Might as well squeeze this in here, and I added a couple of things...

*Stats websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

*Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

*Miscellaneous*

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=3

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I'd like to thank RPGuy96 and MasterMage119 for helping me to come up with the layman's explanation of the Xst formulas, by the way.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I didn't think you would need this so quickly.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

I hate Link, I hate Cloud, I now hate these contests.
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Solid Snake owns.

*le-sigh* it all comes to an end in a little over 5 hours...
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Do you think you could make that first post a little longer, Ulti? You haven't reached the character limit yet.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I was just thinking earlier, I know that I stayed here during the WHOLE offseason, but now I'm wondering...

What the hell did we talk about?!
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Looks like we'll have Clink after all. The next tier is pretty close to Sephirmus.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Yeah, Cloud's on pace to have a better performance than Link did last summer. So there's no doubt that Clink stays.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Bump
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Once again, my bracket

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16677807
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

and pretty much any way you slice the X-Stats, the Noble Nine really appears to have dropped down to the Elite Eight.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Link 52% 59479
Cloud Strife 48% 54895
TOTAL VOTES 114374

There we go. Now Cloud just needs to best Link's percentage last year and I can be content with this performance.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

another contest gone. it was fun.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Yeah, Cloud's on pace to have a better performance than Link did last summer. So there's no doubt that Clink stays.

Not quite. This match will not recieve enough votes for Cloud to get more votes than Link got in Link vs Cloud 2003. I don't think the percentage will be closer either.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

So assuming we DO get to make the bracket, can we agree on one thing. Sonic vs Mario MUST be set up. Since the recent changes in the popularities of those two, that match just became unpredictable.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

So assuming we DO get to make the bracket, can we agree on one thing. Sonic vs Mario MUST be set up. Since the recent changes in the popularities of those two, that match just became unpredictable.

save it for the secret board, MasterMage. ;)

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Cloud's actually taking off votes from Link's lead. He could possibly reach that percentage.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

So assuming we DO get to make the bracket, can we agree on one thing. Sonic vs Mario MUST be set up. Since the recent changes in the popularities of those two, that match just became unpredictable.

Mario 34.77
Sonic 33.44

Agreed.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Finally adding myself on here...

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH

...ah, better. I'm gonna go study for midterms now guys, might be on later.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Mario vs. Sonic? Well, Sonic is a bit closer this year, but not much...Mario still looks like he'll take it no problem. I'd only want to see that match if Sonic can beat Mario...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno

5) Ganondorf
12) Ryu Hayabusa

4) Sora
13) Jak

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Sonic
14)Jill Valentine

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Mario
15) Falco Lombardi

This is the quarter of my bracket with Mario v Sonic set up. I also think the winner vs. Mega Man match would be awesome too.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Hm, Sonic is actually a percent closer than I originally thought, as Cloud is now at 48% instead of 47%. :P Fine...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

19:30 | Link | 58062 | +0577 | 52.11% | Cloud | 53369 | +0619 | 47.89% | Lead of 4693 | (Down 42)
19:45 | Link | 58624 | +0562 | 52.07% | Cloud | 53953 | +0584 | 47.93% | Lead of 4671 | (Down 22)
20:00 | Link | 59129 | +0505 | 52.03% | Cloud | 54509 | +0556 | 47.97% | Lead of 4620 | (Down 51)
20:15 | Link | 59641 | +0512 | 52.01% | Cloud | 55032 | +0523 | 47.99% | Lead of 4609 | (Down 11)

"Updates Left: 15
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 307.267
Link's % last update: 49.47%
Total Votes so far: 114673"

... Anybody else notice a few people believe that Cloud's minor comeback means something?

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This match still has 4 hours left. I could see Cloud ending it with 48.30%. That would bring Sonic and Mario VERY close.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Don't ruin it, Mumei. =P
I just want Cloud to do well.
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

Anybody else notice that we are still getting about 1000 votes every update? =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I really ought to post more.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy

Good lord, Link's going to pass up my tiebreaker (60k) in a few minutes... And just yesterday I didn't think it would happen...
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This space reserved for the Summer Guru Contest winner!

Don't ruin it, Mumei. =P
I just want Cloud to do well.

Heh. I'm talking about people on the board. A few were saying things like, "OMG Cluod is coming back!"

=/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Mega Man does not deserve a #1 seed next year since he's going to finish 8th this year. It's just like Sonic getting a #1 seed this year.

It's about time either Sephiroth and Samus got their deserved 1 seeds.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

well, at least now cloud has an outside shot of hitting 49%.

that's...something.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

whats that list of names for?
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Winner of Leebo's save the users tournament.
Chrono Cross points: 160

Cloud won't get 49% unfortunately, unless he starts pulling in massive numbers or Link's support just dies off.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Mega Man does not deserve a #1 seed next year since he's going to finish 8th this year. It's just like Sonic getting a #1 seed this year.

i was thinking the same thing when i saw that setup.

would samus work in mega man's place?
she deserves the spot more, and she could still lose to mario...
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

This is the quarter of my bracket with Mario v Sonic set up. I also think the winner vs. Mega Man match would be awesome too.

I like it a lot. I think in that bracket Mario actually has a chance of making it to the Final Four.

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Just tell your parents that the house burnt down because you were out saving a bunch of money on your car insurance by switching to Geico. They'll understand.

whats that list of names for?

People who want to make the SC2K5 bracket. Ulti will e-mail it and the suggestion to CJayC in hopes of receiving permission for us to do it and a private board or something.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

So it would be Link/Cloud on one side of the bracket, Sephy and Samus on the other side? Another Cloud/Seph might be possible, but I think Samus will have increased enough next year. It'd be good to see Samus in the final match.
Girl Power!!! >_>

<_<
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

I would also like to sign up, if you don't mind. I don't post a lot in these topics, but I read most of them, and I did fairly well in my bracket this year as well. And someone has to be there to defend Donkey Kong.

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Just tell your parents that the house burnt down because you were out saving a bunch of money on your car insurance by switching to Geico. They'll understand.

OMG Cluod is coming back

Did you intentionally misspell Cloud?

XD if you didn't.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Cloud won't get 49% unfortunately, unless he starts pulling in massive numbers or Link's support just dies off.

Cloud pulling in massive numbers would be nice, since I want to see higher vote totals.

And that could possibly get the Link vote stuffers to vote stuff more and increase vote totals even more. >_>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16677718

I'm biased, but I would LOVE to see my #4 Division come to life. I think that'd be insane to predict, much like the 128-Division.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

sounds like fun. I'd like to do it as well.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Did you intentionally misspell Cloud?

XD if you didn't.

Yes, I was intentionally trying to sound moronic.

Not sure how well I did at it, but whatever. =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heh. You did just fine. ^.~
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Heh. You did just fine. ^.~

SurfingVaporeon pwns us all in that regard though. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

That one topic he made today was a little excessive though. It eventually got modded.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Young Boy

I just realized I'm using my alternate account.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

What are you talking about, Leon?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

What are you talking about, Leon?

SurfingVaporeon.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

WTF? I wish I would have saved that post Ulti made using every curse word in the book at me for "trying to steal" the Guru Contest, when in actuality I was just trying to get the ball rolling.

Now he turns around and actually does steal my idea of letting Board 8 create the bracket for the contest? This is horse****. And I know most those people on that list are aware of this, as most of you signed the damn petition I created. Ugh... so wrong. I knew I should have never let that petition purge.


Oooh, and obviously throw my name on to the list.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

And that sucks that Link is actually falling under 52%. I was hoping he'd actually take over 53% in this match.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

We're about to pass Tidus-Ganondorf for 9th all-time. Next up will be my personal favorite Summer Contest match.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

it's a great idea. we can make a great bracket that's unpredictable.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Now he turns around and actually does steal my idea of letting Board 8 create the bracket for the contest? This is horse****. And I know most those people on that list are aware of this, as most of you signed the damn petition I created. Ugh... so wrong. I knew I should have never let that petition purge.

XD

I was actually looking for the petition earlier today. But keep in mind, Ulti has actually HAD contact with the Ceej before.. That may help us get our foot in the door.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

After that list hits 30 names, I'm going to e-mail CJayC tonight. Assuming he would actually go along with such an idea, a private board for the purpose wouldn't be that far off. As such, there could always be invites later.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

When was that petition created? I never saw it.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib

Ulti has actually HAD contact with the Ceej before.

More than once.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Why was my name deleted? (Young Boy)
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‘‘Oxente!’’

Would it be wise to automatically eliminate Cloud and Link for the next Character Battle?

I would like to know your opinions on that aspect...everyone...
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- tnote827

I created it, ummm, 5-6 stats topics ago. It had a decent turnout, round 35-40 signs and 5-10 anti signs, but I didn't keep it around, obviously.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

No it would not be wise. We will just use them more effectively than Ceej would.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Would it be wise to automatically eliminate Cloud and Link for the next Character Battle?

I'm pretty sure you're going to hear a resounding no. And my voice will be one of them.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
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I thought Rock Man could win but, I was wrong. One day he will be a champ

No. There's no sense in taking out the two most popular characters in this contest. The solution is simple enough: stick them in the same division.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I really hope CJayC goes for this idea.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Stick them in the same division, with another powerful guy right after their battle. Rig it, so they have a tough road and get anti-votes up the ass for the next battle, changing things up.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Go Big Blue!! Record: 3-1

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy

Through HM's post about Cloud/Link.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

As do I.

Look at the insane vote totals today, and you'll see why it's a bad idea to take out Link and Cloud. I support sticking them in the same bracket, but I'm sure that would be an interesting debate should this user made bracket idea come to pass.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Would it be wise to automatically eliminate Cloud and Link for the next Character Battle?

I would like to know your opinions on that aspect...everyone...

While I support that, I don't think we can consider it automatic. If anything, this match will show to Ceej that Clink are his best vote-getters, and as such, he'd be more likely to keep them. I suggested two brackets be made, one with them, and one without. That way, we're covered in either case.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

The solution is simple enough: stick them in the same division.

History will repeat itself...then? Like in Best.Game Ever.
FFVII defeated OoT and nothing had a chance to stop it.
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

Link vs Cloud 2004 moves into 8th beating Luigi vs Squall's 116190.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Speaking of the vote totals, we just passed Squall-Luigi for the 8th spot. Mega Man-Snake is a while away.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I agree that Cloud vs Link should be a division final. But let's get into that AFTER this idea passes. I must display Heroic Mario-like optimism!
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33. MegatokyoED

I think putting Cloud and Link in the same bracket would fix things but wouldin't the winner be obvious then even earlier?
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

Thank you.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

Again, I ask: Why make the biggest match worth so few points? It makes the Final Four and final match too easy to predict, an area that should make or break brackets.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Two brackets would never fly. One poll with the new site change has taken enough of a drop-off. Imagine having to vote in two seperate polls. And if they aren't side by side, you are looking at some serious logistical problems.

And when CJayC goes through his 'line my pockets' phase, three polls? Way too much goin' on on a home page with three potential polls.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I'll post this again:

(1) Link
(2) Cloud
---Good match
(1) Sephiroth
(2) Samus (post Echoes and Hunters)
---Good match?
(1) Noble Nine
(2) Noble Nine
---Good match
(1) Noble Nine
(2) Noble Nine
---Good match

(1) Cloud/Link
(1) Samus/Seph
---Good match?
(1) Noble Nine
(1) Noble Nine
---Good match

(1) Clink
(1) Noble Nine
---Bad Match
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

History will repeat itself...then? Like in Best.Game Ever.
FFVII defeated OoT and nothing had a chance to stop it.

Like history is repeating itself today? By doing that you allow for three divisions that have no guaranteed winner; in fact, you have four divisions with no guaranteed winner. By sticking Cloud and Link in two separate divisions you automatically lock-up two divisions. That's boring. Besides, Link/Cloud will be a toss-up until Zelda XI is released.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Two brackets would never fly. One poll with the new site change has taken enough of a drop-off. Imagine having to vote in two seperate polls. And if they aren't side by side, you are looking at some serious logistical problems.

No, no. I mean that we make two separate brackets for Ceej, on with Clink and one without. He decides which of the two to use. That way, if he's decided to get rid of them, he doesn't have to adjust our bracket severely if we didn't give him a no-Clink bracket, and vice-versa.
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Link/Cloud is a wonderful final match, but would be equally as compelling in a final four. The reason being you could create another coin flip match in the other final four (Sephiroth/Samus). This way sure, you know which pair will win the tournament, but you would have to call two difficult matches to get there, rather than just calling the finals.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

20:30 | Link | 60073 | +0432 | 52.00% | Cloud | 55456 | +0424 | 48.00% | Lead of 4617 | (Up 8)
20:45 | Link | 60553 | +0480 | 51.99% | Cloud | 55914 | +0458 | 48.01% | Lead of 4639 | (Up 22)

"Updates Left: 13
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 356.847
Link's % last update: 51.17%
Total Votes so far: 116467"

Looks like Link isn't going to completely die off.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

No. There's no sense in taking out the two most popular characters in this contest. The solution is simple enough: stick them in the same division.

well, i think.................well, actually i will save my thoughts until i know whether or not we will get a shot at making the next bracket. =P

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I guess you're right, HM. It would be better...
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

Ooooooooh... yeah, that would definitely fly. Create two mother-*****es of brackets, and have him decide what he wants to ultimately hit the public forum. Though to be honest, there is no way he would ever leave Cloud/Link out of it. Those are his gravy trains and biscuit wheels. No self-respecting businessman would ever take his grade-A product and go to battle without it.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

...and sorry for ranting at Ulti. It just felt like the right thing to do. He definitely should be the one spearheading this push, as he is the only one who has a chance of getting this thing heard.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I'm trying to make a list of characters that aren't in 2k4 that should be in 2k5. So far I have the following:

Vincent Valentine
Roy (Fire Emblem)
Captain Falcon
Bass (or someone else from Mega Man)
Sarah Kerrigan
Claude (SO:2)
Ramza

i think maybe a different suikoden character that isn't luca blight could be used (Flik for example), but will probably end up being fodder. it's hard to think of characters without repeating games a lot. maybe yuna could be brought back or someone else that hasn't been used from an ff7 game. suggestions? ideas?
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

Kratos or Lloyd should get in.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

Aeris and Zelda need to return. OH! A Frog vs Zelda match is NECCESARY! Hell, follow it with Frog vs Magus since we can't be sure how the SFF will bend on that one now (though the match itself will be boring, it will be hard to pick).
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

New characters from my bracket:

New Characters
(7) Terra Branford
(8) Zidane Tribal
(9) Leon Kennedy
(10) Vincent Valentine
(10) Serge
(10) Sarah Kerrigan
(11) Sigma
(11) Sub Zero
(12) Ghaleon
(12) Lloyd Irving
(13) Nightmare
(13) CJ
(14) Geno
(14) Bass
(15) Princess Peach
(15) Kratos Aurion
(16) Eliwood

Some of those seeds may have changed since I made that list, and the bracket will change once I get a decent handle on this year's XS.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I was thinking it should be an Aeris vs. Zelda match at 4 and 5 but I guess it would be ok to muff the seeds a little since htat's what cjay does anyways.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

Zelda should certainly return, as should Aeris. For someone new, Leon Kennedy seems like a great choice. He's been in Resident Evil before and will be starring in Resident Evil 4 in January.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Viktor is about your only prayer of a Suikoden character who could outperform Luca. It is an ensemble cast series; there is noone outside of Luca who truly stands out. As much as I love the series, Luca's pasting shows there is just no place in this tournament for a Suikoden character. I would much rather give Vincent or Zidane a chance, screw the stupid company limits. We want to create a bracket with the 64 best characters in video games, not 64 characters who fall into some asinine communist voting and rules scheme.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

If Cloud meets Link anytime BEFORE the finals, that match will pretty much state the winner. None of the other characters are popular enough (or have a fan base large enough) to withstand the fury of Link/Cloud. MAYBE Sephiroth could step in for Cloud, although I doubt Seph could fill in Cloud's shoes.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

I think a Leon-Jill match would be pretty interesting. Could a RE character get SFF off another?
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

While I'm uncomfortably aware that I may be freeloading here, I would absolutely love to be involved in the creation of next year's bracket. I have been lurking this topic for some time, so at the very least I know what's been discussed. If you don't mind having another stowaway on board, here's the updated list:

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1

If I'm too late, then please ignore this post.

