The other topic is filling up at a record pace for whatever reason. It's been up for 3.5 hours and already has 300 posts. I'll die if we have this pace during the offseason =)

*Stats websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

*Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

*Miscellaneous*

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=3

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I hope not... I can't keep pace with everything!
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Ulti, is your name Chad?

No.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I'll add to the length of the first page with the unofficial SFF adjusted 2k4 XS:

Name XS on Link
1 Link 50
2 Cloud Strife 48.03
3 Sephiroth 42.27
4 Samus Aran 39.37
5 Crono 37.18
6 Mario 34.77
7 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.46
8 Mega Man 32.39
9 Magus 31.81
10 Ganondorf 31.62
11 Zero 30.31
12 Ryu 29.75
13 Squall Leonhart 28.89
14 Auron 28.22
15 Bowser 28.21
16 Solid Snake 27.73
17 Alucard 27.09
18 Frog 26.96
19 Master Chief 26.96
20 Liquid Snake 26.93
21 Sora 26.89
22 Vivi 26.50
23 Kirby 25.99
24 Dante 25.41
25 Yoshi 24.63
26 Tommy Vercetti 23.13
27 Donkey Kong 23.07
28 Tidus 22.82
29 KOS-MOS 22.54
30 Shadow 22.45
31 Knuckles 22.44
32 Luigi 22.42
33 Protoman 21.69
34 Tails 21.65
35 Ryu Hayabusa 20.59
36 Jill Valentine 20.58
37 Bomberman 20.37
38 Scorpion 19.84
39 Ness 19.73
40 Viewtiful Joe 19.57
41 Kefka 19.09
42 Duke Nukem 19.03
43 HK-47 18.53
44 Kain 18.38
45 Vyse 17.86
46 Jak 17.73
47 Max Payne 17.6
48 Conker 16.37
49 Crash Bandicoot 15.79
50 Sam Fisher 14.99
51 Pac Man 14.47
52 Laharl 14.2
53 Lara Croft 13.87
54 Gordon Freeman 13.36
55 Terry Bogard 12.82
56 CATS 12.71
57 Luca Blight 12.06
58 Ryo Hazuki 11.63
59 Sly Cooper 11.52
60 JC Denton 11.45
61 Earthworm Jim 11.03
62 Ratchet 10.02
63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.6
64 Tanner 3.16

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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Sorry it was just a little joke that only a few would get.

It has to do with Warp Pipe and writing backwards. If you followed the DS closely enough, you would understand.

Ulti, is your name Chad?

That is what you should expect in the Offseason, Ulti.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 141 of 144
Today: Cloud Strife. Tomorrow: Cloud Strife.

I would wait until the final percentages are up before making the Xsts, myself.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Does anyone really think Tidus would really get 23% on Link? Seriously...
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

It's only going to shift by .1% or so. And all I have to do is plug the new number into Excel, and it'll do the rest of the work for me. And I wanted to get them on the first page.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Does anyone really think Tidus would really get 23% on Link? Seriously...

Yes, I could see him getting about 26-28% myself.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 141 of 144
Today: Cloud Strife. Tomorrow: Cloud Strife.

Tonberry, it was a....


Just forget it...

Tonberry, it was a....


Just forget it...

I know. So was mine.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 141 of 144
Today: Cloud Strife. Tomorrow: Cloud Strife.

That 2nd really was suppose to be an only. My utter disgust comes in that I think he would break 25% without a problem, and approach 30%.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

.....joke? =)

And call me crazy, but those SFF adjusted stats don't look right at all.

9 Magus 31.81
10 Ganondorf 31.62
11 Zero 30.31
12 Ryu 29.75
13 Squall Leonhart 28.89
14 Auron 28.22
15 Bowser 28.21
16 Solid Snake 27.73

I'd love to see someone explain to me how Snake could have possibly dropped eight spots. No way in hell would some of those characters beat him.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Snake is not adjusted at all. He took an nosedive, pure and simple You could argue that I adjusted Magus, Gdorf, Squall, Auron, and Bowser too much, but for the most part they're right around where they were last year relative to the characters around them. The XS just look wierd this year, considering how indoctrinated we are with 2k3's XS.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

In fact, Snake has already beaten Ryu and Squall with ease in the past. I doubt Bowser or Auron would do any better, and I highly doubt that Tidus is as low as he is. Is there a 20XX Factor at work here in conjunction with a Chaos Factor? In fact, we should call the entire statistical anomaly that is an entire division doing better or worse than expected the Chaos Factor. I'm patenting the phrase now, and I want a quarter every time one of you guys uses it =)

But seriously, these stats will give us more than enough to disucss in the coming months, especially when we get around to our mock brackets. The only characters that have placed between 7th and 9th that I could see beating Snake are Mega Man, Magus, Ganondorf, and Zero. Snake can, and probably would, beat the rest. Including Sonic.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Oh no, I'm not knocking your stats at all. I'm just in shock at what they have yielded moreso than the method used. Are you sure that Snake's nosedive isn't the doing of Mega Man getting killed by Link?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

16 Solid Snake 27.73
17 Alucard 27.09
18 Frog 26.96
19 Master Chief 26.96
20 Liquid Snake 26.93
21 Sora 26.89
22 Vivi 26.50

There's the argument against 20XXDF right there. Those three are pretty damn high, and it's hard to imagine them being much higher.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Are you sure that Snake's nosedive isn't the doing of Mega Man getting killed by Link?

Oh, absolutely, and I'd be the first to propose that Mega Man underperformed there if it wasn't for the MC/Frog/LS trio.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

My argument for the Chaos Factor in 20XX is that it isn't hard at all for me to imagine the F/L/MC trio as being on Ryu's level.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Yay! Sora beats Vivi!
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Summer Contest Current Score:155/160

I think two of those three could beat Ryu (strangely enough, despite all the support I give him and ranking higher than Liquid Snake, MC's the one I don't have so much confident in). Wait 'til Halo 2 though.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

RPGuy96's SFF Adjusted Summer 2004 Rankings!

Name XS on Link
1 Link 50.00
2 Cloud Strife 48.18
3 Sephiroth 42.40
4 Samus Aran 39.50
5 Crono 37.18
6 Mega Man 35.15
7 Mario 34.77
8 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.57
9 Magus 31.81
10 Ganondorf 31.62
11 Zero 30.31
12 Solid Snake 30.10
13 Ryu 29.85
14 Frog 29.26
15 Master Chief 29.26
16 Liquid Snake 29.23
17 Squall Leonhart 28.89
18 Auron 28.22
19 Bowser 28.21
20 Alucard 27.09
21 Sora 26.98
22 Vivi 26.50
23 Kirby 25.99
24 Dante 25.49
25 Tidus 24.76
26 Yoshi 24.63
27 Shadow 24.36
28 Knuckles 24.35
29 Tommy Vercetti 23.13
30 Donkey Kong 23.07
31 KOS-MOS 22.61
32 Luigi 22.42
33 Tails 21.72
34 Protoman 21.69
35 Kefka 20.72
36 Ryu Hayabusa 20.65
37 Jill Valentine 20.65
38 Bomberman 20.37
39 Scorpion 19.84
40 Ness 19.73
41 Viewtiful Joe 19.63
42 Duke Nukem 19.09
43 HK-47 18.59
44 Kain 18.38
45 Vyse 17.91
46 Jak 17.73
47 Max Payne 17.60
48 Crash Bandicoot 17.13
49 Conker 16.37
50 Sam Fisher 15.03
51 Pac Man 14.47
52 Laharl 14.25
53 Lara Croft 13.91
54 Gordon Freeman 13.40
55 Terry Bogard 12.86
56 CATS 12.71
57 Luca Blight 12.06
58 Earthworm Jim 11.97
59 Ryo Hazuki 11.63
60 Sly Cooper 11.56
61 JC Denton 11.45
62 Ratchet 10.05
63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.60
64 Tanner 3.43

Matches Adjusted:
Link/Mega Man (20XXDF)
Link/Yoshi
Mega Man/Zero
Cloud/Squall
Sephiroth/Auron
Link/Ganondorf
Crono/Magus
Sephiroth/Vivi
Zero/Protoman
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

I'll tag this for later.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

29 Tommy Vercetti 23.13
30 Donkey Kong 23.07

And they get even closer this year!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Kirby, Shadow and Yoshi on the SFF-adjusted are all right next to each other practically...cool.

I still don't want to talk abotu Ganondorf though -_-;;
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
12. Moltar would have made the leaderboard if he didn’t have Cloud winning.

1 Link 50.00
2 Cloud Strife 48.18
3 Sephiroth 42.40
4 Samus Aran 39.50
5 Crono 37.18
6 Mega Man 35.15
7 Mario 34.77
8 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.57
9 Magus 31.81
10 Ganondorf 31.62

Looks good.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Heh, Link would beat up Sephiroth worse than he did in 2002.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Poor Sephy.

It kind of looks like 2002, except that you could say there are 2 "Links" in this one, in that you have two very strong characters with a relatively small gap between them, and then a large drop.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

=( @ Sephy.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Guess what? Its back. My Sc2k5 bracket can be seen here. Still looking for feedback.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16690095
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Hah. It's always great to see that Link could thrash Sephiroth. =)

8 Magus 34.05%*
9 Sonic 33.57%
10 Zero 32.90%*
11 Ganondorf 32.77%*

Magus and Ganondorf really shouldn't be that far apart.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Seph does not get any SFF adjustment right now. He could very well be stronger, but I really don't know how to measure him. If he's significantly stronger, he underperformed in Seph/Vivi and Seph/Auron way too much. I'll take a look at that a little later....right now I'm comparing everyone to 2k3 Link.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Where did that come from, HM?
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

MasterMage posted it in the last topic, right before it closed.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Should I set up Magus/Sonic in the Sweet 16 for my bracket? I'd have to move Tidus up to a 4 or 5 seed if I did though...
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Yeah, and 37.4% on an improved Link sounds off. 35% sounds OK.

I personally give RPGuy's version my stamp of approval.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

RPGuy's standings have looked the best to me.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Thanks, Slow.

And there's a very minor change in my stats posted here...I adjusted for Yoshi/Luigi SFF par Ulti's suggestion. There's not much there, but it helps to be thorough. The new sections look like this:

29 Tommy Vercetti 23.13
30 Donkey Kong 23.07
31 Luigi 22.98
32 KOS-MOS 22.61
33 Tails 21.72

And

49 Conker 16.37
50 Sam Fisher 15.03
51 Pac Man 14.83
52 Laharl 14.25
53 Lara Croft 13.91

Again, nothing major there, as there was very little SFF.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

RPGuy's pic looks the best to me.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

*waves "Go RPGuy" flag*
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Anyone have the url to know what our final score is?
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

I'll post the optimum bracket here again, just so I can examine it later, and you guys can have another look.

Hyrule Division:

1- Link
16- Tanner

8- Viewtiful Joe
9- Scorpion

5- Dante
12- Kain

4- Liquid Snake
13- Laharl

6- KOS-MOS
11- Bomberman

3- Auron
14- CATS

7- Donkey Kong
10- Jak

2- Mega Man
15- Earthworm Jim

Zebes Division:

1- Samus Aran
16- Ryo Hazuki

8- Jill Valentine
9- Kefka

5- Tidus
12- Protoman

4- Sora
13- Terry Bogard

6- Knuckles
11- Luigi

3- Ryu
14- JC Denton

7- Ryu Hayabusa
10- HK-47

2- Crono
15- Ratchet

Midgar Division:

1- Cloud Strife
16- Guybrush Threepwood

8- Bowser
9- Ness

5- Vivi
12- Sam Fisher

4- Master Chief
13- Lara Croft

6- Magus
11- Conker

3- Solid Snake
14- Ganondorf

7- Tommy Vercetti
10- Vyse

2- Sonic the Hedgehog
15- Pac-Man

Meteor Division:

1- Sephiroth
16- Luca Blight

8- Kirby
9- Duke Nukem

5- Squall Leonheart
12- Crash Bandicoot

4- Frog
13- Gordon Freeman

6- Shadow
11- Max Payne

3- Zero
14- Sly Cooper

7- Tails
10- Yoshi

2- Mario
15- Alucard
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Usually we don't bother adjusting for half-points, but meh...
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Alucard at 17 makes me very happy inside.
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Schucks. I'm backing out of an account bet like a cow.

If I were here on Sunday I could've made that bracket that Phediuk made and got credit...
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

*sigh*

I have a possible couple of matches set up for Magus in my mock bracket.

Set 1 is in there right now
3) Magus vs 6) Bowser followed by
3) Magus vs. 2) Seph or Cloud (still deciding).

OR

Set 2
6) Magus vs. 3) Sonic
Followed by
6) Magus (if he wins) vs. 2) Mario
Followed by
6) Magus (if he wins) vs. 1) Mega Man
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Set 2's the most interesting match-wise, except it means grossly underseeding Magus. Again.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

What Slow said
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

This division would be a monster:

(1)Mario
(2)Sonic
(3)Snake
(4)Zero
(5)Bowser
(6)Magus

Magus would have to go through Snake, Sonic, and Mario =)
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

And chances are Snake would beat him, but if he doesn't, then Sonic would take him. If for some reason Magus beats the hedgehog, Mario has him easily.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

I'd personally set (3) Magus up against (6) Ryu in the second round to kill off a few brackets, (2) Snake in the third round, then Link/Cloud/Sephiroth/Samus after that. You'd need a hella weak division for Magus to be able to contend for a Final Four spot.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Magus would have to go through Snake, Sonic, and Mario =)

Hey, at least he makes the Elite 8. ;)
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

I'm also hoping that we don't have to see Clink next year. A fading hope I know, but hey, it can't hurt.

Sephiroth/Samus in the finals, here we come! =)
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

One more version of the XS, this time based on Link 2k3 = 50%. Should make for easy comparisons with the 2k3 and 2k2 stats.

Place Name 2k3 Link = 50%
1 Link 54.46
2 Cloud Strife 52.74
3 Sephiroth 46.56
4 Samus Aran 42.36
5 Crono 40.83
6 Mega Man 38.6
7 Mario 38.18
8 Sonic the Hedgehog 36.86
9 Magus 34.93
10 Ganondorf 34.72
11 Zero 33.28
12 Solid Snake 33.05
13 Ryu 32.77
14 Frog 32.13
15 Master Chief 32.13
16 Liquid Snake 32.1
17 Squall Leonhart 31.72
18 Auron 30.99
19 Bowser 30.97
20 Alucard 29.75
21 Sora 29.62
22 Vivi 29.1
23 Kirby 28.54
24 Dante 27.99
25 Tidus 27.19
26 Yoshi 27.05
27 Shadow 26.75
28 Knuckles 26.74
29 Tommy Vercetti 25.4
30 Donkey Kong 25.34
31 Luigi 25.24
32 KOS-MOS 24.82
33 Tails 23.85
34 Protoman 23.81
35 Kefka 22.75
36 Ryu Hayabusa 22.68
37 Jill Valentine 22.67
38 Bomberman 22.36
39 Scorpion 21.78
40 Ness 21.67
41 Viewtiful Joe 21.56
42 Duke Nukem 20.96
43 HK-47 20.41
44 Kain 20.18
45 Vyse 19.67
46 Jak 19.47
47 Max Payne 19.32
48 Crash Bandicoot 18.81
49 Conker 17.97
50 Sam Fisher 16.51
51 Pac Man 16.29
52 Laharl 15.65
53 Lara Croft 15.28
54 Gordon Freeman 14.71
55 Terry Bogard 14.12
56 CATS 13.36
57 Luca Blight 13.24
58 Earthworm Jim 13.14
59 Ryo Hazuki 12.77
60 Sly Cooper 12.69
61 JC Denton 12.57
62 Ratchet 11.04
63 Guybrush Threepwood 10.54
64 Tanner 3.77

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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

2- Mario
15- Alucard

Alucard isn't fodder. Gannodorf, Magus, and Bowser are also underseeded.

Or is this supposed to be based on how they actually did in the contest?
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Something has to fill this spot.

Or is this supposed to be based on how they actually did in the contest?

Bingo. Although SFF should've been adjusted...
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Or is this supposed to be based on how they actually did in the contest?

Non-adjusted obviously, but yes.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

Ok, that makes sense then. I wouldn't expect Alucard to get the same seed as Tanner in a normal bracket.
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Something has to fill this spot.

rpguy's "x-stats" look the best to me too...but i have to wonder if we aren't just tweaking the rankings until they look good.
doesn't seem to be much point to them, if that's what's going on...

This division would be a monster:

(1)Mario
(2)Sonic
(3)Snake
(4)Zero
(5)Bowser
(6)Magus

that division is brilliant.
i might replace bowser, since he probably couldn't beat zero...and if he did, we'd have another sff rematch...but everything else would be great.

