Yeah, we'll have plenty of problems hitting 100 before the Spring.

Keep arguing, peeps.

*Stats websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

*Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

*Miscellaneous*

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=3

!yawA tsoP

Damnit we are going to hit it before 2005!
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

We could.
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Tanner. The only guy Gordon can call a loser and not sound like a hypocrite. - Slowflake

cool, cool.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Staking my claim to Part 82 lol

We need a winter contest...the poll voters have spoken Ceej! Surely the massive ad revenue from Juicy Fruit gum can pay for 10 more prizes! :)
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I may be an Elite, a Guru, an Expert even..but even I pale in worthiness to the one called nifboy this contest...

It's only been a few days, but it seems like more people are sticking around this postseason.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 1

We need a winter contest...the poll voters have spoken Ceej! Surely the massive ad revenue from Juicy Fruit gum can pay for 10 more prizes! :)

Dear GOD no...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Tag.
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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

Anti champ votes are real and have an effect, admit it now...
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Spring Contest Final score: 173/192 Tied for 110th
Summer Contest Final Score: 188/192 Tied for 23rd

Anti champ votes are real and have an effect, admit it now...

Actually I still consider it to be a load of bull.
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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

Well, then you consider statistical evidence a load of bull I guess.
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Spring Contest Final score: 173/192 Tied for 110th
Summer Contest Final Score: 188/192 Tied for 23rd

The alternation between the two suggests anti-votes.
If cloud wins next year, i'll be confirmed of anti-votes.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Well, then you consider statistical evidence a load of bull I guess.

Please elaborate. You have given no statistical evidence.
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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

There are no such thing as Champion anti-votes. Cloud performed at his 2003 level, just like Link did the year after he won. Link just benefited from a huge increase, like Cloud in 2003.

Woah....freaky.
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Moltar Fact 12. Moltar would have made the leaderboard if he didn’t have Cloud winning.

Based on the fact that 47% of the people want to retire the champions? I don't really think that means they are anti-voted significantly... Wouldn't most opponents get around 20 - 25% on them just because of those anti-votes, then?

All it did to Cloud is make him do horribly in the beginning, but he always recovered - aside from the Milkem thing, but that's understandable.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

There are no such thing as Champion anti-votes. Cloud performed at his 2003 level, just like Link did the year after he won. Link just benefited from a huge increase, like Cloud in 2003.

Whoa....freaky.

Heh. There are some anti-votes in Cloud's case - anyone can see that he is antivoted at the start of all his matches. But they don't really make a difference...

But to my knowledge, Link has never failed in winning the board vote before, and that is where the antivotes would likely come from...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, we've discarded the new voter theory. With so many votes, the new voters will think like the old ones. Link and Cloud keep beating each other by over 5,000 votes tho. (if they'd facved in 2002, Link would have won by even more. Something changing people's minds, and its not just Kingdom Hearts and Zelda 10 trailers.
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Spring Contest Final score: 173/192 Tied for 110th
Summer Contest Final Score: 188/192 Tied for 23rd

We need a winter contest...the poll voters have spoken Ceej! Surely the massive ad revenue from Juicy Fruit gum can pay for 10 more prizes! :)

Move the Spring one to the Winter. It makes more sense.
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Tanner. The only guy Gordon can call a loser and not sound like a hypocrite. - Slowflake

Also, its pretty obvious that the matches between those 2 get vote stuffed quite a bit. I think the supporters of the character who has won most recently have less motivation to help him out.
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Spring Contest Final score: 173/192 Tied for 110th
Summer Contest Final Score: 188/192 Tied for 23rd

Well, we've discarded the new voter theory. With so many votes, the new voters will think like the old ones. Link and Cloud keep beating each other by over 5,000 votes tho. (if they'd facved in 2002, Link would have won by even more. Something changing people's minds, and its not just Kingdom Hearts and Zelda 10 trailers.

Were you on the boards a lot during the championship match? I was, because I was making the updates list for the match and I was occupying myself. People have no clue who won. I saw people thinking that Mario won last year, that Mario won in 2002, that Link never won a thing, that Cloud lost to Sephiroth, that Sephiroth lost to Link in 2003, that Mario owned Cloud in 2002, that Samus was behind by 1000 votes with 10 minutes left in her match with Sonic in 2002 before suddenly cheating to recover the deficit - do you get my point?

Many of them have absolutely no clue what went on and they refuse to even do a bit of research. All they have to do is click on this topic and they can find anything they really need. But for some reason they don't. Doesn't change the fact that there are many completely ignorant people out there regarding the contest.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If you're so sure that anti votes arent the catalysts behind Link's win, then what is?

I called Link as champ with full confidence caus ei knew 2 cloud victories and a FF7 victory would kill the contest. All but 1 of the first place brackets before the chmapionship believe dthe same thing.
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Spring Contest Final score: 173/192 Tied for 110th
Summer Contest Final Score: 188/192 Tied for 23rd

So, anyway... Sigma to take down Sora!
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

Why again does Pikachu qualify, even though it was a card game and show before it was a video game?

Pokemon was a game waaay first. In Japan. The things just got put in America in a wierd order.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

the back-and-forth between the two suggests the anti-vote theory..

if cloud wins next year (providing ceej doesn't retire them both, that specter still looms), then i will believe the antivote thing.

ANYWAY, i managed to pick up 500 in the other topic.
first 500 post i've ever gotten. go me.
now to do one on my MAIN account.
<_<
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

If you're so sure that anti votes arent the catalysts behind Link's win, then what is?

You know if anti-votes were the catalyst for links win this contest, then the catalyst for clouds win in 2003 would of been anti-votes on link right?
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

If you're so sure that anti votes arent the catalysts behind Link's win, then what is?

I called Link as champ with full confidence caus ei knew 2 cloud victories and a FF7 victory would kill the contest. All but 1 of the first place brackets before the chmapionship believe dthe same thing.

I think they could be the cause behind maybe 500 - 1,500 votes. I don't know for certain where the rest came from. I thought that the Zelda bundle last holiday season might've had an effect - 2 million GCN's that came with OoT, MM (glitchy though...), Zelda I, and Zelda II? It certainly can't hurt...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Wait what I just said was your theory to begin with wasn't it? Damn I have to pay more attention to previous posts before posting myself....
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

Fine, let's see if I can find some new characters that might be good...

1. The Prince - Not only was he in the top rated game of 2k3, which sold millions of copies across the world, it was released on all platforms giving him a very broad spectrum of interest, and he has a sequel coming out in a couple months. If PoP2 stars The Prince, I could see him being pretty decent, around maybe Vercetti level. Even if it doesn't, he wouldn't make a terrible competitor, and I'd pick him over Vyse.

2. Yuri Hyuga - The star of Shadow Hearts and shadow Hearts Covenant, the sequel's success may mean he has a place in this competition. It's an RPG, and if its sales reflect its quality, he could certainly surpass Vyse. If there are any characters from these games who would perform better, feel free to suggest them. I don't know them well at all.

3. Fable Character - Never played Fable, but its sales have been very nice so far, and I could see a character from Fable being stronger than Ryu Hayabusa, and certainly stronger than Sam Fisher. One that I've heard is Jack of all Trades, but again, I've never played the game, and I really have no idea who would do well.

4. Lu Bu - From Dynasty Warriors, I really have no idea what role he plays, or how many of the games he's in. If he's in a lot of them, he could certainly be a decent competitor, especially if he's important. After all, the series does have a lot of sales.

5. Dark Cloud Hero - Could be strong, whoever he is. Of course, the fact that I've never heard of him is a strike against him, but he's been in two pretty decent games, I think. Could be an interesting competitor.

6. Rikku - She'd obviously be quite strong, she's been in two games with very high sales that are very popular at GameFAQs. I have no doubt that she'd be stronger than a 2k3 Yuna, a character that's not especially weak to begin with.

7. Onimusha Star - The fronts of all the boxes look like they have the same character, so I'd guess it's the same person. Onimusha was the most popular PS2 game until GT3 came out, and I don't doubt that its hero would be strong as well, perhaps almost as strong as Dante.

8. Fate Linegood - The hero of Star Ocean 3. What more can I say?

9. Castlevania Hero - Can Alucard really be the only strong character from this amazing series? I doubt it. While I'm not sure who would be the strongest of the rest, CV definitely deserves to have 2 characetrs.

10. Ryu - From Breath of Fire. I believe that he would be very strong, perhaps at a level around Knuckles. He's the hero of five games, and he's ridiculously cool. I mean, turning into a dragon? What's cooler than that? In any case, he's the best suggestion I have for a new character, that hasn't been suggested recently. I'm certain that he would've been in the top 32, if he'd been in in 2004.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Anti votes are as much up in the air as the existace of teh noblenine by next year.


Speaking of which, have you guys decided what we're going to do for that? We could stick with the noble nine assuming that MM simplay underperformed in his match and royally screwed that entire division (not to mention snake will have his third game by the next contest). Or we could boot snake and make it eight, or, tentatively, make it super seven by booting MM and Snake because they bring up the rear of the Noble Nine (I honestly believe that there was no SFF in MM vs Link, it just doesn't make any sense to me).
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

I have no doubt that she'd be stronger than a 2k3 Yuna, a character that's not especially weak to begin with.

Yuna didn't do much better on Knuckles than Kefka did. Knuckles didn't drop, did he?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Is Ceej going to officially let us decide on retiring the characters? Im all for it, I'd like to see a Sephirot-Samus final over Link-Cloud.
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Spring Contest Final score: 173/192 Tied for 110th
Summer Contest Final Score: 188/192 Tied for 23rd

Yuna didn't do much better on Knuckles than Kefka did. Knuckles didn't drop, did he?


Knuckles actually went up, very slightly. Kefka, though, had a massive increase. He's above Ryu and Jill in the rankings. Or at least Slowflake's SFF-adjusted rankings. A match between Kefka and Yuna would be expected to be close, excepting FFX-2. Which would make it not close at all.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Er, CreativeName's stats, not Slowflake's.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Still, she was pretty weak and I don't suppose that speaks well for Rikku either. I don't see how FFX-2 would significantly help either one of them. It could, but I don't see it being a big effect...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Rikku is much cooler than Yuna. Although I really hate FFX-2, I think Rikku is the only good thing going for it. I know I dislike Yuna mostly because she never seems to do what she wants. It also doesn't help that she has a terrible voice actress. That aside though, what is all this talk about anti-championship votes?

I believe that the only reason Link lost in 2003, was because Ceej used Wind Waker pictures. The pictures make a bigger difference than a lot of people think. That's just my opinion though, because I deal with a lot of casual gamers. I've shown them the polls before and most of them simply vote for who has the cooler picture, because they think that's what the poll is all about. They don't look at it as voting for a character that spans over multiple games and generations, they look at it as voting for how that person looks in the picture.

That's just my opinion though.

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
FFXI: Luninutz: Carbuncle - 20 WAR / 10 MNK

These topic go by at an insane speed right now...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

If PoP2 stars The Prince,

Oh it definitely does. I cannot wait to get PoP: WW.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

Jack of all Trades? Try Jack of Blades.

And I think he be a nice 16 seed.

Antivotes are nonexistant, or minimal at best. If you go by my stats, Cloud increased a bit, and if you go by CN's, he was constant. They would not affect the outcome of a Clink match.

And let's not start the retirement BS again. 9/10 people in this topic are against it for very intelligent reasons.

And go Sigma over Sora! Time to do a little modifying to see if I can make my bracket more painful, as well as shake up the fodder a bit...
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Oh, and tnote, you can find my XS worksheets here:

www.lostfate.com/exthanemesis/SC2k4XS.xls

Thanks again to ExThaNemesis for hosting it.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

*tags until I have something useful to say*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

1. The Prince

He's a big name among snubs, with both old and new school games to draw on. He's like Ryu Hayabusa in a sense, except perhaps more recognizable by your average person. I've used "The Prince" in quite a few lists, and most people instantly assume that it's the PoP Prince. He'd be a good choice, especially with PoP 2 coming out.

2. Yuri Hyuga

Among the Shadow Hearts characters, Yuri's likely the best known and the most likely to suceed. Still, I'd love to see the real Roger Bacon as a 16 seed... he'd be a great joke character. I'm concerned about the SH series' interest levels here, even if it is an RPG, but I can see Yuri swinging a lowish seed like Luca.

6. Rikku

I'd like to explore non-Square/Nintendo choices first. There will always be concerns about how they dominate the brackets. That said, Rikku would be a good choice, though I don't like the large amount of FF X entries.

7. Onimusha Star

Samanosuke? His name came up prior to 2K4. He lost his first-round snubs match with Vincent, but he did well and a decent number of people seemed to know him. I'm concerned that by next year, he won't be as well-known, but I wouldn't object to seeing him in.

8. Fate Linegood

I don't see how he wouldn't be in, barring another Square limit.

9. Castlevania Hero

Since we can't use Dracula or Death, the choices are rather limited. Simon was in and might deserve another shot, Sonya isn't well known, Trevor's likely unheard of, Maxim/Nathan/Soma were one-shots... If you were going to take anyone else, I'd look at Richter or Leon.

10. Ryu

Ryu's one of the larger snubs, I'd agree. I'd absolutely love to see him in (he was a character I've been saving up for a surprise pick closer to nomination time). I can see him bombing, but just as easily I could see him making the Sweet Sixteen.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

Rikku was a lot more annoying in FFX-2 than she was in FFX. I think she could be a decent midcarder though.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I was trying to think of a killer division, and I started to wonder why nobody wanted Sonic/Mega Man with the way the XS turned out this year, and I thought of this.

1) Mega Man
2) Mario
3) Sonic
6) Magus.

Put a good 4/5, 7/10, and 8/9 and that division will be the killer of most brackets next year.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Okay, what I am trying to do has nothing to do with seeding. My goal is to get the 64 most popular characters in 2005 in a contest.

The characters I gave returning bids are Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Samus, Crono, Mega Man, Mario, Sonic, Magus, Gannondorf, Zero, Solid Snake, Frog, Master Cheif, Liquid Snake, Ryu, Squall, Bowser, Alucard, Auron, Sora, Kirby, Dante, Tidus, Vivi, Yoshi, Shadow, Knuckles. The Top 28 characters. Im not saying more returners cant be added, but at least not automatically.

The reason I stop with Knuckles is after him there is Tommy Vercetti and then a large gap. I plan on replacing Tommy with CJ anyway and that gap seemed like the perfect place to stop.

Of the characters who did well enough in 2002 and 2003 without returning in 2004 are Aeris, Zelda, Strider, and Morrigan. Now we have 32 returners.