Link/Cloud will always set the winner of the contest. Now, Sephiroth/Samus is looking to be a great rematch next year. This year he wins with ~54%.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Alright, I'm going to e-mail the list we have now.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Will CjayC limit the number of characters per company next year?
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

I don't think that ulti having spoken to cjayc before really means much to help us in any significant way, myself. I doubt he's the only person who emails cjayc on a semi-regular basis, but he did start the list, but honestly, this would have worked if it had been from any of us. I just don't like making it like this depends on ulti, and I don't think he thinks it does either. and its nothign personal either ulti, just saying : )

and :
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - FastFalcon05
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Fox McCloud deserves to be back in if we are screwing the company limits.

Depending on how Baten Kaitos sells, Kalas could be in as a high-seed too.

For you people wondering the point in having Link vs Cloud in the same division, I'll explain it. When Link and Cloud are in different divisions, 10 matches are locks. When they are in different ones, only 6 are.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

whoops:
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
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Question.. If you guys make the bracket for Cjay, What purpose will the nomination forms serve?

Not meaning to be rude but the users would fell rather left out as they would have no control over the tournament and would complain alot about their favourites being left out.

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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Elite Eight right now (Snake is way too low):

1. Link 50.00%
2. Cloud 48.02%
3. Sephiroth 42.26%
4. Samus 39.37%
5. Crono 37.18%
6. Mario 34.77%
7. Sonic 33.45%
8. Mega Man 32.39%
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

wait, why don't you wait for it to grow some more?
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Vincent Valentine - He's almost a given, unless he gets stymied by the limit or DoC doesn't come out before SC2K5.
Roy (Fire Emblem) - He, or Marth, or one of the Rekka no Ken Lords would be good.
Captain Falcon - See VV, only with a lot more games/media on his side.
Bass (or someone else from Mega Man) -
Sarah Kerrigan
Claude (SO:2) - Claude probably won't get enough support. Try for one of the TtEoT characters.
Ramza - He was in 2K3, he bombed, and there are better choices from Tactics anyway.

i think maybe a different suikoden character that isn't luca blight could be used (Flik for example), but will probably end up being fodder. it's hard to think of characters without repeating games a lot. maybe yuna could be brought back or someone else that hasn't been used from an ff7 game. suggestions? ideas?

Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
Kyle Katarn (Dark Forces/Jedi Knight)
Mai Shiranui
Chun-Li (Street Fighter)
Nina Williams (Dead or Alive)
Black Orchid (Killer Instinct)
Dan Hibiki (Street Fighter)
Mewtwo (Pokémon)
Carmen Sandiego (Carmen Sandiego)
Manny Calavera (Grim Fandango)
Lyn (Fire Emblem)
Lloyd Irving (Tales of Symphonia)
Capt. Falcon (F-Zero)
Ridley (Metroid)
Diablo (Diablo)
Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
Geno (Super Mario RPG)
Commander Keen (Commander Keen)
Vincent (FF VII)
Dr. Wily (Mega Man)
Peach Toadstool (Mario)
Garrett (Thief)
Chaz Ashley (Phantasy Star IV)
King K.Rool (Donkey Kong Country)
Dr. Robotnik (Sonic)
Samanosuke Akechi (Onimusha)
Pit (Kid Icarus)
Ladd (Bionic Commando)
Billy Lee (Double Dragon)
Taki (Soul Calibur)
Luc (Suikoden)
Impa (Zelda)
_ _ _ 32
Ashton Anchors (Star Ocean II)
Ghaleon (Lunar)
Grey Fox (Metal Gear)
Serge (Chrono Cross)
Richter Belmont (Castlevania)
Gabriel Knight (Gabriel Knight)
Avatar (Ultima)
Riku (Kingdom Hearts)
Falco Lombardi (Starfox)
Zed (Wild ARMs)
Arthur (Ghouls and Ghosts)
Bass (Mega Man)
Minsc (Baldur's Gate)
Shadow (Final Fantasy VI)
Fawful (Mario and Luigi)
Metaknight (Kirby)
Sparkster (Rocket Knight Adventures)
Bubsy (Bubsy)
Ecco the Dolphin (Ecco)
Mike Haggar (Final Fight)
Frogger (Frogger)
The Prince (Prince of Persia)
SHODAN (System Shock)
Albert Wesker (Resident Evil)
Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
BloodRayne (BloodRayne)
Blinx (Blinx: The Time Sweeper)
Red Harlow (Red Dead Revolver)
Sarge (Army Men)
Toad (Mario)
Henry Stauf (7th Guest/11th Hour)
Seifer Almasy (Final Fantasy VIII)
Rayman (Rayman series)
Alex Roivas (Eternal Darkness
Arthas (Warcraft III)
Alis Landale (Phantasy Star)
Ramirez (Skies of Arcadia)
Diddy Kong (DKC series)
Mid-Boss (Disgaea/Phantom Brave?)
Dekar (Lufia II)
Maxim (Lufia series)
Klonoa (Klonoa series)
Yuri Hyuga (Shadow Hearts series
Rikku (FF X/X2)
Zidane Tribal (FF IX)
Master Higgins (Adventure Island series)
Citan Uzuki (Xenogears)
Ryu Bateson (Breath of Fire series)

That's a pretty big list. I'm sure we can find someone from there.

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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Well, I suggested that we allow in the top 32 on merit alone, and allow the other half to be decided by the nominations.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Not meaning to be rude but the users would fell rather left out as they would have no control over the tournament and would complain alot about their favourites being left out.

We would make the bracket then fix it for any nominations that are worthy of being added. We would of course also add in people on our own. No one would really KNOW if the nominations didn't matter anyway, but I doubt that's what would happen.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I spelt feel as fell..
things bad..
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

I was wondering about that myself fallenstar, how would we decide nominations...
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I don't think that ulti having spoken to cjayc before really means much to help us in any significant way, myself. I doubt he's the only person who emails cjayc on a semi-regular basis, but he did start the list, but honestly, this would have worked if it had been from any of us. I just don't like making it like this depends on ulti, and I don't think he thinks it does either. and its nothign personal either ulti, just saying : )

No, Ulti has spoken with Ceej on AIM on more than one occasion.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Ramza - He was in 2K3, he bombed, and there are better choices from Tactics anyway.

I really doubt someone else from FF Tactics could do better. I'd love to see Ramza come back, personally.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I'll try to contribute assuming CJayC actually approves this and I am not unwanted. Hopefully no one person dominates the decision making process.


1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

on anything other than his prize winnings, or rather on anything that didn't start from prize discussion?
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Keep nominations as they are. CJayC then sends over to us that data, and we use it for the bubble characters and seeding. Just because Aeris wasn't in the top 100 of noms doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a 5 seed. We all have different opinions on the fodder to throw out there, so we could use the nominations to determine who gets to play 8 year old girl to Link's Roman Polanski.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Ramza didin't really bomb. He didin't to shabby against Kirby whos not exactly weak. I think Ramza could give Kefka a run for his money.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

DomaDragoon, that is indeed a large list. I recognize pretty much all the names on there, and have some fond memories of many of those charcters, but then again, I'm 22, and have been playing VG's for over 15 years. That's more than the age of many voters in these contests. Many of the once-great characters will end up being fodder to the not-so-great-but-more-popular characters of today.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

I really doubt someone else from FF Tactics could do better. I'd love to see Ramza come back, personally.

I don't know. Ramza's kind of bland for a main, and such. I think that Orlandu, Gaff, and Delita could all do better than he could. That's just my opinion, though. I'd like to see Ramza back in, but I don't know if he should get in ahead of a few other Squenix snubs.

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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Who should be gone from this contest though? I count at least 14 undeserving characters, but I don't know if they can be replaced with 14 competitors better equipped to compete here.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

I say top 32 get auto-bids.

Then we allow the top say 40 nominations to get the next 32. From there we weed out the extremely week nominations to get a stronger overall bracket. That way the people still have a choice, but we can prevent Tanner from ever getting in this contest again.

CATS should be gone IMO.
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

Ramza's kind of bland for a main, and such.

It certainly doesn't hurt Crono. I just couldn't see any of the others outdoing the main character. I personally love Ramza myself. He's my favorite FF character not named Squall.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Guybrush, Ryo, Tanner, JC and Lara Croft all should be gone. Keep CATS hes good fodder.
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Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

CATS is stronger than some who need to go before him.

CATS should be gone IMO.

No point. 16 seeds and 15 seeds can be anyone and it makes no difference.
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How good has CATS been so far at predicting the final?

perhaps another reason why he needs to go, not that I want him to
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Makes no difference, huh? I don't want to see another Tanner in this contest.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario

>_>

Pretty please?
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It really doesn't make any difference though. Whether they lose with 10% or 15%, it's still boring.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Yes, CATS should be gone. It's an old fad that is barely ever used anymore. 80 % of the people who quote the game have never even seen a Genesis, let alone played the game.

Lara Croft shpuld be gone as well, and Sly Cooper????? How in the hell did he get in? Duke Nukem? Protoman? Bomberman? List goes on...
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‘‘Oxente!’’

Slang, off the top of my head:

Guybrush
Luca
Lara
Tanner
Ryo
HK-47
Sly
JC Denton
Proto
Crash
Laharl
Kain
Scorpion
Terry

Some of those may even be higher than Ratchet, Jak and others. We have Zelda, Vincent, Mewtwo, Aeris and a gaggle of others who have either proven to be more than fodder or who we believe could be more than fodder.


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At least put in some different fan favorites for fodder. Give us a little variety.
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Protoman and Bomberman proved themselves strong enough to stay fodder for another year.

Keep nominations as they are. CJayC then sends over to us that data, and we use it for the bubble characters and seeding. Just because Aeris wasn't in the top 100 of noms doesn't mean she doesn't deserve a 5 seed.

Couldn't be said better. Well, except that I don't think we should adjust the seedings against what the nominations suggest TOO much...we still need to see some seed-based upsets.


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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Bomberman has a place here. He's not exactly low end fodder. I want Protoman to return just to see what he can do.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Damn, I keep missing the last person!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28- Link Jr
29- NewLib
30- blackapino1984
31- tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
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"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

I think Protoman should be kicked out if it means Bass getting in. I think Bass would perform better.
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Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

CATS and Alucard have to be in the tournament!!
They're the fundamental basis of it.!

They're as important as Mario and Crono, Link and Cloud, and.. Gordan Freeman???
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Lara Croft and Crash really SHOULD go but they are really worthy of being fodder in a historic sense. And I like seeing Playstation icons being beaten to a bloody pulp.
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Add Lucid Faia to the list.

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I would rather have CATS leave and give the opportunity to another character. You never know if the other character is another Frog. (Rookie of the Year IMO)
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Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

Exchange Protoman for Bass? Ugh, that is utter blasphemy.
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Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I think that Bass would prove a much better adversary than Protoman.

And yes, different fodder would attract more voters. Everyone likes variety.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

You never know if the other character is another Frog. (Rookie of the Year IMO)

I hope you mean removing CATS, bumpin a bunch down, and bringing a new 8 seed or something.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Okay, this is the list I'm sending in. With any luck at all, we'll get a board and can just invite the people that missed it. I'm shocked by the amazing turnout of people who would be willing to throw away free stuff at a chance to help make the bracket. That's Fn awesome =)

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
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++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Let's hope for a response by the end of the week.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I agree to an extent Haste, but the point of letting us make the bracket is to stack the bracket such that it is a ***** and a half to predict. And trying to adhere to the wacky data we'll get from those nominations too strictly could make it difficult to just doctor the bracket into one giant mind****.
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Once the contest is over it would be nice to make one big extrapolated standings with all the characters since 2K2 to see how strong new characters have to be to make it in...
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I would rather have CATS leave and give the opportunity to another character. You never know if the other character is another Frog.

Frog doesn't really count. Frog was expected to do very well in the contest. He was a huge BOP favorite to get to Round 3. Liquid Snake on the other hand was almost completely unexpected.
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"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I could only see very few characters that have been in no contests doing as well as Frog and LS. Kerrigen and Vincent are defiantly two of them though.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

No point. 16 seeds and 15 seeds can be anyone and it makes no difference.

There's a difference between crap fodder and good fodder.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

The only thing Kerrigan has going for her is those cheaters across the Pacific.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I don't think Kerrigan would do very well, myself.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Who should be gone from this contest though?

From this year's bracket?

-Guybrush, unless the new game coming out from the ex-Lucasarts team is the rumored Monkey Island V.
-Ryo
-CATS?
-Luigi?
-Luca
-Conker, unless he has a new game coming out. I've heard info about that, I think.
-JC. Poor guy.
-EJ. Poor guy.
-Max. There's no Max Payne 3, is there?
-Tommy? (VC vs. SA, I think.)
-Crash
-Tanner, although it'd be funny to keep him in.
-Duke
-Laharl. Poor guy.
-Kain.
-Scorpion, as long as we replace him with another MK character.
-Jak/Ratchet/Sly... ?
-Tails. Do we really need him back?
-HK, unless he's in KotOR 2.
-Lara?
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There's a difference between crap fodder and good fodder.

