Going to work, be back later, etc.

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

***Miscellaneous***

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I've observed that Ulti goes to work every Monday through Friday. Interesting.
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"video games and music dont cause violence...the little voices in our heads do" - FFR2

Tagged for future reference.
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

beh, i may make top 500... i'm currently tied for 800-something.

i guess i'm happy, but it's a bit of a drop.

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Kerry/Edwards for the 2004 Presidency!
Summer Contest Supporter of Samus. Spring Contest Score: 182 (13th).

Link (2002) ---> Clinkeroth (2003) ----> Link (2004)
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

i hope to be around #43 by tomorrow

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Lancelot BT, gawdess of the Legends and Official owner of the "Hi, my name is (user name) and I'm a (user level)." Topic ®™

Cloud will get the job done.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

* tag'd *

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September 29th, 2004: Once again, destiny(Cloud) has destroyed fate(Sephiroth).

Come on Samus. Put in a good showing and you can get 4th.

tag'd omgwtfbbq
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BtT: 3:48.46 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
I keep getting sig'd for the weirdest things lately - StW

From: RPGuy96 | Posted: 10/1/2004 12:34:21 PM | Message Detail
Link (2002) ---> Clinkeroth (2003) ----> Link (2004)

Agreed. I mentioned this same thing this morning.
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

Samus doesn't even need 40% to lock up 4th. She'd have to get around 38% or less to fall below Crono.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Tag.
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Current score 115/128 :( Next match: Link

Last call for Cloud. I can see him winning comfortably, but as others have mentioned he needs around 65% on Samus to compete with Link. But I just can't see him getting 65%.
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Actually, it's more like 62-63%. 65% against Samus would make Cloud the favorite.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I'll post this again since it was at the very end of the last topic.

To compare vote totals at the current time with Mario/Crono here's what we get:

Cloud/Samus 08:09:33 = 30921

Mario/Crono at 08:09:36 = 26016


The current match is 4905 votes ahead of Mario/Crono (96500 at the end of the match). Maybe this one could be the first match to break 100,000...
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

yay
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Summer 2004 Contest 133/144 Cloud vs. Samus

It's about time we get a 100k vote match (maybe).

And Samus is fighting to reach 42% :D
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Current score 131/144 :( Next match: Cloud. GO SAMUS!!!

Well, so much for entering the final fight on equal ground. All that can save cloud now is a good amount of SFF in Link VS. MM.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 56/62. Points: 144/152 GO SEAHAWKS
Future predictions: Cloud

Why is everyone saying Cloud is going to lose? Didnt he beat Link last year? Yeah, I thought so.
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Winner of Leebo's save the users tournament.
Chrono Cross points: 160

Last year is different from this year.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Lets hope that Samus keeps her % up. I'm banking on having Sonic finishing above MM in the rankings.

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^ Smurf The cream of Sonic Fanboyism
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

For my Clinkeroth-less bracket:

Division 1 (Mushroom Division)

1- Mario
2- Sonic
3- Ryu (SF)
4- Frog
5- Alucard
6- Bowser
7- Viewtiful Joe
8- Terra
9- Tails
10- Serge
11- Carl Johnson
12- Vincent Valentine

Division 2 (Zebes Dvision)
1- Samus
2- Snake
3- Magus
4- Auron
5- Zelda
6- Squall
7- Ness
8- Fox
9- Scorpion
10- Protoman
11- Ryu Hayabusa
12- Ken Masters

Division 3 (Epoch Division?)
1- Crono
2- Zero
3- Aeris
4- Sora
5- Shadow the Hedgehog
6- Ganondorf
7- Yoshi
8- Luigi
9- Kefka
10- Knuckles
11- Raiden
12- Donkey Kong

Division 4 (20XX Division?)
1- Mega Man
2- Master Chief
3- Tidus
4- Dante
5- Kirby
6- Liquid Snake
7- Vivi
8- Leon
9- Geno
10- Kerrigan
11- Lloyd Irving
12- Dr. Wily

Now on to 13s:
D1 ???? vs. Frog
D2 Ghaleon vs. Auron
D3 KOS-MOS vs. Sora
D4 Jak vs. Dante

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Link lost last year, but he also had not-so-liked WW pics to deal with. And this year, the new Zelda trailer caused him to increase his popularity beyond what he had in 2002.
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Current score 131/144 :( Next match: Cloud. GO SAMUS!!!

I just hope you realize, Smurf, that Sonic wouldn't beat Mega Man.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

CJay hasn't used a WW pic yet, do you really think he's going to let that happen? What a prank, hype Link up as the most likely winner and then **** him and a lot of brackets over at the end with a cel pic <_<
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Contest Winner: Link

He's not making the final picture. He's letting users create them and then he'll pick the best ones. =)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

the Samus blasting Cloud picture is so cute. ^_^
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Winner of Leebo's save the users tournament.
Chrono Cross points: 160

That doesn't eliminate the possibility that cel Link will pop up tommorow.
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Contest Winner: Link

Yes, it pretty much does. I'd like to run into the people who are using cel-shaded Link in making their picture. >>
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Cloud never lost by more than 3 digits(courtesy of Mario), and if he can barely keep 58% on Samus, Cloud is looking at a potential 5 digit loss tomorrow. Either that or Samus is that much stronger than Mega Man, which I don't buy.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Link (2002) ---> Clinkeroth (2003) ----> Link (2004)

Don't count on it. Even if Link does win, no way is he going to be in another tier from Cloud.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Still looking for some help on my bracket

13s:
D1 ???? vs. Frog
D2 Ghaleon vs. Auron
D3 KOS-MOS vs. Sora
D4 Jak vs. Dante
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

eh, go with liquid, MC, or... i dunno, Otacon?

That'd be cool.

<_<
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Give Mewtwo the final 13
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Summer 2004 Contest 133/144 Cloud vs. Samus

Don't count on it. Even if Link does win, no way is he going to be in another tier from Cloud.

Cloud isn't going to be in the equation when all is said and done.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

I want Cloud to win tomorrow just so the Xts make even less sense this year.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 141/144
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

I concur. Mewtwo should take it.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

Cloud isn't going to be in the equation when all is said and done.

Cloud is guaranteed at least 2nd place in the X-Stats, unless you seriously believe that Crono would beat Cloud. How a guaranteed 1st or 2nd place is not part of the equation is beyond me.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

13s done (with no help from you guys *glares*.
D1 Bass vs. Frog
D2 Ghaleon vs. Auron
D3 KOS-MOS vs. Sora
D4 Jak vs. Dante

14s
Ridley vs. Ryu (SF)
Diddy Kong vs. Magus
Falco vs. Aeris
Jill Valentine vs. Tidus

15s
Toad vs. Sonic
Vyse vs. Solid Snake
Duke Nukem vs. Zero
Laharl vs. Master Chief

16s
Winner of Gordon Freeman/CATS, Registered Users Only vs. Mario
Hard Man (MM3) vs. Samus
Pac-Man vs. Crono
Crash Bandicoot vs. Mega Man


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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

"Cloud is guaranteed at least 2nd place in the X-Stats, unless you seriously believe that Crono would beat Cloud. How a guaranteed 1st or 2nd place is not part of the equation is beyond me."

Cloud would never loose to Crono. Look at the Spring Contest, according to GameFAQs Final Fantasy VII>Chrono Trigger, and although in some cases Character =/= Games, c'mon.

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Current SC2K4 Score: 141/144
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

sorry, didn't see those. Mewtwo gets the final 13.

Making the bracket.

Divison 1

1) Mario
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Alucard
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Frog
13) Mewtwo

6) Bowser
11) Carl Johnson

3) Ryu (SF)
14) Ridley

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Sonic
15) Toad

Division 2

1) Samus
16) Hard Man

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Auron
13) KOS-MOS

5) Zelda
12) Ken Masters

6) Squall
11) Squall

3) Magus
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

2) Solid Snake
15) Vyse

Division 3

1) Crono
16) Pac-Man

8) Luigi
9) Kefka

4) Sora
13) Ghaleon

5) Shadow the Hedgehog
12)Donkey Kong

6) Ganondorf
11) Raiden

3) Aeris
14) Falco

7) Yoshi
10) Knuckles

2) Zero
15) Duke Nukem

Division 4

1) Mega Man
16) Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno

5) Kirby
12) Dr. Wily

4) Dante
13) Jak

6) Liquid Snake
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Tidus
14) Jill Valentine

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Master Chief
15) Laharl


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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Cloud is guaranteed at least 2nd place in the X-Stats, unless you seriously believe that Crono would beat Cloud. How a guaranteed 1st or 2nd place is not part of the equation is beyond me.

Cloud won't come close to beating Link. That's why.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Cloud would never loose to Crono. Look at the Spring Contest, according to GameFAQs Final Fantasy VII>Chrono Trigger, and although in some cases Character =/= Games, c'mon.

I most certainly agree. I was saying that unless Crono could beat Cloud, Cloud was guaranteed second or first in the X-Stats.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I'm just pissed that my bracket, with only three mistakes going into the final match, will end up waaaay down in the standings (assuming Link wins).
Quick, someone actually MAKE a third-place picture and e-mail it to CJayC!
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
{34}

Cloud won't come close to beating Link. That's why.

I shall have to see that to believe it.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Don't count on it. Even if Link does win, no way is he going to be in another tier from Cloud.

Yes, but I think this is ther last year of the "Clinkeroth". Link and Cloud are clearly in another tier from Sephiroth, IMO.
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"Samba is the father of pleasure,
samba is the child of pain"

I shall have to see that to believe it.

Don't be shocked to see such results. I'll also say that being guaranteed second doesn't mean your entered into the little equation. The closest person to Link in 2002 was Sephiroth at 43%.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Well, as of right now I would call Link the solid favorite. If Cloud gets this to over 60% I would call Link the coin toss favorite. And if by some act of God Cloud gains 5% throughout the day... I would call Cloud the coin flip favorite. Needless to say, things are not looking excessively bright for the airplane-wing blade wielding headcase, but it may all depend on whether or not we see WW-Link vs. KH-Cloud in enough pictures tomorrow =)
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Link and Cloud are clearly in another tier from Sephiroth, IMO.

Assuming Cloud wins this year, then I'd like to see a Link vs Sephiroth match next year. I have a hard time believing someone would vote Link over Sephiroth and Cloud over Link.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Link gets 53% at the most, and I doubt he gets that much. Win or lose, Cloud is still in the equation.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I'm just pissed that my bracket, with only three mistakes going into the final match, will end up waaaay down in the standings (assuming Link wins).

Same here. >=(
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

I see 53% at the least myself. Cloud will never challenge Link tomorrow.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Don't be shocked to see such results.

Believe me, I do not expect anything other then a close match.

I'll also say that being guaranteed second doesn't mean your entered into the little equation. The closest person to Link in 2002 was Sephiroth at 43%.

And Sephiroth got to the finals last year. Obviously second place is still of considerable importance in tiers.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Well Cloud just gained .1% in about 15 minutes, so that is a start...come on Cloud!
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SC2k4: 124/128 Rank: T-66

And Sephiroth got to the finals last year. Obviously second place is still of considerable importance in tiers.

I hope you would realize why both he and Cloud got to the finals last year as opposed to 2002.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Well Cloud just gained .1% in about 15 minutes, so that is a start...come on Cloud!

Samus has been going between 41.85% and 41.7% all morning.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

I hope you would realize why both he and Cloud got to the finals last year as opposed to 2002.

If your going to talk KH factor, I'll bring up FFVII itself. Would so many people have picked it to win SpC2k4 if there hadn't been a Cloud/Sephiroth finals? KH factor may have helped, but FFVII is a monster in and of itself, obviously. Games=/= characters, but you brought up KH (I think), so I used another game as well.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Look, forget Mega Man yesterday because that's irrelevant.

Samus vs. Crono- Who wins and by how much?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Samus vs. Crono- Who wins and by how much?

Frog by 7 votes.
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If life gives you lemons... just say thanks and read them! (^^)
Clair - WINNER of the 'Save my Pokemon girl!' Tournament

If your going to talk KH factor, I'll bring up FFVII itself.

They are one in the same really. The people who played KH got to see Link, Sephiroth, and Squall (three older Final Fantasy 7 heroes/villains), got interested in them, and then went to figure out more about them. Basically, the whole KHF is that people saw these characters and went to go play their game.

Would so many people have picked it to win SpC2k4 if there hadn't been a Cloud/Sephiroth finals?

I don't see why they wouldn't. It's not like they look at past results and base them off that all the time. Cloud won last year, Final Fantasy 7 won in the spring, yet Link is dominating in bracket percentage and even won a poll asking "What #1 seed has the best chance of winning?"


KH factor may have helped, but FFVII is a monster in and of itself, obviously. Games=/= characters, but you brought up KH (I think), so I used another game as well.

May have helped? I'd call you crazy for thinking it didn't help. What other reason do Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall have to drastically go up?
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

The people who played KH got to see Link, Sephiroth, and Squall (three older Final Fantasy 7 heroes/villains)

...When did Link and Squall become FFVII heroes?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Look, forget Mega Man yesterday because that's irrelevant.

No, it's really not. He has and did not go down this year, so that at least would leave him at a constant. He's shown signs of going up throughout the contest, but even leaving him constant has Link increasing. When you DOUBLE Mega Man it's very relevant.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

...When did Link and Squall become FFVII heroes?

I meant Cloud, and I didn't mean to add the "7".
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

They are one in the same really. The people who played KH got to see Link, Sephiroth, and Squall (three older Final Fantasy 7 heroes/villains), got interested in them, and then went to figure out more about them. Basically, the whole KHF is that people saw these characters and went to go play their game.

Let's look at FFVI. It did very well in SpC2k4. It had no help from the KH factor at all, and plenty of people played it. If that many people had played it, then I'm sure even more had already played FFVII - FFX.

I don't see why they wouldn't. It's not like they look at past results and base them off that all the time. Cloud won last year, Final Fantasy 7 won in the spring, yet Link is dominating in bracket percentage and even won a poll asking "What #1 seed has the best chance of winning?"

Because FFVII is a monster here. It's main characters are more then capable of pulling in votes without some side game.

May have helped? I'd call you crazy for thinking it didn't help. What other reason do Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall have to drastically go up?

Crono did and he had no KH factor. Kefka probably did too. I say more exposure to people here, even without KH.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

They are one in the same really. The people who played KH got to see Link, Sephiroth, and Squall

ROFL
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

No, it's really not. He has and did not go down this year, so that at least would leave him at a constant. He's shown signs of going up throughout the contest, but even leaving him constant has Link increasing. When you DOUBLE Mega Man it's very relevant.

Of course, he fell down to Sonic's 2003 level as well, when Cloud doubled him.

If Mega Man stayed constant and Link went up THAT much, that means that both Mario and Crono increased significantly.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Let's look at FFVI. It did very well in SpC2k4. It had no help from the KH factor at all, and plenty of people played it. If that many people had played it, then I'm sure even more had already played FFVII - FFX.

...a lot of older games did well and had no help from KH. That doesn't change anything about KHF... at all.

Because FFVII is a monster here. It's main characters are more then capable of pulling in votes without some side game.

Then what the hell were they doing in 2002? Just taking a break. <<


Crono did and he had no KH factor. Kefka probably did too. I say more exposure to people here, even without KH.

Crono did what? Increased. Oh yeah! A whomping 0.71% from 2002 to 2003. Wow he's really got something going for him there. I have no idea why in the world you are arguing that Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall all jumped drastically for no other reason than FF7 is a monster.

...yeah, right.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

HM is really bitter today, for some reason.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

HM is bitter because Megaman has officially been eliminated.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Of course, he fell down to Sonic's 2003 level as well, when Cloud doubled him.

Mega Man fell down to Sonic's 2003 value? So every other character Mega Man faced just suddenly took some unexplained drop as well. Right.

If Mega Man stayed constant and Link went up THAT much, that means that both Mario and Crono increased significantly.

What reason does Mega Man, and all of his opponents, have to go down? I fail to see how in the world that's believable.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

What reason does Mega Man, and all of his opponents, have to go down? I fail to see how in the world that's believable.

Yes, because EVERYONE who was in the West Division in 2002 had absolutely perfect reasons to decrease.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

...a lot of older games did well and had no help from KH. That doesn't change anything about KHF... at all.

Sure it does. FF games that were not helped by KH are still more then capable of holding their own. They don't need it to look very good, and neither does Cloud/Sephiroth. KH did help, but they were strong enough.

Crono did what? Increased. Oh yeah! A whomping 0.71% from 2002 to 2003. Wow he's really got something going for him there.

He beat Mario with 53 percent when he lost last year. I call that an increase.

I have no idea why in the world you are arguing that Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall all jumped drastically for no other reason than FF7 is a monster.

I'm not saying that KH didn't help, I'm just saying that you can't discredit Sephiroth's second in the X-Stats in 2k2 completely. KH gave him the boost to win, yeah. But he still had massive strength from FFVII and KH just pushed him over the top.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Has anyone posted the Extrapolated standings for the top half of the bracket yet?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Sure it does. FF games that were not helped by KH are still more then capable of holding their own. They don't need it to look very good, and neither does Cloud/Sephiroth. KH did help, but they were strong enough.

Strong enough not to come close to Link? Correct. Strong enough to beat the majority of the field? Yes. Close to as strong as 2003? Good Lord no. That's what I'm arguing, had they not recieved that boost from 2002-2003 they wouldn't have come close to touching Link last year.

He beat Mario with 53 percent when he lost last year. I call that an increase.

This year? It's either Crono increasing or Mario decreasing. Although this time I'll give the fact that it'd be more a more significant increase for Crono than last year.


I'm not saying that KH didn't help, I'm just saying that you can't discredit Sephiroth's second in the X-Stats in 2k2 completely.

