By the time we use this topic, we'll be in the offseason. I'll miss the contest, that's for sure =(

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

***Miscellaneous***

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

tag
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

Heh. Almost over...

Let's see Link wrap it up.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

I found another link to throw in the first page:

http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=3
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

XD
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

chugga chugga chugga chugga CHOO CHOO

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I are playing: Phantom Brave, Star Ocean 3
Waiting for: Suikoden IV, Growlancer, Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana, and some others.

I guess this could possibly be the last stat topic? Unless things go insane tomorrow.

Go Cloud
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Current SC2K4 Score: 141/144
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

I suppose Cloud's last stand will have to use this topic.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Blades will bleed, Shields will shatter.
But as the light fades...Will the hero rise again?

The Legend of Zelda

Coming Soon...

*agrees with Ulti*
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Last stat topic? Ha! Now we spend the next 6 months filling these things up with assessing WTF just happened the past two months, and arguing over who can create the perfectly diabolical bracket, one that would make even the great Kirin17 shudder.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I found another link to throw in the first page:

http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=3

Hopefully we'll be seeing my match pic in there come tomorrow. ;)
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Tag for when we do need this.

outback (sp?) - Omega Pirate isn't too tough (in fact, it's the only boss on Prime that I beat first time round)...
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(possible Metroid Prime spoilers)
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Just make sure that you use that conveniently placed missile reload room just before him and pwn him with super missiles when you've knocked off the armour, which you should do with supers as well, unless you're short, then use charged plasma shots. For the most part, ignore the Space Pirates that appear when OP disappears, you've probably got time to kill one of them before you can damage OP.

Few more opinions requested on how to set Mega Man, Sonic, Mario and Crono against Snake, Zero, Magus and Aeris here:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16643454
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Will be needing this very shortly.

At 05:00:01

Link 9024
Cloud 8968
Total 17992

At 05:00:01

Cloud 8668
Samus 6191
Total 14859

So we've got 21% more votes than yesterday at the same stage. Pulled out over the whole match, that equates to 122K+ votes :-)
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

What was Mario/Crono 2 at at this time?
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Last stat topic? Ha! Now we spend the next 6 months filling these things up with assessing WTF just happened the past two months, and arguing over who can create the perfectly diabolical bracket, one that would make even the great Kirin17 shudder.

I stand corrected.

On other news, ha Cloud is having a hard time keeping Link away from that 54% mark
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Current SC2K4 Score: 157/160
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Link is striking back..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Tomorrow's Prediction: Cloud-50.5% : Link-49.5%

What were the % for Link and Cloud this time last year?

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SC2K4 Score: 110/120 Next Tough Pick: Link over Sep...Cloud.
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UltarEmpire.

GO LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a match!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

If Cloud wants to win, he must go blow for blow with Link into the night vote. If Cloud goes into the night vote down by 1000+, this match will be quite over.
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SC2K4 Score: 110/120 Next Tough Pick: Link over Sep...Cloud.
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UltarEmpire.

Link 50.31% 10002
Cloud Strife 49.69% 9879
TOTAL VOTES 19881

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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

OMG, I can't take the suspense anymore. C'mon day vote!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

I repeat:

What was the Vote total for Mario/Crono 2 at at this time?
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Link is having a huge surge right now.. Pulling away for the moment.. When does the day-time usually kicks in?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Tomorrow's Prediction: Cloud-50.5% : Link-49.5%

Oh noes! I posted in an elitist-only topic! *gets flamed by elitists*
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Supporter of Bomberman to win the Summer Contest 2004. NOTE: I am both male and female.

I look away tentatively, hit F5 and WAM!

Link 50.4% 10165
Cloud Strife 49.6% 10003
TOTAL VOTES 20168

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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

I don't have the stats for MvC2 to hand...
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Can anyone link me to SC2k3 updates?
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

At least the finals this time are somewhat interesting...
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Lead is at 680, just a little more and it'll be insurmountable.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

This is really not looking good for Cloud right now. ;_;

At the very least, he did two things. He did challenge Link and he did keep it so there is no

Link (2002)-----> Clinkeroth (2003) ------> Link (2004)

Looks like Link is going to have to make room for Cloud in the upper echelon.

And who knows. Maybe this is just the morning vote and the day vote will either help Cloud or be split. Then if Cloud can get a night vote he can still win. Bigger leads have been broken.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

The disparity between morning/day/evening/night votes during Sunday isn't as big as other days. Link is just beginning to show his overall strength right now, his going to keep building this lead into thousands. But today does prove one thing. Boost that Cloud got in 2003 > Whatever boost Link got in 2004. Link would have had far easier time beating CLoud in 2002.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Damn...it's gonna be so weird waking up, going on GameFAQs, and not see two characters duking it out for once...

...here's hoping that Ceej doesn't listen to any of that "reteir link n cloud omg" bull**** next year.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Link wins, yay.
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sig here

Does anybody STILL disagree with me when I say that RPG characters primarily have a different fanbase than other characters? It's not the SFF that we are accustomed to, but it is why Mega Man had no chance against Link.

I think Zylo the Wolf explanation was also excellent. Due to Cloud and Link being so popular, Nintendo fans vote Cloud unless he's up against one of their own, and the same with Square fans and Link. That might also be a reason why Mega Man and Sonic did so bad against Link and Cloud.

But anyways, I'm not surprised Cloud is keeping it so close. I knew he had a chance, but I didn't think he was THAT much stronger than Crono. I guess he is, unless Crono vote stuffers from 2k2 have leveled up their vote stuffing skills and now support Cloud. <_< It might TAKE a lot of vote stuffing, but if this match keeps up the way it is, my tie breaker might not look so bad....

Will Ceej use tiebreakers to sort out ALL of the scores on the leaderboard? Or are they only used for the top 10? I KNOW I can pass a lot of the 188s with my tiebreaker....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

My updates are not the same as Chucat's, because I'm using the updater, but look at Link's percentage per update recently -

"Updates Left: 67
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 11.493
Link's % last update: 52.90%
Total Votes so far: 29888"

"Updates Left: 66
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 14.819
Link's % last update: 55.50%
Total Votes so far: 31778"

"Updates Left: 65
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 17.8
Link's % last update: 54.59%
Total Votes so far: 33729"

Also compared Cloud vs. Samus, it is 5,499 votes ahead at the 7:45 Update. ^_^

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well it was fun while it lasted also with my score on other contests I would've gotten a prize, but this one's going to the 190's
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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

Wow. I'm actually shocked that Cloud bothered to attempt at challenging Link in this match. I'm also surprised that Cloud is actually this close to him. I never expected Cloud to put up this much of a fight... at all. Despite, Link is doing a great job of having the lead of nearly 2000. He shouldn't have a problem extending this out throughout the rest of the day.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

yah Go Link!!!

Go Heroic Mario for a good prediction!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

Wow. I'm actually shocked that Cloud bothered to attempt at challenging Link in this match. I'm also surprised that Cloud is actually this close to him. I never expected Cloud to put up this much of a fight... at all. Despite, Link is doing a great job of having the lead of nearly 2000. He shouldn't have a problem extending this out throughout the rest of the day.

07:15 | Link | 15329 | +0912 | 51.29% | Cloud | 14559 | +0812 | 48.71% | Lead of 0770 | (Up 100)
07:30 | Link | 16378 | +1049 | 51.54% | Cloud | 15400 | +0841 | 48.46% | Lead of 0978 | (Up 208)
07:45 | Link | 17443 | +1065 | 51.72% | Cloud | 16286 | +0886 | 48.28% | Lead of 1157 | (Up 179)
08:00 | Link | 18456 | +1013 | 51.84% | Cloud | 17147 | +0861 | 48.16% | Lead of 1309 | (Up 152)

As fast as Link is zooming up, it will be 2000 soon, but don't get overexcited. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just eyed it and thought it was at 1600. <<
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I just eyed it and thought it was at 1600. <<

Well it is at 1409 according to the updater - (Up 100)

>=)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just noticed something about the stats. Balrog0 has only missed one match (Ryu/KOS-MOS) and that was because he forgot to change it over to Ryu. Had he changed it we would have a perfect bracket winning.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

That sucks, if I would have not changed Tidus to Shadow, I may have had a chance at winning, but o well, I made the foolish Jak over Ness mistake. 10th is fine.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

Link 52% 20021
Cloud Strife 48% 18484
TOTAL VOTES 38505

52% for Link and going strong. =)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Looks like Link is going to have to make room for Cloud in the upper echelon.

Not if Link is able to gain another percent and keep Cloud under 47%.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

52% for Link and going strong. =)

You are going to love the next update, HM. ;)

I'm going to post my updates here, if no one minds...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Not if Link is able to gain another percent and keep Cloud under 47%.

If Link is able to keep this pace, perhaps, but this pace is crazy. I would doubt he can keep this pace for another hour before Cloud slows him down considerably. I mean, this is just ridiculous.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

no I don't see Cloud slowing Link down by alot for another 8 hours or so
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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

08:15 | Link | 19514 | +1058 | 51.89% | Cloud | 18093 | +0946 | 48.11% | Lead of 1421 | (Up 112)
08:30 | Link | 20597 | +1083 | 52.05% | Cloud | 18978 | +0885 | 47.95% | Lead of 1619 | (Up 198)

"Updates Left: 62
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 26.113
Link's % last update: 55.03%
Total Votes so far: 39575"

Insane pace. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"Updates Left: 62
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 26.113
Link's % last update: 55.03%
Total Votes so far: 39575"


I love it.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I love it.

He was only up by 135 - 160 and then he had a surge near the end of that update. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Thats it, I don't ever want to see this guy in the contest again.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Cloud isn't even trying anymore.

Meh, whatever. This is over. Cloud did his best.

*goes to play Link to the Past*
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

No need to remove Link/Cloud from this contest. Just stick them in the same division. It takes care of plenty of brackets early and allows for the rest of the contest to remain hard to predict.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

No need to remove Link/Cloud from this contest. Just stick them in the same division.

I have never liked that idea. I don't even like Cloud and Sephiroth in the same division because it's not fair to them. They should have the right to meet in the finals because they're the strongest. And all 3 should be 1 seeds, or not be in the contest at all.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Screw what they should have. We'll never get precise seeding in these contests anyway, so to make it far more interesting simply stick them in the same division. I would much rather see that than to have them exit the contest. I still want to see that match next year.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I do want to see this match next year as well, but as many people have done it is possible for Ceej to make a bracket with very accurate seedings and still have a lot of good matches. I say let them have the 1 seeds they deserve, and meet in the finals.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

No need to remove Link/Cloud from this contest. Just stick them in the same division. It takes care of plenty of brackets early and allows for the rest of the contest to remain hard to predict.

I don't really like that idea, i mean technically that would make the brackets hard to predict, but if you're gonna leave Link and Cloud in the contest, then at least let the top 2 make it to the finals. Otherwise just take them out. Because regardless it'll be Link or Cloud that wins for the most of the future.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 157/160
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Something like this?

Division 1 - Link, Cloud
Division 2 - Sephiroth, Samus
Division 3 - Crono, Megaman
Division 4 - Sonic, Snake, Mario, Magus, Zero


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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

HM, are you saying like this:

1 Division
1) Link
2) Cloud
3) Sephiroth

or this:

2 Divisions
Division 1
1) Link
2) Cloud

Division 2
1) Sephiroth
2) Samus
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I don't really like that idea, i mean technically that would make the brackets hard to predict, but if you're gonna leave Link and Cloud in the contest, then at least let the top 2 make it to the finals.

What would be the purpose of running this contest year after year to see the same finals with the same winner? We saw that this year and we almost had a host of perfect brackets. It is much harder to predict by sticking them in the same division.

Otherwise just take them out. Because regardless it'll be Link or Cloud that wins for the most of the future.

It will be one of those two, but having the same finals year after year wouldn't exactly be the greatest thing to see.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

2 Divisions
Division 1
1) Link
2) Cloud

Division 2
1) Sephiroth
2) Samus

This one. Sephiroth is very beatable by Samus, besides no need to stack one division with Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Perfect, Slang.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Heroic Mario, I gotta say that sig is quite amusing.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Wow! Link is nothing but a beast right now. He's have no problem marching his way upward.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

It will be one of those two, but having the same finals year after year wouldn't exactly be the greatest thing to see.

Ok but wouldn't those who make it past the Link vs Cloud match have an easy final to predict. We've already learned this summer that Link and Cloud are way above the other memebers of the noble nine. So no one else would have a chance anyways, even Sephiroth was murdered by Cloud this year.

I really like the idea of retiring winners after this summer, before I was against it because then there would never be "true" winners. But having a Hall of Fame would be kinda cool. At least Sephiroth was down at Samus' level this year so the finals could still be interesting.

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Current SC2K4 Score: 157/160
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Thats a short term solution though. With just 1 more contest, we'd have clear idea of how noble 9 and few others rank. The contest would be meaningless after 2005.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

You pretty much would get a lesser finals match, but having that one incredibly crucial match to predict correctly (Link/Cloud) along with a host of other hard matches throughout the bracket make it a lot more interesting. The final four would be harder to predict, that one very important Elite 8 match, etc. It's either that or retire both of them, and I'm not exactly crazy about that idea when there's an easy enough solution.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Character popularity can change on a dime. As we've seen before the character doesn't have to receive the "Best. Game. Ever." in order to increase by quite a margin. I still stand by the statement--assuming the contest is still running--that Mario will be winning this contest in a couple of years.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I doubt that HM. It would take something enormous to bring Mario's popularity to Link's popularity around here....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Super Mario 128. Mark yer calendars. ;)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Something gargantuous. Something like Mario 128!
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I can see Mario getting much stronger in the future too, but he'll always lose to Link. 2003 was basically Link's lowest state with Wind Waker hating and all, and he still would have slaughtered Mario. I don't think even a new revolutionary Mario game can help his cause against Link. Even if Mario can be strong enough to beat Cloud, Link just isn't a good matchup for him.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Super Mario 128. Mark yer calendars. ;)

I refuse to get excited about that. SMS was a great game, but I was expecting something much better. =/

08:45 | Link | 21720 | +1123 | 52.16% | Cloud | 19921 | +0943 | 47.84% | Lead of 1799 | (Up 180)
09:00 | Link | 22893 | +1173 | 52.22% | Cloud | 20950 | +1029 | 47.78% | Lead of 1943 | (Up 144)

"Updates Left: 60
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 32.384
Link's % last update: 53.27%
Total Votes so far: 43843"

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Character popularity can change on a dime. As we've seen before the character doesn't have to receive the "Best. Game. Ever." in order to increase by quite a margin. I still stand by the statement--assuming the contest is still running--that Mario will be winning this contest in a couple of years.

So you think that Mario will ever beat Link? As much as I'd love for that to happen, the only way Mario will win is if Link is retired. A good 60% of Nintendo fans prefer Zelda games to Mario games. That percent could be even higher. The amount of SFF in that match will always stop Mario from beating Link. But its definately something I'd love to see happen.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 157/160
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

SMS was a great game, but I was expecting something much better. =/

And that much better comes in the form of SM128 on the NR. =p
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

You nailed it Dark. Even if Mario is stronger(against other characters) than Link at some point, he'd still lose.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

And that much better comes in the form of SM128 on the NR. =p

You and your damnable optimism. =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So you think that Mario will ever beat Link?