...kind of unfair to the other divisions, though.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

My bracket is just TOTALLY being revamped.

Who would be a good 2nd round match (4 or 5 seed) for Squall?
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Who would be a good 2nd round match (4 or 5 seed) for Squall?

...aeris?
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

Bowser vs. Squall = bracket buster
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Bowser?

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Something has to fill this spot.

You could easily replace Zero with Squall in the bracket I just made if too easy a 4-5 match is a concern. Squall vs Bowser has proven to be tough, as they have been even in the stats two years in a row.

The other divisions shouldn't suffer all that much either, especially if Clink is removed. We must see Samus/Sephiroth next year.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Ryu vs Zero would be another good 4-5 type of match.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Ok, moved Squall into the spot with Zero.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

The other divisions shouldn't suffer all that much either, especially if Clink is removed. We must see Samus/Sephiroth next year.

You could certainly see Samus/Sephiroth next year without removing Cloud or Link. Either way, that match next year would be a great rematch.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

One last thing: character comparisons using 2k3 Link = 50%. The 0 ones are the ones I adjusted due to SFF.

Sora 7.74
Kefka 6.67
Ness 6.23
Master Chief 5.98
Link 4.46
Samus Aran 4.42
Tails 3.44
Bomberman 2.77
Crono 2.69
Duke Nukem 2.50
Auron 2.26
Kirby 2.2
Alucard 2.19
Max Payne 2.09
Ryu 2.08
Sonic the Hedgehog 1.94
KOS-MOS 1.86
Crash Bandicoot 1.35
Cloud Strife 1.07
Vyse 0.62
Pac Man 0.51
Knuckles 0.27
Ryo Hazuki 0.15
Mega Man 0
Squall Leonhart 0
Zero 0
Mario 0
Yoshi 0
Bowser 0
Magus 0
Luigi 0
Ganondorf 0
Donkey Kong 0
CATS -0.16
Conker -0.17
Tommy Vercetti -0.18
Dante -0.24
Gordon Freeman -1.15
Ratchet -1.81
Jill Valentine -2.71
Solid Snake -2.85
Scorpion -2.96
Sephiroth -3.15
Sam Fisher -7.06
Tidus -7.06
Shadow -7.53
Lara Croft -7.57

My head is going to explode. And redline, I have a very specific method for obtaining these stats. I'm not fudging them until they look right. Read about it here:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16685183
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

One way or the other, setting up Sephiroth/Samus means Crono would be primed for a 1-seed. Funny.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

1-Solid Snake
2-Sonic
3-Master Chief
4-Zero
5-Tidus
6-Magus
14-Kerrigan

I've got that in one division on my mock-bracket...tell me that wouldn't be a bracket buster for next year. Note: I don't really think Kerrigan would stand a chance, but people would bite.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I'm just sick of Cloud and Link in the contest, myself.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

I'd hate to remove the two most popular characters in this contest. Just by sticking them into the same division you leave four divisions that are completely unpredictable on who gets to the final four, or just not as easy as prior years.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Sephiroth, Samus, Mega Man, and Mario would be solid 1 seeds in a Clink-less bracket, but if we went with my above division, Sephiroth would have to be the other 1 seed in Mario's division if you're rooting for rigging a Samus/Sephiroth final.

Of course, a potential Mega Man upset over Samus could really **** this up.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Samus vs. Sephiroth I would like to see. Both have proven to be 1-seed material, so if they were put in the same division, which one would would be 2-seed? Seph might still be the favourite, but it would a good match.
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Something has to fill this spot.

Finished with my bracket.

HOWEVER. There is an outside chance, assuming Mario beats Sonic/Solid/Magus, that he COULD face Crono in the final four, assuming Crono beats Zero/Mega Man.

Without any further ado, my revised bracket. I realized I had left Dante out, and now have lost Aeris's spot in my bracket. I need suggestions how to get her in.

Divison 1

1)Link
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Ryu (SF)
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Auron
13) Ridley

6) Alucard
11) Ryu Hayabusa

3) Frog
14) Dr. Wily

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Cloud
15) Toad

Division 2

1)Sephiroth
16) Laharl

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Dante
13) KOS-MOS

5) Zelda
12) Ken Masters

6) Kirby
11) Liquid Snake

3) Master Chief
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

2)Samus
15)Vyse

Division 3

1)Mario
16) Pac-Man

8) Yoshi
9) Knuckles

4) Squall
13) MewTwo

5) Bowser
12) Carl Johnson

6) Magus
11) Raiden

3) Solid Snake
14) Bass

7) Luigi
10) Kefka

2)Sonic the Hedgehog
15)Duke Nukem

Division 4

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno

5) Ganondorf
12) Ryu Hayabusa

4) Sora
13) Jill Valentine

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Zero
14)Jak

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Crono
15) Falco Lombardi

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I'd give Crono a 1-seed before Mario or Megaman, honestly.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

I doubt Mega Man could beat Samus after Metroid Prime 2: Echoes and Metroid Prime Hunters: First Hunt. She's already ranked ahead of him by a considerable margin.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

I'll switch Mega Man/Crono's seeds, but that Mario division is purposely set up that way.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

In light of the new standings, this is how I would construct the top seeds:

(1) Link
(2) Cloud

(1) Sephiroth
(2) Samus

(1) Mario
(2) Sonic
(3) Magus
(6) Master Chief

(1) Mega Man
(2) Crono
(3) Snake
(4) Ganondorf
(5) Ryu
(6) Zero
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Love that seeding, RPGuy.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Sephiroth, Samus, Mega Man, and Mario would be solid 1 seeds in a Clink-less bracket, but if we went with my above division, Sephiroth would have to be the other 1 seed in Mario's division if you're rooting for rigging a Samus/Sephiroth final.

Of course, a potential Mega Man upset over Samus could really **** this up.

mario would be a concern, since he could beat samus through sff but wouldn't have a leg to stand on against sephiroth.
but if mega man can upset samus next year...he can probably compete with sephiroth too.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

I'll throw in (11) Kerrigan as MC's opponent to make Harrich happy. ;)
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Ah boy!!! *thumbs up* Heh.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I'll throw in (11) Kerrigan as MC's opponent to make Harrich happy. ;)

He's not the only one who's happy about this ;)
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

He's not the only one who's happy about this ;)

agreed.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

He suggested it, though.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Poor Kerrigan. ;.;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I can see Kerrigan gettin' a 11-seed next year, but I have a hard time seeing MC get a 6-seed, especially after two 3-seedings before Halo 2 has come out. However, if that's what it takes for him to face Kerrigan THEN Magus, and with any luck Sonic after that...by golly, do it.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I could flip the seeds, and underseed Magus, but that would be mean to the casuals. So, why not? I don't mind underseeding Magus again, as long as he has a path to Sonic.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

(3) Magus
(6) Master Chief

That would be awesome.
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

well I guess it's time for me to get on my SFF-adjusted stats
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

3. master chief
6. magus
14. kerrigan

definitely looks better than

3. magus
6. master chief
11. kerrigan

after magus's blowout loss, he seems more like a 6 than a 3...even if i know he usually performs like a 3.
whereas master chief almost lived up to his seeding this year.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

If this does pan out (which we all know it won't)

Aren't you the same guy that was *****ing and moaning about my bringing up the idea in the first place due to a petition of yours that I ever saw? Funny how someone would turn against one of their own ideas just for a chance to troll me, isn't it? =)

He's not turning against it, or flaming you, he's questioning the chances it has for it.

And I don't think we can not have Link/Cloud, the vote totals could just....die without them. I know we may not have a different champion, but by removing them, that's almost saying, well, it is saying, that we dont' think anyone can beat them. and while that's been true so far, Samus did move up a lot, and that's before her next game. I agree with heroic mario in saying that we really don't need to remove them to have an interesting bracket.

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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Ulti-

Do you seriously think there is a chance CJayC is going to let a group of users create his beloved Summer Contest? Personally, to steal a paraphrased quote from The Jesus himself, he will let us create the bracket right about the same time the devil starts lacing up a pair of ice skates.

That being said, there are few who would enjoy more than myself the opportunity to have a hand in creating the contest bracket. I created the petition because I felt like it was something to see how much support there was for it. We all know this will never really happen; it is just a pipe dream. And honestly, you know I only posting that ranting message because I needed some vindication after the ranting message you gave me.

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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

THERE! The bracket with snubs Dante and Zelda in is up.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16691371
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

fastfalcon-

WATFO? I mean, I get home from work, see I missed 100 messages, including that one, go to respond, and to see, the same 100 posts later, that you beat me to it by a minute and a half?

Your name is very becoming of you.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Perhaps have Magus/MC as a 4/5-seed match and make Kerrigan either a 12/13-seed, to do them both equal injustice? Anyways, I got bored, so I decided to do a bracket where characters are properly seeded...by CJay's ranking system:

#1
1-Link VS 16-Guybrush Threepwood
8-Ryu Hayabusa VS 9-Shadow
5-Master Chief VS 12-Bomberman
4-Sora VS 13-Pac-Man
6-Bowser VS 11-Jak
3-Mario VS 14-Duke Nukem
7-Tommy Vercetti VS 10-Viewtiful Joe
2-Sephiroth VS 15-Ratchet

#2
1-Mega Man VS 16-Tanner
8-Sam Fisher VS 9-Donkey Kong
5-Luigi VS 12-Laharl
4-Yoshi VS 13-Ryo Hazuki
6-Tidus VS 11-Max Payne
3-Dante VS 14-Lara Croft
7-Ness VS 10-Gordon Freeman
2-Sonic VS 15-JC Denton

#3
1-Samus VS 16-CATS
8-Vyse VS 9-Alucard
5-Ryu VS 12-HK-47
4-Squall VS 13-Crash Bandicoot
6-Knuckles VS 11-Scorpion
3-Auron VS 14-Terry Bogard
7-Vivi VS 10-Jill Valentine
2-Crono VS 15-Luca Blight

#4
1-Cloud VS 16-Sly Cooper
8-Ganondorf VS 9-Liquid Snake
5-Kirby VS 12-Kain
4-Frog VS 13-Protoman
6-Magus VS 11-KOS-MOS
3-Zero VS 14-Conker
7-Tails vs 10-Kefka
2-Solid Snake VS 15-Earthworm Jim
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

My bracket is currently very rough. However, I do have one division more or less finished. I've dubbed it "the Bracket-Buster" ;)

(1) Sonic
(16) CATS

(8) Vincent
(9) Mewtwo

(5) Squall Leonhart
(12) Leon Kennedy

(4) Magus
(13) JC

(6) Shadow
(11) Vivi

(3) Zero
(14) Tails

(7) Frog
(10) Yoshi

(2) Solid Snake
(15) Bass

Yes, I played around with the seeding a bit to ensure difficulty. I'm sure you can see what I'm setting up to happen in this division =)
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My bracket is still crying over Nifboy's owning in the Guru contest.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

And honestly, you know I only posting that ranting message because I needed some vindication after the ranting message you gave me.

The fact that you feel the need to 'get even' over the internet says a lot about you methinks. Not knowing how to let things go is your problem, not mine.

And if this contest was so beloved in CJayC's eyes, he never would have created a company-based bracket despite all the evidence we gave to prove how bad an idea it was.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

You were the one who publicly undressed me in the first place, so I think we have established a 'pot calling the kettle black' scenario... methinks.

I never said get even, I said vindication. Now sure, they mean the exact same thing, but that's just semantics.

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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

...and to the bracket with Frog/Solid in the 2nd round, I think you could do a lot better with bracket buster potential than that. Frog as a 7 is rather underseeded, not to mention we know how that match will play out. Close, obviously, but this just doesn't seem like one of the matches that either character could win on a given day.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

And if this contest was so beloved in CJayC's eyes, he never would have created a company-based bracket despite all the evidence we gave to prove how bad an idea it was.

...and that right there is the cold, hard truth behind me thinking we will never see our dream widow-maker bracket.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Yes, I know tnote. But look, Sonic vs. Magus and Zero vs. Snake.

But you're right, Vivi is somewhat wasted in there. I'll probably shift him around.
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My bracket is still crying over Nifboy's owning in the Guru contest.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

*sigh* I just gave a detailed argument in the last topic with solid evidence over some discrepancies in the standings, and it gets written off without any good reason whatsoever. I give up.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

*tag* (man, I'm seriously outta the loop for this contest. Darn those hurricanes & darn Tales of Symphonia)

I found some big mistakes in my bracket (lack of Dante and Zelda). Here is the finished (for now) version.

Divison 1

1)Link
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Ryu (SF)
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Auron
13) Ridley

6) Alucard
11) Ryu Hayabusa

3) Frog
14) Dr. Wily

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Cloud
15) Toad

Division 2

1)Sephiroth
16) Laharl

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Dante
13) KOS-MOS

5) Sora
12) Ken Masters

6) Zelda
11) Liquid Snake

3) Aeris
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

2)Samus
15)Vyse

Division 3

1)Mario
16) Pac-Man

8) Yoshi
9) Knuckles

4) Squall
13) MewTwo

5) Bowser
12) Carl Johnson

6) Magus
11) Raiden

3) Solid Snake
14) Bass

7) Luigi
10) Kefka

2)Sonic the Hedgehog
15)Duke Nukem

Division 4

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot

8) Kirby
9) Leon S. Kennedy

5) Ganondorf
12) Ryu Hayabusa

4) Master Chief
13) Jill Valentine

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Zero
14)Jak

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Crono
15) Falco Lombardi

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I stay awake and dream at night about Magus/Frog, but from what I gather I am the only one who thinks that would be an entertaining match. Additionally, I believe I am the only one who thinks Frog would get the SFF on Magus for the victory.

With Vivi where you have him, you create an interesting 1st round match though, so he really is not wasted.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

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Shin... weren't you the one in MWIS's topic?

Could we please avoid the idiotic grudges in here? It is so pointless....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And if this contest was so beloved in CJayC's eyes, he never would have created a company-based bracket despite all the evidence we gave to prove how bad an idea it was.

actually, it seems like love of the contest would be a perfect reason to go to the trouble to set up a themed bracket.

a same-fanbase bracket sounds really fun on paper.
it only looks bad if you know what happens in sff matches.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

Division 1

1. Cloud
16. Laharl

8. Tails
9. Kratos Aurion

5. Luigi
12. Kefka

4. Bowser
13. Protoman

6. Frog
11. Tommy Vercetti

3. Magus
14. Pac-Man

7. Leon S. Kennedy
10. Jill Valentine

2. Sonic the Hedgehog
15. Fayt Leingod

Division 2

1. Link
16. Gordon Freeman

8. Bass
9. Viewtiful Joe

5. Yoshi
12. Sarah Kerrigen

4. Ryu
13. Donkey Kong

6. Squall
11. Scorpion

3. Zero
14. Morrigan

7. Dante
10. Ness

2. Sephiroth
15. Duke Nukem

Division 3

1. Megaman
16. CATS

8. Knuckles
9. Kirby

5. Aeris Gainsborough
12. Zelda

4. Liquid Snake
13. Lloyd Irving

6. CJ
11. Crash Bandicoot

3. Master Chief
14. Strider Hiryu

7. Ryu H
10. Vyse

2. Crono
15. Terry Bogard

Divison 4

1. Samus Aran
16. Earthworm Jim

8. Ganondorf
9. Sora

5. Shadow
12. KOS-MOS

4. Auron
13. Vincent Valentine

6. Tidus
11. HK - 47

3. Solid Snake
14. Bomberman

7. Vivi
10. Alucard

2. Mario
15. Ghaleon

What do you all think of this bracket? Some people are under seeded like Zelda and Dante but I had to move them around. You have Magus-Frog in second round and the winner fights Sonic which would bracket bust a ton of brackets.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

It'd be nice not to waste pointless space arguing on the matter of who said what to who. It's just plain annoying.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Shin... weren't you the one in MWIS's topic?

Could we please avoid the idiotic grudges in here? It is so pointless....

I completely agree. This should be about stats and discussion, not moronic board politics.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

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shin ramza, where does any of the justification for that come from? you just attacked him for no reason, when he ranted first, which he acknowledged he said he was just upset, but he got over it, and then he was *defending* himself, personaly I think he has better things to do than to wait for ulti to post, I don't think any of us are really malicious like that.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

SFF matches look decent on paper, but there was more than enough evidence against them with three contest's worth of data to draw from.

And I see that we're back in form when it comes to offseason arguments. *sigh*
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

I only posting that ranting message because I needed some vindication after the ranting message you gave me.

Despite this guy freely admitting that he was attacking Ulti to get back at him, all he was doing was defending himself? Give me a break. He was clearly trolling, and he even admits it.
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"How many DBZers does it take to screw in a light bulb? One, but it takes 12 episodes."

...who cares?
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

I don't think any of us are really malicious like that.

You haven't been on this board very long.
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"How many DBZers does it take to screw in a light bulb? One, but it takes 12 episodes."