He gained rougly ~6% from KH last year. Had he not had that he wouldn't have come close to Link as what the X-sts had him at. Even with them Link still was ahead of Sephiroth, although by an incredibly small amount.

KH gave him the boost to win, yeah. But he still had massive strength from FFVII and KH just pushed him over the top.

I never said they were weak characters, but I did say that without KH they wouldn't have been able to touch Link. I thought you were arguing that KH wasn't the reason for this.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Yes, because EVERYONE who was in the West Division in 2002 had absolutely perfect reasons to decrease.

It's easier, for me, to believe that Link increased quite an amount than everyone suddenly dropping off from Mega Man's division. I'll just say that the match we saw yesterday was very relevant to what will be happening tomorrow. Link should be in complete control at all times.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

I never said they were weak characters, but I did say that without KH they wouldn't have been able to touch Link. I thought you were arguing that KH wasn't the reason for this.

I'm arguing that Sephiroth's second in the X-Stats means more then you give it credit for. Sephiroth is still a beast, and even if he can't beat Link without KH he could still dominate everything other then Clink.

He gained rougly ~6% from KH last year. Had he not had that he wouldn't have come close to Link as what the X-sts had him at. Even with them Link still was ahead of Sephiroth, although by an incredibly small amount.

That made me realize something. Did you notice for the first contest the two highest in the X-Stats are going to meet in the finals? Link vs Sephiroth, Cloud vs Link and FFVII vs OoT never were the last match. v_v

Looks like Ceej didn't totally fail at bracket making.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Again, I ask: Samus vs. Crono- Who wins and by how much?

Also, based on current values...If Samus's performance holds up and Link's performance against Mega Man was his true strength...Crono would be expected to beat Mega Man with 56.44%. Considering the fact that he would lose to him last year, that's either a significant increase for Crono, a significant decrease for Mega Man, or a little bit of both.

Also, Mario beats Mega Man with 53.42%, and Sonic beats him with 51.53%. Hmmm....Explain a constant Mega Man to me now.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Again, I ask: Samus vs. Crono- Who wins and by how much?

Admittedly I'd take Crono with the upset due to fanboyism, but Samus would likely win. Especially since MP2 will help her a lot. I'd say Samus with 52.75%.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I mean, if the match is held tomorrow...Who wins?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Meh, same.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Considering the fact that he would lose to him last year, that's either a significant increase for Crono, a significant decrease for Mega Man, or a little bit of both.

Then how would you explain MM vs. tidus?
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"Samba is the father of pleasure,
samba is the child of pain"

Samus would probably win. Unless Link destroys Cloud tomorrow.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Oh, and the 52-53 was for a pre-MP 2 Samus. Post MP 2, I'd say Samus with 57%.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

"Would so many people have picked it to win SpC2k4 if there hadn't been a Cloud/Sephiroth finals?"

Yes.

"Let's look at FFVI. It did very well in SpC2k4. It had no help from the KH factor at all,"

It's a classic game, it's the second strongest game in the series. Of course it did well.

"If that many people had played it, then I'm sure even more had already played FFVII - FFX."

Of course, but did they like it? More importantly, did they like it more? Did KH help them to like it more?

"Because FFVII is a monster here."

That's all that really matters here. FF7 itself is a monster here.

"Crono did and he had no KH factor."

He had the SpC factor!

"Kefka probably did too."

We know he got SFF last year, so we have no idea how his actually popularity has shifted in the last three years, if at all.

"I say more exposure to people here, even without KH. "

I'd agree, but not when it comes to Cloud. We already know something else very fishy happened.

"Then what the hell were they doing in 2002? Just taking a break."

Cloud barely lost to the icon of gaming. Seph wasn't beaten all that badly by the icon's best friend. They by no means failed to perform well, with the exception of Cloud having a match on the day Mario had a new game.

"Crono did what? Increased. Oh yeah! A whomping 0.71% from 2002 to 2003."

Except that we already know that Crono actually gained more than that, as there were several thousand cheat votes that weren't removed to him. He increased more like 2-3%, at least.

"Yes, because EVERYONE who was in the West Division in 2002 had absolutely perfect reasons to decrease."

Perhaps Link did over perform. That pic of him standing over Mega showed up more for me than the other one. I mean, hell, WDFs must exist and Pics have huge effects... or weird things happen and sometimes fall into coincidences. Who the hell knows right now. Let's wait til tomorrow before we start saying one character fell or rose or whatever.


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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I can't. I'm trying to say that Mega Man's performances have been too inconsistent this year to conclusively say anything. You just added to that.

Also, Sonic now beats Zero with 54.74% and Magus with 52.4%. Beautiful.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Also, Sonic now beats Zero with 54.74% and Magus with 52.4%. Beautiful.

So you people know the x-stats for the Hyrule and 20XX but won't share?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

They've been posted in previous topics, but also thanks to RPGuy's program, it's not too hard to figure out.

If Samus's performance in the Elite Eight was against a static Sonic, Cloud would break 60%.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Would so many people have picked FFVII to win SpC2k4? Yes.

40%? Really?

He had the SpC factor!

So did Cloud. And even stronger then Crono did.

We know he got SFF last year, so we have no idea how his actually popularity has shifted in the last three years, if at all.

Hence me saying "probably". I hate working around Kefka. He's annoying to examine because Pac Man actually did worse, not better.

I'd agree, but not when it comes to Cloud. We already know something else very fishy happened.

I'v heard you say this before, but I didn't understand you. Care to explain?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

They've been posted in previous topics, but also thanks to RPGuy's program, it's not too hard to figure out.

How can they have been posted when Link/Megaman was yesterday? And my computer refuses to run RPGuy's program.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Well, they were rough guestimates based on the percentages at the time, as would be the lower half of the bracket right now.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Looks like this match is on track to break 100,000 votes...took long enough. ~_~
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

"Would so many people have picked FFVII to win SpC2k4? Yes.

40%? Really?"

Only if 40% were intelligent. I think the majority of those people weren't going off of 2k3 results, though.

"So did Cloud. And even stronger then Crono did. "

No, not stronger than Cloud. Crono indirectly beat an opoonent he never before. And, FF7 is well known on this site, I'd be willing to be for every person that knew about CT last year there were 2 that knew about FF7. FF7 can't increase much in awareness, CT still has room to improve.

"Care to explain?"

The main point, SMS came out on the day of their match. It obviously helped Mario out more than PGC.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Don't try to argue SFF in yesterday's match because it's impossible for the majority of the voters to like both because they're from different companies and different genres. Thus, nobody plays both. Only one or the other.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

let's put it this way Cloud's matches we have him performing like he did last year, but in Link's matches he has overperformed in them.
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Summer 2004 Contest 133/144 Cloud vs. Samus

I see 53% at the least myself. Cloud will never challenge Link tomorrow.

So, its not possible that Mega Man dropped? What about SFF, cause there's obviously SOME in a match between Link and Mega Man.

No, a victory over SAMUS FREAKIN ARAN is much more impressive than Link, who is Nintendo's most popular character (arguably) and quite possibly the most liked character in the Nintendo Franchise, beating Mega Man, who is definitely an easier opponent than Mega Man. The only other Nintendo character I can see challenging Link in being the most liked is Samus, and she's getting beat pretty well by Cloud right now.

No, tomorrow's match is still up in the air guys.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 117 of 120
Today: Samus Aran. Tomorrow: Link.

I have a question.
What was the expecting percent for this match??

Also, I think that Samus could win from 53-53.75% Vs. Crono. I'd like to see this match...afterall.
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I actually thought Ryu would beat Sora......*pees in own butt*
Supporter of Samus in SC2k4!

Today's match is way ahead of Mario-Crono's pace right now. It's on pace for 100,000 votes easily, though Mario-Crono started off very slowly.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Only if 40% were intelligent. I think the majority of those people weren't going off of 2k3 results, though.

I'm just speculating that if Link had won SC3k3 as easily as 2k2, then maybe OoT would have had a lot more bracket support then FFVII. Maybe not.

No, not stronger than Cloud. Crono indirectly beat an opoonent he never before. And, FF7 is well known on this site, I'd be willing to be for every person that knew about CT last year there were 2 that knew about FF7. FF7 can't increase much in awareness, CT still has room to improve.

Fair enough. Cloud does look slightly better, but that's only due to SFF on Squall and possibly Sephiroth.

The main point, SMS came out on the day of their match. It obviously helped Mario out more than PGC.

Ok thanks. I agree SMS did help a good amount, because most people who bought it had already played another Mario game and the new one made them love him again. For Metroid Prime, or FFX, the characters in them take longer to have an effect since Auron/Tidus had not had any other games before and Samus hadn't had one since SNES (I think).

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Slowflake, when you made your bracket, did you forget about this:

From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/1/2003 3:53:30 AM | Message Detail
KA-BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG!!! Multiply this by 17571 and you'll have a pretty good idea of what's going on. That means it's over for me... it was good while it lasted. And now, we can call Cloud Strife as the winner of the 2003 AND 2004 Summer Contests.

How could you forget about The Slowflake Factor?!

^_~
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Voter turnout seems to be through the roof on this one, but maybe I am off. Is this ahead of the previous high turnout match (96,500 I think)?
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SC2k4: 124/128 Rank: T-66

I think Link will win, but don't count Cloud out yet please... there's more than meets the eye about Link's win yesterday.
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It's.... over.

Mario vs. Crono is actually a bad match to go by for early on - it didn't start off too fast. Compared to Cloud's last match:

Cloud vs. Sephiroth
"Updates Left: 53
Total Votes so far: 35920"

Cloud vs. Samus
"Updates Left: 53
Total Votes so far: 49552"

Goddamn. Most matches don't make it to 50,000 until after the 12 hour mark....


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, if Cloud's match can break 100,000 today easily, the Cloud vs. Link ought to be very high.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

2004 Rankings

Link - 50.00%
Crono - 37.18%
Mario - 34.77%
Mega Man - 32.39%
Zero - 28.50%
Solid Snake - 27.73%
Frog - 26.96%
Master Chief - 26.96%
Liquid Snake - 26.94%
Tidus - 22.82%
Magus - 22.47%
Shadow - 22.45%
Knuckles - 22.44%
Tommy Vercetti - 21.75%
Bowser - 20.41%
Kefka - 19.09%
Yoshi - 18.26%
Luigi - 16.62%
Max - 16.54%
Conker - 16.37%
Protoman - 16.12%
Crash - 15.79%
CATS - 12.17%
Ganondorf - 12.10%
JC Denton - 11.44%
Earthworm Jim - 11.03%
Pac-Man - 10.73%
Alucard - 10.37%
Ryo - 8.62%
Luca - 8.52%
Guybrush - 6.94%
Tanner - 3.16%

I think we can safely say that Link has gone up, but I think if were going to compare 2k3 to 2k4 we would have to use Cloud since it looks like he hasn't gone up or down.
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Summer 2004 Contest 133/144 Cloud vs. Samus

What's this? Cloud drawing in the extra support later in the contest... I hope Link is prepared next round with the Master Sword and the Mirror Shield, because Mr. Strife is going to be bringing the support of the most powerful force on this site... FF 7.
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It's.... over.

Heh... and everyone knows the GameFAQs world revolves around FFVII. I fully expect a barnburner with Halo/Starcraft-like voter turnout. Except without all the cheating.
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SC2k4: 124/128 Rank: T-66

No, there will be cheating aplenty when Nintendo's #1 faces Square's #1 tomorrow. That's part of the reason the vote totals will skyrocket.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Wow. This could hit 110,000.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

I'm sorry, I can't help but be excited for this... I think this is the first time we'll have a CLOSE finale.
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It's.... over.

There will be plenty of vote-stuffing tomorrow, and when you add that to the numbers Link has alredy put up this contest, he can easily win tomorrow's match at a 54-46 clip.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Since people want to compare to Mario vs. Crono:

Mario vs. Crono
"Updates Left: 52
Total Votes so far: 38345"

Cloud vs. Samus
"Updates Left: 52
Total Votes so far: 51281"


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I imagine that there'll be inflated vote totals tomorrow, due to the stakes being high, it being the final match, and cheaters not wanting to miss out on 32 points.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I would think the Starcraft faithful would be more likely to cheat in mass amounts (given that it is a computer game, and I assume most would have good working knowledge of computers), but yes, I guess mass cheating tomorrow would only make sense. What are we thinking for a voting ceiling? 110,000? More?
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SC2k4: 124/128 Rank: T-66

Well, we're back to the normal 'Popular Characters that win every year'...

Tidus vs. Shadow didn't break 50,000 until about the 11:45 mark... This is going much faster than even that...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Where the extrapolated standings would put the Hyrule and 20XX competitors in a 32 man bracket.

North
(1)Link vs (8)Tanner
(5)Yoshi vs (4)Kefka
(6)Ganondorf vs (3)Liquid Snake
(7)JC Denton vs (2)Master Chief

East
(1)Megaman vs (8)Ryo Hazuki
(5)Conker vs (4)Knuckles
(6)Protoman vs (3)Shadow
(7)Alucard vs (2)Zero

South
(1)Mario vs (8)Luca Blight
(5)Max Payne vs (4)Tommy Vercetti
(6)Crash Bandicoot vs (3)Magus
(7)Pac-Man vs (2)Solid Snake

West
(1)Crono vs (8)Guybrush Threepwood
(5)Luigi vs (4)Bowser
(6)CATS vs (3)Tidus
(7)Earthworm Jim vs (2)Frog
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

What... now people are expecting Cloud to be a match for Link? He's doing like expected against Samus, while Link exceeded them in every single match of his. Cloud could only do that vs. Squall and Sephiroth. Outside of FF, we're seeing the same Cloud as last year. Link is a monster this year, and ever Cloud may look like LinkFodder when all is said and done. I won't be overly surprised if this ends up 55-45. I predict Cloud will NEVER take the lead in that match.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Ah, I knew I could count on the curse.

Seriously though, Samus vs. Crono- Who wins and by how much?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I predict Cloud will NEVER take the lead in that match.

Duh. You declared Cloud the winner of the 2004 contest back in 2003. You cursed him! =)

*points to first post in this page*

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

There's never been any curse, it's just a mere coincidence. Nothing more.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Of course there's no curse. We all know that. It's all in fun.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Perhaps if I said "Discuss" on my x-stats bracket post, it would've gotten replies...
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I just wonder how it managed to work for this long. ;)

Seriously, some people's attention spans make me want to stab myself in the face. Cloud will have an easier time teaching field mice to sing O Canada while juggling naked than contending with Link tomorrow.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Well, Cloud IS a jack of all trades. He's got a wide range of talents. That's why he's a mercenary.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Sorry swirldude... I'm bad at bracket discussion, though.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Then don't discuss, just say OMG Vercetti and Max Payne II?!?!?!?!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Noble Nine 2004

Link 50.00%
Cloud 47.05%
Sephiroth 41.40%
Samus 39.19%
Crono 37.18%
Mario 34.77%
Sonic 33.31%
Mega Man 32.39%
Snake 27.73%
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SC2K4 Score: 120/128
Today's Pick: Link

I've been holding off on bracket discussion until after the contest is over, more or less.

Looks like today will be the first match to break 100,000 votes, and it should do it with ease.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Snake 27.73%

I've been of the less vocal opinion that Snake is the weakest of the Noble Nine since last year, and now we have proof. He must be dropped.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

"Sonic 33.31%
Mega Man 32.39%"

You fail.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I'm arguing that Sephiroth's second in the X-Stats means more then you give it credit for.

I gave him plenty of credit. You'll notice I'm not taking away from Sephiroth's performance in comparison to other characaters, I'm just basing it off of Link. He could not touch Link, trying to argue that is stupid. The entire argument is that by the end of the contest we'll see:

Link (2002) -> Clinkeroth (2003) -> Link (2004)


You wanted to argue that Cloud should be included in 2004, and I greatly disagreed. He will not be in the "equation" this year. He'll never challenge Link tomorrow.

Sephiroth is still a beast, and even if he can't beat Link without KH he could still dominate everything other then Clink.

I was talking purely about 2002. Don't bring other years into this, because he couldn't "dominate" anyone other than "Clink". He was dead even with a good number of people in 2002.

That made me realize something. Did you notice for the first contest the two highest in the X-Stats are going to meet in the finals? Link vs Sephiroth, Cloud vs Link and FFVII vs OoT never were the last match. v_v

Heh. I never noticed that.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Noble Nine 2004

Link 50.00%
Cloud 47.05%
Sephiroth 41.40%
Samus 39.19%
Crono 37.18%
Mario 34.77%
Sonic 33.31%
Mega Man 32.39%
Snake 27.73%


So if Cloud makes it really close, or wins, Sonic will be above Mario?
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

This match is only increasing its lead over Mario vs. Crono:

11:30 | Cloud | 31770 | +0866 | 58.30% | Samus | 22722 | +0672 | 41.70% | Lead of 9048 | (Up 194)

11:30 | Mario | 21514 | +0607 | 53.08% | Crono | 19020 | +0554 | 46.92% | Lead of 2494 | (Up 53)

Cloud is getting more votes per update than Crono was and Samus is getting more votes per update than Mario was. The fact that it is on the weekend might have something to do with that (Mario vs. Crono was on a Monday), but not that much of a difference...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This is ridiculous, maybe everyone is just voting now instead of later?

GO LINK!!!!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 142/144 Rank: 8th

Cloud barely lost to the icon of gaming. Seph wasn't beaten all that badly by the icon's best friend. They by no means failed to perform well, with the exception of Cloud having a match on the day Mario had a new game.

You two are missing my point entirely. I don't care of Cloud and Sephiroth did well against everyone else, I am speaking entirely on behalf of what they would do to Link. No one else, just Link. Cloud and Sephiroth both could do absolutely nothing to Link without getting KH. That was my entire point.