As for new characters, we must first put in the obvious popular ones. Vincent, Kerrigan, Leon, CJ. We have 36. That means we need 28 more characters.

I already have a basic list, but I am really open to suggestions on who we should add. I think our first goal before seeding or making any brackets is to get the 64 best characters into a contest.

New version of my bracket; winners of the first round are italicized, winners of the four pack are bolded, and XS value on 2k3 Link is to the right of the entrants when available.

Chaos in the Mushroom Kingdom
(1) Mario 38.18
(16) Vyse 19.67
(8) Terra Branford
(9) Sarah Kerrigan

(4) Frog 32.13
(13) Strider Hiryu 24.23
(5) Dante Sparda 27.99
(12) Shadow the Hedgehog 26.75

(6) Master Chief 32.13
(11) Aeris Gainsborough 32.81
(3) Magus Zeal 34.93
(14) Felix 24.60

(7) Ness 21.67
(10) Serge
(2) Sonic the Hedgehog 36.86
(15) Kalas

Time Travel to 20XX
(1) Crono 40.83
(16) Ridley
(8) Donkey Kong 25.34
(9) Leon Kennedy

(4) Kirby 28.54
(13) Tidus 27.19
(5) Sora 29.62
(12) Sigma

(6) Bowser 30.97
(11) Carl Johnson
(3) Auron 30.99
(14) The Prince

(7) Viewtiful Joe 21.56
(10) Fox McCloud 18.99
(2) Mega Man 38.60
(15) Geno

Meteors on Zebes
(1) Sephiroth 46.56
(16) Nightmare
(8) Yoshi 27.05
(9) Knuckles the Echidna 26.74

(4) Solid Snake 33.05
(13) Ken Masters 21.71
(5) Zero 33.28
(12) Sub-Zero

(6) Alucard 29.75
(11) Vincent Valentine
(3) Vivi Ornitier 29.10
(14) Zelda 30.29

(7) Miles "Tails" Prower 23.85
(10) Morrigan Aensland 24.87
(2) Samus Aran 42.36
(15) Bass

SOLDIERS of Hyrule
(1) Link 54.46
(16) Mai
(8) Zidane Tribal
(9) Raiden 12.29

(4) Liquid Snake 32.10
(13) Ryu (BoF)
(5) Squall Leonhart 31.72
(12) Lloyd Irving

(6) Ryu 32.77
(11) Protoman 23.81
(3) Ganondorf Dragmire 34.72
(14) Ghaleon

(7) Luigi 25.24
(10) KOS-MOS 24.82
(2) Cloud Strife 52.74
(15) MewTwo

If you would be so kind as to discuss, I'd be very happy. Or we can talk about retiring Clink again. Either one.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

I was trying to think of a killer division, and I started to wonder why nobody wanted Sonic/Mega Man with the way the XS turned out this year, and I thought of this.

1) Mega Man
2) Mario
3) Sonic
6) Magus.

*sighs* I feel like my posts are always ignored...
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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

Some of the winners you picked are HIGHLY debatable RPG.

RPGuy, the only thing I don't like about your bracket is the potential Tidus/Sora SFF in the second round. Looks like a killer, though.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Because Sonic ain't getting through Magus, much less Mario. So they're wouldn't be a Mega Man/Sonic.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Try a seriously ****ed up bracket:

(1) Link
(8)/(9) Match
(5) Squall
(4) Auron

(3) Tidus
(6) Liquid Snake
(7) Aeris
(2) Master Chief

~~~

(1) Mario
(8)/(9) match
(5) Sonic
(4) Ganondorf

(3) Crono
(6) Alucard
(7)/(10) match
(2) Mega Man