So, uh....

How 'bout those Ravens? Yeah!

Anyway, even if the whole idea of us helping with the bracket doesn't work, we're still going to spend all offseason creating our own mock brackets anyways, right? =)
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

shin ramza-

Good god. the hell are you doing here anyways? Given that I have been around for, oooh, 50+ topics now, and have not seen you post ONCE, I'll assume you are a lurker. That being the case, get a life bro. Seriously. If Ulti needed any more lackeys, he'd just need to make a topic asking for them. Underage user? Heh, ooh the humor. That would make me the youngest CPA in America, and as much as I would love that designation, it would not be the case. So just go back to trolling the asinine topics on Board 8, and leave this to actual contest discussion. Ulti and I are adult enough to address these matters without your interference.

...and yes, I am well aware of the hypocrasy of this message.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Anyway, even if the whole idea of us helping with the bracket doesn't work, we're still going to spend all offseason creating our own mock brackets anyways, right? =)

Damn straight.

...and go Chiefs! I just hate seeing teams go 0-4 unless the prefix "St. Louis" is prominently involved.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Falcons are doing ridiculously well so far.

Madden curse... who'd it fall on this year?
i couldn't bear to see the falcons suck so bad without vick last year.


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RPG Elite (777) Dragoon Choco-Mage
From the ashes of Reito rose a new kami, and thereafter at every battle came Horobi, Death's wail.

Still looking for feedback on this bracket...

Divison 1

1)Link
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Ryu (SF)
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Auron
13) Ridley

6) Alucard
11) Ryu Hayabusa

3) Frog
14) Dr. Wily

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Cloud
15) Toad

Division 2

1)Sephiroth
16) Laharl

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Dante
13) KOS-MOS

5) Sora
12) Ken Masters

6) Zelda
11) Liquid Snake

3) Aeris
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

2)Samus
15)Vyse

Division 3

1)Mario
16) Pac-Man

8) Yoshi
9) Knuckles

4) Squall
13) MewTwo

5) Bowser
12) Carl Johnson

6) Magus
11) Raiden

3) Solid Snake
14) Bass

7) Luigi
10) Kefka

2)Sonic the Hedgehog
15)Duke Nukem

Division 4

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot

8) Kirby
9) Leon S. Kennedy

5) Ganondorf
12) Ryu Hayabusa

4) Master Chief
13) Jill Valentine

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Zero
14)Jak

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Crono
15) Falco Lombardi

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Anyway, even if the whole idea of us helping with the bracket doesn't work, we're still going to spend all offseason creating our own mock brackets anyways, right? =)


dang straight!! ^_^

i've got my version pretty well tweaked, but i kinda wanna see if we're gonna be helping Ceej before i post my version. btw - when do you think you might hear back from Ceej?

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Madden curse = Ray Lewis.

And what again is wrong with my dream for a widow-maker bracket shin ramza? Or do you only respond to things involving Ulti?
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Madden curse... who'd it fall on this year?

Ray Lewis' little brother =)
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

(1) Mega Man
(2) Crono
(3) Snake
(4) Ganondorf
(5) Ryu
(6) Zero

Crono vs. Snake wouldn't be a good rematch...put Snake and Zero in Samus' division. Do you realize, that despite being ranked 4th, she's only ever beaten one member of the noble nine? Come on, Samus needs to pwn some of the elites whose names aren't Sonic.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

Falcons are doing ridiculously well so far.

*grumbles about yesterday's game*
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

What is a widow-maker bracket?
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"How many DBZers does it take to screw in a light bulb? One, but it takes 12 episodes."

I would like to say that Solid Snake's round 3 sprite did not give Frog or anyother character in previous contest an advantage. If you really stretch it, it's only .8% and that could just be a margin of error
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Very good point, Mac. This is why the gurus making a bracket would be fantastic. ;)
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

"...and that right there is the cold, hard truth behind me thinking we will never see our dream widow-maker bracket."

It's a shame that we don't still have stat topics free of people making stupid posts like this one.

And a couple posts later...

What is a widow-maker bracket?

Am I the only one here who think we don't need people here to hit everyone around while pwning themselves?
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

I don't think any of us are really malicious like that.

You haven't been on this board very long.

Yeah, its not like I have basically only posted here for my whole account, or anything like that.

and, though we've probably discussed this lots and lots of times, does anyone think we'll have another best game contest? and outside of best game and character, what others would work? this is a perennial question, but hey, we've got the time to spend on them again.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

What is a widow-maker bracket?

A widow-maker is a term for just exactly that: something that kills. Last year I took a tax final which the professor dubbed "his widowmaker." We later found out he coined this phrase because the TA got a 75% on it. Yeah. Anyways, what I mean by a widow-maker bracket is one filled so many toss-up matches that you have no chance to actually know who is going to win. This contest had what? Maybe 10 tough matches? We could easily create a tournament with 10 coin-flip matches, and probably another 10 tough ones.

Ergo, I dream of us SC2k5 being our widow-maker bracket.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Good old Shin, always stirring **** up.

He used to treat me that way, but then I went and beat the Calc SCC.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Another "Best. Game. Ever." contest is in order for at least one more run. We could include all the games that should've been in but weren't able too, along no divisions by era.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

I have been meaning to compare the average prediction percentage of the three contests to see how the overall casuals are doing, because I wonder that if we make a super hard bracket, the casual bracket maker won't have much a chance.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

If we throw in games like Mega Man 2/3/X, Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy VIII, etc, and don't seed by era, we can have another good Spring Contest. Though it would be better in the winter.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

okay, outback, here's a little analysis: i personally think these five 4-packs are easily predictable 4-packs:

6) Alucard
11) Ryu Hayabusa
3) Frog
14) Dr. Wily

7) Luigi
10) Kefka
2)Sonic the Hedgehog
15)Duke Nukem

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot
8) Kirby
9) Leon S. Kennedy

5) Ganondorf
12) Ryu Hayabusa
4) Master Chief
13) Jill Valentine

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving
3) Zero
14)Jak


these three 4-packs have two or three good matches with some new characters that could make an impact:

5) Ryu (SF)
12) Vincent Valentine
4) Auron
13) Ridley


6) Zelda
11) Liquid Snake
3) Aeris
14) Diddy Kong


4) Squall
13) MewTwo
5) Bowser
12) Carl Johnson

the rest of the 4-packs each have one good match. overall, not bad, outback.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Another "Best. Game. Ever." contest is in order for at least one more run. We could include all the games that should've been in but weren't able too, along no divisions by era.

And a decent seed for Starcraft. Some of the best matches of that contest involved Starcraft. I'd like to see Starcraft in a bracket with the games that are near it in strength...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

There were a number of worthy games left out of Spring that could raise some eyebrows, like Mega Man 2, 3 or X and the DKC series, for starters. Additionally, there have been some acclaimed games to hit the stores since then, like Tales of Symphonia, and more sequels than I can list (Halo, Half-Life, GTA, etc...).

As for another contest that could fly, the best I could think of would be the gender-biased best. female. ever. but on a site that is over 90%, TJF aside, it is not exactly hitting his target audience.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

That is obviously suppose to read over 90% male.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

If we throw in games like Mega Man 2/3/X, Chrono Cross, Final Fantasy VIII, etc, and don't seed by era, we can have another good Spring Contest. Though it would be better in the winter.

i agree. and again with fewer fodder games and fewer SFF matches.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Dig the sig, shin.


Somebody had the idea awhile back to make a Best Game Ever contest with NONE of the original games that made it in...and because there's many more games that people care about than there are characters, I think that could work out pretty good, really, considering all the games that got left out. Of course, that wouldn't really be a Best Game Ever contest, so to speak, but it'd still have plenty of potential.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I wonder if we could throw together 64 games for a worst. game. ever. tournament. I mean, we all know what would win, but would anything be able to even break 25% on Superman 64?
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Mega Man 2/3 and Mega Man X are absolute musts for another game contest, that's for sure.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

I'd like to see Starcraft in a bracket with the games that are near it in strength...

uh........

*checks unadjusted X-Stats*

well, i bolded Starcraft and it's opponents from last contest:

7 Super Smash Bros. Melee 37.57%
8 Starcraft 37.36%
9 The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 37.29%
10 Halo: Combat Evolved 37.24%
11 Final Fantasy X 36.86%
12 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 34.91%
13 Kingdom Hearts 34.70%

well, it kinda looks like Starcraft did face a lot of opponents near it's own strength.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

The funny thing is we all agree MM 2, 3 AND X belong in the tournament, and yet somehow NONE of them actually made it. If that doesn't show a flawed nomination system, then just put me in a dress and call me... scratch that.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

I mean, we all know what would win, but would anything be able to even break 25% on Superman 64?

Panty Raider and Big Rigs would do worse (or better, however you look at it) than Superman 64. There was a poll about this a few months ago, I think.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Note that all of the opponents near Starcraft are in Division 128.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1587

There you go.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Ulti's still supporting the idea of retiring Link and Cloud?

Alright, you've officially gone off the deep end. Again.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Whoa... games 7-13 all came from that blasted 128 division? How did we not discuss this in extreme depth before? I cannot possibly be the only person who finds this way beyond a coincidence.

*Shakes fist at Division 128*
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Whoa... games 7-13 all came from that blasted 128 division? How did we not discuss this in extreme depth before? I cannot possibly be the only person who finds this way beyond a coincidence.

It was discussed after the Spring contest, but everyone in here decided it didn't matter. Agree'd here though, the Spring X-Stats suck.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush ~SuperLuigiBros
Nifboy pwned me with a plunger!

We know that poll is flawed, because Superman 64 isn't even in it. Throw up a match pic with just rings, and I don't care what it is against, kyptonite wouldn't keep that game from taking the crown.

The only thing that would concern is a game title like "Panty Raider" would get votes simply because it sounds like a horriblific gaming experience. Unless of course one is into that sort of thing.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

The spring contest was not kind to me at all.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

I never thought much of it; I think there's a Recency Factor that lets most good recent games rank at around the same range, assuming there's no SFF between them. It'd be interesting to see newer games other than SSBM face other games out of their era.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I find it cool that every "Why did Cloud lose?" topic featurs a load of people that voted for Link. The FF7 board dislikes him as much as we do, it seems.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

If Starcraft and SSB:M would never have set foot in that freakin' contest, I would have had a perfect bracket. Not that I am bitter, or anything...

And what does retiring Link and Cloud accomplish? We would have the exact same problem, except it would Samus and Sephiroth instead of Link and Cloud.

The above statement comes with the caveat that Samus gets some form of a gain from Echos. If not, then it is just Sephiroth, with Samus and Crono a bit behind.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

The spring contest was nice to me....

... until FF7 owned Zelda:OoT. I would've been in the top 15 too, if that had not happened.
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My bracket is still crying over Nifboy's owning in the Guru contest.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

Whoa... games 7-13 all came from that blasted 128 division? How did we not discuss this in extreme depth before? I cannot possibly be the only person who finds this way beyond a coincidence.

i think it was more or less accepted that newer games would be closer in popularity than older games because they haven't had enough time to settle in or to be replaced by sequels. after a game has been around for a few years, it settles into a more definite postion of popularity.

which leads me to ask, has anyone ever mentioned or thought about having a Best Game of the Year Contest at the end of the year? Ceej already uses a couple weeks of polls to figure out the site's favorite games of the year. why can't we turn that into a Winter Contest?

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

The FF7 board dislikes him as much as we do, it seems.

....... but, i like Cloud. =(

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I am still all for reinstating the old winter contest of the faqs top 10 (or 20, or whatever). I was never around for it, but just from looking through the old contests run before, that one looked entertaining. Granted we are looking for discussion on voter-related contests. He could always bring back the one where we guess how the site will respond to X numbers of polls, and then actually run those polls. I would love to see a free-for-all Square poll with Cloud, Sephiroth, Crono, Magus, Tidus, Auron and Squall.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

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I'm getting tired of seeing your bracket outback so i'll write up some comments on why i don't like it as much as some others brackets i've seen.

Divison 1

1)Link
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

gordon and cats should both be in as fodder b/c they both rule.

8) Terra
9) Tails

actually a decent matchup. should be interesting.

5) Ryu (SF)
12) Vincent Valentine

i like the idea of slipping in vincent as a low seed but ryu needs to be higher. he's earned it.

4) Auron
13) Ridley


6) Alucard
11) Ryu Hayabusa

another good match.

3) Frog
14) Dr. Wily


7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Cloud
15) Toad

Division 2

1)Sephiroth
16) Laharl

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

enough people want scorpion out and subzero in.

4) Dante
13) KOS-MOS

bad seed for kosmos too high for dante yet again.

5) Sora
12) Ken Masters

6) Zelda
11) Liquid Snake

not half as ineresting as it looks. zelda would take it too easily. bad seedings also.

3) Aeris
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

i don't know if either of these characters deserves to not be fodder next year.

2)Samus
15)Vyse

Division 3

1)Mario
16) Pac-Man

8) Yoshi
9) Knuckles

this is in my mock bracket too. i think it just might happen next year.

4) Squall
13) MewTwo

why mewtwo?

5) Bowser
12) Carl Johnson

6) Magus
11) Raiden

which raiden? any one doesn't stand a chance.

3) Solid Snake
14) Bass

7) Luigi
10) Kefka

kefka really needs to go. sorry.

2)Sonic the Hedgehog
15)Duke Nukem

Division 4

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot

8) Kirby
9) Leon S. Kennedy

should be interesting given re4.

5) Ganondorf
12) Ryu Hayabusa

repeated ryu hayabusa? gave him a different seed too. better fix that one up.

4) Master Chief
13) Jill Valentine

jill deserves a higher seed. she hasn't gone down since 2002 that much, she's gotten bad matches.

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Zero
14)Jak

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

another one that's in my bracket.

2) Crono
15) Falco Lombardi

crono vs. megaman would be good and so would the matchups in your third division but you complete ruin things in the first two divisions. samus gets the shaft yet again with another 2 seed, and you have the top 3 in the same groups. those seedings just don't fly for them anymore. it's a decent bracket but i think it needs improvement. decent job though. if we presented brackets and voted on best ones at any point this would be in the running perhaps.

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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I find it cool that every "Why did Cloud lose?" topic featurs a load of people that voted for Link. The FF7 board dislikes him as much as we do, it seems.

Heh. XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I have been meaning to compare the average prediction percentage of the three contests to see how the overall casuals are doing, because I wonder that if we make a super hard bracket, the casual bracket maker won't have much a chance.

But you see, it's just the opposite. There are matches like Zero vs. Tommy Vercetti, which are very easy to predict for the elites, but difficult for the casual bracket maker. In the guru-bracket, we'd get rid of matches like these, thus making it harder for us, and giving the casuals more of a chance.
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

I have a bone to pick...

Guybrush couldn't get 14% on Link if his picture was a link to PICS. NOW. of pr0n.

That is all.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

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Guybrush couldn't get 14% on Link if his picture was a link to PICS. NOW. of pr0n.

I based Bowser on what he should have gotten on Mario with no SFF in 2K3.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Guybrush couldn't get 14% on Link if his picture was a link to PICS. NOW. of pr0n.

I based Bowser on what he should have gotten on Mario with no SFF in 2K3.


And what did you base Guybrush on? Not only is he vastly improved over 2k2, these rankings give him 26% on Bowser. It would seem that there's a systemic flaw in your rankings...
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Although being raped by Sora twice was incredibly painful, nothing can compare to being utterly destroyed by nifboy in the Guru challenge.

well, according to day's poll, most visitors to the site are in favor of having at least one more Summer Contest:

Would you like to see more tournament contests on GameFAQs?

Yes, they should be constantly running 30.57% 18036
Sure, they're always fun 33.52% 19782
Maybe, but I'm getting tired of the character battle 25.05% 14779
No, they're old, do something new 10.86% 6410
TOTAL VOTES 59007

sadly, this poll is gonna have more total votes than some of the last contests matches.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

What we need is some kind of hybridized common sense XS. One that doesn't have any character taking a 7% drop from one year to the next. That is unfathomable. As is that word. Does it even exist? It takes what the XS from this year, unadjusted, and then compares them to last year (wherever possible). It looks to see the cumulative effect of change, and then adjusts them as needed. Looking at what they say, a simple 'does this make sense?' Not to have it directly in line with last year, because obviously characters change. When I get some free time this weekend I am going to look into this, because I imagine it sounds a lot better in my head than it does right now. I know you will all be waiting with bated breath...
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

And what did you base Guybrush on? Not only is he vastly improved over 2k2, these rankings give him 26% on Bowser. It would seem that there's a systemic flaw in your rankings...

Hm... Lemme double check this...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

sadly, this poll is gonna have more total votes than some of the last contests matches.

