed to be wrong, and on my favorite character to boot.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

What I meant was that they wouldn't rank as 14 seeds, but more like 10/11 seeds
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Please stop pulling a Heroic Mario that is 99.99% guaranteed to be wrong, and on my favorite character to boot.

HM was MM, well I'm going for Metroid I can see Samus able to beat Sephiroth next year
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Ridley should rank a 10 or 11 seed? Ok. What does Knux constantly rank about? A 6 or 7 seed.

The X-Stats aren't law, but come on now.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Amen to Samus over Seph.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Huzzah for Samus over Seph!
That is, if there was no SFF this year...which I have no way of adjusting for, because Vivi and Auron are not reliable opponents.

Speaking of Auron, he may well be the 11th strongest character this contest. Stronger than Zero or Solid Snake.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

Ridley should rank a 10 or 11 seed? Ok. What does Knux constantly rank about? A 6 or 7 seed.

The X-Stats aren't law, but come on now.

I was talking about Dr. Robotnik/Wily and even them I was a little mean to them. True the x-st aren't law, but they do a good job giving us estimations

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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Speaking of Auron, he may well be the 11th strongest character this contest. Stronger than Zero or Solid Snake.

nope in my version of the SFF x-st Auron ranks 13th
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

nope in my version of the SFF x-st Auron ranks 13th

I would assume that that's behind Zero/Snake and ahead of Frog/MC/Liquid?
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

yup
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Out of curiosity, is Ryu ahead of the Frog trio in yours? It seems like I'm the only one.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

I'd eat my hat if Ridley turned out to be anything more than fodder.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Out of curiosity, is Ryu ahead of the Frog trio in yours? It seems like I'm the only one.

nope, but he's .10% away from them so it's anyone's match.

I'd eat my hat if Ridley turned out to be anything more than fodder.

If by fodder you mean under 50th then

*gives you a hat*
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Did Solid Snake get any adjusting due to the Solid **** factor in any of the extrapolateds? It looks so strange seeing him at number 12.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Did Solid Snake get any adjusting due to the Solid **** factor in any of the extrapolateds? It looks so strange seeing him at number 12.

That wouldn't change his ranking at all. It would affect the Frog trio and Crash.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

Wait, scratch that. If no adjusting for that has been done, it still needs to be, but with adjusting the Frog trio down, not Snake up. I would put them between Bowser and Alucard if I were doing it. I think Frog overperformed like mad due to that picture.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

I really need to delete my posts before I make a new post.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

The Frog trio is only a percent higher than Bowser as it is in my stats, so a match with him could go either way.
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"I would much rather this get bloody, master, but it is your call." ~ HK-47
http://img26.exs.cx/img26/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg

Am I the only one with Sonic ranking above Cloud and Link in my SFF-adjusted X-stats?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Yes, MasterMage. You're the only one.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Does that make me God?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

No, that makes you.........well, it's better off unsaid.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #13, 5-1
Next game: Alabama Crimson Tide (5-2)

Please stop pulling a Heroic Mario that is 99.99% guaranteed to be wrong, and on my favorite character to boot.

The fact that you underestimate Ridley is funny in itself. He's not saying that Ridley is going to take out Knuckles, but a 55-45 is nothing crazy, not at all. It's not like Ridley has to rank at some powerhouse type level in order to put up those numbers against Knuckles.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

Oh, and I'm all for Samus over Sephiroth. Considering that Sephiroth wins this year with ~54% and Samus has two great games coming out before 2005 she's looking solid for an upset pick.
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Carolina Panthers (1-4) @ Philadelphia Eagles 30-8 L
Next game: vs. San Diego Chargers (3-3)

He'd only have to be around the level of KOS-MOS, which is about where I would see Ridley at best.
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Not to mention only 30% on adjusted Knux puts Ridley around the level of Sam Fisher. 30% on unadjusted would put him near Gordon Freeman, he who never wins. 40% puts him on Joe's level, and I'd buy that easily.

Oh, and Phediuk, I hear hats taste wonderful fried :)
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Who was it that was supposed to eat his hat if Ness got 45% on Jak?
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Oh, and I'm all for Samus over Sephiroth. Considering that Sephiroth wins this year with ~54% and Samus has two great games coming out before 2005 she's looking solid for an upset pick.

Samus has an excellent shot at Seph next year, if you ask me. In addition to the two bigtime releases, her chances could likely increase even more if only Link is retired. There's no telling if she'll pick up any of the massive Link support. If she does, then watch out. However, I'm still thinking that her best shot lies with Hunters. We all know Prime 2 will be great and will ultimately sell well, but if the DS explodes, she could greatly increase in power.
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There's no telling if she'll pick up any of the massive Link support.

I don't understand why people are throwing this around. It's not like Link fans ONLY vote when he has a match, or that they have a big group meeting and decide who to support en masse. Samus will be just as strong next year with or without Link.
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There's no telling if she'll pick up any of the massive Link support

There's quite a bit saying that she won't; namely, she hasn't these past three years, and it's far more likely that Link supporters simply won't vote at all if there is no Link. Taking out Clink will not affect the rest of the field. And even it did, removing Cloud would help Sephy just as much.
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Yes, but I was suggesting that if only Link were retired next year. If Samus would remain at the same strength, Square characters would win for the next few years, easily. I have a feeling Nintendo fans won't be content with this. They NEED someone to contend for the title, just like Square fans NEED Cloud and Seph.
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Ridley is a midcarder at best. Knuckles would win comfortably.

Knuckles is only behind Mega Man in my favorite characters ever, but I'm gonna pick this apart. Do you mean to tell me that Knuckles is much more than a midcarder himself? He's a legit 6-seed and not much higher, if any. I can easily see Ridley being 8-seed material or higher, and he's untested. To get 45% on Knuckles, he would need to be at Yuna's strength in 2k3 (pre-FFX-2)...would it be THAT hard to believe Ridley could do that?

Can somebody do the favor of testing the range that Ridley could be in if we went by hero-villian relationships? By that, I mean predicting Ridley's strength by comparing Samus's strength to Ridley's if their relationship was like Link/Ganon and if their relationship was like Liquid/Solid.
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Knuckles actually placed 28th, making him a 7 seed at best. Now, bring back Aeris/Zelda and bring up Tidus/Shadow and he's an 8. As far as Hero/Villain goes:

If Samus:Ridley::Link:Ganondorf, Ridley gets 26.85% on Link 2k3.

If Samus:Ridley::Solid:Liquid, Ridley gets 41.24% on Link 2k3.
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Knuckles could beat any midcarder (around the range of #32, of course) comfortably, by which I mean 55/45. Knuckles is slightly above the middle of the pack.
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The relationship is much more likely to be Link/Ganon than Solid/Liquid, although I don't like to treat these hero/villain relationship theories like they're law.
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It could be just as bad as Link/Ganon, if not worse. Honestly, has Ridley even been mentioned by name in the entire series? I don't recall it happening in Super Metroid or Prime...
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It could be just as bad as Link/Ganon, if not worse. Honestly, has Ridley even been mentioned by name in the entire series? I don't recall it happening in Super Metroid or Prime...

You can scan him in Prime, or the version of him that Prime has... And SSBM has his trophy, if I recall correctly.
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I don't recall it happening in Super Metroid or Prime...

It happens several times in Prime, and there are, you know, the pictures. With that said, I'd pick Knux over Ridley, but when you start drifting too far below him, I start picking Ridley.
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So, without adjusting for Link/Mega Man, Knuckles would actually lose in a close one if Ridley was at the very bottom of that range. That's not to say that hero-villians can't be further apart than Link/Ganon, but that's already a large gap to cover...though I think Samus/Ridley would be a lil' further apart; Link/Ganon and Samus/Ridley don't have that much difference between them except an appearance in SSBM. With Knuckles getting a likely boost from Link/Mega Man and Samus/Ridley likely being a lil' further apart than Link/Ganon, I would give Knuckles a 57% win now that I have thought on it, based on all of that.

The question now, assuming my logic is correct at all, is how much would MH and MP2 help Ridley's cause? Out of speculation, I give Knuckles a 53% win for now.
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Hm...If Knuckles won with anywhere from 53-57%, how would Ridley stack up against Kefka?
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Depends if Kefka's another statistical oddball or not next year. If not, it could be a potential bracket-buster. If so, well...that makes it all the more bracket-busting.
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WTF is Ridly???

No kidding, and this is coming from a dedicated devoted Nintendo DIEHARD fan that had Link winning it all in his bracket and heart for 2 straight years.

This ridly thing does not equal Bowser or Ganondorf interms of popularity, i can assure you of that. If you guys are in desperate need of a nintendo villain, go with smithy.
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... I wouldn't say you are a huge diehard if you don't know one of the staple bosses from the Metroid series. O_o
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WTF is Ridly???

No kidding, and this is coming from a dedicated devoted Nintendo DIEHARD fan that had Link winning it all in his bracket and heart for 2 straight years.

This ridly thing does not equal Bowser or Ganondorf interms of popularity, i can assure you of that. If you guys are in desperate need of a nintendo villain, go with smithy.
Nintendo+ Square= Ownage....(i believe i said this before... >_<)

As silly as it sounds, this is why I doubt Ridley's strength. He's just so much less than the other Nintendo villains. He doesn't say anything, you hardly see him through the course of the game, and he's not even the last boss. Don't get me wrong, I love and will be nominating him, but it's clear to see how Ridley differs from the likes of Bowser and Ganondorf.
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Well, i've been playing Mario and Zeldas since a loooooong time ago. So long that i've actually forgotten how far back it was. While i'm a stauch supporter of the Big N, i've never been a big fan of the Metriod series. Maybe that explained why?
Although, quite frankly i did enjoy Prime to a certain extent.
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Ridley would murder Smithy. If Square + Nintendo is unstoppable, how did Square alone manage to stop SMRPG?
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I am a fairly big Nintendo fan but I honestly never heard of Ridley before SSBM. Granted, I don't really like the Metroid games but still... I know characters from other games I don't like/haven't played...
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As silly as it sounds, this is why I doubt Ridley's strength. He's just so much less than the other Nintendo villains. He doesn't say anything, you hardly see him through the course of the game, and he's not even the last boss. Don't get me wrong, I love and will be nominating him, but it's clear to see how Ridley differs from the likes of Bowser and Ganondorf.

*nods*
I'm just simply reflecting how the majority would respond. They would have absolutely NO clue who Ridley was. Even if they do, villains of Nintendo never had a reputation of doing well anyway. And they aren't just ordinary bad guys. They're the villains of all villains, the Bowsers and Ganondorfs of the world.

Ridley???(ofcourse i knew who he was, i've heard of him) I'll put him on the same page as that ridiculous final boss in Earthbound. What was his name again?

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The majority wouldn't know who Magus is, either.
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In most other sites, I would agree with you.
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Ridley would murder Smithy. If Square + Nintendo is unstoppable, how did Square alone manage to stop SMRPG?

Some little thing you guys referred as SFF? In contrary to what i believe, my gut tells me that, yes Ridley would beat Smithy here in Gamefaqs.
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Super Mario RPG's my second favorite RPG, but even then, I barely remember who Smithy is. Smithy would likely be a step above fodder.
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Ridley would kill whoever the hell this Smithy guy is. Seriously, talk about an unknown villain. Come to think of it, I still can't believe Street Fighter 2 lost. ;_;
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I don't think recognition would be a problem for Ridley at all. It's just a matter of how many people decide to vote for him. And he would most likely have a kickass picture.
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On a side note. Why hasn't Mewtwo made an appearance in any of these contest yet? He's certainly popular enough. And suffice to say, doesn't suffer from the same anti vote from fan-public number 1 pikachu.
If Mewtwo is to match up against Ridley, i would go with Mewtwo in a heartbeat.
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doesn't suffer from the same anti vote from fan-public number 1 pikachu.

You sure about that? A Pokemon is a pokemon no matter how you slice it. He could be stronger than Pikachu, but it wouldn't be by that much.
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Pokemon will never get in again. Pikachu got thrashed by Fox and he appears to be Pokemon's rep.
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Mewtwo is a badass psychic pokemon though. He doesn't have the ridiculous cute thing going on. Why should the likes of Guybrush and Ryo be allowed in yet Mewtwo not be allowed in?
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CJay needs a favorite-Pokemon poll sometime during this off-season.
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Mewtwo was an unlockable character in SSBM, wonder of that would help him get. Although I'm not too sure on American popularity, but Pikachu is first in Japan followed by Purin (Jigglypuff).
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I'll certainly agree with you on the Guybrush/Ryo thing, but why put MewTwo in when you can put Zelda/Aeris/Ocelot/Fox/Kerrigan/Sub-Zero/Vincent/Lloyd/Ken/Bass/Wily etc in?
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Oh, and for every anti-vote that Mewtwo wouldn't get, Mewtwo would also lose a vote for being more obscure than Pikachu...if you ask me, of course.
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In America, liking Pokemon isn't "cool" enough anyway. I would be willing to bet most people LIKE it, but they won't admit it.
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Zelda/Aeris/Ocelot/Fox/Kerrigan/Sub-Zero/Vincent/Lloyd/Ken/Bass/Wily
Because there is probably enough fodder to put all of those in anyway. Also, who is Ocelot?
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Yeah, the series has sold millions, but it's probably the gameplay.
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Revolver Ocelot? MGS(2)? I wouldn't expect too much out of him, but then I didn't expect too much out of Liquid and Ocelot is arguably the main villain.
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Mewtwo obscure? Anyone who played Red/Blue (most people who come to this site at least) would know who he is. And hell, they'd probably vote for him just because they became abruptly reminded of him and reminisced.
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Honestly, since Raiden was SFF by Snake in 2K3, it might be interesting seeing if he had any strength.
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I'll second Raiden returning.