I'm telling ya, no one's touching Mario in a couple of years. No one.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I'm telling ya, no one's touching Mario in a couple of years. No one.

HM, come on. >_>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Doubt it now, but I'm not claiming it to be immediate. He's going to slowly rebuild himself within this coming year before laying it down on everyone in 2006.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

09:15 | Link | 24067 | +1174 | 52.32% | Cloud | 21930 | +0980 | 47.68% | Lead of 2137 | (Up 194)

"Updates Left: 59
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 36.221
Link's % last update: 54.50%
Total Votes so far: 45997"

Link: *shoves Master Sword up Cloud's ass*
Cloud: O.O



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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

creativename still hasn't put the pics on his website yet...
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Lonely Angel
Now, can I say ownage: http://img67.exs.cx/img67/2721/FinalFantasyVIIvsZeroWing_thumb.gif

I never thought I'd see a day Cloud is constantly outgained by 200+ votes per update.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

It's great to see Link do so well, especially before Zelda 2005.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Push toward 53%, Link!

My prediction was 54.45% for him, but that is just a little far off. ;)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Just a tad

heh
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

So, will Cloud win another update again?
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

To compare vote totals with Cloud/Samus (like we need too) here's what we get:

Link/Cloud at 09:31:48 = 48428
Cloud/Samus at 09:31:47 = 40744

That's 7684 ahead of a match that got 101,000 votes. Definitely not disappointing in that regard. =)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Perhaps my 70 K tiebreaker ISN'T that far off as I thought it would be.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

I'm glad to see that Cloud put up a good fight. I was expecting Cloud to get steamrolled from the start.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I watches the whole thing, from 3 AM EST onward, and let me tell you it wasn't a comfy ride, many scary times when Cloud threatened to take the lead. I don't remember seeing Link with a lead of less than 30 though.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

Question.....

In a lot of the new pseudo extrapolated rankings, I'm seeing people replace Magus and Ganondorf with their 2k3 values. This leaves them both at 30%+ against Link. However, they are leaving Tidus as is, which places him in the low 20s. Doesn't this show some kind of discrepency? Shouldn't Magus and Ganondorf be somewhat closer to Tidus? I think there should be some kind of middle estimate to figure out where they fall this year....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

So, will Cloud win another update again?

I think he will at night. Cloud usually stays pretty strong during the night, while Link starts detiorating. Of course Link has an insane pace during the day, so I guess it's understandable....

09:30 | Link | 25226 | +1159 | 52.34% | Cloud | 22969 | +1039 | 47.66% | Lead of 2257 | (Up 120)
09:45 | Link | 26399 | +1173 | 52.44% | Cloud | 23941 | +0972 | 47.56% | Lead of 2458 | (Up 201)

"Updates Left: 57
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 43.123
Link's % last update: 54.69%
Total Votes so far: 50340"

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I hereby declare Link has won. Game Over. And I had him all along...

I expect a top 300 finish :) My best thus far...damn u Frog for failing me by a mere 2000 votes!!!!!!!!!!!
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 183/192 MK Deception: Oct 5!

Screw what they should have. We'll never get precise seeding in these contests anyway, so to make it far more interesting simply stick them in the same division. I would much rather see that than to have them exit the contest. I still want to see that match next year.

Listen to The Man.
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

If Kingdom Hearts boost for Cloud was the biggest boost of any character so far, how will Zelda X affect Link? Now KH sold 4million copies from what I've read, and gave Cloud the boost he needed to beat Link. I think Zelda X is almost guaranteed to sell more than 4 million. Next year or the year after will be interesting, not to find out who will win, but how much Link wins by...
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Listen to The Man.

Taking out half the brackets (or around there) on one match isn't an exciting contest to me. It means instead of a true finals that is for 32 points, it creates an early round match worth more than 50. To me having the last match of the contest be in doubt at least for some of the contest is a good thing.
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Carpe Diem, or so some may say. I don't really know.

KH sold around 2 million in the U.S. and that is where most voters come from, I think. Of course, most of those 2 million people were a new audience for Cloud, apparently...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I expect a top 300 finish :) My best thus far...damn u Frog for failing me by a mere 2000 votes!!!!!!!!!!!

Heh. If I could've done ANYTHING to get those 2000 votes, I would be cracking my knuckles and wondering how to spend my 400 USD right now.

Taking out half the brackets (or around there) on one match isn't an exciting contest to me. It means instead of a true finals that is for 32 points, it creates an early round match worth more than 50. To me having the last match of the contest be in doubt at least for some of the contest is a good thing.

It's exciting enough. Remember, there is only 1 week left of contests after the Elite Eight, anyway.
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

It's not Cloud being introduced to new audiences, it's that one game BRINGING NEW PEOPLE TO THE SITE.
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Two of the copies for Zelda 2005 will come from myself. One being an import the second being my pre-ordered copy. I can't wait to get the game.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

HM's current obsession = Zelda XI?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Current? I pre-ordered my copy of Zelda XI a week after E3. ;)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

It seemed you've been more obsessed with FFVII:AC.

Vote totals at 10:15 -

"Updates Left: 55
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 48.473
Link's % last update: 51.97%
Total Votes so far: 54608"

"Updates Left: 55
Votes per update needed for Samus to catch up: 139.819
Cloud's % last update: 59.89%
Total Votes so far: 46106"

Lead of 8,502 votes. =)

Cloud did pretty well that update, too.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm pretty sure there won't be masses buying Advent Children when it's released... where I live anyway. Although, I'm dying to see that trailer released from Square Enix. They seem to be takin' their sweet time. ><

Cloud taking on Bahamut = Badass.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

On stacking Link/Cloud in the same division:

(1) Link
(2) Cloud
---Good match
(1) Sephiroth
(2) Samus (post Echoes and Hunters)
---Good match?
(1) Noble Nine
(2) Noble Nine
---Good match
(1) Noble Nine
(2) Noble Nine
---Good match

(1) Cloud/Link
(1) Samus/Seph
---Good match?
(1) Noble Nine
(2) Noble Nine
---Good match

(1) Clink
(1) Noble Nine
---Bad Match

You only get one bad match, and it's the finals. There's no reason not to stack it, and it's much better than removing Clink.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Question.....

In a lot of the new pseudo extrapolated rankings, I'm seeing people replace Magus and Ganondorf with their 2k3 values. This leaves them both at 30%+ against Link. However, they are leaving Tidus as is, which places him in the low 20s. Doesn't this show some kind of discrepency? Shouldn't Magus and Ganondorf be somewhat closer to Tidus? I think there should be some kind of middle estimate to figure out where they fall this year....

:: nod :: In my last "pre-final" rankings, I have them rated as follows:


13) Magus - 27.10%
14) Ganondorf - 27.02%

26) Tidus - 22.82%


It's the most accurate setup I could come up with, and I think it's fairly dead-on...however, I don't think that Ganondorf would necessarily do any better against Tidus this year than he did against him last year. I simply feel that Ganondorf was a prime opponent to bring out the best in Tidus: a non-playable (outside of SSB:M) villain from the crown jewel series of the Nintendoverse. Tidus will never have more Square support than he did from that matchup...thus, it made for a wicked close result, which led to him looking very impressive in the extrapolateds. But when it comes down to it, this is still Tidus we're talking about...you know, the guy who put up 55% against Claire Redfield in 2002. And you can be damn sure that Magus and Ganondorf wouldn't throw up stinker numbers like that against the likes of Claire Redfield.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

Looks like the Spring Contest finals in reverse. At least Cloud put up a fight, so that's good for me. I just got tired of these people who wouldn't shut up about Link dominating from start to finish just because he doubled up Mega Man. Oh, by the way, Link is staying consistent to what he did on Crono, not Mega Man. Something happened with the Blue Bomber. There's no denying it.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Creative will be happy to know that his Xst projection of Link beating Cloud with 53% of the vote seems to be dead-on at this point.

Oh, and my PCA topic is up:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16667735
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Also, I don't necessarily agree with Link vs. Cloud being before the Final Four. Why make the matches that are worth the most so easy?

I don't think there's any doubt that Square's #1 vs. Nintendo's #1 is the biggest draw, looking at these vote totals.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

10:00 | Link | 27504 | +1105 | 52.46% | Cloud | 24924 | +0983 | 47.54% | Lead of 2580 | (Up 122)
10:15 | Link | 28637 | +1133 | 52.44% | Cloud | 25971 | +1047 | 47.56% | Lead of 2666 | (Up 86)
10:30 | Link | 29752 | +1115 | 52.51% | Cloud | 26912 | +0941 | 47.49% | Lead of 2840 | (Up 174)
10:45 | Link | 30879 | +1127 | 52.59% | Cloud | 27843 | +0931 | 47.41% | Lead of 3036 | (Up 196)
11:00 | Link | 31966 | +1087 | 52.62% | Cloud | 28779 | +0936 | 47.38% | Lead of 3187 | (Up 151)

"Updates Left: 52
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 61.289
Link's % last update: 53.73%
Total Votes so far: 60745"

Cloud vs. Samus
"Updates Left: 52
Total Votes so far: 51281"

9,464 vote lead over last night's match. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I can't believe how stupid some of these people suggesting that Cloud and Link be retired are.

So they'll always dominate the later rounds; the big question is, who the **** cares? The Elite 8 and beyond takes up 1/8 of the contest. That's right. ONE EIGHTH.

The first two rounds are the most exciting, and guess what? They take up 3/4 of the contest.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I still think this is a good idea....

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16666817
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Link vs Cloud 2003 11:15:00am Total Votes = 66290
Link vs Cloud 2004 11:15:50am Total Votes = 62700

A difference of 3590. This match seems to be on pace to reach the high 130000's.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I made two brackets, one with Clinkeroth and one without. Do you want me to post them here?
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

A difference of 3590. This match seems to be on pace to reach the high 130000's.

O_O
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heh, and people were saying my tiebreaker of 65k was crazy. Looks like it could happen, too bad I have the wrong winner.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

ChichiriMuyo, I had nearly the EXACT same tiebreaker amount for Link. I forgot where exactly, but my logic was that the Summer Contest would draw higher vote totals than the Spring contest, but less than SC2k3. It took until the FINALS to reach those type of numbers however....

Anyways, I wish CJayC would put the 188s in order of tiebreakers so I can see where I rank....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I was of course certain that the finals would be Link/Cloud and that it'd be as big as the Mario/Crono matches of the past.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

11:15 | Link | 32980 | +1014 | 52.60% | Cloud | 29720 | +0941 | 47.40% | Lead of 3260 | (Up 73)
11:30 | Link | 34006 | +1026 | 52.60% | Cloud | 30639 | +0919 | 47.40% | Lead of 3367 | (Up 107)
11:45 | Link | 35013 | +1007 | 52.60% | Cloud | 31554 | +0915 | 47.40% | Lead of 3459 | (Up 92)
12:00 | Link | 35904 | +0891 | 52.56% | Cloud | 32405 | +0851 | 47.44% | Lead of 3499 | (Up 40)

"Updates Left: 48
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 72.896
Link's % last update: 51.15%
Total Votes so far: 68309"

Link really slowed down that last update...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud's doing a great job of stalling Link right now. Looks like we'll be sticking with "Clink."

...So why exactly do people want to retire Link vs. Cloud, especially with the appeal of "Reggie-lution Link" vs. AC Cloud? It'll be interesting, I think.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I'm going to post both my brackets and we can compare a Clinkeroth bracket to a non-Clinkeroth bracekt.

First, the normal one.

Divison 1

Divison 1

1)Link
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Ryu (SF)
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Auron
13) Ridley

6) Bowser
11) Carl Johnson

3) Magus
14) Dr. Wily

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Sephiroth
15) Toad

Division 2

1)Samus
16) Laharl

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Zero
13) KOS-MOS

5) Squall
12) Ken Masters

6) Kirby
11) Liquid Snake

3) Master Chief
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

2)Crono
15)Vyse

Division 3

1)Cloud
16) Pac-Man

8) Yoshi
9) Knuckles

4) Frog
13) MewTwo

5) Alucard
12)Donkey Kong

6) Shadow the Hedgehog
11) Raiden

3) Aeris
14) Bass

7) Luigi
10) Kefka

2)Solid Snake
15)Duke Nukem

Division 4

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno

5) Ganondorf
12) Ryu Hayabusa

4) Sora
13) Jak

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Mario
14)Jill Valentine

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2)Sonic
15) Falco Lombardi

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Now the one without Clinkeroth.

Divison 1

1) Mario
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Alucard
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Frog
13) MewTwo

6) Bowser
11) Carl Johnson

3) Ryu (SF)
14) Ridley

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Sonic
15) Toad
Division 2

1) Samus
16) Andross

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Auron
13) KOS-MOS

5) Zelda
12) Ken Masters

6) Squall
11) Ryu Hayabusa

3) Magus
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

2) Solid Snake
15) Vyse

Division 3

1) Crono
16) Pac-Man

8) Luigi
9) Kefka

4) Sora
13) Ghaleon

5) Shadow the Hedgehog
12)Donkey Kong

6) Ganondorf
11) Raiden

3) Aeris
14) Falco

7) Yoshi
10) Knuckles

2) Zero
15) Duke Nukem

Division 4

1) Mega Man
16) Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno

5) Kirby
12) Dr. Wily

4) Dante
13) Jak

6) Liquid Snake
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Tidus
14) Jill Valentine

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Master Chief
15) Laharl

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

We're only in Clink by half a percent. That could change.

And we've blazed past 70,000 votes already...Wow.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Comparatively, Crono has earned a #1 seed for next year moreso than Mega Man. Switch those two and set up Mega Man-Samus in the Elite Eight.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

By half a percent and rising. Cloud has been stalling Link for a long time now, and the percentage will only go down as the night vote arrives.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I must be the only one who thinks Cloud can still make this interesting with the night vote... plus he's really doing well with stalling Link here.
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

And we've blazed past 70,000 votes already...Wow.

Link and Cloud laugh at everyone else's pitful attempts to draw in votes. ;)

By half a percent and rising. Cloud has been stalling Link for a long time now, and the percentage will only go down as the night vote arrives.

12:15 | Link | 36848 | +0944 | 52.53% | Cloud | 33292 | +0887 | 47.47% | Lead of 3556 | (Up 57)

"Updates Left: 47
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 75.66
Link's % last update: 51.56%
Total Votes so far: 70140"

Oh shut up. =)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Leonhart, what I wanted to know is which bracket would be the most fun to predict.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Cloud would have to win the night vote in larger proportions than StarCraft to pull that off. He could still manage Link's percentage from last year though with a good showing at night.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Shifts in vote-stuffing make anything possible, so I wouldn't close the book on this one quite yet.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

Oh shut up. =)

Hey, Link's winning. At least let me have something here knowing that he hasn't distanced himself from EVERYONE.