It's still fodder and it still makes for a boring match.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

-Luigi?

Definitely not. He doesn't need to go.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I could see Kerrigen bombing but with those Blizzard fanboys supporting her theres no telling what she could do.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

I don't think Kerrigan would do very well, myself.

She's not Elite 8 material that's for sure but she deserves a spot...
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It's still fodder and it still makes for a boring match.

So you wouldn't care to see Tanner back in this contest over someone like... Captain Olimar? Yes, Pikmin 2 rocks.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

She's not Elite 8 material that's for sure but she deserves a spot...

I see her as a second rounder... max.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Get some variety in the bracket. Who knows if you might find a diamond in the rough by putting new so-called fodder in the contest?

And Luigi needs to stay. He's not fodder.
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Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

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All these failed to break 18% on Link:

45 Vyse 17.8
46 Jak 17.73
47 Max Payne 17.6
48 Conker 16.37
49 Crash Bandicoot 15.79
50 Sam Fisher 14.94
51 Pac Man 14.47
52 Laharl 14.16
53 Lara Croft 13.82
54 Gordon Freeman 13.31
55 Terry Bogard 12.78
56 CATS 12.71
57 Luca Blight 12.06
58 Ryo Hazuki 11.63
59 Sly Cooper 11.48
60 JC Denton 11.45
61 Earthworm Jim 11.03
62 Ratchet 9.99
63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.6
64 Tanner 3.16

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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Blizzard Fanboys = Cheating SOBs

Not all, of course, just most.

And Luigi and Tails aren't going anywhere. Though you did bring up a good point with Vercetti. Even though he is my favorite, he has to go. The caveat with that is CJ has to take his place. GTA is too big of a draw to not have one of its anti-heros in the event.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I think that Liu Kang, or even Raiden would outperform Scorpion.

And I know a lot of people who were upset with the Tails/Dante match. Tails should stay, IMO.

If Alex Kidd does have a new game coming out for the PS2, it would be fun to see him in the contest (even though I doubt he'd get very far).
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‘‘Oxente!’’

Kerrigan would not perform ANYWHERE near the level of StarCraft.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

You people complaining about Blizzard cheaters are really pissing me off...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

How can we take Tails out? He's certainly more established than Shadow, and he's been around longer than Knuckles... Same with Luigi...

Let's not take Crash or Lara Croft out, either. They're icons, whether you like it or not. :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

She has a more elite squad of cheaters behind her than anyone else.

*resets sig*

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Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 0

Poor Vyse...Where's a Skies of Arcadia sequel when you need it?
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Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

this would be pretty cool if it actually worked : )


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I'm putting together a little mock 2k5 bracket as we speak and I just found a little spot that I think would be awesome.

I have this

6 - Master Chief
11- Vincent Valentine

3- Sonic
14

7
10

2- Mario
15

I think that would be a freakin awesome section of a bracket to have given the shown names. Sort of hard to predict and fun because of the potential.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I'm just thinking that we need a little shakeup among the entrenched Nintendo characters.
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Sega really doesn't have much chance of any other series getting in so you might as well keep all the Sonic characters.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

I'm sorry, It wasn't meant to be serious..
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

3-Master Chief VS 14-Kerrigan

MC would surely win, especially with Halo 2 out by then...but people would bite, and they very well may bite hard. Plus, with those elusive cheaters, you never know how wrong we just might be.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

For next year, here is my list of...

People who should be gone:

Ryo Hazuki
Pac-Man (just let him leave, he'd be fodder next year)
Luca Blight
Guybrush Threepwood
JC Denton
Earthworm Jim
Max Payne
Crash Bandicoot
Tanner (duh)
Duke Milkem
Laharl
Kain
Sly Cooper
Terry Bogard
Ratchet
Lara Croft

People who should go but it would never be allowed:

CATS
Gordon Freeman

People who could go:

Conker :(
Protoman :(
Kefka :(
Bomberman :(
HK-47 :(

People who should come BACK:

Zelda
Strider Hiryu
Fox
Ken Masters
Felix
Fox
Ramza
Raiden
Fox

Thoughts?
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You people complaining about Blizzard cheaters are really pissing me off...

I'll second that, it's getting ridiculous...especially on a day with a poll getting 40% more than the rest of the contest =P
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Poor Vyse...Where's a Skies of Arcadia sequel when you need it?

I would kill for Skies of Arcadia 2.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Felix doesn't need to comeback, if you ask me. Fox on the other hand must return.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Come on. Starcraft was caught mass stuffing. Everyone and their brother knows there was mass cheating in the Halo/Starcraft fiasco, though everyone also knows both sides participated. I don't need CJayC to catch it in order to know it happened. Those clowns could spam until they're computers crashed Spring was not going to see that kind of turnout without some funny business.

Though I would love to see Kerrigan make the tourney, just so all of the 'OMG Starcraft is my god now' people who were made believers in the Spring will foolishly have her getting out of the first round.
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Vyse should stay. He's strong fodder but I think he should get a much lower seed next contest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

Well with StarCraft Ghost coming out soon. Wouldn't you think people would take the main character from there instead of Kerrigan?
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Rock Man, you will always be a champ in my eyes. One day you will win.

How about online games' characters? Gunbound is insanely popular, as was Survival Project. Much stress on Gunbound though. NakMachine, Boomer, or maybe one of the hidden bots would surely outperform Sly Cooper, or CATS. Probably even Lara Croft and Crash Bandicoot.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

Come on. Starcraft was caught mass stuffing. Everyone and their brother knows there was mass cheating in the Halo/Starcraft fiasco, though everyone also knows both sides participated. I don't need CJayC to catch it in order to know it happened. Those clowns could spam until they're computers crashed Spring was not going to see that kind of turnout without some funny business.

Though I would love to see Kerrigan make the tourney, just so all of the 'OMG Starcraft is my god now' people who were made believers in the Spring will foolishly have her getting out of the first round.

Yes but it also put two GREAT showings without really cheating against KH and WW. And the votes were almost exactly the same in those two matches so don't try to say there was cheating.
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If Felix is as strong as his performance against Master Chief showed, then he's above fodder. Why not bring him back to see where he stands? Though he's probably lost some popularity since 2003.

Also, bring back Morrigan.
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Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Gunbound is insanely popular, as was Survival Project. Much stress on Gunbound though. NakMachine, Boomer, or maybe one of the hidden bots would surely outperform Sly Cooper, or CATS. Probably even Lara Croft and Crash Bandicoot

I don't doubt it, but would they be considered characters? See: Carriers, Mass; Shaped Tetris Block, L-.
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v_v

Just a suggestion; but I see what you're saying.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

Yeah the gunbound vehicles aren't character so they can't get in. I defiantly agree with Morrigan coming back though. She'd do way better than Lara Croft and Ryo Hazuki who make it every year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

I thought about Morrigan but she may have just been a case of TJF. And Fox... why didn't I think of him? >_>
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should we see another game contest, gunbound should be in, but I can't see the chars getting in either, who here plays gunbound btw?
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If Felix is as strong as his performance against Master Chief showed, then he's above fodder. Why not bring him back to see where he stands? Though he's probably lost some popularity since 2003.

I fully suspect he's lost popularity since 2003. I just think there are plenty of other characters who could come in/back and do better than Felix would in 2005.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Link vs Cloud 2004 moves into 7th beating Mega Man vs Solid Snake 2003's 118961.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Morrigan did well enough against Mario to warrant a return, methinks.
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Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta

In an actual, slower-paced discussion, I could certainly add.
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I will concede Starcraft didn't mass cheat against KH, but it didn't need to. Wind Waker is sketchy at best, but again, I will give the bnetters the benefit of the doubt. But it does not change the fact that they were caught mass cheating.

To be honest, bring Blizzard into everything. Starcraft had one alright match, one awesome match, and two F-ing spectacular matches, cheating or not. I wish all the matches would have that kind of excitement. I mean hell, we plowed through an update topic in about 1.5 hours in the halo/starcraft match. It was surreal.
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I think Morrigan deserves another shot. Same thing with Strider.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Personal opinion on who should stay/go

Link - Return
CATS - Return
Ganondorf - Return
Alcuard - Return
Yoshi - Return
Ryo Hazuki - Leave
Luigi - Return
Pac-Man - Undecided (he's a legend, isn't he?)
Magus - Return
Luca Blight - Leave
Crono - Return
Conker - Leave
Bowser - Return
Guybrush Threepwood - Leave
Mario - Return
JC Denton - Leave

Mega Man - Return
Earthworm Jim - Leave
Tidus - Return
Shadow the Hedgehog - Return
Tommy Vercetti - Return
Max Payne - Leave
Zero - Return
Protoman - Return
Frog - Return
Liquid Snake - Return
Master Chief - Return
Crash Bandicoot - Leave
Kefka - Return
Knuckles - Return
Solid Snake - Return
Tanner - Leave

Cloud - Return
Duke Nukem - Return (milk carton for life)
Vyse - Return
Laharl - Leave
Kirby - Return
Kain - Leave
Squall - Return
Bomberman - Leave
Ness - Return
Jak - Leave
Auron - Return
Scorpion - Return
Vivi - Return
D.K. - Return
Sephy - Return
Sly Cooper - Leave

Sonic - Return
Terry Bogard - Leave
KOS-MOS - Return
Ryu - Return
Viewtiful Joe - Return
Tails - Return
Dante - Return
Ratchet - Leave
Sora - Return
HK-47 - Leave
Ryu Hayabusa - Return
Jill Valentine - Leave
Sam Fisher - Leave
Gordon Freeman - Return
Samus Aran - Return

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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

You're forgetting one word: icon. I don't care how "forgotten" they are...once they're at that point, no matter the popularity, everyone will know them for many years. That's why Crash and Lara Croft shouldn't leave for quite a few more years. (Crash is at an icon status that Spyro, Jak, Ratchet, etc. haven't obtained) Pikachu should return, as well.

Maybe my definition of icon is different from some of yours, but oh, well.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

...i think tonight is a real highlight of just how far removed these stats topics are from the rest of the forum.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

I will concede Starcraft didn't mass cheat against KH, but it didn't need to. Wind Waker is sketchy at best, but again, I will give the bnetters the benefit of the doubt.

Well the reason I doubt cheating in the WW match is the fact that it has the same votes for SC as it did in the KH match.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Jak is stronger than Crash now, with Jak III coming out in another month. If you want to keep a PS2 platformer, he's the one to keep.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

If Morrigan came back, she would do nothing to change the outcome of the contest. TJF would probably be the reason of her coming back in, much for the fact that it is the reason that Lara Croft is still being included in the contest. If female characters need to be included just for being female, and not for being good/popular characters, Chun-Li would be a much better bet than Morrigan, IMO.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

I'm really surprised at how many people apparently lurk this topic.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I could not believe The Wind Waker lost to StarCraft. Totally shocked on that one.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

what do you mean by that redline?
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

SF2 LOST!?!

OMGWTF?!?!

Sorry. Had to do it.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

And characters that I think deserve another crack at it:

Aeris (obviously)
Zelda (obviously)
Aya Brea (maybe?)
Strider Hiryu (probably?)
Claire Redfield (maybe?)

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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

what do you mean by that redline?

He means we have a ton of people that never post in here signing up for that list meaning that we have a lot of lurkers.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Bomberman - Leave

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Jak is stronger than Crash now, with Jak III coming out in another month. If you want to keep a PS2 platformer, he's the one to keep.

You could also make a case for Sly with Band of Thieves.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Morrigan ranked in the top 20, between Dante and pre-KH Squall. I think she's got enough strength to deserve a return.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Why does that surprise you MM? You have to assume anyone who visits board 8 is going to drop in pre-tourney for some information from people who devote time to discuss these things, and occasionally pop their heads in to get a read on what a day's results may mean in the scope of things.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I could also make a case for Ratchet with his new game, but both he and Sly are low-end fodder. Jak is the strongest of the modern generation platformers. If you want one to return, he's the one.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

actually, i'm referring to the whole sister...fad...thing going on at the moment.

"summer 2004 contest" discussion, eh...
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

I often post on these topics with my main account (Young Boy), although I doubt someone noticed me. I personally only recognize two names, so I'm not surprised at all.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

And rather than getting rid of Vercetti, why not just do a CJ/Vercetti first round match next year? :-P
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

Jak lost to Ness. I don't think we need to be seeing any more of him in the coming years. I don't care if Jak LXVII sells like an MNM CD, get rid of the new age platformers... they are apparently nothing but fodder.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

red, what are you referring to?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I've been lurking since 2002... It's not a bad thing..
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

You can drop Jak if you want. Ness was obviously underestimated. I'm just saying that if you absolutely feel the need to have a modern generation platformer, it needs to be Jak.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

What worries me about the stronger 2002 snubs is that they'd have to be pretty lucky with their pairing in order to make it out of Round 1. :[ There's a lot of strong characters already.

Hm...I don't think it would hurt too much to replace Jill with Claire...Jill has blown it two years in a row now, and I wouldn't call Jill to be so much more important than any other RE character. Claire might actually do better.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I really don't think Vercetti should go unless it's for a strong new character next year. I can see Tommy still being beyond fodder next year even with GTA:SA coming out.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 150/160 Next Pick: Link

I've been lurking since 2002... It's not a bad thing..

Never said it was. I lurked for a while before I finally posted.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Jak lost to Ness. I don't think we need to be seeing any more of him in the coming years. I don't care if Jak LXVII sells like an MNM CD, get rid of the new age platformers... they are apparently nothing but fodder.

Yes, but then Ness went and took a pretty decent chunk out of Auron.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

This all goes to show how we are the only ones truly sticking to the Summer Contest Board we post on... and all the more reason to have an actual board devoted to the contest, as opposed to this one that has been polluted with so many contests, fads and outright hogwash it makes my head spin.

*Ends Veteran Elitist Rant*
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Never said it was. I lurked for a while before I finally posted.

Same for me...and University + hosting the Oracle Challenge didn't leave me lots of time to post here lately...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16641362

Leon will be the RE rep in the next contest, and I think he should be put into an 8/9 or a 7/10 matchup with a midcarder like DK.

And I lurked for one topic before I worked up the courage to post. I think it was about 3 seeds, and I was amazed that Tidus was being considered. I suggested Alucard. Oh, what a n00b I was...

Except, of course, Alucard outranks Tidus in the adjusted stats. Word.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Well, I think that Jill says much more about RE than Claire does. Plus, she's in the new movie. As I played RE1, I always thought that Barry was bad-ass. But I doubt he's anything popular outside the general fan base of the game. And Jill was in Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 as well.
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‘‘Oxente!’’