~~~

(1) Cloud
(8)/(9) match
(5) Sora
(4) Frog

(3) Zero
(6) Magus
(7) Vincent/(10) Knuckles
(2) Snake

~~~

(1) Sephiroth
(8)/(9) match
(5) Kefka/(12) Terra
(4) Viewtiful Joe

(3) Samus
(6) Kirby
(7)/(10) match
(2) Gordon Freeman

From Topic 81
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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

Heh, sorry Shadowdude. However, that bracket does raise some problems: Who gets the last 1 seed? Who gets the last 2 seed. Crono/Snake might be better next year, but its looking pretty crappy now. However, with a 2/3 Snake/Zero, it could be good.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Some of the winners you picked are HIGHLY debatable RPG.

That'd be the point. And I assume you're referring to Vivi, Vincent, Zero, Magus, Master Chief, Dante, and Sigma. In a bracket like that, you gotta take chances.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Why would Gordon Freeman get a 2 seed? O_o Just so Samus has a REALLY easy way into the Elite Eight?

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"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

I hate that bracket. Seriously it is SFF ridden and there is no way GF ever deserves a Two seed.

Oops. Switch Mario and Sephiroths divisions.
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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

I hate that bracket. Seriously it is SFF ridden and there is no way GF ever deserves a Two seed.

If by SFF you mean Squall/Auron and Sora/Frog/Cloud, then I'd say that unpredictability > non-SFF. Do you seriously know who would win those 4/5 matches?

Also **** seeds. Gordon needs to get a high seed to make his loss greater.

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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

(4) Kirby 28.54
(13) Tidus 27.19
(5) Sora 29.62
(12) Sigma

What a pair that would be to predict...
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I know its the point and its a great point. Let me just show you the matches I disagree on.

(8) Terra Branford
(9) Sarah Kerrigan

I would have Kerrigan winning.



Time Travel to 20XX
(1) Crono 40.83
(16) Ridley
(8) Donkey Kong 25.34
(9) Leon Kennedy

(4) Kirby 28.54
(13) Tidus 27.19
(5) Sora 29.62
(12) Sigma

I have Sora winning the entire 4-Pack



(7) Viewtiful Joe 21.56
(10) Fox McCloud 18.99

I think Fox would win




(6) Alucard 29.75
(11) Vincent Valentine
(3) Vivi Ornitier 29.10
(14) Zelda 30.29

I have it Zelda vs Vincent in two very close matches. I dont think I could pick a winner between these two, but if I had to I go with Zelda.



(8) Zidane Tribal
(9) Raiden 12.29

I think Zidane would take him

(4) Liquid Snake 32.10
(13) Ryu (BoF)
(5) Squall Leonhart 31.72
(12) Lloyd Irving

I think LS would win the 4-Pack

Shadowdude, I have problems picking one match and thats Ganon vs Sonic. The rest I wouldnt second-guess myself in my picks.

Thanx RPGuy... and ExthaNem for hosting it =)
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Well, well looks like you were talking about Mewtwo while I was gone. So let's look at Pikachu last year. First we have Pikachu in SFF match against Fox, but Fox didn't have any against Link. This is where Mario vs. Cloud come in. With Tails we see that Cloud would've gotten 52% against Mario. So this year Pikachu woul've been ranked 50th. Whether or not you believe that Mewtwo is stronger then Pikachu he could keep over a third of the characters from last contest from breaking 60%.
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

On MWIS's suggestion, and the previously unknown fact (to me) that Ocelot is in MGS3, consider Raiden replaced by Ocelot. That means we now have:

(8) Zidane
(9) Revolver Ocelot

Unless too many people think that it's a bad idea.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Post MGS3, Ocelot would do better than Raiden, yeah.

But I could see the point of, say, UltimaterializerX, if he were to say that pre-MGS3 Raiden would be more deserving than Ocelot.

Raiden got unfairly SMACKED DOWN by SFF in 2K3. If SP2K4 is any indication, Raiden could be a Liquid of his own against any other opponent. It's just that Snake has his number.

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"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

Is Snake Eater coming out before 2K5? If so, then Ocelot might be just as good a choice as Raiden. And who knows? Snake Eater may have Raiden as well.
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

MGS3 comes out in November 2004.
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I've made a couple updates to my bracket to make it a little more... killer. If you want to see it, I'll post it.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Because Sonic ain't getting through Magus

You bought an N-Gage didn't you?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Excellent changes, RPGuy, your bracket is even more awesomer than before. The only problem I have with it is that Samus still doesn't get to beat another noble nine member! I doubt that MP2 will have a huge impact on her popularity, unfortunately. It targets exactly the same crowd as MP did. Nobody's going to buy a GCN for it, just like nobody bought an N64 for Perfect Dark. I have no doubt that it will sell well, but unless its multiplayer is amazing it won't gain Samus a huge amount of popularity.

But, yeah. I'd love to see her destroy Mega Man and Crono, or even Snake, but unfortunately, those matches don't happen. I can see why not, and I have no solution for you, but it's still sad.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Samus is still going to have a demo of hers packaged with the DS, so she'll still be reaching a new crowd.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

This is the 3rd division in my bracket. I think it could be a real bracket buster.

Division 3

1) Mega Man
16) Pac-Man

8) Yoshi
9) Knuckles

4) Squall
13) Ryu Hayabusa

5) Bowser
12) Carl Johnson

6) Magus
11) Liquid Snake

3) Sonic the Hedgehog
14) Bass

7) Luigi
10) Raiden

2)Mario
15)Duke Nukem

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I thought about Bowser/CJ in my bracket, but I just don't like seeing him so low-seeded when we know he's gonna rack in the nominations. He won't be as powerful as his seed will suggest, but he'll have a high seed.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Samus is still going to have a demo of hers packaged with the DS, so she'll still be reaching a new crowd.


Yes, yes, First Hunt is being packaged with it and Hunters itself is likely to be a launch game. But how much impact do portables really have, especially considering that Samus has already had Zero Mission and Fusion on the GBA? As much as Nintendo would like to think that the DS is not the GBA's successor, the masses are still going to treat it that way. And with the Stylus-based controls, Hunters just might end up being another Luigi's Mansion.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

If we make the bracket, he wouldn't get above an 8 seed. If we don't make a bracket, this is irrelevant anyway.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

You can play Hunters without a stylus.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

It will be a huge difference. Every DS owner will play this game opposed to only the ones who bought the GBA Metroids playing them. Opens up Samus to a whole new fanbase.

Pack-ins = Best Idea Ever.

(4) Kirby 28.54
(13) Tidus 27.19
(5) Sora 29.62
(12) Sigma

What a pair that would be to predict...

Not really. Tidus takes that 4-pack with ease.

I would compare Sigma more in proportion to Zero than I would to Mega Man. Most people count X as a separate entity.
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Who's CJ?
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I was PWNed by nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm.

The new guy in Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

CJ is the main character from GTA: San Andreas.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

but Fox didn't have any against Link.

I have to greatly disagree with that.
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"Not really. Tidus takes that 4-pack with ease."

I don't think so. Tidus dropped like a rock from 2003 to 2004. I could easily see Sora taking it.
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SC2K4 Final Score: 184/192
Contest Winner: Link

How much SFF did Yoshi suffer, given Link's new strength?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And with the Stylus-based controls, Hunters just might end up being another Luigi's Mansion.

You can use the controls, the stylus, or your finger while playing Metroid Prime Hunters.
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This is an insane idea, but...

What if Sora "grows up" in KH2? He might make it into the Elite Eight.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Tidus dropped like a rock from 2003 to 2004. I could easily see Sora taking it.

Tidus underperformed like crazy, and there's no way that Sora gets SFF on the main character of FFX.
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This is a bit ridiculous. The current poll already has well over 59,000 vote and there are about five hours and forty-five minutes to go in the poll. The other poll barely broke 58,000.

I really wish he hadn’t had that be a sponsored poll, for that big of an issue. He should realize that sponsored polls do not receive the same number of votes by now…

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Not really. Tidus takes that 4-pack with ease.

Ease? The only way he does that is if he goes back to his ranking near Ganondorf and Magus.

I would compare Sigma more in proportion to Zero than I would to Mega Man. Most people count X as a separate entity.

I would compare Sigma to Mega Man rather than Zero, despite the series difference.
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Sora is going to rock in Kingdom Hearts II, I can assure you of that.
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When is KH 2 being released? If it really close to next August then I say Sora can take Tidus.

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Ease? The only way he does that is if he goes back to his ranking near Ganondorf and Magus.

Or there's the possibility that he never left that level.
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Sora is going to rock in Kingdom Hearts II, I can assure you of that.

CJay seems to think Sora's a nun in that game. (For those confused, see Sora/Ryu H pic.)
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

He did leave that level. I think him and Squall are slowly losing popularity and since neither is appearing in KH 2 apparently, there is nothing to stop both of them from free-falling out of the tourny in the next few years.

CJay seems to think Sora's a nun in that game.

That's from the original Kingdom Hearts. Sora just put the hood on. His outfit is black in KHII, and his hair is a lighter brown.
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I think him and Squall are slowly losing popularity

Bomberman and Kirby had some weird dropping effect on them last year, and Squall got to face both this year.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Or there's the possibility that he never left that level.

Yet he would undperform that massively? Your looking at 10% underperformance by Tidus. Completely unbelievable if you ask me. He would also rank ahead of Solid Snake, who I still cannot see dropping that much inbetween contests given his recent gaming record.
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That's from the original Kingdom Hearts. Sora just put the hood on

Stupid TV nuns. They lied to me.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Squall didn't change this year. He's not going anywhere, and he will be in Chain of Memories.
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I could see Sora killing Solid Snake and Sonic next year.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

He's not going anywhere, and he will be in Chain of Memories.

I think Cloud has already made fun of that...
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Oh believe me, if I have anything to say about it he will NEVER appear in that game.

As for Sora, killling Snake or Sonic??? Lets not get ahead of ourselves. I will safely put him on Snake's level next year, no one kills these two outside of the top 5.

Yet he would undperform that massively? Your looking at 10% underperformance by Tidus. Completely unbelievable if you ask me. He would also rank ahead of Solid Snake, who I still cannot see dropping that much inbetween contests given his recent gaming record.

This coming from the person who argued that it was so difficult for you to believe that Tidus dropped because it meant that he and Shadow fell in proportion to one another? This coming from the person who argued that Zero was the anomaly because Tidus is one of the most consistent performers in this contest?

I say Tidus underperformed against Sonic in 2002. That's why he doesn't suffer from WDF.

Also, Magus and Ganondorf rank ahead of Solid Snake now. If Tidus never left that level, it's common sense that he would as well.

And un-adjust Mega Man if you don't think Tidus could underperform so much.
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When is KH 2 being released? If it really close to next August then I say Sora can take Tidus

GameFAQs says the middle of September, and that sounds about right, from what I've heard in the previews.
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

*replays the trailer for KH2*

Uh... if Sora becomes what you call as 'badass', then...
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

We know Cloud isn't going anywhere. There's way too many FFVII fans for that. It's doubtful Squall is going to be disappearing anytime soon, too. He is at least memorable, even if many don't find him likeable. But Tidus? I get the feeling once the next "real" PS2 FF is released, he'll be closer to Zidane than Cloud/Squall. I wouldn't be overly surprised if he dropped a few percent this year, not what the XS have him it, of course, but not enough to challenge Ganondorf anymore. And if FFXII is a hit, he'll spiral downwards until he's mostly forgotten. Auron might have staying power, but not Tidus.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

The Kingdom Hearts II trailer owns.
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I can never consider a character a badass who is in a game with GOOFY!!

And he will not reach Samus/MegaMan next year. If you think that, you are nuts. He will be lucky to get to Gannon/Magus level.

I get the feeling once the next "real" PS2 FF is released, he'll be closer to Zidane than Cloud/Squall.

We don't even know where Zidane is right now. And you think that Vaan is going to make people forget about Tidus? From what I can tell, he seems to be more fruity than Tidus.
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No but Ashe will....



I love her.

Yes, Ashe has all the makings of a great FF female. I will agree with you on that one.

Vaan, on the other hand...Not so much.
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This coming from the person who argued that it was so difficult for you to believe that Tidus dropped because it meant that he and Shadow fell in proportion to one another?

I don't believe he should've fell given that Mega Man has completely whomped him. At that time it looked more like an excuse than anything, to attempt at explaining Mega Man's dominance.

This coming from the person who argued that Zero was the anomaly because Tidus is one of the most consistent performers in this contest?

Of course I argued on Zero being the anomaly. The fact it was a SFF match was more than enough for me to disregard it and look at a more solid performance against Tidus. Now that Mega Man has been said to not have changed from 2003, Tidus would have to completely underperform. I don't believe that for a second.

I say Tidus underperformed against Sonic in 2002. That's why he doesn't suffer from WDF.

And I've been against you on that since you decided to bring it up.

Also, Magus and Ganondorf rank ahead of Solid Snake now. If Tidus never left that level, it's common sense that he would as well.

It's even surprising to me to see Solid Snake ranked as low as he is, but if Tidus were to go back to his level why would Solid Snake? He certainly didn't perform at a 33% level.
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I can never consider a character a badass who is in a game with GOOFY!!

You insulted Goofy... DIE!

*chops off your head with teh Keyblade*
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

::Head stays intact considering he is using a freaking key::

Snake and Tidus have nothing to do with one another. From someone who would still take Mega Man to beat Crono, don't bring up the issue of performances against a common opponent.

And I don't care if you're against my explanation for Tidus. You were against me the entire contest when I said Mega Man overperformed and hadn't really increased.
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This is what I get from not watching FFXII trailers. Regardless, I don't think Tidus is going to remain at such a high level. I'll agree with you that he underperformed on Mega Man, but not to the extent that it draws him back up to Gdorf's level. If I had to place him, I'd say right around Squall or Auron's levels, about 4% short of where he was last year and roughly half the distance of his fall.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Tidus would have to completely underperform. I don't believe that for a second.

And Tidus would have to completely drop like a rock. I don't believe that for a second either. How many Square characters actually took any sort of significant negative decrease this year?
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Leonhart, what reason would Tidus have to underperform. I have a hard time believe he would beat a character that did 7 percents better againist the character Tidus lost to!

Tidus is not a beloved character. He gets votes for being the main character of Final Fantasy X, which will only help him to a certain extent. Put him up against a beloved icon, and he's got no shot.

Sort of like how Pac-Man managed to be very close to Kefka last year despite the two being seemingly worlds apart.
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Tidus is not a beloved character. He gets votes for being the main character of Final Fantasy X,

And once XII comes out (provided it's accepted by the masses), he'll start to lose those votes.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

In all probability, Tidus will start to decline after that. It might even help Vaan for a little while, even if he does turn out to be even more of a fruit.

Ashe and Balflear will be the ones with staying power from FFXII.
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More of a fruit than Tidus? Considering that Tidus was stronger than Squally, and Auron, that would probably help Vaan (or Ashe? The male one).
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

But I could see the point of, say, UltimaterializerX, if he were to say that pre-MGS3 Raiden would be more deserving than Ocelot.

Why not put in 4 MGS characters? Solid, Liquid, Ocelot, and Raiden could all do well in their own right. If Square can have 11 characters, I see nothing wrong with Konami having 4.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

We're talking personality-wise, not battle-wise.
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More of a fruit than Tidus? Considering that Tidus was stronger than Squally, and Auron, that would probably help Vaan (or Ashe? The male one).

It's the MSF, of course. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Isn't Alucard Konami? Or is that part of his plan...
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

http://simplyff.free.fr/FF12/artworks/character_vaan-ashe.jpg

The girl is Ashe. *drools*

And looking at Vaan, he's got fruit written all over him.
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We're talking personality-wise, not battle-wise.

So am I. In past years, Tidus the fruit has been stronger than Auron the badass and Squall.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

It seems that the Konami chars don't get enough noms.

So I propose a new idea.

The next time the noms come for SC2K5, you can only nominate up to 4 characters from the same company!
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

The girl is Ashe. *drools*

Only one girl? Oh. I thought the other one just had a mastectomy.

^_~
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Tidus has being the star of the most recent FF game going for him.
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And looking at Vaan, he's got fruit written all over him.

And here I honestly thought Nomura could not design a more fruity looking character than Tidus. Obviously, I was wrong.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

How can anyone tell who will be successful from FFXII yet? All we have to go on are a couple of trailers. Ashe could turn out to be as annoying as any FFX-2 girl, and Vaan could be a huge success. We just don't know.
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ZSB [aX]