Okay, based on current percentages (52.5-48.5), how does the Noble Nine stand?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Link 50.00%
Cloud 47.50%
Sephiroth 41.80%
Samus 38.94%
Crono 37.18%
Mario 34.77%
Sonic 33.09%
Mega Man 32.39%
Solid Snake 27.73%
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SC2K4 Score: 152/160
Today's Pick: Link

I'm working on an XS excel file right now.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Also, does Ryu end up taking the #9 spot, and who rounds out the top 10?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

This is beautiful. As of the results right now, Sonic > Mega Man.

I would bust out with an

"OMG, Sonic would beat Mega Man! The Extrapolated Rankings say so!"

But it's not in my character.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Hey, Link's winning. At least let me have something here knowing that he hasn't distanced himself from EVERYONE.

I know. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And the closer Cloud makes it, the more Sonic distances himself from Mega Man. All the more reason to root for him to make it closer.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Yes. It looks like both Ryu and Zero will take the 9 and 10 spots, while Snake finishes at 11.
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SC2K4 Score: 152/160
Today's Pick: Link

Take a look at my brackets on page 13. Which one would provide the most fun throughout the whole tournament?
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Well, perhaps Sonic just went up up up . . .

And I am entirely against removing Link and Cloud, I think that would completely slaughter the vote totals, and why have the best character not win? I'm semi with Heroic over here saying just stick them in the same division, but then, I don't think that's fair to them either. But also, leaving them as they are has produced different results every time, and as we've seen just because you're distanced from the whole flock of people, doesn't mean you'll still beat Mr. #2
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Well, what did I say about Cloud never taking the lead? ;)

So, the beast awakened at last. I can only conclude its sleeping patterns describe that of a normal human.

Sucks for me though... although this has been my best contest by far, I'll still end up getting my worst ranking ever because I picked the wrong champion. 169 gave me top 200 this spring... these days are long gone by, I suppose.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Sonic definitely went up, at least slightly. Cloud would've broken 60% had Sonic been static.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Uh-oh I better not say anything contest related here or Slowflake will laugh at me!

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*Smurf*

But if you don't, I'll laugh at you for being off-topic... decisions, decisions.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

I pre-ordered my copy of Zelda XI a week after E3. ;)

I didn't even know it was open for pre-order yet. I'm gonna get it early. I'll be in college by the time its price drops if the Wind Waker is any indication.
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Megaman won his division, made it to the final 4, we're all in agreement that he's easily one of the top competitors in this tournament.

He lost to Link 68-32.

Correct me if I'm wrong. The purpose of all this analysis is to judge a person's progress, advancments, and strength. What's the point of it all if even the top competitors in the tournament can't come within 60-40 of Link? It's my honest opinion that only 2 people in this tournament could probably come within 60-40 of either Link or Cloud, and that's Sephiroth and Samus.

Megaman, Crono, and Mario should be close to that in theory, but look how they all fared this year and last year.

Retire em. This contest serves no point when we already know who's won. Unless they meet in an earlier round, it will /always/ be Link/Cloud in the finals for many years to come, in my opinion.
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Overanalyzing Character Battles since 2002!

I was of course certain that the finals would be Link/Cloud and that it'd be as big as the Mario/Crono matches of the past.

You were also certain that Cloud would win =x

Sucks for me though... although this has been my best contest by far, I'll still end up getting my worst ranking ever because I picked the wrong champion. 169 gave me top 200 this spring... these days are long gone by, I suppose.

Poor Dabu. Oh well, always put how many matches you got right; it is a consolation =)
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

I think Link and Cloud should stay. And I think that if Sonic really did increase that a Mario vs Sonic match is even MORE appealing since it would likely be closer now.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

The casual voters love Link vs. Cloud though. The vote totals will break 100,000 with plenty of room to spare. It's on pace to rank in the top 10 of all time!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Next year that's a guarantee as well, with Advent Children.

Speaking of which, the outcome of next year contest may depend on whether Zelda 10 gets delayed or not, and just as importantly, when the contest starts.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Nah, I wasn't certain of Cloud winning, but I did think the odds favored him over Link.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Using the Midgar + Chaos Extrapolated, a 32 man bracket was created. Enjoy. (Not that most of you cared about the re-seeded and Hyrule + 20XX brackets I posted.)

North
(1)Cloud Strife vs (8)Ratchet
(5)Viewtiful Joe vs (4)Kirby
(6)Bomberman vs (3)Vivi
(7)Sam Fisher vs (2)Dante

East
(1)Sonic the Hedgehog vs (8)Gordon Freeman
(5)Duke Nukem vs (4)Miles “Tails” Prower
(6)HK-47 vs (3)Donkey Kong
(7)Lara Croft vs (2)Ryu (SF)

South
(1)Samus Aran vs (8)Terry Bogard
(5)Ness vs (4)Ryu Hayabusa
(6)Vyse vs (3)KOS-MOS
(7)Laharl vs (2)Auron

West
(1)Sephiroth vs (8)Sly Cooper
(5)Scorpion vs (4)Jill Valentine
(6)Jak vs (3)Squall Leonhart
(7)Kain vs (2)Sora
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Link vs Cloud 2003 13:00:00am Total Votes = 82954
Link vs Cloud 2004 13:00:03am Total Votes = 75315

A difference of 7639. It's falling behind a bit, but it still seems to be on pace to reach 130000's.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I now fully endorse the idea of the Super Seven, thusly kicking out Mega Man and Solid Snake in accordance to the 2004 extrapolated rankings.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I've never been happier to predict a match wrong in the contest.
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"I have been infected with the X Virus."--Samus Aran

I just can't get over how much a BEAUTIFUL idea it is that Mega Man will be BELOW Sonic, right where he belongs.

You're starting to sound like a broken record, Deus. It's Clink now, as far as I'm concerned, and until there's a massive change to the contest, one of those two will win. Every time.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

You're starting to sound like a broken record, Deus. It's Clink now, as far as I'm concerned, and until there's a massive change to the contest, one of those two will win. Every time.

If Link beats Cloud in the Final Four and then faces Seph in the Final, Seph could put on a show rivaling Cloud's performance.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

"Mega Man and Solid Snake in accordance to the 2004 extrapolated rankings."

Umm, no. Mega Man is still quite likely to rank above Sonic. Haven't done the math, but with Cloud losing to Link it will boost M up compared to Sonic for sure. The only elite that has fallen badly is Snake.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I really doubt Sephiroth would challenge Link. Cloud beat him even worse than last year despite not being noticeably stronger.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Umm, no. Mega Man is still quite likely to rank above Sonic. Haven't done the math, but with Cloud losing to Link it will boost M up compared to Sonic for sure.

Link needs over 53% for Mega Man to rank above Sonic. Doesn't look likely to happen as Cloud is climbing toward 48% as we speak.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Link 50.00%
Cloud 47.50%
Sephiroth 41.80%
Samus 38.94%
Crono 37.18%
Mario 34.77%
Sonic 33.09%
Mega Man 32.39%
Solid Snake 27.73%

Obviously assuming Link wins this with 52.5%

Notice how Sonic is over Mega Man? I didn't post this originally btw. Ultimatelifeform did here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=16656247&message=175740863

Therefore, I don't KNOW if it's right but I think it is.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

If Link beats Cloud with 53%...

Knuckles: 22.44%
Tails: 21.18%

Don't tell me Tails is supposed to be that close to Knuckles. >.< Also, don't tell me Knuckles dropped that much in relation to Sonic...

If the '03 Knuckles/Sonic proportion still applied and Link beat Cloud with 53%, Mega Man should've achieved 35.83% against Link. Hey, that means Mega Man and Mario are matched almost exactly the same as last year in that case.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I guess I should have said quite possible instead of quite likely. Either way he is very close to Sonic, and the only one that's fallen far off is Snake.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

And not only that, but Knux is 0.01% behind Shadow. If that's not the second coming of WDF, I don't know what it is.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Ugh... Not WDF again -.-;
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I really doubt Sephiroth would challenge Link. Cloud beat him even worse than last year despite not being noticeably stronger.

How often do you see Cloud in AC trailers? Now how often do you see Seph? This was a factor that could've created some SFF.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Well, Sephiroth's performance was predicted quite well through Auron.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Auron's just cool like that.

Also the offseason will be spent discussing the 20XXF methinks. Megaman's underpeformance on Link screwed the whole division. Also, the Frog/LS/MC/Crash 4-pack suffers heavily because they have long paths to Link. Frog/LS/MC don't deserve that...

Ultimate Loser Award

2K2: Gordon Freeman (lost to Tina, who lost to Aeris, who lost to Snake, who lost to Crono, who lost to Mario, who lost to Link)

2K3: Ryo Hazuki (lost to Dante, who lost to Ryu, who lost to Snake, who lost to Megaman, who lost to Sephiroth, who lost to Cloud)

SpC2K4: River City Ransom (lost to Pong, who lost to Tetris, who lost to Legend of Zelda, who lost to Super Mario Bros. 3, who lost to Chrono Trigger, who lost to Final Fantasy 7)

2K4: Viewtiful Joe (lost to Tails, who lost to Dante, who lost to Sonic, who lost to Samus, who lost to Cloud, who lost to Link)

Discuss
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Current differences between 2k3 and 2k4 XS (based on Link):

Name Difference
Sora 4.76
Ness 3.47
Kefka 3.01
Samus Aran 1.06
Tails 1.03
Master Chief 0.81
Duke Nukem 0.39
Link 0.00
KOS-MOS -0.64
Max Payne -0.68
CATS -0.81
Crono -0.96
Ryu -1.22
Vyse -1.36
Crash Bandicoot -1.67
Auron -1.69
Conker -1.77
Sonic the Hedgehog -1.78
Gordon Freeman -2.63
Ratchet -2.92
Dante -3.06
Mario -3.41
Bomberman -3.63
Donkey Kong -3.66
Tommy Vercetti -3.83
Ryo Hazuki -4.00
Knuckles -4.03
Cloud Strife -4.10
Zero -4.78
Jill Valentine -5.00
Pac Man -5.05
Scorpion -5.73
Kirby -5.97
Mega Man -6.21
Sephiroth -7.85
Solid Snake -8.17
Luigi -8.62
Sam Fisher -8.73
Yoshi -8.79
Squall Leonhart -9.09
Lara Croft -9.11
Bowser -10.56
Tidus -11.43
Shadow -11.83
Magus -12.46
Ganondorf -22.62

I think it's pretty obvious that Link got a nice boost this year. These are non SFF adjusted, and I'm trying to come up with a good static character to base SFF adjustments on. I'm thinking Mario right now.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Well, Cloud has shown to be pretty much static as well.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I think mario is a very safe bet. While he is decreasing relative to other characters, there's no way he's losing popularity. People don't just forget about him, he's a legend. He's simply not getting more popular because of a lack of new games.
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

Here's something of note (assuming Cloud gets 47.5% on Link)

9 Ryu 29.43%
10 Zero 28.50%
11 Solid Snake 27.73%
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SC2K4 Score: 152/160
Today's Pick: Link

Static Mario = 4.47% boost for Link
Static Cloud = 3.95% boost for Link

Those are the only two in the middle of the pack that I'd consider being static...I think I'm going to base SFF adjustments on Mario, though, because a 4.5% boost for Link is consistent with his own matches and Cloud was pretty volatile between 2k2 and 2k3, whereas Mario was fairly steady.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Personally I think Cloud is the one it makes most sense to use as our constant from last year.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 140/160
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Cloud with 50%

Mario hasn't given us a performance consistent with his 2003 self all contest, though there's a viable explanation for all of that. New opponent, SFF match, and increase for his old rival. It did predict the match with Crono very well with Link (through CATS), though it causes Cloud to overperform today.

...Much like Sephiroth in 2002. *dun dun dun*
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Well, I think just about everybody is going to have their own set of SFF/rWDF/whatever adjustments, so I'm using Mario. :p
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

True I think all of us is going to have a set of adjusted x-st, but if someone asks just give them the non-adjusted (imagine people putting CATS over Ganondorf)
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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

I won't. V_V I don't really know how to do extrapolateds.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Static Mario = Magus gets 31.81% on Link
Static Cloud = Magus gets 32.06% on Link

That's pretty much what the differences will look like.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I ran into a rough spot with Zero:

Mega Man 32.39%
Ryu 29.47%
Zero 28.50%
Solid Snake 27.73%


No adjustment = Zero gets 28.5% on Link
Static Mario = Zero gets 30.31% on Link
Static Cloud = Zero gets 30.65% on Link

Adjuting by Cloud seems to give him a little too much. Heck, adjusting him by Mario gives him too much.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Also the offseason will be spent discussing the 20XXF methinks. Megaman's underpeformance on Link screwed the whole division. Also, the Frog/LS/MC/Crash 4-pack suffers heavily because they have long paths to Link. Frog/LS/MC don't deserve that...

Frog, Master Chief, and Liqud are coming out of this year looking VERY good. As things stand, I have them ranked 15th, 16th, and 17th respectively.

I'm especially impressed with MC this year. With Halo 2 on the horizon, he could be very dangerous in SC2K5 (and beyond) if X-Box hate continues to fade. In fact, if he were to get the right draw next year...say, ending up with Sonic and Solid Snake as the top two seeds in his division, and avoiding an underseeded powerhouse like Aeris...I'd put MC in the final four.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

I don't think Zero needs any SFF adjustment.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Zero came out at 29.21% for mine, which seems decent enough. I don't base my SFF'ing off of static characters, though. I don't think there is such a thing, outside of CATS, maybe. :-P
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

You can really make a good bracket with these screwed up XS...Let's hope Ceej takes advantage of it next year.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

If you guys wanted this:

12:30 | Link | 37759 | +0911 | 52.51% | Cloud | 34150 | +0858 | 47.49% | Lead of 3609 | (Up 53)
12:45 | Link | 38692 | +0933 | 52.52% | Cloud | 34978 | +0828 | 47.48% | Lead of 3714 | (Up 105)
13:00 | Link | 39528 | +0836 | 52.48% | Cloud | 35787 | +0809 | 47.52% | Lead of 3741 | (Up 27)
13:15 | Link | 40371 | +0843 | 52.42% | Cloud | 36649 | +0862 | 47.58% | Lead of 3722 | (Down 19)
13:30 | Link | 41232 | +0861 | 52.41% | Cloud | 37447 | +0798 | 47.59% | Lead of 3785 | (Up 63)
13:45 | Link | 42072 | +0840 | 52.38% | Cloud | 38248 | +0801 | 47.62% | Lead of 3824 | (Up 39)
14:00 | Link | 42932 | +0860 | 52.38% | Cloud | 39026 | +0778 | 47.62% | Lead of 3906 | (Up 82)
14:15 | Link | 43784 | +0852 | 52.40% | Cloud | 39774 | +0748 | 47.60% | Lead of 4010 | (Up 104)
14:30 | Link | 44584 | +0800 | 52.43% | Cloud | 40458 | +0684 | 47.57% | Lead of 4126 | (Up 116)

"Updates Left: 38
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 108.579
Link's % last update: 53.91%
Total Votes so far: 85042"


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Crap; I wanted Link to shut him out.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Crap; I wanted Link to shut him out.