Alucard with a 3 seed... heh. Must be part of his Plan, eh?
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

This is for bracket making right?

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000

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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

20:30 | Link | 60073 | +0432 | 52.00% | Cloud | 55456 | +0424 | 48.00% | Lead of 4617 | (Up 8)
20:45 | Link | 60553 | +0480 | 51.99% | Cloud | 55914 | +0458 | 48.01% | Lead of 4639 | (Up 22)
21:00 | Link | 61002 | +0449 | 51.98% | Cloud | 56362 | +0448 | 48.02% | Lead of 4640 | (Up 1)
21:15 | Link | 61434 | +0432 | 51.98% | Cloud | 56754 | +0392 | 48.02% | Lead of 4680 | (Up 40)
21:30 | Link | 61856 | +0422 | 51.99% | Cloud | 57128 | +0374 | 48.01% | Lead of 4728 | (Up 48)
21:45 | Link | 62191 | +0335 | 51.97% | Cloud | 57475 | +0347 | 48.03% | Lead of 4716 | (Down 12)

"Updates Left: 9
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 524
Link's % last update: 49.12%
Total Votes so far: 119666"

Currently in 7th place on the all-time list.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

HM, I think Kerrigan will be as strong as Zero, if not at least as strong as Froq. I can't say the same for other awesome StarCraft characters though, unless individual units are eligible. Kerrigan is the mascot of StarCraft, which did pretty well in Spring Contest.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

I'll echo Leonhart from before:

Kerrigan will not perform anywhere NEAR the level of Starcraft.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

You guys don't really understand how Starcraft's popularity works. The characters mean nothing to the vast majority of its fans.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I would kill for Skies of Arcadia 2.

*sigh*

As would I....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

^^May or may not be true, but we can't find out for sure unless she is tested. Another contest w/out Kerrigan would be IMO inexcusable.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

I agree with the starcraft characters post. Unless it is a wildly popular unit, like the siege tank or *gasp* a carrier, starcraft fans won't be bothered.
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*space waiting to be filled by 2004 guru contest winner*
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

*Needs to finish SoA:Legends*

If the first 6 or so hours is any indication, I probably would kill for SoA: II.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

You guys don't really understand how Starcraft's popularity works. The characters mean nothing to the vast majority of its fans.

I think a lot of people would be able to recognize her from UMS games, but I doubt they would know much about her without having played the campain. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Kerrigan wouldn't get nearly the support that Starcraft did in the spring.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Well the way Starcraft GETS votes is from the community sites and such, all of which are about online, melee play. They don't care about the characters.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

And I lurked for one topic before I worked up the courage to post. I think it was about 3 seeds, and I was amazed that Tidus was being considered. I suggested Alucard. Oh, what a n00b I was...

I remember that topic because it was my first real discussion topic as well. I made the topic, and I wanted Tidus to be a 3 seed, yeah. Unless we're talking about different topics and I'm being stupid, that is.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I don't know exactly what Overworks would do storywise with Skies 2 if it was held in Vyse's lifetime, but I'd still kill for it.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Well the way Starcraft GETS votes is from the community sites and such, all of which are about online, melee play. They don't care about the characters.

But they still know them and would vote for them over many other characters....
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16641362

Let's try this again...

Starcraft fans are rabid, wild, bloodthirsty creatures, whose sole purpose in life is to not play as Mass Carriers, and vote stuff their beloved entity.

*Puts up MM Flame Shield*
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Kerrigan is pretty popular on bnet or at least used to be.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Starcraft and rabid, wild, bloodthirsty creatures, whose sole purpose in life is to not play as Mass Carriers, and vote stuff their beloved entity.

*Puts up MM Flame Shield*

*smacks you*

My work here is done.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I am pretty sure how it works, I've played since 98'. There is not one player I've met who doesn't know Kerrigan, her super sized face is on the screen when the game is turned on! I am not saying she should get a high seed, but she deserves to be in. It's not a big stretch to say Kerrigan has more potential than Froq.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Sarah would make a good low-midcarder, I think, winning a match and making a good push at a second against non-Noble opposition.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Kerrigan, a character from a PC RTS title (a genre and system vastly under represented on GFAQS), has more potential than the fan favorite from the 3rd favorite game/2nd favorite RPG on GFAQS? I'd say that's quite a stretch.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

What I'm saying is, the people on the community sites probably wouldn't be bothered to post the poll.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

More potential than Frog? Definitely a stretch. Chrono Trigger would make Starcraft it's subservent lady friend, and Chrono Trigger is a game built on character development. Starcraft is a game built on LAN-capabilities, not single player allures.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

starcraft fans won't be bothered to campaign for kerrigan as they did with the game itself.
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*space waiting to be filled by 2004 guru contest winner*
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

Let's try this again...

Starcraft fans are rabid, wild, bloodthirsty creatures, whose sole purpose in life is to not play as Mass Carriers, and vote stuff their beloved entity.

*Puts up MM Flame Shield*

*stabs*
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Doh... guess I needed a Mumei flame shield too...
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Seriously while Kerrigan should be added, she wont be one of the big newcomers.

Vincent and Leon will have a much bigger impact.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk

Ain't no way you guys are makin' this bracket without me. ~_^
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I completely agree with NewLib.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Holy crap I'm gonna turn 200 on Tuesday! Woohoo! If only I would have signed up for the site in August of 2000 when I started coming here... *smacks self... really hard*
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Vincent yeah. Leon Kennedy? It really depends on how RE4 is... I don't see him being too much stronger than Jill even if the upcoming game kicks ass. Kerrigan is a wildcard type if you will. She has a chance to surprise people more so than Kennedy.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Leon has a much bigger chance than Jill. Jill hasnt been in a new game in 4 or 5 years, unless you count REmake.

Even then that was two years ago and she was MUCH stronger two years ago than now. I see Leon and Vincent both as top 20 characters next year.

If the first 6 or so hours is any indication, I probably would kill for SoA: II.

In my opinion, the first four or five hours are a bit slow, but then it really picks up. ^_^

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

how many points do u have ulti?
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"CJayC is my dad."
~Honolulu Hotfudge

hmm, I'll just say it again, largely because I can, so there that Nina Williams would be a good entry for next year. I don't think she could really do much, but she does have her own game, not to mention tekken five, and not to mention that she's female, and I think Tekken isn't undeserving of a spot, despite kazyua ranking 45th....wow, that's...bad, but it should have been heihachi if it had to be anyone, imo at least.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

^^Does she get in before Chun Li or Mai Shiranui though? How many female fighters should get in?
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

The e-mail has been sent already. No need to continue adding names to the list. Besides, assuming CJayC goes along with this idea in the first place, we can always invite people to the board later on.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Nina Williams? I thought Heihachi was the most known Tekken character.

^^Does she get in before Chun Li

no.

or Mai Shiranui

yes.
i hate to say it...but yes.

...assuming her game doesn't completely bomb, anyway.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

he probably is, and I wonder why kazuya got in over him, but she's got her own game coming soon, it was supposed to be this year, hopefully it still will be
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Also DOA:U is on the horizon. Any reason a Kasumi or another of her well-endowed friends shouldnt be given another shot?

Starcraft is an amazing game; Kerrigan is a subpar character.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Nina Williams? I thought Heihachi was the most known Tekken character.

Heihachi's better known, but as FF mentioned, Nina does have a solo game coming out. She's like the Vincent of the Tekken world, only her game was announced first.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Did you just call Smitelf subpar???!

^^Does she get in before Chun Li

no.


I agree with that based on fighter status, but Nina's doing more for herself than Chun Li will be doing this year. a match between the two would be interesting, escpecially if it were post-death by degrees nina
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

I tell it like it is. :(

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Well Dabu you do know that only death awaits you now?

Eeeh, I can think of a handful of things worse he could do, like swim out in the Pacific wearing a Chum bathing suit.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I'd like to know how any unit that has Psistorm, Cloak, Consume, and causes 50 damage with its basic attack could ever be considered "subpar". Subpar would make Kerrigan below average compared to the other hero-level units in the game, and I know for a fact that this is not the case.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I miss the days of Mass Nukes > Mass Carriers. I proved to my friend one day that was fact.

I'd say the same thing about the game's singleplayer mode. If it was any other non-Blizzard RTS with an identical story, no one would even know (or care) who Kerrigan is. Few people care at all about the single player of Starcraft, as that's not what the game is about.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

But the point is people identify Kerrigan as the face of StarCraft. It doesn't matter if Kerrigan does nothing in the multi-player game, she is the most recognizable figure in that game. While a popular game does not guarantee success for it's characters, it contributes a major portion of it. There will be people voting for Kerrigan simply because they like StarCraft. For that alone, Kerrigan is IMO stronger than some characters who made the sweet 16 this year.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99

Just adding myself to the list. :)

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
FFXI: Luninutz: Carbuncle - 20 WAR / 10 MNK

I'd say the same thing about the game's singleplayer mode. If it was any other non-Blizzard RTS with an identical story, no one would even know (or care) who Kerrigan is. Few people care at all about the single player of Starcraft, as that's not what the game is about.

I loved Starcraft's characters and I do think they have popularity in some places. They were at least very popular in GameSpot's old TenSpot features. Kerrigan made it to number two villain on the PC Villains list, and 3 Starcraft characters made it into the top ten for best heroes.

They made not do all that well in this contest, of course, but I don't think you are in the majority when you say she is subpar. =/


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99
45 - perdevious

I'm not sure I could help much, but I would like to be there anyway... Just in case...
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Um, hello? I sent the e-mail already. We don;t need to keep adding names to the list. Besides, assuming CJayC goes along with this in the first place, we'll have an invite-based private board in which we can add people later. Don't feel snubbed.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I thought you sent the e-mail already... I hope Cjay goes through with it.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Heh I was abotu to say why people were putting themselves on the list
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the name hero dw5 hero dont test me marche or ill liberate you

Geez, does it ever feel like 64 slots just aren't enough? Could we have some play-in matches or something?

We could do something like...top 32 characters from SC2K4 get an automatic bye into SC2K5 (not sure how we'll determine the top 32, seeing as a fair extrapolated ranking will be hard to come up with...maybe just take the 32 highest vote getters?)

After that, we go through the user nominations process. The top sixteen from that get a spot in the field of 64, which leaves us with sixteen open spots.

At that point, we could take the next sixteen highest nomination recepients, and pair them off against what the bracket-making committee deems the sixteen most deserving characters left over. This will create sixteen "play-in" matches for the SC2K5 tournament.

These matches could take place three weeks before the tourney is scheduled to begin, two-a-day for eight days. At that point, the bracket-making committee would get together and set up the field for the main event. OR, the bracket could be set up before the play-in matches take place, with sixteen blank spots in it for the play-in characters to get tossed into (either by random draw or as determined by the committee).

Depending on how long the bracket-makers are given to complete their task, people entering the contest would have approximately seven-to-ten days to fill out their brackets. This cuts down a little bit on some of the pre-tourney deadtime, and probably gives users a little less time to share information/influence the voting patterns of others.

I don't know, any thoughts here?
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

22:00 | Link | 62534 | +0343 | 51.97% | Cloud | 57785 | +0310 | 48.03% | Lead of 4749 | (Up 33)
22:15 | Link | 62833 | +0299 | 51.96% | Cloud | 58083 | +0298 | 48.04% | Lead of 4750 | (Up 1)
22:30 | Link | 63111 | +0278 | 51.94% | Cloud | 58395 | +0312 | 48.06% | Lead of 4716 | (Down 34)
22:45 | Link | 63381 | +0270 | 51.91% | Cloud | 58726 | +0331 | 48.09% | Lead of 4655 | (Down 61)

"Updates Left: 5
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 931
Link's % last update: 44.93%
Total Votes so far: 122107"

Night vote? Seems like Link vote stuffers figured out it was safe.


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

i'm quite frankly shocked that all this discussion of kerrigan's potential has gone by without one mention of gordon freeman.

granted, you do actually see kerrigan during the single-player game...but it's pretty much the same situation.
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

By the way, is anyone else curious about prediction percentages for this match?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

i'm quite frankly shocked that all this discussion of kerrigan's potential has gone by without one mention of gordon freeman.

granted, you do actually see kerrigan during the single-player game...but it's pretty much the same situation.

Except that there's a fairly deep plot in Starcraft, and Kerrigan plays a huge role in that plot. Not to mention that she shows a fair bit of character, unlike Mr. Freeman.

Of course, that leads to an interesting point of thought - we know that Freeman's in HL2. But what if Kerrigan plays a role in Ghost?
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

The prediction percentage will surely be high, and the fact that multiple first round matches were harder to call than the champion makes me a little sick.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Probably not the time for this, but does anyone else agree that a Mario/Sonic set up wouldn't be nearly as interesting as other possible matchups featuring the two. Does anyone really seriously believe that Sonic would win that match. A better third round matchup for him would be up against Snake, Magus, or a rematch with Zero even. Ditto with Mario against Magus or Megaman or others. Sonic/Mario might be close in the extrapolateds, but on GameFAQs, I can't see it being a great match but on paper. Hmm...I'll try to think up a good 2K5 bracket in the next few days or so, actually.
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-Creepyfish

Knowing Blizzard, we won't have to worry about Ghost being released before next contest.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I'm expecting Link to have about 40%. It seems kinda high at first, but looking at Link's 67% to the finals vs Cloud's 55% and it's a possibiliy.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Except that there's a fairly deep plot in Starcraft, and Kerrigan plays a huge role in that plot. Not to mention that she shows a fair bit of character, unlike Mr. Freeman.

And besides that, she has TAJF.

>_> <_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'd guess about 35% overall. 67.67% had Link getting this far, I think about half will have him falling to Cloud/Samus/Sonic/Sephiroth/etc..
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Well I did mention the StarCraft: Ghost game coming out soon. So I would figure that the main character from there would get in before Kerrigan IMO.
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Rock Man, you will always be a champ in my eyes. One day you will win.

I'm going to guess that 45.19% of brackets had Link winning it all.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Except that there's a fairly deep plot in Starcraft, and Kerrigan plays a huge role in that plot.

there's a fairly deep plot in half-life too, apparently.
it's the first fps that got praised for its story, after all.

Of course, that leads to an interesting point of thought - we know that Freeman's in HL2. But what if Kerrigan plays a role in Ghost?

if kerrigan shows up there, she might do pretty well after all...
...but should nova take her place?
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

there's a fairly deep plot in half-life too, apparently.
it's the first fps that got praised for its story, after all.