This poll is a helluva lot more exciting than Sam Fisher/Gordon Freeman. The only sadly comes from us having to endure that crapfest for 24 hours.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

6 Crono 37.18% 2 seed
7 Mario 34.77% 2 seed
8 Magus 34.05% 2 seed
9 Sonic 33.57% 3 seed
10 Zero 32.90% 3 seed
11 Ganondorf 32.77% 3 seed
12 Solid Snake 32.02% 3 seed

BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

The day of reckoning (READ: MAGUS OWNING THE HELL OUT OUT OF SNAKE, SONIC, AND MARIO IN SUCCESSION) will soon be at hand!!!!!
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Hm.... I just double checked the math and... I am not quite sure why I got 14% in the first place.... I'll alter them in a second.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

*cowers in fear of Ulti*

uh... Go Frog?

AAAAH

uh... MAGUS! GO MAGUS!
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

One that doesn't have any character taking a 7% drop from one year to the next. That is unfathomable

that doesn't seem that crazy. we've only had two chances for characters to drop - from 2K2 to 2K3 and from 2K3 to 2K4. anything could change popularity in an instant, let alone over the course of a year.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I think you made a math error. My rankings (2k4 Link = 50%) look like this:

63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.60%

And the 2k3 Link = 50% looks like this:

63 Guybrush Threepwood 10.54%

And tnote, I've only done changes using a strict formula. I don't believe in playing with the XS until we get what looks right to us (outside of 20XXDF, of course, but even there I followed my formula), because it defeats the purpose of creating a purely math based extrapolated ranking system.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Heh...

And to think the only reason I avoided the apparent overinflation of Magus was because I know what a god he is around these parts. Looks like Daniel-son chose wisely.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

There is no flaw in MM119's rankings, other than the fact that Magus is clearly a full percent below where he should be due to Crono/Magus SFF. Link is lucky that Crono managed to take Magus down, or else he would have been in for a world of pain.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

The day of reckoning (READ: MAGUS OWNING THE HELL OUT OUT OF SNAKE, SONIC, AND MARIO IN SUCCESSION) will soon be at hand!!!!!

You spelt Master Chief wrong. : )
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

Magus beat Mario? It shall never come to pass.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

MM, you seem to have really adjusted Mega Man...how did you arrive at such a high number for him? In fact, most of your SFF recipients seem rather high...what did you use to adjust them? Not saying they're wrong, because we really have no way of telling, but I'd like to know how you did it.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

I know RPG, but I some of the adjusted XS's I have seen don't fly with me. Mainly the Tidus super-mega drop. It's inexplicable. There are a few other things as well, but nothing as glaring as his plummet from Ganondorf. Hell, maybe I will just leave well enough alone, because tinkering with this, and then somehow getting you all to realize Tidus didn't drop like a tech stock, only hurts my chances come next year in his meeting with Alucard or Kirby =)
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Fixed XS

1 Link 50.00% 1 seed
2 Cloud Strife 48.18% 1 seed
3 Sephiroth 42.40% 1 seed
4 Samus 39.50% 1 seed
5 Mega Man 37.40% 2 seed
6 Crono 37.18% 2 seed
7 Mario 34.77% 2 seed
8 Magus 34.05% 2 seed
9 Sonic 33.57% 3 seed
10 Zero 32.90% 3 seed
11 Ganondorf 32.77% 3 seed
12 Solid Snake 32.02% 3 seed
13 Frog 31.13% 4 seed
14 Master Chief 31.13% 4 seed
15 Liquid Snake 31.10% 4 seed
16 Ryu 29.85% 4 seed
17 Squall 28.70% 5 seed
18 Yoshi 28.26% 5 seed
19 Bowser 28.20% 5 seed
20 Alucard 28.08% 5 seed
21 Auron 27.39% 6 seed
22 Sora 26.98% 6 seed
23 Tidus 26.34% 6 seed
24 Shadow 25.91% 6 seed
25 Knuckles 25.91% 7 seed
26 Kirby 25.82% 7 seed
27 Luigi 25.73% 7 seed
28 Dante 25.49% 7 seed
29 Vivi 25.22% 8 seed
30 Tommy Vercetti 25.11% 8 seed
31 Protoman 24.04% 8 seed
32 KOS-MOS 22.61% 8 seed
33 Kefka 22.04% 9 seed
34 Tails 21.72% 9 seed
35 Donkey Kong 20.96% 9 seed
36 Ryu Hayabusa 20.66% 9 seed
37 Jill 20.65% 10 seed
38 Bomberman 20.23% 10 seed
39 Viewtiful Joe 19.63% 10 seed
40 Max Payne 19.10% 10 seed
41 Crash 18.23% 11 seed
42 Scorpion 19.26% 11 seed
43 Ness 19.15% 11 seed
44 HK-47 18.59% 11 seed
45 Kain 18.25% 12 seed
46 Vyse 17.91% 12 seed
47 Jak 17.20% 12 seed
48 Pac Man 16.61% 12 seed
49 Conker 16.37% 13 seed
50 Duke Nukem 16.18% 13 seed
51 Sam Fisher 15.03% 13 seed
52 Laharl 14.25% 13 seed
53 Lara Croft 13.91% 14 seed
54 Gordon Freeman 13.40% 14 seed
55 Ryo Hazuki 13.34% 14 seed
56 Luca Blight 12.91% 14 seed
57 Terry Bogard 12.86% 15 seed
58 Earthworm Jim 12.73% 15 seed
59 CATS 12.17% 15 seed
60 Sly Cooper 11.56% 15 seed
61 JC Denton 11.45% 16 seed
62 Ratchet 10.05% 16 seed
63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.59% 16 seed
64 Tanner 3.65% 16 seed

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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

tnote, if you do want to play with the rankings, I'd be more than happy to send you the Excel spreadsheet I used to calculate them. That goes for anyone, by the way.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Fixed Optimum Bracket

Division 1

(1) Link
(16) JC Denton
(8) Vivi
(9) Kefka

(5) Sqaull
(12) Kain
(4) Frog
(13) Conker

(6) Auron
(11) Crash
(3) Sonic
(14) Lara Croft

(7) Knuckles
(10) Jill
(2) Mega Man
(15) Terry Bogard

Division 2

(1) Cloud
(16) Ratchet
(8) Tommy Vercetti
(9) Tails

(5) Yoshi
(12) Vyse
(4) Master Chief
(13) Duke

(6) Sora
(11) Scorpion
(3) Zero
(14) Gordon Freeman

(7) Kirby
(10) Bomberman
(2) Crono
(15) Earthworm Jim

Division 3

(1) Sephiroth
(16) Guybrush Threepwood
(8) Protoman
(9) Donkey Kong

(3) Bowser
(12) Jak
(4) Liquid Snake
(13) Sam Fisher

(6)Tidus
(11) Ness
(3) Ganondorf
(14) Ryo Hazuki

(7) Luigi
(10) Viewtiful Joe
(2) Mario
(15) CATS

Division 4

(1) Samus
(16) Tanner
(8) KOS-MOS
(9) Ryu Hayabusa

(3) Alucard
(12) Pac Man
(4) Ryu
(13) Laharl

(6) Shadow
(11) HK-47
(3) Solid Snake
(14) Luca Blight

(7) Dante
(10) Max Payne
(2) Magus
(15) Sly Cooper

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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

*Sees Guybrush under 10%*

Aaaah... much better. I can now sleep better at night knowing that assclown can only PWN Tanner, extrapolatedly, of course.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Thanks for the offer RPGuy. If I find I have time on Saturday to address this, I will let ya know =)
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

I adjusted almost all of the SFF based on last years expected percentages but slightly lowered. I actually gave Mega less than he was expected last year and my reasoning was that Link seems to have risen relative to every other character but I also feel Mega Man rose as well. Also, I didn't adjust Zero vs Mega Man at all.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I adjusted almost all of the SFF based on last years expected percentages but slightly lowered. I actually gave Mega less than he was expected last year and my reasoning was that Link seems to have risen relative to every other character but I also feel Mega Man rose as well. Also, I didn't adjust Zero vs Mega Man at all.

Ah. In that case, you're almost certainly overranking the recipients of SFF adjustments, because Link increased somewhere between 4 and 5% on his 2k3 self (4.46% based on a static Mario). As for Mega Man being ranked above Crono, that's quite a stretch, given he did 5% worse against a common opponent.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Thing is, I don't think Mario stayed constant. And I think Mega Man got some strange form of SFF against Link since most of his fanbase is from NES/SNES.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

No offense, MasterMage, but I find rpgguy's Fixed Xsts to be better.

Anyway, based on his Xsts, here is what each of the divisions should be seeded like.

Hyrule

(1) Link
(16) Guybrush Threepwood

(8) Yoshi
(9) Luigi

(5) Ganondorf
(12) CATS

(4) Magus
(13) Luca Blight

(6) Bowser
(11) Pac-Man

(3) Mario
(14) Ryo Hazuki

(7) Alucard
(10) Conker

(2) Crono
(15) JC Denton

20XX

(1) Mega Man
(16) Tanner

(8) Shadow the Hedgehog
(9) Knuckles the Echidna

(5) Master Chief
(12) Kefka

(4) Frog
(13) Max Payne

(6) Liquid Snake
(11) Protoman

(3) Solid Snake
(14) Crash Bandicoot

(7) Tidus
(10) Tommy Vercetti

(2) Zero
(15) Earthworm Jim

Midgar

(1) Cloud Strife
(16) Sly Cooper

(8) Bomberman
(9) Scorpion

(5) Vivi
(12) Kain

(4) Auron
(13) Vyse

(6) Kirby
(11) Duke Nukem

(3) Squall Leonhart
(14) Jak

(7) Donkey Kong
(10) Ness

(2) Sephiroth
(15) Laharl

Chaos

(1) Samus Aran
(16) Ratchet

(8) Ryu Hayabusa
(9) Jill Valentine

(5) Dante
(12) Sam Fisher

(4) Sora
(13) Lara Croft

(6) KOS-MOS
(11) HK-47

(3) Ryu
(14) Gordon Freeman

(7) Miles "Tails" Prower
(10) Viewtiful Joe

(2) Sonic the Hedgehog
(15) Terry Bogard

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SC2K4 Score: 152/160
Today's Pick: Link

Something interesting I just noticed. The BOP managed to get a score of 187. If anybody copied it exactly for their bracket, they would have tied for 45th place! If anybody copied it and made one correct change(the most obvious one was probably Tidus vs Shadow), they would be on the Top 50 right now. I wonder if any of the Top 50 did that.
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***nifboy is my God!***
nifboy decimated me in the Summer 2004 Contest!

Something interesting I just noticed. The BOP managed to get a score of 187. If anybody copied it exactly for their bracket, they would have tied for 45th place! If anybody copied it and made one correct change(the most obvious one was probably Tidus vs Shadow), they would be on the Top 50 right now. I wonder if any of the Top 50 did that.

187? I thought it had missed more matches than that... What did it miss?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

The BOP missed:
Shadow vs Tidus
Ness vs Jak
Viewtiful Joe vs Tails
Ryu Hayabusa vs Sora

It looked like this:
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/BoardOddsProject.htm
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***nifboy is my God!***
nifboy decimated me in the Summer 2004 Contest!

What the hell?

Now there's a Xsts that lists MAGUS above Sonic?

Where the **** are you people getting this ****?

Eh. I'm happy with my results.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Wow. I had the exact bracket as the BOP except Link vs Cloud without even knowing what the BOP was or that it even existed.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Then be so kind as to explain to lil' ol' me how you came to them.

Despite the fact that you are obnoxious and barely deserve to know, I will. Last year, Magus would be expected to get 45.79 on Crono. So I used that and Crono's value on Link to determine that Magus would get 34.05% on Link.

As for Sonic, Samus got 40.99% on Cloud which gives her an expected value of 39.50% on Link. Sonic got 42.49% on Samus so after a quick calculation, Sonic gets 33.57% on Link which *gasp* is less than Link.

This is all to FourthDeus by the way.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

So I used that and Crono's value on Link to determine that Magus would get 34.05% on Link.

One problem, I think. Crono's performance this year was on an improved Link, which means that he (Crono) improved as well.

It would seem you are giving Magus credit for a gain he didn't actually have...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And here's a new bracket with all the SC2K4 characters scrambled in different divisions.

Hyrule Division

(1) Link
(16) Tanner

(8) Tommy Vercetti
(9) Ryu Hayabusa

(5) Squall Leonhart
(12) Crash Bandicoot

(4) Ryu
(13) Laharl

(6) Sora
(11) Kain

(3) Magus
(14) CATS

(7) Tidus
(10) Ness

(2) Crono
(15) Sly Cooper

Midgar Division

(1) Cloud Strife
(16) Guybrush Threepwood

(8) Donkey Kong
(9) Kefka

(5) Auron
(12) Max Payne

(4) Frog
(13) Pac-Man

(6) Vivi
(11) HK-47

(3) Ganondorf
(14) Terry Bogard

(7) Yoshi
(10) Scorpion

(2) Mega Man
(15) Ryo Hazuki

Meteor Division

(1) Sephiroth
(16) Ratchet

(8) Luigi
(9) Protoman

(5) Bowser
(12) Jak

(4) Master Chief
(13) Sam Fisher

(6) Kirby
(11) Duke Nukem

(3) Zero
(14) Gordon Freeman

(7) Shadow the Hedgehog
(10) Bomberman

(2) Mario
(15) Earthworm Jim

Zebes Division

(1) Samus Aran
(16) JC Denton

(8) KOS-MOS
(9) Miles "Tails" Prower

(5) Alucard
(12) Vyse

(4) Liquid Snake
(13) Conker

(6) Dante
(11) Viewtiful Joe

(3) Solid Snake
(14) Lara Croft

(7) Knuckles the Echidna
(10) Jill Valentine

(2) Sonic the Hedgehog
(15) Luca Blight
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SC2K4 Final Score: 184/192
Contest Winner: Link

the annoying problem with sff it seems is that it causes us to go back to last year's results, when the characters really couldn't have stayed EXACTLY the same, so while using their past results I guess is pretty much the only way to do things, something as close as Sonic/Magus, which we all know, but I'm typing anyway, can't really be determined.
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Congratulations to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm, who won the guru challenge through their godly prediction abilities. : )

My biggest SC2k4 regret?

Not getting to tell HaloSniper that he is my hero.

There was a gentleman who earned my eternal respect.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Like Mumei said, you gave Magus a boost which there is zero evidence of. So basically, in my "obnoxious" opinion, means that your Magus Xsts come from the deeper recesses of your ass.

I would be so on board with having a Best Villain or Best Female Character ever contest, although the two winners would be blatantly obvious.

I still want to see if Kefka would perform better if he actually got a recognizable picture.
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"All this time I thought I was following Sephiroth, I was really being summoned by him."--Cloud Strife

Oooh for the love of everything holy would you lurker-trolls just stay that way! Lurkers! CJay-sus...
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Well Yesmar, that be one way we could give Sephiroth and Samus their precious titles...

Don't remember where I read this, but someone suggested having rotating pictures for all the rounds. Lord knows there would be a big enough turnout from users in order to accomplish this.

Y'all think of any downfalls?
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Like Mumei said, you gave Magus a boost which there is zero evidence of. So basically, in my "obnoxious" opinion, means that your Magus Xsts come from the deeper recesses of your ass.

Notice how Mumei said the same thing yet was FAR less of a jack ass, in fact eliminating that quality altogether. I didn't "pull Magus' Xsts from the deeper recessess of my ass" as you so eloquently put it, but rather decided that I think Magus would do better against Crono than the XS from last year dictate. You see, that is what causes a slight differentiation between people's SFF Adjusted XS. Trace amounts of personal bias. Now why don't you stop being a jack ass and act civil while getting your points across?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

I'd be more than willing to make some more pictures. Fooling around with Photoshop is fun. And I believe Leonhart suggested that.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

FourthDeus, the Stat Topics are divided into two types of people: Magus fans and Gannondorf fans. Thus we must make it seem like these two could win it all. Don't worry before we are done they will both rank above Link.

We are doing for... the common good. To show people, the light.

Nah, I think I've gotten my point across quite fine. Your Xsts are bull, I'm sticking with RPGuy's, at least with those there's a far more reasonable explanation for number fudging.

Notice how Mumei said the same thing yet was FAR less of a jack ass, in fact eliminating that quality altogether.

I really don't understand myself sometimes. Heh
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nah, I think I've gotten my point across quite fine. Your Xsts are bull, I'm sticking with RPGuy's, at least with those there's a far more reasonable explanation for number fudging.

I don't know if I should be happy for myself that I don't have to worry about you using my XSTS at all or feel bad for RPG that you mentioned him in one of your posts.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Weren't you the one attacking my XS in Ulti's topic? I think MasterMage should be feeling bad for me.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Weren't you the one attacking my XS in Ulti's topic? I think MasterMage should be feeling bad for me.