Query for you MGS people (I'm looking at you, MWIS). If you had to place Ocelot somewhere in the XS, where you would put him? I need to find a good match for him, if I'm going to put both Raiden and Ocelot in my bracket.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

I don't think Nomura is in charge of character design this time. The project is being run by the same team that did Final Fantasy Tactics.
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I don't think Nomura is in charge of character design this time. The project is being run by the same team that did Final Fantasy Tactics.

And the man who directed Vagrant Story, Yasumi Matsuno. Vagrant Story. Yay. ^_^

He also worked on Final Fantasy Tactics, Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (...), and Tactics Ogre.

=)


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Is Vagrant Story any good? I'm only playing *counts* 19 RPGs right now, might as well make it an even 20.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Absolutely. I love Vagrant Story. =)

I don't think it can really be called an RPG, though.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

What would you call it, then?
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Well the battle system is a bit odd - you can press a button to go into battle mode and sphere opens that shows your range. You can choose to attack different body parts, and you can learn combos later on, parrying, etc.

It's weird at first, but once you learn the better attacks and you can have more weapons and combos and spells, it is a lot of fun.

I think it is more dungeon crawling to be honest. But Ashley Riot (main character) kicks ass.

I wouldn't consider it a standard RPG, though going by storyline alone, you could call it one.

http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages3/914326.asp

I know some people have disdain for Gamrankings, but that is a pretty good review and I am an abysmal reviewer. ^_^;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sounds cool. I'll try it out.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

*looks at screenshot*

I see nothing wrong with Vaan, personally.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

It is the definition of an Action-RPG. Best RPG Square has produced since the SNES days. AMAZING AMAZING GAME.

Ashley Riot is like my hero. He needs to hook up with Ashe not the guy who looks like he rather have his eye on a straight guy.

*looks at screenshot*

I see nothing wrong with Vaan, personally.

He's not that bad, actually. But when I let someone at school look at an EGM with him in it, the first reaction is "... Is he gay?"

And I hate to say it, but the average teenager is exceedingly homophobic, and assume that someone is homosexual even if they aren't just based on the way they look.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ulti, the one on the bottom is Vaan. I know its hard to see which one is more masculine there.

*looks at screenshot too*

I don't see anything that could go wrong with Ashe... *drool*
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

It is the definition of an Action-RPG. Best RPG Square has produced since the SNES days. AMAZING AMAZING GAME.

Ashley Riot is like my hero. He needs to hook up with Ashe not the guy who looks like he rather have his eye on a straight guy.

Very true. =)

I don't generally like GameSpot's reviews, but this excerpt is very true:

"Let's just get it out of the way - Vagrant Story is a ground-breaking game. A melange of the action, adventure and RPG genres, Square has truly beaten all odds and produced an engaging, seamless epic unlike any other. Despite a few interface and complexity issues, Vagrant Story is a rare and nearly perfected game."

Vagrant Story owns. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

http://simplyff.free.fr/FF12/artworks/character_vaan-ashe.jpg

Why is ashe picking her nose?
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From the ashes of Reito rose a new kami, and thereafter at every battle came Horobi, Death's wail.

Oh I dont care how annoying Ashe might turn out, I still love her. She ranks just behind Celes and Lyn on my favorite designed females in gaming.

I liked Vagrant Story, but I could never really get into it. I definitely wouldn't consider it an RPG though.
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Allow me to say that when I decided to start that little argument again I knew I wasn't on ground that was secure. I don't believe Tidus dropped like a rock, but at the same time I don't believe he vastly underperformed like you have been claiming he did. I do see Tidus dropping, but not by anything as significant as the X-sts have him at right now. Now, I believe you brought up the point that Mario/Tidus was projected to go 55-45, but you could see Tidus not getting that? Well, I could certainly agree on him getting the 42-43% you said he would against Mario. Why? That kind of underperformance fits perfectly into what you're describing. When you start trying to claim he underperformed by 10% and it just gets crazy.


Also, on the subject of Mega Man staying the same and not increasing. Up until that match against Link, Mega Man was projected to just get above 40% on him, if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if that was on a 2003 or 2004 Link, but it is irrelevant to my point. Up until that match happened there had been projections that gathered Mega Man increasing by 2% from 2003. I fully believe that. Do the X-sts say it happened? No. At the same time, you can't simply adjust it and throw Link/Mega Man out there like it never happened. That's messing with stats and basically making them pointless just so they "look" right.

Do I think Crono could beat Mega Man? No. Do I believe Samus could beat Mega Man? Yes, but certainly in a heated match. Where does this stem from? The fact I think Mega Man did increase from the prior year. Every match--minus Mega Man/Zero--pointed to Mega Man getting some sort of boost from the previous year. Whatever the factor was in Link/Mega Man it was there.

In conclusion, I'm with you in agreeing that Tidus did not drop like a rock. What reason does he have to do that much? I do disagree with you on your explanation as to why Tidus did that bad. Underperforming by 10%? Come on, that's just insane. I think Mega Man increased and Tidus fell a little bit. The stats won't justify it, but that's my view point on this matter.
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Why is ashe picking her nose?

It looks to me that she is touching the tip of her nose with her finger.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Leonhart like I said, its an Action-RPG.

I mean come on if that the genre ZELDA is in, Vagrant Story easily falls in that genre.

Ashley Riot is like my hero. He needs to hook up with Ashe not the guy who looks like he rather have his eye on a straight guy.

Callo >>> Ashe

VS = best game of all time. Seriously, everything about this game rocks. It has the best graphics on the PS1 - they're sort of in the style of Metal Gear Solid. It has an INCREDIBLE translation. I seriously doubt that the original Japanese was anywhere near as good as the English. It has very atmospheric music, which is amazing, especially the first time through. It has the best replay value in ANY RPG, surpassing even Chrono Trigger. It's plot is amazing, and you'll love/hate every single one of the characters. They're just that good.

But yeah, VS is awesome, I'd highly recommend it. If you don't enjoy it at first, put it down for a month and start again. Everyone loves Vagrant Story eventually. Plus, it's not super-long, so you can play it quicker than most of those other 19 RPGs. What are they, btw?
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

The stats don't justify what either of us believe, but that's beside the point. I'm not saying Tidus didn't drop, but it's certainly not to the point that I wouldn't choose him to take RPGuy's 4-pack with ease.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I liked Vagrant Story, but I could never really get into it. I definitely wouldn't consider it an RPG though.

It's not Final Fantasy, but it's certainly still an RPG. More of an RPG then say, Star Ocean 2, anyway.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

1. The Prince - Deffinately in PoP2, but he looks different. Veryy different.

2. Yuri Hyuga - Yuri rocks, I think it'd kick ass to see him in.

3. Fable Character - I don't tihnk he has a name, and I don't want to see him anyway.

4. Lu Bu - Ineligble. He is a real person.

5. Dark Cloud Hero - Toan is the hero of the first, but it's been too long for him to have a shot. I'm 99% sure the second game had a new cast. Maybe if there is another and Toan makes a lead or close to it appearance he has a chance.

6. Rikku - Maybe, but I think Yuna would return first... I'm not thrilled with the idea of FFX having 3 reps, though, so Tidus and Auron are fine enough.

7. Onimusha Star - Samonosuke is the hero in 1 and 3, IIRC. He really shou

8. Fate Linegood - Good idea, though ToS's lead, Lloyd, may be better.

9. Castlevania Hero - Leon and Richter are both on my list of charactres that have high potential.

10. Ryu - I like Fou-lu better, and many people consider each Ryu a different person. Good luck on this one, it seems like a long shot.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

On a side note, I'm glad that the Tactics team is in charge of Final Fantasy XII. However, I was hoping that we'd get another lead character along the lines of Ramza Beoulve. Someone who was truly noble and valiant, with no ulterior motives or anything of the sort. He just wants to do what's right. He's a brilliant character, in my eyes.

I think they tried to do something similar to that with Zidane in FFIX, but they couldn't pull it off as effectively.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

On a side note, I'm glad that the Tactics team is in charge of Final Fantasy XII. However, I was hoping that we'd get another lead character along the lines of Ramza Beoulve. Someone who was truly noble and valiant, with no ulterior motives or anything of the sort. He just wants to do what's right. He's a brilliant character, in my eyes.

Well we don't know that much about Vaan yet. Actually, he sounded a bit like Vyse when I first found out about him, as far as his aspirations for being captain of his own airship went.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Not to mention, Vaan wants to be an Air Pirate, too. It got me thinking that Square was ripping off Skies of Arcadia. A Vyse-like character would be cool, too. I can't say anything positive or negative about Vaan's character right now, but I hate his design.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I demand CJayC get his Dante picture skills rolling next year with this:

http://www.capcom.co.jp/devil2/img/dante.jpg

If I can get that picture out of there, I'm sure he could. I mean it's get the sword. ;)
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Ulti's Snake/Tanner write-up inspired me to do some number-crunching on everyone's new favorite loser. Here's what I came up with:

2004 Link would score 96.48%.

Tails could score 91.89% on Tanner.

Everyone in the adjusted X-Sts all the way down to Protoman would score over 90%.

Gordon Freeman would get 86.87%.

UNADJUSTED Ganondorf would get 85.45% on ADJUSTED Tanner. When adjusted, this score goes up to 94.56%.

Mr. Driller (last in 2002) would get 67.39%. Ms. Pac-Man (previous biggest loser in Summer Contests) would get 71.48%. Mr. Resetti (last in 2003) would get 77.88%. Guybrush (second to last in 2004) would get 82.08%.

Had it been Luigi facing Tanner instead, Megaman's blowout record would've been broken regardless. KOS-MOS would've barely fallen short.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Not to mention, Vaan wants to be an Air Pirate, too. It got me thinking that Square was ripping off Skies of Arcadia. A Vyse-like character would be cool, too. I can't say anything positive or negative about Vaan's character right now, but I hate his design.

Did Ashe have any similarities to an SoA character? I can't find that old EGM right now...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nah, I don't think Ashe bears any resemblance to any SoA characters. She reminds me of Celes somehow, though.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
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And that is a very good thing as Celes just kicks ass. =)

Actually, when I first read about FFXII, my first thought was "This sounds like SoA..." I had just finished playing SoA for the second time (trying for 100% that time), so I think I noticed it more because of that.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, if Final Fantasy XII turns out to be a smash hit, it could give Skies of Arcadia some more well-deserved recognition. Just point those Square fanboys in the right direction and tell them FFXII was based on SoA.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
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What are the other 19? In the order that I've started them:
Lufia and the Fortress of Doom
Phantasy Star II
Star Ocean II
Chrono Cross (going for all endings/characters)
Tales of Eternia (/Destiny II)
Fire Emblem (Eliwood's Hard Campaign)
Final Fantasy IX (replay)
Breath of Fire
Final Fantasy IV (replay)
Wild ARMs II
Earthbound Zero
Shining in the Darkness
Bahamut Lagoon
Tales of Symphonia
Fire Emblem Gaiden (2?)
Front Mission
Star Wars: KOTOR
Soul Blazer
Suikoden

I actually wrote a program that picks out a game for me to play. Sad, I know, but this is the life of a hardcore gamer.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Lufia good. Lufia top of list. Good.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Ashe is like a hot Fina...

I'll note that some of those are Action RPGs (Soul Blazer), others are Strategy RPGs (Fire Emblem), but hey, it's all good.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

I actually wrote a program that picks out a game for me to play. Sad, I know, but this is the life of a hardcore gamer.

O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ashe is like a hot Fina...

XD

Fina was so overpowered once you could use Lunar Light ever turn. XD

And then if you could fit in Justice Shield and Delta Shield, you are basically invincible.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I could never play that many games at the same time. I usually have to focus in on 2 or 3 at a time.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
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Delta Shield + Lunar Light + Vyse = Instant Win

"I actually wrote a program that picks out a game for me to play. Sad, I know, but this is the life of a hardcore gamer.

O_o"

Yeah, I know. Doesn't it just make you wish he'd share?
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I always enjoyed using that item that automatically fills up the Spirit Gauge (the name slips me right now), and raping the final form of Ramirez with Prophecy over and over again.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

CUTLASS FURY = INSTANT WIN!

The special moves in Skies rocked. Cutlass Fury, Pirate's Wrath, Gunslinger, Judgement, and of course, whatever it was that summoned the Ancients.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Last summer, I renamed the "Summer of RPG Greatness" played Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy VI, Chrono Trigger, Shining Force II, and Ogre Battle 64; my 5 favorite RPGs/Strategy-RPGs/Action-RPGs.

I always enjoyed using that item that automatically fills up the Spirit Gauge (the name slips me right now), and raping the final form of Ramirez with Prophecy over and over again.

I got to level 99 (boredom + Elcian) and could hit 9999 every time with Vyse and Enrique using Pirate's Wrath and Judgement, so all I did was spam Lunar Light + Delta Shield + Judgement + Pirate's Wrath. ^_^;

Yeah, I know. Doesn't it just make you wish he'd share?

I'd rather just pick myself. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I remember whenever I summoned the Ancients, I use to go "In dire need, oh forget it I OWN YOU!"

This makes me want to go play Skies again...

Behold...Pirate's Wrath!

"Die."
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
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The special moves in Skies rocked. Cutlass Fury, Pirate's Wrath, Gunslinger, Judgement, and of course, whatever it was that summoned the Ancients.

Silver Eclipse > j00.

Seriously Ramirez had the coolest special attacks... I would've killed for you to be able to use him somehow. =/

Oh and "Dance for me!" was cool as well. =)

http://www.planetdreamcast.com/soaworld/DLSounds/SilverEclipse.wav

I had to post a Silver Eclipse sound clip. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I declare this the greatest Part of the Contest Stats and Discussion ever... So many great games talked about. The only thing that could make this better is if we talked about the dynamics of the Celes/Locke relationship or how LTTP had the best dungeons ever.

Ramirez...The best silver-haired villain ever.
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ALttP, in general, was just downright amazing.
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Leonhart, I agree and I even like old Sephy. But come on, Ramirez was the man.

Yeah HM, it is the greatest game of all time for a reason.

But the dungeons are just so well-designed, sometimes I think Jesus crafted them in his own image.

Speaking of great games - Mega Man 3 deserves a shot in the spring contest. I want to see my new favorite game ever go up and kick some ass and take some names.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Your sentance apparently got cut offm let me finish it for you...

Ramirez...The best silver-haired villain ever.... after Ghaleon.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Ramirez...The best silver-haired villain ever.

He also had a much cooler sword than Sephiroth, in my opinion. =)

Oh and he should've just kicked Galcian's ass. His story was somewhat sad, actually...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

MM4 > MM3 But MegaMan 3 does rule. I mean come on it has Gemini Man...


GEMINI MAN!

Ghaleon is the best silver haired villain!
Ramirez comes in second



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Minnesota Vikings 2-1 (1-0 Div) North Division #1
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Your sentance apparently got cut offm let me finish it for you...

Ramirez...The best silver-haired villain ever.... after Ghaleon.

... I need to play Lufia 2.

>.>
<.<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Mega Man 3 more than deserves to win a game contest. It is easily a perfect game.
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I forgot about MM4... TOAD MAN > ALL!
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Ah, I think it was a nice change of pace to have the second-in-command actually be loyal to his leader and not secretly have the desire to kill him and take all power for himself. Ramirez would undoubtedly own Galcian though.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
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MM4 had Skull Man--the single greatest robot master of all-time.
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I started MM4 a couple of days ago... reminded me of MM3 for game boy. I didn't get that with MM3, although 4 of the stages on MM3 (GB) - Gemini Man, Shadow Man, Snake Man, and Spark Man - were from MM3 (NES), I didn't feel that at all in MM3 (NES).
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

HM, I have to give that title to ole' Gemini. But Skull and Pharoah are a close second and third.

Pharoah was the hardest boss ever.

Ghaleon...Ramirez...Ghaleon...Ramirez...

Ghaleon had the entire second half on Lunar: SSSC to shine, kicked even more ass in Lunar II:EB, and had one of the best scenes in all of gaming near the end of Lunar II.

Ramirez has one of the best final boss battles ever, a great back story, and simply amazing quotes. "Die."

Dammit!

Gotta go with Ghaleon...
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

"... I need to play Lufia 2."

Everybody needs to play Lufia 2... however Ghaleon is from Lunar. But yes, I repeat, everybody needs to play Lufia 2. And you need to nominate Dekar for next years contest. Or I'll kill a kitty.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Pharoah Man wasn't really that hard, if you ask me.
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Those guys are all good. You forget though... QUICK MAN. He is friggin legendary.

Oh, and Torii Hunter just put the Twins up 6-5 in the Top of the 12th inning.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Ah, the wonderful memories of Quick Man's level.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Everybody needs to play Lufia 2... however Ghaleon is from Lunar. But yes, I repeat, everybody needs to play Lufia 2. And you need to nominate Dekar for next years contest. Or I'll kill a kitty.

Bad memory. ^_^;;

Okay, next year I've promised to nominate Ghaleon, Totakeke, and Dekar.

And you better not kill a kitty. >=(


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If a Mega Man gets into the SpC it won't be 4, that's for damn sure. 2 and 3 have the best chances.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Quick Man's stages were the ones with the streams of killing light right?

That was an awesome idea.