Cloud won some early in the night, too:

02:45 | Link | 05758 | +0314 | 51.06% | Cloud | 05519 | +0362 | 48.94% | Lead of 0239 | (Down 48)
03:00 | Link | 06087 | +0329 | 50.81% | Cloud | 05892 | +0373 | 49.19% | Lead of 0195 | (Down 44)
03:15 | Link | 06432 | +0345 | 50.68% | Cloud | 06259 | +0367 | 49.32% | Lead of 0173 | (Down 22)
03:30 | Link | 06767 | +0335 | 50.46% | Cloud | 06644 | +0385 | 49.54% | Lead of 0123 | (Down 50)

And he won some others too. But Link was getting 53 - 55% in the morning vote. O.o

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

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No adjustment = Zero gets 28.5% on Link
Static Mario = Zero gets 30.31% on Link
Static Cloud = Zero gets 30.65% on Link

Adjuting by Cloud seems to give him a little too much. Heck, adjusting him by Mario gives him too much.


What's the problem with Zero doing that well? I'd expect him to do almost as well as Magus, and it's certainly possible that he got a boost his year.

It just seemed high to me. I went ahead and adjusted him using Mario for my XS, though. I'm debating whether or not to try out a 20XXDF factor right now, because of this:

Mega Man 32.39
Magus 31.81
Ganondorf 31.62
Zero 30.31
Ryu 29.47
Squall Leonhart 28.89
Auron 28.22
Bowser 28.21
Solid Snake 27.73
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I've never done an Xst calculation (odd, I know), so let me make sure I'm doing this right.

The formula is C/(B/A) = C's Percentage against A, correct?

With that formula, how would you figure out the expected percentage that one character would be expected to get against a character that isn't the champion? I'm trying to figure out what 2003 Pac Man would get on 2003 Luigi, but what percentage would I need to plug into the formula besides Luigi and Pac Man's 2003 Xst percentage? Pac Man/(Luigi/Cloud) would only yield Pac Man's percentage against Cloud, right?

Sorry if I sound really newbie-ish, but I seriously have yet to do one of these calculations on my own. I usually just read off everyone else's numbers >_>
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

It just seemed high to me. I went ahead and adjusted him using Mario for my XS, though. I'm debating whether or not to try out a 20XXDF factor right now, because of this:

Mega Man 32.39
Magus 31.81
Ganondorf 31.62
Zero 30.31
Ryu 29.47
Squall Leonhart 28.89
Auron 28.22
Bowser 28.21
Solid Snake 27.73

The one thing I'd watch out for with a 20XXDF factor is that if Solid gets boosted past most/all of those characters between him and Mega Man, then Frog, MC, and Liquid Snake are going to tag along for the ride.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

Hmmmm, with a slow day in this topic, I will go ahead and post my thoughts about some of my favorite characters in this contest and their respective performances. I'm getting it out of the way now since I have a test, program due, and statement of purpose to write all this week. Thank God this contest is over. Now I don't have any diversions! I'll post a few things right now and post the rest later.

Sonic:
Well, I wished he would have done better on Samus but I'm pleased with the results. Sonic most likely will be ranked above Mega Man. Now everyone KNOWS this shouldn't be true. But I hope this quells the thoughts that Magus would beat Sonic.

Zero:
Extremely impressed with Zero. I don't believe in reverse SFF. Zero has been around since the SNES days. It's not like he's some bad-ass new character in the series like Shadow. He has built up his own fanbase and all of his performances are legit. I think he could stick it to all the people who rank around him (Snake, Ryu, Auron, Aeris, Magus, etc...) This might be the Zero fan in me talking though....

Ryu Hayabusa:
Meh, I'm not really complaining because he probably wouldn't have beat Sora no matter WHAT Ryu we saw. But I'm EXTREMELY pissed that CJayC refused to use ANY Ninja Gaiden pics in this contest. Ryu wasn't put in this contest because of DOA. He's in here because of Ninja Gaiden on X-BOX!!! And he had the NES games to back him up. Why the hell would he decide to use DOA pictures? We still haven't seen a true representation of Ryu in this contest. If he isn't back next year, he would be the most buttsecked character EVAR. Next year I plan to nominate Ryu Hayabusa, Rikimaru, Ayame, Testumaru, Taki, AND I-Ninja so they can all come and flip out on Ceej.
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SC2k4: 188/192
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Ulti:

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

50 * PacVsLink / LuigiVsLink = PacVsLuigi
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

The one thing I'd watch out for with a 20XXDF factor is that if Solid gets boosted past most/all of those characters between him and Mega Man, then Frog, MC, and Liquid Snake are going to tag along for the ride.

Yeah, I know. Samus and MC are the only characters who gained relative to Link this year that were not affected by SFF or in Seph's mysterious half division last year. That's why I'm extremely wary of saying there was an 20XXDF, and I probably won't do anything with it at all.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 10/3/2004 6:15:02 PM | Message Detail
Ulti:

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

50 * PacVsLink / LuigiVsLink = PacVsLuigi

And RPGuy cements his place as one of my favorite new faces. I herely force you to stay on this board, especially this stats topic, through the entire offseason =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Here are my numbers based on a 52-48 Link victory, btw. Any characters that will fluctuate depending upon how well Cloud finishes are marked with an asterik...I'm hoping that Link holds him under 48, 'cause that will help with a couple of these ratings.

Link - 50.00%
*Cloud - 48.00%
*Sephiroth - 42.60%
*Samus Aran - 39.35%
Crono - 37.18%
Mario - 34.77%
*Sonic the Hedgehog - 33.44%
Mega Man - 32.39%

*Ryu - 29.73%
Zero - 29.21%
*Auron - 28.78%
Solid Snake - 27.73%
*Squall Leonhart - 27.13%
Magus - 27.10%
Ganondorf - 27.02%
Frog - 26.96%

Master Chief - 26.96%
Liquid Snake - 26.93%
*Sora - 26.88%
*Vivi - 26.61%
*Dante - 25.39%
Bowser - 25.31%
*Kirby - 24.41%
*Donkey Kong - 23.16%

Alucard - 23.15%
Tidus - 22.82%
*KOS-MOS - 22.51%
Shadow the Hedgehog - 22.45%
Knuckles the Echidna - 22.44%
Tommy Vercetti - 22.29%
Yoshi - 22.23%
*Miles "Tails" Prower - 21.64%

*Ryu Hayabusa - 20.58%
*Jill Valentine - 20.57%
Luigi - 20.56%
*Scorpion - 20.24%
*Ness - 20.12%
*Viewtiful Joe - 19.56%
*Bomberman - 19.12%
Kefka - 19.09%

*Duke Nukem - 19.02%
*HK-47 - 18.52%
*Jak - 18.08%
*Vyse - 17.85%
*Kain - 17.26%
Max Payne - 16.96%
Protoman - 16.85%
Conker - 16.37%

Crash Bandicoot - 15.79%
*Sam Fisher - 14.98%
*Laharl - 14.20%
*Lara Croft - 13.86%
*Gordon Freeman - 13.34%
Pac-Man - 13.27%
*Terry Bogard - 12.82%
CATS - 12.17%

*Sly Cooper - 11.62%
JC Denton - 11.45%
Earthworm Jim - 11.02%
Ryo Hazuki - 10.49%
Luca Blight - 10.28%
Ratchet - 10.17%
Guybrush Threepwood - 8.61%
Tanner - 3.16%


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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

I don't think that Magus and Ganondorf's figures should be used as is in this contest. Looking at where Tidus stands this year, Magus/Link may be an oddity. Even though Link is obviously stronger this year, Magus did better against Link than Mega Man and about the same as Crono. Square characters seem to step up their performance against Link.....

There shouldn't be that large a gap between Magus/Ganon and Tidus. Maybe Ganondorf's performance against Alucard is his true strength, not being a Nintendo vs. Square match.... Where would Ganon's performance against Alucard place him in 2k3?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

But back to the point, one needs the full Xsts against the champion before figuring out what one character would get on someone else.

See, that's where a lot of oddities come from. The Xsts are useful to a point when deciding what range characters may get against the champion, but a lot of other variables come into play when those characters go against each other.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

50 * PacVsLink / LuigiVsLink = PacVsLuigi

So if I wanted to see what Samus would get without SFF against Link, I would do 50 * (40.99/47.62) and come up with 43.04. Does that sound right?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

That last post wasn't for BeTheMan's rankings. I think they might be pretty accurate.

I agree with Ulti though. The X-stats give a good range, but how characters perform against each other are different. How each character WILL perform is up to you though! That should ALWAYS be kept a secret as it's the only thing that can give you a leg up in this contest.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And RPGuy cements his place as one of my favorite new faces. I herely force you to stay on this board, especially this stats topic, through the entire offseason =)

Thanks. I'll do my best. ;)

And here's my rough SFF adjusted standings: (with terrible spacing, I know)

Name XS on Link
1 Link 50.00
2 Cloud Strife 47.58
3 Sephiroth 41.87
4 Samus Aran 39.01
5 Crono 37.18
6 Mario 34.77
7 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.15
8 Mega Man 32.39
9 Magus 31.81
10 Ganondorf 31.62
11 Zero 30.31
12 Ryu 29.47
13 Squall Leonhart 28.89
14 Auron 28.22
15 Bowser 28.21
16 Solid Snake 27.73
17 Alucard 27.09
18 Master Chief 26.96
19 Frog 26.96
20 Liquid Snake 26.93
21 Sora 26.64
22 Vivi 26.50
23 Kirby 25.99
24 Dante 25.17
25 Yoshi 24.63
26 Tommy Vercetti 23.13
27 Donkey Kong 23.07
28 Tidus 22.82
29 Shadow 22.45
30 Knuckles 22.44
31 Luigi 22.42
32 KOS-MOS 22.32
33 Protoman 21.69
34 Tails 21.45
35 Ryu Hayabusa 20.40
36 Jill Valentine 20.39
37 Bomberman 20.37
38 Scorpion 19.84
39 Ness 19.73
40 Viewtiful Joe 19.39
41 Kefka 19.09
42 Duke Nukem 18.85
43 Kain 18.38
44 HK-47 18.36
45 Jak 17.73
46 Vyse 17.69
47 Max Payne 17.60
48 Conker 16.37
49 Crash Bandicoot 15.79
50 Sam Fisher 14.85
51 Pac Man 14.47
52 Laharl 14.07
53 Lara Croft 13.74
54 Gordon Freeman 13.23
55 CATS 12.71
56 Terry Bogard 12.70
57 Luca Blight 12.06
58 Ryo Hazuki 11.63
59 JC Denton 11.45
60 Sly Cooper 11.41
61 Earthworm Jim 11.03
62 Ratchet 9.93
63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.60
64 Tanner 3.16


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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

There is no "doing your best", son. It isn't that hard to throw this board on your favorites list and run a search on "Discussion" once in awhile. We had an amazing offseason last year and turned into quite the tight-knit circle of not just board users, but friends. </cheesy sucking up>
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I know I'VE become great friends with many people from the stat topic. *puts arm around Ulti* *smiles ridiculously* Come and stay with us. ^_^
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

So if I wanted to see what Samus would get without SFF against Link, I would do 50 * (40.99/47.62) and come up with 43.04. Does that sound right?

No, sorry. You're taking

50 * SamusVsCloud / CloudVsLink = SamusVsLink

If you look at the original formula, you need to do a little algebraic manipulation to get the result you want.

C = Samus
B = Cloud
A = Link

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

CvB * BvA / 50 = CvA

SamusVsCloud * CloudVsLink / 50 = SamusVsLink
40.99 * 47.62 / 50 = 39.03%
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I know I'VE become great friends with many people from the stat topic. *puts arm around Ulti* *smiles ridiculously* Come and stay with us. ^_^

*immediately imagines you to look like George Clinton, and laughs*
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Also, forget the SFF-adjusted, I want to laugh...I wanna hear the unadjusted stats, myself.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

By the way, I adjusted Magus, Ganondorf, Bowser, Zero, Vivi, and Auron by the following:

Get Magus [2003] vs Mario [2003]

Use Magus/Mario [2003] * Mario [2004] / 50 to get Magus [2004]

The same for the others, except Vivi is based off of DK and I really can't remember what Auron is based off of. I think it's Dante and Tails. I found a bunch of calculations saved in notepad, and I used the Auron [2003] percent from in there.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I like this place :D Can discuss things without killing each other!
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

No, sorry. You're taking

50 * SamusVsCloud / CloudVsLink = SamusVsLink

If you look at the original formula, you need to do a little algebraic manipulation to get the result you want.

C = Samus
B = Cloud
A = Link

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

CvB * BvA / 50 = CvA

SamusVsCloud * CloudVsLink / 50 = SamusVsLink
40.99 * 47.62 / 50 = 39.03%

Oh, okay.

So if I wanted to see what Mega Man would get on Cloud, I would do,

A = Link
B= Cloud
C= Mega Man

50 * CvA/BvA = CvB

50 * (Mega Man vs Link)/(Cloud vs Link) = Mega Man vs Cloud

50 * 32.39/47.64 = 33.99

Meaning Mega Man would get 33.99% on Cloud. Or am I just stupid...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

It's also fun to play with stats and imagine what might happen in certain matchups, or look at what's going on and try to predict what will happen for the rest of the tournament.

I'm obviously no guru. I've gotten plenty wrong in this contest(I have a lousy score and my prediction originally was Cloud over Crono, after Crono barely beats Link).. but the fun is what matters.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

I just looked at the vote totals for the first time in a few hours, and I fell off my chair. We're above 92k already!
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

the contest rankings are so **** up this year I don't even know where to begin.

We have Mega Man's division and the semi-final match isn't the only thing that made this division crazy Mega Man vs. Tidus, Frog vs. MC and SS vs. Frog did a lot of damage, we also have the SFF matches in the Hyrule and Midgar Division and then we have to find a new character to use as a yardstick and that could take a while and most characters in this bracket have some kind of factor on them. I think CjayC's plan work on messing with our x-st. Our best bet is to use the 2003 x-st and make a few adjustments
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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

Yea, I followed this sparingly and rarely contributed much all contest. Wish I had followed it more. These guys know what they're talking about. And they're pretty level-headed about stuff too.
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Problem is, I can't see DK above Yoshi, it sounds so wrong. I just don't think it'll end that way.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Meaning Mega Man would get 33.99% on Cloud. Or am I just stupid...

Nope, you got it right. Good job!

You could download my XS program from sc2k4.com, but it uses the 2k3 rankings. I'll have to update that soon.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

That was for the Cloud = 48% XSt, btw.

Cloud = 47.58 looks better...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Uh, Chichiri?