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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Urg, just one second off there HM, heh.

GO LINK!!!!

HM you say Link will completely smash Cloud tomorrow right?
I pray you are 100% correct there man.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 142/144 Rank: 8th

Those stats were assuming Link wins with 52.95% and Cloud beats Samus with 58.35%. By the looks of it, Sonic will definitely outrank Mega Man.
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SC2K4 Score: 136/144
Today's Pick: Cloud

So, its not possible that Mega Man dropped? What about SFF, cause there's obviously SOME in a match between Link and Mega Man.

Seriously, there was minimal, if any, SFF in Link/Mario/Samus yet there is something of significance in Link/Mega Man? Whoever decided to bring up the idea of SFF in that match was totally insane and looking for something to try to undermine Link's performance.



No, tomorrow's match is still up in the air guys.

It's a cakewalk for Link.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

HM you say Link will completely smash Cloud tomorrow right?

Yes. I think anyone who thinks Cloud has a shot tomorrow is just hanging onto false hope.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Sorry to just bust in here all random like, but what was the nomination like for the Spring Contest last year? I know you could only nom a single game for each system, but for how many systems?

I figure I'll be nominating less mainstream but still recognizable games like Castlevania IV and Samurai Showdown 2 and GGX2 and the like.
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Stop taking all my money, PacMan! --RoG

Any system.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 10/2/2004 2:43:13 PM | Message Detail
HM you say Link will completely smash Cloud tomorrow right?

Yes. I think anyone who thinks Cloud has a shot tomorrow is just hanging onto false hope.

No offense bro and I think you're cool and all, but you are like the KING of false hope. MM over Link? Sorry I think you're gonna jinx Link vs Cloud. Cloud proved his worth last year, don't count him out. Link is pwning though so far.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 142/144 Rank: 8th

False hope would have been me thinking Mega Man was going to beat Link after the performance against Solid Snake. After that match I knew Mega Man wasn't going to win.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Ok then.... perhaps you are 100% right then.

GO LINK!!!!!!!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 142/144 Rank: 8th

HMs support of MM was completely justified before the contest started and there's nothing wrong with optimism. I respect HM for that. His predictions always seem more like "hopes," but there's nothing wrong with hoping for the extreme scenario.

Anyway, is Cloud/Samus slowing down, or is that just me?

And this contest has been so weird with bracket voting, etc., that I think Links support there will bring him over Cloud. I don't count Cloud out, and I'd love my bracket to make top100 if he wins, but it simply looks like Link could run away and not even make the final fun.
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

Anyway, is Cloud/Samus slowing down, or is that just me?

10:45 | Cloud | 28881 | +0881 | 58.28% | Samus | 20671 | +0667 | 41.72% | Lead of 8210 | (Up 214)
11:00 | Cloud | 29911 | +1030 | 58.33% | Samus | 21370 | +0699 | 41.67% | Lead of 8541 | (Up 331)
11:15 | Cloud | 30904 | +0993 | 58.36% | Samus | 22050 | +0680 | 41.64% | Lead of 8854 | (Up 313)
11:30 | Cloud | 31770 | +0866 | 58.30% | Samus | 22722 | +0672 | 41.70% | Lead of 9048 | (Up 194)
11:45 | Cloud | 32670 | +0900 | 58.37% | Samus | 23304 | +0582 | 41.63% | Lead of 9366 | (Up 318)

Maybe a little bit? I think we should wait a bit longer, though.
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Whoever decided to bring up the idea of SFF in that match was totally insane and looking for something to try to undermine Link's performance.

Either that or Mega Man dropped. All of a sudden he goes from 4th to 8th in the rankings. He would get beat handily by Crono, convincingly by Mario, and would even lose to Sonic by these projections. If we went to a Super Seven, the Blue Bomber wouldn't be included with these numbers.
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May I see the Guru rankings? I'm prepared to change my sig.
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The Contest Guru Scoreboard

1st ps2rulezzz 142
2nd Hogasm 142
3rd nifboy 142
4th Ngamer 141
5th red sox 141
6th ChichiriMuyo 141
7th BeTheMan 141
8th King Morgoth 141
9th cavedog 141
10th Fantusta 140
11th UltimaterializerX 140
12th KrustytheKlown 140
13th tnote 140
14th FrostHarpy 140
15th franmars 140
16th Ct. Roy Falcon 140
17th Cavemanbob 140
18th TheRye 139
19th ExquisiteSamurai 139
20th TeamRocketElite 139
21st Salient 139
22nd Aprosenf 139
23rd RamzaB 138
24th Riazar 138
25th Alanna 138
26th Qwaar 138
27th Mac Arrowny 137
28th Steinershocker 137
29th HaRRicH 137
30th Vietboizz 137
31st Sir Chris 137
32nd Bananaquest 136
33rd arkenaga 136
34th Haunter 136
35th Tai 136
36th cyko 136
37th steve illumina 135
38th Yesmar 135
39th fett 135
40th swirldude 135
41st Bocase 135
42nd FastFalcon 135
43rd MasterMage 134
44th TyRaNuS 134
45th Ringworm 134
46th irriadin 133
47th charmander 133
48th WiggumFan 133
49th Haste2 132
50th Garsha 132
51st MMXcalibur 131
52nd andaca 131
53rd yoblazer 131
54th DaruniaTheKing 130
55th Smurf Thy Legend 129
56th jonthomson 128
57th YokeI 127
58th Lt. Kettch 126
59th Rufus Shinra 126
60th perdevious 125
61st Dilated Chemist 124
62nd Heroic Mario 121
63rd ChibiKuririn 119
64th DomaDragoon 116
65th Z1mZum 114
66th Tarrot 113
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318? Jesus.
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318? Jesus.

Sorry, but I'm a bit confused...
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Sorry, but I'm a bit confused...

Cloud's gain in that last update.
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11:00 | Cloud | 29911 | +1030 | 58.33% | Samus | 21370 | +0699 | 41.67% | Lead of 8541 | (Up 331)

I was more impressed by this.
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Cloud's gain in that last update.

I knew that.

>_> <_<
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Difference Between Cloud vs. Samus and Mario vs. Crono on Update:

Update 51 - 13,581
Update 49 - 14,197
Update 47 - 14,710
Update 45 - 14,223

Mario vs. Crono has started to catch up some, since this is a little bit after when the after-school voting would've started on Monday.
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Yeah, Mario-Crono started off very slowly, but Cloud-Samus is still ahead by a good bit.
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Can I just add that there should be no more "Noble Nine" after this.... There is no "weakest of the bunch" and the like because it looks like all characters not named Link, Sephiroth, and Cloud will fluctuate in ranking based on who exactly they are up against. And to add to that, Zero is a very strong character sitting right underneath them. In fact, I think Zero applies the "Noble Nine qualities" as well. I don't think anyone other than the current Noble Nine could beat Zero. Not even Magus.

Second, I want to clear up all this SFF talk that came up recently. My emphasis is that the fanbase for the RPG characters, especially Square RPG characters, on THIS site seem to be somewhat different from the fanbases of other characters. This is why Magus, Crono, Sephiroth, and Cloud put up good showings against Link with respect to other characters. As the stats suggested last year, I believe that Magus did better against Link than Sonic would have. But that doesn't mean that Magus could beat Sonic. Crono did better than Mega Man, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Crono would beat Mega Man. That was what I was trying to get at with the Link/Mega Man SFF. That SFF is in RELATION to Link going up against a Square character. And if that isn't a good enough explanation, take a look at this:

13 of the top 15 highest vote totals for matches in this contest involve a Square character.

And the two matches that didn't have a Square character both involved Link. If this isn't proof of RPG characters having a different fanbase, and thus the other characters sharing more of a fanbase COMPARED to the RPG characters, then I give up....
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I've done some calculations, and under the assumptions that Snake and Sonic stayed the same (which is reasonable, and if they did drop a little bit, then they probably dropped by comparable amounts) and that Cloud-Samus ends at 58.46% (which it won't, but the difference likely won't be too big), Link is predicted to get about 54.3% on Cloud. Ouchies.
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Link beat Mega Man by 9% worse than Cloud is beating Samus. Ouch.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16643155

I'm keeping track of updates, if anyone cares. It is close to 70,000 already. O_o
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So first people said Cloud had to beat Samus by 62-64%. Now some people are saying the vote totals are speaking for themself.

Seems like people are making up any excuse for Cloud to still have a chance.

Crono is a better gauge of Link's strength against Cloud than Mega Man is.
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And Link overperformed againist Crono too.

Awesome.
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So first people said Cloud had to beat Samus by 62-64%. Now some people are saying the vote totals are speaking for themself.

Hmm? No, I'm just happy with the high vote totals. I want Link to win tomorrow. =)
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But not by nearly as much as he did on Mega Man. Who would you take in a Samus-Crono matchup, and what would you predict the percentage to be?
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But not by nearly as much as he did on Mega Man.

So he's improved to 55 to 60% on himself, and probably in the lower end of that. Has Cloud improved, though?


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Samus and Crono? Samus by a little under a percent.

How does Link improve by 5% between matches? Again, Mega Man has proven to be too inconsistent to tell anything definite from him. I'd consider Crono to be a better measuring stick.
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And even by Crono's standards, Link wins by a cushy margin.

I'd consider Crono to be a better measuring stick.

Okay, so he's improved to 55% on himself. I still don't see how Cloud is going to win tomorrow. =/
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I still don't see how Cloud is going to win tomorrow. =/

Kao Megura
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Kao Megura

Speaking of him, I actually looked at his guide for FFVII... If nothing else, he was thorough as hell. O.o

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Speaking of him, I actually looked at his guide for FFVII... If nothing else, he was thorough as hell. O.o

Why do I feel like I've read that exact statement before? O_O'
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Why do I feel like I've read that exact statement before? O_O'

Maybe I've said it before? I kind of felt like I had said that before as I was typing it. O.o
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I posted this earlier and here it is again. My SC2k5 without Clinkeroth bracket.

Divison 1

1) Mario
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Alucard
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Frog
13) Bass

6) Bowser
11) Carl Johnson

3) Ryu (SF)
14) Ridley

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Sonic
15) Toad (I’m flexible on these low seeds too so… whatever)

Division 2

1) Samus
16) Hard Man

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Auron
13) KOS-MOS

5) Zelda
12) Ken Masters

6) Squall
11) Squall

3) Magus
14) Diddy Kong (See Dr. Wily)

7) Ness
10) Protoman (I believe he was SFF’D pretty bad by Zero. If you have someone else I’m willing to change)

2) Solid Snake
15) Vyse

Division 3

1) Crono
16) Pac-Man

8) Luigi
9) Kefka

4) Sora
13) Ghaleon

5) Shadow the Hedgehog
12)Donkey Kong

6) Ganondorf
11) Raiden

3) Aeris
14) Falco

7) Yoshi
10) Knuckles

2) Zero
15) Duke Nukem

Division 4

1) Mega Man
16) Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno (open to suggestions)

5) Kirby
12) Dr. Wily

4) Dante
13) Jak

6) Liquid Snake
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Tidus
14) Jill Valentine

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Master Chief
15) Laharl


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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Okay, so he's improved to 55% on himself. I still don't see how Cloud is going to win tomorrow. =/

Eh, the stats are never 100% accurate. There's still a lot we don't know for sure. We can only guestimate right now. I'm still taking a chance with Cloud. There are some things you can't justify with stats, but it doesn't mean I'm wrong. I'm not giving up that easily.
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My bracket's ready for armageddon. Just bring it on already.
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I gave him plenty of credit. You'll notice I'm not taking away from Sephiroth's performance in comparison to other characaters, I'm just basing it off of Link. He could not touch Link, trying to argue that is stupid. The entire argument is that by the end of the contest we'll see:

Link (2002) -> Clinkeroth (2003) -> Link (2004)

You wanted to argue that Cloud should be included in 2004, and I greatly disagreed. He will not be in the "equation" this year. He'll never challenge Link tomorrow.

Your entire argument is based off of a blowout tomorrow that I'm not expecting to see. I know it really doesn't look good for Mr Strife right now, but I don't care. Sometimes you just have to trust your pics and hope for the best. I'm usually not all that confident with my pics because I know I'm fallible and there are a lot of factors in every match that I may not have seen. (One of the few that I was exceedingly confident in was Tidus getting 45% on Mega Man, and look how that turned out; on the other hand that means another year of people underestimating Tidus) But I haven't gotten a match with a Square character involved in it wrong yet this contest (except Sora who got in as a Disney entrant, not Square, or there would have been 11 Square characters) and I'm not expecting to get tomorrow's wrong either. It's looking more and more unlikely, and the stats are against it, but I'm sticking with Cloud. If Link wins, so be it, but he won't. And if Link does win, then no way in hell is it going to be a blowout that puts Link on another tier. Cloud may be going down tomorrow but no way will I expect him to go down without one hell of a fight. This much I know to be true.

I was talking purely about 2002. Don't bring other years into this, because he couldn't "dominate" anyone other than "Clink". He was dead even with a good number of people in 2002.

Hmm, to the X-Stats we go.

1 South 2 Link 50.00% 9:1 1 -1 6 6 0
2 West 7 Sephiroth 43.35% 9:1 1 -6 5 6 -1
3 West 6 Mega Man 42.91% 45:1 2 -4 3 5 -2
4 West 5 Samus Aran 41.07% 36:1 3 -2 4 5 -1
5 West 1 Sonic the Hedgehog 41.05% 45:1 4 3 3 4 -1
6 North 1 Mario 37.47% 6:1 1 0 6 4 2

He is .44 away from his nearest competitor below him, and a whole 2.28 away from his second nearest competitor below him. "Dead even"? I think not. Looking at these alone for making a bracket right now, no way in hell would I put Sonic or Samus or Mario over Sephiroth. Even Mega Man is a stretch.

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Why do I feel like I've read that exact statement before? O_O'

Because he seriously said the exact same thing before.
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I cannot consider Cloud to be out of the contention for the champion.. Come on.. Afterall, this is Cloud and he is from Final Fantasy VII and this is gamefaqs where FFVII > All ... Not I am not saying games equal characters or whatever but FFVII and Cloud does come close together...

Tomorrow will be a close match.. Neither character will be able to break 53%..

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Tomorrow's Prediction: Cloud-50.5% : Link-49.5%

Because he seriously said the exact same thing before.

I actually did? I hate it when I do that. =(
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Seriously, though, Kao Megura's FAQ kicks all kinds of ass.
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Make suggestions for my/our SC2k5 Clnkeroth-less bracket here.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16653140
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

For all of you "Link (2004)" proponents, what percentage would Cloud have to get in order to have "Clink (2004)?"
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Kao's fans were obviously united after his death and they will suddenly return in mass numbers to put the DBZ fello to victoly!

Or maybe Link will win.
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Cloud needs at least 47% for me to consider a Clink tier. Clinkeroth is separated by less than 2%.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Your entire argument is based off of a blowout tomorrow that I'm not expecting to see. I know it really doesn't look good for Mr Strife right now, but I don't care.

Well, that's sort of the entire point of my argument. I stated that Link should NOT have any trouble beating Cloud tomorrow. I do mean to the point where he can take it and gain consistently throughout the day and end with around 54-55%. That separates himself from Cloud enough to where it could be simply called "Link" because it's just to dominating over another character who wasn't challenged throughout this contest either.

But I haven't gotten a match with a Square character involved in it wrong yet this contest (except Sora who got in as a Disney entrant, not Square, or there would have been 11 Square characters)

I don't want to sound mean, but tomorrow would be your first one--not count Sora, but it might as well be counted. =p

If Link wins, so be it, but he won't.

I've never been more confident about any match as I am about tomorrow. I just cannot possibly fathom someone who has been consistently overperforming in his matches against someone who has only overperformed in match featuring other Final Fantasy characters.

And if Link does win, then no way in hell is it going to be a blowout that puts Link on another tier. Cloud may be going down tomorrow but no way will I expect him to go down without one hell of a fight. This much I know to be true.

And I know it to be the exact opposite. If Cloud EVER challenges Link in this match or even makes it close I would utterly shocked. Just shocked. Cloud may be strong yes, but when Link dominates like this there is little to anything any character can do to him.

I was talking purely about 2002. Don't bring other years into this, because he couldn't "dominate" anyone other than "Clink". He was dead even with a good number of people in 2002.


He is .44 away from his nearest competitor below him, and a whole 2.28 away from his second nearest competitor below him. "Dead even"? I think not.

He goes 50-50 with Mega Man that year and beats Samus/Sonic in a 52-48 match. It may not be "dead" even", but you better believe he cannot dominate, or clearly beat, three people below him. From Mario down is where it would be different.

Looking at these alone for making a bracket right now, no way in hell would I put Sonic or Samus or Mario over Sephiroth. Even Mega Man is a stretch.

Well, it's probably the same reason you wouldn't take Sephiroth or Link over Cloud this year. You see a 52-48 match as something that is clearly in one's favor and couldn't be overcome within a year. And I'd love to hear how taking Mega Man would be a stretch--back then--because that win Sephiroth had was a mere 900 votes.
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That's what Cloud is projected to get on Link through Mario, right?
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I'm just so proud of Samus right now : )


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Cloud on a Mario based Link would get roughly 46.8%. Not enough. ;p
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

For all of you "Link (2004)" proponents, what percentage would Cloud have to get in order to have "Clink (2004)?"

He needs to get above 47%.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Why can't the 9999 below the slashed Samus be the % of votes she has.
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Well, that's sort of the entire point of my argument. I stated that Link should NOT have any trouble beating Cloud tomorrow. I do mean to the point where he can take it and gain consistently throughout the day and end with around 54-55%. That separates himself from Cloud enough to where it could be simply called "Link" because it's just to dominating over another character who wasn't challenged throughout this contest either.