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I insist on Raiden returning.
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Let's all push for Mewtwo and Raiden next year then!!!
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I'm sure someone has done this before, but where would Raiden place if he was SFF'd about as badly as Ganondorf?
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I'm sure someone has done this before, but where would Raiden place if he was SFF'd about as badly as Ganondorf?

Somewhere around 23% on 2k3 Link (Ness/Kefka levels).
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I'd really like to think that Raiden can do better than that, but I'm gonna face facts and say that's his max right there. Regardless, I insist on him coming back so we can settle this.
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Ulti, I love the bios you and MMX have written on the prophet site =)


Are you gonna add more? And will you add people like Bubu and Q-Burt who appeared only during the first contest?


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I still wish there would be some guest writers. V_V It would make my fifteen minutes to write Sonic's bio.
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Ness/Kekfa levels are nothing to be ashamed of. It's higher than Hayabusa, Jill, and Joe. And, honestly, who would vote Raiden over Snake? He could have been SFF'd worse than GDorf for all we know.
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I'd like to think that happened and actually thought about it, heh, but it's still hard to imagine just how badly Ganondorf suffered. Imagining Raiden suffered more would be incredible. Besides, Raiden's from only one game and was considered a disappointment by many...it's only wishful thinking to think Raiden suffered even as bad as Ganondorf.
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Also, the Magus theme doesn't work on Magus bio...
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I just checked and it worked fine for me...
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Well, since everyone is making their own brackets, I did one too, just for the heck of it. Is it over-saturated with Nintendo/Square? Very. Is it 100% SFF free? No. Are there unnecessary rematches? Yeah, I tried to avoid them, but some ended up in there. Also, since I never played FF8 or FF9, I didn't know which characters would be good representatives (except Squall and Vivi), so I didn't pick any. Never played FF7 hardly either, but we already have 3... and Tifa's pretty popular, If I remember one of the older polls correctly.

Some characters don't belong... I kind of ran out of ideas, and just threw in whatever I could think of. I didn't seed any of the new characters too high, since they're unknown, and I'd rather see lower seeds overperform than high seeds bomb.



Division 1

1.) Sephiroth
16.) CATS

8.) Fox Mcloud
9.) Miles "Tails" Prower

5.) Aeris
12.) Ness

4.) Zelda
13.) Diablo - Heh, both characters are named after their games. Which is probably the only reason either of them would get any votes at all.

6.) Alucard
11.) Celes

3.) Solid Snake
14.) Captain Falcon

7.) Shadow the Hedgehog
10.) Ridley

2.) Crono
15.) Diddy Kong - DK isn't a powerhouse, so that puts Diddy pretty low. Anybody else that deserves this spot more?

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Division 2

1.) Samus
16.) Pikachu - doesn't deserve to be here, but it's for the sake of making Samus look good :D

8.) Tifa
9.) Sub-Zero - Supposed to be > Scorpion. So I put him in.

5.) Bowser
12.) Morrigan - Not even familiar with her game(s), but she did alright looking at her matches.

4.) Squall
13.) Milk Nukem

6.) Sora
11.) Kerrigan - Would the game's popularity affect her at all?

3.) Zero
14.) Mewtwo - Better than Pikachu. But eh... so is almost everyone else.

7.) Kirby
10.) Terra

2.) Mega Man - Mega Man/Zero repeat sucks, so that has to change.
15.) Toad

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Division 3

1.) Cloud
16.) Lara Croft - She sucked this year, I don't like her, so who should take her place?

8.) Luigi
9.) Ken

5.) Master Chief
12.) Geno

4.) Frog
13.) Roy - Another filler character. Who should I put here?

6.) Auron
11.) Revolver Ocelot

3.) Magus
14.) Earthworm Jim - probably should be a 16, but I had to sneak in a bit of personal bias here.

7.) Tidus
10.) Cecil - SFF? FFX is more recent, so Tidus might get all the votes.

2.) Mario
15.) Kraid - who should go here?
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Division 4

1.) Link
16.) Tingle - yeah, he doesn't belong anywhere near the contest. Whoever gets this spot will get destroyed, so I just had fun with it.

8.) Knuckles
9.) DK

5.) Liquid Snake
12.) Scorpion

4.) Ryu
13.) Marth - Same as Roy.

6.) Yoshi
11.) Kain Highwind

3.) Ganondorf
14.) Gordan Freeman

7.) Vivi
10.) Kefka - SFF?

2.) Sonic
15.) Princess Peach

I couldn't think of any clever names for the divisions.

Now feel free to tear this apart with harsh criticism!


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It could be just as bad as Link/Ganon, if not worse. Honestly, has Ridley even been mentioned by name in the entire series? I don't recall it happening in Super Metroid or Prime...


Ridley has been in every Metroid game up until now with the sole exception being Metroid II: Return of Samus. The odds of people not knowing Ridely seems very unlikely. You're talking about the most well-known villain from the Metroid series afterall.
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No kidding, and this is coming from a dedicated devoted Nintendo DIEHARD fan that had Link winning it all in his bracket and heart for 2 straight years.

I'm a diehard fan who knows the companies history from when they were making cards up until the current generation, get profit reports, keep up with all the latest releases, and information coming from them. I might be an exception, but heck I know who Ridley is.
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I'm just simply reflecting how the majority would respond. They would have absolutely NO clue who Ridley was.

Most people who have an interest in the Metroid series or has at least played one game outside of Metroid II knows of Ridley. He's even got his ability to get his name out threw trophies in SSBM and what not. He's not on the level of Bowser or Ganondorf, sure, but that doesn't take away from his ability to do pretty well in this contest.
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Ridley wouldn't do bad at all. Anybody who's a fan of Metroid should know who Ridley is. And those people are sure to back him up against a lot of characters.
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Ridley would kick ass. As long as Ceej doesn't use a pic from the original Metroid. A pic from Prime would give the pick advantage to Ridley over anyone lacking ninja or pirate abilities.

And I'd take Ridley over Mewtwo. But I've said I'd take Freeman over Mewtwo.
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7.) Tidus
10.) Cecil

I'd laugh if this match ended like the "favorite FF hero" poll predicted.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

But....GFNW, right?

A pic of Meta-Ridley would be very cool.

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Something has to fill this spot.

I'd laugh if this match ended like the "favorite FF hero" poll predicted.

Which poll? I want to see it.
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Something has to fill this spot.

Most people who have an interest in the Metroid series or has at least played one game outside of Metroid II knows of Ridley. He's even got his ability to get his name out threw trophies in SSBM and what not. He's not on the level of Bowser or Ganondorf, sure, but that doesn't take away from his ability to do pretty well in this contest.

Wow, really??(sarcasm)
A FRIGGIN TROPHY IN SSBM!!!?? What are there like thousands of them and He HAS ONE!!!

If we're to put Ridley in this contest, we might as well add bahamut. He would totally annihilate that dragon wannabe.
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"If we're to put Ridley in this contest, we might as well add bahamut. He would totally annihilate that dragon wannabe."

You do realize that the Metroid series were around for a full year before the first Final Fantasy was released in Japan? Now who's the 'dragon wannabe'?

Baka...
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whoa, let's put in a great wyrm gold dragon from DnD.

that came out 30 years ago, before metroid...

<_<

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Wow, really??(sarcasm)
A FRIGGIN TROPHY IN SSBM!!!?? What are there like thousands of them and He HAS ONE!!!

Well, that was for more of people like you who either wouldn't vote for him in the first place or rarely play the Metroid series.

If we're to put Ridley in this contest, we might as well add bahamut. He would totally annihilate that dragon wannabe.

Except Ridley would kill Bahamut in a match.
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Interesting match here. You have the game of a character that performs well year after year going against Starcraft's little brother. However, unlike Starcraft, D2 is actually on the PC's top 10 lists... while it may not be stronger than Starcraft, it at least shows people here play it. That's all it needs to do... leave the rest to the Koreans.

I'm fairly sure that Diablo 2 is the most popular game on Battle.net, but don't quote me on that.
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Agent M, put in Vincent instead of Tifa. Also, I'm getting tired of seeing those damn Tails/Fox and Aeris/Zelda matches in every bracket. Adjust to change those.
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The Sims is the best-selling game, all systems combined, of all time.
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No, Ulti, that's best-selling PC game of all time.
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BTW, all systems combined, Tetris has sold way, way more copies than any other game. Ever.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Yeah, but Tetris was packed in with the GB. Sold 33 million, and if you're going to include pack-ins, it's still outdone by SMB1 at 40 million copies.

BTW, I think the Sims sold 11 millions.
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(3) Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
(2) Super Smash Bros. Melee

I've argued this over and over again, and I'll do it again if I need to. Screw 128 transitivity, it's as reliable as a Canadian Army vehicle. If you missed my argument, in a nutshell, it's that Wind Waker faced Starcraft on a Saturday, where B.net traffic is double what it is on other days. Twice as many people could be reached with the spamming, so... you do the math.

I've explained this to you before, but once more can't hurt. If anything, I feel that your reasoning for this pick is little more than you liking Wind Waker more than SSBM moreso than it is the strength of the two games. The "Starcraft had Saturday on its side" argument is an excuse, because anyone who actually goes on Bnet regularly knows full well that the only time traffic really spikes irregularly is late on Saturday night. During every other time of the week, traffic is somewhat static.

For that reason alone, Starcraft is the perfect example of why SSBM would rip the crap out of Wind Waker. During a match that featured little hype on Starcraft sites and little to no spamming until late in the match, Wind Waker managed a 2000 vote lead. After Starcraft won that match, the hype for it's next match, which was a mere four days away, grew insane. Virtually every Starcraft site/forum was talking about it, hyping it, advertising it -- name any medium for attention that could have been given to that match by Starcraft fans on most American-based websites, and it was there.

During that match, unlike the match with Wind Waker, there was spamming all day. There was vote-stuffing all day. There was advertising all day. There was Bnet botting going on all day. The Wind Waker didn't have to absorb Starcraft's best shot until the last few hours of the match. SSBM absorbed the best that Starcraft had to give all day.

And SSBM managed a lead of 3700 votes in this time period before a few dumbassed vote-stuffers over in Asia figured out that the best efforts of the Starcraft community weren't getting the job done. Starcraft gave SSBM everything it had all day, and didn't even come close to winning the match. The only reason that match even looks close on paper is because the cheated votes were left in the stats, and these 637 (or whatever the number was) cheated votes being found only tells half the story. Starcraft gained 1300 votes in 30 minutes, not 637. And regardless of all of this, SSBM won the match. Not only that, but SSBM managed a 3700 vote lead on Starcraft when it was fighting back the hardest from the time the poll opened until the time the poll closed. The Wind Waker managed a lead of 2000 when Starcraft was doing jack **** for itself.

And The Wind Waker is supposed to be able to compete with this? Please.
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you also forgot to note about SC having about the same number of votes on KH and WW despite being on different days.
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Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Also a little late I know, my analysis on Slow's bracket (I've only done half of the first round)

(1) Final Fantasy 7
(16) Pong

Pong is your weakest returning game. I guess it’s only here because well it’s Pong. This’ll probably be the only 90% blowout if there is one.

(8) Megaman X
(9) Metroid

This will probably be a tough match since no Mega Man games made it last year and Metroid got SFF by Super Mario Bros. 3 so really it’s a matter of your opinion, but the winner of this match will not win by more than 55%.

(5) Super Mario 64
(12) Baldur's Gate 2

Mario’s first 3D game returns to prove that it got some serious SFF against Ocarina of Time in round 2 last year by easily beating BG2.

(4) Super Metroid
(13) Marvel vs. Capcom 2

Another game that got SFF against a Legend of Zelda game and is back to prove that it has what it takes to take out little games like MvC2.

(6) Diablo 2
(11) Devil May Cry

Both great games and I have a feeling that DMC is underseeded. Like Starcraft, Diablo 2 is also on battlenet so it will get support like SC did, but I don’t think Diablo 2 would be stronger than SC even with battlenet’s help. I actually think that DMC could win a match if it wasn’t against a game like Diablo 2.

(3) Legend of Zelda
(14) Civilization 3

We have Link’s first game ready to dominate his first round opponent we ease. Let’s hope it’s not as bad as last time.

(7) Sonic 3 & Knuckles
(10) Street Fighter 2

Said to be Sonic’s greatest game. Street Fighter 2 suffered a first round lost to Super Mario RPG, but I think it will lose again. Whether or not you believe the SMW/Sonic 2 SFF (I don’t) you have to notice that Sonic 2 isn’t that far away from Street Fighter 2. No matter who wins, the winner will not have more than 55% of the vote.

(2) Super Mario Bros. 3
(15) Morrowind

With Mario’s best game here he’ll have no problem beating Morrowind.