It was a matter of him hating Mega Man and wanting him to be ranked below Sonic. ^_^;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

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Yeah, I was pissed Mega Man SOMEHOW got above Sonic, but after hearing it was for Snake sake, I let it slide...for now.

You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar ace.

I had issues with his Guybrush coddling, RPGuy saw I was very, very civil about it, pointed it out to MM that he may have made a clerical error, he re-ran it, saw he did, and problem was solved.

Why don't you get off your worthless rump and hammer out some adjusted XSs then tough guy?

"Those who can do, and those who cannot act like assclowns because they wish they could."

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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Yeah, I was pissed Mega Man SOMEHOW got above Sonic, but after hearing it was for Snake sake, I let it slide...for now.

Leprechauns did it! O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Rotating user-created pictures for all rounds?! Well, hell, that'd actually be pretty cool, but I can't see CJay letting us take over the contest THAT much. It'd be suh-weet though, and it would probably motivate me to get good at Photoshop.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Heh. Thanks tnote, Mumei, and RPG. ^_^;
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

It'd be suh-weet though, and it would probably motivate me to get good at Photoshop.

Photoshop.....grrr
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Moltar Fact 12. Moltar would have made the leaderboard if he didn’t have Cloud winning.

Heh. Thanks tnote, Mumei, and RPG. ^_^;

Do I get a cookie?

Mmmmm... cookies...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Leprechauns did it! O_o

Damn Mega Man fanleprechauns...Always screwing up my Excel formulas.

I would also like to note that Excel hates me and wants me dead.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Why yes. Yes you do.
*gives you three cookies*
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

RPG is the man. You mess with him, you with the Ashley Riot One Man Army.

Photoshop.....grrr

Oh, come on. Photoshop isn't that completely impossible to learn, and Adobe makes it so much better by not completely changing every aspect of the program with each annual release.

Seriously, though, Photoshop rocks, even if it took me a month to get used to CS coming off of 7.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

If anyone was curious, Cloud won 26 Updates in yesterday's match.

Not bad, actually. Probably better than any other championship match we've had...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

How can I go about getting Photoshop, anyways?
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I have Photoshop 7.0...just got it.

I'm kinda impatient with it though...
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Moltar Fact 12. Moltar would have made the leaderboard if he didn’t have Cloud winning.

Why don't you get off your worthless rump and hammer out some adjusted XSs then tough guy?

Oh believe me, I'd like nothing more than to slave over a computer monitor creating BS numbers that place Sonic above Link on the basis of SFF in the Sonic/Samus match, but papers to write. Oh well.

Why yes. Yes you do.
*gives you three cookies*

Thank you. ^_^

By the way, how long is smitelf making you keep that sig? It seems like it's been there for a while now.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh believe me, I'd like nothing more than to slave over a computer monitor creating BS numbers that place Sonic above Link on the basis of SFF in the Sonic/Samus match, but papers to write. Oh well.

Somehow, that doesn't surprise me in the slightest. You of course realize we all have homework too right? However, we are smart enough to get it done quickly and efficiently.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

You know its amazing. I can manage to have a pretty active social life, be involved here, get As in my college classes, and still have a lot of times for video games/sleeping/eating. Funny how much time management has to do with things.

However, we are smart enough to get it done quickly and efficiently.

Oh I'm sure you are. But I have the added burdens of obviously being NOWHERE close to as intelligent as you, and trying to have a healthy social life, regrettably taking away from time where I could be writing my papers, or crunching video game character popularity contest numbers. *sigh*

Too true NewLib, too true.

*admitted procrastinator*

..and exams out the rear. 'Tis why you should either learn to a) multitask or b) do it during downtime on the weekend. Unless you go to a state college, I highly doubt your weekend is a 72 hour bender. And even if you do, unless it is UW-Madison or IU-Bloomington, methinks you could squeeze it in.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

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How can I go about getting Photoshop, anyways?

Err, Photoshop tends to be rather expensive...it's nice to have a friend of a friend of a friend who can procure these things for you, and give them as gifts because they are such nice people.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

And I was already prepared to cede to the fact that I procrastinate. In fact, the only reason I'm still posting here is because I'm putting off doing my paper. A vicious cycle.

What is this time management you speak of?

"Hard work may pay off in the end, but laziness pays off now."
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Aw poo. Message deweted.

The fact that Sonic ranked ahead of Mega Man was disgrace enough. Thankfully, that has been fixed to show how it should be.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

People don't care about Cloud having the best losing performance of any Finals loser so far? =(

Anyway, this contest averaged 83,962 votes per match. The early matches just killed the vote total, though it did improve somewhat. It did beat the Spring - 82,803 votes per match.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh I'm sure you are. But I have the added burdens of obviously being NOWHERE close to as intelligent as you, and trying to have a healthy social life, regrettably taking away from time where I could be writing my papers, or crunching video game character popularity contest numbers. *sigh*

Ah sarcasm. The argument of those with no argument. If you are wondering, I do have a social life and I do get my work done but niether one dominates my whole life. It is called balance. I work quickly so give less time to myself to do work and more time for things that entertain me. For example, figuring out these XS, playing video games, going to jazz band which is why I was gone for two hours before, etc...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

I do care Mumei, but I had just assumed both finals before resulted in the winning character winning every update. Let's see... 4*24 = 96, so Cloud won about 1/4 of the updates? Not terribly impressive in relation to the 52-48 split.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Ah sarcasm. The argument of those with no argument.

No. Its more like the argument for discussions with people you don't give a rat's ass about.

No. Its more like the argument for discussions with people you don't give a rat's ass about.

Good one. How about we just stop? This has degraded into a trivial argument at best and making us both look like asses at worst.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Hooray for flame wars!
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I do care Mumei, but I had just assumed both finals before resulted in the winning character winning every update. Let's see... 4*24 = 96, so Cloud won about 1/4 of the updates? Not terribly impressive in relation to the 52-48 split.

Chrono Trigger did fight FFVII for an hour (or was it two hours), and Sephiroth lead for an hour or so, I think.

I think you do have to give Link credit - he went from winning how many updates last year to more than 3/4 of them this year? And during the 07:00 - 10:30 timeframe, he was insane.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think the "at worst" one is what it's gonna become if it doesn't stop soon. It doesn't need to come to that.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

I am giving Link credit, it is Cloud I am bestowing the Trojan boner of the day award upon.

And yeah... this topic is no place for petty arguments, ya hear?

*Equips hypocrasy shield*
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Unless you go to a state college, I highly doubt your weekend is a 72 hour bender.

Until this weekend, I would have agreed with you. But hell, I havent even slept since Saturday morning...Aw, what a giant game of catchup i have to play...
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm kicked my ass in the Summer Contest.

Hm. Now what should we discuss... Oh I know. Who do you guys think will improve the most next year? I think Master Chief, Ryu, Link (maybe), Cloud, and maybe Mario will increase next year.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

What's happening to mario. He's the 3rd strongets Nintendo character. I never thought I'd se ethe day.
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Spring Contest Final score: 173/192 Tied for 110th
Summer Contest Final Score: 188/192 Tied for 23rd

Well I hope Mario 64 DS and that Mario Bros. DS help remedy that.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Oh and Mario 128 whenever that comes out.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

*Equips hypocrasy shield*

*hypocrisy ^_~

Well I hope Mario 64 DS and that Mario Bros. DS help remedy that.

That Mario game is all-new, right? I hope it takes off. Mario deserves another huge hit. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

A brand-new Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario 64 DS should prove to give Mario some sort of boost coming into the next year. Oh and how can I forget the sequel to the N64 hit, Paper Mario 2 coming out this month? =p
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver (3-1)

Master Chief has the potential for a large increase. If HL-2 comes out, and Gordon is the main character, I would say him though. Just because he has so much more room to move up than anyone else.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

A brand-new Super Mario Bros. and Super Mario 64 DS should prove to give Mario some sort of boost coming into the next year. Oh and how can I forget the sequel to the N64 hit, Paper Mario 2 coming out this month?

Exactly. And I can't believe I forgot PM2 also.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Paper Mario won't do much for Mario, but it'll be fun. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

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http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/supermariobrosds/media.html?gcst=newmbds_ninbr1.asx

There is gameplay footage. Looks interesting to say the least.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Paper Mario won't do much for Mario, but it'll be fun. =)

Everything will help Mario, especially RPGs on a console. ;)
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
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Sega announces PSP and DS titles
Sony's portable will get Puyo Pop Fever and Project S, while Nintendo's handheld will get Sonic DS and Project Rub.

Haha! Sonic DS should turn out good too.


Also, http://www.gamespot.com/ds/action/dssupermario4x4/index.html

Super Mario 64 DS gameplay footage. Haven't watched it yet.
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Why wouldn't the optimum bracket look like this?:

Division 1

1) Link
16) Tanner

8) Luigi
9) Tails

5) Squall Leonheart
12) Crash Bandicoot

4) Liquid Snake
13) Conker

6) Dante
11) Viewtiful Joe

3) Magus
14) CATS

7) Tidus
10) Ness

2) Sonic the Hedgehog
15) Luca Blight

Division 2

1) Samus
16) JC Denton

8) Tommy Vercetti
9) Ryu Hayabusa

5) Alucard
12) Vyse

4) Ryu
13) Laharl

6) Sora
11) Kain

3) Solid Snake
14) Lara Croft

7) Knuckles
10) Jill Valentine

2) Crono
15) Sly Cooper

Division 3

1) Sephiroth
16) Ratchet

8) Donkey Kong
9) Kefka

5) Bowser
12) Jak

4) Frog
13) Pac Man

6) Vivi
11) HK-47

3) Zero
14) Gordon Freeman

7) Shadow
10) Bomberman

2) Mega Man
15) Ryo Hazuki

Division 4

1) Cloud
16) Guybrush Threepwood

8) KOS-MOS
9) Protoman

5) Auron
12) Max Payne

4) Master Chief
13) Sam Fisher

6) Kirby
11) Duke Nukem

3) Ganondrof
14) Terry Bogard

7) Yoshi
10) Scorpion

2) Mario
15) Earthworm Jim
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SC2k4: 141/144 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Cloud

Everything will help Mario, especially RPGs on a console. ;)

I don't think so. Mario is so overexposed that it takes something pretty huge to increase him...
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I have no doubt that MC and Samus will be the most increased.

With good placement, MC can be Elite Eight/Final Four material. Granted, if he made the Final Four, he'd certainly be the weakest of them...but I can see him beating Solid Snake and Sonic both, two characters that have always been 1-or-2-seeds in the contest. If they got placed in the same division with MC as a 3-seed, he very well may take that division. Meanwhile, Samus is sitting pretty at 4th place this year, and MP2 for the GC and a demo of Hunters being packaged with the DS will do alot for her.

Solid Snake will get a decent boost if he gets a good role in MGS3, and if Link gets his game off in time he will likely have another victory, though I doublt it'll drop in time. You could argue that FF:AC will help Cloud and Sephiroth, too, but I don't think it'd be enough to let them beat Link, especially if he gets the game out in time. Heck, Gordon Freeman could maybe even get within 0.01% of winning!
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Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Also, Mario Pinball just came out, didn't it? That's a new genre that should bring a lot of fans to Mario.
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SC2k4: 141/144 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Cloud

As previously reported, Super Mario 64x4 is an updated version of the classic Nintendo platformer that has been rebuilt for multiplayer action on the new Nintendo DS. The multiplayer game is essentially a hunt for stars, with a new star appearing every time a player collects one. Once time runs out, the winner is the player with the most stars.

But 64x4 will have a single-player mode as well, which looks more like a remake of the original Super Mario 64 so far. But you'll still be able to take control of the game's four different characters in single-player mode. You can switch characters at will by tapping icons on the DS' lower, touch-sensitive screen. This certainly has the potential to allow for deeper, multicharacter puzzle-solving, but none of that was really displayed in the brief demo. Additionally, all four of the game's characters seemed to control and handle identically.

Control-wise, 64x4 does a good job of duplicating the original game's control, even without access to an analog joystick. The DS shoulder buttons are used to rotate the camera, and the system's Y button is used to sprint. It works pretty well, and controlling Mario, Luigi, Wario, or Yoshi is a breeze.

All told, Mario 64x4 seems like an interesting game, but it's difficult to tell from the short playable demo Nintendo is presenting. No release date for Super Mario 64x4 has been announced at this time.


That sounds pretty cool...
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Link gets his game off in time he will likely have another victory

Speaking of this, HM, where was that link to that rumor about Zelda XI's release date?
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I don't think so. Mario is so overexposed that it takes something pretty huge to increase him...

The only "elite" characters who haven't had more than enough exposure are Solid Snake, Cloud Strife, and Sephiroth. Everyone else has been around long enough and has enough titles within a series to increase without something huge. Heck, look at Link.
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The only "elite" characters who haven't had more than enough exposure are Solid Snake, Cloud Strife, and Sephiroth. Everyone else has been around long enough and has enough titles within a series to increase without something huge. Heck, look at Link.

Did you see chronton's reconizability survey? It obviously isn't the most scientific poll or anything, but Cloud was more recognized than Link was... I think that Link could do some improving of his own.

And you forgot Crono. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Speaking of this, HM, where was that link to that rumor about Zelda XI's release date?

Cube-Europe was told by "inside sources" that they could say with confidence Zelda XI would be released May 22nd, 2005 at the latest in Japan. That means North America would get it roughly a few months later (August-September). It's nothing, but a rumor now, although it does make some sense.

I'll find the link really quick.
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The only "elite" characters who haven't had more than enough exposure are Solid Snake, Cloud Strife, and Sephiroth. Everyone else has been around long enough and has enough titles within a series to increase without something huge. Heck, look at Link.

Crono has more exposure than Solid Snake?
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"Link is beating Crono because Crono doesn't speak!"
"...and Link does?"

Crono has more exposure than Solid Snake?

Must've slipped his mind. MGS was PSX's big release that year... I remember because OoT was released that year. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Did you see chronton's reconizability survey? It obviously isn't the most scientific poll or anything, but Cloud was more recognized than Link was... I think that Link could do some improving of his own.

Yes, but people who come to GameFAQs actually play games. Link is more than exposed to the auidence that comes to GameFAQs and votes, especially if he's stronger than Mario. I don't see why Paper Mario 2 couldn't do something when Link increases with a year of The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition and The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures.

And you forgot Crono. ;)

That I did.
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Cube-Europe was told by "inside sources" that they could say with confidence Zelda XI would be released May 22nd, 2005 at the latest in Japan. That means North America would get it roughly a few months later (August-September). It's nothing, but a rumor now, although it does make some sense.

I'll find the link really quick.

Thanks.

But isn't E3 in May? Like the 16 - 18th or something like that? I guess that would mean they would show a finished version at the show. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I don't see why Paper Mario 2 couldn't do something when Link increases with a year of The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition and The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures.

I really believe that many of those people who bought the bundle were not Zelda fans beforehand - they were taking advantage of a cheap console that happened to be bundled with some great games. It seems like the best reason for him to increase to me anyway...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Link didn't just increase. He had the 5th biggest increase this year (relative to Link 2k3 based on a static Mario). And three of the guys in front of him were hit by SFF (Sora, Kefka, Ness), and the other is Master Chief. It's really quite impressive what he managed this year.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

I really believe that many of those people who bought the bundle were not Zelda fans beforehand - they were taking advantage of a cheap console that happened to be bundled with some great games. It seems like the best reason for him to increase to me anyway...

I'm certainly not denying that it helped him increase, but for someone as strong as Link and with not nearly as many casual voters coming as before would say something. You also have Sonic increasing with Sonic Heroes, Sonic Battle, and Sonic Advance 3 released the previous year. I said it a while ago, it doesn't take the greatest game ever to change these characters popularity. Heck, look at Solid Snake dropping.
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I don't buy Mario staying static personally.
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I don't buy Mario staying static personally.

There's no way he should've decreased.
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Somebody has to stay constant to do proper SFF adjustments. Your choices are Cloud or Mario, and Cloud has proven to be erratic in the past, plus he's further from the middle of the increasing/decreasing pack (based on static Link) than Mario, plus using him inflates the SFF adjustments even more. It's not perfect, but I'm sticking with a static Mario.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

It isn't like it makes a big difference anyway. The difference between a static Mario and a slightly dropped Mario are so minute that they wouldn't sway the opinion on any match.
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If Mario stayed constant, then where did Crono's huge boost come from? I doubt that all of the percentage Crono gained was solely due to a Crono boost.
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ZSB [aX]

Wait, what was 2003 Crono projected to get on 2003 Link?
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ZSB [aX]

Link didn't just increase. He had the 5th biggest increase this year (relative to Link 2k3 based on a static Mario). And three of the guys in front of him were hit by SFF (Sora, Kefka, Ness), and the other is Master Chief. It's really quite impressive what he managed this year.