I really don’t think that’s going to happen. Even if it does, then Cloud shouldn’t fall to 55%. At the very least I’m expecting some sort of Square Night Vote to push him above 49, but I’m hoping he can reach 51. If there is some sort of huge gap, I shall be very surprised.

I don't want to sound mean, but tomorrow would be your first one--not count Sora, but it might as well be counted. =p

No need to be mean. It won’t be your fault if Cloud loses tomorrow. Who are you going to vote for, anyway?

I've never been more confident about any match as I am about tomorrow. I just cannot possibly fathom someone who has been consistently overperforming in his matches against someone who has only overperformed in match featuring other Final Fantasy characters.

Link vs CATS – CATS is fading in popularity.
Link vs Ganon – SFF
Link vs Yoshi – SFF
Link vs Crono – Bleh. I dunno what to say, other then Cloud could probably do the same thing to him. Of course Cloud will have SFF, but whatever . . .
Link vs Mega Man – Regardless of what you think, Mega Man didn’t impress me all that much this year. He failed to get SFF on Zero, when Zero got it on Protoman. He did get 65% on Tidus, but I think that’s a fluke.

And I know it to be the exact opposite. If Cloud EVER challenges Link in this match or even makes it close I would utterly shocked. Just shocked. Cloud may be strong yes, but when Link dominates like this there is little to anything any character can do to him.

Well then prepare to be shocked.

He goes 50-50 with Mega Man that year and beats Samus/Sonic in a 52-48 match. It may not be "dead" even", but you better believe he cannot dominate, or clearly beat, three people below him. From Mario down is where it would be different.

Well, it's probably the same reason you wouldn't take Sephiroth or Link over Cloud this year. You see a 52-48 match as something that is clearly in one's favor and couldn't be overcome within a year. And I'd love to hear how taking Mega Man would be a stretch--back then--because that win Sephiroth had was a mere 900 votes.

What conclusion did we ever come to about WDF? Did we ever come to one? Because of such a thing exists then this argument here is a waste of time anyway. If it doesn’t then maybe I did give Mega Man too little credit (not that he could get WDF anyway, obviously) but a 52-48 lead is strong enough for me to give to someone like Sonic or Mega Man who don’t come out with new games capable of being highly praised. How well has MMAC been selling lately, anyway? Samus does have MP 2, but at the same time I highly doubt that many people will buy it who haven't played MP, and considering how popular MP already is I doubt all that many people will like Samus very much more then they already do just because of it. I don't know very much about the game, but I assume it's pretty much going to be much of the same Samus, no?

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You asked about WDF, JP? The number that matches up with the 2k3 XS the most is 38.57% for Sephiroth. That puts Seph, Samus, Sonic, Mega Man, Mario, Crono, and Cloud all within nearly 2% of each other in the 2k2 XS.
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honestly im amazed. Before the semis everyone was still saying that we should kick our sonic and snake from the noble nine and make it the super seven. Now several things have happened.

1. MM was doubled by link

2. Snake is now projected to be around 1% below zero, could very well end up below Ryu (SF) depending on tommorows match. Yes this doesn't change the fact that snake should be removed from the noblenine however...

3. Sonic has outranked MEGAMAN and snake, thus basically saying that MM and snake should be removed from the noblenine (now if you saw this coming please stand up).
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Jonpen... You just read my mind.. Your opinion is exactly the same as mine..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Tomorrow's Prediction: Cloud-50.5% : Link-49.5%

You asked about WDF, JP? The number that matches up with the 2k3 XS the most is 38.57% for Sephiroth. That puts Seph, Samus, Sonic, Mega Man, Mario, Crono, and Cloud all within nearly 2% of each other in the 2k2 XS.

Cool. Good to see it all worked out. Thanks. ^.^

Jonpen... You just read my mind.. Your opinion is exactly the same as mine..

Nice to see not all Cloud support has fled this topic, Cloud supporters make me happy, eh Leonhart?
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The unadjusted divisional x-stats unite to form this re-seeded bracket. Take note of some of the rematches, interesting 2nd and 3rd round matches, and in particular, the 6-11 match in the Midgar division.

Hyrule
(1)Link vs (16)Guybrush Threepwood
(8)Conker vs (9)CATS
(5)Bowser vs (12)Pac-Man
(4)Magus vs (13)Alucard
(6)Yoshi vs (11)JC Denton
(3)Mario vs (14)Ryo Hazuki
(7)Luigi vs (10)Ganondorf
(2)Crono vs (15)Luca Blight

20XX
(1)Megaman vs (16)Tanner
(8)Shadow the Hedgehog vs (9)Knuckles the Echidna
(5)Master Chief vs (12)Max Payne
(4)Frog vs (13)Protoman
(6)Liquid Snake vs (11)Kefka
(3)Solid Snake vs (14)Crash Bandicoot
(7)Tidus vs (10)Tommy Vercetti
(2)Zero vs (15)Earthworm Jim

Midgar
(1)Cloud Strife vs (16)Sly Cooper
(8)Scorpion vs (9)Ness
(5)Squall Leonhart vs (12)Jak
(4)Vivi vs (13)Bomberman
(6)Donkey Kong vs (11)Vyse
(3)Auron vs (14)Kain
(7)Kirby vs (10)Duke Nukem
(2)Sephiroth vs (15)Laharl

Chaos
(1)Samus vs (16)Ratchet
(8)Ryu Hayabusa vs (9)Jill Valentine
(5)Dante vs (12)Sam Fisher
(4)Sora vs (13)Lara Croft
(6)KOS-MOS vs (11)HK-47
(3)Ryu (SF) vs (14)Gordon Freeman
(7)Tails vs (10)Viewtiful Joe
(2)Sonic vs (15)Terry Bogard
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3. Sonic has outranked MEGAMAN and snake, thus basically saying that MM and snake should be removed from the noblenine (now if you saw this coming please stand up).

Sonic hasn't outranked the Blue Bomber yet. If Cloud goes to far under 47% tomorrow, Mega Man comes out on top.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Sonic hasn't outranked the Blue Bomber yet. If Cloud goes to far under 47% tomorrow, Mega Man comes out on top.

Well if that happens i'll eat my words. However I severly doubt cloud won't easily break 47%.
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I really don’t think that’s going to happen.

All signs point to Link taking tomorrow without any trouble from Cloud.

Even if it does, then Cloud shouldn’t fall to 55%.

He might not fall to 55%, but I never expect him to finish with above 47% of the vote.

Who are you going to vote for, anyway?

Link.

Link vs CATS – CATS is fading in popularity.

Actually, he hasn't budged in popularity from looking at how dominate Link was in other matches. Much like in 2003 the first match against CATS told the tale of Cloud's [Link] domination throughout the contest.

For the record he overperformed by 1.35% of his own projection and 0.93% of Cloud's percentage last year.

Link vs Ganon – SFF

Massive.

Link vs Yoshi – SFF

Big, but not quite as massive.

Link vs Crono – Bleh. I dunno what to say, other then Cloud could probably do the same thing to him. Of course Cloud will have SFF, but whatever . . .

Exactly. Link completely exceed expectations against Crono while Cloud would have to benefit from SFF to do that well, or better.

Link vs Mega Man – Regardless of what you think, Mega Man didn’t impress me all that much this year. He failed to get SFF on Zero, when Zero got it on Protoman. He did get 65% on Tidus, but I think that’s a fluke.

He got 83% on Earthworm Jim, got 65% on Tidus, got 56% on Zero, and finally proceeded to beat Solid Snake with 57% (4% more than last year). There's nothing unimpressive about that run right there. It may not be championship material, but it certainly isn't unimpressive by any means whatsoever.

Well then prepare to be shocked.

I would say your the one who needs to prepare heading into this match, heh.

What conclusion did we ever come to about WDF? Did we ever come to one? Because of such a thing exists then this argument here is a waste of time anyway.

WDF had two major things happening in them. The first being that Sephiroth overperformed greatly in his match against Link while the other is that everyone in the West Division fell in the coming year. Both of them make absolutely zero sense.

If it doesn’t then maybe I did give Mega Man too little credit (not that he could get WDF anyway, obviously) but a 52-48 lead is strong enough for me to give to someone like Sonic or Mega Man who don’t come out with new games capable of being highly praised.

Sonic and Mega Man are incapable of getting new games that come out with priase? They are perfectly capable of doing that. Besides Mega Man was the 50-50 match and Sonic/Samus were the 52-48 matchups.

How well has MMAC been selling lately, anyway?

It sold 300,000 copies by the end of August and we'll be getting NPD numbers here in a week or so for September.

Samus does have MP 2, but at the same time I highly doubt that many people will buy it who haven't played MP,

That's totally wrong. If anything Metroid Prime was able to generate some fans and get people into Samus again from not having her in the 32/64-bit era. Now that word has caught on about how good Metroid Prime is the second one shouldn't have a problem selling even better than the first. They both were released in November too so sales would be easy to compare.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

and considering how popular MP already is I doubt all that many people will like Samus very much more then they already do just because of it. I don't know very much about the game, but I assume it's pretty much going to be much of the same Samus, no?

If characters such as Mega Man, Mario, Link, etc. can all increase from games there's no reason at all you can hold back Samus and say "Well, no one's going to change their mind." Quite honestly, why would we even discuss new games? Every game imaginable call fall under exactly what you just discussed. Although the main problem with that argument is she doesn't need a 12% boost in order for her to beat someone like Sephiroth or do better on Cloud. Metroid Prime 2 should boost her up at least to 45% on Cloud next year. Besides, she does have another big game releasing on the Nintendo DS--actually being packaged with the handheld upon release.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Cloud Strife 58.68% 46943
Samus Aran 41.32% 33057
TOTAL VOTES 80000

Uber. :-)

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(6)Liquid Snake vs (11)Kefka
(3)Solid Snake vs (14)Crash Bandicoot

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Since when has Sonic been ahead of Mega Man?
Do you really think Mario, Crono, Mega Man, AND Snake, 4 of the original Noble Nine in the top half of the bracket, ALL dropped in popularity?

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(6)Liquid Snake vs (11)Kefka
(3)Solid Snake vs (14)Crash Bandicoot

Someone replied to my brackets? Impossible! I thought no one cared.
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It's interesting... this one's more interesting.

(7)Tails vs (10)Viewtiful Joe
(2)Sonic vs (15)Terry Bogard

DOUBLE DEJAVU + SFF'D
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Actually, he hasn't budged in popularity from looking at how dominate Link was in other matches. Much like in 2003 the first match against CATS told the tale of Cloud's [Link] domination throughout the contest.

For the record he overperformed by 1.35% of his own projection and 0.93% of Cloud's percentage last year.

Chichiri brought up the idea that CATS is losing popularity. He’s not getting the same amount of board love as he supposedly used to (not that I know first hand, but I trust him), and CATS needs board support to get him in the contest and to give him any amount of votes at all.

WDF had two major things happening in them. The first being that Sephiroth overperformed greatly in his match against Link while the other is that everyone in the West Division fell in the coming year. Both of them make absolutely zero sense.

Good, I never liked WDF.

Sonic and Mega Man are incapable of getting new games that come out with priase? They are perfectly capable of doing that. Besides Mega Man was the 50-50 match and Sonic/Samus were the 52-48 matchups.

Sure they could, but they haven’t yet.

It sold 300,000 copies by the end of August and we'll be getting NPD numbers here in a week or so for September.

I don’t know much about this kinda stuff, but is that good? How would that compare to say, Metroid Prime, or Sonic Heroes or FFX/FF X-2?

That's totally wrong. If anything Metroid Prime was able to generate some fans and get people into Samus again from not having her in the 32/64-bit era. Now that word has caught on about how good Metroid Prime is the second one shouldn't have a problem selling even better than the first. They both were released in November too so sales would be easy to compare.

If characters such as Mega Man, Mario, Link, etc. can all increase from games there's no reason at all you can hold back Samus and say "Well, no one's going to change their mind." Quite honestly, why would we even discuss new games? Every game imaginable call fall under exactly what you just discussed. Although the main problem with that argument is she doesn't need a 12% boost in order for her to beat someone like Sephiroth or do better on Cloud. Metroid Prime 2 should boost her up at least to 45% on Cloud next year. Besides, she does have another big game releasing on the Nintendo DS--actually being packaged with the handheld upon release.

Some new games have more room to add to their characters then others. Usually a game on a new consoles would help a character more then a second game on the same console. WW would help Link more then MP 2 would help Samus, FFVII would be aided more by a FFVII-2 then FFX was, Sonic Adventure 2’s re-release helped Sonic more then Sonic Heroes, and DMC2 didn’t help Dante as much because, not only because it sucked, but it was for PS2. This is all common sense. More people whose first console was GCN would be inclined to look at MP, than they see it and like it and want MP2. But they already are voting for Samus. I’m saying that with a game that is both as mainstream and as well-liked as MP, a sequel on the same system with much of the same concepts should not help her all that much.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Who are you going to vote for, anyway?

Link.

What happened to liking Cloud better than Link? O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Anyone who hasn't seen Ocelot in the MGS3 trailers needs to do so immediately. I can't get enough of flipping those guns around. Heh.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Who are you going to vote for, anyway?

Link.

What happened to liking Cloud better than Link? O.o

I was wondering that myself. But with him you never really know.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I was wondering that myself. But with him you never really know.

Senility!

=)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Do we even know how old he is, anyway?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Chichiri brought up the idea that CATS is losing popularity. He’s not getting the same amount of board love as he supposedly used to (not that I know first hand, but I trust him),

That takes away from what? The immediate board vote? After that the "CATS Army" does very little, if anything, from that point forward. CATS could have dipped in popularity, but Link's overperformance in that match has shown to be all him from other matches we've seen. This is an idea we could've thrown around at the beginning, but I wouldn't bother arguing it now. Link has obviously increased.

Good, I never liked WDF.

Neither did I. I never supported the idea of Sephiroth overperforming to stop an all-Nintendo final. The excuse was just terrible.

Sonic and Mega Man are incapable of getting new games that come out with priase? They are perfectly capable of doing that. Besides Mega Man was the 50-50 match and Sonic/Samus were the 52-48 matchups.

Sure they could, but they haven’t yet.

I don’t know much about this kinda stuff, but is that good? How would that compare to say, Metroid Prime, or Sonic Heroes or FFX/FF X-2?

Good grief, it isn't a major hit. Your talking about all games that sold millions of copies--minus Sonic Heroes--but just in comparison to other games it's doing well. It's the highest selling Mega Man console game this generation and is on track to outsell Sonic Mega Collection.

Some new games have more room to add to their characters then others.

Depending on how strong you are and how many games you have is good for judging this. People like Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man obviously need big hits in order to see great increases. People like Samus with very few games in comparison don't need it to as big, but MP2:E will certainly be pushing Nintendo's console sales this holiday season.

Usually a game on a new consoles would help a character more then a second game on the same console. WW would help Link more then MP 2 would help Samus,

...Link didn't budge from 2002 to 2003. << Anyway, Metroid Prime 2: Echoes DOES NOT need to affect her greatly. I don't see how one could argue it not helping Samus noticably.

More people whose first console was GCN would be inclined to look at MP, than they see it and like it and want MP2.

You could say the same thing about every sequel released on a platform. Why is Halo 2 going to help Master Chief next year? It'll just be the same people buying it. Why is Viewtiful Joe 2 going to help next year? It'll be the same people buying it. Why is any sequel this year going to a character? It'll be the same people buying it. Why is Metal Gear Solid 3 going to help Snake next year? It'll be the same people buying it.

No character would ever increase if what you're saying is true. Nor would we bother to discuss increases from year to year.


What happened to liking Cloud better than Link? O.o

That's after Advent Children and if everything is presented well. Then again, Cloud's got challenge coming from Link in the form of the new Zelda. So we'll see, as it stands now Link holds my number three spot.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

I still don't see how people can completely rule out Cloud in this match.

We're talking about Samus Aran, coming off SEVERAL games to her name that have obviously boosted her popularity exponentially.

There's NO way a victory over Mega Man is as impressive as a victory over Samus, and you're all going to see that tomorrow when Cloud beats Link with 52%.
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Today: Cloud Strife. Tomorrow: Cloud Strife.

There's NO way a victory over Mega Man is as impressive as a victory over Samus, and you're all going to see that tomorrow when Cloud beats Link with 52%.

Even by the margin of victory Link had?
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

After Advent Children, people. After. Then again, the moment the new Legend of Zelda is released in Japan I'm importing it if it takes months to get over here. So it'll have it's competition.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Nobody's responded to me yet, so I'll say it again (with slightly updated numbers): Assuming that Snake and Sonic stayed the same and that Cloud/Samus ends at 58.69%, Link is projected to get 54.0% on Cloud. Major ouchies.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

There's NO way a victory over Mega Man is as impressive as a victory over Samus, and you're all going to see that tomorrow when Cloud beats Link with 52%.

It wasn't just a victory, he doubled (66%+) Mega Man. That's huge, just plain huge.

My prediction is Link takes this with 54.45% of the vote.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

That's after Advent Children and if everything is presented well. Then again, Cloud's got challenge coming from Link in the form of the new Zelda. So we'll see, as it stands now Link holds my number three spot.

But... you said that Link wasn't even in your top 10 not too long ago - in one of your "Crono needs 45%" topics. It seemed like you liked Crono better at that point. O_o

Perhaps you are senile. =D
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

We're talking about Samus Aran, coming off SEVERAL games to her name that have obviously boosted her popularity exponentially.

Of course, and Megaman has one game.
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On a completely unrelated matter, I just went through Lower Norfair and got my ass handed to me by Ridley. And on the second try I beat him with 33 health and 6 missiles left. What an amazing game. Pity Samus is losing.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Perhaps you are senile. =D

I guess I am if I said something that stupid. ><
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Good grief, it isn't a major hit. Your talking about all games that sold millions of copies--minus Sonic Heroes--but just in comparison to other games it's doing well. It's the highest selling Mega Man console game this generation and is on track to outsell Sonic Mega Collection.