(1) Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
(16) Pokémon Gold/Silver/Crystal

I know Pokémon is weak, but not that weak. I would actually put Pokémon over a few games that are seeded higher than it is, plus Red/Blue is better, but Link to the Past has this won.

(8) Soul Calibur 2
(9) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

I find it weird that Soul Calibur did so well in lasts year contest. Will that mean Soul Calibur 2 should be stronger? Could we see a new game being the strongest 128-bit game? Well maybe not, but I don’t see Soul Calibur 2 be any weaker than Soul Calibur so this was easy.

(5) Super Mario Bros.
(12) Mortal Kombat 2

Well both games had there prequel/squeal in it last year and many of us say that SMB3 > SMB and MK2 > MK. This match has the potential to be close, but I don’t think so. I can see Super Mario Bros. being slightly weaker than Super Mario World and I don’t think Mortal Kombat 2 is that good to be ranked up that high.

(4) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(13) Doom

If San Andreas is anything like Vice City it has this match won. Even if it isn’t it’ll still have this match won.

(6) Final Fantasy
(11) The Sims

This could be a close match, with The Sims being a very popular PC game, but I don’t see Final Fantasy losing this match. This is GameFAQs where RPG rules, but like I said it’s anybodies game.

(3) Starcraft
(14) Resident Evil 2

Mass Carries = Instant Win. Even though in my opinion RE2 is better than RE Starcraft still has Battlenet

(7) Metal Gear Solid
(10) Sonic the Hedgehog 2

One of PS’s greatest games will easily beat one of Genesis’s greatest games. Too bad, since Sonic 2 was a good game too.

(2) Halo 2
(15) Kirby Super Star

KSS is a little underseeded, but were finally get to see Xbox’s new best game in action this year. It’s also ready to see if it can finally beat the game that beat its prequel last year in round 1 too.
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During that match, unlike the match with Wind Waker[...]

I have trouble believing that, personally.

If anything, I feel that your reasoning for this pick is little more than you liking Wind Waker more than SSBM moreso than it is the strength of the two games.

If you think that's really my modus operandi, explain how I have Diablo 2 losing in the second round while virtually everyone who predicted had it getting further.
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I remembered that, but found it meaningless to the current debate.

The fact of the matter is that SSBM would beat Wind Waker with ease in a poll. I fail to see how anyone who has played Wind Waker, SSBM, and Starcraft could possibly think otherwise.
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If you think that's really my modus operandi, explain how I have Diablo 2 losing in the second round while virtually everyone who predicted had it getting further.

I could have sworn you said WW was your third favorite game.
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Fifth. </anal-retentive mode> You must've had Prime in mind, because that's what I rank third.

And SSBM isn't that far off my top 10 either.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu. Now WTF is a unalo pot?

Well excuuuuuuse me, Prince =)

I just know that whenever I have one of my favorites going into a match, I look for any reason there is to justify it having a chance. I mean damn, if my third favorite game were in an obvious no-win situation, I would come up with any reason I could--

Oh wait a minute, Final Fantasy 7 is my third favorite game.

Fine, if my fifth favor-----

Wait, my fifth favorite game is Link to the Past. Never mind =)
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I really need to come up with a list of my top 25 games. I did characters, but games would be far more difficult.

1 - Final Fantasy Tactics
2 - Disgaea
3 - Final Fantasy 7
4 - Chrono Trigger
5 - The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

Past there, it would be a true *****.
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*Remembers me saying Pac-Man suffered SFF and is stronger*

Yup people also had Pac-Man as a 10 seed when they made there SC2k4 brackets, too bad he lost badly to Luigi.
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Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

I mean damn, if my third favorite game were in an obvious no-win situation, I would come up with any reason I could

I wouldn't, and I didn't. I vehemently argued in favor of Wind Waker against one of three games I'd give a perfect 10 from day one.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu. Now WTF is a unalo pot?

Okay, this discussion isn't going anywhere. We just have to wait for the match, I suppose.

*disguised way of asking "What the **** is an unalo pot?"*
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Except Ridley would kill Bahamut in a match.

I'm sure Ridley would ANNIHILATE Bahamut just like how megaman was suppose to beat Link RIGHT!?
RIGHT!!!!!

I hope you were being sarcastic HM. NPCs or the non-protagonist of squaresoft tend to fare better than those from Nintendos. Not to mention that the final fantasy franchise is argurably 10X more popular than the Metriod series. Plus the fact that Bahamut was virtually in all the FFs.(and he's TEH coolest thing in final fantasy IMO) WE know the old school fans and fans of FF in this generation has a very different and diverse taste. If there is one thing they have in common it's that they all love Chocobos and Bahamut.(ok make that two)

I'm willing to bet anything and EVERYTHING that Bahamut would beat Ridley handily here in gamefaqs(if they ever do meet).

FACTS:
-Bahamut is more popular than Ridley(undisputed fact)
-Final Fantasy 7 was the BEST.GAME.EVER and bahamut made an appearance in it.
-Bahamut is in more games than Ridley
-Bahamut could spit fire thus Equals to PWNage!!!!11!
-I like bahamut better and s/he has MY vote!
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.... Please stop, I'm going to get a headache. T_T
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Ridley would kill Bahamut.
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this post makes me sad

-Bahamut is more popular than Ridley(undisputed fact)

It's obviously not undisputed, otherwise no one would be arguing with you. >_>

-Final Fantasy 7 was the BEST.GAME.EVER and bahamut made an appearance in it.

>_>

-Bahamut is in more games than Ridley

And Mario is in more games than Crono; why does that matter?

-Bahamut could spit fire thus Equals to PWNage!!!!11!

And why does that matter?

-I like bahamut better and s/he has MY vote!

And Ridley has my vote. Yay, now they'll be tied. >_> <_<
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Wow, really??(sarcasm)
A FRIGGIN TROPHY IN SSBM!!!?? What are there like thousands of them and He HAS ONE!!!

292 total if I'm remembering right.

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290.

And I think HM meant that Ridley would take down Bahamut in a fight, actually. It's not like they aren't both the same damned thing using the same damned attacks or anything.

It comes down to preference. I like Ridley better, and therefore I believe that Ridley would annihilate Bahamut in a fight. Hell, you could blind Bahamut in FF8. All Ridley would have to do is spit in Bahamut's eyes prior to ripping the hell out of him. There, that's my proof.

And this can't be argued, especially considering all subjective opinions are ABSOLUTE PROVEN FACTS.
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290 in the U.S. version and there were three others that were only in Japan:

291. Tamagon - Japan Only
292. Mario Riding Yoshi - Japanese promotion
293. Helmet-less Samus - Japanese promotion

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From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 10/20/2004 8:35:04 AM | Message Detail
If we're to put Ridley in this contest, we might as well add bahamut. He would totally annihilate that dragon wannabe.

Except Ridley would kill Bahamut in a match.

That implies in a poll match to me, and I certainly meant in a poll. The main villain of the Metroid series wouldn't have much trouble with a summon, methinks.

292. Mario Riding Yoshi - Japanese promotion

WHOAMG LUEshi = Instant Win!
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"Oh, and for every anti-vote that Mewtwo wouldn't get, Mewtwo would also lose a vote for being more obscure than Pikachu...if you ask me, of course"

You're one of those people that think Vincent wouldn't pimp slap 90% of the competition, aren't you? This is a friggin FAQs site, people have a tendancy to come here and make "obscure" things like MewFrigginTwo well known. If that cat* is obscure on GameFAQs, then Solid Snake is obscure on GameFAQs.

Technically he is some sort of mutated cat. Damn scientists and their forced evolution.
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You're one of those people that think Vincent wouldn't pimp slap 90% of the competition, aren't you? This is a friggin FAQs site, people have a tendancy to come here and make "obscure" things like MewFrigginTwo well known. If that cat* is obscure on GameFAQs, then Solid Snake is obscure on GameFAQs.

Technically he is some sort of mutated cat. Damn scientists and their forced evolution.

Isn't 90% of the competition a bit high? Where would you place him in the 2004 X-Sts?

I can imagine him being quite strong but that just seems a little too high...

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"The main villain of the Metroid series wouldn't have much trouble with a summon, methinks."

Since when is he the main villain? Until I came here I thought Mother Brain was the most well known Metroid villain. In fact, thanks to the Captain N show I don't doubt that it was true for a long while, and it may even still be.

"Isn't 90% of the competition a bit high? Where would you place him in the 2004 X-Sts?"

Honestly? I've always thought he could take down Mario, ergo 90% of the field. Realistically? I don't see him below 30% on Link.
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Okay... I thought he would be around Ganondorf to Zero level.

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I have high expectations :)

Though yes, that's a realistic place from hich he could whoop 80% of the asses below him.
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I have high expectations :)

Yes, I know. ^_^

I seem to recall you making some odd comment about wanting Vincent in your bed. ^_^

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Since when is he the main villain? Until I came here I thought Mother Brain was the most well known Metroid villain.

I'd argue Ridley is the main villain; he is the instigator of the events of Super Metroid, he appears in more games than the Mother Brain, and battles against him are nothing short of epic.

Honestly? I've always thought he could take down Mario, ergo 90% of the field. Realistically? I don't see him below 30% on Link.

Vincent over Mario? I don't agree with that at all. I'd stick him around Dante: ~28% on 2k3 Link.
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Ok. We need Ridley vs. Bahamut in the next battle. But I guess we don't exactly know if the format is going to stay the same.
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Something has to fill this spot.

Heh, if it's tag-team, put Ridley and Bahamut on the same team :D
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Something has to fill this spot.

Final Fantasy 7 was the BEST.GAME.EVER and bahamut made an appearance in it.

Ness was in SSBM. By your logic, Ness is semifinal material.
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Since when is he the main villain? Until I came here I thought Mother Brain was the most well known Metroid villain.

That may be true, but it doesn't make Ridley any less of a major villain. It's kind of like the Metal Gear series - arguably the Metal Gears themselves are the main villains of the series as a whole, and how many times are they the final bosses? Zero.
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Ness was in SSBM. By your logic, Ness is semifinal material.

No, but it did make Ness a hell lot stronger than he was before his reappearance in SSB.

You know who else was in SSBM? That's right LINK! And he just won the CONTEST!!! Seems like i do have a point... hmmm
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More on Alucard's mysterious 4 pack from last year:

Alucard's new value against 2k3 Link (arrived at by Gdorf SFF adjustments) predicts him getting 29.92% against 2k3 Sephiroth, a 2.21% underperformance compared to the 27.71% he actually got.

This new Alucard value predicts that Kirby would get 28.43% against 2k3 Link. In my stats, after adjusting for Cloud/Squall SFF, Kirby is expected to get 28.54%, a difference of only .11%.

The new Alucard value also predicts that Bomberman would get 21.14% against 2k3 Link, 1.22% different than the 22.36% my stats calculate him at.

So even multiple SFF adjusted stats can be accurate.
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Dante is a little too low for Vincent. I haven't got any doubt about his ability to beat Dante, hell, I can't even see him losing to Frog. Near Ganon/Zero is about as low as I'd consider putting him.

"arguably the Metal Gears themselves are the main villains of the series as a whole"

I only saw the Metal Gear as being the main boss of the first. And main boss =/= main villain. A villain (at least in this sense) is a person or some other sentient being, a metal gear is not one of those things.

Either way, I wouldn't call him the "main" villain as of yet, unless his role continues to be prevalent.
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And Mario is in more games than Crono; why does that matter?

If my memory serves me right, i think Mario had won 2 out of the 3 battles against Crono. That makes Mario better, atleast for now right?

Being in more games could only HELP, that's the point i'm trying to imply. It's not like MASSS GAme Appearance= INSTANT WIN!!!

And Ridley has my vote. Yay, now they'll be tied. >_> <_<

You're right... CURSE YOU!!
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Pikachu was in SSB and SSBM. What happened to that argument now?

You're one of those people that think Vincent wouldn't pimp slap 90% of the competition, aren't you? This is a friggin FAQs site, people have a tendancy to come here and make "obscure" things like MewFrigginTwo well known. If that cat* is obscure on GameFAQs, then Solid Snake is obscure on GameFAQs.

If people are going to argue Ridley wouldn't be known on GameFAQs, I'm gonna argue that MewTwo wouldn't be known on GameFAQs. Also, though I know you've corrected yourself now, I can't imagine Vincent being about Aeris, and I think he'd be closer to Yoshi's level than hers right now. Once FF:AC and that other game that supposed to have Vincent drops, all that could change, but for now I see him being over-rated but still strong.
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*That's not to say that Yoshi would beat Vincent; Vincent would be between Aeris and Yoshi, and I think he'd be closer to Yoshi's half than Aeris's if ya drew a line between them.
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And I think you underestimate the fact that we are on a site whose very nature is to inform people of all these secrets in games. Given the primary basis of this site's original boom in popularity, Final Fantasy 7 FAQ , you can almost imply that the resaon this site existed to begin with was to tell people about Vincent.

They know him, they like him. He gets more time in any fan fic than any other FF7 character excluding Cloud and Seph. Why? Because people like him. Fan fic writers and (more importantly, as you'll see, if you see the logic I'm using) doujinshi artists are the hardcore fans, and those hardcore fans eat the guy up (or send Sephiroth to do it, whatever). So much so, in fact, that Square took notice of this and said "Hey, let's make a game starring Vincent because people like him so damn much!"