25 Yoshi 24.63
26 Tommy Vercetti 23.13
27 Donkey Kong 23.07
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

*cough cough* Cloud v. Sephiroth SFF *cough cough*
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

We aren't gurus either. It's just a name given to our contest.

But in all seriousness, this is a great community. I've thought of leaving this site on more than one occasion, but I'm so close with some of the guys in this topic that I could never think to do that. I was honestly upset when I heard Slow bet his account on Samus/Sonic, and I'll kill him if he ever pulls that **** again =(
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I don't know what to do for Cloud/Seph SFF, honestly. The only people it would affect would be Sephiroth and Sly Cooper, because I've already adjusted Auron and his four pack and Vivi and DK.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Yeah, like I said, I was talking about Cloud = 48%
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

It is amazing how almost dead on the stats are when it comes to predicting matches sometimes. Didn't they predict Link at 53%? He just might get it tonight.

I've always gone by trends personally.. for proof that I'm not much of a guru or smart at all.. I predicted Vercetti would win it all in 2K3.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

I don't know what to do for Cloud/Seph SFF, honestly. The only people it would affect would be Sephiroth and Sly Cooper, because I've already adjusted Auron and his four pack and Vivi and DK.

I know exactly what to do. Ignore it. There doesn't seem to be any real reason to believe there was any significant SFF in that match. So he performed a bit worse than last year against Cloud. It could be any number of things and SFF has been shown NOT to exist between the two already.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I was honestly upset when I heard Slow bet his account on Samus/Sonic, and I'll kill him if he ever pulls that **** again =(

I was pretty upset about that too. I don't know slow that well but that was basically the only reason I stopped wanting Sonic to upset Samus...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I say we need a winter contest. Anyone got any ideas?
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Roses are red. Violets are blue.
All my base are belong to you.

We don't need a third contest. Just start the next game contest on January 1st.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Also, thanks a bunch RPGGuy ^_^
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Put the Spring Contest in Winter. More time between contests that way, and less of an off-season.

I say we don't need more contests besides the two we got...but we still have a fall/winter tourney going on. Say towards the end of the month, CJay opens nominations for something kind of random, like a Best. Band. Ever. contest (among many other ideas we could use). We nominate, he makes another bracket with the best bands/artists/whatever, and we just vote away on that. He can have prizes and make a competition out of it if he likes, but I really wouldn't care. That'll help pass the time in the off-season, and once it ends, it wouldn't be too far away from the Best. Game. Ever. contest again.

Aye or nay?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Ulti has had another brilliant idea!
I say the time between Spring and Summer contests are too close and the off season is too long. Starting another Spring Contest on January 1st is a great idea.
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Roses are red. Violets are blue.
All my base are belong to you.

Okay, let me see here...

Let's assume Link/Cloud ends at 52-48 in favor of Link. What is the formula to figure out the Xst value of everyone else? C/(B/A) = C's %?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I don't like the idea of a third contest. CJayC needs as much of a break as we do.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Roses are red. Violets are blue.
All my base are belong to you.

To celebrate our same-time post, I shall compliment your sig.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Best. Band. Ever?

Faith No More has to win that.

Too bad from what I've heard on Gamefaqs, for some reason they're not popular :P
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

OMG!!!!!1 I got my first same time post! And thanks for the compliment.
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Roses are red. Violets are blue.
All my base are belong to you.

Ceej needs an off-season as much as we do. If you really want those contests, I'm sure that there will be a user-made one on the boards here. It may not be as flashy or big as the SpC or SCs, but so what?

This contest wasn't too bad, I suppose. The ending was kind of horrible, but the beginning was good, and I finally made the leaderboard at one point, which was the highlight of the contest for me.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Let's assume Link/Cloud ends at 52-48 in favor of Link. What is the formula to figure out the Xst value of everyone else? C/(B/A) = C's %?

Well, yes, but as you go down the line the B's and C's change. For example, you can get Cloud/Link directly. You can get Samus through Samus/Cloud and Cloud/Link. You get Sonic through Sonic/Samus and the value you calculated for Samus/Link. And so on. It's fairly easy to set up an Excel spreadsheet to calculate all the values you need.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Oh well, looks like Link has it won already...

Now if only Cloud can close the gap between them to less than 1%, I'll be really happy.

With all said and done, I guess this is a decent showing by Cloud, he did beat his expected 47%.

Looks like Samus is the real winner in this contest, Link boosted massively, but she still outboost him.

Btw, who's the biggest loser in this contest?
Is it Snake or Tidus/Shadow?

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October 3rd, 2004: Finally, the time of truth is at hand:
Savior of Midgar (Cloud) vs. Champion of Hyrule (Link).

Snake, sadly enough...but I'd argue that Ryu Hayabusa should be in the running too.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Defnatilty Shadow.

Snake, sadly enough...but I'd argue that Ryu Hayabusa should be in the running too.

I wouldn't say so, he's new after all, so noone knows his true strength.

Although Jill is definitely a very big loser this year.

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October 3rd, 2004: Finally, the time of truth is at hand:
Savior of Midgar (Cloud) vs. Champion of Hyrule (Link).

Btw, who's the biggest loser in this contest?

Even with all the disappointments from established entries, I'd have to say that Tanner was the biggest loser. Yes, we all knew that he wasn't going to do anything, and Snake was going to blow him out. But proving that you're the worst entry in the Summer Contests, period... that takes some real suckitude.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Character changes from 2k3 to 2k4 (adjusted):

Name Difference
Sora 4.76
Ness 4.29
Kefka 3.01
Samus Aran 1.07
Tails 1.04
Master Chief 0.81
Bomberman 0.78
Duke Nukem 0.39
Max Payne 0.37
Link 0
Kirby -0.35
Alucard -0.47
Auron -0.51
KOS-MOS -0.64
CATS -0.81
Crono -0.96
Ryo Hazuki -0.99
Ryu -1.22
Pac Man -1.31
Vyse -1.36
Crash Bandicoot -1.67
Sonic the Hedgehog -1.77
Conker -1.77
Donkey Kong -2.27
Yoshi -2.42
Tommy Vercetti -2.45
Gordon Freeman -2.63
Bowser -2.76
Luigi -2.82
Squall Leonhart -2.83
Ratchet -2.92
Zero -2.97
Dante -3.06
Ganondorf -3.1
Magus -3.12
Mario -3.41
Knuckles -4.03
Cloud Strife -4.09
Scorpion -4.9
Jill Valentine -4.99
Mega Man -6.21
Sephiroth -7.84
Solid Snake -8.17
Sam Fisher -8.72
Lara Croft -9.11
Tidus -11.43
Shadow -11.83

MC and Samus were the only characters to gain anything significant relative to Link that weren't hit by SFF last year. Mega, Seph, and Snake dropped like rocks, and Tidus and Shadow dropped like boulders.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I think it would be nice if Ceej took Ulti's advice and made a Hall of Fame. Think about how good next year would be if there was no Link or Cloud. Not that I don't like either character, it would just be nice to see something fresh. Although Sephiroth would most likely win, it would still be better than having Link or Cloud again. Here's hoping for a Sephiroth Samus final.
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Roses are red. Violets are blue.
All my base are belong to you.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

This is what Cloud's half of the bracket would look like if 2003 Cloud = 2004 Cloud

Sora +6.83
Ness +4.93
Samus +4.27
Tails +2.70%
Duke +1.95
Ryu +1.28
KOS-MOS +1.24
Sonic +1.04
Auron +0.62
Vyse +0.16
Cloud 0.00
Sephiroth -4.11
Dante -0.87
Gordon -1.45
Donkey Kong -1.72
Ratchet -2.00
Bomberman -2.19
Jill -3.14
Scorpion -3.96
Kirby -4.08
Squall -6.91
Sam -7.22
Lara -7.67

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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

I guess it's official then, Shadow is the biggest dropper this year, with Tidus a close second.

I'm still confused about Sephy though, he dropped like a rock without any reason whatsoever while Cloud remained largely constant, dropping a little at worst.

And MM's drop make no sense either, being the ancient icon that he is, he shouldn't drop like a rock while new games are still coming out for him.

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October 3rd, 2004: Finally, the time of truth is at hand:
The Savior of Midgar (Cloud) vs. The Champion of Hyrule (Link).

I'm still confused about Sephy though, he dropped like a rock without any reason whatsoever while Cloud remained largely constant, dropping a little at worst.

SFF?

And MM's drop make no sense either, being the ancient icon that he is, he shouldn't drop like a rock while new games are still coming out for him.

Link overperforming?

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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

I'm still confused about Sephy though, he dropped like a rock without any reason whatsoever while Cloud remained largely constant, dropping a little at worst.

Sephiroth and Cloud are two separate characters. Just because one of them remains constant doesn't mean the other one has to follow suit.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I've been gone all day. So would someone please explain to me what the story is with these guys getting 95000 votes already? This has got to be some ridiculous vote-stuffing.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 2

You're looking at the two characters who bring in the most votes. They had the highest vote total in 2003 and they'll have the highest vote total in 2004. No surprise from me.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

*points to Link vs. Cloud last year*
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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

SFF?

A full 4%+, while there used to be none?

Link overperforming?

By more than 5%?
Unless there's some sort of weird SFF, it's still unjustifiable.

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October 3rd, 2004: Finally, the time of truth is at hand:
The Savior of Midgar (Cloud) vs. The Champion of Hyrule (Link).

Guys, I was here for Link/Cloud last year. However, this is very high even for them.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 2

Link cheaters were caught off-guard from Cloud cheaters last year
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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

Link overperforming?

By more than 5%?
Unless there's some sort of weird SFF, it's still unjustifiable.

If you believe in WDF then you'll believe in this

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Summer 2004 Contest 149/160 Link vs. Cloud

Sephiroth and Cloud are two separate characters. Just because one of them remains constant doesn't mean the other one has to follow suit.

I'm well aware of that, except that any factor that effects one will most likely effect the other as well.

Unless AC hype does have a huge impact on holding Cloud constant.

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October 3rd, 2004: Finally, the time of truth is at hand:
The Savior of Midgar (Cloud) vs. The Champion of Hyrule (Link).

If you believe in WDF then you'll believe in this

I've never believed in WDF nor in Link/MM SFF, that's why I'm asking if anybody has a logical explanation for MM's seemingly ridiculous drop.

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October 3rd, 2004: Finally, the time of truth is at hand:
The Savior of Midgar (Cloud) vs. The Champion of Hyrule (Link).

The home page is being slow as hell to load.

GEE, I WONDER WHY.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Just checked vote totals. Good God. Mass cheating? I mean, it doesn't really matter, but almost 100k with 7 hours left? Wow.
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Well, it was a good year, I was wrong on one prediction that I made after day 1. I should really learn to look at my bracket the day before contests... Anyways the match I missed just happened to be the most important one so I guess I won't be on the leaderboard this year. 155 points... And I've still never got the winner right for any contest since SC2k3.
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I just needed a sig so I could post messages like "..." and "XD" without getting the stupid CAPS message.

Updates:

14:45 | Link | 45378 | +0794 | 52.42% | Cloud | 41196 | +0738 | 47.58% | Lead of 4182 | (Up 56)
15:00 | Link | 46129 | +0751 | 52.39% | Cloud | 41913 | +0717 | 47.61% | Lead of 4216 | (Up 34)
15:15 | Link | 46899 | +0770 | 52.36% | Cloud | 42663 | +0750 | 47.64% | Lead of 4236 | (Up 20)
15:30 | Link | 47681 | +0782 | 52.36% | Cloud | 43387 | +0724 | 47.64% | Lead of 4294 | (Up 58)
15:45 | Link | 48443 | +0762 | 52.33% | Cloud | 44130 | +0743 | 47.67% | Lead of 4313 | (Up 19)
16:00 | Link | 49156 | +0713 | 52.33% | Cloud | 44772 | +0642 | 47.67% | Lead of 4384 | (Up 71)
16:15 | Link | 49745 | +0589 | 52.32% | Cloud | 45331 | +0559 | 47.68% | Lead of 4414 | (Up 30)
16:30 | Link | 50257 | +0512 | 52.28% | Cloud | 45877 | +0546 | 47.72% | Lead of 4380 | (Down 34)
16:45 | Link | 50802 | +0545 | 52.29% | Cloud | 46351 | +0474 | 47.71% | Lead of 4451 | (Up 71)

"Updates Left: 29
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 153.483
Link's % last update: 53.48%
Total Votes so far: 97153"

Holy hell... I just got back from church (ugh). The vote totals are amazing....


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Although Jill is definitely a very big loser this year.

Maybe outside of the board, but not in it. I think there were all of like, six people in the guru's to side with Jill, and the bop split was similar to it. No one was really givin her much of a chance, and she almost made it. I think our biggest board flop was ryu, because he didn't even keep it close to Sora.

and ulti, you said that we should retire link and cloud?
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Let's see if I can do this right. Assuming 52-48 in Link/Cloud...

50 x [(Samus vs Cloud)/(Cloud vs Link)] = Samus vs Link

50 x [(40.99)/(48)] = 42.7%

Without SFF, Samus has improved by round 5% on Link in one year. Considering how Link is far more powerful this year than in any other year, that extra 5% turns into a hell of a lot more against any other character.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

come on Cloud... time to start that night vote.... please?
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Maybe outside of the board, but not in it. I think there were all of like, six people in the guru's to side with Jill, and the bop split was similar to it. No one was really givin her much of a chance, and she almost made it. I think our biggest board flop was ryu, because he didn't even keep it close to Sora.

Well, my question was really who dropped the most among the returning contestants.

While Ryu was indeed a flop, he wasn't a returning contestant.

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October 3rd, 2004: Finally, the time of truth is at hand:
The Savior of Midgar (Cloud) vs. The Champion of Hyrule (Link).

I can figure out Xsts among direct matchups easily enough, but what about the odd characters? How would you figure out the Xst value for a character like Scorpion?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Ulti, you made the same mistake as MasterMage did last page. You're taking:

50 * SamusVsCloud / CloudVsLink = SamusVsLink

If you look at the original formula, you need to do a little algebraic manipulation to get the result you want.

C = Samus
B = Cloud
A = Link

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

Solve for CvA (Samus vs Link)

CvB * BvA / 50 = CvA

SamusVsCloud * CloudVsLink / 50 = SamusVsLink
40.99 * 47.62 / 50 = 39.03%
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

come on Cloud... time to start that night vote.... please?

He just lost the 17:00 Update by 39 votes. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud won't win this, obviously. I'm just hoping that he can manage to score around the 48% range.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Let's see if I can do this right. Assuming 52-48 in Link/Cloud...

50 x [(Samus vs Cloud)/(Cloud vs Link)] = Samus vs Link

50 x [(40.99)/(48)] = 42.7%

Nope. That's what I did the first time too.

Try 50 * (Samus vs Cloud)/(Cloud vs Link) = Samus vs Link.

That gets you 39.41 which is correct.

The second one from the first variable is the first from the second variable.
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I'm actually hoping Cloud makes some kinda late night comeback.

Not to win of course, but to raise his percentage, to distant Sonic from Mega Man.