Wonderful??? I coulda beat that game without a single game over if it hadn't been for Quick Man's level. Seven lives down the drain. I was on fire that day too.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Totakeke is another character who is the man.

Animal Crossing ruled.

No Robot Master will ever be as cool as Doc Man. Period.

And if you like all these Robot Masters, why not nominate the man who created them, hint hint.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

I nominate Dr. Wily every year. His eyebrows are too cool.

Wily is in my bracket. Not for making the robots, mind you. Its for the eyebrow thing you get at his levels.

Oh, and I completely forgot! HARD MAN! DUH!
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Totakeke ain't got nothin' on Tybalt. "GrrrAHH." Or something like that.

Animal Crossing was strangely addictive. That would've been a perfect online game.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Here is a question:

Who is cooler- K.K. Slider or Any Other Character Ever Made

Heh. Quick Man's stage was definitely a pain.
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I hate Dr. Wily even more than I hate Sigma. And that's saying something, because I just recently beat X3 and X4, and Sigma was freaking hard. He doesn't stack up to Wily in MM7, though. *shudder*

I'll be nominating them both.

How's X4 with Zero, by the way?
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

And if you like all these Robot Masters, why not nominate the man who created them, hint hint.

I made a massive push to try to get Dr. Wily in this year, but it didn't happen. =\
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Dekar is the man. In fact... you, stop talking now. Go play Lufia 2. And when you nominate Dekar make sure you indicate that he's from Lufia 2... there's more than one Dekar running around out there... there more than one Dekar out there with blue hair and an axe...
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Wasn't thre a Dekar in Battle Axe?

Try beating Sigma in MMX3 with no upgrades and just the X-Buster. That was a serious challenge, but I can do it now without as much problem.


And X4 is an excellent title, I absolutely loved that game. I wrote a review on it if you're interested. It's my personal favorite in the series.
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I think I'll pass on the Sigma challenge. I have enough trouble with Mega Man (X) games as it is.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

I meant Golden Axe.

I'll remember that Chichiri. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Actually, there is only one major RPG series in which I have never played a game from for some reason...

Breath of Fire...

Breath of Fire is an excellent RPG series by Capcom.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Pahroah Man is an overrated joke. Charge Mega Buster, jump over Pharoah Shot, fire Mega Buster, rinse and repeat while staying on the center platform during Pharoah Man's jumping phases.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

I have heard that, just never got around to it.

Ulti, SHUSH YOU!

"there more than one Dekar out there with blue hair and an axe..."

Oops, there should probably be an "isn't" in there somewhere. Work makes me too tired to think.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I'm going through Breath of Fire right now, and it's pretty good.

But now it's time to finish off Tales of Eternia. If you want to play a game with a kickass battle system and awesome boss battles, check it out.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Last year, I had Earthworm Jim get my sig-support and I hopefully made all the difference. This year, it'll be Dr. Wily when my Guru'd-sig comes to an end; I hope HM helps too. Would I be alone if I thought Dr. Wily could beat Luigi?
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

"Would I be alone if I thought Dr. Wily could beat Luigi?"

I hope so.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I'm going through Breath of Fire right now, and it's pretty good.

If by Breath of Fire, you mean the BoF series, Dragon Quarter is apparently similar to Vagrant Story, in some way. Just something I'd heard, although it may not be true.

And RPGuy...post your bracket in a topic! I'd love to see how the rest of the board would react to it, and none of the other brackets being posted are super-impressive. It'd be good to see a very good one out there, so that everyone could know what an awesome bracket truly looks like.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

From previously hearing talks about how Sigma could beat Sora, or at least make it very interesting...I would find it unbelievable if people can't put the same faith into Dr. Wily to beat Luigi.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I don't think Sigma would beat Sora, not do I think Wily would beat Luigi. People take this being in good proportion to the hero thing like it's the law.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Yeah, and I thought that was crazy too. What's your point?
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I think the Sigma thing is crap, too...I also think Dr. Wily would be stronger than Sigma, and Luigi is weaker than Sora. Dr. Wily would have SOME strength entering the contest if he gets in, and I would consider him around Luigi's level, perhaps even a lil' higher. Nothing insane, really.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

We need to get BoF2 Ryu in the contest. That still remains one of my five favorite games ever. And after playing through FFX, I felt like Capcom should have sued Square for plagurism... Evan... Yevon... bull. What dirty birds. And I still haven't finished Lufia 2. I got caught up in the endless dungeon, and never got back into the game. Dekar really didn't do it for me; I was, however, completely enthralled with the girl. The fact that I cannot remember her name probably doesn't show it that well, but the scene in the middle of the game where she <spoiler>, I was completely speechless.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

"Dekar really didn't do it for me;"

You just said you had spent more tim ein the endless dungeon than progressing in the story, so you're missing a part of what makes Dekar kick so much ass. ANd there were two girls, Selan and Tia. Tia is the one that joins you in the very beginning, Selan joins later.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

We need to get BoF2 Ryu in the contest.

All the Ryus would probably be caught under one heading (even if they've been proven to not be the same character) by Ceej, thanks to the Mega Rule.

That still remains one of my five favorite games ever.

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Tell me you're joking. PLEASE tell me you're joking. Breath of Fire II is the worst RPG I've ever played. The translation is worse than FFT's, the characters are bland, and half the game is a single fetch quest gone horribly wrong!

You just said you had spent more tim ein the endless dungeon than progressing in the story, so you're missing a part of what makes Dekar kick so much ass.

You mean the erotic subtext with his sword?
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

Nah, the return of Dekar.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Can you guys fill me in on what you guys have determined about the contest since it ended? Like there is no longer a N9? Or it's just the S7 or there are new members now in like an Excellent 11 or something?

Or anything else not related to that?
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

The day that there is an Excellent Eleven, the terrorists have won.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Btw there is an error in the SFF adjusted Extrapolated stats

http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

The 'advanced round to' category is messed up between Liquid and Solid Snake.
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

In all seriousness, it needs to be either the top five or top eight that get a magic label this year; there's a big enough gap between Crono/Mario or Mega Man/Ryu to warrant having cut-off points between either of them.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Got back from my Tales of Eternia binge...rarely have I had a final fight that I didn't want to fight, because I sympathize with the character I'm fighting, have such a...satisfying ending. I'd say more, but I don't want to spoil it. It's not too often in an RPG that a final battle lets you do things you can do in other genre's, but Tales is just amazing that way.

And how's this for attacks:
Dark Force - "There's no use."
Holy Lance - "Feel the wrath of God."
Thunder Blade - "Fools."
Nihilistic Night - "Hahahahaha!"
Summon Pluto - "Perish."
Eternal Finality
-The Darkness of the Outer Limits-

Anyway, just want to encourage you all to play Tales of Eternia. Tis a masterpiece.

As for contest related things, I'll post a topic for my bracket eventually, I'll play Lufia 2 and form an opinion of Dekar as soon as I beat the original Lufia, we shouldn't form an elite group at all, and I think that's it.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Have you guys just spent most of your time makin up brackets? Cuz that's what it seemed like and I got tired of lurking these damn topics with ppl flailing to you vets to ask about your opinion on their matchups in their brackets.
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

My personal preference would be to cut it off at Crono. There seems to be a good difference between Crono and Mega Man. There seems to be a pretty clear distinction between Crono - Mega Man. Unless MM actually did suffer some odd pseudo-SFF against Link.

This is the first time I really looked at these. Link would get 53.62% on himself in 2003? Wow. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'd suggest cutting it off at Mega Man, due to the odd nature that Link/MM caused. I'll think more on this tomorrow though; I gotta get some sleep. G-nite ya'll.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I suppose that makes sense - there is a slightly larger difference between Mega Man - Mario compared to Crono - Mega Man.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"I'll play Lufia 2 and form an opinion of Dekar as soon as I beat the original Lufia"

Actually, if you haven't started Lufia 1 yet I suggest you play Lufia 2 first.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

But cutting out Mario would make it seem like we are convinced he can't beat MM which ISNT the case. At least not to me.
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We Must Get Ashley Riot in SC2K5. IT IS OUR DUTY!

I'm not kidding, BoF II only falls behind Final Fantasy IX and Secret of Mana, but just ahead of Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy X. The characters were not bland! I will give you Rand made me want to hang myself with something, anything long and tangible. But the storyline with Ryu and multiple endings still make this game freakin' awesome for replaying. Yes, the translations weren't exactly Whitman, but means little to me, because I know what is meant to be said, regardless of what is lost in translation.

And yes, Chi, you are right that I have not finished the game, and thus cannot pass judgement on Dekar. However, from what I had seen he just didn't do it for me. Yeah, it was one of those two girls. When I get back to the game in a bit I will just check my party to know which one I am talking about.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

I'm almost done with Lufia 1, I hope. I don't particularly like it, and I'm hoping Lufia 2 is a significant improvement.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Seems that Halo 2 hasn't actually had 1 million pre-orders - Microsoft called those figures premature and speculative. "Only" 750,000 copies have been preordered thus far.

Not much of a difference, but might as well point that out so people don't continue referencing the "1 million preorders" figure. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeha, Lufia 2 is much, much better. It's too bad you played Lufia 1 first. Hope you don't have any memory of the openning sequence.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Err, considering I started in ~last April, I really don't. That's kinda the downside to playing so many games at once. It gets hard to keep track of the more forgettable ones.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Good, because it'd spoil the end to Lufia 2. 2 is so much better...
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

But cutting out Mario would make it seem like we are convinced he can't beat MM which ISNT the case. At least not to me.

Cutting out Mario would mean that we are convinced he won't beat Crono, Samus, Sephiroth, Cloud, or Link...it means nothing about winning or losing when facing Mega Man. However, considering he's beat Crono twice and Cloud once (I could believe he'd get enough rSFF to beat Samus, too), I don't think he shouhd be cut out. If you don't cut him out, Sonic and Mega Man are close enough behind him to make it into that group, too. Then, from there, there's a decent gap between them and the rest; Mega Man and Sonic have both beaten Zero, and Sonic beat Ryu as well, so that should confirm their status if the extrapolated didn't.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I don't think Mario's beating Cloud should be counted because Cloud is so much stronger now and because he would've lost regardless without that link...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This is totally off topic, but I just looked at Heroic Mario's contributor page.

o_O

Sonic Games? MULTIPLE Sonic games? 9s and 10s? Welcoming Sonic to Nintendo??? Telling Nintendo fans to rejoice???? Hurricanes in the Southeast. Earthquakes on the west coast. Volcanoes blowing in the northwest. Heroic Mario praising Sonic....

Pray.... now!
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SC2K4: 188/192 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

He's beaten Crono twice with controversy too. If you want to exclude those wins, he's never beaten a Noble Nine member...or any of the members who's been added with controvery either, like Magus/Zero/Ryu. At least Sonic, Mega Man, and Solid Snake have beaten one of them, which confirms their status there more than Mario has if you don't want to count Mario's best matches.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Ha, I just read Heroic Mario's Sonic Adventure 2:Battle review. 9/10? Nothing really bad to say? Shocking! Except for the fact that he doesn't like rap ;_;. I admit that the lyrics aren't the greatest, but even if you DON'T like rap, you gotta admit that the music from some of the Knuckles stages is kinda catchy (Pumpkin Hill, Wild Canyon). I think the soundtrack of SA2:B is one of the best I've ever heard if you keep an open mind about the different genres of music being used.

Anyways, back on subject. I think this year confirmed that there is no elite section of characters. The characters pretty much fall in line. There may be little gaps here and there, but nothing warranting breaking off the characters from the rest of a group. As of now, it's nothing more than a personal acknowledgement thing. Even though there is a gap between Sephiroth and Samus, Samus is a potential MP2 and MPH away from closing the gap. There's nothing to say that other characters like Zero and Magus won't have the same thing going for them in the near future....
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SC2K4: 188/192 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

still no word from cjayc about the user made bracket, eh? he's probably just busy trying to decide if he should retire winners or not.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

He's probably busy keeping the code on the site as updated as possible so that he doesn't have to shut it down for maintenance all the time.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

He's beaten Crono twice with controversy too. If you want to exclude those wins, he's never beaten a Noble Nine member

The first win was legitimate. Crono mass cheated in 2002, not Mario.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Fair enough, though there was still controversy. So, Mario beat Crono twice...once with controversy because Crono was caught cheating, and another because Mario wasn't caught cheating. Crono then beats Mario with a bigger gap between them than the two gaps Mario by Crono by combined. Considering their history and records (Crono's the only one who had a dominating victory, but Mario's had Crono's number twice), I can't see why Crono should be the cut-off point and leave Mario out.

Perhaps it's just me, but I find it weird for a former 2k2 Runner-Up to not be considered among the elite, especially if you're goin' to count Crono as one.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

This is totally off topic, but I just looked at Heroic Mario's contributor page.

o_O

Sonic Games? MULTIPLE Sonic games? 9s and 10s? Welcoming Sonic to Nintendo??? Telling Nintendo fans to rejoice???? Hurricanes in the Southeast. Earthquakes on the west coast. Volcanoes blowing in the northwest. Heroic Mario praising Sonic....

Pray.... now!

I know. He remember a topic of his saying that he liked Sonic games. It's just that if it is a Sonic character or a Nintendo character, guess who he chooses? =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Note: yeah, Cloud jumped alot from 2k2 to 2k3, but Cloud was still a force to be reckoned with. I'ts also been speculated that Cloud could have beat Link in 2k2, though I am fully against that idea.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I think that before the link from PGC, Cloud was headed for 52-53% on Mario. Certainly not a score that would beat Link, by any stretch.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Cloud beating Link in 2002? O_o

I don't really think so. He was significantly overperforming in every one of his matches in 2003 (about 5 - 7% overperformance against CATS?), and he still only beat Link with 51.61%. I think he was underrated by the X-Sts in 2002, and maybe could hit 45 - 46%, but not beat Link.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Right, I disagree too, I'm just saying I've heard the argument.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I know I've heard it thrown around before, too. ^_^

I just never gave my opinion on it at the time ... and now felt like as good a time as any to do so.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Anybody who thinks Cloud could have even challenged Link in 2k2 needs to get their head examined. It's unlikely he could have even matched Sephiroth, considering Sephiroth's possible WDF overperformance.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

This has little to do with the conversation, though it is in reference to the contest. MMXcalibur and I are doing character bios for his website, and I was wondering what you guys thought of the Alucard page that I'm currently working on:

http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/alucard.htm

Good pic/music/bio, or no?
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

I dug it; my speakers aren't workin, so I can't say anything 'bout the music, but the rest looked good.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Can't get the music, Firefox won't let me.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Eh. I've never been a fan of putting music on websites, since I usually have Winamp running.
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Co-champion of the Summer 2k4 Guru bracket challenge, along with ps2rulezz and Hogasm, with 190 points!

Download the plug-in, or just look at the site on IE.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

The bio is pretty good, the pic is decent (but It's hard to find great pics of alucard) and the music...

Well, it sounds just fine, but it's far from my favorite piece in the game.

A favorite of mine...

http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/sega/saturn/Saturn_Bloody_Tears.mid

Though of course, it doesn't give the "feel" I'd look for in terms of Alucard, I guess. Plus, as much as I love Bloody Tears, that midi doesn't do that version of the song any justice whatsoever.

http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/sony/ps1/sotnchap.mid

That has a pretty good feel to it, I must say. And this is always good...

http://www.vgmusic.com/music/console/sony/ps1/sotnpain.mid

In fact, that's one of my favorites in the game, after Bloody Tears (damn the PSX version for not having it).

Yeah, I guess considering all things, you got one of the best pieces. You know, what with SOTN's Bloody Tears not translating well into midi and Lost Painting potentially being too "boring".
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I think Vampire Killer (The music, of course) would fit better but it is only my taste.
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Number 50 in the SC2K4!

Vampire Killer is always good too.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

*listens to Bloody Tears from the Saturn version of SotN*

Nope, still don't think anything tops this. Michuri Yamane owns.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I like the bios so far. It's a nice touch to the website. =)