Wow. Quite impressive. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
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Wait, what was 2003 Crono projected to get on 2003 Link?

38.14%.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Wait, what was 2003 Crono projected to get on 2003 Link?

Link would've been projected to get 61.82% on a 2003 Crono.
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Does anyone have the non-SFF adjusted Xstats?
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"There are a dozen ways to think about a thing until you find out the answer. Then there's only one." -- C.S. Lewis

Crono got a boost of 2.49% based on 2k3 Link. As to where it came from, where did his boost last year come from? He went from being 3,000 cheat votes away from Mario to drawing nearly even with him. This site keeps getting more and more CT friendly, and I can't answer why.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Wow, maybe it was mostly Crono then. I just wonder where his boost came from to almost stay parallel to a massively increased Link.
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ZSB [aX]

For this year? There are a few. Mine are... less accepted since I assumed characters got SFFed a bit more than everyone else did.
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Link would've been projected to get 61.82% on a 2003 Crono.

http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

That says 38.14% for Crono or 61.86% for Link.
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Does anyone have the non-SFF adjusted Xstats

Sure. The last time I posted the non adjusted ones was a topic and a half ago, anyway.

1 Link 50.00
2 Cloud Strife 48.18
3 Sephiroth 42.40
4 Samus Aran 39.50
5 Crono 37.18
6 Mario 34.77
7 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.57
8 Mega Man 32.39
9 Ryu 29.85
10 Zero 28.50
11 Solid Snake 27.73
12 Auron 27.39
13 Sora 26.98
14 Master Chief 26.96
15 Frog 26.96
16 Liquid Snake 26.93
17 Dante 25.49
18 Vivi 25.23
19 Squall Leonhart 22.92
20 Tidus 22.82
21 KOS-MOS 22.61
22 Magus 22.47
23 Shadow 22.45
24 Knuckles 22.44
25 Donkey Kong 21.96
26 Tommy Vercetti 21.75
27 Tails 21.72
28 Jill Valentine 20.65
29 Ryu Hayabusa 20.65
30 Kirby 20.63
31 Bowser 20.41
32 Viewtiful Joe 19.63
33 Scorpion 19.25
34 Ness 19.15
35 Kefka 19.09
36 Duke Nukem 19.09
37 HK-47 18.59
38 Yoshi 18.26
39 Vyse 17.91
40 Jak 17.20
41 Luigi 16.62
42 Max Payne 16.55
43 Conker 16.37
44 Bomberman 16.16
45 Protoman 16.12
46 Crash Bandicoot 15.79
47 Sam Fisher 15.03
48 Kain 14.58
49 Laharl 14.25
50 Lara Croft 13.91
51 Gordon Freeman 13.40
52 Terry Bogard 12.86
53 CATS 12.71
54 Ganondorf 12.10
55 Sly Cooper 11.56
56 JC Denton 11.45
57 Earthworm Jim 11.03
58 Pac Man 10.73
59 Alucard 10.37
60 Ratchet 10.05
61 Ryo Hazuki 8.62
62 Luca Blight 8.52
63 Guybrush Threepwood 6.94
64 Tanner 3.16

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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Chalk it up to bad math. >.>
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I'm looking for straight X-stats, without any adjustment whatsoever.

Did anyone post them anywhere?
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"There are a dozen ways to think about a thing until you find out the answer. Then there's only one." -- C.S. Lewis

Chalk it up to bad math. >.>

*gives you a calculator*

^_~
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hm. I read that as SFF adjusted. Oops >_<
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Thanks!
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"There are a dozen ways to think about a thing until you find out the answer. Then there's only one." -- C.S. Lewis

The non-adjusted stats are painful to look at.
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The non-adjusted stats are painful to look at.

The highlight of the non-adjusted stats -

53 CATS 12.71
54 Ganondorf 12.10

Poor Moltar. XD

By the way, that 12.71 should be 12.17%.
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Hey, at least Tanner's even more of a joke without 20XXDF helping him.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Curses! I thought I corrected that typo.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Shouldn't Ryu be ahead of Jill in non-SFF adjusted stats?
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"There are a dozen ways to think about a thing until you find out the answer. Then there's only one." -- C.S. Lewis

He ordered it wierd. And Ryu is ahead of her in both. Notice how he has Master Chief ahead of Frog too?
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I am no good with stats...on the UNADJUSTED X-stats, just for fun, what would Duke Nukem get on Alucard?
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Shouldn't Ryu be ahead of Jill in non-SFF adjusted stats?

They're tied. It's just the way Excel decided to sort them, because Excel hates me with a passion.

*glares at Excel*
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Alucard would get 27.16%.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

I am no good with stats...on the UNADJUSTED X-stats, just for fun, what would Duke Nukem get on Alucard?

Milkem would get 72.84%, probably more due the TMF (The Milkem Factor).
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

It's too bad Tails couldn't beat Dante.

Sonic vs. Tails would be about 92-8. So funny.
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"There are a dozen ways to think about a thing until you find out the answer. Then there's only one." -- C.S. Lewis

Alucard would get 27.16%

Milkem would get 72.84%, probably more due the TMF (The Milkem Factor).

2002: Alucard beat Duke Nukem, who had 38.49% of the votes. Amazing how screwed up the stats are this year, really. Flat-out amazing.
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59 Alucard 10.37

Heh... his plan backfired, horribly =)
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Alucard's plan was flawless, what are you talking about?

www.lostfate.com/exthanemesis/ALUCARDSPLANFINAL.JPG

See?
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Not even Alucard can avoid the banner with the cursed "I'M CONSTIPATED!!!" face.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Randomness: Unless I did a calculation wrong, Dante would beat unadjusted Kirby with 59.53%.
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Wow, Alucard's so awesome he even gets his own font!
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Randomness: Unless I did a calculation wrong, Dante would beat unadjusted Kirby with 59.53%.

Don't let ertyu know. ;)
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I have unadjusted Dante beating unadjusted Kirby with 61.78%
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Alucard just took care of the gamefly guy.

www.lostfate.com/exthanemesis/ALUCARDSPLANFINAL2.JPG
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Ah, the joy of FireFox...
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

I don't see Alucard anywhere in the bracket below the poll though! How is he so damn sneaky?
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Division 1

1)Link
16)Tanner

8)KOS-MOS
9)Vivi

5)Bowser
12)Crash Bandicoot

4)Frog
13)Conker

6)Zelda
11)HK-47

3)Aeris
14)Sora

7)Knuckles
10)Ness

2)Cloud
15)Earthworm Jim


Division 2

1)Sephiroth
16)JC Denton

8)Luigi
9)Ryu Hayabusa

5)Alucard
12)Vyse

4)Liquid Snake
13)Fox McCloud

6)Ganondorf
11)Viewtiful Joe

3)Zero
14)Lara Croft

7)Yoshi
10)Leon Kennedy

2)Solid Snake
15)Ryo Hazuki


Division 3

1)Samus Aran
16)Guybrush Threepwood

8)Carl Johnson
9)Protoman

5)Auron
12)Max Payne

4)Master Chief
13)Sam Fisher

6)Dante
11)Serge

3)Magus
14)Terry Bogard

7)Shadow
10)Vincent Valentine

2)Mega Man
15)Sly Cooper


Division 4

1)Crono
16)Ratchet

8)Donkey Kong
9)Tails

5)Squall Leonhart
12)Jak

4)Ryu(SF)
13)Laharl

6)Kirby
11)Kerrigan

3)Sonic the Hedgehog
14)Kefka

7)Tidus
10)Scorpion

2)Mario
15)Luca Blight

Ok so I put a bracket together by using rpguy's stats and I've also considered some new and possible returning characters. I didn't mean to put Mario and Crono in the same bracket either. It just sort of happened when I was putting this together
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Rock Man, you will always be a champ in my eyes. One day you will win.

I don't see Alucard anywhere in the bracket below the poll though! How is he so damn sneaky?

I know not how he does it.... but one thing is for certain.

http://aatap.ytmnd.com
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

I know not how he does it.... but one thing is for certain.

http://aatap.ytmnd.com

lol. Go Alucard. It is all according to his plans. ^_^

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Rock Man, you will always be a champ in my eyes. One day you will win.

That strangely sounded alot like I do, I think.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

It's over! Been a long time since I posted in these stats topics. I've missed like 10 or 15 of them completely (though I managed to archive most).

Anyway, I've put up my version of the extrapolated standings. Looks like a bunch of others have already beat me to it though :)

The Same Fanbase Factor Adjusted Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

The Unadjusted Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k4_extrapolated.htm


Just like last year, I used Excel Solver to minimize various sum of squared differences between yearly values to estimate a constant scalar. This is basically done to adjust for yearly changes in Link, so call it the "Link Scalar".

The Link Scalar has is not directly related to the "% against Link" column (though it is indirectly related--see the discussion about Mega Man below). The Link Scalar is what was used to find the "% against Link '03" and "% against Cloud '03" columns.

Last year, the optimal scalar was almost 1--implying that Link did not change. Not so this year--under every permutation I tried (excluding various groups of characters), the optimal scalar was always over 1.05. The clear preponderance of evidence says that Link increased anywhere from 5% to 10%.

Adjusting for obvious SFF was of course simple, as I merely set the values of SFF affected characters against Link '03 equal to their SC2K3 extrapolated values. Note that against Link '04, their actual value would depend on the Link Scalar. This amounted to increasing their values by the following amounts (not taking into account the Link Scalar):

Ganon: +186.95%
Magus: +55.46%
Bowser: +51.77%
Yoshi: +48.13%
Squall: +38.38%

These increases then trickled down to the opponents these SFF affected characters defeated, and downward (Alucard, Luca Blight, Luigi, Pac-Man, etc.)
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The optimal Link Scalar--optimized while excluding the math for characters who were affected by SFF in 2004, as well as Ness, Auron, and Tails (since they may have been SFF affected in 2003), and also Lara and Sam Fisher (who seemingly dropped way off in popularity)--turned out to be 1.0991. In other words, it is estimated that Link increased 9.91% in popularity. In order to get Mario 2K4 equal to Mario 2K3, you actually have to increase his 2K4 value by 9.8%--so this 9.91% scalar basically amounts setting Mario 2K4=Mario 2K3, and adjusting everyone else from there. This makes sense, since Mario would presumably be a stable character.

However, this doesn't take into account the Mega Man anomaly. It is questionable whether this should be taken into account at all. I have not read the discussion, so I have no idea what people's stances are on this. However I suspect there may have been some sort of strange SFF in that match--or, perhaps the split "PWNing the opponent" pictures actually favored Link heavily. I think the latter is a very real possibility; such overtly biased pictures are probably a lot more likely to result in pic factor than regular pics, and Link's "good" pic might have benefited him much more than Mega Man's "good" pic helped him. In any case, I did attempt to account for the Mega Man anomaly in my SFF-adjusted standings.

If you simply do not include Mega Man, and everyone that "trickles" under him, into the scalar calculation then the optimal scalar becomes 1.076. I, however, decided to also incorporate a second scalar value--the Mega Man Scalar. This scalar was the value by which Mega Man, and likewise everyone under him, was inflated.

Simultaneously adjusting both the overall constant and the Mega Man constant results in the following figures:
Link Scalar: 1.062
Mega Man Scalar: 1.1258

This is actually not all that different from keeping Cloud constant--he declined 6.75% relative to Link (i.e., he needs to be raised by 7.24%). So, for the sake of simplicity and easy comparison across years, I made the Link Scalar 1.072415, and re-calculated the Mega Man constant to 1.11488.

As I mentioned above, while the Link Scalar is not directly related to the "% against Link" column, it is indirectly related to that column because the Mega Man Scalar--which is included in the "% against Link" column--was calculated while also calculating the Link Scalar.

Thus, after all this, I derive my version of the SFF-adjusted rankings. In these rankings, in addition to SFF adjustments, it is assumed that Link increased in popularity by 7.24% between 2K3 and 2K4, and that Mega Man suffered about 11.5% SFF/pic factor/unknown underperformace against Link that was adjusted for.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

Ah, and here comes creativename, who gives me reference to all the stats. You truly do rule.
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Wow. The unadjusted stats put Ryu into the top nine. ^_^
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Rock Man, you will always be a champ in my eyes. One day you will win.

CN, you really need to fully explain your method in simpler terms. I don't think anyone understand much or any of what you just said.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

creativename reminds me of Keith Jackson (the announcer). Once every couple years, they unfreeze him and run him out for a BCS game, where he just dominates the play-by-play. A thing of artistic beauty. And then they chriogenically refreeze him for the next Orange Bowl title game.

Change years with topics, and play-by-play with insane stat analysis, and you creativename, are Keith Jackson. And ooooooooh let me tell you about creativename.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Wow creative, this was glorious. =)
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

I think a summary is in order:

*In order to account for Link's apparent increase in strength, everyone's values for the "% against Link '03" column are increased by 7.24%--the amount that would set Cloud 2K4=Cloud 2K3. e.g., Sephiroth increased from 42.4% against Link '04 to 45.47% against Link '03. Cloud actually probably declined a slight bit, but for our purposes this is close enough.

*I adjusted for obvious SFF by setting their % against Link '03 to how they ranked in 2K3. e.g., Ganon had a rank of 34.72% against Link in 2K3; 34.72%/1.0724=32.38% against Link The 2004 Version.

*I increased Mega Man, and everyone below him (Tidus, Shadow, Zero, etc.) by 11.488%. For the "% against Link in '03" column, this is in addition to the Link Scalar increase.

Note that I made no attempt to increase Tidus or Shadow's values. Their declines do becomes less precipitous after accounting for the Link and Mega Man scalars--a 20.6% decline for Tidus, and a 22% decline for Shadow. However those are still pretty large declines, especially for such (formerly) strong characters. But unlike with Mega Man, there's just not enough data to try and adjust for this. Best to just simply chalk it up to model error/Tidus underperformance/Mega Man overperformance/volatility/unknown factors/whatever, and move on.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

How did you determine how much Link and Mega Man changed though?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

creative, the Expected Seed column in the unadjusted standings is screwed up...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

So, basically, CN used a static Cloud to create a scalar value to adjust by in SFF matches. I did the same thing, except I used Mario. So in his way, anybody adjusted for SFF will appear at a higher percentage than mine.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

I like the rankings creativename, but I'm still skeptical about Magus and Ganondorf being separated from Tidus like that. I gave my reasons, but I'll just do my own rankings whenever I get the time. Won't be anytime soon.... I have 2 tests and an operating systems program due this week and I have a test next week.... (-_-)

RPGuy, can you send me the excel file? My e-mail address is MiamiNole21@yahoo.com.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Kick ass, creativename. We can always depend on you for that there math hocus-pocus mumbo-jumbo ;)

So, I guess it's official now that Magus is in the Noble Nine and Solid Snake is out? Cool.
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RPGuy, can you send me the excel file? My e-mail address is MiamiNole21@yahoo.com.

It has been sent.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

So, I guess it's official now that Magus is in the Noble Nine and Solid Snake is out? Cool.

I'd go with an Elite Eight myself...Magus is closer to Zero (11th) than to Sonic (8th)...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
Guru Masters nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm pwned me!

Just wondering, are you planning to keep sc2k4.com as sc2k4.com or change to something like sc2k5.com for next year's contest?
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nifboy decimated me in the Summer 2004 Contest!

ExThaNemesis:
Ah, and here comes creativename, who gives me reference to all the stats. You truly do rule.

Why, thank you :0)

MasterMage:
CN, you really need to fully explain your method in simpler terms. I don't think anyone understand much or any of what you just said.

Hmmm...not sure if I'm capable of making it less obtuse. Maybe I'll give it a shot later, but I'm going to bed now :)

tnote:
creativename reminds me of Keith Jackson (the announcer). Once every couple years, they unfreeze him and run him out for a BCS game, where he just dominates the play-by-play. A thing of artistic beauty. And then they chriogenically refreeze him for the next Orange Bowl title game.

Change years with topics, and play-by-play with insane stat analysis, and you creativename, are Keith Jackson. And ooooooooh let me tell you about creativename.

I don't really follow college football, but I'm sure that must be a big compliment.

I do avidly follow the NFL however--and my Giants are doing great :) Of course, I fully expected Kurt Warner to be very good--I have no idea why anyone would be suprised about that--and knew that our offense would be among the better ones in the league; however, I'm as surprised as anyone about our defense. I think our starting safeties, who are now injured, were just awful; and that their backups are better. Gibril Wilson might just be a defensive rookie of the year contender.

Um...anyway. I don't think it's appropriate to say I'm unfrozen every few years--I posted in these topics as much as anybody! It's just that after Frog lost my interest in the contest diminished somewhat, and also I started a new job a couple weeks ago and don't have as much free time anymore :\

King Morgoth:
Wow creative, this was glorious. =)

Yet another smiley :)

creative, the Expected Seed column in the unadjusted standings is screwed up...