Heh, Sonic Mega Collection, what a game to beat. Good job, MMAC. Of course we all know that sales don’t matter anyway, or Pikachu would win the contest.

Depending on how strong you are and how many games you have is good for judging this. People like Mario, Sonic, and Mega Man obviously need big hits in order to see great increases. People like Samus with very few games in comparison don't need it to as big, but MP2:E will certainly be pushing Nintendo's console sales this holiday season.

You could say the same thing about every sequel released on a platform. Why is Halo 2 going to help Master Chief next year? It'll just be the same people buying it. Why is Viewtiful Joe 2 going to help next year? It'll be the same people buying it. Why is any sequel this year going to a character? It'll be the same people buying it. Why is Metal Gear Solid 3 going to help Snake next year? It'll be the same people buying it.

No character would ever increase if what you're saying is true. Nor would we bother to discuss increases from year to year.

Ugh, I’m trying to say that almost everyone who has played Metroid Prime likes it. Not everyone likes V Joe 1, or Halo 1, etc. People may play the sequel and like that character more. But almost everyone that has played MP already likes her. If they already like her they can’t vote for her more because they are already voting for her.

That's after Advent Children and if everything is presented well. Then again, Cloud's got challenge coming from Link in the form of the new Zelda. So we'll see, as it stands now Link holds my number three spot.

Fair enough.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

There's NO way a victory over Mega Man is as impressive as a victory over Samus, and you're all going to see that tomorrow when Cloud beats Link with 52%.

If the percentages were equal, perhaps , but Link more than doubled Mega Man, who beat Snake by more than he did last year.. That's ****ing impressive. Much more impressive than not breaking 60% on Samus.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Perhaps you are senile. =D

I think everyone is a little senile.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I guess I am if I said something that stupid. ><

XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm starting to think Link's gonna beat Cloud by more than 300.. maybe 3000.

I think Mega Man/Samus would be equal in strength. I don't have stats handy in front of me, so correct me if I'm wrong. Link could beat Samus a bit worse than Cloud is beating Samus right now... I think. Samus just might be a lot more impressive than I'm giving her credit for, however.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

From BeTheMan's topic about this year's XS, located here:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16624987

If Link beats Cloud, 54.50% - 45.50%

Link - 50.00%
Cloud - 45.50%
Sephiroth - 40.72%
Samus - 37.31%
Crono - 37.18%
Mario - 34.77%
Mega Man - 32.39%
Magus - 31.74%

Sonic - 31.70%
Ganondorf - 31.05%
Auron - 29.91%
Zero - 28.98%
Ryu - 28.19%
Squall - 27.77%
Bowser - 27.75%
Solid Snake - 27.73%

Credit goes to BeTheMan. These are SFF adjusted, though I don't know how he did it. I think he'll be posting other scenarios in there, too. Check it out. And major ouch for Solid Snake.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Hyrule

(1) Link - 93.06%
(16) Guybrush Threepwood - 6.94%

(8) Conker - 62.83%
(9) CATS - 37.17%

(5) Bowser - 73.71%
(12) Pac-Man - 26.29%

(4) Magus - 76.92%
(13) Alucard - 23.08%

(6) Yoshi - 68.65%
(11) JC Denton - 31.35%

(3) Mario - 87.60%
(14) Ryo Hazuki - 12.40%

(7) Luigi - 63.60%
(10) Ganondorf - 36.40%

(2) Crono - 88.54%
(15) Luca Blight - 11.46%

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(1) Link - 83.63%
(8) Conker - 16.37%

(5) Bowser - 45.42%
(4) Magus - 54.58%

(6) Yoshi - 26.26%
(3) Mario - 73.74%

(7) Luigi - 22.35%
(2) Crono - 77.65%

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(1) Link - 77.53%
(4) Magus - 22.47%

(3) Mario - 46.76%
(2) Crono - 53.24%

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(1) Link - 62.82%
(2) Crono - 37.18%
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SC2K4 Score: 136/144
Today's Pick: Cloud

Sonic - 31.70%
Ganondorf - 31.05%
Auron - 29.91%
Zero - 28.98%
Ryu - 28.19%
Squall - 27.77%
Bowser - 27.75%
Solid Snake - 27.73%

Haha, Solid Snake = pwned lolol
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Speaking of him, I actually looked at his guide for FFVII... If nothing else, he was thorough as hell. O.o


TOPIC 47'ED
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

Vote totals for this match are slowing down - it was only 5,652 votes ahead at the most recent update.

Maybe more people were voting earlier...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

6.5 hours remain... this poll is gonna hit 100k, right? And I cannot wait for Link/Cloud... I'm so antsy!
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Link vs CATS – CATS is fading in popularity.

You know how hard it is to bring CATS under 13%? ESPECIALLY with lower vote totals.

Link vs Ganon – SFF

I'll take it.

Link vs Yoshi – SFF

And yet this match drew over 90000 voters.

Link vs Crono – Bleh. I dunno what to say, other then Cloud could probably do the same thing to him. Of course Cloud will have SFF, but whatever . . .

Self-pwnt.

Link vs Mega Man – Regardless of what you think, Mega Man didn’t impress me all that much this year. He failed to get SFF on Zero, when Zero got it on Protoman. He did get 65% on Tidus, but I think that’s a fluke.

Except that Mega Man has shown no signs of decreasing and that Tidus was a near-elite last year, and even Sephiroth barely broke 61% on him whereas Link comfortably doubled him.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

Tournament Finals: Match 63 – (1)Link vs. (1)Cloud

Moltar’s Analysis

Link - MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!!

Round 1 – vs. CATS (Link: 87.83% - CATS: 12.17%)
Round 2 – vs. Ganondorf (Link: 87.90% - Ganondorf: 12.10%)
Round 3 – vs. Yoshi (Link: 81.74% - Yoshi: 18.26%)
Round 4 – vs. Crono (Link: 62.82% - Crono: 37.18%)
Round 5 – vs. Mega Man (Link: 67.87% - Mega Man: 32.13%)

WOW! Link doubles Mega, and then some. Very impressive showing from the Hylian.

Cloud - TO THE DEATH!!!!!!!!

Round 1 – vs. Duke (Cloud: 80.19% - Duke: 19.81%)
Round 2 – vs. Vyse (Cloud: 81.41% - Vyse: 18.59%)
Round 3 – vs. Squall (Cloud: 76.21% - Squall: 23.79%)
Round 4 – vs. Sephiroth (Cloud: 56% - Sephiroth: 44%)
Round 5 – vs. Samus (Cloud: 58.50% - Samus: 41.50%) - Estimate

Even though the match isn’t over, it’s seems like a nice guess. Great performance by Samus.

The final match of the Contest…wow. Time seems to have just flown by. It seems as if we’re back in July….er August, when Link faced CATS. Let’s look back at Link and Cloud’s path to the finals…

Link: Oh boy! Time to go bomb some dodongos!

*Insert heavy metal fighting music here, playing in the background*

~Link vs. CATS~

CATS: All your votes are belong to me Link! You have no chance to survive, make your time!

Link: How do I make time?

CATS: HA HA HA !! Wait…that doesn’t make any sense unless you’re…

Time Maker: HOWDY YA’LL!

Link: o_O;….Hey wait…CATS used proper grammar!

CATS: >_>;; No I didn’t! Er…NOOOOOOOOO! *explodes*

Link: I set you up the bomb!



~Link vs. Ganondorf~

Ganondorf: Mwhaha! Foolish Link, why do you even try, this match will end up just like how the games do.

Link: You mean with me defeating you in some way?

Ganondorf: Of course not! You obviously have been playing the wrong games.

Link: ;_; I’m sorry. Train me Ganondorf! Teach me to be like you! Make me your student!

Ganondorf: Excellent…my follower. First, I need you to get Zelda…we have some un-finished business to take care of…*unzips pants*



~Link vs. Yoshi~

Yoshi: YOSHI!

Link: I’m going to ride you like Epona! *hops on Yoshi*

Yoshi: O_O…Yoshi?

*Mario comes out of nowhere and punches Link in the face*

Mario: Dammit Link. This is my ride, and at least wear some damn underwear under that tunic or something. *gets on Yoshi*

LUE: OMG LUEshi! *saLUEtes*



~Link vs Crono~

Crono: …

Link: …

Crono: …?

Link: …!

Crono: …

Link: SAI-YA!

Crono: *dies*

Link: Now that’s what I call a Master Debater!


~Link vs. Mega Man~

Link: Mega Man! More like Mega GIRL!

Mega: You making fun of my daughter, boy?

Link: Uh…Mega Woman?

Mega: Now my wife?

Link: Mega Boy?

Mega: My son…

Link: How do robots have children.

Mega: Come, I’ll explain first we…*whispers*…

Link: O_O OMG *barf*

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Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Cloud: *insert whiny/angst comment here*

*insert other heavy metal music playing in the background*

~Cloud vs. Duke~

Duke: Kingdom Hearts is a WUSSY GAME!

Cloud: No! It was Mature and for teenagers!

Duke: You wanna see something mature and for teenagers?

Cloud: Uh….I’ll pass.

Duke: HAHAHA! Milk makes your bones strong, boy!

Cloud: >_<;;; My ears…I’m not ready for the “M” Rated world…



~Cloud vs. Vyse~

Cloud: Ninjas > Pirates

Vyse: *kills Cloud*

Cloud: x_x

Vyse: YARRRR!



~Cloud vs. Squall~

Cloud: >_>

Squall: <_<

Cloud: So…um….are you ready?

Squall: I can’t believe we have to do this…in front of all these people too…

Cloud: Oh well, we can at least try to enjoy this…

Squall: Oh, I know I’ll be enjoying this…*wink*

Cloud: Then let’s do this! Let’s have a DANCE-OFF! *music starts*

Squall: ***** can’t dance for ****!

Cloud: Bring it the **** on!



~Cloud vs. Sephiroth~

Cloud: Instead of fighting, let’s have a pie-eating Contest!

Sephiroth: You’re only saying that because you got your sword confiscated at the airport…

Cloud: No, I got it on the plane…but I kinda…dropped it.

Sephiroth: Oh? It fell through the plane?

Cloud: Yea…it crushed Poland…

Sephiroth: NOT POLAND! *mourns* Anywhere….but Poland…;_;



~Cloud vs. Samus~

Samus: I can kick your ass so hard.

Cloud: It wouldn’t be the first time a girl beats me up.

Samus: Oh?

Cloud: Yeah, a lot of girls beat me up because they don’t like me.

Samus: That’s so sad…Well, you can be my best friend!

Cloud: Oh thanks Samus!

Samus: FOR ME TO POOP ON!

Cloud: OMG! That joke is so old and dead.

Samus: Like you! You’re a…joke and you’re…stupid and old…and…dead…and…*runs*
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Ahh…the memories. Anyway, to get back on track. We have here, the winner of the 2002 Contest and the winner of the 2003. Right here, THE two strongest competitors will go head to head in a match that has never been done before…oh wait.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1365

Link vs. Cloud back in 2003. Cloud was fresh off that KH boost while Link still had his 2002 strength. Cloud had just come off of his match with Sonic was looking God-awfully strong. Link held the lead for a little bit, but Cloud came right back in the first hour and took the lead, not looking back…Man, just look at the votes that match brought in, almost 150,000 votes, with each character getting over 70,000 votes. 1 year later, these two go at it again in what is shaping up to be another great match. Both have been doing very well so far this year too.

Link got 87.83% on his first opponent, CATS. Doing about 1.5% better than he would have last year and even out-performing Cloud’s numbers on him by almost a percent. But CATS is a bad character to base strength off of. Link vs. Ganondorf? Link performed like a beast! Ganon would have gotten 35% based of last year’s stats, and even if you factor in a Link increase, that’s still around 20% of SFF that Ganon suffered. Link/Yoshi? Another SFF match. Yoshi didn’t get it as bad as Ganondorf did, but the dinosaur still suffered about 9%, not factoring in a Link increase. Link/Crono is probably the best match we can look into. Crono is a very solid opponent, as is his strength. Crono did about 2% better on Conker and about 3% better on Mario than he did last year. (I’m not putting his match with Magus in for obvious reasons). Link performed within 1% of how he would have last year on Crono. So this means that Link and Crono had a proportional increase, right?
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1778

WRONG! Now everything made sense, everything had an explanation up to this match. Link had had a slight increase as we can see from his matches with CATS and Crono, but when you add in THIS match…you might as well throw logic out the window. Mega swept through his division. Blowing away Earthworm Jim. He overperformed by 10% on Tidus! This made Mega Man fans hopeful of an upset later on against Link! Looks like we should have looked more closely into his match with Zero. Reverse SFF? Nah…Zero couldn’t be all that strong. And then Snake was the final nail in the coffin. Mega didn’t have a chance to beat Link now, but he could at least break 40%, right? Nope, Link put up one of the most surprising performances I have ever seen! I haven’t seen any high-profile match result so…crazy since Cloud/Sonic in ’03. There is no definite explanation for it either. SFF? Now come on people…a Mega decrease/underperformance? That makes the rest of his division look like crap. A Link increase/overperformance of over 6%, even though Mega showed signs of an increase from his matches? Who knows? Well, thanks to that performance, expect the stats for Mega’s divison to be like this…

Mega Man......…………....32.00% - (-5.35%) - Between Aeris and Squall
Zero......………………......28.15% - (-4.06%) - Between Zelda and Auron
Solid Snake...………........27.40% - (-7.34%) - Between Auron and Dante
Frog.............…………......26.64% - Right around Alucard
Master Chief......…….......26.64% - (+0.49) - Right around Alucard
Liquid Snake….……........26.61% - Right around Alucard
Tidus.......…………….......22.54% - (-10.60%) - Between Sam and KOS-MOS
Shadow........…………......22.18% - (-11.61%) - Between Sam and KOS-MOS
Knuckles......………….....22.17% - (-3.45%) - Between KOS-MOS and Lara
Tommy...…………..........21.49% - (-3.27%) - Between Ramza and Sora
Kefka.......…..………......18.86% - (+3.36) - Between Bomberman and Vyse
Max Payne....………........16.35% - (-0.33%) - Between Max Payne and Kefka
Protoman........………......15.92% - Between Max Payne and Kefka
Crash Bandicoot...............15.60% - (-1.29%) - Right above Kefka
Earthworm Jim................10.89% - Between Raiden and Pikachu
Tanner.....………….........3.12% - Heh...

That’s right. Everybody except MC and Kefka take a plunge. The hardest hit are Tidus and Shadow though…they’ll fall from the upper-tier down to the lower-middle one. Snake, Mega and Zero are also hit hard.
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Now Cloud’s path there was a lot less fun, but made a lot more sense. His match with Duke had him underperforming by about 2%, but Duke had the best pic in the world that day. Cloud/Vyse had told us that Cloud has not fallen a bit since last year. Cloud performed within .20% of what he would have last year. So the only way he was going down this year is if someone received a large increase. Cloud then went into his first SFF match this year when he took on Squall. Now Squall had already been looking less-than-impressive thanks to underperforming 3% on both Bomberman and Kirby (but then again, Alcuard over-performed by 3% too, so this might have something to do with Seph/Alucard). Squall suffered about 7% of SFF here, but maybe all of it wasn’t SFF…


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1776

Now compare that with this…

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1367

As you can see, Cloud did about 4% better on Seph this year, than he did last year...but WAIT! Vivi[DK] would be expected to get 27.69% on 2003 Cloud. That means he would get 28.78% on Seph. Seph underpefroms by 2%. Auron would be expected to get 28.90% on 2003 Seph. Seph underperforms by 4%.
I think some of the numbers might be off, but you catch the point. If Seph has decreased since last year, and all signs are pointing to that, then Cloud’s performance against him was either nothing special, or a slight increase from last year. Now onto Cloud/Samus, which is in progress today. Cloud can not get 60% on Samus. Now we know Cloud hasn’t decreased any since last year, but Samus has increased tons. She’s at least 5% stronger than last year, and more if Cloud has increased any. She’s now the 4th strongest character in the Contest. Congrats to Samus, but that’s still bad news for Cloud. He needed big numbers in this match, and couldn’t get them.

Well, after all that. I can only come up with one conclusion. Link is the Summer Contest 2004 Champion. This match was looking up in the air for quite a while, but you can’t ignore the Link vs. Mega Man results. That surpasses even Cloud/Sonic in surprising performances. Link has also shown that he is stronger than he was last year, while Cloud remains about the same strength…this is kind of sound like 2003 all over again. The only thing different is that this time, Cloud is getting a taste of his own medicine.

Moltar’s Bracket says: Cloud will win

Moltar’s Prediction is: Link 51% - Cloud 49%
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

20XX

(1) Mega Man - 95.12%
(16) Tanner - 4.88%

(8) Shadow the Hedgehog - 50.01%
(9) Knuckles the Echidna - 49.99%

(5) Master Chief - 69.32%
(12) Max Payne - 30.68%

(4) Frog - 70.11%
(13) Protoman - 29.89%

(6) Liquid Snake - 64.56%
(11) Kefka - 35.44%

(3) Solid Snake - 71.54%
(14) Crash Bandicoot - 28.46%

(7) Tidus - 52.34%
(10) Tommy Vercetti - 47.66%

(2) Zero - 80.65%
(15) Earthworm Jim - 19.35%

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(1) Mega Man - 65.35%
(8) Shadow the Hedgehog - 34.65%

(5) Master Chief - 50.00%
(4) Frog - 50.00%

(6) Liquid Snake - 48.56%
(3) Solid Snake - 51.44%

(7) Tidus - 40.03%
(2) Zero - 59.97%

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(1) Mega Man - 58.38%
(4) Frog - 41.62%

(3) Solid Snake - 48.66%
(2) Zero - 51.34%

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(1) Mega Man - 56.01%
(2) Zero - 43.99%
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SC2K4 Score: 136/144
Today's Pick: Cloud

Has it occurred to you all that Magus' 2003 number may very well be inflated due to being agianst Link? That would explain some of Tidus' drop. Also, since Crono increased, how can we be so certain that Magus didnt' increase as well?
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

You know how hard it is to bring CATS under 13%? ESPECIALLY with lower vote totals.