And Slowflake, you are the fourth person who I've heard has had problem's with Firefox for sound. I never had any problems from the first time I downloaded it. O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Remember the suggestion that Alucard might've underperformed against Sephiroth in 2003? If he did so against Sephiroth, perhaps he underperformed against CLOUD in 2002? Maybe Cloud doesn't HAVE to be that strong to take care of the Alucard/Tails anomaly?

If you assume Ganon and Alucard are the same in 2004 as in 2003, one would assume that Alucard, at an extrapolated value of 29.75%, shoulda received 29.92% on Sephiroth, rather than 27.72%. Alucard thus had 92.65% of his normal strength against Sephiroth. If you applied that to his match with Cloud, Alucard should've received 32.77% on Cloud in 2002, rather than 30.36% (I hope I didn't screw up the math...). Working from there, Cloud would be expected to receive 38-39% on Link, AND Alucard and Tails would now be taken care of. :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Seriously. Instead of where the mini-player of sorts is, there's a green puzzle piece on a gray background, and when it leads me to where the plugin is supposed to be, there's no plugin.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Slow, get the extension directly from
http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=146&vid=237

I hope it'll work for you, it's working for me even though I'm with 1.0PR
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

A little something for you guys to look at, as I haven't seen it posted before. I've combined SC2k2, SC2k3 and SFF-adjusted SC2k4 extrapolated standings using creative's data and sorted all 109 characters based on their latest appearance. I think it's nice to have them all in a single pack to evaluate who should return and how strong newcomers should be to get in.

http://oraclechallenge.tripod.com/extrapolated.html
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

Every time the extrapolateds are looked at, Tanner gets worse.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

A little something for you guys to look at, as I haven't seen it posted before. I've combined SC2k2, SC2k3 and SFF-adjusted SC2k4 extrapolated standings using creative's data and sorted all 109 characters based on their latest appearance. I think it's nice to have them all in a single pack to evaluate who should return and how strong newcomers should be to get in.

Pretty nice. A few things though. You should have used "." not "," for the decimal point. o.0; Also, you should calculate what they would be expected to get on Link in the years they weren't in based on latest performance.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

...Is MMX considering guest write-ups?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Also, you should calculate what they would be expected to get on Link in the years they weren't in based on latest performance.

That's my only suggestion as well. These are the only stats that I'm glad to see are adjusted; kudos. However, seeing Claire Redfield rank over Kefka, Luigi, Donkey Kong, Jill Valentine, and even Alucard has got to be wrong on multiple levels. Same for Morrigan over everybody I just listed besides Alucard.

Also, looking at the characters who have made it every year, from the bottom-up...

Ryo Hazuki
CATS
Gordon Freeman
Lara Croft
Pac-Man
Crash Bandicoot
Max Payne
Duke Nukem
Scorpion
Jill Valentine
Bomberman
Tails
Donkey Kong
Knuckles
Tidus
Dante
Kirby
Alucard
Squall
Ryu
Solid Snake
Sonic
Mario
Mega Man
Crono
Samus
Sephiroth
Cloud
Link

...twenty-nine characters have made it in all three years, though I think the order they're in is kind of screwy; we've got enough info to fool with this and see that not all of this is right (though I know the extrapolated is certainly not the final word in rankings). I'm gonna try to sort them out later on tonight.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

erm, i don't get it. according to this 2004 cloud gets 51% on 2004 link?


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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

All I know is Gordon's theme song still better be 3DD's Loser. I laughed for two good minutes when I went to the website and heard that playing for the match.

And someone earlier addressed how Cloud's 52-53% on Mario pre-PlanetGCN would not have taken out Link.

...unless Mario got SFFed pretty good.

*Runs away*

And if MMX and you are entertaining the idea of guest-writeruppers (which Leonhart brought up), I would probably give my left kidney to get write up Vercetti's. Just thought I would throw that out there.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Yeah, I thought it was really weird seeing how high Claire Redfield was. She actually ranked 13th in 2002 though, right behind Aeris and ahead of Jill Valentine. She was the strongest character not to return in 2003, yet I've never heard any mention of her being considered a big snub. I doubt she'd still be that strong, considering Jill has fallen quite a ways since 2002.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

can SOMEONE exlpain the oracle extrapolateds earlier on this page?

why it shows cloud 2k4 as having 51% on 2k4 link?
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

You should have used "." not "," for the decimal point.

Living in Montreal + studying in french -> using Excel for school work which means using francophone mathematical notation conventions ("," instead of ".", and other things). Usually I think about changing it when I post something on the boards but this time I forgot. Sue me =P

o.0; Also, you should calculate what they would be expected to get on Link in the years they weren't in based on latest performance.
All values are in standard SC2k2/SC2k3 Link strength, which is already giving what they would get on Link in 2k2 and 2k3, and is better IMO for comparison and sorting purposes.

And as far as some characters looking out of place, I think that the following should be adjusted: Sephiroth(#3), Claire Redfield(#21), Tidus (#27), Shadow(#30), Morrigan (#33), Felix(#35), Strider(#37), Yuna(#39), Kasumi(#42), Ramza(#45), Ken(#48), Duke Nukem(#52), Servbot(#56), Protoman(#57), Fox McCloud(#65), Sam Fisher(#67), Lara Croft(#74).
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

What I'd like to see is an average columnfor each character. We don't need a latest performance column, as we can just look to the rigth until we see numbers.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

can SOMEONE exlpain the oracle extrapolateds earlier on this page?

why it shows cloud 2k4 as having 51% on 2k4 link?

It doesn't. All the numbers in the three far right columns are against Link 2k2/2k3, NOT Link 2k4.
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***nifboy is my God!***
nifboy decimated me in the Summer 2004 Contest!

What I'd like to see is an average columnfor each character. We don't need a latest performance column, as we can just look to the rigth until we see numbers.

Here you go, characters ranked by their average performance:
http://oraclechallenge.tripod.com/extrapolatedaverage.html
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

I'm just going to step in here real quick and say...

I demand CJayC use this picture for Mario next year: http://ds.advancedmn.com/images/media/i_5713.jpg

It's the coolest art for Mario I've seen in a long time. Nintendo's doing an excellent job.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

Winner of SC2k5: Mario
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SpC2k4: 162/192 ~ SC2k4: 187/192
A tribute to Glenn's eternal victories.

Wow, that is a nice, polished Mario pic.

Looks nice.
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Moltar Fact 12. Moltar would have made the leaderboard if he didn’t have Cloud winning.

I cannot wait to get Super Mario 64 DS. If that doesn't help Mario out I question the people's minds...
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

Good stuff on the averages, King Morgoth. It only uses the adjustments for 2K4, though...I'd like to see it with the 2K3 and 2K2 adjustments, as well.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

yay, a picture larger than the DS screen.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

It only uses the adjustments for 2K4, though...I'd like to see it with the 2K3 and 2K2 adjustments, as well.

Did anyone ever come up with sff-adjusted stats for 2k3 and 2k2? creative doesn't have any on sc2k4.com and I know we discussed about adjusting them but I can't find any complete adjusted stats...
I'd be glad to readjust the averages if I can lay my hands on relevant data...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

I love those stats, King.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Nice stats, Morgoth. Gordon and CATS right next to each other... LOL. Though Samus' killing of Sam Fisher totally ruined his score, even if Gordon did much better than projected against said Fisher.

Downloaded the extension, it's as effective as the goggles, or Splash, your pick.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

About Claire: she was in the West Division. Chances are, she's overrated in the stats, and has fallen because she hasn't been in a game since RE2 (I think).
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Well, Claire was still about as strong as Jill, even so.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Thank you, King Morgoth. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That picture of Mario was too cool to pass up a wallpaper opportunity.

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5504/NintendoDesktop.jpg
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

That looks awesome. Wow. O_O
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just finished making an image of Dante. It's too bad match pictures have to be 100x125. :(

http://users.triconet.org/rskovan/dante.jpg

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
FFXI: Luninutz: Carbuncle - 20 WAR / 10 MNK

I was just thinking...

Geno is both Nintendo and Square. It says so in the SMRPG intro.

Now, if he happens to join the character battle next year, and the company limit is still in effect, to which company will Geno count?
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Now, if he happens to join the character battle next year, and the company limit is still in effect, to which company will Geno count?

Mario and Luigi confirms it - Geno is Squenix property.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

Cool picture, LuniNutz99. ^_^

Did anyone notice Link and Cloud's individual vote totals in their Final Four matches compared to the finals:

Link (Final Four) - 63,913 votes
Link (Championship) - 64,443

Cloud (Final Four) - 59,867 votes
Cloud (Championship) - 59,910

Pretty impressive that they both went up slightly in terms of individual votes. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Technically, Geno is one of Nomura's creations.

Kingdom Hearts cameo, anyone? I think he'd fit in well in a Disney world.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Oh and the bios are looking better on the Prophet page. I can't wait until more of them are up. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

They need Square credits to get him in that game because Square is the other owner. It's called joint property.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/mario.htm

ECKS DEE
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Gotta love it.

*crosses fingers in hopes of guest write-ups*
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I wanna write Sonic's.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

I love it.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

This is kinda random, but does anybody know where I can find decent art of Ridley?
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

samus.co.uk
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

I know a guy named Phazon Eater 128 in its forums... actually, he's one of the mods... he makes lots of Ridley avatars and wallpapers.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Claire was in Code Veronica and there is a DECENT chance she will make an appearance in RE4.
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We Must Get Ashley Riot in SC2K5. IT IS OUR DUTY!

I'm just using Internet Explorer, and I don't know if it's just my computer, but whenever I go to the Prophet Web Site I always get a prompt to automatically download the background songs.
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I was PWNed by nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm.

Leonhart, Geno made a cameo in Mario and Luigi. Somehow with Square and Nintendo recently found fondness of each other, I could see him making a big return on the DS.

I still can't believe Miyamoto confirmed online play OFFICIALLY for the DS.
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We Must Get Ashley Riot in SC2K5. IT IS OUR DUTY!

We Must Get Ashley Riot in SC2K5. IT IS OUR DUTY!

Okay. =)

Characters to nominate -

1. Ghaleon
2. Totakeke
3. Dekar
4. Ashely Riot

^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

...Dr. Wily, anyone? And could somebody give me a quick briefing of Ghaleon and Dekar please?
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I know nothing about either character, other than that Ghaleon looks cool from the pictures I've seen. I've just promised to nominate those characters. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Play Lunar. And Lunar II. NOW.

I'd do Lufia II, too, but I haven't played that yet. <.<

I really can't say much about Ghaleon without spoiling a lot.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

We need to make sure Serge gets into the contest next year. Hopefully, we'll be able to rally more support.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I'll be doing another Dr. Wily campaign once nominations roll around.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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The Lunars and Lufia 2 are all on the PS2, if I'm not mistaken...and I have no plans of getting one anytime soon. Spoil me if you like.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

We've gotta make sure Sonic gets in too.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Glad to hear it HM; what do you think his strength would be if he was in the contest this year?
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

And could somebody give me a quick briefing of Ghaleon and Dekar please?

Ghaleon: One of the four Heroes of Althena, later the Magic Emperor and general badass from the Lunar games. One of the first doublecasters in RPGs. Bordering on obsessive concerning the Goddess Althena.

Dekar: The Man Who Forgot How to Lose, the best pure fighter in Lufia II. Master of over 100 attacking techniques, a Knight of Bound. Not particularly bright, but one of the bravest men in the world.
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

I think he'd be around mid-20's in the 2004 X-sts. I can't think of one reason for him to be weak.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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The Lunars and Lufia 2 are all on the PS2, if I'm not mistaken...and I have no plans of getting one anytime soon. Spoil me if you like.

Lufia 2 = SNES

Lunar & Lunar II = Playstation (and Saturn), and I think there's a GBA port of Lunar, too.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Mid-20s? Looking at the stats, I can't think of one person in the 20s I'd pick Wily to beat.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

The Lunars and Lufia 2 are all on the PS2, if I'm not mistaken...and I have no plans of getting one anytime soon. Spoil me if you like.

Lufia II is for the SNES, and there are Sega CD and Saturn versions of both Lunar games. The Lunar games are Playstation 1.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

I don't see anyone from Luigi down that could beat Dr. Wily.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Luigi's #30, by the way. Don't think Wily would beat him either.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I'll try to keep an eye out for Lufia 2, but I have GOT to finish FF3/6 sometime soon first.

As for Dr. Wily, I think he could go punch-for-punch with Luigi and not much higher. Still, I would pick Dr. Wily if he faced Luigi.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Let me clarify, I meant mid-20's in percentage against Link.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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I'm nominating these characters. I would nominate Samus and Magus, but they will be in anyway, so I'll nominate other characters that I don't like as much, but need it more and/or would likely be a threat to shake up standings..

Vivi
Conker
Kefka
Aeris
Zelda
Lloyd Irving
Vincent Valentine
Sarah Kerrigan

I still have two to nominate. Suggestions? I'm thinking one for Terra, even though I like many other in FFVI more. She'd likely do the best out of any FFVI character.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Let me clarify, I meant mid-20's in percentage against Link.

I know. But look at the X-Sts again:

http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

I don't see him beating the characters in the 24% to 26% range.

I think a "mid-20s" is actually much more respectable than it was before because Link has increased
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nominate Serge!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Mid-20's in % on Link is Mid-20's in rank anyway.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

I need to nominate Kerrigan, too. The Queen of Blades kicks ass. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I would nominate Samus and Magus, but they will be in anyway,

I think SC2K4 proved to us that you can't afford to think that way.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

*looks at bracket*

New/Snubbed Characters:
Zidane Tribal
Terra Branford
Raiden
Leon Kennedy
Sarah Kerrigan
Morrigan Aensland
Fox McCloud
Serge
Vincent Valentine
Strider Hiryu
Aeris Gainsborough
Sigma
Sub-Zero
Lloyd Irving
Ken Masters
Carl Johnson
Ghaleon
Mewtwo
Felix
Princess Peach
Bass
Geno
Kalas
Mai
Nightmare
Ridley

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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Maybe I will nominate Magus. Samus is a sure thing though. I don't think even CJayC would neglect to bring her back, as well as she's done in past contests.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

No Zelda, RPGuy?
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Oh, add Ocelot to that list.

Speaking of Ocelot, where would you place him in the XS? I'm trying to find a good match for him...
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Add Zelda too.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

No Zelda, RPGuy?

Bring Zelda back!
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Put Zelda up against Link and see who saps off of his fanbase more.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Relax, Zelda's back. In fact, she's my solution to "the Sora problem."

(4) Kirby 28.54
(13) Tidus 27.19
(5) Sora 29.62
(12) Zelda 30.29

Take that, SFF!
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Put Zelda up against Link and see who saps off of his fanbase more.

Just a wild guess, but I would say that Link would.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Put Zelda up against Link and see who saps off of his fanbase more.

XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I don't see him beating the characters in the 24% to 26% range.

I could see him going inch for inch against Luigi and possibly beat Vercetti. That qualifies at mid-20's against Link. Besides, my original statement was meant to be taken as in percentage.
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Just a wild guess, but I would say that Link would.

No, no. He meant who saps more off of Link's popularity, Ganondorf or Zelda?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I could see him going inch for inch against Luigi and possibly beat Vercetti. That qualifies at mid-20's against Link. Besides, my original statement was meant to be taken as in percentage.

... Maybe Luigi. And I assumed you meant percentages anyway. ^_^;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Okay, I found a spot for Revolver Ocelot.

(4) Frog 32.13
(13) Revolver Ocelot
(5) Dante Sparda 27.99
(12) Shadow the Hedgehog 26.75
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

No, no. He meant who saps more off of Link's popularity, Ganondorf or Zelda?

I know what he meant. I was just making fun of his typo.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

No, no. He meant who saps more off of Link's popularity, Ganondorf or Zelda?

Probably G-Dawg. I mean, you'll likely get 1-2% of voters who think that Link is "Zelda".
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

If Luigi doesn't get a boost from SM64 DS I'm going to be sorely disappointed. Come on, it's playable Luigi in SM64. People's dreams have been answered--albeit seven years later, but who cares?
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Probably G-Dawg. I mean, you'll likely get 1-2% of voters who think that Link is "Zelda".

No Picture Battle: Link vs. Zelda

XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Luigi had a much more important role in M&L:SS than he ever will in SM64 DS, but that didn't help him too much.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