He's getting that game because he's already popular. It will increase casual awareness of him, no doubt, but as it stands he is not doubt 3rd most popular among FF7 fans. Barring some abnormality where Tifa fans would vote for Aeris (most of which hate her) HEAVILY, I cannot see Vincent being capable of losing to Aeris. Aeris splits the fanbase, very few people like Tifa AND Aeris and those that do still tend have strong leanings toward one or another. Spoilers or no, she just isn't as capable of rallying the whole fanbase as Vincent. Yes, he has his haters, but the majority of the people I've known to hate him don't like FF7 anyway. Given that this is a site that essentially has existed to teach people about Vincent, I don't think his being hidden means anything in the slightest. That being said, him being far less polar and certainly more popular among the whole cast than Tifa/Aeris gives him a sizable advantage over the spoilers of Aeris.
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You know who else was in SSBM? That's right LINK! And he just won the CONTEST!!! Seems like i do have a point... hmmm

Please tell me you are joking. =(

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If my memory serves me right, i think Mario had won 2 out of the 3 battles against Crono. That makes Mario better, atleast for now right?

No, it means that Mario was stronger than Crono in previous years (2003 is debateable) and is weaker than Crono now...

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"before a few dumbassed vote-stuffers over in Asia"

I live in the Philippines and I find this comment highly offensive... >:(
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I believe Crono got a small boost for whatever reason, not unlike Link and Samus. Maybe this was the year of the mute heroes not named Mario or something.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu. Now WTF is a unalo pot?

I live in the Philippines and I find this comment highly offensive... >:(

The person(s) who did the vote stuffing apparently lived in Asia... I can't remember for certain, but for some reason I seem to remember Japan being mentioned.

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Look at the guys who gained: Ness, Sora, Kefka, MC, Auron, Link, and Samus. Most of them are silent.

If you rule out SFF discrepancies, the guys who gained are: MC, Link, Samus, Crono, Nukem, and Ryu. Most of them are silent, too.

Silence = Instant Gain, apparently.
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Oh, I get it. I interpreted it the wrong way.

And that advertising part is quite true. One of my friends even got banned from some forums for flooding Starcraft messages. o_O
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What kind of boards? Totally unrelated, I guess?
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu. Now WTF is a unalo pot?

And that advertising part is quite true. One of my friends even got banned from some forums for flooding Starcraft messages. o_O

Speaking of being banned for advertising the contest, PGC has really cracked down on it. If you looked at their forums during the contest, people were banned for posting a single topic about it...

I think I've posted this before, but I don't think anyone noticed. >_> <_<

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The PGC thing probably has to to with CJayC verbally shoving a high-pressure hose in their collective asses after the Mario/Cloud fiasco.

That being said, I'm not that surprised. These contests are there to generate traffic... and just like the rest of the site, they became too big for their own good.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu. Now WTF is a unalo pot?

Our school's board, some provincial boards, etc.
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Would Bahamut even be a legitimate entry? It doesn't originate from a video game...

Doubt it.
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I wish Ceej would have a favorite Pokemon poll including the 15 most well-known Pokemon so we could SEE how Mewtwo is in relation to Pikachu. Personally, I think Mewtwo would pull into the rankings RIIIIIGHT around Luigi and Tommy Vercetti, with a maximum potential of maybe Tidus-level.
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Mewtwo would be lucky to be much higher than Pikachu. Two years ago, Pikachu got 54% on PaRappa The Rapper. With that said, Mewtwo and Pikachu both would be more deserving than Ryo Hazuki and several others already in the contest.
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As sad as it is, Ryo would probably beat Pikachu.

I'd pick Mewtwo without much of a questioning against Ryo though.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Mewtwo would be lucky to be much higher than Pikachu.

Pikachu was probably double-SFF'd though, so he could be a little higher than we think...
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Double-SFF?
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Fox could've SFF'd Pikachu, so he suffered SFF right there (possibly). Fox probably suffered some SFF from Link in the next round. That would mean that Pikachu suffered additional losses from SFF because of Fox's match with Link...

Maybe someone else could explain it better. >_> <_<
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I'll come up with a decent Pika value based on, oh, let's say a constant Pika/Tails relationship. Give me a few minutes.
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By my calculations, Tails would get 27.74% on 2k2 Cloud, 2k2 Cloud would get 42.99% on 2k2/2k3 Link (56.42% on Mario, if you want to know), and that gives Pikachu a value of 17.61% on 2k2/2k3 Link.
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So about Jak's level this year...?
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Right, and I estimated that weeks ago without doing any math. That's still being quite generous to Pikachu, though, if you ask me.
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I think I gave a 16-18% range for Pika and a 17-20% range for MewTwo when that was brought up. I also think it's being rather nice to Pikachu; the 56.42% for Cloud against Mario makes me rather suspicious.
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I'd pick Pikachu over Ryo anyday.
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So about Jak's level this year...?

I'd say around Pac Man/Laharl levels, actually. Jak's sitting high at 21.08% after adjusting Auron.
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the 56.42% for Cloud against Mario makes me rather suspicious.

Not me. Alucard and Tails would easily get that on their unadjusted 2002 selves.
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Please tell me you are joking. =(

Joking about the part where.... link was in SSBM? No, really. He's in there. There's 2 version of him infact. AlThough you have to unlock his younger form.
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Ridley needs in this contest.
He's the only other Metroid character that would fare well.
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Pikachu could be a force to be reckoned with once the kiddies grow up.
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Joking about the part where.... link was in SSBM? No, really. He's in there. There's 2 version of him infact. AlThough you have to unlock his younger form.

"No, but it did make Ness a hell lot stronger than he was before his reappearance in SSB.

You know who else was in SSBM? That's right LINK! And he just won the CONTEST!!! Seems like i do have a point... hmmm"

I'm not sure how that supports your point at all and I was hoping you were joking when you said that...
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Pikachu was in SSB and SSBM. What happened to that argument now?

Oh, pikachu was in SSBM too? I knew that already. ^^
On a serious note, pikachu was famous as it was. He didn't need any boost from appearing on another game.(considering the fact that pokemon, to many ppl represents Nintendo as a whole) I would argue it helped pikachu to a certain extent too. I mean pika was the best character in SSB. Curse nintendo for weakening pikachu into an useless rat in SSBM.


If people are going to argue Ridley wouldn't be known on GameFAQs, I'm gonna argue that MewTwo wouldn't be known on GameFAQs. Also, though I know you've corrected yourself now, I can't imagine Vincent being about Aeris, and I think he'd be closer to Yoshi's level than hers right now. Once FF:AC and that other game that supposed to have Vincent drops, all that could change, but for now I see him being over-rated but still strong.

Ridley=/= Mewtwo.
PPl who doesn't have a slight interest in Metriod(a franchise by far less well known than pokemon) would have absolutely no idea who Ridley was. Mewtwo on the other hand, was the main attraction in a movie, an unlockable PWNage character in TEH most popular GC game and did i mention his game sold way more than Ridley's? Plus, unlike pikachu, mewtwo has TEH cool factor to back him up.

I would say..... in a poll.
Bahamut > Mewtwo > Ridley.

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Ridley needs in this contest.
He's the only other Metroid character that would fare well.

Tis a fact.

And I wasn't trying to insult Asia or anything. I was stating a fact. One or two people began vote-stuffing for Starcraft, I found those people to be dip****s, and they happened to be from Asia. It was a knock on them personally, not Asia.
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PPl who doesn't have a slight interest in Metriod(a franchise by far less well known than pokemon) would have absolutely no idea who Ridley was. Mewtwo on the other hand, was the main attraction in a movie, an unlockable PWNage character in TEH most popular GC game and did i mention his game sold way more than Ridley's? Plus, unlike pikachu, mewtwo has TEH cool factor to back him up.

1. Samus is much more popular than Pikachu. Using the obscure argument against Ridley doesn't work at all here, because if Samus is known and loved, chances are Ridley is at least known.

2. MewTwo was in the Pokemon movie. Yeah, that'll get people to vote for him. Ridley is in SSBM, too (opening video).

3. Funny you should bring up sales. What with them meaning absolutely nothing and all. Unless there was a Pikachu/Mario final and I missed it.

4. A Pokemon has the cool factor, and a kickass dragon in Nintendo's franchise that appeals to older gamers does not? You are sadly mistaken.

In a poll on GameFAQs, Ridley > MewTwo > Bahamut.
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Okay, Rukawa just because your knowledge of the Metroid series as a whole is virtually nothing doesn't mean that's how the entire voting population is. Really, thinking Ridley would lose to Bahamut in a poll is ridiculous. You've got the most popular character outside of Samus into the contest and from a powerful series not doing well? I'll say it again, Ridley has been in every Metroid game with the sole exception being the Game Boy release of Metroid II: Return of Samus. That's right every other Game Boy release and console release featured Ridley with the possibility of him appearing in MP:H and MP2:E.

He wouldn't be a powerhouse, but ranking close to the upper half is certainly possible for him.
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...I wish Kraid would appear in a game.
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I'm a big fan of Kraid -- favorite character in Metroid outside of Samus. I just hope he's included in some way in MP2:E, because that would rock.
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You know, I'd be curious to see how an actual Metroid would fare. 16-seed material or something, but I'd like to see one be in...the series is named after it, after all.
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Anyone here remember ilovebees.com? Yeah, well, how about http://www.ilovebeams.com

"Don't send a man to do a woman's job." ;)
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Can someone explain what ilovebees WAS to me?
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And http://www.iloveknees.com and a few others. ^_^

HM, did you look at IGN's mailbag recently? They had some new Zelda screenshots in there...
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Heh, funny site there.
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I saw the screenshots earlier this morning, although they were up on the internet roughly a week after E3. Nothing new to me, personally, but I bet a lot of people haven't seen them.
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Oh and for anyone in here looking forward to the upcoming Metroid Prime 2: Echoes it seems there is a "mysterious" website about it, sort of like www.ilovebees.com

http://www.channel51.org
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1. Samus is much more popular than Pikachu. Using the obscure argument against Ridley doesn't work at all here, because if Samus is known and loved, chances are Ridley is at least known.

Excuse me? If you said, more loved or even BETTER i would agree. But MORE POPULAR THAN PIKA FRIGGHIN CHU who interms of popularity is only behind that of Mario Mario himself!!!!!

Most popular Nintendo franchise IMO among casual gamers and harcores alike are....

Mario
Pokemon
Zelda

In that specific order. Metriod ATMOST is ranked at 4th place.

Does Samus have her own cartoon shows on WB? Does she have collectible card games that literally drove everybody nuts during the zenith of the pokecraze?



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You're looking at something outside of this site. At GameFAQs it's Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Pokemon.
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ON GAMEFAQS Samus and the Metroid series are arguably more popular than Mario.
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Really, thinking Ridley would lose to Bahamut in a poll is ridiculous.

Certainly not as ridiculous as believing that Megaman would defeat Link EVEN after his dismal performance against solid snake.

You've got the most popular character outside of Samus into the contest and from a powerful series not doing well?

Which is apparently not saying much. Ridley as the most popular Metriod character outside of Samus tells you how much the series emphasize on Samus alone. And yes, i believe the MOST popular dragon in all of Final Fantasies could beat the most popular dragon in Metriod Soundly. Without a doubt.
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ON GAMEFAQS Samus and the Metroid series are arguably more popular than Mario.

You did not mention Gamefaqs anywhere in your last post. I assumed you meant Gaming as a whole.
By that, you sir are correct.
On GAMEFAQS, Samus is much more LOVED than pikachu.(but the yellow rat is STiLL much MORE POPULAR)

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Rukawa, when we talk about popularity we alway are referring to the contest, unless we state otherwise...
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Certainly not as ridiculous as believing that Megaman would defeat Link EVEN after his dismal performance against solid snake.

Everybody, get off of HM's back for taking a risk.

Period.
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Samus more popular than Mario on GameFAQs, character-wise? Probably.

Metroid series more popular than the Mario series? Not a chance.
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You did not mention Gamefaqs anywhere in your last post. I assumed you meant Gaming as a whole.

I didn't? Look a little closer.

"In a poll on GameFAQs, Ridley > MewTwo > Bahamut."

(but the yellow rat is STiLL much MORE POPULAR)

No, he isn't.

Metroid series more popular than the Mario series? Not a chance.

Yeah, you're right.
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Metroid series more popular than the Mario series? Not a chance.

Mario's games outdo Samus's games, but in the character battle, Samus has ranked slightly ahead of Mario two years in a row now.
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2. MewTwo was in the Pokemon movie. Yeah, that'll get people to vote for him. Ridley is in SSBM, too (opening video).

Now... which one has more exposures? An 2 hour animated film that emphasizes on ONE character or an opening video that showed atleast 30 creatures in a limited time? Oh and, Mewtwo was a playable Character in that game too. Ridley wasn't. What a coincidence...

3. Funny you should bring up sales. What with them meaning absolutely nothing and all. Unless there was a Pikachu/Mario final and I missed it.

Why shouldn't i bring up sales? Mewtwo was a playable character in some of the best selling games of all times on GBA. Sales= public exposure= more well known. The problem with pikachu is that he's too famous too quick. With great(undeserving) fame comes great hatred. In contrary, Even non pokemon fans love Mewtwo.

4. A Pokemon has the cool factor, and a kickass dragon in Nintendo's franchise that appeals to older gamers does not? You are sadly mistaken.