Thanks. I'll fix that in a minute.

MasterMage:
How did you determine how much Link and Mega Man changed though?

Pretty much what RPGuy said. Link almost certainly went up by 5% to 10% in geometric terms (e.g, Link The 2004 Version would be expected to beat Link 2K3 with 52.5%-55%...if such a match were possible). This was calculated by just seeing what caused the least difference between the 2K3 rankings and the 2K4 rankings, using Excel Solver.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

CN, if you get a chance, could you look over what I did to arrive at my XS? Check it out here:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16685183

If you don't have the time, no big deal, but I'd like to hear your input.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

I like the Sonic series, but some of Sonic's fans are the most annoying fans in all of gaming. The Nintendo/Square stereotype doesn't even come close to some of the Sonic fans I've met on this board, and half the reason I root for Sonic to do as badly as he can is because it's a truly funny thing to watch.

Now creativename, a couple of things. The Analysis Crew's topic has almost hit 500 posts. Can you archive it before it purges?

I reposted my SC2K3 analysis on the Archon 2 board. Can you archive it?

Did you catch FrostHarpy's link? It has all the match pics for the final on it. If not, the URL is a php file, not a jpg.

And dude, stop taking all these extended breaks. We like you too much =)
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

I like the Sonic series, but some of Sonic's fans are the most annoying fans in all of gaming. The Nintendo/Square stereotype doesn't even come close to some of the Sonic fans I've met on this board, and half the reason I root for Sonic to do as badly as he can is because it's a truly funny thing to watch.

What stimulated that? o.0
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

So, I guess it's official now that Magus is in the Noble Nine and Solid Snake is out?

Magus was there last year; people are just ignorant.

Creative, why did you use a static assumption for Link instead of a static assumption for a character who has been historically consistent, such as Mario or Ryu?
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

What stimulated that? o.0

ForthDeus's incessant anti-everyone-but-Sonic whining the past two days.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

ForthDeus's incessant anti-everyone-but-Sonic whining the past two days.

Oh that guy. Ugh. I take it you were reading through the topic just now then.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

I think I'm gonna go to bed.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

That I was. This isn't the only topic where he has been whining, either. It pretty much boils down to people not being able to accept that not everyone likes their favorite character in the way they do.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Deus isn't anti-everyone but Sonic, he's just anti-Mega Man. He's just focusing on Sonic because of the whole "Sonic in 10th, kick him out of the Noble Nine!" stuff since 2K3, when the unaltered Xstats have Sonic ahead of Mega.
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nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

There was never a Noble Nine in my eyes to begin with, and Magus has a far better case to be there than Sonic does. When Mario is used as the static charcater instead of Link, Magus places ahead of Sonic. Using Link isn't all that reliable, considering that most characters tend to underperform against him.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Well he was specifically ripping into me for having Magus over Sonic in my adjusted XS.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Yeah. I consider myself a Sonic fan, but not nearly so passionate that I ever complain when he loses, or even post topics begging for Sonic support.

I am however passionately anti-Mega Man, and have no problems admitting it. >.>

Also, for the record, I am utterly loyal to Sonic and Mario above all characters in this contest unless it DIRECTLY affects real life (like my Ryu over Sonic pick could have potentially).
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Thanks. And I just read the other topic. I don't know if that was directed at me, but I wasn't *****ing at your X-Stats. I just disagree with Magus and Ganondorf's placement. It's not like where they stand even matters besides for Luca and Alucard. Everything else is fine. I was one of the first ones suggesting Link/Mega Man "pseudo-SFF" when most others were saying that it was ridiculous. I'm just going to work all the factors I can into solving the mystery behind all of those characters.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Sonic wouldn't beat Mega Man, regardless of stats.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Sonic wouldn't beat Mega Man, regardless of stats.

Of course not.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Although I would be amazingly happy if the only competition Sonic could get in these contest was from Mario... The two of them being heads and shoulders above the rest of course.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

When Mario is used as the static charcater instead of Link, Magus places ahead of Sonic.

Er, not quite. He's a good 1.5% below him in my version using a static Mario, and 1% behind in CN's version using a static Cloud.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Okay seriously. Bed time now.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

I remember getting e-tarred and e-feathered for even suggesting some form, any form, of Mega Man/Link SFF. Pshaw.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

I like Sonic, but you never hear me being unrealistic about where he should stand. A lot of people on this board don't care for Sonic, but I'm cool with it! Sometimes Magus fans are just as annoying to me, but I don't really care because I like Magus too. :P The only characters I really DON'T care for in this contest are Ness and Sephiroth. <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Why is it that I never saw anyone mentioning this Link/Mega SFF?!?! I would have promptly agreed... I think there was a two day lapse in my visitation of this topic though... I always thought there would be a bit of SFF since Mega Man is basically popular through Nintendo.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Fixed the seeds for the unadjusted standings.

TRE:
Just wondering, are you planning to keep sc2k4.com as sc2k4.com or change to something like sc2k5.com for next year's contest?

Don't know. We don't know if there's gonna be an SC2K5. Probably will be, but it's uclear if it'll be a character contest. I think Ceej plans on some new contests, going by today's poll--but I guess that's just stating the obvious :|

RPGuy96:
CN, if you get a chance, could you look over what I did to arrive at my XS?

Sure, though I might not get the chance for a few days. But I have no idea what input I might give. You know your stuff as well as anybody :)

Ulti:
The Analysis Crew's topic has almost hit 500 posts. Can you archive it before it purges?

I reposted my SC2K3 analysis on the Archon 2 board. Can you archive it?

Done, though I don't know when I'll get the chance to put it up.

Did you catch FrostHarpy's link? It has all the match pics for the final on it. If not, the URL is a php file, not a jpg.

Didn't see this link, but I've put up the pictures already. There were 8 of them, right?

And dude, stop taking all these extended breaks. We like you too much =)

Real Life sucks :\ But I'm sure you knew that ^_^

Creative, why did you use a static assumption for Link instead of a static assumption for a character who has been historically consistent, such as Mario or Ryu?

I kept Cloud constant. Link went up; in my numbers, by 7.2%, though anything from 5%-10% is reasonable. Increasing Link by 10% would be about the same as keeping Mario constant.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

Frog is easily my favorite in the contest, and knowing he would slap up over 90% on Tanner is enough for me to put the stamp of approval on anyone's XSs.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Say Ulti, could I join that analysis crew next contest?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

Heroic Mario led the charge, more or less questioning whether or not Leonhart and I were of sound mind and body (others commmented on their thoughts of this possible SFF, but we were the ones whose sanity he addressed).
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Snake wont have a problem beating Magus, Zero or Sonic next year (if he faces one of them) Thanks to Metal Gear Solid 3 :)
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Solid Snake owns.

Increasing Link by 10% would be about the same as keeping Mario constant.

Actually, 8.92%, but I won't nitpick. ;)
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Oops, forgot to respond to this:

smitelf:
So, I guess it's official now that Magus is in the Noble Nine and Solid Snake is out? Cool.

Repeat after me: There is no Noble Nine. There is no Noble Nine. There is no Noble Nine. There is no Noble Nine.


I've been saying forever that the Noble Nine concept doesn't make consistent sense, and isn't necessary.

Though IMO, Magus vs. Snake would be quite difficult to call.

But if you were to put Magus up there, you'd have to put Ganon in as well...and honestly, how could you give that much respect to a guy who ranked 54th unadjusted???
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

I'm surprised HM said it was ridiculous. It was obvious to me after Crono did better on Link than Mega Man. But I don't think it's because Link and Mega Man have the SAME fanbase. I think it's more of Cloud, Crono and the Square gang having such a DIFFERENT fanbase. This is why I question Magus's match in 2k3. Yes, he is that strong in the extrapolated if compared to Link because he WILL most likely do better against Link than Sonic. It's using that as his strength against others that I doubt. But that most likely will be my personal advantage in any future contests.... <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yep, I agree there is no Noble Nine. Sonic may be slightly stronger, but not by enough to warrant a separate group. Zero has just enough a reason to be as popular as Sonic. Ryu, Magus... same can be said.

These are matches I MUST see in the future. I know I sound like a broken record....

Sonic vs. Magus

Snake vs. Zero
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Actually, 8.92%, but I won't nitpick. ;)

Hmm...my numbers have it as 9.8%. Mario declined by 8.93%, but to correct that you have to increase him by 9.8%, in order to match the magnitude of the change. But if that's your mistake, I won't nitpick ;)


As for the Mega Man anomaly: it might be some weird hero SFF--that's what first popped into my head when I saw the result.

Though really, like I said before, I think it's more likely to be a pic factor. Link's "good" pic might've been more effective than Mega Man's "good" pic. Mega Man didn't look like traditional Mega Man in his good pic either.

Pics are probably more likely to make a difference when they're so biased/one-sided, with one character victorious over the other. Even if each does get a victory pic just as often as the other. (speaking of which, were there any threads on people posting how often they got each pic? They probably were 50/50, and that's what it seemed like to me when I refreshed them, but Ceej has been known to mess up before)

In Link vs. Cloud, not only were there a bunch of pics, so the effects of each would be diluated, but they weren't one-sided pics. And in Cloud vs. Samus the pics seemed alright (though Samus was unrecognizable in the one pic; maybe that did hurt her, who knows).
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

Hmm...my numbers have it as 9.8%. Mario declined by 8.93%, but to correct that you have to increase him by 9.8%, in order to match the magnitude of the change. But if that's your mistake, I won't nitpick ;)

And that's what I get for trying to argue with you.

To bed with me!
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Crono > Mega. That's all.

I'm glad to see MegaMan not rank in the supertop echelons this time around. Samus and Crono = Instant win.

Now to get Cloud and Sephiroth out of there... >.>

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If you add monster truck tires to the Pope-mobile, religion suddenly becomes funny - SSJ3 Popo

No, now to get Cloud and Link out of there. I'll take lower vote totals in exchange for a better, more exciting bracket.

And I don't dislike Sonic at all. I just find some of his fans to be God-awful annoying.

creativename: Real life always sucks when you're a Giants fan =)

Anyhoo, thanks for archiving those topics. Posting them on your site is no rush, but I was concerned for Moltar's topic. It's going to hit 500 posts within a day or two, and I wanted it archived before the purge.

Current Analysis Crew, if Moltar agrees:

Master Moltar
UltimaterializerX
CenaStone
MasterMage119

I was also going to extend invites to Mumei and Heroic Mario if they were interested, and I've already asked Moltar if it was okay. That would give us six people, which is more than enough.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Heroic Mario in the analysis crew?
While Heroic Mario is generally good at stats...
Some of his predictions are really out there, the ones regarding his favourite characters.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Heh, that would be half the fun of him being in it.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Add him; his predictions will bring me great joy and pleasure at the extremes of percentages for certain characters...which is right about 50% of the time.
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Question: Who owned some major ass in the Guru Prediction Contest?
Answer: Nifboy, fools...nifboy.

Why do we need a crew telling us picks, doesn't everyone do this in less words?
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Faithful Paladin of nifboy, the master guru of all the land!

well, so far, today's poll sucks:

Should winning characters be retired from future contests?

No, that doesn't make sense 19.4% 1355
No, but it should be less predictable 24.75% 1729
Maybe, but it wouldn't help 7.9% 552
Yes, it's too predictable 47.95% 3349
TOTAL VOTES 6985

i've never been in favor of retiring winning characters because they could also change in popularity over time. if people really didn't want Link or Cloud to win, then they wouldn't vote for them. plus, it would take away two of this contest's biggest vote-getters. but this poll is not a good sign. so far, half of all people want Cloud and Link retired. if Ceej uses these polls to influence future brackets, we could see our previous winners booted out. bleh.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

... I wouldn't be interested in a contest without the most popular characters. Period.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Does it just say previous winners? I guess it wouldn't be SO terrible to have one year without Cloud or Link. it wouldn't really change the predictability though. That's the bracket's fault. If Cloud and Link are gone, Samus and Sephiroth dominate the field.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me. Nifboy is an amazing, god-like diety.

removing the Link and Cloud would be utterly stupid. It would remove the most popular, highest-vote getting characters and would most certainly ensure a Sephiroth or Samus champion the next year.
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My bracket is still crying over Nifboy's owning in the Guru contest.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

I disagree.

We can still have a unpredictable bracket with Link and Cloud in it.
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

I second you all, folks. For all the reasons you mentioned, plus, Link vs. Cloud can still honestly go either way next year as well.

How hypocritical of the voters to vote Link and Cloud every chance they get, then say they should go.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Look... the "less predictable" option is getting a good chunk of the votes, and CJayC putting it there is probably his admission that his bracket sucked. Think he'd be more willing to hear our ideas given that?
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

I like the results, next year Sephy will win...
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This user is my god
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what do you mean with out Cloud or Link next year Samus has this contest won.
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Nah.. Without Cloud or Link next year.. Sephiroth will win with Samus being close behind..


BTW: Has the winner of the guru contest decided a sig for us yet?

*points to sig*
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Geez, I may very well pack up my bags and leave this board if Cloud and Link are retired. What the **** is the point oif a popularity contest without the most popular characters?

People assume that Link and Cloud are going to rule the contest for millions of years to come, but really, it's only a matter of time until the next FFVII or Ocarina of Time is released, thus boosting some other character to elite status.

All Ceej will accomplish by doing something this ****ing stupid is lower vote totals and the level of interest from the general public.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Geez, I may very well pack up my bags and leave this board if Cloud and Link are retired. What the **** is the point oif a popularity contest without the most popular characters?

Same here. If they go, I go too.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

I'll have to take my leave doing season if this comes to pass.. I'd be a lueser for 2 months or so I guess
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Faithful Paladin of nifboy, the master guru of all the land!

What did we say about interest going down already? Hah.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

As much as I agree with you I don't think I would have the guts to leave this board with so many people here that I know.
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Think about it, if the bracket is good enough, we will have more interesting matches. We don't need Clink.
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Number 50 in the SC2K4!

Think about it, if the bracket is good enough, we will have more interesting matches. We don't need Clink.

Wow. You really don't get it, do you?

Clink is NOT the reason this contest was so boring. It was the overabundance of SFF and otherwise easy-to-call matches.

Stick Clink in the same division, HOLY CRAP! The contest just got interesting again. Hell, you don't even need to do that in order to make a good bracket. Just throw out some wicked 8 vs. 9's and 5 vs. 4's and the problem is already solved.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

But if we put Link and Cloud in the same division, the victorious one will take the tournament. And another year, and another, and another...that's stupid.
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Number 50 in the SC2K4!

If Clink leaves, I leave. Retiring those two is the worst way to fix the bracket.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

We can make an interesting bracket with Clink, but with some new games coming out in the market some characters may start going to those places.
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Who cares if Link or Cloud wins??? If it makes you happy, call whoever gets to the finals with one of them your winner. Or have a 3rd place match. Hell, if it makes you happy, put Link/Cloud in an early round. It wouldn't be fair to the winning character if Link and Cloud WEREN'T in the contest. I'd still like to know how popular they REALLY are....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

As I mentioned in another topic, take out Clink and have the winner of the next contest face Clink in a 3-way poll. Question is, who could possibly win without being SFF'ed to death by one of the two? And if, say, Sephy won that, would the SFF all go to Cloud, or some to Link as well?

Taking out Clink also *guarantees* a new elite 8 contender, unless Scorpion goes berzerk again. Thought I'd point that out.

Will also point out the selection of the #5 seed topic in that bracket I'm making:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16701595

It's on the front page right now anyway.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Putting Link/Seph/Cloud in the same division guarantees a new elite 8 contender as well. But it doesn't even matter. It's the MATCHUPS that matter, not the net result of the contest.
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SC2K4: 188/192 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Putting Link/Seph/Cloud in the same division guarantees a new elite 8 contender as well. But it doesn't even matter. It's the MATCHUPS that matter, not the net result of the contest.


Yeah, I think it is boring to see the same winners every year but the good matches are the actual "thing" in the contest.
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Number 50 in the SC2K4!

Taking out Link and Cloud doesn't make this contest any less predictable. Who are you going to replace them with? You just need to use them more efficiently. Honestly, it was fun just seeing how much Link and Cloud could dominate to compare who would win between them. It doesn't matter who you put in their place. It's not going to give us any fewer predictable matches.

Goodness, next year we're going to have everyone whining that Samus and Sephiroth are winning too easily, and they need to be taken out. That doesn't solve anything.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

True we can make lots of matches with Clink in them. Link vs. Sephiroth in round 4 then Cloud would be interesting. Or we can have Samus vs. Sephiroth in round 4 or 5 there's tons of matches we can make.
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congrates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

I actually find it amusing that people are complaining because the most popular characters are winning a popularity contest. All taking them out does is figure out who's 3rd most popular. That's between Sephiroth, Samus, Mega Man, and maybe Mario with Link out. But you don't need to take out Cloud and Link to figure out who's the most popular out of them. Just stick them all on the same side of the bracket.