That was more of a lack of clarity than a typo, but people still knew what I meant.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Luigi had a much more important role in M&L:SS than he ever will in SM64 DS, but that didn't help him too much.

He doesn't have any lesser role than Mario would have in SM64 DS. In fact, you start off playing the game as Yoshi--who has to find Mario, Luigi, and Wario to make them playable. His role in M&L:SS, while extremely cool, turned many people off. If I don't see a boost from some of the Mario cast within this coming year I'll definitely be disappointed. The characters in the series have such a great line-up ahead.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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No-picture battle would be interesting for Link/Zelda, heh.

That makes me ask this: if these battles never had a picture, who do you think would benefit the most and be hurt the most from not having a picture?
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Actually the new SM64 should help Yoshi and Wario more than anyone. Yoshi because you start and him and Wario because well its the first time we have seen him in a major game in a while that didnt involve Golf/Racing/Tennis (Wario World being the bomb it was.)

I want to know. Who wouldn't give an arm and a leg for a IS/Square sequel to Super Mario RPG
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We Must Get Ashley Riot in SC2K5. IT IS OUR DUTY!

Master Chief would die without a picture unless the word "Halo" was next to his name.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

(4) Kirby 28.54
(13) Tidus 27.19

That's just too cruel ;_;
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I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Mario might benefit the most with no picture. Cloud and Sephiroth might drop out of the top 10.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

You think Kirby/Tidus is cruel? Have you seen the rest of my bracket?
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Didn't remember what exactly was going on where I left off in Lufia II, so I restarted it. Four hours in and I remember why it was so addictive. Sure, I am not a huge fan of some of the nuances of the game, but I need to beat it so I can give an accurateview on Dekar. Never touched a Resident Evil or Lunar game either, and this past weekend was the first time a Metal Gear game hit my PS2. And I will be beating MGS right about the same time MGS2 is dropped off by Mr. Fedex guy. Gonna be a wonderful, wonderful weekend.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Cloud and Sephiroth drop out of the top 10 on GameFAQs because of no picture? I really doubt that.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Looking that over, I don't think Kirby does much in that one. Tidus shouldn't have dropped that low, although a smaller drop is something I could see.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

That makes me ask this: if these battles never had a picture, who do you think would benefit the most and be hurt the most from not having a picture?

Benefit:
-Solid Snake. He's got a recognizable name for gamers, and his pictures have so far been horrible.
-Kefka. He has no good pictures, save his sprite.
-Mario. More a case of not being hurt by it, I suppose.
-Ryu. Which one, you might ask? All of them would benefit from the Residual Ryu Effect, where they can leech off of the others' popularity among casuals.

Hurt:
-Master Chief.
-Gordon Freeman.
-Dante.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

What about Sora/Zelda? The gut reaction, of course, is Zelda, but we have to consider how Mega Man collapsed against Link. Zelda's rating is based on Mega Man. What if he underperformed on her? Now, you're probably thinking that's rather unlikely, but remember that Lara Croft was under Zelda. If Zelda overperformed on Mega Man, Lara's fall this year isn't nearly as sharp.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

Zelda's a tough case with something like KH2 right around the corner.
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Although, I would take her in a match but it would certainly be a tough one.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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I think I take Sora simply because G-Dorf > Zelda and I think Sora might be able to give G-Dorf a match next year.
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We Must Get Ashley Riot in SC2K5. IT IS OUR DUTY!

Sora's got the edge with Kingdom Hearts II. He's gonna be awesome in that game.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I assume KH2 comes out before the next contest, and I'm going to assuming in this case that Zelda 10 gets released by then, too...

...Sora/Ganon would be HELLACIOUS.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

You think Kirby/Tidus is cruel? Have you seen the rest of my bracket?

Not the match; Tidus wins it easily. Tidus beating Kirby is just torture.
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If Zelda 10 comes out within the next year I don't see Ganondorf/Sora being a hard match to predict.
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Sora's got more room to imrpove, being a new hero and all; Ganon's a respected villian, so things could get ugly. We saw how Tidus/Ganon went last year, and I figure KH sold as much as FFX and that Sora doesn't get as much hate as Tidus does.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Make that XI, I keep forgetting about TMC.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

I'd go with Ganondorf.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

If Ganondorf can put up another oscar winning performance like in The Wind Waker, I wouldn't have a problem taking him over Sora. Then again, I would take him without Zelda XI being released.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

I'd pick Ganon over Sora without thinking.

Then again, I picked Ryu H over Sora without thinking >_<
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Ganondorf shouldn't have much trouble with Sora, even with KH2.
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm are my gods in the Guru Contest and in life. I have built shrines honoring them, for it is the least I can do.

Did anyone ever come up with sff-adjusted stats for 2k3 and 2k2? creative doesn't have any on sc2k4.com and I know we discussed about adjusting them but I can't find any complete adjusted stats...

King Morgoth, off the top of my head, the only two characters i can think of that you forgot to adjust are Aya Brea and Bub from the massive SFF Donkey Kong suffered at the hands of Mario. if all the other characters are at their SFF adjusted values, then Aya and Bub should also be.

that would put Aya Brea in 34th place at 24.78% between Morrigan and Luigi (and ahead of DK, lol). Bub would be in 58th place at 19.26% between Servbot and Protoman.


That makes me ask this: if these battles never had a picture, who do you think would benefit the most and be hurt the most from not having a picture?

Kefka would really be helped out a lot, while Crono and Shadow the Hedgehog would be hurt the most.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I remember charmander6000 posting some adjusted stats for 2002 and 2003. He factored the West Division Factor in the 2002 stats.
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SC2K4 Final Score: 184/192
Contest Winner: Link

Here's the stats for the returning characters from the West Division. I'm not sure if these are exactly what charmander came up with, but they should be very, very close.

Sephiroth 38.57%
Samus 36.53%
Sonic 36.52%
Ken 25.35%
Ryu 30.8%
CATS 11.83%
Tidus 30.07%
Mega 38.18%
Crash 14.26%

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I think Sephiroth could get 40%
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Here's all 16 with WDF accounted for:

Sephiroth 38.57
Samus 36.53
Sonic 36.52
Ken 25.35
Ryu 30.8
CATS 11.83
Tidus 30.07
Mega 38.18
Crash 14.26
Serious Sam 13.87
Ulala 10.48
Gabe Logan 9.48
Mr. Driller 11.77
Ms. Pac Man 5.88
Claire Redfield 26.79
Pitfall Harry 12.83

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http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/zero.htm

That is one badass pic.

I'm not even a big MM fan... but I would vote for Zero with that pic.

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i dunno if anyone has mentioned this yet, but has anyone else considered the possibility that Squall dropped a bit this year rather than Kirby and Bomberman (Squall's first two opponents) gaining a similar amount of strength without either of them having a new game or any reason to gain strength? i honetly think Squall's Kingdom Hearts boost has worn off a bit and he was awarded too much SFF in the SFF adjusted standings.

here's some numbers:


in 2K3, Kirby and Bomberman were in the same 4-pack in 2k3 and Bomberman was expected to get 37.19% against Kirby. in 2K4, they were in the same 4-pack again and Bomberman was expected to get 38.78% against Kirby, which isn't too far off.

so, if you use Kirby as the character of the 4-pack who stayed the same strength and use Kirby's X-Stat value against Cloud in 2K3 (which was 25.49%) that would project Squall to get 28.04% against Cloud (instead of the 23.79% he got due to SFF or the 31.72% he was projected to get last year). that 28.04% against Cloud would give Squall a X-Stat value of 27.06% against Link this year.

that would make creativename's SFF X-Stat list look like this:

16) 29.84% Ryu
17) 28.88% Bowser
18) 27.74% Alucard
19) 27.38% Auron
20) 27.06% Squall
21) 26.97% Sora


Squall really doesn't look out of place there, especially if he did drop a bit, which he really appears to have done. since Auron appears to have received some SFF against Cloud last year, he probably is at about the same level as Squall. Bowser and Alucard's SFF rankings are also a bit of guess, so Squall might be a bit below them now, or they may be a bit higher than they should be. that only leaves Ryu who jumped ahead of Squall, and he might have also gotten a boost from the SF Collection anyways. so Squall still really doesn't look out of place, even with the suspected drop.

based on that, Kirby's X-Stat value would be lowered to 24.35% putting him here on creativename's X-Stat list:

22) 25.49% Dante
23) 25.35% Tidus
24) 25.22% Vivi
25) 25.22% Yoshi
26) 24.94% Shadow the Hedgehog
27) 24.94% Knuckles
28) 24.35% Kirby
29) 24.17% Tommy Vercetti

Kirby looks much more where he should be there than he did above Dante, Yoshi, and Knuckles - all characters he has always been below. since Kirby really hasn't done anything over the past year, i do not see any way he could have suddenly gained enough popularity to jump ahead of Knuckles, Yoshi, and Dante.

finally, using Kirby as the characterr who stayed the same (instead of Squall) drops Bomberman down to a X-Stat value of 19.08% which puts him here on creativename's list:


35) Ryu Hayabusa 20.65%
36) Jill Valentine 20.64%
37) Viewtiful Joe 19.63%
38) Scorpion 19.25%
39) Ness 19.14%
40) Duke Nukem 19.09%
41) Bomberman 19.08%
42) HK-47 18.58%


again, Bomberman looks placed much more realistically there than ahead of Ryu H., Jill (who already beat Bomberman 58% to 42% two years ago), Scorpion, and Ness (at least, Ness without the SFF he took from Bowser).

oh, and that would put Kain at 17.22% against Link for adjustment's sake.

so, yeah, i honestly believe that Squall has dropped a bit from last year rather than Kirby and Bomberman both taking big strength jumps. does anyone else agree?

in fact, Creativename and RPGuy, you both should take this adjustment into account on your X-Stat lists.

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Well, Alucard did better this year than expected and hasn't done anything notable. Guess who beat Bomberman and Kirby last year. I think it could be a combination of Kirby and Bomberman being underrated and Squall dropping.
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Kirby and Bomberman didn't jump in strength. It's just that their numbers were underrated, just like Alucard. They all overperformed about 3% in their respective matches. Sephiroth has a strange tendency to overperform and mess everything up.
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Zero is MMX's favorite character (when MM and MMX are thought of as two different characters), so of course he's going to find the best pic possible.

And after a ton of writing, I'm done my Cloud page. Check it out:

http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/cloud.htm

No matter what you guys think of him, he'll always be one of my favorites. And just a quick note. You can always tell whether or not MMX or I do a page. We sign the bottom. It's his idea, but it's a good one =)
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Is there possibly some way that Bomberman and Kirby are capable of taking away some fanbases, making them underperform against other characters? 'Cuz that'd be really really weird, but I won't rule it impossible.
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Alucard himself is something notable, my friend =)
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Ulti, that still doesn't answer the question on everyone's mind - will there be the chance for guest writeups, for characters that neither of you are too familiar with?
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

I was wondering what you guys thought on this subject. Is there any chance for a new FF7 on this site. We know FF7 is supreme here, the only thing that rivals it is Link with all his Zelda games behind him. So is there any chance for another game like this?
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I'm not taking that into account, because Kirby, Bomberman, Alucard, Gordon Freeman, and Max Payne all have 2 things in common: they were all in the same half division last year and they all overperformed this year. All of them rose in the XS, too, with the exception of Freeman, and Fisher's pathetic performance against Samus might have something to do with that. I think Squall is a strong enough character

And in my stats, Bman is behind Jill/Hayabusa, though not by much.
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Good Cloud write-up.
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Nothing lasts forever...but alot of things last for a really really long time. FF7's been immensely popular here for a really long time, so its time as #1 should be coming to an end in the near future. Until then, watch out; Cloud and gang still rule supreme and will for a while longer.
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Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I doubt FFVII's going anywhere anytime soon, at least on GameFAQs, especially with Advent Children coming and looking to be absolutely awesome.
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From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 10/8/2004 12:49:13 AM | Message Detail
Ulti, that still doesn't answer the question on everyone's mind - will there be the chance for guest writeups, for characters that neither of you are too familiar with?

I severely doubt it. It was hard enough to get two people thinking the same way when it came to proper formatting and such. Adding any more people would only cause problems. Letting one person do a guest writeup would only cause other people to want to do the same, and before you know it, we have 100 different people doing 100 different pages within a week. It would kind of kill the fun for MMX and me, you know? =(

There's that, plus the fact that it was hard as anything for MMX to ask me to help him in the first place. You have to realize that I have password access to every area of his site. You can't trust any random person with that sort of thing.
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Thanks, Leon. And despite my feelings for FF8, I'm going to do a kick-assed bio for Squall. I promise.
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Well its not just that, because the new FF7 stuff should able to keep its popularity up. Its weird. Some series explode and some just come.

Mario exploded. Final Fantasy exploded (though you could argue that FFIII/VI showed it on the rise). GTA exploded. Halo Exploded.

Zelda just came. Some may argue that it exploded at OOT, but Zelda and LTTP were popular game. It just seem to build up steam with each game.
Mega Man was the same way. And for a more modern example, Resident Evil even though its on a more sudden decline than most.

But only FFVII has exploded at this site.
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Ulti, all I ask is if Locke or Ashley Riot ever get in this contest, you got to let me have them.

I can go on like a 10-page essay on both and not get in everything.
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You better, Ulti. And it's good to get an answer to that question, because there have been a few people asking about that. (Not me - I have other work to do.)
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

Mega Man was the same way. If anything, that series has lost a ton of the steam it once had.

In Final Fantasy's defense, it was huge right out of the gate. A huge fanbase was there after Final Fantasy, and the series experienced a huge boom after the release of Final Fantasy 4. If you own the FFC strategy guide, there is a wonderful bio about FF4's history in there. Some would argue that the rise that took place after FF4 was far larger than the one that took place after FF6. We all know about Final Fantasy 7's effect, but the fact of the matter is that because of FF4/5/6, there was already a very large library of very well-done Final Fantasy titles. If anything, it can be argued that Final Fantasy 7's success came from FF7 living up to the hype moreso than how well-done the game itself was.

Zelda was the same way. You can argue that OOT was the explosion of the series, but there was already a massive fanbase in place beforehand.
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You had better, Ulti, or I'll....do nothing....You know, just moan and complain a little bit, and then get over it.
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From: DomaDragoon | Posted: 10/8/2004 12:59:03 AM | Message Detail
You better, Ulti. And it's good to get an answer to that question, because there have been a few people asking about that. (Not me - I have other work to do.)

No problem. I don't want to sound like an ass or anything, but I'd rather it stay between MMX and myself. Nothing personal or anything, but..... eh, I just hope everyone understands.
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wow i just got modded for covering up a naughty word. i've never seen unmodded ***'s before /sarcasm. anyways, i'm about 15 hours into final fantasy x for my first time ever and i think i've come to a revelation of sorts. so far final fantasy 10 is really freakin' good. i mean, sure the voice acting is pretty horrible, but it's a pretty sweet game. it has everything that you could ask for in an rpg except for maybe it's a little lacking in storyline. so then i wonder, why do i still love ff7 so much more? and then i realized what makes an rpg...the music. maybe i'm way off, but ff7 has the most memorable music out of the whole series. off the top of my head i can recall several songs from that game and i can't even remember the music for balamb garden in ff8 right now. bad music or not memorable music kills an rpg. so far though, ffx is looking to be one of my favorite rpg's of all time next to ff7 and suikoden's 1 and 2. also as a side note...

triple triad >>>> blitzball

ps - my 3 karma loss isn't that bad b/c now i get to celebrate my 600 karma day all over again! woo hoo!
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Truth be told, my FF8 review was wrote simply to make Steinershocker laugh. I dislike FF8, but not nearly that much. I've played through the game twice, and it isn't that bad. Squall's character takes a dive because of Rinoa more than anything, and I can easily see how a lot of people can relate to the way Squall is. Many of us would like to stick up for ourselves, but far too often do we let our true feelings idle inside of our own heads and simply listen to instruction dilligently. In fact, that describes most people. Had it not been for Rinoa, Squall's character could have done what we were all hoping for: to develop and mature in ways that we are simply uncapable of as real-life human beings. Instead, he goes from being introverted to simply being confused. He takes a huge step backwards, and that sucks. Not just for his character, but the people who could have really liked him otherwise.

But even if that means nothing to you, he redeems himself in Kingdom Hearts.
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Final Fantasy VII's soundtrack on the whole is average, though it does have some very awesome pieces (Weapon Raid and Aeris's Theme being among my favorites). Final Fantasy VIII's soundtrack is only rivaled by Tactics within the series.
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8's soundtrack is unique. Some tracks are jaw-dropping (Attack on Dollet, Legendary Beast), and others just suck. It's good, but nowhere near the level of FFT, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, or Chrono Trigger.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