I'm saying it is easier, because CATS is fading in popularity.

And yet this match drew over 90000 voters.

So? Squall vs Cloud got 89,000.

Except that Mega Man has shown no signs of decreasing and that Tidus was a near-elite last year, and even Sephiroth barely broke 61% on him whereas Link comfortably doubled him.

I never said Mega Man decreased. I did say that Tidus's loss to Mega Man is a fluke, or as Leonhart said a few topics ago perhaps Tidus can hold his own against solid mid tiers but falters against elites.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Ugh, Cloud defending is frustrating. No matter what we believed, we all have to give kudos to Heroic Mario for all the debates he had to fight with such a winner picked out. That's a lot of work for him, and it really must have sucked to see Mega Man lose so badly.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Heh, Sonic Mega Collection, what a game to beat. Good job, MMAC. Of course we all know that sales don’t matter anyway, or Pikachu would win the contest.

It's certainly a success when you can outdo 500,000 copies. There's no shame in not selling 1 million when you are a collection of older titles. Oh and you meant Mario would win this contest if it was based on sales.

Ugh, I’m trying to say that almost everyone who has played Metroid Prime likes it. Not everyone likes V Joe 1, or Halo 1, etc. People may play the sequel and like that character more.

Why can't this hold true for Metroid Prime 2: Echoes? I already expect MP2 to outsell MP.

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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

So? Squall vs Cloud got 89,000.

Still around a 4,000 vote difference...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sonic - 31.70%
Ganondorf - 31.05%
Auron - 29.91%
Zero - 28.98%
Ryu - 28.19%
Squall - 27.77%
Bowser - 27.75%
Solid Snake - 27.73%


That absolutely sucks to see Solid Snake that low.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Is the Link vs Cloud pic up yet?
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I am lonesome George no more!- Golden Sun 2 turtle

Ulti's Analysis

In this contest, Link has looked more and more like the favorite in this match. His prediction percentages are higher than Cloud's, his vote totals (as well as the total votes in his polls) are higher than Cloud, and he has shown no signs of weakness whatsoever. Cloud has surrendered the early lead in every match he has been in thusfar this contest, and doing so against Link could cause quite a problem. If Cloud falls too far behind too early, he may not be able to do what he did last year.

That said, this year is looking exactly like it did last year. Cloud is being sorely underestimated, and most people outside of Board 8 are likely expecting Link to own the contest like he did in 2002. This could make for an exciting match, but for some odd reason, I have a feeling that this will be a Mario/Crono redux: very boring, with no controversy despite our best hopes of seeing some.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Cloud/Cloud with 53.24%

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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Heh. 53% for Cloud? Nothing but a dream...
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Wasn't Ulti the one saying that Cloud has no chance tomorrow. O_o
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summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

It's certainly a success when you can outdo 500,000 copies. There's no shame in not selling 1 million when you are a collection of older titles.

I agree. But still, it's no MP/SH/FFX-2/AC.

Oh and you meant Mario would win this contest if it was based on sales.

Is that so? More then Pokemon? Cool.

Why can't this hold true for Metroid Prime 2: Echoes? I already expect MP2 to outsell MP.

UGH, because almost everyone that has played Metroid Prime likes it. I know of almost no one that doesn't like it, which sets it apart from a lot of games. People will buy MP2, but those people will already like Samus because they already liked MP. People who buy Halo 2 may not have liked the original but like the sequel. Everyone alreadly likes Metroid Prime enough to vote for her!

Still around a 4,000 vote difference...

I don't see it as a gap large enough to make Link look even better then he already does.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

He did. He even had a topic about declaring Link the winner.

TRE made this list from the updates I've been posting - it is the difference between Mario vs. Crono and this match at different updates:

13:30 - 13485
14:00 - 12828
14:30 - 11932
15:00 - 10935
15:30 - 9807
16:00 - 8645
16:30 - 7546
17:00 - 6631
17:30 - 5652
18:00 - 5012

As of the 17:30 update, Mario vs. Crono was going to surpass this match in 2.5 hours. It looks like Link might get more total votes for this round as well....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Cloud/Cloud with 53.24%

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 10/2/2004 11:00:11 AM | Message Detail
There will be plenty of vote-stuffing tomorrow, and when you add that to the numbers Link has alredy put up this contest, he can easily win tomorrow's match at a 54-46 clip.

Something doesn't seem right...
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Look at Ulti's prophet challenge prediction too.

Ulti is pulling a Kerry.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I agree. But still, it's no MP/SH/FFX-2/AC.

Sheesh, of course it isn't going to sell millions of copies. I don't know why anyone would expect it too. The game has to be a major hit in order to do that.

Is that so? More then Pokemon? Cool.

It's the highest selling video game franchise of all-time. ;)

UGH, because almost everyone that has played Metroid Prime likes it. I know of almost no one that doesn't like it, which sets it apart from a lot of games.

I know quite a few who weren't in love with the game--those poor souls--but it doesn't change the fact that many people can buy the game and like it to the point of voting Samus. There have been many more GameCube systems sold since November 2002 and certainly enough to garner new fans with Metroid Prime 2: Echoes. It's the biggest Nintendo game coming out this holiday season.

People will buy MP2, but those people will already like Samus because they already liked MP. People who buy Halo 2 may not have liked the original but like the sequel. Everyone alreadly likes Metroid Prime enough to vote for her!

Why? Why would people hate Halo and then love Halo 2? Or what about Metal Gear Solid 3? It's obviously not going to give Snake much of a boost considering there's already been a game on the PS2 before. Honestly, I don't buy anything like that. To think Samus isn't going to get a boost next year is asinine. She has the best potential of any "elite" character.

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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

I personally hated MP the first time I played it. Now I'm at the Omega Pirate, but I'm just A) stuck and B) bored with it. I definitely prefer the 2D GBA games to MP.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

It's the highest selling video game franchise of all-time. ;)

In terms of recent sales, I think Pokemon is ahead though. 372,000 copies of Emerald sold on the first day in Japan. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Midgar

(1) Cloud Strife - 88.01%
(16) Sly Cooper - 11.99%

(8) Scorpion - 50.28%
(9) Ness - 49.72%

(5) Squall Leonhart - 62.48%
(12) Jak - 37.52%

(4) Vivi - 67.97%
(13) Bomberman - 32.03%

(6) Donkey Kong - 59.21%
(11) Vyse - 40.79%

(3) Auron - 73.38%
(14) Kain - 26.62%

(7) Kirby - 53.74%
(10) Duke Nukem - 46.26%

(2) Sephiroth - 83.19%
(15) Laharl - 16.81%

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(1) Cloud Strife - 80.02%
(8) Scorpion - 19.98%

(5) Squall Leonhart - 45.44%
(4) Vivi - 54.56%

(6) Donkey Kong - 40.10%
(3) Auron - 59.90%

(7) Kirby - 24.33%
(2) Sephiroth - 75.67%

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(1) Cloud Strife - 73.82%
(4) Vivi - 26.18%

(3) Auron - 32.30%
(2) Sephiroth - 67.70%

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(1) Cloud Strife - 56.00%
(2) Sephiroth - 44.00%
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SC2K4 Score: 136/144
Today's Pick: Cloud

Ugh, Cloud defending is frustrating. No matter what we believed, we all have to give kudos to Heroic Mario for all the debates he had to fight with such a winner picked out. That's a lot of work for him, and it really must have sucked to see Mega Man lose so badly.

I think that Cloud will win tomorrow as well. But the arguments that you have presented do nothing for the cause.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

Haha, I just realized what I was doing. I was taking a group of voters and actually trying to act as if each one of them was a real person. I was doing the same thing I do when I wonder why on Earth anyone would vote Sonic over Aeris then Cloud over Sonic. If I use logic, everyone I know, IRL and here, likes MP. But the people I know do things that make some amount of sense. I don't know why people would buy MP 2 but not MP, but they do. It makes no sense to me, just like when someone votes Sonic then Cloud. If the voters did what made sense, then this contest would be quite different. Maybe I'm just too damned tired, or something, but people are so stupid.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

In terms of recent sales, I think Pokemon is ahead though. 372,000 copies of Emerald sold on the first day in Japan. O.o

Holy ****!
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I know of almost no one that doesn't like it, which sets it apart from a lot of games.

I want to be #1 on that list.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

In terms of recent sales, I think Pokemon is ahead though. 372,000 copies of Emerald sold on the first day in Japan. O.o

This generation it would be, but not in the long run.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

Holy ****!

790,527 from September 13 - 19. Not bad.* ;)

* Is an underestatement
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I know of almost no one that doesn't like it, which sets it apart from a lot of games.

I want to be #1 on that list.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I wrote my writeup for Link/Cloud during the Sonic/Samus match, and was too lazy to write something else.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

It makes perfect sense to vote Cloud over Sonic over Aeris. Maybe you just like Cloud more than Sonic and Sonic more than Aeris.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

There will be people who liked Metroid Prime, enough to vote Samus over someone like Sonic but not enough to vote Samus over someone like Cloud or Link. However if Metroid Prime 2 succeeds and does well, then their liking of her may increase enough to warrant a few of them voting Samus over Link or Cloud.
It's not a case of
Person A played MP. Therefore person A will vote Samus over everyon else.
MP2 will hopefully increase Person A's liking of Samus so that they will vote her over another character they wouldnt before.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

That absolutely sucks to see Solid Snake that low.

It sucks more that FROG is below him.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

No. A direct sequel will do very little to change a person's opinions. A sequel on another console could. why was Kingdom Hearts so effective? It introduced FF characters to a whole new Disney audience who had never seen them before.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

No. A direct sequel will do very little to change a person's opinions. A sequel on another console could. why was Kingdom Hearts so effective? It introduced FF characters to a whole new Disney audience who had never seen them before.

So we'll see no increase from characters based on games thsi coming year? Right, makes perfect sense.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.

(1) Samus Aran - 87.27%
(16) Ratchet - 12.73%

(8) Ryu Hayabusa - 50.02%
(9) Jill Valentine - 49.98%

(5) Dante - 70.51%
(12) Sam Fisher - 29.49%

(4) Sora - 74.22%
(13) Lara Croft - 25.78%

(6) KOS-MOS - 58.89%
(11) HK-47 - 41.11%

(3) Ryu - 77.55%
(14) Gordon Freeman - 22.45%

(7) Miles "Tails" Prower - 54.80%
(10) Viewtiful Joe - 45.20%

(2) Sonic the Hedgehog - 80.84%
(15) Terry Bogard - 19.16%

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(1) Samus Aran - 73.85%
(8) Ryu Hayabusa - 26.15%

(5) Dante - 47.25%
(4) Sora - 52.75%

(6) KOS-MOS - 37.87%
(3) Ryu - 62.13%

(7) Miles "Tails" Prower - 32.35%
(2) Sonic the Hedgehog - 67.65%

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(1) Samus Aran - 65.85%
(4) Sora - 34.15%

(3) Ryu - 44.46%
(2) Sonic the Hedgehog - 55.54%

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(1) Samus Aran - 57.51%
(2) Sonic the Hedgehog - 42.49%
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SC2K4 Score: 136/144
Today's Pick: Cloud

There will be people who liked Metroid Prime, enough to vote Samus over someone like Sonic but not enough to vote Samus over someone like Cloud or Link. However if Metroid Prime 2 succeeds and does well, then their liking of her may increase enough to warrant a few of them voting Samus over Link or Cloud.
It's not a case of
Person A played MP. Therefore person A will vote Samus over everyon else.
MP2 will hopefully increase Person A's liking of Samus so that they will vote her over another character they wouldnt before.

Actually, that's an extremely good point. Kudos, buddy. ^.^
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

So we'll see no increase from characters based on games thsi coming year? Right, makes perfect sense.

Samus will gain because of Hunters on the DS.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

(1) Samus Aran - 65.85%
(4) Sora - 34.15%

(3) Ryu - 44.46%
(2) Sonic the Hedgehog - 55.54%

XD
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
So close yet so far.

Samus will gain because of Hunters on the DS.

And Metroid Prime 2.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Ultimatelifeform: You pwn in every way for caring about my bracketology. Thanks.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Looking at the standings, Sephiroth/Samus would be a great rematch. Right now Sephiroth would win with ~54%, but considering how Samus has MP2:E and MPH:FH you have yourself an intense match...
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Hunters would help her more than MP2 however. MP2's increase will likely be minimal.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros.

Bracketology? Blasphemy. That word is only allowed to be used in March!
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

Hunters would help her more than MP2 however. MP2's increase will likely be minimal.

I totally disagree with MP2 being "minimal", but we'll find out next year. I know I'd take Samus in a rematch between her and Sephiroth. It's already close...
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Thanks. It's what I do.
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SC2K4 Score: 136/144
Today's Pick: Cloud

Credit goes to BeTheMan. These are SFF adjusted, though I don't know how he did it. I think he'll be posting other scenarios in there, too. Check it out. And major ouch for Solid Snake.

Thanks. ^_^

Anyway, yeah, the SFF adjustment is going to take a little work. Solid Snake will likely come out higher than 16th (at least ahead of Squall and Bowser) when I do my final table...but he's gonna be hurting really badly if Cloud takes down Link tomorrow.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

If Cloud wins we are guaranteed to have 11 190 or 191 point brackets. Barring anyone taking Samus, a Link win also ensures 11 190 or 191 point brackets. If I could go back through the stats topics, I would point out that I said a while ago that it would not shock me at all if the entire top 10 scored 190 or higher. Granted I said before the contest that the entire top 50 would, but it appears that I may not be far off. We are almost assured a top 50 of 188 and higher, with some of those 188 being left off. And if Cloud wins, I will be one of those 188's left off =(
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I can't make a topic, but does anyone want to play some UT2004?
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Third from the bottom. Kudos to me on the stellar ranking. :)- Snailien

What does everyone think of a Samus vs Sephiroth Final next year, with Link and Cloud removed from the bracket and happy in their little hall of fame?
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

It's Grrrrrrrrreat!
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SC2K4 Score: 136/144
Today's Pick: Cloud

Wait, where's the CJayC topic on the board to announce that? Or the front page announcement for that matter? What? That's BS? No ****, Sherlock.

I'm going to make a "make your own X-Sts" thingy tomorrow and upload it; we'll be able to see how the pack shuffles with and without SFF adjustments depending on the Link/Cloud results. The percentage will be changeable, of course, and any ranking along with it.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

I'm going to make a "make your own X-Sts" thingy tomorrow and upload it

Good grief, another X-Stats program my computer will refuse to unzip?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I'm going to make a "make your own X-Sts" thingy tomorrow and upload it

Good grief, another X-Stats program my computer will refuse to unzip?

Have you tried redownloading my program? It seems to work for everyone else. And this sounds like an Excel file anyway. It also sounds very cool.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Where can I download your program, RPGuy?
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

God, no, it's an Excel file.

Speaking of which, if tomorrow's match is close, or Cloud is winning, should I adjust Megaman to last year's value, or should I leave it like that in the SFF-adjusted?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Who are you going to vote for, anyway?

Link.

What??? I remember seeing lots of posts from you about how much you liked Cloud and how you'd support him if MM lost. Now you're going to jump on the Link bandwagon against a character you supposedly love?
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 124/144
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Cloud with 57.4%

Where can I download your program, RPGuy?

Right here:
http://www.sc2k4.com/excel/XS.zip
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

About Emerald selling so much on Day 1: The Japanese are smart enough to know the difference between the games and the crappy fad, whereas most Americans look at the fad and declare the games worse than Big Rigs. Damn them.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

What??? I remember seeing lots of posts from you about how much you liked Cloud and how you'd support him if MM lost. Now you're going to jump on the Link bandwagon against a character you supposedly love?

We determined that HM is senile. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

In order for Mega Man to be at a decent ranking (in relation to 02/03 Link), Link is really going to have to OWN Cloud. I don't think Mega Man got any weaker...the proportion between him and Knuckles are the same as last year, as Vercetti and Max Payne are close to what they should be in proportion, as well. Not to mention Tidus/Mega Man. I think Crono just got stronger. Maybe Mario got stronger, as well, but I'm always suspicious about that red plumber...maybe he just overperformed against Crono.

Let's hope Link wins with 57+%...I don't see any reason for it not to happen.

At the rate things are going from year to year, we might be seeing Cloud get 75% on Mario or something next year. x_x

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Infinite Earthquake TMs is enough of an incentive to buy it, I guess. I expect Linoone use to go through the roof now. ;)

No, really. The games are practically the only good part of Pokémon. Some people are smart enough to realize that... yet for some weird reasons the Pokémon players here would rather die than be caught voting for anything Pokémon (40% against Xenogears anyone?).
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Can today's match get 10000 votes in 4.5 hours?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Infinite Earthquake TMs is enough of an incentive to buy it, I guess

holy ****

I need this game, and how the hell do you do it?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

About Emerald selling so much on Day 1: The Japanese are smart enough to know the difference between the games and the crappy fad, whereas most Americans look at the fad and declare the games worse than Big Rigs. Damn them.

It isn't that bad. Ru/Sa sold 13 million copies and I think less than half were in Japan...

I think Link vs. Mega Man may actually get more votes than this match - it is losing about 400 votes everytime I update the update topic.