He just lost the 17:00 Update by 39 votes. ;)

;.;

I know he won't win, but I'd at least like him to make it close.
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Although Jill is definitely a very big loser this year.

Considering that she had more brackets supporting her as a 14-seed than the 3-seeded Ryu Hayabusa, then considering how close it was on BOTH days they faced, I think Ryu is indefinately more of a loser than Jill this year, even if he did beat her.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

yeah, true, sidharta, so Jill dropped the most then? i would look back, but I'm not sure who's list are sff adjusted and the like
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I can figure out Xsts among direct matchups easily enough, but what about the odd characters? How would you figure out the Xst value for a character like Scorpion?

Well, Scorpion got SFF adjusted through Auron by my stats, but in unadjusted stats, you'd do this:

SephVsLink = SephVsCloud * CloudVsLink / 50
AuronVsLink = AuronVsSeph * SephVsLink / 50
ScorpVSLink = ScorpVsAuron * AuronVsLink / 50
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Try 50 * (Samus vs Cloud)/(Cloud vs Link) = Samus vs Link.

That gets you 39.41 which is correct.

The second one from the first variable is the first from the second variable.

Oops, oops, oops, oops, oops...

I meant, try:

50 * Samus vs Cloud/ Link vs Cloud = Samus vs Link.

The second in both of the first two variables should be the same. Sorry about that.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

;.;

I know he won't win, but I'd at least like him to make it close.

It's odd that in the most recent update, Link got 146 more votes than the previous update and Cloud got 178 more votes than the previous update.

Nothing fishy about that. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

yeah, true, sidharta, so Jill dropped the most then? i would look back, but I'm not sure who's list are sff adjusted and the like

Tidus and Shadow dropped the most, no matter how you adjust the stats.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Say RPG, do you have AIM?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Yes, same username as this one.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Well, Cloud has been halting Link's gains for a long time. We might see a 180 from last year's match.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

The second in both of the first two variables should be the same. Sorry about that.

Layman's terms, plz. Why do you need to use 52 instead of 48?
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++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Tidus and Shadow dropped the most, no matter how you adjust the stats

Adjust for Link's overperformance on Mega Man, and Tidus's underperformance, and voila. Heh heh.

Honestly, it makes absolutely no sense that Tidus and Shadow would have such immense drops relative to each other. Maybe Shadow did benefit from a Mario-Sonic type atmosphere last year. If that is Shadow's true strength, then Wario really sucks.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

17:00 | Link | 51493 | +0691 | 52.28% | Cloud | 47003 | +0652 | 47.72% | Lead of 4490 | (Up 39)
17:15 | Link | 52241 | +0748 | 52.30% | Cloud | 47647 | +0644 | 47.70% | Lead of 4594 | (Up 104)

"Updates Left: 27
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 170.149
Link's % last update: 53.74%
Total Votes so far: 99888"

Compare the invididual vote totals for those two updates to the updates in the half hour preceeding it.

Interesting. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And we have broken 100,000.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

cool
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you have to randomly interupt a conversation and yell "MORTAL COMBAT!!!!!!" and start doing pathetic dance moves while making stupid techno sounds

Layman's terms, plz. Why do you need to use 52 instead of 48?

Instead of doing:

50 * (Samus vs Cloud)/(Cloud vs Link)

you do:

50 * (Samus vs Cloud)/(Link vs Cloud)

So you keep Cloud as the second one in both. See?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Link 52.33% 52473
Cloud Strife 47.67% 47807
TOTAL VOTES 100280

Heh.
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Ugh...Kirby over Alucard was getting on my nerves, so I readjust the SFF'ing for Ganondorf (which forced me to readjust for Magus and Bowser accordingly), and then I tried to give 20XX a little perk-up, so I changed Mega Man's drop-off to the level he suffered from '02 to '03, and then fixed that division accordingly...and then I moved Luigi and Yoshi back to how I originally had them set up...and I touched up the Zero + Protoman SFF'ing too...

:: shakes head :: Way too many revisions for my liking. I'll post my latest figures (based on a 52-48 Link victory) and get away from this for a while.

Link - 50.00%
*Cloud - 48.00%
*Sephiroth - 42.60%
*Samus Aran - 39.35%
Crono - 37.18%
Mario - 34.77%
Mega Man - 34.29%
*Sonic the Hedgehog - 33.44%

Zero - 30.67%
*Ryu - 29.73%
Magus - 29.42%
Solid Snake - 29.36%
Ganondorf - 29.07%
*Auron - 28.78%
Frog - 28.54%
Master Chief - 28.54%

Liquid Snake - 28.51%
*Squall Leonhart - 27.13%
*Sora - 26.88%
*Vivi - 26.60%
Bowser - 25.92%
*Dante - 25.39%
Alucard - 24.91%
*Kirby - 24.41%

Tidus - 24.15%%
Knuckles the Echidna - 23.76%
Shadow the Hedgehog - 23.76%
Yoshi - 23.55%
Tommy Vercetti - 23.41%
*Donkey Kong - 23.16%
*KOS-MOS - 22.51%
Luigi - 22.13%

*Miles "Tails" Prower - 21.64%
*Ryu Hayabusa - 20.58%
*Jill Valentine - 20.57%
Kefka - 20.22%
*Scorpion - 20.24%
*Ness - 20.12%
*Viewtiful Joe - 19.56%
*Bomberman - 19.12%

*Duke Nukem - 19.02%
*HK-47 - 18.52%
*Jak - 18.08%
*Vyse - 17.85%
Max Payne - 17.81%
Protoman - 17.50%
*Kain - 17.26%
Crash Bandicoot - 16.71%

Conker - 16.37%
*Sam Fisher - 14.98%
Pac-Man - 14.28%
*Laharl - 14.20%
*Lara Croft - 13.86%
*Gordon Freeman - 13.34%
*Terry Bogard - 12.82%
CATS - 12.17%

Earthworm Jim - 11.67%
*Sly Cooper - 11.62%
JC Denton - 11.45%
Luca Blight - 11.16%
Ryo Hazuki - 11.12%
Ratchet - 10.17%
Guybrush Threepwood - 8.82%
Tanner - 3.35%
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

If you feel your posts in this topic are ignored, clap your hands.

*claps hands*
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I feel like my posts are ignored. Does anyone else?
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

*claps hands*

*negates above hand clapping*
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I feel like my posts are ignored. Does anyone else?

... I've been reading them.

And swirldude's, too. I just don't really feel like I have much to say about it sometimes. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*cla...* awww, screw it. I'm getting ready to go to a girl's house anyways.

Hey, can we petition for CJayC to have the top performers to get automatically nominated next year so we don't have to waste nominations on them? That way, we can focus on getting more new characters in the contest. That way, the contest can still be SOMEWHAT unpredictable.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Mumei said it best. If you don't get any replies, it's probably because nobody really has anything worthwhile to say or add to it, even though they might find it interesting. Of course, the best way to avoid that is to talk about what everyone else is at the moment.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Why don't we set up a petition so that we can just take complete control over the contests, then? :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Good idea Haste2, we should get on that right away.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Differences between MasterMage's formula and CN's:

MM's: 50 * CvB / AvB = CvA
CN's: CvB * BvA = CvA

Now, if they resulted from the same formula, the CvA would be the same and they'd be equal. So, let's set them equal to each other.

50 * CvB / AvB = CvB * BvA / 50

The CvB's cross out, leaving us with:

50 / AvB = BvA / 50

AvB is nothing more than (100-BvA), so let's sub that in:

50 / (100 - BvA) = BvA / 50

Cross multiply:

2500 = (100 * BvA) - BvA ^ 2

So, when BvA = 50, they are equal. Otherwise, MasterMage's will be off.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Yes, let's have a user-made bracket and user-made match pictures next year.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

First WDF now 20XXF. Megaman's underperformance (or link's overperfromance depending on how you want to see it) screwed that whole division over. Now Snake is definately out of the noble nine because of several reasons (this is just my opinion).

1. He was the lowest ranked of the noble nine

2. he was confortably outranked by zero and ryu (a character tahn he beat 57-43 last year)

3. and three he isn't projected to break 30% on link the contest winner
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

This match has now passed 2002's Link vs. Sephiroth and has probably passed Tom Nook vs. Crono by the time I finished typing this. That would mean it is in 39th place for vote totals.

Where do you expect it to finish?

http://www.sc2k4.com/displaytable.php?contest=all&fields=&sort=totalvotes&type=DESC
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yes, let's have a user-made bracket and user-made match pictures next year.

I'll second that.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I just noticed that Zelda-Lara Croft is the 10th most popular poll of all-time...Well, this ought to break the top 10, at least.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I'll third it, and my zerglings will fourth, fifth, sixth...

...

...

...one hundred twenty nine thousand it.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe!

I'll 129,001st it.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

So RPGuy, what is the universal formula that we should all use?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I believe kawaiifan and King Morgoth have their own versions of doing it as well. They were explaining it in one of the Oracle topics.

I've seen many ways to do the X-Sts. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I like [(CvA)/(BvA)] * 50 = CvB, myself.
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++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

There's three of them. :-p

C = weak character
B = strong character
C = yardstick (typically Link)

If you want to compare two characters, and you know their strength relative to the yardstick (useful during the tourney):

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

If you want to calculate the weaker character vs the yardstick (useful to get the XS):

CvB * BvA / 50 = CvA

If you want to calculate the stronger character vs the yardstick (useful in SFF adjustments and calculating new characters):

50 * CvA / CvB = BvA

And there you have it.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

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Those are all derived using CN's method, by the way.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

C = weak character
B = strong character
C = yardstick (typically Link)

Shouldn't the "yardstick" be A?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Shouldn't the "yardstick" be A?

TYPO'D!

Indeed. That should read:

C = weak character
B = strong character
A = yardstick (typically Link)
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Where has creativename been lately? He shouldn't be missing the final contest match. I'm posting this again.

creativename:

Ulti requested that I make the final match pics separate for you to put on your site. I have them ready in a document, and since they all share the same link, I'm giving up less trouble for you to find it.

http://www.freewebs.com/adamwestbatman

Click on "Link vs Cloud", or save it onto your computer. Thanks.
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Lonely Angel
Now, can I say ownage: http://img67.exs.cx/img67/2721/FinalFantasyVIIvsZeroWing_thumb.gif

Hm... Well, RPGuy corrected me on AIM and now I am POSITIVE I have this down pat.

CvB * BvA/50 = CvA

Let C = the weaker character (between C and A)

Let B = the common opponent.

Let A = the stronger character (between C and A)

So if you wanted to find Samus vs Link.

C = Samus

A = Link

40.99 x 48 = 1967.52

1967.52/50 = 39.35%

Meaning Samus would get 39.35 on Link without SFF.

RPG, if I still did this wrong... just shoot me okay?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I just hope Link can hold onto at least 52%, or at least above 51.61%--Cloud's percentage last year.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

I think Mega Man vs Link will be one of the great mysteries of our time. Up there with Roswell and how Kevin Costner keeps getting work.

If Link and Sephiroth had met last year, would that match have received more votes than Link vs. Cloud?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Okay, let's make C = Duke Nukem, B = Cloud, and A = Link:

If you want to compare two characters, and you know their strength relative to the yardstick (useful during the tourney):

50 * CvA / BvA = CvB

I know that method somewhat well already...

[(19.02)/(48)] * 50 = 19.81%; Duke's expected percentage against Cloud.

If you want to calculate the weaker character vs the yardstick (useful to get the XS):

CvB * BvA / 50 = CvA

[(19.81)(48)]/50 = 19.02%; Duke's expected percentage on Link.

If you want to calculate the stronger character vs the yardstick (useful in SFF adjustments and calculating new characters):

50 * CvA / CvB = BvA

And there you have it.

[(19.02)/19.81)] * 50 = 48.01%; Cloud's expected percentage against Link.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Don't worry, MasterMage, that's exactly right.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Don't worry, MasterMage, that's exactly right.

Thank god. I'll just always use that method since it is basically workable in any situation as far as I can tell...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

At the very least, this match is on track to pass Zelda vs. Lara for the 10th highest vote total.

Kinda depressing that 2002 had 3 100,000+ matches and this one has only 2, despite the userbase being about three times as large for this contest.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Insteresting...the lowest prediction percentage for this contest will be 22% (Frog vs. MC), unless everyone and his dog picked Cloud to beat Link.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Okay, good. I'm just doing this so that we may create formulas that are explained in layman's terms, for the benefit of both myself and those who are as confused as I am. Creativename's Xst Explanation Page is very intimidating =(

A = Strongest Character (Link is a good example)
B = Character Weaker than A (Cloud is a good example)
C = Character Weaker than B (anyone but Cloud or Link)

To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA

To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB

To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

damn 7 votes

DAMN SEVEN VOTES
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Nonetheless, from here on out, it looks like the later rounds of these contests will always be predictable...hence why the first two rounds are so important.

What did Ceej decide to do with the first two rounds?

Litter them with SFF while giving us only one newbie vs. newbie match (Frog vs. Liquid.)
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

It says a lot about the predictability of this contest when a 2nd round matchup is the most difficult to predict in the contest.

Also, just to put this in perspective, these are the first round matches that had a lower prediction percentage than Link being in the finals (67.67%):

Ganondorf/Alucard
Frog/Liquid Snake
Kefka/Knuckles
Vyse/Laharl
Ness/Jak
Vivi/Donkey Kong
Viewtiful Joe/Tails
Ryu Hayabusa/Jill Valentine
Sam Fisher/Gordon Freeman

That's right. More people predicted Gordon Freeman to win a match than predicted Link to lose before the finals. Yes, that is bracket dominance.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Yeah, we had some pretty terrible 8/9, 7/10, 4/5, and 3/6 matches this year.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Looks like Cloud is going to win the next update. The night vote has begun. Shoot for that 48%!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Regardless of how you cut it, Snake decreased.
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"I have been infected with the X Virus."--Samus Aran

Looks like Cloud is going to win the next update. The night vote has begun. Shoot for that 48%!

Very good. ;)

17:30 | Link | 52924 | +0683 | 52.30% | Cloud | 48277 | +0630 | 47.70% | Lead of 4647 | (Up 53)
17:45 | Link | 53597 | +0673 | 52.26% | Cloud | 48962 | +0685 | 47.74% | Lead of 4635 | (Down 12)
18:00 | Link | 54271 | +0674 | 52.25% | Cloud | 49591 | +0629 | 47.75% | Lead of 4680 | (Up 45)
18:15 | Link | 54964 | +0693 | 52.26% | Cloud | 50212 | +0621 | 47.74% | Lead of 4752 | (Up 72)
18:30 | Link | 55616 | +0652 | 52.21% | Cloud | 50905 | +0693 | 47.79% | Lead of 4711 | (Down 41)

"Updates Left: 22
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 214.137
Link's % last update: 48.48%
Total Votes so far: 106521"

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah, I think no one's enough of a fool to disagree on that. No matter how you rank the characters, Snake took a significant nosedive.