So just because it was labeled as a POKEMON, it couldn't be cool? I never once said Ridley was not cool, i just thought he was too obscure. He would not beat Bahamut PERIOD. Mewtwo vs Ridley would be a quite a match however.

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Yeah, I said that Samus is probably more popular than Mario, character-wise. The Mario series is more popular than the Metroid series by a good bit though.
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Why shouldn't i bring up sales?

Because if they meant something, the finals would always be Mario vs. Pikachu (or some other Pokemon character).
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Now... which one has more exposures? An 2 hour animated film that emphasizes on ONE character or an opening video that showed atleast 30 creatures in a limited time? Oh and, Mewtwo was a playable Character in that game too. Ridley wasn't. What a coincidence...

I thought I made it perfectly clear that using obscurity as an argument doesn't work in Ridley's case. And how many GameFAQers do you think would admit to having seen the first Pokemon movie? Exposure is not the problem of either character.

Why shouldn't i bring up sales? Mewtwo was a playable character in some of the best selling games of all times on GBA. Sales= public exposure= more well known. The problem with pikachu is that he's too famous too quick. With great(undeserving) fame comes great hatred. In contrary, Even non pokemon fans love Mewtwo.

Why shouldn't you bring up sales? Because sales do not automatically mean popularity. Exposure does not automatically mean popularity. Both characters are known to the GameFAQs public; it's a matter of who can get their votes. And Ridley is more capable of that than MewTwo.

So just because it was labeled as a POKEMON, it couldn't be cool?

That's what most people seem to think. Or else Pikachu could probably have managed more than 54% on Parappa the Rapper.

I never once said Ridley was not cool, i just thought he was too obscure. He would not beat Bahamut PERIOD. Mewtwo vs Ridley would be a quite a match however.

RIDLEY IS NOT OBSCURE. Neither are Bahamut or MewTwo, for that matter. But Ridley is far more capable of getting votes.
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I had started a run on Super Metroid on a few weeks ago. Of course, I remember Ridley chickening out in the lab, now I've stopped in Norfair after beating off Kraid and getting the Varia Suit and charge beam. A great game I might add.
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Because if they meant something, the finals would always be Mario vs. Pikachu (or some other Pokemon character).

Once again, just because i thought it was relevant to the subject we're discussing doesn't mean it's the most important matter. Why isn't the ICO guy in any of the contest yet? Because his game simply didn't sell well, and he'll be nothing but a fodder. Sales mean something but not the most paramount.

And as i've mentioned before, as famous and popular as pikachu is, he carries an prodigiously huge amount of anti vote whever he go. Just like the master chief of the previous year.
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I thought I made it perfectly clear that using obscurity as an argument doesn't work in Ridley's case. And how many GameFAQers do you think would admit to having seen the first Pokemon movie? Exposure is not the problem of either character.

Actually it does. The name ridley doesn't immediately well remind you exactly who he was. I remember there was a dragon look alike from metriod but i had no idea what he was called nor did i care. If his pics couldn't distinquish himself from other average dragons then suffice to say, he'll have a hard time generating votes. IF he does make it to the next contest, you better hope Cjay put "metriod series" right next to his name.
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Well, in MY mind, the only question in a Mewtwo/Ridley match would be if Mewtwo will really get anti-voted much. I'd take Mewtwo in a heartbeat, but a dragon can generate votes.
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Actually it does. The name ridley doesn't immediately well remind you exactly who he was. I remember there was a dragon look alike from metriod but i had no idea what he was called nor did i care. If his pics couldn't distinquish himself from other average dragons then suffice to say, he'll have a hard time generating votes. IF he does make it to the next contest, you better hope Cjay put "metriod series" right next to his name.

It sounds like you are talking about your own experience; because you aren't very familiar with him (or you certainly don't appear to be), you assume he is obscure around here...
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If I say Ridley a Metroid fan knows who I'm talking about. Considering that Samus is ranked 4th on this site, ahead of Mario, Crono, and Mega Man, among others, that should tell you that there are a lot of Samus fans here. Now, will they all vote for Ridley? Certainly not. But they would, for the most part, know who he was, especially with a picture. I'd see him topping out at about 20% on 2k3 Link. MewTwo I'd say 18%, and Bahamut maybe 15%.
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Ridely=Proto Man.

Just the crappyness, no SFF.

Just to clarify...are we talking about Ridley now, or post-MP2/Hunters?
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2k5 Ridley, and adjusted Protoman is around where I think Ridley would be, actually. He's not going to be a powerhouse, but he wouldn't suck, either.
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Talking about Protoman, I remember talks of the winner of Zero/Protoman would beat Tommy Vercetti in the next round. Do people still have the belief Protoman would have beat Tommy this year if this had faced off?
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If Protoman had beaten Zero this year (like he should have *grumbles*), then there's no doubt he'd have beaten Vercetti.
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Protoman wouldn't beat Vercetti (although if he would be strong enough to take down Zero, he would be), but I would expect 45%+.
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ON GAMEFAQS Samus and the Metroid series are arguably more popular than Mario.

Most of the Mario games ranked ahead of the Metroid games during the spring contest, even with estimated SFF adjustments. So, you could make a case against it but it seems far, far more likely that the chain -- game wise -- is Zelda > Mario > Metroid and in the character contest Link > Samus > Mario -- that's assuming SFF doesn't help Mario out.

Certainly not as ridiculous as believing that Megaman would defeat Link EVEN after his dismal performance against solid snake.

I noted how Link was going to win that match after Solid Snake, thank you very much.

Which is apparently not saying much. Ridley as the most popular Metriod character outside of Samus tells you how much the series emphasize on Samus alone.

Of course, she's the most prominent figure of the series and has made two appearances in the Super Smash Bros. series. She's bound to be far ahead of the next person in line, just because of how popular she really is, but with that said Ridley should have the backing of most of the Metroid fanbase. Not all mind you, but a solid chunk to have him a pretty good place in the X-sts and certainly above the likes of someone like Bahamut. Your lack of knowledge concerning Metroid is probably a reason for underestimating Ridley.
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Mario's games outdo Samus's games, but in the character battle, Samus has ranked slightly ahead of Mario two years in a row now.

In 2002 she ranked ahead of Mario, in 2003 she ranked underneath Mario, and now in 2004 she ranks ahead of Mario. Two out of three years, but not in a row. =p
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It sounds like you are talking about your own experience; because you aren't very familiar with him (or you certainly don't appear to be), you assume he is obscure around here...

What you said is true. But if you think about it, there are certainly alot of peeps like me who aren't very familiar with the Metriod series but would still side with Samus. Just because people prefer Samus, doesn't mean they're going to support Ridley.(a very peculiar name for a big bad dragon, i must say)

I still think Bahamut would beat Ridley here in Gamefaqs. Even if the voters do recognize Ridley, but come on!!! IT"S BAHAMUT!
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Oh, to answer my own question, I think Protoman could get up to 48% on Vercetti, but I don't think he could pull out the win under most circumstances.
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I still think Bahamut would beat Ridley here in Gamefaqs. Even if the voters do recognize Ridley, but come on!!! IT"S BAHAMUT!

And Kefka, the icon of old school FF, lost to Knuckles. Final Fantasy helps, but it does not equal instant win.
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I don't care much for Bahamut, plus I don't think he'd be able to get in the contest; I've heard quite afew times he didn't originate from the FF games.
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And Kefka, the icon of old school FF, lost to Knuckles. Final Fantasy helps, but it does not equal instant win.

This statement stopped me cold here. Maybe you guys are right. Final Fantasy=/= instant win afterall. DAMN YOU KEFKA!! You ruined my chance of being venerated by squeaking into the top 50. I HATE YOU FOREVER!! How can YOU NOT BEAT NUCKLES! Or however you spell it!!! I was soooo close too. 187 apparently isn't enought to crack the top 50.
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Because Knuckles is superior to Kefka in every way except for theme music.
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Because Knuckles is superior to Kefka in every way except for theme music.

That is wrong on so many levels...But at least you got Dancing Mad right. Although, that's not really his theme...
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Knuckles is ALWAYS greater than Kefka...but I'm starting to take a liking to Kefka now that I've been playing FF3/6 lately for my first time (just got done with the oprah scene the other day).
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...I wasn't even talking about Dancing Mad.
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Oh, my hero...

And yes, I did kinda figure you weren't talking about Dancing Mad. Does Kefka's actual theme have a name other than, well, Kefka's theme?
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Nope, it's just Kefka's theme. The character themes in FFVI are amazing...Celes, Cyan, Locke...
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Oh, and how could I forget Gogo's theme?
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Terra/World Map, too.
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*sobs*
But doesn't final fantasy= invincibility= instant win?
I still can't figure it out. I fill out my bracket based on my intuition alone. And it's usually right. I was really cofident about this too.

Main villain from the 2nd most popular final fantasy loss to a side kick in the ever deteriorating Sonic franchise. How in the WORLD!
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Knuckles is just that awesome, that's how it happened.
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I can't explain why Kefka is so weak, especially given how strong Final Fantasy VI is.
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Hola gentlemen. Sorry for my hiatus, but grad school is a real <female dog>. Since I don't have time to plow thru the last 1200 or so posts, what has been the highlights of the offseason discussion?

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Terra would be a much better representative for FFVI.
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Terra probably would be, yeah, if for no other reason than the fact you can't make her out of lettuce.
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None of Amano's concept art would work all that well in a contest setting.
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Plus, she's the closest thing to a main character that Final Fantasy VI has, at least in my opinion. Celes is close, but I'd lean toward Terra.
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Considering how far I am into FF3/6 so far, I'd rather Locke be in than Terra or Celes.
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I prefer Locke myself (and you haven't even reached the best part of the game involving him yet), but I just think Terra would do the best.
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I think Terra would do the best, closely followed by Celes and Locke, then probably Shadow and Cyan.
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Eh, Cyan's just a sidekick. He would do worse than Kefka, I think. Sabin and Edgar should get in before he ever should.
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This statement stopped me cold here. Maybe you guys are right. Final Fantasy=/= instant win afterall. DAMN YOU KEFKA!! You ruined my chance of being venerated by squeaking into the top 50.

Yuna would like to speak with you as well. ^_^
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Ah, damn Yuna, heh.

Side-note: Ridley VS Yuna, who wins?
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If I'm not mistaken, Knuckles is the only non-Square character to have multiple matches against a Square character without losing. Cloud's the only other character period with a perfect record against the Square crew (minimum of 2 matches).
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Side-note: Ridley VS Yuna, who wins?

Post-FFX-2 Yuna.
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Ulti, when are you and MMX putting up more bios?


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Side-note: Ridley VS Yuna, who wins?

Post FFX-2 Yuna wins with ~57%, I'd say.
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Ridley vs. Yuna... that would be pretty close. I'd take Yuna, but I'd love to see Ridley win.
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Aight, looks to be Yuna right off the bat...assuming Ridley makes both titles, do you think MP2/Hunters would help Ridley much at all?
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What, is Ridley gonna bust in and roar his ass off like he always does?
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Well, it certainly won't hurt him.

MP: Hunters comes packaged with the DS, right? That could certainly get Ridley's name out there if he does appear. If the game is successful and liked by gamers, they might decide to play some of the other Metroid titles. And which boss makes an appearance in all of them (but one)?


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MP: Hunters comes packaged with the DS, right? That could certainly get Ridley's name out there if he does appear. If the game is successful and liked by gamers, they might decide to play some of the other Metroid titles. And which boss makes an appearance in all of them (but one)?

Only a demo.
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Eh, I see.

Maybe the demo would be enough to convince people to buy it?
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I think it will be; what's the launch-game list for the DS?
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A few comments on Slowflake's Sp2K5 bracket:

I think the following COULD be upsets:
Sonic 3 & K vs. Street Fighter II
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=580
Sonic 3 & K is indeed the most popular...but SFII is expected to beat Sonic 2 with 58.33%. Can Sonic 3&K make up the difference? Whatever the case, I just couldn't see Sonic 3&K beating SMRPG.

Haha...and what's this about Sonic 2 suffering SFF and SMRPG not? For all we know, it could be the exact opposite, and putting all numbers aside, that would be more reasonable.

Final Fantasy Tactics vs. Donkey Kong Country 2
FFT is insanely popular...however, SMW would be expected to beat FFT with 58.12%...and DKC2 was, and still is, insanely popular. Maybe it went the way of Sonic in terms of this site, though. I hope not.

Oh, and I wouldn't hesitate to pick Half-Life over Mega Man 2. Not saying Half-Life would win for certain, though. :P

About MK2 vs. SMB...well, I'd imagine MK2 would receive around 35% against SMB...maybe slightly more. Depends on how many new-school gamers hate the old rigid graphics, though.

One last thing: Where's MarioKart?

Glancing at Agent M's bracket...
1.) Link
16.) Tingle
Link would get something like 99%. XD

7.) Tidus
10.) Cecil
The result is inevitable...*sigh* Those sick people...

6.) Yoshi
11.) Kain Highwind
Vivi had the Black Mage Factor...Dragoon Factor, anybody?

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FFT/DKC2 could be pretty good, but I can't see it being on Metal Gear Solid's level. FFT with 54% of the votes.
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Yeah, Tidus would assuredly take that by way too much. I want the older FF characters to at least go out respectably if they don't win.