Or it might come out slightly ahead. But it won't be as high as it looked like it was going to be...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It definitely can, Ulti. First 100k+ match since the layout change... five months ago. Ew.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

I told my roommate about the picture contest and he decided to submit an image for tomorrow's contest. It looks pretty impressive to me. ^^

This is the full image:
http://www.geocities.com/lordofdabu/linkcloud.JPG

Here's the small version:
http://www.geocities.com/lordofdabu/lc.JPG

Think he has any chance of getting his image accepted?

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Can today's match get 10000 votes in 4.5 hours?

In the last hour:

"Updates Left: 22
Total Votes so far: 86307"

"Updates Left: 18
Total Votes so far: 89805"

Maybe. But it is only 3,658 votes ahead of Mario vs. Crono and falling behind by more...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Dabu, the large version looks awesome. It loses a lot when it becomes small, unfortunately. But go ahead and tell him to submit it.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

Infinite Earthquake TMs? IN EMERALD ONLY, use any Poké with the Pick Up ability (Linoone is best), raise it to at least level 91 (a hassle, I know), then it'll be able to pick up Earthquake TMs from time to time.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Infinite Earthquake TMs is enough of an incentive to buy it, I guess

holy ****

I need this game, and how the hell do you do it?

It's done through the Pick Up characteristic. A level 91-100 Pokemon with Pick up has a 1% chance of picking up TM26(Earthquake). You can also get TM01(Dynamic Punch) and TM44(Rest). Full listing here:
http://pokefor.greenchu.de/meowth346/gba/characteristicdata/
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

That pizzowns!!!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

What??? I remember seeing lots of posts from you about how much you liked Cloud and how you'd support him if MM lost. Now you're going to jump on the Link bandwagon against a character you supposedly love?

I'm senile, or so that's the conclusion. Aside from that I like both of them, and both rank three and four on my list.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

We determined that HM is senile. ;)

That we did. ^.~
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

If someone is senile, then they change their mind a lot.

HM changes his mind a lot, therefore he is senile.

John Kerry changes his mind a lot, so let me be the first to call him senile.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

HM changes his mind a lot, therefore he is senile.

Not a lot, just every so often I say something that I shouldn't have. Such as Link not being in my top 10.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Meh, I just needed an excuse to use the Law of Detachment.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Does the curse live on?
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My quote is my Sig, check it out.

About this match reaching 100,000:

19:45 | Cloud | 53370 | +0533 | 58.87% | Samus | 37295 | +0327 | 41.13% | Lead of 16075 | (Up 206)

"Updates Left: 17
Votes per update needed for Samus to catch up: 945.589
Cloud's % last update: 61.98%
Total Votes so far: 90665"

So it needs 9,335 in 17 Updates, or about 549 an update.

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

The number we saw every day in 2003 will finally return to us.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Too bad the whole contest didn't have 95,000+. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So, back to my question... in the event where Link doesn't absolutely destroy Cloud, should Megaman be raised to his 2003 value in the SFF-adjusted standings or do we let him rot in hell?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

So, back to my question... in the event where Link doesn't absolutely destroy Cloud, should Megaman be raised to his 2003 value in the SFF-adjusted standings or do we let him rot in hell?

I say let him languish under Sonic. I don't see any reason for there to be significant SFF in that division. But it just might be a reverse WDF.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

So, back to my question... in the event where Link doesn't absolutely destroy Cloud, should Megaman be raised to his 2003 value in the SFF-adjusted standings or do we let him rot in hell?

I would say no. Raising should be saved for SFF and only SFF. If we do too much tinkering it takes away from some of the effectiveness of the X-Stats even though your intention is the opposite.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

But someone, I don't remember who, mentioned that the only characters in 20XX to get any sort of increase compared to Link are Chief and Kefka, who seemingly overperformed like crazy (and Kefka had the benefit of having SFF last year, so Chief might actually be alone there).
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

seeing as everybody here so violently argued that there was no SFF in link/megaman (which is rediculous), it'd be quite hypocritical to agree to change the numbers for "SFF" then. Let him rot
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

Chief had the benefit of halo.bungie.org this year. Nobody really increased.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

If Link doesn't destroy Cloud, I swear it'll because of desperate Cloud vote-stuffers. Grr...don't you DARE ruin the extrapolated standings! :P

Okay, really, though, I guess we'll just let Mega Man rot...though I'll probably never have faith in extrapolated standings again.

People still think the WDF is a bunch of bologna...how about this: maybe Sephiroth overperformed a little against Link, Mario underperformed a little, and then Link grew a little from 2002 to 2003. That sound fair?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

mentioned that the only characters in 20XX to get any sort of increase compared to Link are Chief and Kefka

Because our friend Link went up. Now, if he doesn't win tomorrow, or it's very close, then I'm out of ideas.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog

So every character in the division, to no exception whatsoever (unlike even 2002 West, I might add) took a huge dive?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

As RPGuy pointed out, it's cause Link went up this year. If you compare the 20XX Characters relative to Cloud between 2003 and 2004, I'm sure others will have an increase or remain neutral.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Of course, that's all in the event where Cloud makes things interesting. It's all for naught if Link justifies his "prison *****" designation, duh.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

It's not like I'm suddenly denouncing the WDF...but if Link increased by 2% from '02 and '03, and Sephiroth overperformed by 2%, instead of Sephiroth simply overperforming by 5%, that would make a LITTLE bit of sense, wouldn't it?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

"Updates Left: 16
Votes per update needed for Samus to catch up: 1013.688
Cloud's % last update: 58.35%
Total Votes so far: 91527"

Needs 529 per update now. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I killed the topic. ;_;

Well it needs 490 votes per update now as of the 20:30 update.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If anybody who missed it wants me to post my bracket without Clinkeroth, nows your chance.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Alright, I've made my final adjustments heading into tomorrow. These stats are based upon Cloud beating Samus 59.00% - 41.00%, and then I have Link & Cloud drawing tomorrow just to see how things would look at that point.

With the stats I have, I think it's highly likely that Link will win tomorrow, so I put an asterik next to all of those folks that would experience a percentage drop with a Cloud loss (that, and with the asteriks up I think it makes it easier to see why I think Link will wind up winning).

As far as my methods of factoring in SFF go...I keep them to myself. :: insert evil laugh here ::


Extrapolated Standings, adjusted for SFF:

Link - 50.00%
*Cloud - 50.00%
*Sephiroth - 44.38%
*Samus Aran - 41.00%
Crono - 37.18%
*Sonic the Hedgehog - 34.84%
Mario - 34.77%
Mega Man - 32.39%

*Ryu - 30.98%
*Auron - 29.98%
Zero - 29.21%
*Squall Leonhart - 28.26%
*Sora - 28.00%
Solid Snake - 27.73%
*Vivi - 27.72%
Magus - 27.10%

Ganondorf - 27.02%
Frog - 26.96%
Master Chief - 26.96%
Liquid Snake - 26.93%
*Dante - 26.45%
*Kirby - 25.43%
Bowser - 25.31%
*Donkey Kong - 24.13%

*KOS-MOS - 23.46%
Alucard - 23.15%
Tidus - 22.82%
*Miles "Tails" Prower - 22.54%
Shadow the Hedgehog - 22.45%
Knuckles the Echidna - 22.44%
Tommy Vercetti - 22.29%
Yoshi - 22.23%

*Ryu Hayabusa - 21.44%
*Jill Valentine - 21.43%
*Scorpion - 21.08%
*Ness - 20.96%
Luigi - 20.56%
*Viewtiful Joe - 20.38%
*Bomberman - 19.92%
*Duke Nukem - 19.81%

*HK-47 - 19.29%
Kefka - 19.09%
*Jak - 18.83%
*Vyse - 18.59%
*Kain - 17.98%
Max Payne - 16.96%
Protoman - 16.85%
Conker - 16.37%

Crash Bandicoot - 15.79%
*Sam Fisher - 15.60%
*Laharl - 14.79%
*Lara Croft - 14.03%
*Gordon Freeman - 13.91%
*Terry Bogard - 13.35%
Pac-Man - 13.27%
CATS - 12.17%

*Sly Cooper - 12.10%
JC Denton - 11.45%
Earthworm Jim - 11.02%
Ryo Hazuki - 10.49%
*Ratchet - 10.43%
Luca Blight - 10.28%
Guybrush Threepwood - 8.61%
Tanner - 3.16%
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

I told my roommate about the picture contest and he decided to submit an image for tomorrow's contest. It looks pretty impressive to me. ^^

This is the full image:
http://www.geocities.com/lordofdabu/linkcloud.JPG

Here's the small version:
http://www.geocities.com/lordofdabu/lc.JPG

That picture looks awesome full size. Unfortunately, it's not as good at 200x125... it's a little hard to tell what's going on. But if CJayC were cool, he'd dedicate the whole main page to the final match and he'd use the 800x600 version of that picture. =)
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 124/144
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Cloud with 57.4%

^That 800x600 might make a good desktop.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Actually, I figured out part of the problem with the 200x125 image... it's scaled wrong.

800/600 = 1.33...
200/125 = 1.6

And indeed, it looks a whole lot better at small size if you take the 800x600 and scale it to 200x150. Your roommate still has a little time to try to make a correctly scaled 200x125 version if he wants to resubmit it.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 124/144
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Cloud with 57.4%

Well, the topics going pretty slow, so maybe this time somebody will actually respond to my bracket. If anyone has Slowflake's or anybody else's bracket's with Clinkeroth, it would be an interesting comparison, IMO.

Anyway, my Non-Clinkeroth Sc2k5 Bracket.

Divison 1

1) Mario
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Alucard
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Frog
13) Bass

6) Bowser
11) Carl Johnson

3) Ryu (SF)
14) Ridley

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Sonic
15) Toad
Division 2

1) Samus
16) Andross

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Auron
13) KOS-MOS

5) Zelda
12) Ken Masters

6) Squall
11) Ryu Hayabusa

3) Magus
14) Diddy Kong

7) Ness
10) Protoman

2) Solid Snake
15) Vyse

Division 3

1) Crono
16) Pac-Man

8) Luigi
9) Kefka

4) Sora
13) Ghaleon

5) Shadow the Hedgehog
12)Donkey Kong

6) Ganondorf
11) Raiden

3) Aeris
14) Falco

7) Yoshi
10) Knuckles

2) Zero
15) Duke Nukem

Division 4

1) Mega Man
16) Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno (open to suggestions)

5) Kirby
12) Dr. Wily

4) Dante
13) Jak

6) Liquid Snake
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Tidus
14) Jill Valentine

7) Vivi
10) Kerrigan

2) Master Chief
15) Laharl

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Really, I just don't know what to say about that bracket. Well, okay, Vincent has a legit shot of making the final four. Otherwise, nope, not a whole lot to say.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Vincent over Mario? Madness.
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Nintendo® - We Make Games Worth Playing

Cloud Strife 58.96% 57486
Samus Aran 41.04% 40014
TOTAL VOTES 97500

2500 votes in 1 hour and 55 minutes.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

I think we'll hit it.
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Nintendo® - We Make Games Worth Playing

"Vincent over Mario? Madness."

Hardly. It may not be so next year, but in time it will become clear that Vincent will be a very powerful character.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

It needs 2,687 votes or 335.875 votes per update. It received 678 votes last update.

^ From the updates topic. That was at the 22:00 Update.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I personally like Vincent/Frog, Ganondorf/Aeris, Serge/VJ, Ness/Protoman, Fox/Scorpion, Yoshi/Knux, and Luigi/Kefka the most in that bracket..
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Hardly. It may not be so next year, but in time it will become clear that Vincent will be a very powerful character.

After he gets his new game, but up until that point I wouldn't expect him to come in and rank into the "elite" set of character.
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Nintendo® - We Make Games Worth Playing

Don't forget Dante/Kirby :p
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I have 1337 karma >_>
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SC2k4: 141/144 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Cloud

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b63.php

My pic made it in, along with 7 others. All of them are awesome.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

Indeed. All of those pictures look fabulous.
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Nintendo® - We Make Games Worth Playing

Actually, there's one pic I don't like at all out of the 8. My favorite is eitehr the one with AC Cloud and the new Link with half of their faces showign or the so far concensus favorite with the two swords and the faces on the names.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

To bring this contest to a close I'm going to go with Link at 54.45% later tonight. The Hylian shouldn't disappoint.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

The faces pic is so much like my original vision before the contest started, it's scary. The only thing it's missing is having a half-Master Sword, half-Buster Sword separating them instead of a black line.
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David Bowie and Johnny Depp? What do they have to do with RPGs? Find out at www.rpgdl.com!

The best two pics are the Link hitting Cloud's sword while he's blocking with the AC background and the one with Link blocking Cloud's buster sword attack also with the AC background. They're easily the most interesting of the bunch. The background sets a nice mood for the match.

Cloud definitely has the advantage in the picture where he's attacking Link with the Advent Children background. I just don't like the way Link looks in that one.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Ceej didn't hold back on the match pictures this time.

Most of them are really awesome.

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September 29th, 2004: Once again, destiny(Cloud) has destroyed fate(Sephiroth).

*cough*

We're in the last two rounds of the Summer Contest, and if you think one of the characters has an unfair advantage in the poll picture, just refresh the page until the tables are turned! Of course, if you think you can do better, we are accepting submissions for the final battle artwork as well...

From the main page.

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the-elite.net
The Guru Scoreboard: http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/04SumGurus.xls
Contest Archives: geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs

Absolutely phenomenal match pics. The swords one is kickass, but I also really like the one where it's a full body pic of each outlined in their respective colors, with the face-only pic just above them.

I don't really care for the two with the Midgar setting, though, as they both seem rather Cloud-biased, whereas I could only see one that had a Link-background, and it's not the kind that the average voter might recognize.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

creativename, Ulti requested that I should post each separate Link vs Cloud pic so it leaves less trouble for you to put them up at the site. Do you want them each separate, together in the same document, or also along with all of the match pictures in the contest?
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Lonely Angel
Now, can I say ownage: http://img67.exs.cx/img67/2721/FinalFantasyVIIvsZeroWing_thumb.gif

Cloud Strife 58.98% 58981
Samus Aran 41.02% 41019
TOTAL VOTES 100000

Cool.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Great to see it. =)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Well Ulti, how about your choice?
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Lonely Angel
Now, can I say ownage: http://img67.exs.cx/img67/2721/FinalFantasyVIIvsZeroWing_thumb.gif

;-;

Tears of joy....
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Yay, I took a screen of exactly 100,000!

Wheeeee!
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It's-a me! Mario!
SMW > SM64 > SMB.3 > SMB. > SMW 2: YI > SMS > SMB. 2 > SMB.: LL

Heh, my roommate's pretty upset that his picture didn't make it. :(

I think the small size killed his. His original picture was 1600x1200 (and over 2 megs!). O_O It still makes a great wallpaper though.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Hey creativename:

http://www.freewebs.com/adamwestbatman/

Click on Link vs Cloud.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

The only Link vs. Cloud update I could find:

01:00 Link : 6452 | 48.59% || Cloud : 6827 | 51.41% | Update Votes | 2330 | lead of 375 | ( up 134 )

Creativename posted that. I wish there were more. It's going to be disappointing comparing vote totals at that time for both matches. >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Almost time for the Hylian to show his stuff...
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

LUE keeps ruining other people's days. One of the guys tied for #1 put 42 as his tiebreaker. XD

Anyways, 15 minutes until Link pounds Cloud.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 2

Meh, gonna put up another SC2K5 bracket of my own...and if you don't know who some of these characters are now, the odds are that you will come next summer.

1) Link
16) Leisure Suit Larry

8) Donkey Kong
9) Tidus

5) Ness
12) Aya Brea

4) Squall Leonhart
13) Rayne

6) Frog
11) Serge

3) Master Chief
14) Liquid Snake

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Lloyd Irving

2) Cloud
15) Bomberman


1) Solid Snake
16) Sub-Zero

8) Ganondorf
9) Aeris Gainsborough

5) Ryu
12) Max Payne

4) Zero
13) Rikku

6) Magus
11) Vyse

3) Mario
14) CATS

7) Alucard
10) Big Boss/Boss Snake

2) Sonic the Hedgehog
15) Crash Bandicoot


1) Mega Man
16) Ty the Tasmanian Tiger

8) Kefka
9) Yuna

5) Luigi
12) Miles "Tails" Prower

4) Kirby
13) Gordon Freeman

6) Bowser
11) Vivi

3) CJ
14) Pac-Man

7) Ryu Hayabusa
10) Fayt

2) Crono
15) Spyro the Dragon


1) Sephiroth
16) Lara Croft

8) Sora
9) Tommy Vercetti

5) Yoshi
12) Protoman

4) Dante
13) Sub-Zero

6) Vann
11) John Raimi

3) Auron
14) Geno

7) Shadow the Hedgehog
10) Knuckles the Echidna

2) Samus
15) Duke Nukem
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO CATS

Link vs Cloud 2003 updates:
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/LinkvsCloud.txt

I'm missing a few near the end though.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Link 72.55% 37
Cloud Strife 27.45% 14
TOTAL VOTES 51

Damn...
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Link shoots out to an early lead.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

The boards really dislike Cloud... can he come back?

Only time will tell...
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SC2k4: 156/160 Rank: T-66

I waited for my pic before I voted. It was awesome.

^_____^
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

go Link!!!
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I love it.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
*creator of Clinkeroth*

Everyone knew Link would jump out to the early lead. It's all a matter of whether or not Cloud can come back.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

55% predicted Cloud to reach the finals. o_O The prediction percentage dropped less than 6% from last round...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

that doesnt' mean we can't enjoy the early lead while it lasts : )
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10/3/04 12:00AM Link vs. Cloud
It's the final round of the third annual character battle, our two former champions facing off against one another to determine the most popular character on GameFAQs. Today's rotating battle artwork has been brought to you thanks to the following users: DanGC, FAHtastic, kaonashi1, Paul DiPietro (Zephirias), RPGuy96, stone, Tainted CHAOS, and Vic Rome. Thanks to all, and may the best man win!