Yep... five months of trying to figure out what happened last Friday. Happy happy fun fun.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Characters that fell by over 5% (adjusted):

Mega Man :32.39 : -6.21
Sephiroth : 41.87 : -7.84
Solid Snake : 27.73 : -8.17
Sam Fisher : 14.85 : -8.72
Lara Croft : 13.74 : -9.11
Tidus : 22.82 : -11.43
Shadow : 22.45 : -11.83
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

And Cloud wins another update. It's time for the biggest comeback...EVER!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

That list on post 199 makes it kinda hard to argue against a 20XXDF. Megaman, Snake, Tidus and Shadow were expected to be the top four performers in the division, and they end up taking four of the seven biggest drops in the entire bracket. Let's not forget Zero and Knuckles, who aren't far either. I think Master Chief being the only character in that division to show any raw improvement (and by not even a full point, even with his awesome performances) after adjusting Crono/Kefka SFF is pretty telling.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Wait, I take that back. Link was used as yardstick. Bad idea.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

But, Slow, if we boost 20XX, we have to boost MC/Frog/LS. And they're pretty high already. From my adjusted stats:

14. Auron - 28.22
15. Bowser - 28.21
16. Solid Snake - 27.73
17. Alucard - 27.09
18. Master Chief - 26.96
19. Frog - 26.96
20. Liquid Snake - 26.93
21. Sora - 26.64
22. Vivi - 26.50
23. Kirby - 25.99
24. Dante - 25.17

It's hard to see that trio above Bowser and Auron. And once you get past them, you've got Gdorf, Magus, Zero, and the Noble Nine.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Holy crap, Kirby is that close to Snake?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'll put up a character gain/loss relative to Mario eventually, but I have homework I should be doing right now.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

23. Kirby - 25.99
24. Dante - 25.17

XD
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

tag
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Remember Dr T? Now he's back, in POG FORM!
You have the best username I have ever seen. Make love to me.-Bloofy Leaderboard Rank: 21

Heh, it's the first time Kirby beats Dante in the X-Sts, I think. A piss-poor showing against Sonic will do that to ya.
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MAGIKARP used SPLASH!
MAGUS died of the most painful and agonizing death possible!

23. Kirby - 25.99
24. Dante - 25.17

YES! This'll change by next year, but dammit, I'm happy right now. Somebody send this to ertyu, please.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Almost to 110,000... =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yes, let's have a user-made bracket and user-made match pictures next year.

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I'll second that.

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I'll third it, and my zerglings will fourth, fifth, sixth...

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...one hundred twenty nine thousand it.

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I'll 129,001st it.


i am seriously behind doing this. in fact, i was going to suggest this when i posted my version of a SC2K5 bracket on Monday or Tuesday. we really should put our heads together to come up with the most interesting and most unpredictable bracket we can. then, we need to present it to CJayC, not because we think we're better than him, but as a help to him because we spend all this time analyzing these contests and coming up with tough matches. it would be awesome for all of this contest and bracket analysis to be put to some use.

seriously, what do we accomplish by a dozen different people posting what we think would make an awesome bracket? sure, we know what some great matchups and divisions would be, but we knew that last off-season and look at the massively predictable bracket we wound up with. we can try to use our "Ultimate Guru S2K5 Bracket" to hold a tournament on this board, but it's not that satisfying since the board's favorites are very different from the character's actual strength. how magnificent would it be to put our collective knowledge and analysis to great use and actually come up with a bracket that gets used next year?

and we don't even need to worry about getting any credit for presenting a Character Battle Bracket for CJayC to use; i for one just want us to come up with a bracket that can be used to bring the magic back to this contest that it had in 2K2 and even in 2K3. and together, i think we can come up with such an unpredictable bracket. the only tough part would be getting CJayC to notice it. and what would be the worst that could happen if we try this? the worst Ceej could do is not notice it or flat out tell us to shutup, but it's not like we'd get banned or anything. it doesn't hurt to try.

so, seriously, gurus, we should put our heads together over the next few weeks or months and come up with the most unpredictable, head-scratching, interesting SC2K5 bracket we can.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Donkey Kong looks quite good in the extrapolated statistics. I like that.

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Just tell your parents that the house burnt down because you were out saving a bunch of money on your car insurance by switching to Geico. They'll understand.

btw - congrats on getting your pic used, RPGuy!! your pic was my personal favorite out of the ones used today.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Yes but where? Something tells me the stat topic wouldn't be a great place to try and work together to make a bracket. Maybe a secret board?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Kirby was part of the mysteriously underrated Sephiroth half division last year, too. And he benefits if I adjusted Squall too much, which I don't think I did.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

The main problem with that is that this topic is available for everyone to see, so unless we seclude ourselves somehow, we won't even be able to keep an eventual proposed bracket under wraps.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

My ideas on how to create a user picked bracket.

Idea 1: Make a bracket tournament on this board, winner gets sent to CJayC and used for bracket next contest.

Idea 2: Compile averages of all user brackets and that is bracket used next year.

Idea 3: Users submit brackets to CJayC ala art competition, Top 10 get voted on by the useres, top vote getter is used next contest.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

The main problem with that is that this topic is available for everyone to see, so unless we seclude ourselves somehow, we won't even be able to keep an eventual proposed bracket under wraps.

Great minds think alike. Yeah, I guess a secret board is plausible. We could EASILY IM the board to everyone in here...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

so, seriously, gurus, we should put our heads together over the next few weeks or months and come up with the most unpredictable, head-scratching, interesting SC2K5 bracket we can.

We'd also have to spend some time thinking like the average nominator. Remember, there will be some new blood coming in and some old blood going out. We'll have to account for the tastes of the nominators. Perhaps making a bracket with the characters that are almost certain to make it, with open holes for the new people.

Oh, and just to be on the safe side, we should make a bracket with Link + Cloud, and one without.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Ceej has it in his power to make invite only boards. If he would somehow buy into that idea, he could make a board for us.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

... Perhaps you guys need to try to ask CJayC if he would even be willing to consider it before getting your hopes up about it. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Idea 1: Make a bracket tournament on this board, winner gets sent to CJayC and used for bracket next contest.

Idea 2: Compile averages of all user brackets and that is bracket used next year.

Idea 3: Users submit brackets to CJayC ala art competition, Top 10 get voted on by the useres, top vote getter is used next contest.

No offense or anything but I don't think that any of those ideas are very good. I think only the stat topic should really be involved since we have more knowledge than the rest of the board on these things.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

cyko, you got my hopes up now, heh.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16677718
Postin' this again 'cuz I let the last one sink off the boards...my bad. Plus, I think it's got some cool matches that should be seen next year.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

And put someone like Ulti in charge? Interesting.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Link-Cloud is about to break the top 20 in all-time vote totals.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

And put someone like Ulti in charge? Interesting.

Who was that directed at? Not that this really needs anyone to be in charge.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

i just want a purely nomination-based bracket.


just "simply unfooled around with".

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http://www.rpgelite.org
*smites Yoshi, Tails, Vyse, and Crono for wrecking his SC2k4 chances*

It wouldn't be hard to make the proposed user bracket on a different board server.


Could make a special board for the sole purpose of creating the new bracket and just keep it hidden.
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

Actually, Kirby was ahead of Dante in 2002...

As for the 20XX, I think there are ways around it. There are plenty of other things that may have caused it: maybe Crono is still more popular than we're giving him credit for, and that he just underperformed against Mario, because, well, Mario is Mario. On top of that, Cloud might be doing better than he should against Link due to desperate Cloud vote stuffers. Why would you vote stuff for Link when he's winning fairly comfortably? Both of those, combined with a (lesser) underperformance of Mega Man could take care of all the weird stuff.

Kinda like how maybe Sephiroth didn't overperform by 5% on Link in 2002. Maybe by 2% instead, while Mario underperformed by 2%, and then Link increased from '02 to '03 by 2%. There could be a lot more variation in big matches than you might think. That also takes care of the balance of extrapolated values between '02 to '03 almost exactly the same as the WDF does. Get it?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

But it's going to take someone to mediate this operation (if it ever happens) and, if necessary, send invites to.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

The main problem with that is that this topic is available for everyone to see, so unless we seclude ourselves somehow, we won't even be able to keep an eventual proposed bracket under wraps.


i think that's a great idea. find a secret board and only let the discussion regulars know where it is.


We'd also have to spend some time thinking like the average nominator. Remember, there will be some new blood coming in and some old blood going out. We'll have to account for the tastes of the nominators. Perhaps making a bracket with the characters that are almost certain to make it, with open holes for the new people.
that's why we would need several discussion regulars who can try to be unbiased (i.e. no Smurf X). even if one or two guys are biased a little, the rest can overrule him.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

My revised bracket for next year.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16677807
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

A 3rd place match between Samus and Mega Man tomorrow would do wonders for figuring out stats.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

But it's going to take someone to mediate this operation (if it ever happens) and, if necessary, send invites to.

Oh well yeah. In the sense of getting the board that we would do it on, someone would need to IM everyone from the stat topic. But once we have that board, we would basically just have to come to mutual agreements on matches that should and shouldn't occur then set up the bracket, followed with alterations until we have avoided almost all SFF and have a difficult bracket.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

i think that's a great idea. find a secret board and only let the discussion regulars know where it is.

What is a "regular", exactly? I've been reading these topics since the middle of the Spring contest, and I'm not sure whether people would say that I'm a regular.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

But it's going to take someone to mediate this operation (if it ever happens) and, if necessary, send invites to.

i'd be willing to mediate. or someone else who's always been respected in this topic like Heroic Mario, or Ulti, or you, Slowflake, would be a good choice. heck, i'd bet there's several regular gurus who would be willing to do that.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

What is a "regular", exactly? I've been reading these topics since the middle of the Spring contest, and I'm not sure whether people would say that I'm a regular.

You are a regular. In my book at least.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

How about a list of "regulars"?
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Well....that won't happen.

Sephiroth is clearly 3rd, and I doubt CJayC would make a bronze match after the finals have taken place...

But I really like the idea of a user bracket being used. We could get rid of SFF, finally put in Mario/Sonic, see if Magus can take one of the noble nine...
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

Anyone who normally contributes to this topic in a worthwhile manner is considered a regular, in my book.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I have been reading these topics a ton and analyzing the stats a ton also, and would like to participate in this idea as fully as I would be allowed to. dunno what exactly the collaberation effort is going to be on this project.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I'd like to see this list or regulars, too.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

CjayC will not be able to directly accept a bracket for us. Since we made the bracket we would technically have an unfair advantage over everybody else. Even if everybody involved was made ineligable to win a prize, it would be a huge hassle to make sure nobody here leaked the information. We can give CjayC a few pointers on making a good bracket and a few examples of such a bracket, but out right accpeting a bracket can't happen.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

You are a regular. In my book at least.

Heh.

18:45 | Link | 56196 | +0580 | 52.16% | Cloud | 51533 | +0628 | 47.84% | Lead of 4663 | (Down 48)
19:00 | Link | 56851 | +0655 | 52.16% | Cloud | 52135 | +0602 | 47.84% | Lead of 4716 | (Up 53)
19:15 | Link | 57485 | +0634 | 52.15% | Cloud | 52750 | +0615 | 47.85% | Lead of 4735 | (Up 19)

"Updates Left: 19
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 249.211
Link's % last update: 50.76%
Total Votes so far: 110235"

Sorry Leonhart. ;)

Oh and we are in 20th place as of this Update. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

What is a "regular", exactly? I've been reading these topics since the middle of the Spring contest, and I'm not sure whether people would say that I'm a regular.


i would consider you a regular, Mumei. basically, to me, a regular discussion guru would be anyone who posts in this topic regularly, and posts their opinions with actual thought and reasoning behind their opinions. it's also the guys who regularly break down numbers and raise good questions for consideration.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I read more than I post... I'm probably not a regular though >_>
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

CjayC will not be able to directly accept a bracket for us. Since we made the bracket we would technically have an unfair advantage over everybody else. Even if everybody involved was made ineligable to win a prize, it would be a huge hassle to make sure nobody here leaked the information. We can give CjayC a few pointers on making a good bracket and a few examples of such a bracket, but out right accpeting a bracket can't happen.

I don't really see how we would get an unfair advantage but I'm sure if he trusted us to make a bracket, he'd trust us to not leak info.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

He still has the final word, he can change whatever unfair advantages he thinks we might have made for ourselves.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

From what I've seen of the 15 or so topics I've been reading these, I consider Mumei a regular for sure. I see Mumei post more than most others >_>
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

Cloud is still stalling Link enough to where he could possibly best Link's percentage in his losing effort last year.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

CjayC will not be able to directly accept a bracket for us. Since we made the bracket we would technically have an unfair advantage over everybody else.

well, no. that's exactly what we would try to avoid. the whole point of coming up with a truly tough, unpredictable bracket is to come up with matches where even us stat-freaks have no idea who the clear winner would be.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Still nothin for my revised bracket. Why am I not surprised?

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16677807
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Since we made the bracket we would technically have an unfair advantage over everybody else.

Not really. Everyone else has free access to the same information that we do.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

And we've just passed Link-Magus for 19th place. Next is Cloud-Bowser.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Technically we would have extra time to think over the matches, which is sorta unfair.

The best solution would be to be forced to give up eligibility for prizes if applicable in order to participate in this.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

This match is on pace for 130k, I'd bet


XD


Link will do better than Cloud did in 03', both in % and in vote differential.
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

Well it's about time for Cloud to start picking up some sort of pace, I just hope he can do so, for he's been stalling for quite a while.

And I just realized that I'm going to finish 1 point behind my fanboyish joke of a spring contest bracket that I spent maybe 5 minutes filling out.

*sigh*

That's what not picking the winner correctly will get ya, I guess. 1 point, though? Damn.

And it makes me sad to think that Link would be doing even better if it weren't for some rigorous Cloud vote stuffing.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Well, we'd really only have an unfair advantage if we made lots of matches like Zero vs. Tommy Vercetti. Most of the brackets made here contain matches that are most difficult for US to figure out.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Technically we would have extra time to think over the matches, which is sorta unfair.

we would have more time, but we usually over-think matches and second-guess ourselves when we have more time to think. more time to think would probably hurt us more, lol.



The best solution would be to be forced to give up eligibility for prizes if applicable in order to participate in this.

but, if that's what it came to, and our bracket was actually used, i'd be willing to comply.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Yeah, I'd definitely give up eligibility, if that's what it took. I don't care about winning.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

I can't win anyway, so I'd be fine with that condition. Besides, I'd say that the joy of a two-month long GREAT contest would be worth whatever the prizes would be, right?
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Agreed
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I'd like to see:

1. Link
2. Solid Snake
3. Vincent Valentine

1. Cloud
2. Crono
3. Zero

1. Mega Man
2. Mario
3. Sonic

1. Sephiroth
2. Samus
3. Magus
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

Just passed Cloud-Bowser and Sephiroth-Alucard in rapid succession. Next up is Squall-Samus.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

You guys read my mind. I e-mailed CJayC a few days ago with an idea about allowing users to create a bracket, but they would have to forego their chance to win a prize in return.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Just passed Cloud-Bowser and Sephiroth-Alucard in rapid succession. Next up is Squall-Samus.