Heh, but I put in so many Square and Nintendo characters... hard to avoid any sff like that.


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The best thing about another game contest will be the Xst people going batty in trying to explain why everything is going on. Don't worry, I'll be one of them.
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"I'm a big fan of Kraid -- favorite character in Metroid outside of Samus. I just hope he's included in some way in MP2:E, because that would rock."

IIRC, Kraid is present on MP2...
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IIRC, Kraid is present on MP2...

I haven't heard a thing about Kraid being in MP2, but I'd love to see it.
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I think it will be; what's the launch-game list for the DS?

Asphalt: Urban GT
Feel the Magic: XY/XX
Madden NFL 2005
Mr. Driller
Ping Pals
Rayman DS
Ridge Racer
Sims: The Urbz
Spider-Man 2
Sprung
Super Mario 64 DS
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005
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I could certainly see Donkey Kong Country 2 putting up a tremendous fight against Final Fantasy Tactics. One of the best platformers of all-time right there.
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I think Kraid was mentioned in a Retro Studios interview. Not totally sure though.
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The best thing about another game contest will be the Xst people going batty in trying to explain why everything is going on. Don't worry, I'll be one of them.

*remembers the "hey, a slice of pizza got 35% on a paper plate! it'd definitely beat a pepsi bottle!" topic*
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Just because people prefer Samus, doesn't mean they're going to support Ridley.(a very peculiar name for a big bad dragon, i must say)

His name is referring to Ridley Scott, the director of the Alien movies, which the Metroid series has many not-so-subtle similarities to.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Hmmmm
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And what about Kraid?

Say, I'm noting a SMRPG/SF2-like pattern on today's poll. Before I woke up almost half of the votes were for "not in the US", and now it's barely above 40%. You think SMRPG would've broken 60% had it come out in Europe?
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easily since most of Europe's votes were for SF2
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Maybe. I would've voted SMRPG had it been released here, because of the nostalgia. I liked it on emulator and all, but it's not the same. That could apply to many others (That, and the people who don't emulate, duh)
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

I'd vote SMRPG over many games, and I only played through it once...on an emulator, no less.
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Putting SF2 over SMRPG is the worst decision the majority of the brackets did.
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Agreed.
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"Putting SF2 over SMRPG is the worst decision the majority of the brackets did."

It didn't pay off, but it wasn't the worst. The vast majority thought Starcraft had absolutely no chance, and hta was a bad decission.
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Halo over Starcraft is an honorable loss, not a foolish decision. 24% for a 16-seed to win meant that some people thought Starcraft stood a chance.
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It didn't pay off, but it wasn't the worst.

Exactly. Ryu's strong enough in a summer contest setting that you can make a really good case for his game.

Either that, or me thinking SMRPG sucked ass impaired my judgement more than a dozen beers.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

halo-starcraft should have been an 8-9 not a 1-16.

starcraft NUKES halo in the 8-9 match, and i would have put it to win in that spot.

however, when i saw halo as 1 and SC at 16, the nomination system was instantly brought to mind and i had to put halo, despite reservations.

*shrug* props to ulti, anyway.

>_>

As for SF2/SMRPG, i HAD that one called...

*grins*
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Halo-Starcraft should've been 2 vs. 3, or considering the caliber of the competition in 128, 4 vs. 5. Having it in the first round was enough of a travesty, but as a 1 vs. 16, no less, that was laughable.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

SMRPG/SFII seemed so obvious to me, although I know it wasn't to many.
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Halo-Starcraft should've been 2 vs. 3, or considering the caliber of the competition in 128, 4 vs. 5. Having it in the first round was enough of a travesty, but as a 1 vs. 16, no less, that was laughable.

Yeah, I agree with you... now.

>_>

And I agree, HM. I put SMRPG without a second thought..

wait a minute.... street fighter 2 LOST?
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

All the hype for Starcraft/Halo was BECAUSE it was a 1-16 match.
I could see Halo winning the same match with 8-9 seeds only because of that...
And I never thought twice about Starcraft>Halo, it wasn't likely to happen but it was too cool not to do it in my bracket. And yeah I had SC losing to KH losing to MP. Ugggggh
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SF2 never should have lost to MarioRPG...it proves that the kiddies look through nintendo rosey glasses when it suites them and are blind and ignorant to the reality.

SF2 created a genre which gave rise to the almighty MK. What did Mario RPG give rise to? Nothing.

And it was so.
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ulti, which do you believe will be better, mgs3 or mp2?

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I always get a kick out of the "wtf ess eff two was revolutionary" argument.
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Don't know, don't care. I don't compare games from different genres.
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I suggest you checks polls 840 to 847 sometime. I wonder if CJayC was actually trying to pick characters for the first character battle. Of note is Morrigan completely dominating her own poll, Kazuya getting his ass handed to him, Ken scoring a solid second place behind Ryu but ahead of Chun-Li, and Tightass losing to Rikku (though they all got owned by Auron in the end).

If this was done with the character battle in mind, then some of Ceej's decisions were questionable, such as Kazuya of course, but seeing this, how could he put Tidus in but not Auron? Most interesting is the fact that Rikku has yet to see any action in these tourneys. And the question deserves to be asked, is Shadow the type of character to be a fan favorite that gets overshadowed by guys such as Terra, Locke or Sabin in a contest setting like Yoshi, Luigi and Knuckles are?
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Hmm.. Alright, What about this ?, Which game do you want more at the moment?
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Solid Snake owns.

SF2 created a genre which gave rise to the almighty MK.

Yes, it gave rise to one of the worst fighting game franchises' out there.
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Yes, it gave rise to one of the worst fighting game franchises' out there.

Pwnt.

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Yeah, but SMRPG gave rise to Nintendo's sub-par record in the RPG genre as far as I'm concerned. Not exactly redeeming either.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

If you could blame anyone on that game it would be Square, as they developed it.
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Yeah, but overall Square's RPGs are leaps and bounds ahead of Nintendo's.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Only if you look at the past, because quite honestly I'd take Nintendo's RPGs as of late over most of Square's RPGs of late.
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How can you think MK is better than SF? Ugh.
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No idea. Street Fighter is better in every aspect over Mortal Kombat.
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Really, I have no idea why I'm doing this but here's a list of the top 10 best selling GCN games in North America:

1. Super Smash Bros. Melee: 2,438,729
2. Mario Kart: Double Dash!!: 1,686,033
3. Super Mario Sunshine: 1,575,109
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: 1,496,631
5. Luigi's Mansion: 1,467,320
6. Metroid Prime: 1,195,256
7. Mario Party 4: 946,582
8. Animal Crossing: 779,227
9. Star Fox Adventures: 776,397
10. Mario Party 5: 750,387

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes should be able to crack that list soon enough and hopefully Paper Mario 2: The Thousand-Year Door.
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3. Super Mario Sunshine: 1,575,109
4. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker: 1,496,631

If that isn't proof of how washed up Nintendo is I'm lost.

>_>;;;;;;;

Nice to see SSBM dominating of course =)
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Just some random knowledge, this is the first time a Metroid game has basically matched The Legend of Zelda or Super Mario on a Nintendo console in sales.
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Metroid Prime being that low is disappointing.
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The rest of the list would goes as follows:

11. Pokemon Colosseum: 669,294
12. Pikmin: 654,353
13. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour: 389,802
14. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: 373,623
15. Wave Race: 325,645
16. Kirby Air Ride: 288,918
17. Eternal Darkness: 273,703
18. Four Swords Adventures: 252,461
19. F-Zero GX: 252,354
20. Wario World: 223,664
21. Preview Disk: 170,513
22. NBA Courtside 2002: 157,754
23. Pokemon Channel: 152,798
24. Custom Robo: 138,456
25. Pikmin 2: 132,618
26. Magical Mirror: 114,085
27. Wario Ware Inc: 87,633
28. 1080 Avalanche: 87,031
29. Donkey Konga: 41,932
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Will this be the first generation that the best selling game was not on a Nintendo console? Since the NES, of course...
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23. Pokemon Channel: 152,798

WTF?
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Unless The Legend of Zelda sells massively when it's released it'll be Sony's console that takes the highest selling console game of the generation.
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Question: Is that list of top selling Game Cube games only including games made by Nintendo? Just curious because I would think Tales of Symphonia, one of the WWE games, or some Madden game could get on that list somewhere.

Unless The Legend of Zelda sells massively when it's released it'll be Sony's console that takes the highest selling console game of the generation.

OoT sold 3.57 million in the U.S., right? That would mean that the new Zelda would have to sell 2.4 million more than OoT did in the U.S. just to match Vice City.

@_@
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SF2 never should have lost to MarioRPG...it proves that the kiddies look through nintendo rosey glasses when it suites them and are blind and ignorant to the reality.

SF2 created a genre which gave rise to the almighty MK. What did Mario RPG give rise to? Nothing.

Since when did we have a "Most Revolutionary Game Ever" contest?

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Actually, HM, the original Metroid sold over 4 million, so it definitely came close to the original LoZ.

SM sold well over a million in the US, while I believe that LttP didn't sell much more than 2 mil.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Will this be the first generation that the best selling game was not on a Nintendo console? Since the NES, of course...

If you count Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire as the same game, then they've sold over 12 million (worldwide, duh.) Don't think Vice City's done that well...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I know. And speaking of Pokemon, something on Diamond/Pearl -

"We've started developing the NDS Pokemon Diamond & Pearl as the true successors to these games. They will be the definitive entries in the series, so please look forward to them."

-- Tsunekazu Ishihara, president of Creatures Inc

I hope they finally really do something new with the series...
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Actually, HM, the original Metroid sold over 4 million, so it definitely came close to the original LoZ.

The Legend of Zelda sold nearly 7 million copies and you can see the difference between "equal" and a couple million apart.

SM sold well over a million in the US, while I believe that LttP didn't sell much more than 2 mil.

Super Metroid sold about 1.2 million copies in NA, while ALttP sold about 2.3 million. Again, you can notice a difference in these sales as opposed to Metroid Prime:The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker.
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Ah, my mistake. I didn't realize that the original LoZ had sold so much.

Interesting how MP and SM's sales are almost exactly the same.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

"Ah, my mistake. I didn't realize that the original LoZ had sold so much."

Even though I point it out on a regular basis?
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If this was done with the character battle in mind, then some of Ceej's decisions were questionable, such as Kazuya of course, but seeing this, how could he put Tidus in but not Auron? Most interesting is the fact that Rikku has yet to see any action in these tourneys. And the question deserves to be asked, is Shadow the type of character to be a fan favorite that gets overshadowed by guys such as Terra, Locke or Sabin in a contest setting like Yoshi, Luigi and Knuckles are?

Akira Yuki didn't win the "Who's your favorite Virtua Fighter Character?" poll, either.

It also remains a mystery that despite Serious Sam losing badly in a "Who Would Win in a Fight?" poll involving him, Gabe Logan, Solid Snake, and Duke Nukem, Sam makes in the contest AND is given a 3-seed. What?

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http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/luigi.htm

I'm done Luigi's page. It's nothing spectacular, but there isn't much that you can say about a choke artist.
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Nina being so low in that Tekken poll hurts...

that's alright death by degrees just needs to come out and rock, and I'll be happy.

and if the next zelda game starts advertising, like around now, in some way, it could get big sales. and I love that ssbm has the highest sales, now, if only it were online...

and speaking of online, if diamond and pearl had online battles, that would be really cool for pokemon
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Pokemon Diamond/Pearl should be one great entry into the franchise.
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Yeah, we probably overlook or at least don't appreciate, the selling power Pokemon still has, even after several years, I mean, its a very successful franchise. We should almost have had pikachu this year just because of pokemon, not unlike the reasons we still have pacman/lara/crash. If you combined all the pokemon games' sales, I bet its a pretty frightening number.

and in other pokemon related news, both pokemon stadiums were cool for the n64, the first was better imo, and I really enjoyed Pokemon Snap. I thought it was pretty inventive, challenging, and just a lot of fun to play.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Anyone sense some inconsistencies here? Heh...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=852
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=853
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Just for anyone who wants to look at it, here is a list of the major franchises' sales from Nintendo.