Removing Cloud and Link most likely won't change the order of everyone else's popularity.....
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SC2K4: 188/192 "There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I want to take Link and Cloud out... but if it means all you guys would leave... then man that's a tough decision. I voted to retire them because it's boring as hell having one of them win every year. I want someone else to have a chance. And no one would complain about Sephiroth and Samus getting to the finals untouched because it's never happened before.

Plus, I think with Echoes, Samus may have a legit shot of actually beating Sephy. I dunno, I guess it's just me being a Sephiroth fan and being sick of Link or Cloud beating him every year. Whatever the decision is, I'll be here next year to watch it.
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Without Link and Cloud, here's how the next two contests play out:

2005- Sephiroth
2006- Samus

Wow, that's really less predictable. I can hardly tell who the next two winners will be.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

By the time we get to Cloud or Link in the finals, the contest is already over. What's there to complain about? Matches involving Clink take up a very small percentage of the contest, especially if you put them in the same division. I don't necessarily agree making the biggest match of the contest worth fewer points than an easily predictable Final Four and finals afterwards, but that seems to be what everyone here wants.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Clink was never the problem with this bracket. Except for Mario/Crono & Link/Cloud there wasn't any real brain-busting matchups past the 1st round. (At least for me) Way too many same-series matchups for my tastes.

There are too many good matchups between the upper charactes out there we haven't seen yet, and once we start seeing them, the bracket will get interesting again.

On the one hand, I've always thought taking out past winners was absurdly stupid.

On the other hand, I'm a big believer in democracy--and if the people want to take Link and Cloud out...well, the people should get what they want. This is a contest for the people, after all.

But I would expect Sephiroth to become possibly a larger bracket favorite than even Link was in 2K3. I believe that the contest becomes even more obvious without Link and Cloud than with them--talk all you want about Crono and Samus and maybe Mega Man, but I just can't see any of them challenging Sephiroth. So instead of two guys heads and shoulders ahead of everybody else, you've got one.

Also, we'd never get to see what Advent Children--or, more importantly IMO, Chain of Memories--do for Cloud! I'm not sure whether Advent Children would make much difference, but introducing Cloud into the Nintendo fanbase might be very significant. I really want to see how that plays out.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

Well right now it is 45.04% saying No, 7.58% saying Maybe (basically undecided), and 47.38% saying Yes.

*waves No flag*

I agree with Leonhart that comparing their wins on the way up here and seeing how bad they could decimate the competition actually does have its appeal.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Just imagine this...CJayC looks at the results and decides to give the people want they want. From that point on, all future winners will be retired.

Very first division of 2005 bracket reads:

(1) Cloud Strife

And no Link in sight.

...Uh oh.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Just imagine this...CJayC looks at the results and decides to give the people want they want. From that point on, all future winners will be retired.

Very first division of 2005 bracket reads:

(1) Cloud Strife

And no Link in sight.

...Uh oh.

Just wonderful. ;>_>


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You have convinced me.

*Waves NO flag*
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Number 50 in the SC2K4!

I remember Chichiri's little thing on SS awhile back that his sig refers to. That was great. =)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I still Samus/Sephiroth next year would be a decent match, especially is Sephiroth is not that prominently involved in any of the FFVII stuff being released (and I don't believe he is). But once one of them wins it, then the other has a cakewalk the next year, and really we are not all that far away from seeing a Sonic or Snake contend for the title. Though lord know I personally will not be around to ever see that happen (thank you adult hood!) some of the younger people on this site will be. And I weep for the future if that is the case. Nothing against either of them, but they have no business winning a best character ever contest judged solely as a popularity contest.
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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

Putting Link/Seph/Cloud in the same division guarantees a new elite 8 contender as well. But it doesn't even matter. It's the MATCHUPS that matter, not the net result of the contest.

Eh? Putting those in the same division guarantees a boring final, one boring semi final, one potentially good semi (if you've got Samus-MM, say) and some ridiculous matches in the Clinkeroth division. It doesn't guarantee a new elite 8 contender at all, unless you're putting all those three in the same half-division. Which would mean one of them having a 5 seed or worse.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

I don't know why he would actually take them out. The average match this year had about 83,900 votes in it. Their match had 124,353 votes in it - a difference of over 40,000 votes. They usually had 83,000 - 94,000 votes in any of their polls, and usually towards to upper half.

Doesn't he want the traffic that they bring...?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sephiroth doesn't have to be prominently involved in Advent Children. If he appears at all, and if he has the end-all, be-all final battle with Cloud, just hand him the championship in a Clink-less bracket.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Karma post of the day :)
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I may be an Elite, a Guru, an Expert even..but even I pale in worthiness to the one called nifboy this contest...

"Somebody had the idea awhile back to make a Best Game Ever contest with NONE of the original games that made it in..."

That would be I. And don't anyone think I'm not still toying with it.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

It's stupid to delete the winners, we'll end up with only crappy characters after some years
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www.opm2.info :O

I'm all for getting Clink out of this contest. There is no point in holding it when we know for a fact that they will dominate.

And yes, Sephiroth and Samus look really powerful after that. But can you truly guarantee a win for either of them? We don't know where all of the Link/Cloud support would go after they're gone, which is a huge part of why the contest would be hard again. Will the Link/Cloud fans go support other Nintendo/Square characters? If so, which ones? Will they vote at all? It would make a Clink-less bracket interesting to think about. Even if Sephiroth wins next year, Samus winning in 2006 is no guarantee. Samus may have been strong this year, but she has yet to face elites like Mega Man, Mario, or Crono. She has some more convincing to do, in my eyes.

The contest will always come down to Cloud vs Link so long as they're left in the bracket, and even though decent ideas were posed in this topic to go against it, most people are sick of seeing them win all the time. I'm one of those people. Whether you stick them in the same division or on opposite sides of the bracket, only worrying about where to place two characters simply because their success is guaranteed makes everything else suffer. Look at the 2004 bracket. All CJayC really did was plug Cloud and Link on opposite sides of the bracket, followed by an easy-to-make company bracket. Honestly, I can't see the 2004 bracket taking him longer than 30 minutes to make, at most.

Most people in the topic don't like the idea much, but I do. I'm sick of seeing Cloud, Link, and FF7 dominate these contests. I love them as games/characters, but they've made the contest very jaded with many of the people that follow/vote in it.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Why is everyone assuming that Advent Children is going to be such a huge factor?
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

It depends on how good the movie is , but I don't think it will be a huge factor... it will boost them a little , but only little is needed to beat link ...
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www.opm2.info :O

Heck, Chichiri and I both made SpC brackets with all new entries, and our games barely overlapped. A new bracket is simply the most logical thing to do, I believe.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

I'll join that analysis crew if the option is still out there for me to do so.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

For the Link/Cloud ordeal; I'm totally against removing them from the bracket. I've said this many times, but sticking them in the same division creates four divisions with no guaranteed winner. None. Yes, we know who would win the contest, but we know who would win without them in it as well.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

Analysis Crew:

Master Moltar
UltimaterializerX
CenaStone
Heroic Mario
MasterMage119

Cool, now we just need to see if Mumei accepts =)
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

but I just can't see any of them challenging Sephiroth. So instead of two guys heads and shoulders ahead of everybody else, you've got one.

Sephiroth wins against Samus, this year, with ~54% of the vote. The only thing Sephiroth as coming within this year is Advent Children; on the flip side, Samus has MP2:E and MPH:FH. One of them is a major console game on the GameCube and the second is being packaged with the Nintendo DS. She certainly has the most potential to take out Sephiroth next year.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

"Heck, Chichiri and I both made SpC brackets with all new entries, and our games barely overlapped."

Really? Must See!
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I think it's in one of the older CS&D topics, that may or may not have been put up already. I remember we had a debate over which of the NES Ninja Gaidens to put up.

...At least, I think I made a SpC bracket. I could have just been very critical of yours.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

Well, I saw lots of SpC brackets, but I just couldn't recall anyone else making one with all new competitors. Several people made regualr type SpC's, though.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

If you take Cloud and Link out, it comes down to a Sephiroth victory over Samus Aran or Megaman (depending on who's in the opposite bracket, of course.)

This is really idiotic; instead of having TWO choices, we have ONE now.

*fumes*

I really do not want to see this happen. If Cloud and link (i refuse to call them Clink) are removed from the contest, Sephiroth, the #3 character for the past three years will clearly take the win.

After he's removed, Samus wins.
After that, Mega Man wins.

After that, we're in 2007 and I'd like to think Xenosaga 3 will propel KOS-MOS to a win.

<_<;;


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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

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although a 'triple threat' matchup between cloud, sephy, and link at the end of the whole thing...

ah who am i kidding, link would win it.

at least it'd let us gauge... no wait, it wouldn't.

>_<

A separate cloud/link match and a winner of that VS winner of 2k5 contest match for an extra 32+64 =96 might make it more interesting..

that'd REALLY separate the wheat from the chaff, see what happens to cloud/link next year.

although I've got that particular matchup wrong EVERY SINGLE FREAKING YEAR...

i swear, cloud/link is worse than Mario/Crono for me.

At least I know to put Crono every time from now on.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

I've checked the SC2K4 SFF Adjusted Standings, why don't a see Protoman benefiting anything? Higher his rank.

because we don't know what his SFF is.

it's not like megaman/zero where we can predict.

we know protoman's significantly weaker than Zero, but we don't know by how much...

so he's really a huge question mark.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Speaking of the SpC, Here's my bracket with a few more updates.

1. Super Mario Bros
16. Asteroids

8. Castlevania
9. Ninja Gaiden 2

5. Punch Out!!
12. Tecmo Super Bowl

4. Adventures of Link
13. Bionic Comando

6. Kid Icarus
11. Excitebike

3. TMNT 2
14. Battletoads

7. Space Invaders
10. Blaster Master

2. Mega Man 2
15. Gauntlet

Removed/Replaced With
Centipede/Asteroids
Ninja Gaiden/Ninja Gaiden 2



1. Sonic 3
16. Final Fight

8. Lufia 2
9. The 7th Guest

5. Mega Man X
12. Mortal Kombat 2

4. Final Fantasy 2
13. Kirby Super Star

6. Mario Kart
11. Star Fox

3. Donkey Kong Country
14. Samurai Shodown

7. Earthworm Jim
10. Link's Awakening

2. Yoshi's Island
15. Ys III: Wanderers from Ys

Removed/Replaced With
Vectorman/Samurai Shodown
Pokemon/Ys III
Lunar/Kirby Super Star
Shinobi/The 7th Guest



1. Final Fantasy 8
16. Bushido Blade 2

8. Twisted Metal 2
9. Quake

5. Super Smash Bros
12. Shining Force 3 Part 1

4. Crono Cross
13. Deception

3. Warcraft 2
14. Civilization 2

6. Tekken 3
11. Lunar SSSC

7. Gran Turismo 2
10. Banjo Kazooie

2. Majora's Mask
15. Mischief Makers

Removed/Replaced With:
Grandia/Deception
Kirby 64/Majora's Mask
Wipeout/Gran Turismo 2
Metal Slug 3/Civ 2
THPS2/Lunar SSSC



1. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
16. Ico

8. Soul Calibur 2
9. Fable

5. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
12. Castlevania Aria of Sorrow

4. Devil May Cry
13. Viewtiful Joe

3. GTA San Andreas
14. Jet Set Radio

6. Grandia 2
11. Phantom Brave

7. Super Mario Sunshine
10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

2. Ninja Gaiden
15. Tales of Symphonia

Removed/Replaced With
Pikmin/Tales of Symphonia
Disgaea/Phantom Brave
Seaman/Ico

Any comments are welcome, unless it equates to nothing more than "you suck".
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Analysis Crew:

Master Moltar
UltimaterializerX
CenaStone
Heroic Mario
MasterMage119

Cool, now we just need to see if Mumei accepts =)

I must confess, I'm quite confused. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

i'm willing to join in.

*shrug*

*pitches a fork in*
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Can I join?
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Pwned by nifboy on the SC2K4 Guru Contest!

*wonders if Garsha is actually going to post something and leave it up*
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Don't worry, I'll leave up my last post, and this one too...
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Pwned by nifboy on the SC2K4 Guru Contest!

Riiight...

*prediction for mario/crono 4: Crono by 58%*
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

*prediction for mario/crono 4: Crono by 58%*

*stab*

No Mario vs. Crono again. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh, and DOma, if you're still here get on AIM, please.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

I forgot to ask.

Hey Mumei, you want to be on the Analysis Crew?
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

I can't access AIM on this computer. I'm at work right now.
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It's David Bowie vs. Johnny Depp at www.rpgdl.com, with a side order of Omnislash!
nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm > me.

NO more to Crono/Mario... It's boring now and getting annoying.. Besides, Crono defeated Mario by a good margin this year.. IT's OVER for Mario..

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Congratulation to Nifboy who pwned all the gurus, including me in the Summer Contest.

I forgot to ask.

Hey Mumei, you want to be on the Analysis Crew?

I could try it. I only had a 179 this year, so I'm not sure I'd be great at it, but I'll try it.

Thank you. ^.^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That sucks.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

eh, i'm with mumei on this one, no more mario/crono (see my topic "matches i don't want to see ever again")

But if ceej does it, that's my prediction.

actually, make it crono by 56%.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

I only had a 179 this year

Only? ONLY?!?
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Only? ONLY?!?

O.o

I would've had a 185 if I had remembered to switch to Sonic beating Ryu in the second round before going on vacation. =(

And considering how many really high scores there were this year, I didn't think it was that great.

But thanks. ^_^;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think it was insulting. I had 152 ;_;
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

180 points here. Not bad.
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Pwned by nifboy on the SC2K4 Guru Contest!

o_0 Wow, what happened Slow?!

I finished with 187. Missed on Jak, DK, HK-47, & Ryu H. (in the 2nd round)

Missed Vivi/DK, Joe/Tails, Sora/Hayabusa, Crono/Mario... and... wait for it... Link/Cloud. Ugh.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

Snowflake, is that because you have the wrong winner?

If that's the case, you have nothing to be ashamed of.

Link vs. Cloud can NEVER be predicted without seeing at least 2 rounds into the contest.

A flip of a coin could've given you a 184.

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I think these last two polls are a very strong indication that something is going to be done about the contests on this site. I don't understand what retiring winners solves, but apparently people think that will help things. Anxious to see what decisions, if any, cjay will make.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I only have 157, damn Link/Cloud match. Well, damn Sroa/Hayabusa and Tails/Joe also.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

128 may not be the highest score, but it's definitely the coolest. But while I had many stupid errors (noticably the ill fated Sephiroth Gambit, countered by the Cloud Defense), at least I had Sora-Ryu H right.
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Jon Thomson - nifboy > me
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Okay, this is off topic, sorry, I should know better. Blah blah blah.

Doma, how would I contact and administrator for the RPGDL? Apparently I have an innactive account and I don't have the slightest clue what to do about it. I know metroid composite is an admin, but I haven't seen mc post around here in forever. Any help here?
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

if i had gotten cloud/link right, i'd have had 184.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

because we don't know what his SFF is.

Then someone needs to throw out an estimate. There's no sense in keeping him at a lower rank when he suffered from SFF.

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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

actually, make it crono by 56%.

Mario would win another match between the two after this coming year.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

I think the estimate is like half of Zero's or something like that.

i mean, dang.

How can you estimate that?

Zero got some SFF by megaman, that's been estimated.

But Protoman getting SFFed by Zero..

i mean, the 3-step chain from Link to Proto is this:

Link _ Mega _ Zero _ Proto

That's easily one of the worst SFF series we have. DOUBLE the SFF, and one being a new character with no prior data to base it off of.

he could have 30% of Zero's SFF, or 250%.

nobody knows.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

maybe so, but i mean NEXT year.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

How can you estimate that?

That's why it's called an estimate. It was done with Sora last year, although it was off by a substantial amount.

maybe so, but i mean NEXT year.

I meant next year too.
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Carolina Panthers (1-2)
Next game: @ Denver Broncos (3-1)

i thought by 'after this coming year' you meant 2 years from now, but whatever..

<_<

Eh, SFF can be calculated if you have prior results.

I'll throw out an SFF of 5% for protoman. Is that accurate? Who the hell knows?
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Heh, someone on PotD thinks Kirby is top 10. KIRBY. C'mon, and people don't understand why we're in war with them.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

I'll throw out an SFF of 5% for protoman. Is that accurate? Who the hell knows?

You basically throw out a percentage that would sound right. It doesn't need to be massive, although it might turn out that way, and it doesn't need to be minute. I have to definitely disagree with Protoman's position though.
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