And yes, Leon. I just made a long post saying good things about Squall. Read it and be happy.

On that note, I'm going to bed. I clearly need to.
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I don't particularly like that much of VII or VIII's soundtracks, though there are very good songs in there. Chrono Cross is my favorite PSX era soundtrack, by far.

As FFX goes, I liked it. Sure, you have to press an minimum of 11 buttons to level up, and the sphere grid is clunky, but it's a nice take on things. The story was pretty good, even if the voice acting for Yuna made me want to stab myself. The Wagon System (named for DWIV, of course) is always nice, and I used most every character when normally I pick 3 or 4 and stick with them.
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to develop and mature in ways that we are simply uncapable of as real-life human beings.

Squall still did, though it revolved around his unquenchable desire to be with Rinoa and protect her from disc 3 on. The only reason he's willing to go out into space to rescue her is because he'd rather die than live without her. Seeing her fall into a coma reminds him of how helpless he was when Ellone left his life as a child, and he absolutely refuses to let that happen again. Squall is determined to do something about it. He couldn't stand to let her become another "Ellone." At first, he mostly wanted to protect her, almost out of duty though he still wanted to be with her. And then he finally overcomes his natural instinct just to do his duty for good when he rescues Rinoa from the Sorceress Memorial because he realized that just protecting her wasn't good enough if he didn't get to be with her.

And it's quite obvious that Squall has some feelings for Rinoa before disc 3. Don't tell me he started caring for her out of nowhere. He was smitten with her from the beginning. You can tell by the way he looks at her after they dance.

Yay for late night rants.

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And it's quite obvious that Squall has some feelings for Rinoa before disc 3. Don't tell me he started caring for her out of nowhere. He was smitten with her from the beginning. You can tell by the way he looks at her after they dance.

Bullcrap.

Squall sucks.

There. That is the extent of my argument. I've used up all my thinking juices on politics today. Sorry ^_^
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No.

And no.

Yeah, that's a lot simpler way to argue.
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Leonhart, he did show some feelings for Rinoa but nothing that would result in the type of show he put on in Disk 3. They CHANGED his personality. Not evolved, not expanded, CHANGED.
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8's soundtrack is unique. Some tracks are jaw-dropping (Attack on Dollet, Legendary Beast), and others just suck. It's good, but nowhere near the level of FFT, Chrono Cross, Xenogears, or Chrono Trigger.

I really liked FFVIII's soundtrack. I thought it was one of the better ones out of all the Final Fantasy games (though I still prefer FFVII's to pretty much everything else from the series). The four-disc OST is great to listen to straight through once in a while, too.

Ah, the Xenogears soundtrack. Never have I been so divided on the issue of whether or not to purchase something. The soundtrack is great but, on the other hand, it reminds me of the game, which reminds me of the second disc of the game, which reminds me of wanting to shoot myself in the face. Id's theme (whatever it's called) is awesome. I like the Xenosaga soundtrack a bit better, but that could just be because I'm more partial to the game. And because "Albedo" is the best theme music for any character, ever. It suits him so perfectly.
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Also just imagine if Zelda XI lives up to the hype...

That might be the best thing that could happen to Nintendo since the SNES.
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Best part of FF8 was the music. The only song I hated was the weird music they always played with the sorceresses or when something dramatic was going on. "HE-HAH WHO-AH" is the only way I can describe it. Such annoyment.
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Speaking of Xenogears, think of how good that game's story would of been if they hadn't completely rushed through Disk 2. Too bad.
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Mario exploded? I mean, Mairo has been a pretty popular guys since back when he was hanging out with DK. SMB1 is still the game to have the most copies made of it, like, ever. And yeah, Zelda has always been big, since the very first game. though I have to disagree about it continuously gaining steam... WW hurt it in the eyes of the general public (one of the least selling Zelda games), and even in the XSt it looks like the game could somehow be a detractor for Link.
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CM, yeah Mario exploded. SMB exploded. It was a national wonder. Seriously, it was so big that the first true sequel got a MOVIE TO HYPE IT!
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I Enjoyed 7's sdtk more than 8's by a fair bit, just for a few shining examples. As a whole, 8's is probably better. I'd take 4-6 and Tactics over either of them any day of the week. And yeah, Chrono Cross has one of the best Sdtks ever. I also love SoM. Again, that's probably a matter of shining examples more than consistantly good work. LoM also grea. Yes, Square makes a fairly good amount of tolerable music.

Really, I wish we could have a music tournament here on GameFAQs. That'd rock so much. I miss doing the music tournament... if my schedual wasn't so insanely inconsistant I would probably run another one.
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"Seriously, it was so big that the first true sequel got a MOVIE TO HYPE IT!"

You mean the first true sequel to come to America. And really, the Super Mario Bros. series was big from the first game, if you don't count Mario Bros (which I don't, as it's an entirely different sort of game). Zelda was also big from the start. Mega Man was, too. Mega Man 2 and 3 were much bigger, but the first was still a pretty big deal. A real classic.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Zelda is different. Mario has basically held the same level of fanbase through the N64 days then a decline. There was go incline. Just a burst then hold.

Zelda was popular but not THAT popular. LTTP was more popular. OOT was more popular. WW was a set back, but Zelda XI could help push the series back to OOT levels.
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I miss doing the music tournament... if my schedual wasn't so insanely inconsistant I would probably run another one.

Why not ask someone else to do it? I can't, but I'm sure that there's someone out there you trust that would do a good job.
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

"Zelda was popular but not THAT popular. LTTP was more popular."

You're telling me that LttP was more popular when the original doubled it up in sales and had a cartoon, cereal, tec based off it? Are you joking or stoned?
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Wow you serious. Well then I take back what I said. I for some reason was under the impression LTTP outsold the original Zelda.

Carry on then.
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Nope, only OoT has outsold the original, and at that it is only by one million units. Heck, even if you take into account the rerelease of LttP on gameboy AND don't count any re-releases of the original I don't think it's passed up the original yet. Really, the series has always been big. As I said, OoT only outsold the original by about a million units, that's nearly a decade later when gaming was much, much larger industry.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

So the original sold around 2.5 million. Thus Wind Waker outsold LTTP??? Wow. Never would of thought that.
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Of course Resident Evil outsold RE 2 which totally blows my mind considering RE 2 is considered the high mark of the series popularity.
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"So the original sold around 2.5 million."

No, I'm talking world-wide sales, whihc puts the original at what, 6.8 mil or so. LttP outsold WW quite well. In fact, I think Link's Awakening is probably the only Zelda game other than the three abominations that WW can really look down upon in any sort of way.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Anyway, if Zelda XI doesnt sell at least 4 million Worldwide, I will be shocked. SHOCKED.
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If it doesn't sell 4 million units world wide I'll be saying goodbye to a logn time favorite series of mine. WW is nearly at 4 million units, and in fact if I'm not making a mistake here, Majora's Mask is nearly at 4 mil too. Both Oracle games are nearly 4 million individually. IIRC Zelda 2 was well up there too. If the game doesn't break 4 million the world will likely cease to exist.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Really, I wish we could have a music tournament here on GameFAQs. That'd rock so much.

That's a really great idea, I could probably see it not having the vote totals, but still, it would be new, interesting, and pretty unpredicable.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Anyway, if Zelda XI doesnt sell at least 4 million Worldwide, I will be shocked. SHOCKED.
Let's see how Zelda X does first.
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Zelda XI is going to be the next OoT, but bigger
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Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

I thought the next one would be Zelda X?
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Minish Cap is Zelda X.

Ulti/MMX, you should use the world map theme for Cloud's page. For Aeris's, you better use the orchestrated version. Also, Ganondorf's theme isn't working for me. Would it be possible to put an mp3 on there instead of a WMA or whatever that was?
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Zelda X was Four Swords Adventure. Zelda XI is The Minish Cap. The big GameCube one is Zelda XII.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Doesn't numerology NOT include spinoffs and remakes though?

Whatever, why do we even bother, numerology was dropped in the Zelda series in the early 90s anyway.
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Yeah, this argument, albeit tiny, really makes me just wanna call it Zelda GC 2.
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Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Yeah, this argument, albeit tiny, really makes me just wanna call it Zelda GC 2.

That reminds me of the kid at school who believed that Majora's Mask was the second game in the series and that OoT was the first Zelda game. Nothing could convince him... @_@

I know that isn't what you are saying, but just seeing that reminds me of it.

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A good slap to the face with a golden NES cartridge shoulda done the trick, heh.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

A good slap to the face with a golden NES cartridge shoulda done the trick, heh.

I wish I had one, actually. =(


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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*Drools on Golden NES Zelda Cartridge*

*Drools on Suikoden 2 Disc*

*Drools on Panzer Dragoon Saga*

Just kidding on the last one... though I have had dreams of finding that game at garage sales on numerous occasions... same goes for MMX3. Do I need to seek professional help?
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

*Drools on Panzer Dragoon Saga*

Just kidding on the last one...

And here I was considering trying to find out where you live. <3
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Why the hell is that game so rare anyways? I guess a more wholistic question is why the hell don't these companies make enough copies of the games? I mean you look at something like Chrono Trigger or Suikoden II, which has genuine demand that far exceeds supply, and it costs them what? maybe 10 bucks in variable costs? The majority of their costs comes from R&D, so some memory chips with a plastic encasing and a dust cover and a burned cd with a plastic jewel case really does not break the Konami or Square bank. I don't know about the demand for DPS, but I saw Chichiri talking about the game and its rarity a few topics back, and decided to look into it on eBay, and dear lord, did whatever company make that game make a mistake not producing more copies.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

For PDS, I believe that there are anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 copies in the U.S. - I've seen figures in that range.

And considering that it is supposed to be an amazing game and it is very rare, that drives the price way up.

Which is why I want to stab Sega for not remaking it.

T_T
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If they did, what system would they throw it on? Would Sega pimp it out to the highest bidder, or would they go Sonic with it and just multi-console it?

I also just noticed CJayC wrote a review on it. No wonder it made it into the Spring Contest. If there are only 5k-15k copies in the US of the game, with no remakes, there is not a chance in hell it would have garned enough nominations to oust games like Chrono Cross. Unless, of course, The Ceejus wrote a review on it.

Which is again the main reason why I believe we saw the Prince Ryu picture. You would think his bracket would make the top 50 given all of the specific knowledge he has that probably only a few select moderators are also given before brackets close down.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

I also just noticed CJayC wrote a review on it. No wonder it made it into the Spring Contest. If there are only 5k-15k copies in the US of the game, with no remakes, there is not a chance in hell it would have garned enough nominations to oust games like Chrono Cross. Unless, of course, The Ceejus wrote a review on it.

Wrote a review for it? He wrote a walkthrough/guide for it. =P

And it could get in - I know of a few PDS forums that have a couple hundred members. They could certainly get GameFAQs accounts to nominate it and I doubt it took that many nominations to get in...

And the game has gone around on Ebay a lot, so I bet more than the original 5 - 15K people have played it.

It could've gotten in legitimately, I think.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

wrote a walkthrough for it...

Oops. That is what I meant. Too early in the morning to function coherently.

Just picked up Dekar in Lufia II. At the rate I am going, should have it beaten by Sunday if all goes according to plan. That plan of course being not doing any homework or going out. Doesn't exactly sound like Alucard's, but it will suit me just fine.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

How many copies of Chrono Trigger was released?
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

How many copies of Chrono Trigger were released?

Not Enough.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

If I totally remember correctly, they really overpriced CT, which led to it not selling great, which probably is the reason why there isn't many copies of it around.

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They overpriced every SNES game, really. But fr those willing to wait the prices ALWAYS went down. It was pretty much like it is now, just with higher starting and ending points.

Checking the reviews on PDS I find it funny that the person that gave it the lowest score (a two) gave Chrono Trigger a three.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

RPGuy, two things.

Whats your AIM?

And deleted that post before it gets modded.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

RPGuy... INFO. NOW.

tnote829@yahoo.com.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Same screen name as this one for AIM.
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Red Star, Fall! Stain the earth red! Darkness falls, to usher in the end. Neverending fear will overcome this land. Destruction draws near, all by Lavos' hand!

How many copies of Chrono Trigger was released?

A lot more on PSX than on SNES.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Completely forgot that it got remade. I knew that. Damn...heh, my bad.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Yeah, PDS got basically one of the smallest releases ever seen in the US. Low numbers happen like than on occasion in Japan... but usually they wont bother here with such a small release (though they do it pretty grudgingly in Japan).

Just reminds me of how little Konami's music games are selling in Japan. Keyboard Mania 2/3 sold less copies than the US release of PDS (Which is typically estimated at around 6,000). Oh well, I'm sure you guys aren't concerned about how Beatmania IIDX 7th style looked like it'd never come out and how the Konami rep at TGS basically said they won't be making another DDR for the arcades (bastard). Imma get ready for work...
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Poll 1622:

Goldeneye 80.81% 61079
Panzer Dragoon Saga 19.19% 14504

5,000 - 15,000? Hmmm...
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Pwned by nifboy on the SC2K4 Guru Contest!

also keep in mind joke votes, anti-votes...
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

JOke votes and anti-votes are extremely minimal. Many of those votes are from people who have heard that it's one of the best RPGs even and voted "on principle". Hell, I have no doubt people nominated it under the same reasoning.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Oh, and also, it seems that more copies of PDS were realeased in Europe than the US. Go figure. Either way, there's also JP copies and the fact that the game is constantly resold on Ebay. I don't actually find it impossible or even unlikely that the game has had that many people play it.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I voted for Suikoden II over Final Fantasy VII on principle. Then I went out and actually bought the game because of all the board hype. One of the smartest things I have ever done; right up there with not riding my bike into the parked car my best friend did when we were 7.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

I've voted on principle before. I never played the first Shining Force, only the second, and based on my experience with the second I voted for the first.

I nominated on princible a few times too. None of those got in, though. Heh.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I believed that CT sold ~700,000 copies in North America, compared to ~250,000 copies for FFC. I'm at uni right now, so I don't have the documents on me, but I can confirm when I get home.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Damn, I can't type to save my life sometimes. I managed to get principle correct twice, then screw it up the third time? It's like I should be using the spell checker or something.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Just wondering are you still going ahead with submitting brackets to Cjay?

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^ Smurf The victim of the vicious nifboy
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

The jury is still out on whether or not he will let us, in some way, help construct a future tournament bracket.

And the spellchecker is just there for show, no other reason. If anyone actually cares enough to see if they made a typo, they are in far worse condition than the majority of us, who merely spend lots of time on a video game message board.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Yeah, we have to wait to see what Ceej says. It's not going to stop us from speculating and making brackets anyway, though.

And the spellchecker is just there for show, no other reason. If anyone actually cares enough to see if they made a typo, they are in far worse condition than the majority of us, who merely spend lots of time on a video game message board.

As an English student, I feel obligated to throttle you, sir.
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

Hopefully not...

It would destroy the contest with biased users creating the bracket

Magus and Zero as 3rd seeds
Newcomers including Dr.Wily and other obsceure characters
Facing Mario and Sonic off in the sweet 16? One massive fanbase will lose intrest too early.

Why wont anybody let Shadow into the sweet 16? Why does he have to have a difficult round 1 match?


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^ Smurf The victim of the vicious nifboy
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

Because Shadow overperformed against Mario.
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Pwned by nifboy on the SC2K4 Guru Contest!

For an english student there is an aweful lot of passive voice in those there sentences bro =)
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Well, I never said I was a good student of English.
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Season 12 has come to a close, and Team Myria faces off against Team Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.