I haven't played, but apparently you never leave Freeman's viewpoint - you play the whole game without seeing who you are playing as. People sometimes need an image to go with the name, I think.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

On Ulti's suggestion, I've treated Mega Man/Link like an SFF match. This brings Mega Man up to 35.15% on Link, Snake up to 30.1%, MC/LS/Frog up to 29.26%, and Tidus/Shadow up to 24.76%. Now, the problem here is that Zero, since he was adjusted in a similar fashion, is now predicted to 43.12% on MM, meaning he gained .87% due to rSFF.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Well, I am gonna hit the hay.


Congratulations to Link. Here is hoping for a cool Link > Cloud pic tomorrow.
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

Congratulations to Link. Here is hoping for a cool Link > Cloud pic tomorrow.

Did that happen in prior years? Or is that refering to the previous round?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This is the rough draft of my SC2K5 Bracket

Let me know what you think. I think there's some interesting and tough matches in here.


1 Link
16 Lara Croft

8 Marth
9 Roy

5 Aeris
12 Max Payne

4 Zelda
13 Zidane

6 Yoshi
11 Knuckles

3 Squall Leonhart
14 Gordon Freeman

7 Vivi
10 Sarah Kerrigan

2 Ryu (SF)
15 Vaan



1 Cloud
16 Pac-Man

8 Alucard
9 Ryu Hayabusa

5 Zero
12 Ramza

4 Tidus
13 Viewtiful Joe

6 Luigi
11 Jill Valentine

3 Crono
14 Claude

7 Donkey Kong
10 Kirby

2 Mega Man
15 Bass


1 Sephiroth
16 Jak

8 Fox
9 Vyse

5 Bowser
12 Princess Peach

4 Dante
13 Sora

6 Frog
11 Lloyd Irving

3 Magus
14 Ness

7 KOS-MOS
10 Leon Kennedy

2 Solid Snake
15 Flik



1 Samus
16 CATS

8 Captain Falcon
9 Tails

5 Ganondorf
12 Terra

4 Auron
13 Sub-Zero

6 Master Chief
11 Vincent Valentine

3 Sonic
14 CJ

7 Shadow
10 Liquid Snake

2 Mario
15 Sam Fisher

Feedback please!

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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

i just switched the shadow/liquid and dk/kirby groupings so that a mario vs. shadow rematch wouldn't be possible. i htink this bracket is hard to predict though.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

... I'd kind of like to see Cloud pass 60,000 votes.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

First round

1 Link
16 Lara Croft

Link'll whip anyone, so I guess it doesn't matter too much.

8 Marth
9 Roy

Ouch. I'd take Marth, but I don't know. Doesn't really matter. :-P

5 Aeris
12 Max Payne

Aeris, of course.

4 Zelda
13 Zidane

Yay for Zidane! He should do respectably, anyway.

6 Yoshi
11 Knuckles

Tough match...I'd give the nod to Yoshi, but it's hard.

3 Squall Leonhart
14 Gordon Freeman

GFNW.

7 Vivi
10 Sarah Kerrigan

I'll stick with Vivi, 'cause I think D.K. could take Kerrigan.

2 Ryu (SF)
15 Vaan

Oh wow, that's a low seed for an FF main character. I'd take Ryu, but for all we know he could be a powerhouse in the making.

1 Cloud
16 Pac-Man

Fair enough.

8 Alucard
9 Ryu Hayabusa

Give Ryu H. a Ninja Gaiden pic and it could be interesting. I'd still take Alucard, though.

5 Zero
12 Ramza

Poor Ramza, he deserves better.

4 Tidus
13 Viewtiful Joe

Hmm...I don't see V. Joe 2 boosting him above the likes of Tidus, even if Tidus is a wanker.

6 Luigi
11 Jill Valentine

Heh...I don't this match would be as interesting as the extrapolateds from last year would make it out to be. Luigi shouldn't have too much of a struggle here.

3 Crono
14 Claude

Claude's the one character I'm not familiar with here, so I really can't say anything beyond "easy Crono win"

7 Donkey Kong
10 Kirby

I like this one...I'd have to think about it for a while, for sure. Probably go with Kirby in the end.

2 Mega Man
15 Bass

Go Mega, go Mega, it's ya birthday...

1 Sephiroth
16 Jak

Meh...I'd rather not see Jak come back at all.

8 Fox
9 Vyse

Fox should be able to take down fodder like Vyse.

5 Bowser
12 Princess Peach

Bowser would SFF the hell out of her.

4 Dante
13 Sora

Hmm...KH 2 won't be around to help Sora yet, so I'll stick with Dante.

6 Frog
11 Lloyd Irving

Lloyd won't have the name power to stick with Frog.

3 Magus
14 Ness

Ness = PWNED

7 KOS-MOS
10 Leon Kennedy

KOS-MOS gets the nod here.

2 Solid Snake
15 Flik

Gee, I wonder.


1 Samus
16 CATS

ALL YOUR BASE!!!

8 Captain Falcon
9 Tails

I love Falcon, but Tails would win

5 Ganondorf
12 Terra

Ganondorf by a fair margin

4 Auron
13 Sub-Zero

Eh...only interesting here would be seeing how Sub compares to Scorpion.

6 Master Chief
11 Vincent Valentine

Ugh. I'm going with the Chief here.

3 Sonic
14 CJ

This is Sonic's reward for moving up in the rankings this year? Ouch.

7 Shadow
10 Liquid Snake

I'll take Liquid Snake, thanks.

2 Mario
15 Sam Fisher

Mario power!

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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

I agree with Eternal Neo on Mario/Sonic. Does anyone really think it would be close? And I agree that there are better matches to see the two in like Sonic/Magus or something like that.
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That's an intersting analysis, thanks for it. Claude = from Star Ocean 2 and Flik = from Suikoden 1 and 2. Those games both need some sort of representation i think even if it's just fodder. Plus i put sub zero in against auron for the specific purpoes of comparing to scorpion so thanks for noticing. i think the rounds to follow become even tougher to predict, but that's just me. lots of opportunities to get points dinked off in the first round. i'm interested to see how much contrast other analysis brings.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

Ouch. I'd take Marth, but I don't know. Doesn't really matter. :-P

I'm willing to bet that Roy would win, because most people voting in that would probably be SSBM players, I think. There are far too many idiots who believe that Roy is stronger than Marth and is the "better" version of the two, as stupid as that may sound. Almost everyone I've met (in real life) who plays believes that Roy is better of the two. =/

And he also was in FE on GBA, wasn't he?

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Link vs Cloud 2004 moves into 6th beating Mario vs Sephiroth's 123587. It's slowing down quite a bit. At the current rate it will barely make 4th place.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

And he [Roy] also was in FE on GBA, wasn't he?

*FE7 SPOILERS*

For about 10 seconds during the ending. He's Eliwood's son, where Eliwood is the "main" character.

*END FE7 SPOILERS*
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99
45 - perdevious
46 - Ngamer

Count me in.

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Congrats to Guru Bracket Champs nifboy, ps2rulezz, and Hogasm (190 pts)!
Ngamer's Contest Archives: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs

And he also was in FE on GBA, wasn't he?

Roy made a brief cameo in the FE that was released over here.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Everyone who's anyone knows that Marth >> Roy in SSBM. marth = top tier. kekeke.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I agree with Eternal Neo on Mario/Sonic. Does anyone really think it would be close? And I agree that there are better matches to see the two in like Sonic/Magus or something like that.

It's almost ridiculous NOT to do Sonic vs Mario at this point. This is the closest they will likely ever be in the extrapolateds and the match has been a long time coming. Also, yes it would be close. Shadow got 45% on Mario remember?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Everyone who's anyone knows that Marth >> Roy in SSBM. marth = top tier. kekeke.

TEH FIRE > Sword of no Anwser

=D
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I'll just comment on CaptainFlufflez' first divison

- What is Ryu posing as a 2nd seed?

-Both Marth and Roy are too high, but I like that matchup since it isn't predictable.

-I want the fillers gone, no Gordon Freeman please!

-No Max Payne, there are at least 64 more popular characters.

-16th seed sounds about right for Lara.

-There are too many fillers in other divisions as well. Granted, it won't make a difference against the likes of Link and Cloud, but trust me, no fillers = better 2nd rd matchups in general.

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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Mario 34.77
Sonic 33.54

There's no reason not to do that, and throw in Magus, too.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

TRE you might be able to get the first vote in every match but I'm willing to throw peanuts that my melee Marth >>> your melee Roy any day. Teh fire is no match for teh meteor smash.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

Everyone who's anyone knows that Marth >> Roy in SSBM. marth = top tier. kekeke.

I know. But how many people go online to find those things out? They think: "WHOAMG TEH FIAR!!!111" and assume that he has fire so he is stronger and they think his attacks are stronger because they don't understand spacing. For most people, I think he would be more popular. I would bet on Marth being more popular with people who are actually pretty good, though.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

A contest without Gordon Freeman or CATS is a contest I would not want to participate in.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Marth > Roy in SSBM.

Fact.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

TEH FIRE > Sword of no Anwser

=D

Heh. Only thing Roy has on Marth is the DED which pulls Marth in some and and can set him up a bit. But Marth has range, speed, and power over him...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Just stick Mario in same division with Snake and Sonic then. Let them fight it out for the division. Sephiroth and Samus can take the 2nd division. Megaman and Crono can take the 3rd, and have Megaman go through Magus and Crono go through Zero. Link and Cloud the 4th and final division.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Second round:

1 Link / 8 Marth - Link takes it no sweat.
5 Aeris / 4 Zelda - I'll give the nod to Aeris...shouldn't be that close, either.
6 Yoshi / 3 Squall Leonhart - Squall, by a fair margin.
7 Vivi / 2 Ryu (SF) - Poor Vivi. I think he could do 40%+ though.

1 Cloud / 8 Alucard - Rematch, same result.
5 Zero / 4 Tidus - Tidus is a weenie.
6 Luigi / 3 Crono - Watch Luigi get smacked around.
10 Kirby / 2 Mega Man - Megalicious.

1 Sephiroth / 8 Fox - Ew...that's gonna be messy.
5 Bowser / 4 Dante - Hmm...tough call, but I'm siding with Bowser.
6 Frog / 3 Magus - Magus should take this...shouldn't be that close either.
7 KOS-MOS / 2 Solid Snake - Solid's cruising along here.

1 Samus / 9 Tails - Worst beating yet for Tails.
5 Ganondorf / 4 Auron - Auron triumphs where Tidus failed.
6 Master Chief / 3 Sonic - This one...hmm...better be safe and stick with Sonic. But MC could be threatening with Halo 2 on his side.
10 Liquid Snake / 2 Mario - If Liquid's legit, he should be able to pull around 40% here.

Third round

Link/Aeris - I think Aeris can break 30%, no problem.
Squall/Ryu - Eek. My gut says to side with Squaresoft here, but...eek.

Cloud/Zero - Good test of Zero's strength, even though he's no threat to Cloud.
Crono/Mega Man - I'll take Crono, 'cause I don't know what's going on with Mega.

Sephiroth/Bowser - Sephy fairly easily.
Magus/Snake - You're trying to tempt me here...but I won't bite, if for no other reason than Snake Eater.

Samus/Auron - Samus is still looking good, but Auron won't be a pushover by any means. A good test of his strength, come to think of it.
Sonic/Mario - Mario should take this.

Fourth round -

Link/Squall - Self explanatory
Cloud/Crono - Same
Sephiroth/Solid Snake (or Magus...it's hard) - Ditto
Samus/Mario - Metroid Prime 2 should settle this one.

Fifth round -

Link/Cloud - Link wins again, putting this rivalry to bed.
Sephy/Samus - Advent Children trumps MP2, in my book.

Finals -

Link/Sephy - :: yawn ::


Overall...I like it. Guess the finals will be boring regardless...can't be helped.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

i didn't realize cloud vs. alucard is a rematch. maybe i should do a little adjustment with the 8v9 matches.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I'm really surprised at how many people apparently lurk this topic.

I'm not sure if you'd consider me a lurker or not, but the main reason I don't post more is that things move so quickly that I'm usually a few hundred messages behind. It's hard to keep up since I work during the day. =/
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 140/160
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Cloud with 50%

I must've missed something, but what exactly is that big list of 40-some people about that people keep adding themselves to?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

A list to participate on the making of the SC2K5 bracket.

Count me too for that, BTW.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Summer 2004 Unadjusted Extrapolated Standings!

Name XS on Link
1 Link 50.00
2 Cloud Strife 48.18
3 Sephiroth 42.40
4 Samus Aran 39.50
5 Crono 37.18
6 Mario 34.77
7 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.57
8 Mega Man 32.39
9 Ryu 29.85
10 Zero 28.50
11 Solid Snake 27.73
12 Auron 27.39
13 Sora 26.98
14 Frog 26.96
15 Master Chief 26.96
16 Liquid Snake 26.93
17 Dante 25.49
18 Vivi 25.23
19 Squall Leonhart 22.92
20 Tidus 22.82
21 KOS-MOS 22.61
22 Magus 22.47
23 Shadow 22.45
24 Knuckles 22.44
25 Donkey Kong 21.96
26 Tommy Vercetti 21.75
27 Tails 21.72
28 Ryu Hayabusa 20.65
29 Jill Valentine 20.65
30 Kirby 20.63
31 Bowser 20.41
32 Viewtiful Joe 19.63
33 Scorpion 19.25
34 Ness 19.15
35 Duke Nukem 19.09
36 Kefka 19.09
37 HK-47 18.59
38 Yoshi 18.26
39 Vyse 17.91
40 Jak 17.20
41 Luigi 16.62
42 Max Payne 16.55
43 Conker 16.37
44 Bomberman 16.16
45 Protoman 16.12
46 Crash Bandicoot 15.79
47 Sam Fisher 15.03
48 Kain 14.58
49 Laharl 14.25
50 Lara Croft 13.91
51 Gordon Freeman 13.40
52 Terry Bogard 12.86
53 CATS 12.71
54 Ganondorf 12.10
55 Sly Cooper 11.56
56 JC Denton 11.45
57 Earthworm Jim 11.03
58 Pac Man 10.73
59 Alucard 10.37
60 Ratchet 10.05
61 Ryo Hazuki 8.62
62 Luca Blight 8.52
63 Guybrush Threepwood 6.94
64 Tanner 3.16

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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

59 Alucard 10.37

*sigh*

And sora barely edged out frog/MC, cool! Incredible increase there
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

RPGuy96's SFF Adjusted Extrapolated Rankings!