Super Mario Bros NES 40.24
Super Mario World SNES 20.61
Super Mario Land GB 18.14
Super Mario Bros 3 NES 17.28
Super Mario 64 N64 11.91
Super Mario Land 2 GB 11.18
Super Mario Allstars SNES 10.55
Super Mario Bros 2 NES 7.46
Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land GB 5.19
Super Mario Bros DX GB 5.07
Super Mario Advance GBA 4.41
Super Mario Advance 2 GBA 4.36
Super Mario Sunshine GC 4.19
Super Mario Bros 2 JP NES 2.65
Super Mario Advance 4 GBA 2.59
Super Mario Advance 3 GBA 2.15

Mario Party N64 2.70
Mario Party 2 N64 2.48
Mario Party 4 GC 2.29
Mario Party 3 N64 1.91
Mario Party 5 GC 1.64

Mario Kart 64 N64 9.87
Super Mario Kart SNES 8.76
Mario Kart: Super Circuit GBA 4.46
Mario Kart: Double Dash GC 3.58

Yoshi's Island SNES 4.12
Yoshi GB 3.12
Yoshi's Story N64 2.85
Yoshi NES 1.75
Yoshi's Cookie GB 1.53
Yoshi's Cookie NES 1.12

Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land GB 5.19

Super Mario RPG SNES 2.14
Paper Mario N64 1.37
Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga GBA 1.10

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina Of Time N64 7.60
The Legend of Zelda NES 6.51
The Legend of Zelda: Link To The Past SNES 4.61
The Legend of Zelda: Adventure Of Link NES 4.38
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle Of Ages / Seasons GB 3.98
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening GB 3.83
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask N64 3.36
The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker GC 3.33
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX GB 2.22
The Legend of Zelda: Link To The Past GBA 2.07

Super Smash Bros N64 5.55
Smash Bros Melee GC 4.44

Metroid NES 2.73
Metroid Prime GC 1.87
Metroid 2: Return Of Samus GB 1.72
Super Metroid SNES 1.42
Metroid Fusion GBA 1.39

Starfox 64 N64 4.00
Starfox SNES 2.99
Starfox Adventures GC 1.60

Pokemon Red/Blue/Green GB 29.0
Pokemon Gold/Silver GBC 23.0
Pokemon Yellow GB 15.0
Pokemon Ruby / Sapphire GBA 12.78
Pokemon Crystal GBC 9.0
Pokemon Stadium N64 5.46
Pokemon Pinball GB 5.31
Pokemon Trading Card GB 3.70
Pokemon Snap N64 3.63
Pokemon Stadium 2 N64 2.54
Pokemon Stadium JP N64 1.37
Pokemon Pinball: Ruby Sapphire GBA 1.09
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In completely obvious news, Mario has made Nintendo rich.
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Pokemon Diamond/Pearl should be one great entry into the franchise.

Let me re-phrase that for you. Pokemon Diamond/Pearl should be one extraordinary entry into the series that will automatically bring DS far ahead of PSP even if DS is down by millions of units. The farther behind DS is, the higher % increase its sales will get with the release of D/P.
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21. Preview Disk: 170,513

o_0;

Something tells me GCN owners don't have enough quality games...
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I heard Diamond/Pearl would be the last time new Pokémon were introduced. Good thing too. I hope they go ahead and re-use old Pokémon, too. Why would one want a FOURTH set of starters other than to inject some competition into the otherwise pitiful grass-type? Who needs ANOTHER generic bird when we already have Pidgey, Spearow, Hoothoot and Taillow? Zigzagoon and Rattata can easily be found the world over, do we really need another one? We also have a lot of "evolves early, becomes useless equally early" bug Pokés. Stuff like that.

And so, the top 13 GameCube games are all from Nintendo. Hardly surprising, but it also says they NEED more third party support. I'm getting tired of ads saying a given hot game is "on PS2 and X-Box".
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21. Preview Disk: 170,513

o_0;

Something tells me GCN owners don't have enough quality games...

Well, X-Box Hardware IS fourth on the FAQ list, and was second for the longest time before Fable and MK:Deception came out.
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Ulti, Luigi should get his own theme. Also, Ganondorf's theme still doesn't work for me.

Could the new Zelda potentially pass Melee? It's probably going to be the most hyped Gamecube game. It will pobably cause a lot of new people to buy Gamecubes as well.
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It's going to be the Cube's Halo 2, clearly.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

If you combined all the pokemon games' sales, I bet its a pretty frightening number.

111.88 million copies sold according to HM's list. ^_^

If it continues with the 10 - 13 million+ selling main games, it could possibly pass Mario...

HM, do you have sales for Final Fantasy series? I'm wondering how it compares to Zelda...
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It's going to be the Cube's Halo 2, clearly.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=17015078

Something interesting Heroic Mario posted last night...
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No data for Wario Land 2-4?
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

I was wondering about that myself...
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I was going to download something from Luigi's Mansion, but then I realized that the game sucks.

*disguised way of saying that MMX's bandwidth is low*
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HM, do you have sales for Final Fantasy series? I'm wondering how it compares to Zelda...

It's about ~48 million for the total franchise, that puts it ahead of Zelda by a few million.
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Well, I just cut off the one's I figured people in this topic wouldn't really be interested in but I've got Wario Land 2-4.

Donkey Kong Country SNES 9.30
Donkey Kong 64 N64 5.27
Donkey Kong Country 2 SNES 5.15
Diddy Kong Racing N64 4.88
Donkey Kong Land GB 3.91
Donkey Kong Country 3 SNES 3.51
Donkey Kong GB 3.07
Donkey Kong Land 2 GB 2.35
Donkey Kong Country 2001 GB 2.19
Donkey Kong Classics NES 1.56
Donkey Kong Country GBA 1.55
Donkey Kong NES 1.13
Donkey Kong Jr NES 1.11
Donkey Kong Land 3 GB 1.03

Kirby's Dream Land GB 5.13
Kirby's Dream Land 2 GB 2.36
Kirby's Pinball Land GB 2.19
Kirby: Nightmare In Dreamland GBA 1.92
Kirby 64 N64 1.77
Kirby's Adventure NES 1.75
Kirby Super Star SNES 1.44
Kirby Tilt N Tumble GB 1.23

Starfox 64 N64 4.00
Starfox SNES 2.99
Starfox Adventures GC 1.69

F-Zero SNES 2.85
F-Zero X N64 1.10
F-Zero: Maximum Velocity GBA 1.04

Super Mario Land 3: Wario Land GB 5.19
Warioland 3 GB 2.20
Warioland 4 GBA 2.16
Warioland 2 GB 1.48
Wario Ware GBA 1.03

Banjo-Kazooie N64 3.65
Banjo-Tooie N64 1.49

Star Wars Episode 1: Racer N64 3.10
Star Wars: Shadown Of The Empire N64 2.60
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron N64 2.17

GoldenEye 007 N64 8.09
Perfect Dark N64 2.52

Tetris GB 30.26
Tetris NES 5.58
Dr Mario GB 5.34
Dr Mario NES 4.85
Tetris DX GB 1.88
Yoshi's Cookie GB 1.53
Tetris 2 GB 1.24
Yoshi's Cookie NES 1.12
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Mario may have made Nintendo rich, but Samus and Link made Nintendo cool.
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To give a more accurate version of Final Fantasy compared to The Legend of Zelda you get this

Final Fantasy: 47 million copies
The Legend of Zelda: 42 million copies

Difference: 5 million copies
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I've got 45 million maybe the place you found them rounded it off or something

http://www.the-magicbox.com/game032504.shtml
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that's what, the whole series combined? or what?

what all is included in both sections there?
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I wanna write some of the character bios, I can do one for Kirby.

I've been a fan of the puffball ever scince I saw the commerical for the orginal Dream Land, and have played pretty much every Kirby game 'cept Air Ride and Tilt and Tumble.

This was mentioned a few topics back, but guest writeups aren't happening. MMX and I share the same opinion on this.
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wait you counted Seasons/Ages as the same game why?
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HM, how many FF games have there been and how many Zelda games (including rereleases)?
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With all of these numbers and afew games I'm surprised to see sell over 1,000,000, can anybody find a list of every NES game that sold over 1,000,000? Nintendo or whatever, I care not, I'm just curious to see the list.
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Aw nuts, I was also gonna do one for the PSX mascots.

I mean, of Ryo Hazuki can get one Crash and Ratchet deserve one for sucking so much as well.

wait you counted Seasons/Ages as the same game why?

Same reason Pokemon Red/Blue is counted as one and the same.

And same reason Gold/Silver is the same game.
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Seasons/Ages are more different from each other than Red/Blue or Gold/Silver....
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wait you counted Seasons/Ages as the same game why?

Same reason Pokemon Red/Blue is counted as one and the same.

And same reason Gold/Silver is the same game.

yah I know that, but he only added one of the games total for the both of them not both
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Oracle of Seasons are much more different than Pokemon, all the pokemon games have is 7 or 8 exslusvie pokemon between them, Seasons have different duengeons, characters. items and overworlds.

I've got 45 million maybe the place you found them rounded it off or something

Nintendo released a total of their big franchises in January 2004, I got the 42 million number from them.

that's what, the whole series combined? or what?

The entire series' worldwide sales.

wait you counted Seasons/Ages as the same game why?

Much like the same reason I combined Pokemon Red/Blue/Green, although I see my mistake in not adding the two together upon combining:

The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons: 7.80

HM, how many FF games have there been and how many Zelda games (including rereleases)?

Final Fantasy
Final Fantasy II
Final Fantasy III
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy V
Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy VIII
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy X-2
Final Fantasy XI
Final Fantasy Origins
Final Fantasy Anthologies
Final Fantasy Chronicles
Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles

Final Fantasy XII

The Legend of Zelda
The Legend of Zelda II: Adventure of Link
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons/Ages
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past/Four Swords
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures

The Legend of Zelda
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I see my mistake in not adding the two together upon combining:

The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages/Seasons: 7.80

That solves my problem
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Separated Oracle of Ages and Seasons sold 3.96 million a piece.
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Oracle of Seansons and Oracle of Ages are DIFFERENT GAMES. They use the same engine, and you can link them up to get the ultimate final boss, but other than that, they're completely different from each other.
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Final Fantasy (16 titles): 47 million
The Legend of Zelda (12 titles): 45 million

Difference: 2 million
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Nintendo released a total of their big franchises in January 2004, I got the 42 million number from them.

If you go to The-Magicbox.com's news archives, they released sales information for their big franchises sometime in late August - early June:

Super Mario series
Handheld: 9 titles, 54 million copies
Console: 10 titles, 102 million copies
Total: 174 million copies

Legend of Zelda series
Handheld: 5 titles, 12 million copies
Console: 7 titles, 30 million copies
Total: 42 million copies

Donkey Kong series
Handheld: 7 titles, 15 million copies
Console: 10 titles, 28 million copies
Total: 43 million copies

Pokemon series
Handheld: 11 titles, 91 million copies
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If you go to The-Magicbox.com's news archives, they released sales information for their big franchises sometime in late August - early June:

It was much, much earlier than August.
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It was much, much earlier than August.

Er... I meant May.

>_> <_<

http://www.the-magicbox.com/game053104.shtml

Found it...

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I know right here

http://www.the-magicbox.com/game053104.shtml

I find it weird because the 45 million I got was before this was posted
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March to be exact

http://www.the-magicbox.com/game032504.shtml
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Er... I meant May.

May is more understandable, although I still remember reading that press-release earlier than that. I'll check up on it...
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- Nintendo's R&D designer Kenichi Sugino said it is easy to create a Nintendo DS port of Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time for N64, although the company does not have any plans to do so right now.

On that page that charmander6000 and I linked to. ^_^


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quick change of subject, on the topic of bets...

anyone have the link to aeon's "I eat FFX" bet?
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When you take Oracle of Ages and Seasons and only add up one 3.96 you get ~42 million.
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When you take Oracle of Ages and Seasons and only add up one 3.96 you get ~42 million.

So that must explain it...

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Of course, porting OoT to the DS would be a breeze considering the hardware is inbetween the N64 and GCN. The next Zelda game we'll see is Four Swords on the DS according to Eiji Aonuma.
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I hate fads
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We usually talk about three Mega Man games that would be best for the game contest, should there be another one, and it just so happens the three we talk about are the biggest million sellers.

Megaman 2 NES 1.51
Megaman 3 NES 1.08
Megaman X SNES 1.17
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111.88 million copies sold according to HM's list. ^_^

DAMN, that's a lot of pokemon games.

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111.88 million copies, and whoever got one of those that go here will never admit it.
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Why weren't all the final fantasy titles included in that list? Tactics, Tactics Advance and the Adventure series?

Though, needless to say, final fantasy needs to stop mass-producing these games and adopt the "quality over quantity" outlook. The last few have just been lacking.

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I'd like to correct myself from earlier, if I may. The Final Fantasy franchise has sold 60 million copies worldwide, according to a September 24th press-release from Square Enix and Dragon Warrior has sold 35 million.
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The FFLegend series are SaGa games, and FFAdventure is Seiken Densetsu 1, dammit. They don't count.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

"111.88 million copies, and whoever got one of those that go here will never admit it."

I got 5 of them.
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Even if they did count, which I wouldn't be in favor of, they wouldn't account for much. The Tactics games aren't too bad sellers, both sold over a million worldwide, but any game on that has the Final Fantasy name when it shouldn't didn't sell all that well.
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anyone have the link to aeon's "I eat FFX" bet?

I saved a copy. I uploaded it here:
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Aeon%20eats%20FFX.htm

111.88 million copies, and whoever got one of those that go here will never admit it.

I own at least 14 different Pokemon games excluding foreign language versions.
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111.88 million copies, and whoever got one of those that go here will never admit it.