A lot of matches around 110,000 - 114,000. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I actually think we should get a prize for making the bracket, but I'm just greedy like that.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

You guys read my mind. I e-mailed CJayC a few days ago with an idea about allowing users to create a bracket, but they would have to forego their chance to win a prize in return.

I could care less about prizes. I put myself down as ineligible because I didn't care... and because I didn't think I had a chance.

>.>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

We should really ALL e-mail him that the people from the Contest Stats and Discussion topic would like a private board to create the summer 2005 contest bracket, using past results and new nominations to decide the matches and make it unpredictable. In return, we promise not to leak any information and give up eligibility.

I think only the regulars of this topic should really be allowed since most other people will be fairly clueless.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

so, let's do it then. who's gonna pick out the secret board?

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Considering I've already won one of these things, I would have no problem giving up my eligibility in order to give us a better bracket. I'm sure others in this topic wouldn't mind, either.

Come to think of it, who else would be interested in such an idea? If you're willing to give up contest eligibility in order to take part in creating a bracket for the contest, as well as possibly other things, let me know. I would put this on Board 7, but I'd rather keep this among ourselves. I already know for a fact that Slowflake wouldn't mind. He's Canadian and can't win, anyway =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I actually think we should get a prize for making the bracket, but I'm just greedy like that.

How about recognition when the contest is over? That way, you get accolades, but not the bothersome people looking for an advantage before the predictions close.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Well, we'd place somebody in charge of the project and allow him to choose who's involved.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Okay, it seems like a lot of you guys would be interested.

1 - UltimaterializerX

Add your name to the list, and I'll e-mail CJayC with the idea in a day or two.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Count me in, Ulti.

Also, we could work of some previously made brackets, like mine.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16677807
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Here's the changes in popularity relative to Mario (based on 47.87% for Cloud)

Name Difference (Mario)
Sora : 9.89
Ness : 8.15
Kefka : 6.4
Samus Aran : 6.01
Master Chief : 4.53
Tails : 4.3
Bomberman : 3.63
Link : 3.41
Crono : 3.29
Duke Nukem : 3.1
Auron : 2.96
Kirby : 2.88
Alucard : 2.87
Max Payne : 2.74
Ryu : 2.45
Sonic the Hedgehog : 2.23
KOS-MOS : 2.23
Vyse : 0.65
Cloud Strife : 0.63
CATS : 0.57
Ryo Hazuki : 0.19
Pac Man : 0.15
Squall Leonhart : 0
Zero : 0
Mario : 0
Yoshi : 0
Bowser : 0
Magus : 0
Ganondorf : 0
Donkey Kong : -0.01
Crash Bandicoot : -0.16
Conker : -0.22
Tommy Vercetti : -0.24
Dante : -0.55
Luigi : -0.81
Gordon Freeman : -1.62
Knuckles : -2.39
Ratchet : -2.46
Sephiroth : -2.87
Jill Valentine : -3.74
Scorpion : -3.87
Mega Man : -3.97
Solid Snake : -7.13
Sam Fisher : -9.39
Lara Croft : -10.05
Tidus : -12.04
Shadow : -12.61

Some are 0 because I used a static Mario in SFF calculations.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119

I think 30 people e-mailing him would be more... attention grabbing.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - RPGuy96

Provided that I'm a regular.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

quick question: if a fire emblem character was in the 2k5 character i think it should be marth or roy b/c of their appearances in ssbm, but which is more popular? roy?
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I think 30 people e-mailing him would be more... attention grabbing.

It would also not work. Trust me on this.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96

Just merging the lists for convenience.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

It would also not work. Trust me on this.

Heh. Okay, I will.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I've got some cool gaming stuff I'm gonna use for bets for next year's contest. Displays, rare games, etc.

Wanna use something as a prize for winning the prophet challenge?

(Forgive me not knowing anything about it, I'm not really new but don't pay attention to the boards that much.)
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"IT ONLY BURNS WHEN I CLOSE MY MOUTH"

People, ignore this "regular" status. If you're willing to help make this contest better, then put your name on the list. I can only think of two people that I would personally reject regardless.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - RPGuy96
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Leonhart4
4 - Mumei
5 - RPGuy96
6 - DomaDragoon
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6- outback
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Hmm, yeah, I rather like that bracket of the top 3.

Link will never lose before the Final Four, unless Cloud is put with him. But Vincent is unpredictable, he could easily upset Snake, or he could be a dud.

Cloud vs Crono would not be that great, but again, it is hard to make good matches with Cloud and Link, outside of them facing off.

I love the third division. Sonic vs Mario is the match everybody wants, and we get it. Mario/Sonic vs Mega Man would be great and could go either way as well. Plus, we could throw in a strong four seed to shake MM up. Maybe Ganondorf?

4th has great upset potential. Samus keeps going up, and she will certainly not slow down next year. I could very well see her taking down Seph and then the winner of the 3rd divison, and then bow out to Cloud or Link in the finale.
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

5 - CaptainFlufflez

Also, may i suggest a new topic dedicated to this idea and list for now? Also I dunno if you guys want me in or not since I read more than I post in stat topics.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4- Leonhart4
5- RPGuy96
6- cyko
7- DomaDragoon
8- outback

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I can only think of two people that I would personally reject regardless.

I'm guessing Smurf and Tai.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I can only think of two people that I would personally reject regardless.

Apparently I'm one of them since I got left off the list.

...I feel so lonely.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

Also, may i suggest a new topic dedicated to this idea and list for now?

No, the whole idea is we DON'T want all of the board contributing when they won't really know what they are doing.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - MasterMage119
3 - Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
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A goblin without trolls is like Bush without pretzels - it's just no fun for the audience. -Shake

Also, may i suggest a new topic dedicated to this idea and list for now?

Please don't create a topic. We'll have a lot of clueless people signing up.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Also, may i suggest a new topic dedicated to this idea and list for now?

No, the whole idea is we DON'T want all of the board contributing when they won't really know what they are doing.


lol, exactly. we only want people who put thought into their opinions.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
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In other news, Fett0001 is my second God. Right behind lettuce Kefka. - UltimaterializerX

I was just thinking in terms of limiting posts. Maybe we should pick a secret board quickly. If you guys want me to shut up at any point just let me know, I don't want to get involved where I'm not wanted, but I think I'll have valid contributions to make.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

I'd be willing to give up the eligibility, if you'd have me. I know my fair share about GameFAQs....finished 26th in the Spring, missed three matches here.
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

I'd take you in, Flufflez. Don't worry.
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A goblin without trolls is like Bush without pretzels - it's just no fun for the audience. -Shake

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Cloud - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Link (156/160)

Is this a matter of lamers wanting in or making it a secret society for the elite group of users?

If it's the first I'd like to be in on this too, if it's the second then just shoot me.
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"IT ONLY BURNS WHEN I CLOSE MY MOUTH"

How about recognition when the contest is over? That way, you get accolades, but not the bothersome people looking for an advantage before the predictions close.

i do like that idea, Doma, especially if we weren't eligible for prizes. although, it'd just be nice to get an awesome bracket used. recognition, even when the bracket was posted would be nice, though. not necassary, but nice.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

With regards to a Fire Emblem character, I'd seriously consider taking a main from the GBA version ahead of Roy or Marth.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Is this a matter of lamers wanting in or making it a secret society for the elite group of users?

If it's the first I'd like to be in on this too, if it's the second then just shoot me.

...

Er. Niether. But just for our own perserverence, I'll say it's the second...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Well I guess I've been shot.
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"IT ONLY BURNS WHEN I CLOSE MY MOUTH"

It's more of the latter, really. We need people who REALLY know what they're talking about.
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A goblin without trolls is like Bush without pretzels - it's just no fun for the audience. -Shake

Fine fine, I understand. *grumble*no better than faboys*grumble*
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"IT ONLY BURNS WHEN I CLOSE MY MOUTH"

I'm not a stats junkie like any of you guys by any means, and I don't trust extrapoliated stats much if at all, but I'd be interested in joinin' nonetheless.

You'd have to put up with ragin' Snake fanboyism, but my opinion on just about everything else is solid. (Oooh! A pun!)

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"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

Lucky 13

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez

There are a lot of low post boards we could occupy especially never played system boards.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:38.99 || HRC 37,592.3 ||

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Fine fine, I understand. *grumble*no better than faboys*grumble*

Well you were basically begging to be flamed. Do you even understand what this sign-up list is FOR?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Fire Emblem would be either Roy or Eliwood.

If Roy got in, I'd want his baby pic from GBA Fire Emblem. So cute XD
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416

It's the number in my username, too.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I'll make it my job to find the board. It can be like hide and seek.
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"IT ONLY BURNS WHEN I CLOSE MY MOUTH"

The 1st 16th seed will be the winner of a board only Gordon/CATS match.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I'm not much of a poster in these topics, but I've read through all of them and would be willing to help out with this idea, so count me in, I guess.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
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-Creepyfish

Er. Gordon isn't really 16 seed material. And CATS and Gordon both deserve to be in really.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Harr JonPen, I signed up before j00!

Aww, who am I kidding. I can be number #666 for all I care.

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"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

"Well you were basically begging to be flamed. Do you even understand what this sign-up list is FOR?"

Yeah, it's for people who "know what they're doing" when it comes to guessing who's gonna win a match.
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"IT ONLY BURNS WHEN I CLOSE MY MOUTH"

But MasterMage, that match has so much POTENTIAL. Come on!
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

CATS and Gordon are the great traditions of the contest.


It used to be Mario > Crono...but....*cry*
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
15 - MWIS
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

50 Sam Fisher 14.94
51 Pac Man 14.47
52 Laharl 14.16
53 Lara Croft 13.82
54 Gordon Freeman 13.31
55 Terry Bogard 12.78
56 CATS 12.71
57 Luca Blight 12.06
58 Ryo Hazuki 11.63
59 Sly Cooper 11.48
60 JC Denton 11.45
61 Earthworm Jim 11.03
62 Ratchet 9.99
63 Guybrush Threepwood 9.6
64 Tanner 3.16

If you take out some fluff, Gordon could easily be a 16. Personally, I don't think either of them belong, but if we need jokes for 16 seeds, why not.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I'd keep Gordon, but not CATS.
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A goblin without trolls is like Bush without pretzels - it's just no fun for the audience. -Shake

Slowflake that's why its

A. A play-in match ala NCAA
B. For a 16th seed. It doesn't really matter
C. Registered users only can vote.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Gordon will not be 16-seed material after Half-Life 2...

I would like to see him against a lesser FF character, maybe Orlandu or Kain?
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - Team Rocket Elite

CjayC is not going to provide a privtate board for this and it would only be a matter of time before a secret board is found. If we need a message board for discussion it can't be a GameFAQs one.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

MMX has a board. If he would be okay with it....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

We just passed Samus vs. KOS-MOS for 11th all-time. Next up is Zelda-Lara.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

It could be an MSN group.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

btw - the only other potential problem i could see with us creating a bracket for Ceej would be if he really wanted to stick with the nomination system. however, if he really wanted to let people nominate characters, i think we could work around easily by tweaking our bracket at the last minute with the characters he would want us to put in and remove based on nominations.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

So we've beaten the most popular Spring Match?

=)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Gordon got hosed by Sam's horrible performance against Samus. He might not be that great, but he's better than 16. I'd see him as a 13/14 seed, and as high as a 9 pending Half-Life 2's release. Let's face it, though - GFNW.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

Even though I've never posted in these topics, I'd love to help make an ultimate bracket. I've done reasonably well in these contests (would've won a nice little gift last Spring if my overt OoT fanboyism didn't get in the way...), and have looked at these matches enough to have a few potentially good ideas. Soo...

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
15 - MWIS
16 - Mariner

Well, we could have the top 32 automatically entered based on merit. The final 32 could be decided by the nominations.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
15 - Awesome Possom
16 - Team Rocket Elite

Why would a private board be guaranteed to be out of the question? Not saying we need one, but I'm curious.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Feel free to call me MWIS.

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"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
15 - Awesome Possom
16 - Team Rocket Elite
17 - Mariner
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Actually, if Ceej was willing to let us do this, I would imagine he'd give us a private board to do it on...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I guess a private board would work, not a secret one, because I don't think that would last long before some board hunters find it.

Add me, if it's possible.
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

CATS and Gordon are the great traditions of the contest.

GFNW has become a bigger board joke than CATS recently. for all i care, CATS can take a hike. but Gordon can't be a 16 seed, because for GFNW to be funny, Gordon has to be involved in a match that it looks like he COULD win, but he won't - because GFNW.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Certainly not out of the question.

If he will take user created pictures for the final match of the contest, I don't see why he would refuse to make a private board for us.
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SC2K4 Score: 166/192 Missed: Yoshi >Luigi, Cloud >Seph/Samus
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UtarEmpire.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
15 - Awesome Possom
16 - Team Rocket Elite
17 - Mariner
18 - arkenaga
19 - King Morgoth

It would be great...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16641362

Hope everyone's included up to this point.

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
15 - Awesome Possom
16 - Team Rocket Elite
17 - Mariner
18 - Haste2
19 - arkenega

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Why would a private board be guaranteed to be out of the question? Not saying we need one, but I'm curious.

Considering hom many times CjayC has given out Private boards, it just doesn't seem very likely that we will get one. But on second thought if we somehow do get CjayC to approve this, getting a Private Board for it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Link vs Cloud 2004 has just broken 113881 votes taking 10th on the highest vote totals list. It's on pace to hit 128000 votes for 4th place on the list, just above Cloud vs Sephiroth 2003.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - JonPen1416
14 - Eternal Neo
15 - Awesome Possom
16 - Team Rocket Elite
17 - Mariner
18 - Haste2
19 - arkenega
20 - King Morgoth

There.
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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Finally, this is the match we've been waiting the entire contest to see. Cloud-Link is in the top 10. It'll be a while before it passes Tidus-Ganondorf though.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenega
22 - Janus5000
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

I think it's because of the match pics.

<_<
>_>
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Nah, it's just the power and appeal of both characters.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

1 - UltimaterializerX
2- MasterMage119
3- Mumei
4 - Leonhart4
5 - RPGuy96
6 - cyko
7 - DomaDragoon
8 - outback
9 - Slowflake
10 - fett0001
11 - Master Moltar
12 - goku z
13 - CaptainFlufflez
14 - JonPen1416
15 - Eternal Neo
16 - Awesome Possom
17 - Team Rocket Elite
18 - Mariner
19 - King Morgoth
20 - Haste2
21 - arkenaga
22 - Janus5000

There.
Everyone always gets the 2nd "a" wrong in my name. I don't know why.
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

Nah, it's just the power and appeal of both characters.

I think you'll be pleased to know that Cloud has won 3 updates in a row and will probably win this one as well. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And at least Cloud will have the most votes in a losing effort.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #17, 3-1
Next game: #3 Georgia Bulldogs (4-0)

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