^______^
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

The boards have always hated Cloud, but this wouldn't have happened last year. Maybe Link is as beefy as he looks. Of course, looking at the XSt of Link=Cloud looked really friggin' weird, so I was feeling like this might happen.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

100+ lead for Link at the moment.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

And now he's pushing. This is awesome.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
*creator of Clinkeroth*

Link shot forward there.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Link taking a 100 lead lead within the first 5 minutes is pretty damned amazing.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/LinkvsCloud.JPG

Kudos, TRE.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

I said it on Day One, I'll say it again.

No one can touch Reggie-lution Link.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An
Idiot: 2

No one can touch Reggie-lution Link.

I detest that nickname. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

hey rpguy, which pic is yours? I know you've got it posted here somewheres, but I'm too lazy too look : )

and if anyone else knows whos pic goes with who, I'ld like to know as well thx in advance
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Oh yeah, either retire Link for certain or only give him the most godawful Wind Waker pics imaginable.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Score-Brackets-% Right
144---0--------N/A
143---6--------100.0000000
142---16-------100.0000000
141---43-------100.0000000
140---66-------100.0000000
139---87-------100.0000000
138---89-------98.8764045
137---107------100.0000000
136---116------98.2758621
135---140------100.0000000
134---131------98.4732824
133---153------97.3856209
132---179------87.1508380
131---192------89.0625000
130---215------91.1627907
129---196------90.8163265
128---252------90.0793651
127---273------86.4468864
126---301------88.0398671
125---305------89.5081967
124---349------85.3868195
123---347------87.6080692
122---367------84.1961853
121---376------83.5106383
120---439------83.8268793
119---450------80.4444444
118---488------79.0983607
117---490------77.9591837
116---547------75.1371115
115---516------78.1007752
114---528------76.7045455
113---569------74.3409490
112---593------74.3676223
111---539------73.2838590
110---600------70.6666667
109---546------67.5824176
108---647------69.5517774
107---589------66.5534805
106---616------65.9090909
105---614------62.8664495
104---574------62.0209059
103---632------59.3354430
102---618------60.6796117
101---579------56.6493955
100---585------55.2136752
99----589------52.9711375
98----573------53.4031414
97----560------53.3928571
96----604------52.8145695
95----518------53.2818533
94----498------53.6144578
93----548------49.8175182
92----499------52.3046092
91----498------50.4016064
90----449------46.1024499
89----469------49.2537313
88----461------49.6746204
87----417------43.6450839
86----437------44.6224256
85----387------43.1524548
84----449------43.8752784
83----379------38.7862797
82----372------37.0967742
81----321------37.0716511
80----366------32.7868852
79----357------35.2941176
78----330------40.0000000
77----315------36.8253968
76----317------36.5930599
75----284------36.9718310
74----300------38.3333333
73----279------40.5017921
72----294------32.3129252
71----259------35.5212355
70----269------30.4832714
69----271------29.5202952
68----258------25.1937984
67----258------28.2945736
66----216------31.0185185
65----227------22.0264317
64----203------25.1231527
63----197------23.8578680
62----197------20.8121827
61----212------15.5660377
60----162------21.6049383
59----162------14.1975309
58----168------17.2619048
57----161------13.6645963
56----172------6.9767442
55----133------9.7744361
54----122------13.1147541
53----107------2.8037383
52----113------11.5044248
51----106------3.7735849
50----94-------4.2553191
49----92-------2.1739130
48----88-------0.0000000
47----72-------0.0000000
46----75-------1.3333333
45----71-------1.4084507
44----52-------0.0000000
43----56-------0.0000000
42----66-------0.0000000
41----52-------0.0000000
40----37-------2.7027027
39----47-------2.1276596

Nobody with a score of 38 or lower got the match right. The top 9 tiers scored 100% or very close to it. Not one person fell off the Top 50 after this match.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Check the sig. It's the "all (some) forms" one.
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"We ask for your strength...Thee who fear'eth the night and stand 'gainst the darkness." ~ Frog
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/5808/MatchPic.jpg

ah, very cool indeed, that one seems to be popping up alot for me
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No one can touch Reggie-lution Link.

http://reggie.fateback.com/pics/43.jpg

HUZZAH!!!!
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
*creator of Clinkeroth*

... If Link does this well (52 - 53.5%) during the night vote... *imagines morning and day vote*

*dies*
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

XD

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 2

*lives*


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Link will never have to worry about Cloud coming back. Tomorrow morning he shall gain.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Link 53.94% 1006
Cloud Strife 46.06% 859
TOTAL VOTES 1865

He hits 1000. =)
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

00:00 | Link | 00066 | +0066 | 70.21% | Cloud | 00028 | +0028 | 29.79% | Lead of 0038 | (Up 38)
00:15 | Link | 01058 | +0992 | 54.09% | Cloud | 00898 | +0870 | 45.91% | Lead of 0160 | (Up 122)

"Updates Left: 95
Votes per update needed for Cloud to catch up: 1.685
Link's % last update: 53.28%
Total Votes so far: 1956"

^.^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud is down by 165 votes after 15 minutes. He's done.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Cloud having to fight for anything seems wrong. This looks a lot more like 2k2 than 2k3, though it obviously has a few major differences.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I hope that when I wake up, Link will still be on the lead...
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Commander of The Link Army
Blades will bleed…Shields will shatter… and Link shall WIN!

Well, he's down, but he's not letting Link run away with it or anything.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Morning time is when Link runs away with it.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

This may sound strange, but perhaps 2k3 was the "odd" tournament, and not 2k2?

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 2

Cloud is getting some funny surges...

>_>
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Samus - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Samus (132/136)

Maybe, maybe not. Last year Link should have made some sort of comeback during the day but he did no such thing. These two are such heavyweights that they are probably near dead even in terms of capability of winning a given time.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Link is winning because of teh E3 Legend of Zelda GCN trailor..

sdg;jsylwjepotj wjswf ja; j;l1111;lj11l;shifrt11111

HEHEHEH. Can't blame a guy for tryin' eh?
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TT- Guy-"Hey hot alien girl you diggin' the scene?"
Starfire-" I did not know we were supposed to bring shovels?" ::all laugh::!

I think it's just more likely that Celda Link really did make him weaker.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 58/64 Next Pick: Link

I know. He keeps surging back to 140-ish...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud is getting some funny surges...

>_>

In more ways than one.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16661830

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Number Of Days I Haven't Had To Deal With An Idiot: 2

Cloud gets every bit of the day vote that Link does.

As much as I hate to say this, the match could very well come down to who cheats the best =(
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
++SCC GOD++ *Married to smitelf on 5/21/04*

Samus held Cloud from getting anything notable from the day vote. I have no doubt Link will be able to not only hold Cloud from getting anything, but gain from it himself. I'd label tonight as Cloud's best time and the day as Link's best time. If Cloud is losing now I can't possibly see him making it up tomorrow.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Cloud hasn't lost an inch since the last update, though. Basically, Link could be winning due to a few resentful board members, for all we know.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Like I said, I'd imagine this being Cloud's best time at doing something. He is doing a good job of keeping the lead between 140-160.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Nah, we're too close to the board vote. We move away from that, we move away from a small Link advantage. For all we know Cloud could be ready to move forward in about a half hour.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Now here's an odd thing to see...

2004-10-03 00:30:03 1731 1572 52.41% 47.59% 159
2004-10-03 00:30:00 1731 1570 52.44% 47.56% 161
2004-10-03 00:30:00 1731 1571 52.42% 47.58% 160
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Link is beginning to worry me a bit. ^_^;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

No worry from me. I'm going to head out now and do expect to wake up to a solid lead by Link.
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Crypptic completely owned me and showed me the light. Solid Snake is indeed the Best. Character. Ever.
SolidxSnake pwned me. Solid Snake > All.

Link is stalling.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

I'm liking the vote totals so far, anyone else? Looks like it's a bit ahead of yesterday's match, even this early.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Personally I'm not going to start worrying unless links lead drops below 100 votes
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

I just woke up and I really am extremely happy!

GO LINK!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 142/144 Rank: 8th

No worry from me. I'm going to head out now and do expect to wake up to a solid lead by Link.

Take that back Heroic Mario! please!!! that's exactly what you said last time!!!!!!!!! in sc!2k3
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Looks like we're already what, 400 votes ahead of yesterday's match? It's late, so if I'm doin' the math wrong don't be surprised. Anyway.... nobody is giving up ground yet.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

C'mon Link, get vengeance!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

Nice little jump for Link there.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
*creator of Clinkeroth*

2004-10-03 00:41:07 2192 2009 52.18% 47.82% 183


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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

Ahh, Link is laying out some beats now. Well, my bracket had Cloud, and if I'm to lose I'm to lose. At least, if my bracket goes down in flame then the better character (though not quite the best) will have won.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

2004-10-03 00:42:40 2249 2047 52.35% 47.65% 202
Looks like link is moving ahead slowly..
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

2004-10-03 00:47:16 2434 2202 52.50% 47.50% 232

Wow link is really starting to put a gap in between the two of them.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

I just found out that Chucat does his updates using his system computer. I was wondering why his had Link losing an update already. For me, the 00:30 update was (Up 0) and I was exactly on the 00:30:00 and 00:15:00.

... I just chose the lower number for Link (160 instead of 161) for the 00:15 update because I didn't notice that there were two 00:15:00's in the updater.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, it's somewhat safe to assume that Link has this. Now I just need him to hit 58,000 votes. DO IT!!!
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
*creator of Clinkeroth*

Cloud has given up. Link begins his attack .
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

tahg
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I'll give you kids some candy if you let me hump your dog - Space Moose
http://www.drunkanddisorderly.net/spacemoose/

This makes me sad... my dreams of an Oracle title are riding on Cloud (not that I expected him to win, but it was the only way I had a shot at first place).
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 140/160
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Cloud with 5%

Bump

Cloud, keeping it close just as I said.
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It's.... over.

While I want link to win, I want cloud to keep it close, because the closer cloud keeps it = the better samus does on this years xstats.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

But the worse Megaman does..
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

I want it to be close so we have a finale worth talking about!!!
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It's.... over.

In a way this is the best final yet, because the two characters in it aren't made by the same company for a change.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

wow I just checked those pages with all the statistics, I admire your dedication. peace brother XD
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http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/rpgsownyoursoul/

Guys, don't look now but Cloud is pulling the lead down very quickly. At this rate it's only a matter of time till he takes the lead.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Anyone think this could be CT-LttP again?
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Cloud is still cutting into the lead. If he keeps this up, he'll definitely take the lead. It would be interesting if this becomes like CT/LttP. That would be a good final match. ^_^

Nevertheless, Go Cloud!
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

I'm a sad panda watching this poll.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

Go Cloud. Go Link.

I don't know who I am should vote for. I like both.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest. My Ps2 collection: Kingdom Hearts.

It would be nice if this turned into a CT vs. LttP type match >_>
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Ahem! There's LETTUCE on my boots!
http://www.geocities.com/lettucekefka/

Lead under 200 now! Go Cloud! =D
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

And of course, back to over 200.

I'm going to sleep now, and I hope that when I wake up, Cloud is leading. If not, I hope it's at least still close.
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

Whoa, I wake up and see a competitive match, what a treat! With that said, Link should end up with 52% or so, he has been a beast in the morning/day/evening this year. Expect Link to pull away very soon. BTW how many match pics are there? I think I counted 5.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

There's 8 match pics... and Cloud is going to take the night vote from him.
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

I would also like it to be noted that I CALLED THIS!!! I SAID CLOSE MATCH WHEN EVERYONE ELSE SAID BLOWOUT FOR LINK!!!! >.<

Link/MM SFF startin to look a little more likely now huh?
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Wait for the AOL users to wake up.
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

There wasn't any SFF in Megaman VS Link.

Just see it like this:

Link and Cloud are very popular, so popular that Nintendo fans votes for Cloud if it's not an Nintendo character he's facing (Which explains why Sonic got owned)

Same goes for Squaresoft fans, they vote for Link if he isn't facing a Squaresoft character. (Which explains why Megaman got owned)

That also explains why Solid Snake lost to Crono...
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest. My Ps2 collection: Kingdom Hearts.

Come on Cloud... Beat the **** out of that pesky Link..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Tomorrow's Prediction: Cloud-50.5% : Link-49.5%

I think Link/MM SFF sounds more logical... >.<
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

The sad part is, most people ***** about a repeat. Now it's gonna happen. :(
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

100 votes? 100 VOTES?!? Whatever happened to the monster that decimated Megaman?!?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Note: Cloud had a 1500-2000 vote lead at this point.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

100 votes? 100 VOTES?!? Whatever happened to the monster that decimated Megaman?!?

Wait for the AOL users to wake up. It's only just 7am eastern.
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Part of me doesn't want to consider it but maybe Megaman actually decreased all along (along with Tidus and, possibly, even Solid Snake due to the Knuckles match)? Maybe we were just fooled for most of the tourney...

On the plus side, this means Samus looks like she has gained a ton as well.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

*shoves slowflake's words back down his mouth*

"Cloud will never have the lead!"

HAH!

I TOLD YOU THERE WAS LINK/MM SFF!!!! I TOLD YOU!!!!
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Yeah, right, and every character in 20XX save for Master Chief dropped a ton. I'm not buying this.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

I TOLD YOU THERE WAS LINK/MM SFF!!!! I TOLD YOU!!!!

Nobody can prove that you are wrong, but I still say no. IT's sad, since the blue bomber should do much better than what he did.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest. My Ps2 collection: Kingdom Hearts.

Nobody can prove that I was wrong, and no one can explain this.... so what's the logical thing to do?
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

Wait until Cloud actually takes the lead... hehe, the day vote's coming too.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 136/144 - Matches: 57/61 - Rank: 00415/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

sorry Slowflake, i didn't mean to sound like a raving idiot. This match just has me excited, because I was right for once... close match, as opposed to the blowout everyone was calling.
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"You take outside too seriously. Its not like you're gonna die if you don't go outside. Play a video game or something." - Princess Anri

lol I love this, people declaring Cloud done already, and now he's coming back like a bullet. But what about Link's 54%? lol go Cloud
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Current SC2K4 Score: 141/144
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

In other news, I'm in the process of making the X-Sts Excel file. It should be ready late this morning or in the early afternoon if all goes well.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

I actually liked the WW Link.

>_>

<_<

>_<

Anyway, Cloud should have the lead in thirty minutes.
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SC2K4 ~ 59/61 ~ 139/144
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

LttP Link vs Covenant Cloud
OoT Link vs FFVII Cloud
Cell Link vs Bat Cloud
Reggie Link vs Advent Cloud

Where's mah Cel-shaded Link? =P
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Cloud Strife 50.00%
Sephiroth 44.00%
Samus Aran 40.99%
Sonic the Hedgehog 34.83%
Ryu 30.97%
Auron 28.42%
Sora 28.00%
Dante 26.45%
Vivi 26.18%
Squall Leonhart 23.79%
KOS-MOS 23.46%
Donkey Kong 22.79%
Miles "Tails" Prower 22.54%
Ryu Hayabusa 21.43%
Jill Valentine 21.42%
Kirby 21.41%
Viewtiful Joe 20.37%
Scorpion 19.98%
Ness 19.87%
Duke Nukem 19.81%
HK-47 19.29%
Vyse 18.59%
Jak 17.85%
Bomberman 16.77%
Sam Fisher 15.60%
Kain 15.13%
Laharl 14.79%
Lara Croft 14.44%
Gordon Freeman 13.91%
Terry Bogard 13.35%
Sly Cooper 11.99%
Ratchet 10.43%
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SC2K4 Score: 152/160
Today's Pick: Link

Ryu 30.97%
Auron 28.42%
Sora 28.00%
Dante 26.45%

This is one hell of a 4-pack.
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

*sigh* I can't seem to make the SFF-adjusted standings work. Damn. No Excel file... besides, it's not like someone else can't do it when the contest is over.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Anyone care to work out what result would be needed for Ryu to finish ahead of Snake?
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Jon Thomson - 128 and out
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Where's Heroic Mario.. He said that Link will have no trouble beating Cloud and will be surprised if this is a close match.. Well.. He is eating his words if he sees this.. Just because Link blows out Megaman don't mean squat against Cloud this round.. Whoever said this was going to be a blowout was just proven wrong..

BTW... I like HM and he is one of my favorite users..
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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Tomorrow's Prediction: Cloud-50.5% : Link-49.5%

Well is Sonic > Mega Man then Ryu > Snake. XD
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Well, I did say that too. And I'm happy to eat my hat, and so much for thinking retiring champions is a good idea. Not that I ever thought that in the first place.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

How're we doing vote-total-wise?
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SC2K4 ~ 60/62 ~ 155/160
Prince Reva, you just want Kerry to win because he supports *** marriage. ~BEthstardust

Astounding. 18000 votes 5 hours in.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 152/160 - Matches: 58/62 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Surely it must be ahead of Cloud/Samus, but how much are we looking at?
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Current score: 147/160 Next match: Cloud. Go Link!!!

Go Link!!!

I hope it's 50/50 all day.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 158/160 Rank: 8th GO LINK!

Who do you guys think will take the day time vote and the night time vote?? Or will it be split 50-50 the whole way through?

IMHO.. I seriously think Link will have a slight edge during the daytime while Cloud will have a bigger edge during night time... I see Cloud being the victor at the end..

*points to sig from yesterday*

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Tomorrow's Prediction: Cloud-50.5% : Link-49.5%