Name XS on Link
1 Link 50.00
2 Cloud Strife 48.18
3 Sephiroth 42.40
4 Samus Aran 39.50
5 Crono 37.18
6 Mega Man 35.15
7 Mario 34.77
8 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.57
9 Magus 31.81
10 Ganondorf 31.62
11 Zero 30.31
12 Solid Snake 30.10
13 Ryu 29.85
14 Frog 29.26
15 Master Chief 29.26
16 Liquid Snake 29.23
17 Squall Leonhart 28.89
18 Auron 28.22
19 Bowser 28.21
20 Alucard 27.09
21 Sora 26.98
22 Vivi 26.50
23 Kirby 25.99
24 Dante 25.49
25 Tidus 24.76
26 Yoshi 24.63
27 Shadow 24.36
28 Knuckles 24.35
29 Tommy Vercetti 23.13
30 Donkey Kong 23.07
31 KOS-MOS 22.61
32 Luigi 22.42
33 Tails 21.72
34 Protoman 21.69
35 Kefka 20.72
36 Ryu Hayabusa 20.65
37 Jill Valentine 20.65
38 Bomberman 20.37
39 Scorpion 19.84
40 Ness 19.73
41 Viewtiful Joe 19.63
42 Duke Nukem 19.09
43 HK-47 18.59
44 Kain 18.38
45 Vyse 17.91
46 Jak 17.73
47 Max Payne 17.60
48 Crash Bandicoot 17.13
49 Conker 16.37
50 Sam Fisher 15.03
51 Pac Man 14.47
52 Laharl 14.25
53 Lara Croft 13.91
54 Gordon Freeman 13.40
55 Terry Bogard 12.86
56 CATS 12.71
57 Luca Blight 12.06
58 Earthworm Jim 11.97
59 Ryo Hazuki 11.63
60 Sly Cooper 11.56
61 JC Denton 11.45
62 Ratchet 10.05
63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.60
64 Tanner 3.43

Adjusted Matches:
Link/Mega Man (20XXDF)
Link/Yoshi
Mega Man/Zero
Cloud/Squall
Sephiroth/Auron
Link/Ganondorf
Crono/Magus
Sephiroth/Vivi
Zero/Protoman
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Ryu in the noble nine! YES! *****!
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BIGPUN999 is all man! Tee-hee
I hate you so much PUN.

35.39% predicted it.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

35.39% - More than one in three brackets - successfully had Link as their winner.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Apparently people didn't lose that much faith in him after 2003 and the Spring...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Awesome job, Link. ;)
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
*creator of Clinkeroth*

I like those adjusted stats. Much better than what was originally done,

I'm going to get some sleep.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

It's almost ridiculous NOT to do Sonic vs Mario at this point. This is the closest they will likely ever be in the extrapolateds and the match has been a long time coming. Also, yes it would be close. Shadow got 45% on Mario remember?


well I woudn't call it ridiculous, I mean 45%, yeah, and that's probably right around what you would get, its a shaky comparison, but not TOO many people switched from frog/ls to frog/ss, okay a couple thousand did, well...alright that is alot, but still, I don't think anyone here would pick Sonic for that matchup. Its quirky to see, and I wouldn't mind it entirely, but then a Sonic/Magus can't happen, or it can't happen without stunting one of the three, right? My view on it is this: The match should have happened, but we all know that Mario is going to win (or at least I think he would comfortabley) and if it can happen without jipping (sp I believe) either of them, then cool, but it seems like we know whos gonna win.

heh, and just to through a remember question back at you, remember:
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 29.43% 21647
Super Mario World 70.57% 51911
TOTAL VOTES 73558

heh, and I know your comparison is much better, but still, just had to have fun : )
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

35%? Sheesh. Predictable much?
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Current score: 147/160 Next match: Cloud. Go Link!!!

So no more people can go into that list? Aww....
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Score-Brackets-% Right
160---0--------N/A
159---6--------83.3333333
158---16-------37.5000000
157---43-------27.9069767
156---66-------31.8181818
155---87-------39.0804598
154---88-------37.5000000
153---107------47.6635514
152---114------43.8596491
151---140------48.5714286
150---129------45.7364341
149---149------48.9932886
148---156------45.5128205
147---171------50.2923977
146---196------51.0204082
145---178------57.3033708
144---227------51.1013216
143---236------55.9322034
142---265------48.3018868
141---273------45.4212454
140---298------55.0335570
139---304------53.9473684
138---310------52.2580645
137---314------56.3694268
136---370------51.8918919
135---362------53.5911602
134---388------55.1546392
133---386------51.0362694
132---434------52.0737327
131---424------53.7735849
130---424------50.4716981
129---441------53.7414966
128---466------50.0000000
127---432------51.8518519
126---460------53.2608696
125---401------48.6284289
124---501------49.9001996
123---435------46.6666667
122---464------48.2758621
121---448------47.3214286
120---427------48.4777518
119---463------49.2440605
118---477------46.5408805
117---436------44.2660550
116---459------45.9694989
115---425------47.0588235
114---429------43.8228438
113---445------44.2696629
112---471------47.3460722
111---420------41.9047619
110---443------42.4379233
109---450------42.8888889
108---458------39.7379913
107---448------41.2946429
106---417------37.1702638
105---459------36.3834423
104---447------34.2281879
103---439------35.7630979
102---438------37.4429224
101---418------38.7559809
100---459------37.4727669
99----424------37.0283019
98----405------34.8148148
97----380------37.8947368
96----405------33.0864198
95----368------35.8695652
94----363------28.0991736
93----391------29.4117647
92----354------30.2259887
91----352------28.4090909
90----357------27.1708683
89----351------27.3504274
88----327------29.9694190
87----327------27.5229358
86----324------23.1481481
85----300------23.0000000
84----317------23.0283912
83----305------26.2295082
82----301------20.5980066
81----252------21.8253968
80----297------23.9057239
79----278------20.1438849
78----239------16.3179916
77----232------14.2241379
76----236------13.5593220
75----202------10.3960396
74----214------16.3551402
73----188------10.6382979
72----211------12.3222749
71----180------13.8888889
70----203------6.8965517
69----194------9.2783505
68----206------7.2815534
67----189------5.2910053
66----153------5.2287582
65----179------8.3798883
64----152------4.6052632
63----150------4.6666667
62----157------3.8216561
61----180------3.3333333
60----128------2.1582734
59----139------2.1582734
58----139------2.1582734
57----139------0.7194245
56----161------1.8633540
55----121------1.6528926
54----106------0.0000000
53----104------1.9230769

Nobody with a score of 52 or lower got the match right. The top tiers for the first time in quite a while, bombed on this match. The mid tiers had nearly double the top tier's prediction percentages.

Thirty people fell off the Top 50 today. The Guvna, EMIN3M, Cyberclaw, PugTheNinja, Terran, KrahenProphet, Weird Kirby Dude11, crypptic, squallomega, chuckleslovakian, CantFaketheFunk, Kirin17, Girs Doom, Mister Yuya, Kehas, Immortal Prophet, mariomasta, Heroic joke account, Nickman8585, Dark115, Steinershocker, Nerve, shadowmaster4, Crono801, TheTeenagePinoy, Lancelot BT, Lord Abortion, BuutenksShinhan, eviltelly and Ikon fell off the Top 50.

Finally, for the first time since my 2 week stay as number 1 on the Top 50 ending after Round 18, I'm back as 45th place. Looks like submitting by bracket 3 minutes after CjayC started accepting them paid off in the end. =D
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

random facts

this was the 5th most popular poll in contest history, barely between 4th and 6th.

the average score on gameFAQs was 115.6675

Nobody seemed to care about the scores per division and per round, so I'll save the space.
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

Nobody seemed to care about the scores per division and per round, so I'll save the space.

Actually, I thought it was interesting... I just didn't respond because I was probably way behind when I read it.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 140/160
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Cloud with 50%

Whoa, a lot of people still had faith in Link.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Snake appears to range from 11 to 16 on these lists. O_o

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"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

in case anyone's interested:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1368

the followup poll after last year's contest.
wonder how it'll measure up to this year's in the end...
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redline15: irrepressible pessimist

BeTheMan, I'd keep these 37:

Link
Ganondorf
Alucard
Yoshi
Magus
Crono
Bowser
Mario

Mega Man
Tidus
Shadow
Tommy Vercetti
Zero
Protoman
Frog
Liquid Snake
Master Chief
Kefka
Knuckles
Solid Snake

Cloud
Kirby
Squall
Ness
Auron
Vivi
Sephiroth

Sonic
Kos-Mos
Ryu
Viewtiful Joe
Tails
Dante
Sora
Ryu Hayabusa
Jill Valentine
Samus Aran
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

And I'd add these 27 to 37 mentioned above:

Zelda
Aeris
Zidane
Cid
Leon Kennedy
Sarah Kerrigan
Aya Brea
NiGHTS (I know the game bombed in the spring, but I think he'll do well)
Morrigan
Vincent

Fox McCloud
Captain Falcon
Roy
Chun-Li
Lloyd Irving (or Kratos)
Arthas
Alex Roivas (good enough for a 16th seed?)
Joanna Dark
Seung Mina
Mewtwo

Terra
Banjo
Brandon Heat(or Beyond the Grave)
Toad
Peach
Sub-Zero
Diddy Kong


Please comment on the list, I'd like to make a bracket like rest of ya'll... ^.^



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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

I completely support the idea of creating the next bracket and submitting it to Ceej (if he agrees to it).

I only post here occasionally, but I do read through all the discussion topics.

We need a better bracket for next year, and pretty much every bracket I've seen posted in these topics has been a HUGE improvement over the one we had this year.

I don't think it will give an advantage to the people who created it, the whole purpose of it is to make something hard to predict for everyone. If anything, the bracket we had this year was too easy for anybody who even glances at some of the stats. People still think Vercetti is going places when we know he isn't going anywhere.
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Current score: 147/160 Next match: Cloud. Go Link!!!

I just woke up to see where I ranked in the final standings. 27th!

Anyways, about the extrapolateds, let me just say once and ONLY once that I think that any Square character that goes directly against Link will undoubtedly get a boost in the extrapolated rankings that may skew their relative strength against others. Just my 2 cents before I go back to sleep.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Add my name to that - I WANNA MAKE BRACKET dealie.

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If you add monster truck tires to the Pope-mobile, religion suddenly becomes funny - SSJ3 Popo

here's how the top ten lists ended:

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.00% - (ii)Frog over Master Cheif
2) 0.04% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
3) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
5) 2.78% - (iii) Solid Snake over Frog
6) 3.64% - (vi) Link over Cloud
7) 8.96% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
8) 9.60% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
9) 10.02% - (ii) Squall over Kirby
10) 10.16% - Ness over Jak

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 7 - (ii) Frog over Master Cheif
2) 27 - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
3) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
5) 2429 - (iii) Solid Snake over Frog
6) 4533 - (vi) Link over Cloud
7) 6769 - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
8) 7397 - Ness over Jak
9) 7673 - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
10) 8163 - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.80% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 75.66% - Link over CATS
4) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
5) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
6) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
8) 64.78% - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
9) 63.12% - (iii) Link over Yoshi
10) 62.82% - (ii) Cloud Strife over Vyse

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 66655 - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 62319 - Link over CATS
5) 59394 - (iii) Link over Yoshi
6) 57252 - (ii) Cloud Strife over Vyse
7) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
8) 54178 - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
9) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
10) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 124353 - (vi) Link vs. Cloud
2) 101451 - (v) Cloud vs. Samus
3) 96595 - (iii) Mario vs. Crono
4) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
5) 94535 - (v) Link vs. Megaman
6) 93661 - (iv) Link vs. Crono
7) 93558 - (iii) Link vs. Yoshi
8) 93546 - (ii) Squall vs. Kirby
9) 91390 - (iv) Cloud vs. Sephiroth
10) 91146 - (ii) Cloud vs. Vyse

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70413 - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
3) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
4) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
5) 74039 - Dante vs. Ratchet
6) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
7) 75219 - Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman
8) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
9) 75533 - (ii) Luigi vs. Yoshi
10) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 77295 - (ii) Link
3) 76476 - (iii) Link
4) 74251 - Solid Snake
5) 74199 - (ii) Cloud
6) 72344 - Link
7) 71329 - Cloud
8) 70219 - Megaman
9) 68889 - Samus Aran
10) 68050 - (iii) Cloud

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 10640 - (ii) Ganondorf
4) 12243 - Sly Cooper
5) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
6) 12847 - J.C. Denton
7) 13367 - Luca Blight
8) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
9) 14602 - Ratchet
10) 14721 - Lara Croft

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 59910 - (vi) Cloud Strife
2) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 45517 - (ii) Master Cheif
4) 45165 - (iii) Mario
5) 43820 - Liquid Snake
6) 42563 - (iii) Frog
7) 42084 - (ii) Kirby
8) 41584 - (v) Samus Aran
9) 40211 - (iv) Sephiroth
10) 37517 - (iv) Solid Snake

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 35220 - Ryu Hayabusa
2) 40130 - Ness
3) 41151 - (ii) Yoshi
4) 41440 - Vyse
5) 41691 - Sam Fisher
6) 43775 - Tails
7) 43795 - (ii) Sonic
8) 43913 - Frog
9) 44992 - (iii) Solid Snake
10) 45109 - (ii) Dante

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 96.48% - (ii) Cloud Strife over Vyse
9) 96.07% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
10) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 22.56% - (ii) Frog over Master Cheif
2) 31.34% - (iv) Megaman over Solid Snake
3) 31.57% - (ii) Zero over Tommy Vercetti
4) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 35.39% - (vi) Link over Cloud
6) 38.31% - (iii) Crono over Mario
7) 39.06% - (ii) Sora over Ryu Hayabusa
8) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
9) 43.86% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
10) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

You know there's a problem when a first round match, ANY first round match, is more unpredictable than the championship.

I don't see what the big deal is with the "We need tons of newcomers" thing. After all, the characters we already have CAN make for fun and interesting matches. Besides, there's not much new blood left that wouldn't be fodder. Bringing back old 2002 figures, like Strider, Kasumi, Morrigan and Aya would help.

Nominations could be dropped as far as I'm concerned. 47 characters from last year made this year's bracket, so it's fairly obvious that the same characters will always get in. Including the likes of Ryo and Guybrush, who I'm sure no one here would try to not let go.

I'm of the opinion fallen legends like Crash and Duke would make much better fodder than some random dude from some random game. And despite Lara bombing against Samus, her performance there was far from following up with the other two years. I'd give her the benefit of the doubt and a 13/14-seed.
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A goblin without trolls is like Bush without pretzels - it's just no fun for the audience. -Shake

What was the final vote total for link? I can't find it anywhere. Thanks. By the way I love reading your guys stuff in these topics. It's cool to see people work on these contest like this.

Interesting stat: Crono was the only character that Link DIDN'T break 60,000 votes on.