I had 7 of the games. ^_^
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I own ten different Pokemon titles.
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I posted some of the top GameCube, North American, sales earlier, but there's a worldwide figure on the 11 titles on the GameCube that exceeded 1 million units sold:

Super Smash Bros. Melee GC 4.44
Super Mario Sunshine GC 4.19
Mario Kart: Double Dash!! GC 3.58
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker GC 3.33
Luigi's Mansion GC 2.46
Mario Party 4 GC 2.29
Metroid Prime GC 1.87
Star Fox Adventures GC 1.69
Mario Party 5 GC 1.64
Pikmin GC 1.52
Animal Crossing GC 1.34
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That list is rather disappointing; so few GCN games passed 1 million this generation and even the best-selling one pales in comparison to some PS2 games. Maybe Zelda could change that....
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The Legend of Zelda should do a fabulous job as far as sales are concerned. There are so many people anxious about the game based on one trailer alone, I could see more and more people jumping onto it as we get closer to release. Heck, you've got places like IGN that see quite an increase on any new article concerning the new Zelda.
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I think that Slowflake's comment about it being the Cube's Halo 2 is really accurate. I know several people that only have an X-Box or a PS2, but they read a few gaming magazines and they are planning on getting a Gamecube as soon as that Zelda comes out.

Granted, they want it because they believe it is returning the series' roots (in their minds, OoT) and that it is a basically a return to the series "former glory" from The Wind Waker.

People with that attitude sometimes are a little bit annoying, though.

I know it's anecdotal and may not be indicative of everyone, but it is interesting, if nothing else. ^_^

On the preorders issue, how were preorders for TWW before Nintendo announced the preorder campaign? I just felt like the vast majority of those preorders were because of the ability to get Oot and MQ and that anticipation for TWW itself wasn't as high among the average person until then...
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If I remember correctly, it was about 300,000 at about the time they made the announcement that Ocarina of Time/Master Quest would come free with every pre-order. The new Zelda shouldn't have a problem topping the ~560,000 mark with or without a pre-order bonus.
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... I'd kind of like to see Link's Awakening as a preorder bonus. It probably wouldn't attract as many extra buyers, but I've never had the chance to play Link's Awakening and it is supposed to be great, from what I've heard. ^_^

And ALttP would just kick ass. =D
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You should definitely find a way to get Link's Awakening. One great game right there. =)
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Link's Awakening is a lot more lighthearted than the rest of the series. I love it.

Give me LttP and LA (DX) as bonuses and I'll preorder right now.
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Heh. I preordered my copy right after I saw the trailer from E3 and plan on importing it should we have to wait a few extra months for it to get here.
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HM, where exactly were you able to preorder it?
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HM, where exactly were you able to preorder it?

Um...a game store?
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So, when do j00 all think we'll hit Part 100? And what are you bringing to the party?
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I'm bringing pi and LttP.
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Um...a game store?

Well I know that. But I don't know where they are taking preorders this early...
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Perfect Dark, ESPN 2k5, and extra flip-flops.
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GameStop is accepting them, I would assume EB Games is as well.
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Oh, okay. Thank you. ^_^
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Donkey Kong Country SNES 9.30
Donkey Kong 64 N64 5.27
Donkey Kong Country 2 SNES 5.15
Diddy Kong Racing N64 4.88
Donkey Kong Land GB 3.91
Donkey Kong Country 3 SNES 3.51
Donkey Kong GB 3.07
Donkey Kong Land 2 GB 2.35
Donkey Kong Country 2001 GB 2.19
Donkey Kong Classics NES 1.56
Donkey Kong Country GBA 1.55
Donkey Kong NES 1.13
Donkey Kong Jr NES 1.11
Donkey Kong Land 3 GB 1.03

Kirby's Dream Land GB 5.13
Kirby's Dream Land 2 GB 2.36
Kirby's Pinball Land GB 2.19
Kirby: Nightmare In Dreamland GBA 1.92
Kirby 64 N64 1.77
Kirby's Adventure NES 1.75
Kirby Super Star SNES 1.44
Kirby Tilt N Tumble GB 1.23

Starfox 64 N64 4.00
Starfox SNES 2.99
Starfox Adventures GC 1.69

Look at these numbers. Now tell me why Kirby is so much more popular on this site than Donkey Kong, and DK is probably around the strength of Fox. And Ness could possibly beat DK, too (and although Earthbound numbers weren't put on there, I doubt they're very high at all compared to most of these). So why is DK so unpopular on this site?

Legend of Zelda series
Handheld: 5 titles, 12 million copies
Console: 7 titles, 30 million copies
Total: 42 million copies

Donkey Kong series
Handheld: 7 titles, 15 million copies
Console: 10 titles, 28 million copies
Total: 43 million copies

Also interesting. The only conclusion I can come to is that there is no love for Donkey Kong among the hardcore gamers. But why? Why is it that the game series that produced some of the greatest platformers of all time so unpopular among hardcore gamers?

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Ness beat DK? Not a chance....
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HM, where exactly were you able to preorder it?

EBGames
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Ness beat DK? Not a chance....

That was a somewhat cynical statement of me, but I could see it happening. After all, Ness was a higher seed than DK, even if DK did place higher on the extrapolateds (although of course they aren't very accurate this year) There would definitely be SFF, and I could see it swinging in the direction of Ness.

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No, SFF would swing in favor of Donkey Kong. Ness has to fall back on his SSBM support quite a bit, and I can't imagine him getting it over a fellow Melee character, especially when DK's got memorable games to fall back on himself.
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I posted some of the top GameCube, North American, sales earlier, but there's a worldwide figure on the 11 titles on the GameCube that exceeded 1 million units sold:

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hokora/gcranka.html

Where's Sonic Adventure 2, Pokemon Colosseum?


Also, Rouge Leader and the Resident Evils if they sold as well in Europe as they did in America.
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Ness could get 40% on DK...but he wouldn't win.
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link's awakening was awesome...


YOU GOT MALON!
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and thank you for posting the aeon link. that was freaking hilarious.


now WHY it was so hard for me to find that... o_0;
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DK on the level of Fox and Ness? What a joke. He's more around Luigi.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

YOU GOT MALON!

...Marin.

Malon is the OoT cowgirl.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

Same character, HM. Marin and Malon are spelt the same way in Japanese.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I said this awhile back, but I'd like to see a Luigi/Donkey Kong match. They're about even in the extrapolated rankings, they're in many of the same games, Luigi's brother SFF'd the hell out of DK two years ago, Donkey Kong has a much more solid backing with his own games than Luigi does with Luigi's Mansion, the casual's preference, bracket maker's prediction percentages...

...it's one SFF match I'd like to see in the second round sometime, or maybe a 7/10 match.
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Neither Luigi nor Donkey Kong deserves to make the Sweet Sixteen.
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Pikachu could be a force to be reckoned with once the kiddies grow up. ~Fiop

Neither one of them deserve to lose in the first round, either. What's your suggestion?
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If you want my opinion on this, Luigi and DK are far closer to being first round losers than Sweet 16 contenders. So round 1 it is.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Who'd win in a match between Mario and Samus?
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Samus...
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Same character, HM. Marin and Malon are spelt the same way in Japanese.

...that wasn't me.
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Samus ranks ahead of Mario in terms of strength, but when you got SFF to mess with there shouldn't be a clear cut winner on that one, if you ask me.
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...that wasn't me.

Err...whoops. I must've just saw "Heroic" and assumed it was you. Sorry. >_>
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Oh, and Samus/Mario would be an absolute ***** to predict.

You'd think that Mario would get SFF, but the Xsts say that Samus is stronger...but we all know how screwy this year's Xsts are...

...argh.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I have no trouble believing Samus is stronger. She went way over her head in EVERY SINGLE MATCH she was in. That's five times, if you keep tracks, and two of these occurences gave her as champion.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Maybe Samus is indirectly stronger but against Mario, I'd pick Mario...
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I would pick Mario without thinking. Mario 3 vs Metroid, LttP vs Super Metroid, Link vs Samus, Wind Waker/Prime. Samus will not rise above Mario. Ever.
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Pikachu could be a force to be reckoned with once the kiddies grow up. ~Fiop

And in such a match, I think I'd pick Samus. As Ulti said, Mario made Nintendo rich, but Link and Samus made Nintendo cool.

Not that Mario isn't his own type of cool, of course. >_>
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Link vs Samus

It's the only match you mentioned that happened in a character battle, and Link failed to get SFF. Samus is no marshmallow.

Which makes me think. If Link failed to get SFF on Samus before she became so much stronger, why are we even discussing the possibility of Mario getting it?
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

C'mon. Mario is totally cool.

In 1990. >_>
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

C'mon. Mario is totally cool.

In 1990. >_>

You inadvertantly used the year I was born. That must mean I'm right and Mario would win.
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And why do you need to buy that Samus just increased by herself? There was SFF in that match. We could take about Squall, but the only source we have on Squall is Kirby/Bomberman, who were stuck in the ****ed up Alucard-pack. I think that we've established Link going up this year; we don't know exactly why, but he did. Link crushed Samus the same way as he crushed Mario in 2k2. And Mario doesn't seem to be on a decline.

Mario made Nintendo rich, but Link and Samus made Nintendo cool.

And Pokemon made Nintendo uncool again.
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And in such a match, I think I'd pick Samus. As Ulti said, Mario made Nintendo rich, but Link and Samus made Nintendo cool.

I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine.

Time for a sig change...
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I'm not talking about Squall alone. I'm talking about Luigi staying the same. I'm talking about Jill going DOWN. I'm talking about Ratchet going DOWN. I'm talking about KOS-MOS staying the same. I'm talking about Crash staying the same.

There is no evidence whatsoever to support Samus SFF other than, yea, Samus increased.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

Nobody in Samus' half division showed any signs of benefitting from SFF. There was none. She, along with Link, MC, and Crono, increased for pretty much no reason at all.
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Since when did Luigi stay the same? If we use Pac Man as a measuring stick and Luigi went UP.

Since when was fodder used as a measuring stick? Ratchet faced first a Nintendo character and then a badass PS2 character. That has got to mean something.

I have no explanation for Jill Valentine.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

Nobody in Samus' half division showed any signs of benefitting from SFF. There was none. She, along with Link, MC, and Crono, increased for pretty much no reason at all.

The Silence Factor!

>_> <_<
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"Mario 3 vs Metroid"

Mario's best entry VS Samus' worst entry. Nice analysis.
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Since when did Luigi stay the same? If we use Pac Man as a measuring stick and Luigi went UP.

Since when was fodder used as a measuring stick? Ratchet faced first a Nintendo character and then a badass PS2 character. That has got to mean something.

BEST. POST. EVAR.

You say it yourself, Yoshi's far better of a measuring stick than Pac-Man. You're just in denial.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

SMB3 would've beat any Metroid game convincingly.
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WW vs Metroid Prime: Link's most hated entry vs Samus' most popular entry. No comment?
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

WW vs Metroid Prime: Link's most hated entry vs Samus' most popular entry. No comment?

Samus games seem to be pretty average in strength, while Samus herself seems to be very strong... I don't think that match really means much.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ah, the myth of Wind Waker hate. If you look closely, LoZ is weaker than Wind Waker.

Kthxbai.
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

I forgot about the Silence Factor. The big L actually went down a little (Pac Man plummeted), Ratchet and Jill both plummeted, Crash rose a negligible amount, Squally was probably constant, and KOS-MOS rose a negligible amount. That doesn't seem like a good argument for Link/Samus SFF.
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I have no explanation for Jill Valentine.

Seeing as Resident Evil hasn't had a new game for a long time, look at her seeds. 2K2 a 3, 2K3 an 11 (that's just unfair, she was the second strongest in her division last year), Spring Contest her game got a 13 and now she gets a 14. Jill might not even make it next year seeing as she didn't even make the top 32 in the stats.

We should get Claire back, she did well against 2K2 Tidus who was able to score 42% against Sonic.
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I thought we're discussing Mario vs Samus?
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

The big L actually went down a little (Pac Man plummeted

Wouldn't he be the "little" L? O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Luigi rocks. He's the big L as far as I'm concerned.
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Indeed. Luigi rules. Too bad he's been recently reduced to the role of...

http://mariogearsolid.ytmnd.com
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i would rather stink on a unalo Pot than play any of kirbys games -Ertyu

For the record, I'd pick Mario in an instant.
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Luigi rocks. He's the big L as far as I'm concerned.

Luigi... rocks?

Well he's fun to wavedash with. >_> <_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ah, the myth of Wind Waker hate. If you look closely, LoZ is weaker than Wind Waker.

The difference is laughable on that one too, and not like anyone should take TWW over LoZ.
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Luigi's turned into a wimp.
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Oh, and despite me never saying it -- not like I should have too -- I would pick Mario over Samus without worry.
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Luigi... rocks?

Yes, he does, and don't you forget it.
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Luigi has always been the "Big L", and he does indeed rock.
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My refernce to Pac Man and the following comment were unrelated. In the next one I was talking about Ratchet...

And Yoshi MIGHT be a good measuring stick, except that he died against Link.

Ah, the myth of Wind Waker hate. If you look closely, LoZ is weaker than Wind Waker.

Wind Waker is still the most hated; you yourself said that much of its apparent strength may come from its recency (not to mention how ****ed up Div128's X-Stats were). It's also sorta difficult to compare Zelda 1 to Wind Waker because Zelda 1 faced Mario 3, a Nintendo game, and we don't know how SFF may have swung there. Chrono Trigger also suffered a big loss to FFVII; perhaps it had suffered SFF that trickled down. It faced one of the most highly acclaimed Nintendo games of all time, and beat it convincingly.
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I beg yer pardon, but Mario made Nintendo cool, rich, and everything else you could imagine. ~ Heroic Mario

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Why the hell did you bump?
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almost there!
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I'd place my money on Heroic Mario being right in a Nintendo vs Nintendo situation.
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