Taking a shower now.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Yesterday's results: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1780
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A goblin without trolls is like Bush without pretzels - it's just no fun for the audience. -Shake

Slowflake: I'd like to see some new characters make it in, though, espesically when new games warrant it. For example, it'd be cool to see how much damage an untested FFVII character could do, and I'd also be interested in seeing the FFXII characters ultimately enter things. A new MGS character from MGS3 would rock, as would a ToS character (even as fodder if necessary), and CJ replacing or being added in addition to Vercetti is all but necessary given the release of San Andreas.


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"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

no no NO NO NO the board does NOT need to make the bracket. talk about a way to cause a flamewar...

i want nominations, just plain unfooled around with.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Not this board. Just the people in the stats topic. I'd like to think that people in here are mature enough to try to work on a bracket without flaming...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well I've moved up about 460 spots finishing this contest tied at 340

also who won the guru's contest?
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192

I have seen two persons that didn't change the list.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99
45 - perdevious
46 - Ngamer
47 - Heroic Hentai Fanboy/DtK
48 - Funkadelict
49 - Sephirot1

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Number 50 in the SC2K4!

Well, Only 212 peeps finsihed above me. Had Frog won...I would have finished in Top 50...wow...

Still 212 aint too bad...bring on the spring contest! grr!

Now all that matters is MK Deception comes out tomorrow...look for me on Xbox Live kiddies :)
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 183/192 MK Deception: Oct 5!

Here's the updated all-time list (this contests are in bold)

All Time Records

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 90.40% - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 88.60% - Solid Snake vs. Tanner (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
3) 84.60% - Mega Man vs. Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 83.68% - Mega Man vs. Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 82.70% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 82.30% - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 77.92% - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 76.84% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 75.80% - Link vs. Ganondorf (II) from 2004 Summer Contest
10) 75.66% - Link vs. CATS (I) from 2004 Summer Contest

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 88208 - Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 84196 - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 80505 - Mega Man vs. Mr. Resetti (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
4) 79918 - Cloud Strife vs. CATS (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 78272 - Legend of Zelda: LTTP vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 77511 - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 76348 - Final Fantasy 7 vs. Suikoden 2 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 74682 - Final Fantasy vs. Pitfall (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 73838 - Crono vs. Tom Nook (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 70809 - Sephiroth vs. Max Payne (II) from 2003 Summer Contest

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.00% - Frog vs. Master Chief (II) from 2004 Summer Contest
2) 0.04% - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 0.04% - Metal Gear Solid vs. Final Fantasy Tactics (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
2) 0.04% - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
5) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 0.10% - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 0.10% - Frog vs. Liquid Snake (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
8) 0.14% - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 0.20% - Starcraft vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (III) from 2004 Spring Contest
10) 0.22% - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 7 - Frog vs. Master Chief (II) from 2004 Summer Contest
2) 27 - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
3) 34 - Samus Aran vs. Sonic the Hedgehog (III) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 38 - Metal Gear Solid vs. Final Fantasy Tactics (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
5) 93 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
6) 115 - Mario vs. Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 137 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 143 - Donkey Kong vs. Duck Hunt (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 171 - Starcraft vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (III) from 2004 Spring Contest
10) 277 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 147637 - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 133005 - Mario vs. Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 129703 - Mario vs. Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 124443 - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 124353 - Link vs. Cloud (VI) from 2004 Summer Contest
6) 124192 - Sephiroth vs. Mega Man (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 123587 - Sephiroth vs. Mario (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 118961 - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 116190 - Squall Leonhart vs. Luigi (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 115738 - Ganondorf vs. Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest

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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 50816 - Max Payne vs. Dirk the Daring (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 51889 - Pac-Man vs. Kyo Kusanagi (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 52419 - Bomberman vs. Kane (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 52618 - Donkey Kong vs. Bub (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 52874 - Duke Nukem vs. Iori Yagami (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 53213 - Mario vs. Servbot (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 53920 - Kyo Kusanagi vs. Abe (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 54997 - Serious Sam vs. Mr. Driller (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 55392 - Ryo Hazuki vs. Guybrush Threepwood (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 56361 - Tina Armstrong vs. Gordon Freeman (I) from 2002 Summer Contest

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 94086 - Cloud Strife (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 92998 - Link (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 92894 - Legend of Zelda (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
4) 91905 - Mega Man (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
5) 91749 - Final Fantasy 7 (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 90364 - Sephiroth (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 89595 - Sephiroth (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 89189 - Mario (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 88469 - Crono (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 86938 - Final Fantasy (I) from 2004 Spring Contest

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
2) 4686 - Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 5257 - Ms. Pac-Man (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 5414 - Serious Sam (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 8418 - Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
6) 8602 - Gabe Logan (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 8802 - AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 9559 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
9) 10025 - CATS (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
10) 10640 - Ganondorf (II) from 2004 Summer Contest

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 71438 - Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 66434 - Crono (III) from 2003 Summer Contest
3) 64713 - Cloud Strife (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 59910 - Cloud Strife (VI) from 2004 Summer Contest
5) 59865 - Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 57078 - Tidus (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
7) 56258 - Halo (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 55322 - Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
9) 54529 - Ganondorf (II) from 2003 Summer Contest
10) 53716 - Crono (V) from 2002 Summer Contest

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 30662 - Strider Hiryu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
2) 30711 - Pikachu (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
3) 31160 - Kyo Kusanagi (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
4) 31798 - Donkey Kong (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 32301 - Serious Sam (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
6) 32602 - Donkey Kong (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
7) 32607 - Pac-Man (II) from 2002 Summer Contest
8) 33160 - Duke Nukem (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 33516 - Alucard (I) from 2002 Summer Contest
10) 33602 - Sonic the Hedgehog (II) from 2002 Summer Contest

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Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 99.12% - Link vs. AiAi (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 99.02% - The Legend of Zelda vs. Adventure (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 98.79% - Link vs. CATS (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
4) 98.28% - Mario vs. JC Denton (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
5) 97.99% - Mario vs. Captain Olimar (I) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 97.97% - Cloud vs. Duke Nukem (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
7) 97.75% - Zelda: A Link to the Past vs. Gunstar Heroes (I) from 2004 Spring Contest
8) 97.47% - Mega Man vs. Earthworm Jim (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
9) 97.47% - Sonic vs. Terry (I) from 2004 Summer Contest
10) 97.37% - Sephiroth vs. Sly (I) from 2004 Summer Contest

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 6.04% - Cloud Strife vs. Sephiroth (VI) from 2003 Summer Contest
2) 7.16% - Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Starcraft (IV) from 2004 Spring Contest
3) 7.91% - Starcraft vs. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (III) from 2004 Spring Contest
4) 12.77% - Link vs. Mario (VI) from 2002 Summer Contest
5) 13.37% - Cloud Strife vs. Link (V) from 2003 Summer Contest
6) 14.18% - Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. Final Fantasy X (III) from 2004 Spring Contest
7) 14.53% - Mega Man vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2003 Summer Contest
8) 14.63% - Crono vs. Solid Snake (IV) from 2002 Summer Contest
9) 15.62% - Starcraft vs. Kingdom Hearts (II) from 2004 Spring Contest
10) 17.33% - Scorpion vs. Pac-Man (III) from 2002 Summer Contest

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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192

Wasn't here for a few days (busy) but I know what happened. I've read something about you guys making the next contest. Seems like a really good idea. You could put the characters close to each other in extrapolated rankings against each other, to avoid boring matches CjayC makes. And I saw a list with people on it. What is that list exactly?
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190/192 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

for a private board so we can make the contest

(doing one on this board is suicidal)
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192

ok then

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99
45 - perdevious
46 - Ngamer
47 - Heroic Hentai Fanboy/DtK
48 - Funkadelict
49 - Sephirot1
50 - ps2rulezzz
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94/96 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

can't let part 80 be ahead of this one
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

I present to you....the Summer 2004 "Optimum" Bracket (entirely based on the extrapolated standings)!

Hyrule Division:

1- Link
16- Tanner

8- Viewtiful Joe
9- Scorpion

5- Dante
12- Kain

4- Liquid Snake
13- Laharl

6- KOS-MOS
11- Bomberman

3- Auron
14- CATS

7- Donkey Kong
10- Jak

2- Mega Man
15- Earthworm Jim

Zebes Division:

1- Samus Aran
16- Ryo Hazuki

8- Jill Valentine
9- Kefka

5- Tidus
12- Protoman

4- Sora
13- Terry Bogard

6- Knuckles
11- Luigi

3- Ryu
14- JC Denton

7- Ryu Hayabusa
10- HK-47

2- Crono
15- Ratchet

Midgar Division:

1- Cloud Strife
16- Guybrush Threepwood

8- Bowser
9- Ness

5- Vivi
12- Sam Fisher

4- Master Chief
13- Lara Croft

6- Magus
11- Conker

3- Solid Snake
14- Ganondorf

7- Tommy Vercetti
10- Vyse

2- Sonic the Hedgehog
15- Pac-Man

Meteor Division:

1- Sephiroth
16- Luca Blight

8- Kirby
9- Duke Nukem

5- Squall Leonheart
12- Crash Bandicoot

4- Frog
13- Gordon Freeman

6- Shadow
11- Max Payne

3- Zero
14- Sly Cooper

7- Tails
10- Yoshi

2- Mario
15- Alucard
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

This is so many stats it's disturbing @_@
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You can't lead if you send mexed missag- mixed messages.

Link/Tanner would be the best match ever. Would 96.75/3.25 really surprise anyone? Could it actually be worse?

Random thought: Better than 1 in 3 brackets had Link? Wow. Curious as to how many had Cloud. Bet it was something close to that.

I want to hit topic 100 before we hit 2005. That is about 1 every 3.5 days. We can do it. But no flooding, y'all.

Congrats to all of those whose names look familiar on the leader board!


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nifboy kicked ass and took names, including my own in SC2k4

probably not. We only filled about 10/15 topics during last year's off-season, but maybe before the next contest
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99
45 - perdevious
46 - Ngamer
47 - Heroic Hentai Fanboy/DtK
48 - Funkadelict
49 - Sephirot1
50 - ps2rulezzz
51 - yoblazer33
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
*creator of Clinkeroth*

My final adjusted extrapolateds (for now. :-P)

Link - 50.00%
Cloud - 48.18%
Sephiroth - 42.76%
Samus Aran - 39.50%
Crono - 37.18%
Mario - 34.77%
Mega Man - 34.29%
Sonic the Hedgehog - 33.56%

Zero - 30.67%
Ryu - 29.84%
Magus - 29.42%
Solid Snake - 29.36%
Ganondorf - 29.07%
Auron - 28.89%
Frog - 28.54%
Master Chief - 28.54%

Liquid Snake - 28.51%
Squall Leonhart - 27.23%
Sora - 26.98%
Vivi - 26.71%
Bowser - 25.92%
Dante - 25.49%
Alucard - 24.91%
Kirby - 24.50%

Tidus - 24.15%%
Knuckles the Echidna - 23.76%
Shadow the Hedgehog - 23.76%
Yoshi - 23.55%
Tommy Vercetti - 23.41%
Donkey Kong - 23.25%
KOS-MOS - 22.60%
Luigi - 22.13%

Miles "Tails" Prower - 21.72%
Ryu Hayabusa - 20.66%
Jill Valentine - 20.65%
Scorpion - 20.31%
Kefka - 20.22%
Ness - 20.20%
Viewtiful Joe - 19.63%
Bomberman - 19.19%

Duke Nukem - 19.09%
HK-47 - 18.59%
Jak - 18.14%
Vyse - 17.91%
Max Payne - 17.81%
Protoman - 17.50%
Kain - 17.33%
Crash Bandicoot - 16.71%

Conker - 16.37%
Sam Fisher - 15.03%
Pac-Man - 14.28%
Laharl - 14.25%
Lara Croft - 13.91%
Gordon Freeman - 13.39%
Terry Bogard - 12.86%
CATS - 12.17%

Earthworm Jim - 11.67%
Sly Cooper - 11.66%
JC Denton - 11.45%
Luca Blight - 11.16%
Ryo Hazuki - 11.12%
Ratchet - 10.17%
Guybrush Threepwood - 8.82%
Tanner - 3.35%

I think I might run a comparison chart of RPGuy96's figures and mine at some point (if that's okay with him)...and then maybe average the figures together to see what that turns out like.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

So this list is to help make the next bracket, oh I'm so in...

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99
45 - perdevious
46 - Ngamer
47 - Heroic Hentai Fanboy/DtK
48 - Funkadelict
49 - Sephirot1
50 - ps2rulezzz
51 - yoblazer33
52 - Who Cares?

Random thought: Better than 1 in 3 brackets had Link? Wow. Curious as to how many had Cloud. Bet it was something close to that.

I was wondering - does anyone think that some of the so-called casual brackets might've bought into the whole "anti-champion" idea and therefore assume that Link would win this year? I just think it is unusually high, considering how many people have absolutely no clue what went on in past years:

There are so many misconceptions about Mario vs. Crono last year - someone believed that Mario had made up 1000 votes in 10 minutes. I saw someone else earlier who believed that Sonic was ahead by about 700 votes until the last 15 minutes and all of sudden Samus was ahead.

Where the hell do these people get these ideas?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I may not post all that much here, but I've read every single post in here since I arrived on teh board.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000
23 - HaRRicH
24 - nifboy
25 - Ludwig Von 2
26 - TheGreatMaster
27 - Heroic Mario
28 - Link Jr
29 - NewLib
30 - blackapino1984
31 - tnote827
32 - Young Boy
33 - MegatokyoED
34 - kaonashi1
35 - FastFalcon05
36 - Slangedter41
37 - BeTheMan
38 - Mister Mario
39 - irriadin
40 - Lucid Faia
41 - Fantusta
42 - charmander6000
43- Phediuk
44 - LuniNutz99
45 - perdevious
46 - Ngamer
47 - Heroic Hentai Fanboy/DtK
48 - Funkadelict
49 - Sephirot1
50 - ps2rulezzz
51 - yoblazer33
52 - Who Cares?
53 - Steinershocker
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Because you don't know doesn't mean I don't know. - Heroic Mario
Lettuce Kefka > all

Well 31.28% had someone in the other half winning and I'm just guessing, but I say that around 20%-25% had Cloud winning
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

Well 31.28% had someone in the other half winning and I'm just guessing, but I say that around 20%-25% had Cloud winning

Which is low, really, considering he was the returning champion.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I think that Link's trailer turned a few heads and even in a poll before the contest Link was the winner there
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Summer 2004 Contest 181/192
Congates to Nifboy, the guru winner, who had to PWN me just to get there

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1685
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1558

Link #1's percentages aren't dead-on, but I think they give a decent idea of how things went. Link #2 showed the dominance FF7 had and a lack of support for LoZ:OoT (or any other 2-seed or lower). Both of these took place before their respective contests started.

Do polls like these make the contests more predictable?!
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

For all the people who claim to read every stats topic, I find it amusing that people are still signing that list despite me mentioning at least three times that I've sent the e-mail already.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

For all the people who claim to read every stats topic, I find it amusing that people are still signing that list despite me mentioning at least three times that I've sent the e-mail already.

Heh. Are you writing up your PCA as you get time to do it, or did you have some of the early matches written up beforehand?

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Those polls matter little. Halo was ahead of SMB3 in the spring, after all.

Interesting stat: Link is the only character to win the contest after appearing on top of the bracket. Mario, Link (2003), and Super Mario Brothers 3 all failed in their efforts.

Yes, they should be constantly running 28.64% 6462
Sure, they're always fun 34.23% 7724
Maybe, but I'm getting tired of the character battle 26.38% 5951
No, they're old, do something new 10.75% 2426
TOTAL VOTES 22563

I'm glad the first and second options recovered. The first three options were dead even when I went to sleep last night, and though the third option holds merit, it's the direct result of a bad contest this bracket, not because the contest has become stale. We could easily come up with a bracket that would restore the glory days of 2002 to us once more if given the chance.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

I'm going to the bathroom, and then I'm going to do nothing but write all day. Be right back :)
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

Does anyone think it is possible to have improved voting next year? I assume that having a good bracket would help with that in and of itself, because good, close matches almost always seem to draw votes...

Still amazed by that 124,000 vote match yesterday, after so many matches failed to break 80,000. O.o


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

For all the people who claim to read every stats topic, I find it amusing that people are still signing that list despite me mentioning at least three times that I've sent the e-mail already.

Oops, my bad! I didn't see those posts, I just noticed the list in the later pages. Haven't been around this topic in a loooooong time!

I'm going to the bathroom, and then I'm going to do nothing but write all day. Be right back :)

Thank you. ^.^

And yes, I know I'm being an impatient bastard, but I can't wait. ;_;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I find it amusing that people are still signing that list despite me mentioning at least three times that I've sent the e-mail already.

I think it is important to have a list so we can know who wants to be invited if the idea continues and Ceej allows it.

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BeTheMan, how exactly did you calculate your rankings for Magus/Ganondorf/Bowser? I might do my own version, but yours looks pretty good.

Some people are taking 2k3's result like it is the Bible of Summer Contest Stats. I already stated my reasons why I'm skeptical. Can someone do me a favor though?

What would Ganondorf's extrapolated ranking percentage be if we used his performance on Alucard this year for 2k3 Alucard? Who would he fall between?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I think it is important to have a list so we can know who wants to be invited if the idea continues and Ceej allows it.

Sorry, been busy the past few days, could someone tell me what the big list is all about?
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe!

Ulti has E-Mailed CJayC. We want a private board to create next year's bracket.
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Number 50 in the SC2K4!

For all the people who claim to read every stats topic, I find it amusing that people are still signing that list despite me mentioning at least three times that I've sent the e-mail already.

Well, I read the last topic, and as soon as I came into this one I just posted then went back and read teh rest of this topic >_<
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Because you don't know doesn't mean I don't know. - Heroic Mario
Lettuce Kefka > all

I think I might run a comparison chart of RPGuy96's figures and mine at some point (if that's okay with him)...and then maybe average the figures together to see what that turns out like.

That is fine by me. I'm making a final adjusted XS topic as well as explanations for how I adjusted in a minute, so use those.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

And people still don't know how to read posts. Assuming CJayC actually goes along with all of this, which is a rather large longshot in and of itself, we'll have an invite-only board to ourselves. The list in this topic doesn't matter anymore, because we can always add people to the board later. I've already e-mailed a list to Ceej, so adding more names to it doesn't do anything but take up space. I'm not sending him another list, because all it would do is activate the spam filter and ensure that none of my e-mail is seen by human eyes.
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I am little more than a slug among the food chain that is Board 8, but perhaps if I were as cool as nifboy, that would not be the case. Congrats, nifboy! =)

RPGuy: don't bother adjusting for Yoshi/Luigi. The 2003 stats predicted this one almost to perfection.
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Brother. Sister. Remote. Sex. Ninjas. By your powers combined, I am Captain Incest! -Stealth Snake Zero

*still waiting on someone to answer on where Ganondorf would rank in 2003 if we used this year's result against 2k3 Alucard*

<_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

RPGuy: don't bother adjusting for Yoshi/Luigi. The 2003 stats predicted this one almost to perfection.

Adjusting for Luigi doesn't change much at all, which is good. It proves there was little/no SFF in that match. I'll throw it in anyway, though.

*still waiting on someone to answer on where Ganondorf would rank in 2003 if we used this year's result against 2k3 Alucard*

Alucard is underrated in the 2k3 XS. He's not a good base.

And I threw up a topic that explains just about everything related to my XS right here:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16685183
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

I know it might be to late, but can I add myself to the list?
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest. My Ps2 collection: Kingdom Hearts.

therealmnm -

A) I'm not entirely sold on the SC2K3 figures either. I want to try to make a revised copy of those sometime during the offseason.

B) As far as my methods of doing up the extrapolateds for the three of them went, I'll use Ganondorf as an example:

Ganondorf's base figure for this year: 12.10
Ganondorf's base figure for last year: 34.72
Difference: 22.62

I gave Ganondorf full credit on the 22.62% figure for sharing an identical fanbase to Link, plus an 11.31% bonus (half of the above figure) for suffering from the hero/villain crisis.

Taking all of those numbers into account, I crunch his figures in relation to Link like so:

50% (Link's figure) * (.2420 (Ganon's base for this year) + .2262 (the difference from 03-04) + .1131 (the bonus credit))

This factors out to 50.00% * (.5813) = 29.065%, which I round up to 29.07%

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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

I posted this in RPGuy96's topic so I might as well post it here also:

*Sigh* I have to type this all out again because the computer crashed.

Here are my justifications for why the characters in this contest changed the way they did, using some theories of my own.

First off, I would like to define "hardcore casual" since it is a pet theory of mine that I use multiple times in this post. Here is a description from an archives stats topic:

Anyway, I have a theory about the new voting trends in this contest. I was thinking about it and I said to myself, "Self, why is it that some cultish characters like Alucard and Kefka* overperform whereas others like CATS, Ryo, and Guybrush stayed roughly the same? It certainly can't be related to any company ties because Auron increased while Tidus stayed the same."

And then it came to me. When we talk about cultish characters we talk about Luca, Laharl, Alucard and Ness as if they are all peas in the same pod, when they are not.

Say there was some random casual gamer that wanted to try to become "hardcore." They would have much easier access to say Earthbound and Symphony of the Night than they would Suikoden II and Monkey Island. I think that the increase of visitors that we experienced last year combined with the change in the placement of the poll has given us a rise in power of this group of people who I dub "hardcore casuals."

I'm not trying to say that these people are being posers or are being fake, I'm just trying to say that these people try to play the cultish games that are famous for well, being cultish and are readily available unlike Suikoden II. They would also tend to vote more with the unconventional characters in a game, ala the "fan-favorites" which could be the reason for Kefka and Auron's rises in popularity.

Anyway, that's my theory and I'm not entirely sure how it will play out in future matches, but...

1 Sora 10.14-- SFF in his match with Aeris last year. It does strike me as odd that SFF in that match would be so extreme, but that is the result that makes sense.

2 Kefka 8.74-- SFF in his match with Crono, plus the poll placement might have helped make this an honest to goodness increase, although I doubt it.

3 Ness 8.15--An increase in the influence of "hardcore casuals" which I define above.

4 Master Chief 7.83-- Bungie.net 's plea for votes probably boostes Master Chief's score somewhat, but part of this honestly probably is an increase from Halo 2 hype.

5 Samus Aran 6.3-- SFF in her match with Link last year. Also, probably did increase some due to the new poll-placement which I think favors Nintendo if anyone.

6 Tails 4.5--Was on the end of two anomalies in both 2002 and 2003. Also, could have gotten an increase from Sonic Heroes

7 Bomberman 3.63-- Is partly reversing his mysterious drop from last year, but is also benefiting from what I mention with Kirby below.

8 Link 3.41-- Poll placement favors Nintendo, plus hype for Zelda XI.

9 Crono 3.29-- The new poll placement favors old-school Square more than New-School Square, IMO

10 Duke Nukem 3.28-- Duke Milkem. 'Nuff said.

11 Auron 2.96-- SFF in his match against Cloud last year.

12 Kirby 2.88-- This is not an actual increase. Squall was adjusted too much against Cloud, since I think that Squall actually dropped in popularity. If so, this takes away Kirby's gain.


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"All this time I thought I was following Sephiroth, I was really being summoned by him."--Cloud Strife

13 Alucard 2.87-- More stuff from the "hardcore casuals"

14 Max Payne 2.74-- New game.

15 Ryu 2.73-- "Hardcore casuals," plus a new game, although I hardly ever hear anyone talking about it.

16 Sonic the Hedgehog 2.54-- A new multiplatform game will do this for ya.

17 KOS-MOS 2.44-- Umm. . .I'm not entirely sure. I would say "Hardcore casual" but would Xenosaga really fit that definition.

18 Crash Bandicoot 1.77-- MC's overperformance due to Bungie.net trickles down to Crash.

19-37: All are gains and losses of no real extremes, so there's not much to analyze. However, it should be of note that Pac-Man stayed the same while it appears as if Kefka increased due to SFF against Crono last year, which is an anomaly. Also, I find it a little odd that Knuckles would stay the same while Sonic and Tails increased.

38 Gordon Freeman -1.5--No new game for years, plus I actually think there is less Half-Life 2 hype this year than last year.

39 Ratchet -2.37-- Umm. . .lack of casual support? I don't really have much.

40 Sephiroth -2.6-- A lack of casual voters leads to a lack of "New-School Square" Support which is the largest faction on this very RPG-dominated web site.

41 Jill Valentine -3.55-- No new games for a while

42 Solid Snake -3.74--I have got no explanation for this one. I like think that Snake's a character who has a fairly large fanbase among both "casual" and "hardcore" gamers, so this drop surprises me.

43 Scorpion -3.87-- No new games for a while

44 Sam Fisher -9.25-- This is ****ing weird. I could understand Sam dropping from a lack of casual support, but by this much?? A little extreme, to say the least.

45 Tidus -9.25-- A lack of new-school Square support. Although, once again extreme.

46 Shadow -9.86-- A huge overperformance last year due to Mario anti-votes and and the fact that the match was a psuedo- Mario Vs. Sonic.

47 Lara Croft -9.92-- I have got no ****ing clue for this one either. Yeah you got lack of casual votes, but this is just bizarre. Maybe there was girl SFF in her match with Samus, but Zelda wasn't strong enough herself to pull it off last year.

Anomalies:
KOS-MOS (Only if there was no "hardcore casual" support for her)
Pac-Man
Ratchet
Sora*
Sam*
Tidus*
Shadow* (Depending on the circumstances of his match last year)
Lara*

*There are logical reasons for these characters' increases and decreases but the results are on the extreme side.

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"All this time I thought I was following Sephiroth, I was really being summoned by him."--Cloud Strife

34 Protoman 21.69
35 Kefka 20.72
40 Ness 19.73
42 Duke Nukem 19.09
43 HK-47 18.59
44 Kain 18.38
45 Vyse 17.91
46 Jak 17.73
47 Max Payne 17.60
48 Crash B. 17.13
49 Conker 16.37
50 Sam Fisher 15.03
51 Pac Man 14.47
52 Laharl 14.25
53 Lara Croft 13.91
54 Gordon F. 13.40
55 Terry Bogard 12.86
56 CATS 12.71
57 Luca Blight 12.06
58 E. Jim 11.97
59 Ryo Hazuki 11.63
60 Sly Cooper 11.56
61 JC Denton 11.45
62 Ratchet 10.05
63 Guybrush T. 9.60
64 Tanner 3.43

I think these 26 chars need to go, they're either too weak to deserve another chance (Duke Nukem and below) or their space is better suited for another char from the same company.

What do you guys think?

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<In the process of looking for a new sig.>

Ulti, I expect to be your first invite should Ceej have hit the buttershots just before reading your email.

Really, you people need to not do stuff when I'm gone. Pisses me off terribly.
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I was gang-pwned by Link and his supporters in the guru contest. Congrats to nifboy, ps2rulezzz, and Hogasm.

Heh, alright, this is what I got from splicing my stats with RPGuy's. Not sure exactly what I think of them, but...whatever. :-P

1) Link - 50.00%
2) Cloud Strife - 48.18%
3) Sephiroth - 42.58%
4) Samus Aran - 39.50%
5) Crono - 37.18%
6) Mario - 34.77%
7) Mega Man - 34.72%
8) Sonic the Hedgehog - 33.57%

9) Magus - 30.62%
10) Zero - 30.49%
11) Ganondorf - 30.35%
12) Ryu - 29.85%
13) Solid Snake - 29.73%
14) Frog - 28.90%
15) Master Chief - 28.90%
16) Liquid Snake - 28.87%

17) Auron - 28.56%
18) Squall Leonhart - 28.06%
19) Bowser - 27.07%
20) Sora - 26.98%
21) Vivi - 26.61%
22) Alucard - 26.00%
23) Dante - 25.49%
24) Kirby - 25.25%

25) Tidus - 24.46%
26) Yoshi - 24.09%
27) Shadow - 24.06%
28) Knuckles - 24.06%
29) Tommy Vercetti - 23.27%
30) Donkey Kong - 23.16%
31) KOS-MOS - 22.61%
32) Luigi - 22.18%

33) Tails - 21.72%
34) Ryu Hayabusa - 20.66%
35) Jill Valentine - 20.65%
36) Kefka - 20.47%
37) Scorpion - 20.08%
38) Ness - 19.97%
39) Bomberman - 19.78%
40) Viewtiful Joe - 19.63%

41) Protoman - 19.60%
42) Duke Nukem - 19.09%
43) HK-47 - 18.59%
44) Jak - 17.94%
45) Vyse - 17.91%
46) Kain - 17.86%
47) Max Payne - 17.71%
48) Crash Bandicoot - 16.92%

49) Conker - 16.37%
50) Sam Fisher - 15.03%
51) Pac-Man - 14.38%
52) Laharl - 14.25%
53) Lara Croft - 13.91%
54) Gordon Freeman - 13.40%
55) Terry Bogard - 12.86%
56) CATS - 12.44%

57) Earthworm Jim - 11.82%
58) Luca Blight - 11.66%
59) Sly Cooper - 11.61%
60) JC Denton - 11.45%
61) Ryo Hazuki - 11.38%
62) Ratchet - 10.11%
63) Guybrush Threepwood - 9.21%
64) Tanner - 3.39%

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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS