Another day, another stats topic just in case the other one closes while I'm at work. Later.

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

***Miscellaneous***

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Poor Heroic Mario...
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"Open your useless mouth again during operations and you'll be shot." ~ Lloyd, Front Mission

I really wanted Mega Man to do well... just for a change.

But Link vs. Cloud should be even closer than last year. And it's the final match. Could be worse... but not by much.


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Current score 91/104 :( Next match: Mega Man

[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]

Too bad Cloud is going down tomorrow....
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SC2K4 Score: 94/96(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

Sephiroth will win tomorrow, and I'll finally be in the top 50. yay!
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Yes. Cloud is going down tomorrow. It's time to muster up my Heroic Mario-like hope and confidence that tells me Sephiroth shall win the contest.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
102/104/192 Next tough pick: Sephiroth

Ulti, stop doing this in your first post, k?

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm


Reminds me of those "more potato" potato chips from a couple years ago.

>_>



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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

HM got pwnd by Snake...big time.

Actually, with him whining the whole time saying MegaMan will win, it most likely made up a ton of votes for Snake.
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Score:98/104 Todays Pick: Mega Man
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

Just like how Ulti making his DK pick public gained him massive bracket support against Vivi.....
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Wg64z, I've never seen someone go through such a concentrated effort to make yourself look better by trying to tell me I'm wrong constantly. You get applause for wasting so much time doing such.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

...and Go Snake!
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=16514869 Petition: Bring SC2K5 to Board 8!
SC2k4: 108/112 Rank: T-91

I want to toss this back out again: Fox McCloud or Tails, who would win?


I'd pick Tails in a close one.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'd definitely go with Fox McCloud.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

502 post that was an actual contest post! Huzzah!

And here it is:

You wanna see my Square characters?

(1) Sephiroth
(1) Cloud Strife
(2) Crono
(3) Magus Zeal
(3) Aeris Gainsborough
(4) Squall Leonhart
(4) Tidus
(5) Auron
(6) Vivi Ornitier
(6) Frog
(7) Terra Branford
(8) Sora
(10) Vincent Valentine
(10) Serge

I can't add any more Square characters without getting SFF in there, so somebody has to go. And I don't like Sora. But I'm not making any changes until I know that FFXII is out and popular.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

I can't add any more Square characters without getting SFF in there, so somebody has to go. And I don't like Sora.

So I guess Sora is 2005's Aeris then.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

If Star Fox Armada rocks and sells well, Fox. Otherwise, Tails
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

As mentioned in the other topic by me, this would be awesome to see next year in a division...

(1) Solid Snake
(2) Sonic
(3) Master Chief
(4) Zero
(6) Magus
(14) Kerrigan

Thats the kind of division I want to see next year Harrich. I'd even add Mario in there.

Thought about adding Mario, but I think that'd be better off leaving him in a division where he'd be a 1/2-seed, and the other top-seed in the division is Samus. For those of us who look into stats, it'd be a matter of statistical power VS being higher up on the Nintendo totem pole.

I'd pick Mario to be able to beat Samus this year, but I'd pick Samus next year.








First 501 post ever, by the way. Bad-ass.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Just don't add a FFXII character, simple as that. The game isn't even scheduled to come out before the next contest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

I hope CJayC doesnt hold this contest to 10 anymore.

I want to toss this back out again: Fox McCloud or Tails, who would win?

I'd side with Tails, in a match that looks closer on paper than it probably would be in real life.
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Edge Eblan faces his greatest challenge to date at www.rpgdl.com - getting a piece of Emerald WEAPON!

I forgot (8) Zidane Tribal on my Square list.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Let's not forget how badass Fox looks in SF2:

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/481/481615/img_2297637.html

=p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

I forgot (8) Zidane Tribal on my Square list.

I personally don't really see Zidane or Serge in a contest anytime soon. I mean, Zidane's the main character of FF9, but definitely not the most popular character. Vincent, maybe.. but it depends when DoC comes out. Likely not in 2005, but 2006, sure..

Sora, I'd say, is pretty much here to stay for quite awhile, like him or not. I thought he was all right, personally.

This contest does need another FFVI character(sorry Kefka, you're cool and all but you had your chance.), and it needs a FFIV character(I'd see Kain over Edge personally)!
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Serge needs to say... just because.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

I personally don't really see Zidane or Serge in a contest anytime soon. I mean, Zidane's the main character of FF9, but definitely not the most popular character. Vincent, maybe.. but it depends when DoC comes out. Likely not in 2005, but 2006, sure..

I have Zidane in because, as Leonhart pointed out, Zidane/Raiden is deliciously evil. And Vincent would be a decent midcarder at worst, and a bit higher than Aeris at best.

This contest does need another FFVI character(sorry Kefka, you're cool and all but you had your chance.), and it needs a FFIV character(I'd see Kain over Edge personally)!

It pained me, but I kicked Kefka out. And FFIV has no where near the popularity of VI, so no IV characters from me. They'd be fodder.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Well, CJayC seemed to hint that Serge would have made it in had it not been for the cap. He was one of the big characters the board tried to get nominated into the contest.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Eh, I don't know what to post for a tag...
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Mega Man vs. Snake - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Snake (100/104)

I do remember a large assembled effort to get Serge into the contest. I know I'll be nominating him next year, so hopefully he'll make it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Yeah, I was one of those who nominated Serge. He definitely deserves a shot.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I'd see him doing well, myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Goddamnit. >_<

Does anyone have the 18:30 update? Look at this link:

http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1775

The closest ones that I have to it are 18:24:24 and 18:34:52.

Please me their vote totals at that time if you have it - within 15 seconds of the 18:30 mark if you can.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*give
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh yeah, and for the Sonic-Samus match picture:

Spin Dash vs. Screw Attack, anyone?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

We need a division with:

1. Mario
2. Solid Snake
3. Sonic
4. Magus
5. Zero
6. Shadow
7. Scorpion
8. Kirby
9. Donkey Kong
10. Sub-Zero
11. Knuckles
12. Kerrigan
13. Ken
14. Tina Armstrong
15. Lara Croft
16. CATS

Most. Setup. Division. Ever.

But damn, would those matches be sweeeeeet.
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SubSonicZero has returned, Sub-Zero vs. Scorpion Poll please!

It doesn't seem like these nomination deals don't work. Some of you guys tried Serge.. others tried Slayer from Guilty Gear(I got in on that!), but they didn't make it. JC Danton and Tanner did though.. who the heck nominated those guys?

I still see Tanner back.. his performance might have just gotten him cult status. Well, just enough cult status to see how badly Link or Cloud just kill him. After 2005 though, he's gonna be gone, definitely.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

tagzorz
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Pug
Proud Member of the Gordon Freeman Army

Fox looks alright, and Falco looked cool...but where in the blue hell is Peppy!!!
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

There's no way that Tanner will have the "cult status" of CATS, and he's barely got enough to get into the contest. As I said, Serge's only hindrance to getting into the contest was the company cap.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

My bracket is not based on nominations. Heck, the only characters in the bottom 32 that returned for my bracket are Sam Fisher, Sora, Ken, Tails, Bomberman, Vyse, Fox, Freeman, Ness, and Raiden, and many of those look stronger this year.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Peppy was old and senile in Star Fox Adventures, so I'm guessing he probably retired.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I think Sora can be included even with the limit. Technically, he's disney isn't he?
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Wednesday 9/29/04
Showdown of Fate

There's no way that Tanner will have the "cult status" of CATS, and he's barely got enough to get into the contest. As I said, Serge's only hindrance to getting into the contest was the company cap.

Company cap.. 10 characters per company?

Hmm.. I didn't think about that. I'll look over my v1 bracket and make changes where need be.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Can anybody tell me what Guybrush Threepwood would be expected to get on Tanner?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

The company cap sucks.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Yes, Sora is considered Disney, otherwise Tidus doesn't make the contest.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I know you guys are discussing things, but can someone please check the updater to see if they have better times than I do for the 18:30 point? =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Can anybody tell me what Guybrush Threepwood would be expected to get on Tanner?

The universe will asplode before the end of the poll.

Seriously.. hmm.. who knows? 60%?
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Im not a big fan of Chrono Cross's character. I thought the shear number really detracted from the game. You can't try to have that many fully-developed characters and succeed. And because of this many characters just are flat. Serge is one of those undynamic characters.

Fox looks alright, and Falco looked cool...but where in the blue hell is Peppy!!!

Peppy retired and is now the R&D guy who stays back with ROB64 in the Great Fox. He's a little to old to head out into an Arwing and do those daring missions it seems. =p Krystal has taken his position in the fourth Arwing.

Also, to get a better look at Fox's design and Peppy:

http://img11.exs.cx/img11/537/NewFoxDesign.jpg
http://img11.exs.cx/img11/4368/PeppyHare.jpg
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

sry : (
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Nope, we all get the same times for the updater. The times that appear are when someone visits it.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Extrapolated wise? Wouldnt Threepwood still pull 80+ on Tanner?
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

The company cap sucks.

Yes, yes it does.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Hey if you guys don't mind could you take my little survey?

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16585855
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Wednesday 9/29/04
Showdown of Fate

Well ****. I guess I'll just use one of those two times.... =(

Or would I be better off skipping that update? I have no idea what to do when I can't get a good number for the update...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

The only character who wouldn't at least double Tanner is Mr. Driller.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Serge is one of those undynamic characters.

Serge is like Crono, and both of them rock.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Can anybody tell me what Guybrush Threepwood would be expected to get on Tanner?

80.59%, based on Bowser and Snake's 2k3 values. Ouch.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

No because Crono you could get a lot of the personality out by his actions and how others responded to him.

Serge just was flat. He was just glue.

Also I was never a big fan of the story anyway. Seemed like their one goal was to make the Chrono timeline MORE CONFUSING.

I didn't have a single problem with Serge. I liked him a lot, actually.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Speaking of StarFox, is McLoud guy in F-Zero Fox's dad?
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

Well you also loved Cloud's personality. I personally like characters who are dynamic and real.

I didn't have a single problem with Serge. I liked him a lot, actually.

I don't have a problem with him either. He seemed cool enough. Wasn't that developed as a 'mute' character as Crono was but didn't have a problem with the guy.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Link over Cloud
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

The only two things I liked in Chrono Cross were the music and MasterMune/Duel Einlanzer X~Strike. So I guess I like Serge.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Serge has as much personality and character as Crono does, and a lot more relevance to the storyline.

Although...Crono's mom > Serge's mom
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

In other news: die megaman percentage die!!!

around 57.13 at the moment
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Uhhh, yeah its implied its his dad... or atleast a very convienant situations.

Speaking of StarFox, is McLoud guy in F-Zero Fox's dad?

That'd be James McCloud, and I don't know, but he has an awesome ending video. ;)
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

I didnt have an overall problem with Serge. He was just blah...

Well you also loved Cloud's personality.

Yes, which should show you I like good characters.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Well you also loved Cloud's personality. I personally like characters who are dynamic and real.

As do I, and I like Cloud. He's a very human character, with frailties and weaknesses. That's part of the reason why Zidane is one of my lesser favorite FF leads (though I still think he's great). He seems to have no inherent character flaws or conflicts.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Well if your favorite Square RPG characters were Ashley Riot, Locke, Magus and Celes, then it show you like good characters

I think Cloud's original character was good. The headstrong, determined character who was actually just desperate for some human interaction.

Not the Cloud that later just became a weak tool.

Speaking of StarFox, is McLoud guy in F-Zero Fox's dad?

That was just Nintendo having a little fun. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Well if your favorite Square RPG characters were Ashley Riot, Locke, Magus and Celes, then it show you like good characters

Locke and Magus are both very cool, but Magus isn't even my top CT character. Locke is my favorite FFVI character though.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Not the Cloud that later just became a weak tool.

He ceases to be a weak tool once he finds himself.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Extrapotated.... heh.

And HaRRicH, did you get your game in the mail yet?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Not the Cloud that later just became a weak tool.

You'll notice that Cloud isn't a "weak tool" after a certain part of the game. I liked Cloud at every part throughout that game.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

No I found Cloud to be a tool up until the end of the game. The more I think about it, I dont know if its just my complete distaste of that plot point which turned me off of Cloud. But where the goes the plot, so goes the characters.

Actually. I was thinking.

All Squall was is a poorly, poorly executed version of the early version of Cloud.

...Except that he actually isn't.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

No I think I got it right.

Headstrong? Check
Ultimately just wants some human interaction? Check

The only thing is unlike Cloud, they made Squall completely unlikeable.

Been meaning to ask if ya sent it yet or not Ulti. Either way, I haven't gone home from college campus in about three weeks, so I don't know yet. Next time I talk to my parents or when I leave for home on Friday, whichever comes first, I'll find out for ya.

I'm sure my brother thanks you, by the way.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Headstrong? Check
Ultimately just wants some human interaction? Check

Whoa! They have two similar traits! Squall MUST be based on Cloud! I'm convinced!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

And Squall didn't initially want any human interaction anyway because he was afraid of becoming too attached. It was Rinoa who opened him up.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

With less than four hours left in the poll I can hope that Mega Man will be able to hold over 57% of the vote. The last I checked it went up to 57.18% and hasn't look to decrease any, without making it back up, so far tonight. I'm hopin' it'll hold.

Oh and go Cloud!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Okay fine. I can find one huge difference. Cloud was a character, despite his faults, that was ultimately likeable.

Squall was a douchebag. I didn't feel sorry for him. I didn't like him, because if he was a real person I want to seriously punch him in the face. He isn't a tragic hero, he isn't a Byronic Hero. He is a protoganist who just isn't likeable. Which is fine, but not when they try to make him likeable and change his personality half-way through to acheieve that. Except, that made me hate him even more, because now he was an unlikeable conformist.

Sorry Leonhart, I HATE Squall.

I'd just like to but in and say I have a mild dislike of Squall, but I hate Rinoa. A lot. And I hate very few video game characters.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Squall's personality didn't actually change. It was just his inner self coming to the exterior, but whatever. If you don't like him, that's fine. Can't really say he's an unlikeable character though since I'm living proof that he is.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I'm liking how Mega Man just increased by 0.02%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Well H, did you tell your bro that something was coming his way?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Told him the day after ya chose my lil' essay so he could pick the game, so he knows it's coming. He doesn't have a clue when though, so I'm probably gonna send it without warning him. Heh, he had a hard-as-hell time believing I actually bothered to try that for him, so I had to show him what I wrote before he believed me enough to pick a game.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I sent the game to the address that you e-mailed to me around a week ago. I imagine that it's showed up by now, considering Aeon and Xenobi have both gotten their stuff. Whose house was that, anyway?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

You guys post too much.... I have a big theory/analysis about this contest, but I'll wait until the end. It can only be validated at the end of the contest anyways.... Stay tuned.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

It was sent to my house; I wasn't sure how soon you got the games nor did I know the address for where Dylan and Amanda (my bro and newly-wedded wife) was gonna be on the Navy base in South Carolina. Now, I still don't know that stuff, but my mom's got that information, so he'll be gettin' it soon.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

You guys post too much.... I have a big theory/analysis about this contest, but I'll wait until the end. It can only be validated at the end of the contest anyways.... Stay tuned.....

What's the fun of posting if you can't be wrong?
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Solid needs to make up a fifth of a percent in 3.5 hours? Umm... so what is going in my sig HM? =(
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=16514869 Petition: Bring SC2K5 to Board 8!
SC2k4: 108/112 Rank: T-91

"I personally don't really see Zidane or Serge in a contest anytime soon."

Really? Cause, ya know, Ceej basically said that Serge only missed this year's contest because of the cap.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Aeris > all cap-caused snubs
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

(3) Aeris Gainsborough
(14) Bass
(6) Zelda
(11) Ken Masters

We need that match to find out.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Zelda would be the only one I would worry about, at all. I fear not of Bass, and Ken is a good bit weaker than Ryu. Even then, I would take Aeris over Zelda right now.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16515790

HEH.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Zelda would be the only one I would worry about, at all. I fear not of Bass, and Ken is a good bit weaker than Ryu. Even then, I would take Aeris over Zelda right now.

Well, yeah, I was talking about Aeris/Zelda. The other two came along because I copy/pasted from my bracket. I'd pick Aeris, too, but it would be fairly close.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Fairly close? I wouldn't hesitate to pick Aeris.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Fairly close as in within 55%. Closer if Zelda XI gets here on time.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

FF:AC would help keep Zelda from gaining much ground on Aeris.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Ok, I have a question. I asked earlier on what basis is Link considered to have stayed the same from 2k2 to 2k3 and I was pointed to the paragraph with the explanation of the extrapolated ranking comparisons. Does everyone here agree with that?

I'm not good with stats (the only reason I got an A out of engineering stats is because our professor basically gave us all of the answers), but the only people that Link went up against in 2004 who weren't either new or potential SFF victims were Tidus and Cloud... Tidus did do a little better according to the extrapolated, and we all know how Cloud improved. But couldn't there be a possibility that Link dropped from 2k2 to 2k3 and is simply returning back to a 2k2ish level?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't think AC is going to do a whole lot for the FFVII cast. I could very well be wrong, though, given what KH did.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Well, when we use Link as constant, 15 out of 34 characters experience of change of less than 2%. 3 go up due to KHF (Cloud, Squall, Seph), 3 change due to SFF (DK, Pac Man, Pikachu), 1 by TJF (Gordon), and 2 go up randomly (Alucard and Dante). 5 get drawn down by WDF (Sonic, Samus, Mega Man, Ryu, Ken), and 3 just fall (Bomberman, Raziel, and Ryo), probably due to lack of new games.

So you only have 5 out of 34 changing significantly, and some of those are explainable, too. So Link being constant seems like a pretty good assumption.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Went up against meaning directly connected to that is....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Actually, last time I checked, we were under the assumption that it was very likely that Link increased by a couple %. The reason we don't adjust for that in comparative rankings? Because if Link increased 2% then everybody would have increased quite similar in comparison to him and it wouldn't make any difference.

As long as we use Link as the yard stick each year all that matters is each character's relation to him. If he grew and they looked stable, they grew. If they "lost" as much as he gained, they stayed the same.

The only time this doesn't work is if you were to say, insert Ganon's expected % against Link from 2k3 in place of a direct match with Link that had SFF.

If Link gained this year and we don't take that into account it will make Ganon look stronger when he may not be.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

You're under the assumption that Link increased by a few percent in 2k3? If that's the case, what basis is that on? I understand HOW the comparisons work, but I'm trying to figure out what exactly in 2k3 allowed that assumption to be made.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Is that picture real?? That "pwned by ulti" looks... too clean. He could have photoshopped it with someone elses ass lol.
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Current Score: 21/22
Next Pick: ViVi

I have a score of 92...good or bad?

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llll \|/ llll GO CANADA GO
llll ¯|¯ llll I'M BAAAAAAAACK

*tag until I have something useful to say*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

WW came between the two contests, so it's quite logical. There are not enough characters lumped together in one spot to make any real guesses, other than the characters in the +1-2% range, and they seem strange. The math is complex, and it'd take a real genius to point out any deffinite gain/loss/standstill from Link, and you'd have to find a character that actually was constant to do it.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Okay, I'm looking at the comparisons though and a lot more characters increased than decreased. And what's noticable about those decreases is that Fox, Pikachu, and Samus could all be SFF. Sonic, Mega Man, Raziel, and Jill all went up against either Cloud, Sephiroth, or Squall. Tails went up against Auron.... I'm getting to a pattern that I'll touch on in a sec. The only oddballs are Ryu and Ken.

Now let's say in 2k2 that Cloud was robbed by Mario and should have then went on to beat Crono and face Link in the finals. Looking at Sephiroth's score, let's say Cloud would have gotten 45-46% on Link. So if this year, Link beat Cloud 55-45% this year, would it be said that Link increased? And what would be the reason? Zelda 10? I'd have to disagree with that. We've seen all of one trailer. I would say that all the trailer did (and the corresponding matches in this contest) is brought back the image of Link that everyone has grown to love (as seen in 2k2). So if this was INDEED the final result, can it be safe to say that this could very well be a possibility? This is basically part one of my theory... Can someone challenge this for me? I have some more theory afterwards...
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I've always believed that if Cloud had won against Mario, he would have come closest to beating Link and possibly even have beaten him back then. Who knows.

Cloud being much lower than Sephiroth in the extrapolated standings in 2002 is just not right.

"So if this year, Link beat Cloud 55-45% this year, would it be said that Link increased?"

Yes. It would likely be said as such. From what we've seen so far it doesn't look like Cloud has really decrease any, and if he has it's only slightly. It all depends... if his wins over MM (in the long run, once we have the math to make sure of MM's increase) and Cloud line up with CATS and Crono (Which just seem a little too close to eachother, especialy when considering Crono did as expected on Mario when using Conker) then it'd be rediculous to say that basically everyone else dropped and Link stayed the same.

"brought back the image of Link that everyone has grown to love"

I haven't seen the trailer, but I'm fairly certain Link isn't a sprite of any sort, so it's not the Link that everyone has grown to love.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I can only think to blame temporary insanity for having Ryu H. going to the final 4.

Sadly the rest of my bracker is perfect since KOS-MOS/Ryu in the first round.

"I haven't seen the trailer, but I'm fairly certain Link isn't a sprite of any sort, so it's not the Link that everyone has grown to love."


Link's popularity exploded after OoT, not before that. So he was correct in his statement.

"Link's popularity exploded after OoT, not before that."

That so? Cause, you know, the original Zelda sold almost as much as OoT in a time where video games were a lot less mainstream. Oh, and the original Zelda was also the first game to sell over a million copies without having to be packaged in with a system. I'd have to say that in terms of video gaming as a whole, Zelda has always been a big deal.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

So you stated OoT sold more than older zeldas.

Any new gamer will have only known the new zelda, and love him for that.

A lot of of the old gamers who loved the old, probably also love the new, and I'm sure a great amount prefer the new.

All new + some old = fan favorite of the newer zelda look.
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

I haven't seen the trailer, but I'm fairly certain Link isn't a sprite of any sort, so it's not the Link that everyone has grown to love.

>_< You know what I meant. The "Adult Link" image that a lot of people on GameFAQS love. That's a better rephrase of it. With the average GameFAQs user probably being teenaged, I would say that OoT gave Link a huge boost of popularity among the GameFAQS user demographic (not overall... it pains me to see some people on here say they haven't even PLAYED LttP and write it off *shudders*).

We all know how big the Zelda franchise is overall. I'm trying to line this up with the GameFAQs population though. I'll post the second part of my theory next...

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

"So you stated OoT sold more than older zeldas."

Barely.

"Any new gamer will have only known the new zelda, and love him for that."

Right, because Nintendo hasn't given away free copies of Zelda collectors edition and hasn't re-released Zelda 1 and 3 on the GBA already (with 2 on the way). Yep, there's no way any new gamers couldn't know about the old Zeldas at all.

"A lot of of the old gamers who loved the old, probably also love the new, and I'm sure a great amount prefer the new."

I loved the old games, still do, don't love the new ones. I'm not the only one. And while I'll readily admit that's mostly anecdotal, the last part of that "point" is purely absurd. Old school gamers are far, far more likely to enjoy old school games more. I'm not sure what sort of backwards logic you were trying to use there, but it is very, very false.

"All new + some old = fan favorite of the newer zelda look."

I'm not completely sure what the hell you're trying to say, but yeah... this is probably the best looking Link in a console Zelda since LttP.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"That so? Cause, you know, the original Zelda sold almost as much as OoT in a time where video games were a lot less mainstream. Oh, and the original Zelda was also the first game to sell over a million copies without having to be packaged in with a system."

That still doesn't disprove the point that interest in Link picked up to a far greater extent after OoT. His recognizability went up far higher as he was introduced to a wider audience that had previously only known so much about him. Link was always mainstream, but he became the mainstream giant he is today because of OoT.

His recognizability went up far higher as he was introduced to a wider audience that had previously only known so much about him. Link was always mainstream, but he became the mainstream giant he is today because of OoT.

How could Link become any more mainstream among the average person? He was the second face of Nintendo! He had his own cartoon, he guest starred in Captain N... he was a cereal, for crying out loud! Maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember watching the SMBSS first-run, but I can't think of a time that Link wasn't well known.
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Edge Eblan faces his greatest challenge to date at www.rpgdl.com - getting a piece of Emerald WEAPON!

Because Link was still not Mario. Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who owned a Nintendo back then was as fond of Link as they were of Mario. Like I said, he was mainstream, but not as mainstream as he is today and that can be attributed largely to OoT.

42%, Zero almost got 44%. I guess Zero would win over Solid Snake then.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.96/104

31.34% had the Blue Bomber winning his namesake division. Good for him.
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Edge Eblan faces his greatest challenge to date at www.rpgdl.com - getting a piece of Emerald WEAPON!

And all of them had to be the top 29 with me. :( I can't shake these guys.

Go Cloud!
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 110/112 Rank: 10th

cmon sephiroth hold together just a bitttttttt further
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:39.62 || HRC 37,592.3 ||
Currently Tied for 1429th place

Aaaaaand.... It's over for Sephiroth. He had a nice run, better luck next year.

"How could Link become any more mainstream among the average person? He was the second face of Nintendo! He had his own cartoon, he guest starred in Captain N... he was a cereal, for crying out loud! Maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember watching the SMBSS first-run, but I can't think of a time that Link wasn't well known."

I'd have loved to bring up all those points, but I figured they wouldn't do much good for some of these sad people. Anywho, this should...

1987 NES Legend of Zelda 6.51
1988 NES Zelda II: Adventure of Link 4.38
1992 SNES The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 4.61
1993 GB The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 3.83
1998 N64 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 7.60
1998 CGB The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX 2.22
2000 N64 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3.36
2001 CGB The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons 3.96
2001 CGB The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages 3.96
2002 GBA The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past / Four Swords 1.89
2003 GCN The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 3.07


The data is 6 months old, LttP/FS has almost no doubt surpassed 2 mil meaning that Zelda 1 and Zelda 3 both reached out to almost as large of an audience as OoT.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Score-Brackets-% Right
104---1--------100.0000000
103---7--------100.0000000
102---21-------100.0000000
101---61-------96.7213115
100---101------99.0099010
99----129------95.3488372
98----139------91.3669065
97----165------90.9090909
96----193------87.5647668
95----256------80.4687500
94----276------79.7101449
93----327------74.3119266
92----372------73.9247312
91----418------66.7464115
90----479------65.7620042
89----512------58.7890625
88----633------57.9778831
87----669------57.3991031
86----770------52.5974026
85----776------48.3247423
84----921------48.2084691
83----917------43.2933479
82----987------42.3505572
81----1023-----40.0782014
80----1077-----37.1402043
79----1074-----34.7299814
78----1099-----30.5732484
77----1053-----27.6353276
76----1147-----27.4629468
75----1098-----24.1347905
74----1066-----23.3583490
73----1037-----22.2757956
72----1043-----19.3672100
71----954------21.4884696
70----975------19.8974359
69----940------17.6595745
68----943------16.2248144
67----776------16.8814433
66----730------14.6575342
65----692------16.9075145
64----718------13.6490251
63----605------15.0413223
62----553------13.2007233
61----506------13.8339921
60----431------13.6890951
59----429------13.0536131
58----366------10.3825137
57----350------12.8571429
56----320------12.1875000
55----276------14.1304348
54----247------12.9554656
53----239------12.9707113
52----208------12.5000000
51----208------16.8269231
50----190------12.6315789
49----168------7.7380952
48----147------12.2448980
47----136------14.7058824
46----128------9.3750000
45----116------9.4827586
44----94-------6.3829787
43----82-------6.0975610
42----90-------4.4444444
41----71-------8.4507042
40----64-------7.8125000
39----59-------8.4745763
38----53-------11.3207547
37----52-------3.8461538
36----37-------5.4054054
35----42-------4.7619048
34----36-------2.7777778
33----28-------3.5714286
32----23-------0.0000000
31----22-------9.0909091
30----21-------9.5238095
29----12-------0.0000000
28----16-------6.2500000

Nobody with a score of 27 or lower got the match right. The top tiers continued to score in the high 90's but it quickly falls as you approach the bottom tiers. Mega Man is underestimated yet again by the bracket makers. Nobody fell off the Top 50 today but a lot of people will after this match.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

"Because Link was still not Mario."

And he still isn't.

"Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who owned a Nintendo back then was as fond of Link as they were of Mario."

Yeah, but most people who played both prefered Link.

"Like I said, he was mainstream, but not as mainstream as he is today and that can be attributed largely to OoT."

Link is still far, far away from Mario's status. In fact, he isn't really any closer to Mario than he ever was. Simply put, Mario will always ecplise Link in the mainstream even if Nintedo does release more Zeldas than Marios. But the fact of the matter is, whenever they decide to release Mario128 you will see why Mario is the Nintendo icon. Not Link, Not Samus... Mario.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Yes, I think most of us here can agree Mario owns that title.

On a side note, Cloud is currently KILLING Sephiroth. If this percentage keeps up, Cloud will have beaten Sephiroth by a far greater margin than last year and with less voters.

...you know what else is interesting about that data:

1987 NES Legend of Zelda 6.51
1988 NES Zelda II: Adventure of Link 4.38
1992 SNES The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 4.61
1993 GB The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 3.83
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1998 N64 The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 7.60
1998 CGB The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX 2.22
2000 N64 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3.36
2001 CGB The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons 3.96
2001 CGB The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages 3.96
2002 GBA The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past / Four Swords 1.89
2003 GCN The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker 3.07

four games in eleven years, versus seven games in five.

oot might not be the first time link got exposure...but it was definitely a turning point.
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redline15: blasting off at the speed of light

Cloud Strife 55% 550
Sephiroth 45% 450
TOTAL VOTES 1000

thats the 1000 split. and 100 vote lead
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

Okay, so in my last explanation, I said that Link could have potentially dropped in 2k3 and now has increased back to his previous level with his former image on display. Now what about Cloud and Sephiroth's increase? As of now, the explanation for their increase is Kingdom Hearts. Valid... but I don't think that's it. Look at the people who have dropped from 2k2 to 2k3. Sonic, Mega Man, Jill, Tails, Raziel.... What do they have in common? They all went up against Square characters. Now those Square characters are Cloud, Sephiroth, Squall and Auron (who was SFF'd by Cloud). All due to Kingdom Hearts right? Well.....

What about Crono? It has been said that 3000 votes were proxied for Crono in his match against Mario in 2k2. In 2k3, the match was said to be legit, yet it was still as close as 2k2. Why hasn't there been any explanation for Crono's increase? I admit that Kingdom Hearts did have an impact, but with Crono's increase as well it looks like 2k3's high vote totals may have benefitted Square as a whole. In addition to the increases of Cloud, Sephiroth, Squall, and Crono, Magus and Auron stepped in and made strong showings. What about Aeris? Well she did decent against Snake and did a little better against Sonic. But it's shown that in 2k3 that Snake and Sonic were near equal in strength. That wasn't the case in 2k2 however, and if the voting increase DID affect the Square characters, then it directly affected Sonic's performance. In this situation, doing well on Solid Snake to doing even better on Sonic really WAS an increase for Aeris. Tidus? He increased a little, but I think it may be safe to say that the Square increase wasn't linear. The more popular characters benefited the most from this. There's still a lot of speculating to do.

Of course, this is all based on Link beating Cloud by a sizable margin. I know there are a lot of holes, such as Ryu's performance against Snake and Sonic. I'm still working on this... which is why I said I'd give a full explanation after the contest. It's still all just a theory. But this COULD be an alternate explanation WITHOUT using the extrapolated rankings. I just wanted to share what I was thinking. I haven't touched on everything, but it's late.... I'll get back to it.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

"Yes, I think most of us here can agree Mario owns that title."

Indeed. And for as much as people seem to think otherwise, I think if these summer contests would have ranged back as far as the early days of NES that Link would have beaten Mario the majority of the time, except the year or possibly 2 proceeding any of his major releases (Mario 3, Mario World, Mario 64). I think from 88-89 would have been his for sure, and 90 would have been a damn tough fight, what with Mario 3 hitting in the early part of that year, and 91 would be Mario's... but 92-96 would be in favor of Link again.

Not saying that those two would win it for sure those years, just saying who would be more popular in those years based on the general taste of GF users.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"four games in eleven years, versus seven games in five."

Of those "seven" two are re-releases of older games and two are meant to be linked together in a way that they should really be considered a single game. We certainly don't go out of our way to consider Pokemon Red and Pokemon Blue two different games and I don't think the oracle games should be either. So really, we're sorta just talking 4 and 4.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Oh, and back to more relevant topics... I just read the last few posts about Link. You guys are taking what I meant about Link the wrong way. It's not about how well known Link has been.... I don't see how he could increase in that. It's how POPULAR he became as a character after OoT. Not overall exposure. There's a difference.

Oh yeah, and I love to see that Zero has performed better than Solid Snake DIRECTLY as opposed to Magus performing better than Sonic by .01% indirectly. Zero is bad assed. I'd welcome him into the elite anyday.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Funny that, the period we allot to the "board vote" favored Cloud. Now, I knw we all love to think that it is the board vote, but I know damn well that Cloud is one of the most despised characters on this board, even more so than Sephiroth... obviously bracket voters account for far more in the first 15 minutes than board members.

Anywho, Seph is catching up in % as the poll extends, which is good.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"It's how POPULAR he became as a character after OoT."

In terms of the people who would visit GF and vote in a summer contest, I can assure you that OoT didn't do much more than any other game in the series.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

lol, I forgot all about the match being up now. *votes for Cloud* I never really cared for Sephiroth....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I was really hopin' Seph would keep this in the 48-52 range. Sure, he has time to stabalize the match into that area, but he could be doing better.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Seph with 47%, now.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

He's still rising in % fairly quickly, though he dropped below 47% again, and we haven't but begun to stabalize. He should probably do as expected. Makes Vivi look so damn good.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

True, that may be so. I'm basing my thought on the whole Adult Link image and people complaining that Wind Waker Link looked "kiddy". If OoT never existed and Wind Waker had been the next Zelda released, I can safely say that there probably wouldn't have been any complaints at all.... Which is sad.... Wind Waker is my second favorite Zelda game after A Link to the Past.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

oh, and to comment on the snake pics from last round, does anyone really think that they impacted anything at all? Granted they were horrible, but, the name is there, I don't think the casual voter would miss the name, and that's what's really more important.

This is from the last topic, but I'm really surprised how much people don't want to believe that the picture can make a difference. I'm certain the picture matters. In a normal match, people don't necessarily agree who has the better picture, and the effect is clearly minimal. But when the picture is as lopsided as Frog/Snake, it has to make a difference. No, it's not going to cause a fan to change their vote, but not everyone has a strong opinion on every match. There are a significant number of voters who have never played either game. All those people have to go off are the pictures, the names, and the characters' reputations. If one character looks like crap (literally), why wouldn't it affect the decision of someone who doesn't already have a strong opinion on the match? There's really no reason the name would be more important than the picture when it comes to a character you don't know well. If anything, it's the other way around. In Snake/Frog, I wouldn't be surprised if Snake could have been 5% higher or more with a better pic.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 108/112
Current Oracle ranking: 3rd | Pick: Cloud with 52.75%

I have plenty to see on the current argument, but by the time I actually respond it will have been over. I will say that people who played both did not prefer Link to Mario. There are more than plenty who preferred the latter to the former, and there's even a large amount who do today.

Oh and good job by Cloud to hold it a 55-45 at the moment and for Mega Man to stay above 57%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

hopefully.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man

And my bracket eats itself. Ah well.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16590606

The board selected Link, Cloud, Sephiroth and Samus as the number 1 seeds. Listed topic is to choose the number 2 seeds and decide the divisions for the number 1 seeds.
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Jon Thomson - today: Mega Man, tomorrow: Sephiroth - 96/104
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Wow just wow, Cloud is coming out to an impressive start, looks like this one is over, and people can now stop saying Link has this for sure.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 109/112
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Whoa. Impressive showing there by Cloud. Perhaps his best yet. Comes off as no surprise that he wins. But by that much, it's... interesting.

Poor Tomoyo. I've missed FOUR matches, and I'm going to be tied with her (it IS a her, right?) after today. Ouch. But let's just say picking Sephiroth for the championship is not the most intelligent move one could make from the get-go.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Go Cloud go, but make it a lil' interesting too. Oh, and what does the extrapolated rankings say about the 20XX Division?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

That if anything, Snake took a hard fall, and Chief's improvement isn't all it's cranked up to be.

We'll only know for sure when Megaman faces Link though.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

........

Have I mentioned I hate Cloud? I knew this sizeable victory was coming (See: Various topics, Prophet challenge) but damnet, I still had a small hope...

Link. You will destroy Cloud. Onward to victory.
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SC2K4 Score: 94/96(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

What would Sephiroth[Auron] be expected to get on Cloud[Vyse]?

I was wondering how close this percentage is to that one.

Also, I finished the MM vs. Solid Snake updates, but I won't be able to post it until I get home. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*Whistles One Winged Angel sadly*
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Oh, and also, what is Sephiroth[Auron] expected to get on Link[Crono]?

I'm planning on making updates for this match later, too. I had hoped it would be more interesting, but whatever. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This is bad for the contest...


Now that we have two clearly ahead of the pack...what reason for a contest next year? The only reason I can see is for the hits.
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SC2K4 Score: 110/120 Next Tough Pick: Link over Sep...Cloud.
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UltarEmpire.

Cloud didnt give the impression that he rose any, and Sephiroth didnt give off any indication that he fell at all (though I'll admit his first few rounds didnt make it look like he could win...)....is this maybe just increased SFF brought on by Sephy getting the shaft in the AC coverage so far?


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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I thought that his 66 or 67% (I can't remember the exact number right now...) he got against Auron might mean he had dropped...

It's part of the reason why I want to know what Sephiroth[Auron] would get on Cloud[Vyse]; to see if the stats would've predicted this if people had looked.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I thought that his 66 or 67% (I can't remember the exact number right now...) he got against Auron might mean he had dropped...

It would mean that he had dropped assuming that Cloud got no SFF on Auron whatsoever. What it did show, i think, is that Sephy couldnt get SFF to work in his favor - which would play right into what is happening today.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Now that we have two clearly ahead of the pack...what reason for a contest next year? The only reason I can see is for the hits.

Things will be shaken up next year among the top dogs...

Zelda 10 hype/release
FF:AC
Metroid Prime 2 and Metroid Prime Hunters
Metal Gear Solid 3 and Metal Gear Acid (I think that's the name?)
Halo 2

...those five series can shake things up. I also hope CJay has the poll at the top of the page next year, so voting patterns and casual favorites can change a lil' too to make things rougher to predict. Oh, and yes, I put Halo 2 in on purpose; Master chief can and will be a force to be reckoned with next year. Not championship material, but he can beat Sonic and maybe Solid Snake next year.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

This is lame. I'm surprised Sephy is doing so badly.

*cries*
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 96/100, Next Winner: Mega Man

Mario's also got two great looking titles, although restricted to the DS, coming out soon as well. Next year should be much better for picking a different winner than it was this year.

Great performance by Cloud though. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

I noticed, depending on how much Cloud increases throughout the day and how well Samus does tomorrow it wouldn't surprise me to see her ahead of Sephiroth in the X-sts.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Hey, what happened to that Noble 9 presidential race topic?
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Can Cloud break 56%?

Next Victim: Samus

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Sephiroth

Looks like that topic got deleted, crap.

Right when it looks like Link has the contest wrapped up, Cloud gives a performance to match it.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

This match is far from over.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
102/104/192 Next tough pick: Sephiroth

Denial sure is great, isn't it?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

It's not denial, it's hope. If Cloud gets 3200 votes or so ahead, then I'll concede defeat.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
110/112/192 Next tough pick: Sephiroth

Look I'm a die hard Sephiroth fan and all, but I know when it's over. Cloud has a 2,000 vote lead at about 6 hours and 30 minutes. And there's nothing that can happen that'll make Sephiroth come back. This won't even be interesting.... I hate Cloud.
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Wednesday 9/29/04
Showdown of Fate

Gah... I hate overhyped garbage.
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SC2k4: 108/112 Rank: T-89

Of those "seven" two are re-releases of older games and two are meant to be linked together in a way that they should really be considered a single game. We certainly don't go out of our way to consider Pokemon Red and Pokemon Blue two different games and I don't think the oracle games should be either. So really, we're sorta just talking 4 and 4.

Have you ever even PLAYED the Oracle games? They have different storylines, different dungeons, different items, different puzzles, different overworlds, and pretty much everything else but the game engine itself is not shared between the two.

They are different games.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

well, today makes for yet another boring match. i thought Sephiroth would put up a bi tmore of a fight than this.

looks like noone posted this yet:

X-Stats for 20xx Division:

50.00% Megaman
43.99% Zero
42.81% Solid Snake
41.62% Frog
41.62% Master Cheif
41.58% Liquid Snake
35.22% Tidus
34.65% Shadow the Hedgehog
34.64% Knuckles
33.59% Tommy Vercetti
29.47% Kefka
25.56% Max Payne
24.88% Protoman
24.38% Crash Bandicoot
17.02% Earthworm Jim
04.88% Tanner

interesting notes-

- the first thing that jumps out at me in this division is this:


34.65% Shadow the Hedgehog
34.64% Knuckles

two sidekicks/villains from the same series that are basically identical in strength. it make a heckuva lot more sense (to me anyways) for Shadow to be on the same level as Knuckles than to be on the same level as Magus and Zero. but i still can't explain why he did so much better last year. maybe the complete lack of bracketmaker support finished off Shadow. either way, i definitely can't explain why Tidus dropped so much.

- that's right. Zero has busted into the Top 10 and he's going to be ahead of Solid Snake. i wouldn't be surprised to see him ahead of Sonic, too.

- Protoman appears to be the only character in the whole division to suffer from the dreaded SFF. yet, he was still stronger than Crap Bandicoot.

- if Megaman gets at least 35.58% against Link, then Earthworm Jim will also be ranked ahead of Ganondorf.

- if Megaman gets at least 40.88% against Link, then Tanner's X-Stat value will be BELOW 4%. man that's pitiful. but still not as pitiful as Adventure's 3.31% Spring X-Stat value.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Have you ever even PLAYED the Oracle games? They have different storylines, different dungeons, different items, different puzzles, different overworlds, and pretty much everything else but the game engine itself is not shared between the two.

well, i have indeed played and beat both Oracle games and i can tell you this.......

SPOILER ALERT
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the Oracle games really were an excellent chapter of the Zelda series though. i played the Oracle games around the same time i played Wind Waker and the Oracle games were superior in every way except the graphics and music.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

So what's tomorrow's prediction for everyone?

Samus - 56.5%
Sonic - 43.5%

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Sephiroth

for tomorrow, Sonic doesn't look any weaker than last year and Smus appears a little stronger, so i call Samus with 53 or 54%.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

If Samus is only able to handle 43% on Sonic.. Then...

Cloud will win by 63%.. =)

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Samus

I'm beginning to think Sephiroth truly got weaker between contests and Vivi and Auron DID suffer SFF in reasonable amounts. The opposite never made any sense to me, and that's why I pretty much wrote off Sephiroth days before the match.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Well.. i am not sure if Sephiroth decreased or not.. but he will still be ranked #3 this year since Cloud will beat Samus by more than he beat Sephy..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Samus

Cloud is still slowly increasing his percentage... I am sure he will break 56%

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Samus

Cloud and Link will meet in the finals, the undisputed Masters of this tournament. While that means that the Final Four matches are basically decided, it also means we could and probably will, have the most exciting finals ever.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Somebody asked for Cloud [Vyse] and Seph [Auron], but I'm going to use Seph[Vivi] instead because I don't know if you wanted the adjusted Auron or not.

Sephiroth [Vivi] gets 47.74% on Cloud [Vyse]

Seph based on an SFF adjusted Auron would probably get worse, but I don't have time to calculate it now.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

It really has been all about Cloud as of late with Advent Children and Chain of Memories. His role WAS bigger in Kingdom Hearts. Maybe Sephiroth was riding on his coattails because of that....

Looking at the other hero vs. villain matches, maybe it was a sign that this match would end up like this as well. And if this match is legit, then maybe last year's final was the anomaly. Also, with the results looking like this, maybe the Planet Gamecube fiasco really DID make a significant impact on Cloud. If that's the case and this result is accurate, Cloud might have done MUCH better on Link than Sephiroth did in 2k2. Things that make you go hmmmm.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Cloud might have done MUCH better on Link than Sephiroth did in 2k2. Things that make you go hmmmm.....

If you believe in WDF, consider that Seph getting 38.57% on Link puts him under a non PGC affected Cloud and corresponds with Samus, Mega Man, CATS, and Ryu's 2k3 numbers perfectly.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

RPGuy96, can you answer these questions?

What would Link[Crono] get on Sephiroth[Auron]?
What would Cloud[Vyse] get on Sephiroth[Auron]?

Thank you. =)

Also, I was bored and checked Link's average percentage per match so far: 80.07%

@_@
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Does any1 else think that Sephy still =cloud and this SFF other than me....

Because it seems to me thats the most logical thing to explain it (there is no way sephy lost 5% from last year, there would be no reason for it)
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

It's possible... But why would there be SFF now when there was none before?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I've been telling some people that this idea isn't far fetched:

Advent Children trailers have shown Cloud a lot in new footage and Seph has only had that one fire scene so far. On this site, I really think that made all the difference as many fans in between might be swayed to vote Cloud more after witnessing those trailers. Cloud is seriously laying a beating to Sephiroth and looking to pass 56%. Ouch Seph.

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Human beings are like rabbits: they're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly and reproduce like mad.

Perhaps the loss of casual voters hurts Sephiroth more than it does Cloud.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

either way, i definitely can't explain why Tidus dropped so much.

Tidus didn't drop. Mega Man overperformed.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Quick question. What does WDF mean? I've been seeing that around a bit and I can't figure it out.
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Summer Contest2K4 Status: 107/112 Today's Pick: Cloud

West Division Factor, which caused most of the characters who were in the 2002 West Division to mysteriously drop by a significant amount in 2003.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

A Cloud vs. Sephiroth match isn't a fair gadge of Sephiroth's abilities. When dealing with characters of the same game, the main character seems to always win (read into that how you will, but to my knowledge the Cloud/Sephiroth rivally is the closest of all the same game matches we've seen like MegaMan/Zero, Link/Ganon, Crono/Magus, etc). If Cloud wasn't in the tournament then Sephiroth might actually have a shot at filling his shoes for the most part, but as long as he has to face Cloud at some point, right now it looks to me as though he can't accomplish that for reasons beyond his general popularity.

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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony!
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

Well, it's weird that Cloud is already almost ahead of the FINAL margin that he beat Sephiroth with last year.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

But then, why would Seph do a whole 4 points worse than last year? Either the AC trailers created SFF for this match, or Sephiroth really got weaker and yet SFFed Vivi and Auron.

One more reason why you people should've voted for Donkey Kong.

On another subject, does anyone have a link or something to sales of previous generation consoles (NES, SNES, PS1, stuff like that)?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

That I'm not as sure about. It could be less about Sephiroth and more about Cloud. Last year Cloud had recently beated what many believe to have one of the biggest fanbases in GameFAQs, Link. The votes of resentful Link fans could have been keeping Sephiroth up higher. This year the worst Cloud had to beat was Squall and I doubt beating Squall could provide a potentional backlash greater then that of beating Link. Ofcourse all of this is guess work...

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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony!
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

- if Megaman gets at least 35.58% against Link, then Earthworm Jim will also be ranked ahead of Ganondorf.

Mega Man can and almost certainly will break that; the only thing keeping me from guaranteeing it is so I don't jinx it. Now, how high would Mega Man have to score in order for Tanner to pull ahead of Ganondorf...wait, whaddya mean 437%?!

- if Megaman gets at least 40.88% against Link, then Tanner's X-Stat value will be BELOW 4%.

...would you mean "at most 40.88%", or am I reading it wrong?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

...perhaps bracket-votes? *gets shot* I don't buy it either, but I think it'd help a lil, and that's something he didn't have for him last year. Also, I could buy that Sephiroth would be cooler among casuals.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'm really starting to think that bracket voters matter. It makes sense when you have lower vote totals, too.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Everything seems more volatile in such a match. Bracket votes, anti-champion votes... SFF is defined by that volatility, among other things.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Bracket votes would make since why Snake scored surprisingly high yesterday as well.
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Jesus is awesome.
Board Wanderer. SC2k4 Bracket: 109/112 CLOUD'D

Yah, I wanted to use the bracket-voter arguement for Sephiroth's short fall this time around too but I decided against it. While it's appears that more people predicted Sephiroth winning then Cloud last time, I don't think this had a significant impact on the results.

At this point of the contest the vast majority of people are out of the running and no longer care about their brackets. I believe that bracket-voting is really only a significant factor in the first and maybe even second rounds.

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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony!
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

Snake? Surprisingly high? YOU have to be high to think that.

I may write a Winners and Losers thingy after the contest, and you know damn well who's going to be the Turd of the Contest.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

I guess the whole anti-votes based on the fact that a character is a past winner is thrown out, after all, the finals are looking like Link vs. Cloud
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Current SC2K4 Score: 109/112
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

I think CJayC will have to throw in some new elements to this contest next year if he expects people to keep coming to it. The way things are going, the winner is going to be Link or Cloud every year; it'll most likely be one of them in a few days, and then next year, once Zelda 10 and Advent Children have their impact, one of those two will almost certainly win it again. Unless there's some kind of major change in next year's contest, people are going to really lose interest.

What would be funny is maybe to have a WORST character ever contest...that would be kind of hard to predict, wouldn't it? My vote would definitely go to Seymour.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

He wasn't surprisingly high by any means; he did a lil' better than what I expected, but nothing really worth complimenting. Plus...

52.73% of people had Mega Man gettin' to the Elite Eight.
50.43% of people had Solid Snake gettin' to the Elite Eight.
31.34% of people had Mega Man getting to the Final Four.

...I think Mega Man had bracket-votes on his side, anyways.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I guess the whole anti-votes based on the fact that a character is a past winner is thrown out, after all, the finals are looking like Link vs. Cloud

I don't think Link had a large anti-vote either. The entire idea behind an anti-vote is that your voting against a character rather then for him. If that's the case then the opponent is irrelevent, and yet, look how crushing a defeat Link gave to AiAi. If there was a major anti-vote, it should have been in effect there too, shouldn't it have?

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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony!
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

What would be funny is maybe to have a WORST character ever contest...that would be kind of hard to predict, wouldn't it? My vote would definitely go to Seymour.

I think it'd be really interesting if one or more of the Best character ever people got into the worst as well. I'm not talking about some of the less popular ones like CATS, I'm talking about ones like Cloud or Link.

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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony!
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

RPGuy96, can you answer these questions?

What would Link[Crono] get on Sephiroth[Auron]?
What would Cloud[Vyse] get on Sephiroth[Auron]?

Sorry it's taking me so long, I was at class. Stupid real life...

Anyway, using a static Dante and Sonic to get an adjusted Auron value through Auron/Tails, here's the results:

Sephiroth [Auron] gets 43.3% on Link [Crono[Mario]]
Sephiroth [Auron] gets 46.83% on Cloud [Vyse]

The low value against Link is more Link being dominant than Seph being weak, although Seph did underperform in Seph/Auron. Reverse SFF? *shrugs*

I think CJayC will have to throw in some new elements to this contest next year if he expects people to keep coming to it.

Or he could, y'know, make a decent bracket.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

I may write a Winners and Losers thingy after the contest, and you know damn well who's going to be the Turd of the Contest.

Mario deserves it far more than Solid Snake does.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

It's all in Megaman's hands now.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Know what I just now realized? In Cloud's last ten matches (going all the way back to Cloud/CATS here), his opponent has jumped out to the early lead in seven of them, including every match this contest.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Cloud 55.65%
Sephy 44.35%

Sephy = Omnislash'd

Fuh, I just have to say that.

Even though this is just an SFF match, I'm still glad that Cloud is doing better than last year.

I have higher hopes of him beating Link now.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

And I read that way too fast. Anyway, thought I'd throw this out there:

Link [Crono[Mario]] would be expected to get 49.42% on Cloud [Sephiroth]

Hopefully we'll have a good final.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

My theory is still that Sephy suffered small SFF last year. Very small - likely under a percent total, but still there. Cloud would have been stronger than him anyway, but this would have made Sephy stronger than Link. I by no means believe that Sephy was stronger than Cloud, but anyone who looks at this current match and still says that SFF played no role at all in last years finals is delusional.

Cloud, this year, has been receiving a decent amount of hype for Advent children. And by decent amount, i mean TONS. The trailers feature almost solely Cloud. As a result, even though Sephiroth didnt take much of drop in terms of overall strength, his complete lack of exposure made him take some losses in the SFF area - he can't get SFF as much on other characters, and Cloud, who actually HAS received exposure, is suddenly able to SFF him much more than he was able to before.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I by no means believe that Sephy was stronger than Cloud, but anyone who looks at this current match and still says that SFF played no role at all in last years finals is delusional.

There was no SFF in last year's finals. There is SFF in this year's match. SFF is a fickle thing.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Link vs. Cloud is surely going to be an interesting and controversial match..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Samus

Well I'm willing to bet this finals match will be closer than any other contests finals
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Current SC2K4 Score: 109/112
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Well I'm willing to bet this finals match will be closer than any other contests finals

I surely hope so.

It's fun to see Cloud stomping everyone in his path, but it would be boring if he won unchallenged like Link did in 2002.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Measely fifth of a percent (grumble, grumble). HM, let me know what to put in my sig, ooh great one.
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SC2k4: 108/112 Rank: T-91

Cloud and Link will certainly challenge each other, no worries there.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Link/Cloud will be a ****ing epic. Mark my words.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

Good because I wanna see a A Link to the past/Chrono Trigger type of match where the winner isn't decided until the end, or one like Frog and Master Chief, nothing beats winning by 7 votes, well unless you win by 1,2,3,4,5 or 6 votes.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 109/112
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Right now I'd give the upper hand to Link, but it should be a good match.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

"Link/Cloud will be a ****ing epic. Mark my words."

Unless it turns out like last year where Link just never fought back.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

... I'm thinking Link will fight back this year. And he tried to fight back in the morning last year, and then gave it up during the rest of the match.

Link [Crono[Mario]] would be expected to get 49.42% on Cloud [Sephiroth]

Does this match actually mean that, though? Is that value for Link [Crono[Mario]] vs. Cloud [Sephiroth] assuming that Sephiroth did not drop or that there is no SFF in this match?

I can't help but feel like Sephiroth either dropped, is suffering SFF or some combination of the two, because Cloud hasn't given any indication that he has risen in his non-SFF matches - they place him at about the same as last year.

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It's strange how I don't see anymore Samus upsetting Cloud...

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Samus

I can't help but feel like Sephiroth either dropped, is suffering SFF or some combination of the two, because Cloud hasn't given any indication that he has risen in his non-SFF matches - they place him at about the same as last year.

I agree, and that number assumes a constant Seph. I think he's fallen and Cloud's stayed constant, with Link increasing, which is why I'd give the upper hand to Link.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

But is there really any proof that Sephiroth dropped? Personally I think both Link and Cloud have gone up, and the finals will tell which one has risen more.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 109/112
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

There's no proof Seph dropped because Seph has not had a match where we can easily compare numbers yet.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Well either he got 67.70% against Auron just by himself and he couldn't get SFF, or that value was with SFF and he actually dropped.

I don't really know the answer, but I have to lean towards him dropping...
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

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Sorry, that was old. >_>

Link vs. Crono at 10:59:49 had 37,124 votes
Cloud vs. Sephiroth at 10:59:48 had 36,838 votes

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ok, I'm sorry, but is there any way to "Prove" there was zero SFF in the finals last year?

I'm all ears.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Looks like Sephy is gaining percentage, slowly...not really much to look into though.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

I can't wait to make updates. ^_^

I'm curious to see how high of a percentage Cloud has managed to get in a single update and whether Cloud lost any updates.

I'll be pretty damn impressed if this is a complete shut out. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ok, I'm sorry, but is there any way to "Prove" there was zero SFF in the finals last year?

I'm all ears.

I believe creativename proved it a couple of topics ago. Basically, no one outside of Seph's 8 pack has shown any signs of increasing for no reason. And a half percent SFF is the same as 0 SFF for all intents and purposes.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

...and those who thought Samus could make a serious run at Cloud, thanks for playing. Well actually, I will wait until she doesn't get 60%+ on Sonic tomorrow. Realistically, I will be shocked if she puts up 55%. I just cannot see her having gained 5 full percent on the same character since the first tournament. Last year, I would argue, with the large voter turnout, and thus the higher casual vote, a direct match-up between those two, XS be damned, may very well have had Sonic coming out on top. But with voting down a good 20k+, and Samus apparently getting a large boost this year from <insert whatever reason here>, the blue blur will have to wait another year for his shot at the title.
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SC2k4: 116/120 Rank: T-89

tnote....you realize she gained most lilely well over 5% from Metroid Prime right?

When she beat Sonic the first time...she had not starred in a game since before GameFAQs was made.
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pso rules.

Pre 2002: Metroid, Metroid 2, Super Metroid.

Post 2002: Metroid Prime, Metroid Fusion, Metriod Zero Mission.

She's doubled her amount of games, and yet won't increase against Sonic, who's fallen? I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Samus at 60%, and I'm still hoping for a doubling.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Well if your favorite Square RPG characters were Ashley Riot, Locke, Magus and Celes, then it show you like good characters

Actually, it would show that you were elitist.
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SC2K4 ~ 55/57 ~ 99/104
But if they make it multi-console, it just might do it. ~sidharta on Metroid Prime 2

Vote Total Comparison

Sora/Samus
12:15:27
Sora - 17194
Samus - 32763

Cloud/Seph
12:15:34
Cloud - 23745
Seph - 19077

Kind of disappointing vote totals for this match.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Official World Record Holder: Mega Man X (100%), Solstice, Super Mario World

^ Maybe it's because this is a school day and Sora/Samus was on the weekend. -_-;
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

RPGuy - I've never said that the percentage of SFF would be more than half a percent or so. I even said I didnt think the SFF was all that big in the post that you originally commented on of mine.

However, I feel its obvious that there must have been some SFF in that match. And while SFF in such small amounts is normally negligible, in this case an amount of SFF on the order of half a percent would have given Sephy an upper hand over Link last year. When the margin in that small, and both of the competitors involved as high in the standings as they are, i think its still an important distinction.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Oops. Thought Prime came out before SC2k2. SSB:M probably would help also, no? Still don't think she's going to get more than 55%, but if she slightly defeats my benchmark, I will at least have something to tie it to.
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SC2k4: 116/120 Rank: T-89

Question: is it better to have two good final four matches (Link/Cloud and (Mega Man/Crono)/(Sephiroth/Samus)) and a blowout final or a good final (Link/Cloud) and boring semi's (Link/(Seph/Samus) and Cloud/(Mega/Crono))?
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Two close matches>One close match, so give me Link/Sephiroth, Cloud/Mario, Sonic/Crono and Samus/Mega Man in the elite eight, whoever/Cloud and whoever/whoever in the final four. That would be freakin' awesome. Who cares if Clink PWNs in the finals. Those would be 6 freakin' awesome matches (Cloud/Mario if only because Mario won last time).
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SC2k4: 116/120 Rank: T-89

Perhaps the loss of casual voters hurts Sephiroth more than it does Cloud.

I second this.
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SC2K4 ~ 55/57 ~ 99/104
But if they make it multi-console, it just might do it. ~sidharta on Metroid Prime 2

49 Stroke of Genius 109 Mega Man

I bet.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

On today's results: Good to see Sephiroth getting his due. ;)
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SC2K4 ~ 55/57 ~ 99/104
But if they make it multi-console, it just might do it. ~sidharta on Metroid Prime 2

34.65% Shadow the Hedgehog
34.64% Knuckles

Damnit!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Sephiroth is PWNING the after school vote. Looks like Sephiroth did get hurt by loss of casual voters.

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SC2K4 ~ 56/58 ~ 107/112
So close yet so far.

Link vs Seph?

I wouldn't nessecarily call that boring...Especially if he's going to be in AC in the slightest.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Made a bracket, guys...I'd like to see ya'll check it out; I made another topic for it because I didn't want it cluttering this topic when we're about to enter the Final Four. Thanks in advance.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16595445
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Cloud vs. Sephiroth

Checked this morning, Cloud had 55.2%. Now he has 55.3% Can't believe Cloud got up to 55.7%. Seph is winning the day vote, but it will be the only thing he wins in this match.

So let's see, we have Link and Cloud looking much stronger than last year. Will Clinkeroth be changed to Clink? Oh wait, can't forget about Samus...I wonder if she'll do better than Seph...I hope so.
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Seph - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (108/112)

So let's see, we have Link and Cloud looking much stronger than last year. Will Clinkeroth be changed to Clink? Oh wait, can't forget about Samus...I wonder if she'll do better than Seph...I hope so.

That would be awesome!!!
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16485175

Due to this outcome... looks like I phail.

Oh well, I'd rather go down backing my favorite character than I would backing anyone else.

I hope Link tears that child devouring bastard a new one.
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Wednesday 9/29/04
Showdown of Fate

Harrich, I rated your bracket. Interesting.

ExThaNemesis: I did the same. Except my upset special came closer... damn it, Frog should have won! =)

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SC2K4 ~ 56/58 ~ 107/112
So close yet so far.

Chaos Division: Elite 8 - Match 60 – (1)Sonic vs. (2)Samus

Moltar’s Analysis

Sonic - He caught the Gingerbread Man…now THAT takes some speed.

Round 1 – vs. Terry (Sonic: 80.84% - Terry: 19.16%)
Round 2 – vs. Ryu (Sonic: 55.54% - Ryu: 44.46%)
Round 3 – vs. Dante (Sonic: 62.03% - Dante: 37.97%)

Alright, nice performance by Sonic against Dante.

Samus - Girl Power! Represent for the sistas!

Round 1 – vs. Lara (Samus: 82.39% - Lara: 17.61%)
Round 2 – vs. Sam (Sam: 19.03% – Samus: 80.97%)
Round 3 – vs. Sora (Frog: 65.85% - Snake: 35.15%)

Not the monster numbers we wanted, but hey, great performance nonetheless.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=994

Hard to believe that these two were equal in 2002. Oh well, a rematch didn’t need to be done for this. Now here’s a long explanation of why.

In 2002, these two met up in the Sweet 16. Sonic was the 1-seed, Samus a 5-seed. Both were looking quite impressive so far, arguably Sonic more so than Samus. Anyway, Sonic lead for most of the day, until Samus made a late surge and came back to win the match. Samus then went on to lose in a close match with Seph. Now in 2003, that’s where everything changed. Sonic got doubled by Cloud, while Samus fought off getting SFF’d by Link. Link lost to Cloud in a close match. Samus looked better in ’03.

So now we move into 2004. Sonic blew-out Terry, beat Ryu in a close one, and did good against Dante. Now we move onto Samus, who is looking SCARY this year. She beat Sam and Lara by 80%+! Those characters are above fodder, and Samus made them look BAD. Sora is also a tough opponent, and Samus almost doubled him.

Anyway, Samus is looking scarily strong this year, strong enough to give Cloud a good fight. This match should finally show us where Samus is in strength. If she can get between 63-68% (factoring in a Sonic increase and decrease), then Cloud better be scared.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Samus will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sonic 40% - Samus 60%



Ulti's Analysis

It's easy to say that Sonic has improved this year, but I disagree. Lower vote totals have a big part in statistical anomalies this contest, and after you get around the mask of oddities, it's pretty easy to see that Sonic is done. He managed a blowout against Terry Bogard.

That's nice. He proceeded to follow that up by laying an egg against Ryu in the second round. Samus and Sonic have a similar opponent now, and Samus did far better against Ryu than Sonic did. If that isn't enough proof, go look at how Samus has done in this contest. Two 80% blowouts in a row, and she's
on pace to do better against Sora than Aeris did, and Aeris had SFF in the match!

It's a real shame how predictable these late round matchups are, isn't it?

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Samus/Samus with 57.01%

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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Seph - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (108/112)

Samus should win I'd say 59-41 at max. Probably a 55-45 showdown, since Sonic fans don't give up at all, and Sonic doesn't really get totally blown out by Samus. I think...

Either way, I then expect a 59-41 Link win over MM, should be 57-43. Then a 57-43 for Cloud.

And the showdown begins....

Wonder what the Link vs Cloud pic will be. Expected GC Link and KH Cloud collaboration/10.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 110/112 Rank: 10th

(Frog: 65.85% - Snake: 35.15%)

Hell yes!
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SC2K4 ~ 56/58 ~ 107/112
So close yet so far.

00:00 | Cloud Strife | 00056 | +0056 | 45.90% | Sephiroth | 00066 | +0066 | 54.10% | Lead of 0010 | (Up 10)
00:15 | Cloud Strife | 00636 | +0580 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 00536 | +0470 | 45.73% | Lead of 0100 | (Up 110)
00:30 | Cloud Strife | 01076 | +0440 | 52.90% | Sephiroth | 00958 | +0422 | 47.10% | Lead of 0118 | (Up 18)
00:45 | Cloud Strife | 01470 | +0394 | 52.90% | Sephiroth | 01309 | +0351 | 47.10% | Lead of 0161 | (Up 43)
01:00 | Cloud Strife | 01836 | +0366 | 53.68% | Sephiroth | 01584 | +0275 | 46.32% | Lead of 0252 | (Up 91)
01:15 | Cloud Strife | 02157 | +0321 | 53.90% | Sephiroth | 01845 | +0261 | 46.10% | Lead of 0312 | (Up 60)
01:30 | Cloud Strife | 02438 | +0281 | 54.41% | Sephiroth | 02043 | +0198 | 45.59% | Lead of 0395 | (Up 83)
01:45 | Cloud Strife | 02702 | +0264 | 54.29% | Sephiroth | 02275 | +0232 | 45.71% | Lead of 0427 | (Up 32)
02:00 | Cloud Strife | 02937 | +0235 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 02475 | +0200 | 45.73% | Lead of 0462 | (Up 35)
02:15 | Cloud Strife | 03178 | +0241 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 02678 | +0203 | 45.73% | Lead of 0500 | (Up 38)
02:30 | Cloud Strife | 03408 | +0230 | 54.31% | Sephiroth | 02867 | +0189 | 45.69% | Lead of 0541 | (Up 41)
02:45 | Cloud Strife | 03649 | +0241 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 03075 | +0208 | 45.73% | Lead of 0574 | (Up 33)
03:00 | Cloud Strife | 03891 | +0242 | 54.44% | Sephiroth | 03256 | +0181 | 45.56% | Lead of 0635 | (Up 61)
03:15 | Cloud Strife | 04207 | +0316 | 54.56% | Sephiroth | 03504 | +0248 | 45.44% | Lead of 0703 | (Up 68)
03:30 | Cloud Strife | 04536 | +0329 | 54.49% | Sephiroth | 03788 | +0284 | 45.51% | Lead of 0748 | (Up 45)
03:45 | Cloud Strife | 04931 | +0395 | 54.62% | Sephiroth | 04097 | +0309 | 45.38% | Lead of 0834 | (Up 86)
04:00 | Cloud Strife | 05335 | +0404 | 54.74% | Sephiroth | 04411 | +0314 | 45.26% | Lead of 0924 | (Up 90)
04:15 | Cloud Strife | 05729 | +0394 | 54.63% | Sephiroth | 04758 | +0347 | 45.37% | Lead of 0971 | (Up 47)
04:30 | Cloud Strife | 06221 | +0492 | 54.88% | Sephiroth | 05114 | +0356 | 45.12% | Lead of 1107 | (Up 136)
04:45 | Cloud Strife | 06735 | +0514 | 54.96% | Sephiroth | 05519 | +0405 | 45.04% | Lead of 1216 | (Up 109)
05:00 | Cloud Strife | 07221 | +0486 | 55.17% | Sephiroth | 05868 | +0349 | 44.83% | Lead of 1353 | (Up 137)
05:15 | Cloud Strife | 07717 | +0496 | 55.25% | Sephiroth | 06250 | +0382 | 44.75% | Lead of 1467 | (Up 114)
05:30 | Cloud Strife | 08191 | +0474 | 55.17% | Sephiroth | 06655 | +0405 | 44.83% | Lead of 1536 | (Up 69)
05:45 | Cloud Strife | 08726 | +0535 | 55.22% | Sephiroth | 07075 | +0420 | 44.78% | Lead of 1651 | (Up 115)
06:00 | Cloud Strife | 09238 | +0512 | 55.39% | Sephiroth | 07441 | +0366 | 44.61% | Lead of 1797 | (Up 146)
06:15 | Cloud Strife | 09778 | +0540 | 55.34% | Sephiroth | 07891 | +0450 | 44.66% | Lead of 1887 | (Up 90)
06:30 | Cloud Strife | 10299 | +0521 | 55.22% | Sephiroth | 08351 | +0460 | 44.78% | Lead of 1948 | (Up 61)
06:45 | Cloud Strife | 10882 | +0583 | 55.35% | Sephiroth | 08778 | +0427 | 44.65% | Lead of 2104 | (Up 156)
07:00 | Cloud Strife | 11385 | +0503 | 55.30% | Sephiroth | 09201 | +0423 | 44.70% | Lead of 2184 | (Up 80)

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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

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07:15 | Cloud Strife | 11959 | +0574 | 55.31% | Sephiroth | 09662 | +0461 | 44.69% | Lead of 2297 | (Up 113)
07:30 | Cloud Strife | 12596 | +0637 | 55.42% | Sephiroth | 10133 | +0471 | 44.58% | Lead of 2463 | (Up 166)
07:45 | Cloud Strife | 13217 | +0621 | 55.50% | Sephiroth | 10597 | +0464 | 44.50% | Lead of 2620 | (Up 157)
08:00 | Cloud Strife | 13796 | +0579 | 55.53% | Sephiroth | 11050 | +0453 | 44.47% | Lead of 2746 | (Up 126)
08:15 | Cloud Strife | 14418 | +0622 | 55.58% | Sephiroth | 11524 | +0474 | 44.42% | Lead of 2894 | (Up 148)
08:30 | Cloud Strife | 15028 | +0610 | 55.59% | Sephiroth | 12005 | +0481 | 44.41% | Lead of 3023 | (Up 129)
08:45 | Cloud Strife | 15569 | +0541 | 55.57% | Sephiroth | 12447 | +0442 | 44.43% | Lead of 3122 | (Up 99)
09:00 | Cloud Strife | 16140 | +0571 | 55.62% | Sephiroth | 12879 | +0432 | 44.38% | Lead of 3261 | (Up 139)
09:15 | Cloud Strife | 16758 | +0618 | 55.64% | Sephiroth | 13361 | +0482 | 44.36% | Lead of 3397 | (Up 136)
09:30 | Cloud Strife | 17292 | +0534 | 55.62% | Sephiroth | 13795 | +0434 | 44.38% | Lead of 3497 | (Up 100)
09:45 | Cloud Strife | 17843 | +0551 | 55.66% | Sephiroth | 14214 | +0419 | 44.34% | Lead of 3629 | (Up 132)
10:00 | Cloud Strife | 18386 | +0543 | 55.68% | Sephiroth | 14633 | +0419 | 44.32% | Lead of 3753 | (Up 124)
10:15 | Cloud Strife | 18911 | +0525 | 55.62% | Sephiroth | 15087 | +0454 | 44.38% | Lead of 3824 | (Up 71)
10:30 | Cloud Strife | 19454 | +0543 | 55.60% | Sephiroth | 15533 | +0446 | 44.40% | Lead of 3921 | (Up 97)
10:45 | Cloud Strife | 19961 | +0507 | 55.57% | Sephiroth | 15959 | +0426 | 44.43% | Lead of 4002 | (Up 81)
11:00 | Cloud Strife | 20451 | +0490 | 55.50% | Sephiroth | 16395 | +0436 | 44.50% | Lead of 4056 | (Up 54)
11:15 | Cloud Strife | 20947 | +0496 | 55.46% | Sephiroth | 16822 | +0427 | 44.54% | Lead of 4125 | (Up 69)
11:30 | Cloud Strife | 21517 | +0570 | 55.48% | Sephiroth | 17267 | +0445 | 44.52% | Lead of 4250 | (Up 125)
11:45 | Cloud Strife | 22191 | +0674 | 55.42% | Sephiroth | 17854 | +0587 | 44.58% | Lead of 4337 | (Up 87)
12:00 | Cloud Strife | 22951 | +0760 | 55.49% | Sephiroth | 18412 | +0558 | 44.51% | Lead of 4539 | (Up 202)
12:15 | Cloud Strife | 23707 | +0756 | 55.44% | Sephiroth | 19055 | +0643 | 44.56% | Lead of 4652 | (Up 113)
12:30 | Cloud Strife | 24502 | +0795 | 55.42% | Sephiroth | 19709 | +0654 | 44.58% | Lead of 4793 | (Up 141)
12:45 | Cloud Strife | 25285 | +0783 | 55.35% | Sephiroth | 20394 | +0685 | 44.65% | Lead of 4891 | (Up 98)
13:00 | Cloud Strife | 26105 | +0820 | 55.30% | Sephiroth | 21100 | +0706 | 44.70% | Lead of 5005 | (Up 114)
13:15 | Cloud Strife | 27016 | +0911 | 55.33% | Sephiroth | 21812 | +0712 | 44.67% | Lead of 5204 | (Up 199)
13:30 | Cloud Strife | 27903 | +0887 | 55.40% | Sephiroth | 22462 | +0650 | 44.60% | Lead of 5441 | (Up 237)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

These updates make me very, VERY, very happy.
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SC2K4 ~ 56/58 ~ 107/112
So close yet so far.

Drat, Sephiroth got an update. Poor, poor Mario.
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SC2k4: 116/120 Rank: T-89

I don't believe the 00:00 update should count. ;)

That was merely 44 seconds into the match. =)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16583953

^ I finished posting the Mega Man vs. Solid Snake updates in that topic...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I may write a Winners and Losers thingy after the contest, and you know damn well who's going to be the Turd of the Contest.

I would say it should go to Sephiroth. He performed below expectations in every single one of his matches. That's not very impressive, in my eyes.

And RPGuy, assuming no SFF, what does Cloud (Auron) from last year get on Sephiroth (Auron) this year?

And regarding the match...bah. This is unfortunate for my dreams of Link demolishing Cloud with a greater % than he got against Sephiroth.

Ah, I love seeing this from Cloud today.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Great prediction on Cloud winning HM. :) I'm sorry to have doubted you on this one. *wipes sweat off forehead*
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 110/112 Rank: 10th

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b60.jpg

ROFFLE. XDDDDDDDDD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It's not to bad.... it's kinda funny but not that funny, Snake's picture was funnier, if you count ugly and stupid as funny. Snake vs Frog that is.
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Hylian Knight Forever
Score: 110/112 Rank: 10th

That so? Cause, you know, the original Zelda sold almost as much as OoT in a time where video games were a lot less mainstream.

This was also a time where Nintendo was owned 97% of the video game market and just brought video games back from the crash of the 80's. It's impressive and the fact it was the first game to sell 1 million copies certainly does say good thigns about it. If you were to ask the majority of people who vote in these contests, however, I would bank on them prefering Link's Ocarina of Time art to a sprite.

I'd have to say that in terms of video gaming as a whole, Zelda has always been a big deal.

Very true. Zelda has never been a "niche" series, ever. While Mario is, and was, always on top there's no doubt Zelda is right behind it. I know it's usually hailed as Nintendo's greatest series just for how epic each adventure seems to be.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

The pic is pretty sweet, though I can't figure out why Mumei finds it so funny. >_>;;
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PERSEVERANCE
If something is hard it's not worth doing.

The hell?! Why is Samus blurring??? Samus is sliding backwards fast enough to stay in front of Sonic?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Why? Just because I don't particularly like Sonic and I enjoyed the thought of Samus blasting him in the face.

>_> <_<


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

His recognizability went up far higher as he was introduced to a wider audience that had previously only known so much about him. Link was always mainstream, but he became the mainstream giant he is today because of OoT.

What? I like to think I have plenty of knowledge of the video game industry--past and present, particularly in Nintendo's background--and I can say that Link was always mainstream. When the SNES was first released A Link to the Past sold systems. It has and always will be a major franchise to Nintendo. Ocarina of Time definitely helped him with the newer gamer who was starting to play games, but it certainly didn't make him skyrocket or anything. You'll notice from the Spring Contest that games such as LoZ and ALttP did exceptionally well for being such old games. Next to Mario, Link was the second-in-command on Nintendo's chain.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Samus is so ready to blow Sonic right off the map. Go Samus!!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b60.jpg

Alright. Nice pic. Sonic looks good and so does Samus. The blur effect also looks neat.
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Seph - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (108/112)

Samus is so ready to blow Sonic right off the map. Go Samus!!

Exactly. ;)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Isn't SM64 the standalone game with the lowest console-per-game sales ever, though? Like, less than three to one?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

I would have liked it better if Sonic were doing a Light Dash (i.e. airborne blur) or something with Samus aiming up at him. It would have made him look SOMEWHAT on the offensive.

Nonetheless, this is better than Mega Man/Snake. At least Samus doesn't have a fully charged Power Beam shot aimed at Sonic. Sonic is in classic running pose, Samus is in classic shooting pose.... Fans of both shouldn't be disappointed.

Still laughing about Samus speed dashing BACKWARDS while SLIDING.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Isn't SM64 the standalone game with the lowest console-per-game sales ever, though? Like, less than three to one?

Lowest? Super Mario 64 sold right along side the Nintendo 64 for a year. SM64 sold 4 million copies when the Nintendo 64 first hit 4 million units. It was a must have game when the console was first released.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Too bad that Sonic is going so fast that he'll run right by Samus before she can get a shot off.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Isn't SM64 the standalone game with the lowest console-per-game sales ever, though? Like, less than three to one?

The best, actually. But unfortunately, SMB, SMB3, and SMW were the only Marios that sold better than it, and SMB3 is the only standalone one. It's better than SMB3, but that could be because of SMB3's late launch date.

To answer Slowflake... yes. But there should be an asterisk next to that. It's not like you had a lot of options if you bought an N64 when it came out. The first year or so of N64 was extremely limited.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Too bad that Sonic is going so fast that he'll run right by Samus before she can get a shot off.

Sonic doesn't stand a chance from one quick blast to the face, especially after the beating he'll be getting later tonight.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Heroic Mario, he meant lowest ratio if you didn't pick that up yet, meaning for every three N64, one of them had Mario 64.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Samus hasn't even fired yet and Sonic's right in front of her. He'll be past her before she gets the shot off.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Oh I see, your way may actually be better. He runs right past Samus and into a pit, thus dying! Hurray for Samus!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Meh... the background should have been Starlight Zone... Best level in Sonic 1 (the music rocks). I remember they showed that level in the first Sonic commercial, music and all. Those early game commercials were so cheesy now that you look back at them....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yeah, but we can say the same about Halo, and it doesn't even come near.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

There's not a pit in sight...Sonic will just turn right around and Spin Dash Samus while she's still recovering from her shot.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

AH, damn, I had copied your reply to my picture statement kaxon, but I lost it, and am too lazy to go back.

so, I'll just comment. On any given battle, I really don't think the pic helps much, and I hated frogs pick, personally, it was just....odd. And I also don't know if we give the casuals credit, because if there really were a significant number of people who didn't know the popular characters, then they wouldn't be popular. I doubt picture votes count for more than a few hundred votes.
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It's obviously right past Samus, duh.

I'm looking forward to her putting up some 60% numbers against Sonic, although I hope for that doubling. That'd just rock.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

ExThaNemesis: I did the same. Except my upset special came closer... damn it, Frog should have won! =)

Indeed he should have!

And Samus won't be blasting Sonic in the face, as by the time she's charged up, Sonic will have slammed into her at least three times. Go Sonic!
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Wednesday 9/29/04
Showdown of Fate

It's easy to see where the pits are in the Green Hill Zone. They're not near them.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Heroic Mario, go away with your 60+.... :P Besides, the better Sonic does, the better Dante, Joe, Ryu, and Terry Bogard look. Doesn't that entice you to support Sonic? You know it does....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

She could just fire a super missile... No need to charge up >_>
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It's-a me! Mario!
SMW > SM64 > SMB.3 > SMB. > SMS > SMW 2: YI > SMB. 2 > SMB.: LL

Yes, but it's different when there is barely any space in front of you with the screen zoomed in. There's no denying Sonic falling down into the pit, I mean it's Sonic. He's never been that bright...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

ExThaNemesis: I did the same. Except my upset special came closer... damn it, Frog should have won! =)

Indeed he should have!

your amphibian ruined my upset special by 7 votes!!!

and the boads beloved ryu ruined jill by 27!!
so evil!!!

and I really really hope Samus does championlike on Sonic, but somehow I just don't see it happening. : (

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Doesn't that entice you to support Sonic?

What? No. Bring on the Samus destruction. Support Sonic over a Nintendo character? That's asking for me to be completely insane. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

No way is Sora > Sonic. NO WAY. That's what it'd take to beat Cloud, and it's not gonna happen.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

That's asking for me to be completely insane. =p

In the wise words of Crono:

...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 104/112 - Matches: 54/58 - Rank: 00589/33221 - Final 4: LINK, Megaman, CLOUD, Samus

There's no denying Sonic falling down into the pit, I mean it's Sonic. He's never been that bright...

Sure he is. He never falls into the pit when I'm in control of him. You can tell where the pits are, and they're not near the waterfalls. They're not near the pits.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

well......

lets just say this was an INCREDIBLE year for Sora.
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You're living in the past. It's time to forgive and forget. That's sooooo 16-bit era. Sony is Nintendo's enemy now.

Besides, believe it or not, Sonic Adventure 2:Battle was the reason WHY I went ahead and picked up my gamecube (I mastered it on Dreamcast). Before that, I was content on playing Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine, etc. on my little brother's gamecube. I only got into Metroid Prime, Star Fox, and all the other gamecube classics over the past year.... <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

No way is Sora > Sonic. NO WAY. That's what it'd take to beat Cloud, and it's not gonna happen.

Hush until you see results, although I don't expect 66% either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

I'm hoping that Jill took as big of a dive as Lara and Sam Fisher did, meaning that Sora isn't even as strong as Dante, giving Sonic a shot.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

He never falls into the pit when I'm in control of him.


You're living in the past. It's time to forgive and forget.

Sonic in the present... is awful.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

And RPGuy, assuming no SFF, what does Cloud (Auron) from last year get on Sephiroth (Auron) this year?

Based on no SFF in either match, Sephiroth gets 43.03% on Cloud.

(4) Dante Sparda
(13) Vincent Valentine
(5) Alucard
(12) Liquid Snake


4 pack of doom, yo!
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

If Sonic does worse on Samus than Sora, I will eat, umm, a copy of Kingdom Hearts! Wait, that has already been done. I got it...


I will eat a hedgehog.

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SC2k4: 116/120 Rank: T-89

It's easy to see where the pits are in the Green Hill Zone. They're not near them.

Maybe so, but this is being played on a 3-inch television monitor; you can't see pits on a TV like that! Plus, why would Samus need to charge up a shot when it only takes a normal shot to make Sonic lose his rings anyways?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

HM when this match is 57-43 I'm going to laugh for 2 reasons. One: once again your quarterfinal prediction will be wrong (the first being MM with 60+ against snake although I agreed with that one)

and Two: the Irony that the character you hate most making a character you like look much better despite your hate
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

All Sonic's got to do is jump at his supersonic speeds and he'd knock Samus into next week, and possibly far enough down the level to fall into the pits.

Eh, if we'd gotten Super Sonic, there'd be no debate.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

You wouldn't seem me complaining about another 57-43. That's a 7% increase from 2002 where they went 50-50.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

57-43 would however somewhat disapoint me, just because a 55-45 match with samus goin 57-43 against cloud makes sonic look so much better
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

I'd expect Samus to at least get near 45% on Cloud. She didn't look like she could win in the last round, but she still looked much better in comparison to last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

It's hard to say how good Samus looked because we still have no idea where Sora really is.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

We did have a "range" for Samus in the last match, although it's nothing absolute. Either way, I wouldn't expect Samus to do bad against Cloud at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

I thought about this before the contest started, and I said it out loud when she faced Lara: Samus WILL get 45% on Cloud.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Samus getting 45% on Cloud means that Sora actually IS as strong as Aeris, if not slightly stronger.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I'm pushing for Samus to get 45% on Cloud. She deserves it.... But I'm also pushing for Sonic to stay close with Samus. But then that would mean that Sonic would get over 40% on Cloud.... which he didn't.... Which would make a mess of the extrapolated...

*explodes*
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

A bit of an update:

13:45 | Cloud Strife | 28751 | +0848 | 55.36% | Sephiroth | 23185 | +0723 | 44.64% | Lead of 5566 | (Up 125)
14:00 | Cloud Strife | 29568 | +0817 | 55.39% | Sephiroth | 23813 | +0628 | 44.61% | Lead of 5755 | (Up 189)
14:15 | Cloud Strife | 30433 | +0865 | 55.43% | Sephiroth | 24471 | +0658 | 44.57% | Lead of 5962 | (Up 207)
14:30 | Cloud Strife | 31284 | +0851 | 55.41% | Sephiroth | 25174 | +0703 | 44.59% | Lead of 6110 | (Up 148)
14:45 | Cloud Strife | 32160 | +0876 | 55.43% | Sephiroth | 25864 | +0690 | 44.57% | Lead of 6296 | (Up 186)

Also, to compare Link vs. Crono and Cloud vs. Sephiroth vote totals:

Cloud vs. Sephiroth
"Updates Left: 37
Cloud Strife's % last update: 55.94%
Total Votes so far: 58024"

Link vs. Crono
"Updates Left: 37
Total Votes so far: 58866"

Looking nice for this match...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, except for Shadow, the Sonic Team looks to have gotten a bit of a boost this year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Blue Blur is stronger.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Also, Link vs. Crono was still 6300 votes off Link vs. Yoshi's pace at this point (Update 14:44 or 37 Updates Left) in the match.

It eventually went on to catch up and pass Link vs. Yoshi's vote total. So this doesn't necessarily mean that Cloud vs. Sephiroth will get to 90,000+ votes, but it definitely could.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Samus getting 45% on Cloud means that Sora actually IS as strong as Aeris, if not slightly stronger.

I thought this was agreed on already...?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Just re-iterating the point, and the fact that I don't believe it's true.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/6457/NintendoDSPackaging.jpg

Samus' face plastered on the Nintendo DS box. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

Great box. =)

What is Nintendo's sales target for the DS again? I think it was 4 million, but I cannot remember the time frame...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Er... Never mind, I just saw it in your topic. >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud is starting to go up in percentage. I'd love to see him get 56% or higher.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Cloud is starting to go up in percentage. I'd love to see him get 56% or higher.

"Updates Left: 36
Cloud Strife's % last update: 57.97%

"Updates Left: 35
Cloud Strife's % last update: 54.92%

"Updates Left: 34
Cloud Strife's % last update: 59.11%

Ouch'd

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Score. A 60% mark would be great, if Cloud could manage one.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Does anybody want to see the bracket I just made? If not, I won't post it, but I'd like some feedback.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I declare Sonic/Samus my 2nd favorite pic ever.

Sonic is finally the BLUE BLUR! Bwahaha. I love Samus too, but Sonic gets my vote.


I want to see Mario/Sonic.

Shadow on Mario (55-45)
and Sonic on Samus (57-43 I'd say)

sets that match up to be awesome. I wouldn't hesitate to take Mario, but that is the dream match. I demand it for 2k5.

(1)Mega Man
(2) Mario
(3) Sonic
(4) Magus
(5) Ganondorf

I'd love to see that divison next year.
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SC2K4 Score: 110/120 Next Tough Pick: Link over Sep...Cloud.
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UltarEmpire.

and Sonic on Samus (57-43 I'd say)

... You mean in Samus's favor.... right?

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I have 4 out of 5 of that in my bracket...
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Sonic beats Samus by 34 votes. It's payback time, baby!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

(1)Mega Man
(2) Mario
(3) Sonic
(4) Magus
(5) Ganondorf

That's just a little stacked.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
A Tribute to the Blue Bomber

HM, who would you vote for in Samus/Cloud?
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SC2K4 Score: 110/120 Next Tough Pick: Link over Sep...Cloud.
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UltarEmpire.

Cloud... He's said that several times.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

kool

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"Never should've traded power for my own immortal soul."
-C. Vincent Metzen

Bah. -3 respect points.


And of course I meant in Samus' favor.
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SC2K4 Score: 110/120 Next Tough Pick: Link over Sep...Cloud.
CATS is more well-developed than Cloud. ~ A very wise man, UltarEmpire.

Score. A 60% mark would be great, if Cloud could manage one.

"Updates Left: 33
Votes per update needed for Sephiroth to catch up: 219.273
Cloud Strife's % last update: 59.68%
Total Votes so far: 64030"

Getting closer... >=)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see Cloud hit 56% later tonight.
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"A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not."

If you guys won't respond to me I'll just post my bracket anyway.

This assumes no company cap.

Divison 1

1)Link
16) (Winner of Gordon/CATS, a Board Only match)

8) Terra
9) Tails

5) Ryu (SF)
12) Vincent Valentine

4) Auron
13) Kerrigan

6) Bowser
11) Carl Johnson

3) Magus
14) Dr. Wily (this is a favorite pick, anyone else you want to see here that’s fine too)

7) Viewtiful Joe
10) Serge

2) Sephiroth
15) Toad (I’m flexible on these low seeds too so… whatever)

Division 2

1)Samus
16) Laharl

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

4) Zero
13) KOS-MOS

5) Squall
12) Ken Masters

6) Kirby
11) Liquid Snake

3) Master Chief
14) Diddy Kong (See Dr. Wily)

7) Ness
10) Protoman (I believe he was SFF’D pretty bad by Zero. If you have someone else I’m willing to change)

2)Crono
15)Vyse

Division 3

1)Cloud
16) Pac-Man

8) Luigi
9) Knuckles

4) Frog
13) Sam Fisher

5) Alucard
12)Donkey Kong

6) Shadow the Hedgehog
11) Raiden

3) Aeris
14) Bass

7) Yoshi
10) Kefka

2)Solid Snake
15)Duke Nukem

Division 4

1)Mega Man
16)Crash Bandicoot

8) Leon Kennedy
9) Geno (open to suggestions)

5) Ganondorf
12) Max Payne

4) Sora
13) Jak

6) Tidus
11) Lloyd Irving

3) Mario
14)Jill Valentine

7) Vivi
10) Yuna (open to suggestions)

2)Sonic
15) Falco Lombardi

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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

With the way that Cloud's climbing in percentage, he could hit 56% in 1-2 hours.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

3) Magus
14) Dr. Wily (this is a favorite pick, anyone else you want to see here that’s fine too)

I really don't think Dr. Wily should be that low, I mean a #14 seed just makes him seem so weak when he really wouldn't be...

8) Fox McCloud
9) Scorpion

Heh. Nice.
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

14:30 | Cloud Strife | 31284 | +0851 | 55.41% | Sephiroth | 25174 | +0703 | 44.59% | Lead of 6110 | (Up 148)
14:45 | Cloud Strife | 32160 | +0876 | 55.43% | Sephiroth | 25864 | +0690 | 44.57% | Lead of 6296 | (Up 186)
15:00 | Cloud Strife | 32971 | +0811 | 55.49% | Sephiroth | 26452 | +0588 | 44.51% | Lead of 6519 | (Up 223)
15:15 | Cloud Strife | 33881 | +0910 | 55.47% | Sephiroth | 27199 | +0747 | 44.53% | Lead of 6682 | (Up 163)
15:30 | Cloud Strife | 34767 | +0886 | 55.56% | Sephiroth | 27812 | +0613 | 44.44% | Lead of 6955 | (Up 273)
15:45 | Cloud Strife | 35633 | +0866 | 55.65% | Sephiroth | 28397 | +0585 | 44.35% | Lead of 7236 | (Up 281)
16:00 | Cloud Strife | 36437 | +0804 | 55.66% | Sephiroth | 29026 | +0629 | 44.34% | Lead of 7411 | (Up 175)

Cloud vs. Sephiroth
"Updates Left: 32
Total Votes so far: 65463"

Link vs. Crono
"Updates Left: 32
Total Votes so far: 66398"


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm trying to find a good match for Sora...what do you guys think of this?

(8) Luigi
(9) Viewtiful Joe

(7) Bowser
(10) Sora

(6) Vivi Ornitier
(11) Fox McCloud

(4) Dante Sparda
(13) Vincent Valentine
(5) Alucard
(12) Liquid Snake

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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

outback, you're playing favorites waaay to much there.

Sephy should be a 1 seed, bump MM or Samus if you must.

And Snake shouldn't be a 2 seed anymore, he's below even Zero in the standings.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Another thing, Mario should be a 2 seed, you can trade him in for Snake.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Sora is a bit fickle at this point, it's best to wait until tomorrow to gauge his actual strength.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Man, I'd like to think Fox could do something in that match...
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

Mario's a 3 seed there because I want to see Mario/Sonic.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Put Mario at the #2 seed and Sonic at the #3 seed. That way it won't be an upset, through seeding, when Mario wins. =)
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

Mario's a 3 seed there because I want to see Mario/Sonic.

Oh, I see.

Still, Mario should be the 2 seed over Sonic IMO.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, that's the first time I've ever seen a stats topic get no posts for almost two hours.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

putting sonic as a 3 would let you have magus as a 6, to see magus/sonic and mario/sonic unless magus pulls the upset.
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

What do you think of this?

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/5302/SonicvsSamus_thumb.gif
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Lonely Angel
Now, can I say ownage: http://img67.exs.cx/img67/2721/FinalFantasyVIIvsZeroWing_thumb.gif

Update time. ^_^

16:15 | Cloud Strife | 37252 | +0815 | 55.68% | Sephiroth | 29649 | +0623 | 44.32% | Lead of 7603 | (Up 192)
16:30 | Cloud Strife | 38019 | +0767 | 55.70% | Sephiroth | 30237 | +0588 | 44.30% | Lead of 7782 | (Up 179)
16:45 | Cloud Strife | 38764 | +0745 | 55.74% | Sephiroth | 30775 | +0538 | 44.26% | Lead of 7989 | (Up 207)
17:00 | Cloud Strife | 39441 | +0677 | 55.71% | Sephiroth | 31351 | +0576 | 44.29% | Lead of 8090 | (Up 101)
17:15 | Cloud Strife | 40163 | +0722 | 55.75% | Sephiroth | 31881 | +0530 | 44.25% | Lead of 8282 | (Up 192)
17:30 | Cloud Strife | 40822 | +0659 | 55.76% | Sephiroth | 32394 | +0513 | 44.24% | Lead of 8428 | (Up 146)
17:45 | Cloud Strife | 41456 | +0634 | 55.80% | Sephiroth | 32838 | +0444 | 44.20% | Lead of 8618 | (Up 190)
18:00 | Cloud Strife | 42055 | +0599 | 55.79% | Sephiroth | 33326 | +0488 | 44.21% | Lead of 8729 | (Up 111)

Cloud vs. Sephiroth
"Updates Left: 24
Total Votes so far: 75381"

Link vs. Crono
"Updates Left: 24
Total Votes so far: 77262"

Falling behind now...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I like the Samus in that picture, but not so much for the Sonic...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Falling behind now...

About time, this IS an internal conflict after all.

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September 29th, 2004: Once again, destiny(Cloud) has destroyed fate(Sephiroth).

About time, this IS an internal conflict after all.

I figure that it will at least get more votes than Link vs. Ganondorf, an all Zelda characters match...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Actually, to compare that:

Link vs. Ganondorf
"Updates Left: 23
Total Votes so far: 73292"

Cloud vs. Sephiroth
"Updates Left: 23
Total Votes so far: 76617"

Not that surprising at all.


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Anybody have more feedback on my bracket? The main goal of it was to avoid SFF, and I think I did that pretty well.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Does anybody else think an awesome Sonic Vs. Samus pic would be one where they are both curled up in balls about to hit each other in the air?
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"I've never felt more alive than when I'm cheating death on the battlefield."--Solid Snake

The Metroid Prime 2 art for the Spin Attack might be nice, so people can tell at a glance that it is Samus.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Does anybody else think an awesome Sonic Vs. Samus pic would be one where they are both curled up in balls about to hit each other in the air?

Clear advantage to Sonic because he in ball form is more known than Samus in ball form.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

8) Luigi
9) Knuckles

7) Yoshi
10) Kefka

Knuckles > Kefka
Yoshi > Luigi
Yoshi = Knuckles

Well, Yoshi and Knuckles are near-equals anyways. Switch Yoshi and Luigi up to get two good matches.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Oh never mind. I hadn't seen the new Samus Vs. Sonic pic before I made my post.
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"I've never felt more alive than when I'm cheating death on the battlefield."--Solid Snake

Heh. My bracket reads:

(8) Yoshi
(9) Knuckles the Echidna

and

(7) Luigi
(10) Viewtiful Joe
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

I paired VJ with Serge. I'm a fan of VJ, and haven't played CC, so i figured from other brackets/talk that he'd fit well in an 8/9 match.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

RPGuy96, I don't know if you've said this before, but what is Link [Crono[Mario]] expected to get on Mega Man [Solid Snake]?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Clear advantage to Sonic because he in ball form is more known than Samus in ball form.

You're kidding, right?

Anyone who ever played any Metroit game must have used that form to get around tight corners.

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September 29th, 2004: Once again, destiny(Cloud) has destroyed fate(Sephiroth).

Does anybody else think an awesome Sonic Vs. Samus pic would be one where they are both curled up in balls about to hit each other in the air?

I was hoping Ceej would use something like that, but the current one isn't bad at all.

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September 29th, 2004: Once again, destiny(Cloud) has destroyed fate(Sephiroth).

RPGuy96, I don't know if you've said this before, but what is Link [Crono[Mario]] expected to get on Mega Man [Solid Snake]?

I have not, so here you go:

Mega Man [Snake2k3] would be expected to get 37.83% on Link[Mario].

That's more Link being incredibly strong than Mega being weak, as he did increase to 41.2% on Link2k3.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Update Time:

18:15 | Cloud Strife | 42743 | +0688 | 55.79% | Sephiroth | 33874 | +0548 | 44.21% | Lead of 8869 | (Up 140)
18:30 | Cloud Strife | 43386 | +0643 | 55.80% | Sephiroth | 34361 | +0487 | 44.20% | Lead of 9025 | (Up 156)
18:45 | Cloud Strife | 44004 | +0618 | 55.84% | Sephiroth | 34793 | +0432 | 44.16% | Lead of 9211 | (Up 186)
19:00 | Cloud Strife | 44569 | +0565 | 55.84% | Sephiroth | 35240 | +0447 | 44.16% | Lead of 9329 | (Up 118)

And vote totals:

Cloud vs. Sephiroth
"Updates Left: 20
Total Votes so far: 79809"

Link vs. Crono
"Updates Left: 20
Total Votes so far: 81688"

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Mega Man [Snake2k3] would be expected to get 37.83% on Link[Mario].

So that is what he has to get to keep on track with his current projections? O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Link thrashed CATS (55% on his former self), SFF slaughtered Ganondorf and Yoshi, and beat a rising Crono worse than he would beat the old Crono (54% on his old self). He's a friggen beast.
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Burning inside, with a violent anger...
Please, please, please, do not let me die!

Link thrashed CATS (55% on his former self), SFF slaughtered Ganondorf and Yoshi, and beat a rising Crono worse than he would beat the old Crono (54% on his old self). He's a friggen beast.

Actually, I was thinking about Link vs. CATS and how people said that he only rose 1.35%.. If you think about it, it is much more difficult to bring your percentage up at that level. At 86.48, he has 6.396 times the number of votes that CATS would have. At 87.83, what he got, he had 7.216 times the number of votes that CATS had.

That is a pretty good increase, in my opinion...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Link thrashed CATS (55% on his former self), SFF slaughtered Ganondorf and Yoshi, and beat a rising Crono worse than he would beat the old Crono (54% on his old self). He's a friggen beast.

I highly doubt Crono is rising.

I think it's more likely that Mario decreased due to the lack of casual voters.

Besides, I couldn't think of a reason for Link to increase by 4% out of nowhere.

He's an icon, remember, it would take a whole lot of effort to give him such a significant boost.

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September 29th, 2004: Once again, destiny(Cloud) has destroyed fate(Sephiroth).

I highly doubt Crono is rising.

Crono [Conker] could've just been overperformance, but it was uncannily close in predicting his percentage on Mario.

Also, I screwed up the last update. I had 19:20:56. That's nearly 6 minutes off. ;_;

Can someone please check the updater every 15 minutes when I have to go to bed? I really want to make the updates, but apparently no one is checking but me and that would mean I'll miss any that happen after I go to bed. Thanks if you can....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Considering how close Link [Mario] and Link [CATS] are, and how close Crono [Conker] and Crono [Mario] are, and how close Link [CATS] predicts Crono [Mario], I'd say the most likely scenario is easily Link and Crono increased, Mario stayed constant.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

Considering how close Link [Mario] and Link [CATS] are, and how close Crono [Conker] and Crono [Mario] are, and how close Link [CATS] predicts Crono [Mario], I'd say the most likely scenario is easily Link and Crono increased, Mario stayed constant.

I wouldn't put too much faith in matches where fodders are involved.

Samus [Lara] put her at 60%+ against Cloud [2003], but after her match with Sora, we know that's certainly not true.

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September 29th, 2004: Once again, destiny(Cloud) has destroyed fate(Sephiroth).

When fodder corresponds pretty much directly with a performance against a Noble Nine member, maybe you should take a look at it.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

That'd be the second year that Crono has increased too. Quite a feat for someone who hasn't had anything new come out since the contest started back in 2002. =)
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

CATS is a character that is likely to stay constant due to a small but devoted cult fanbase. Luca Blight and Laharl are likely the same way as well.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Can someone please check the updater every 15 minutes after this next update? I have to get off now and I'm going to miss those updates if people don't at least look at that page, since apparently it only updates when someone checks the page. Thanks... =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'll try to do it for you, Mumei.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I'll try and remember, Mumei, but I'll be going to bed before 3 EST.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

I'll try and remember, Mumei, but I'll be going to bed before 3 EST.

I'll try to do it for you, Mumei.

http://www.siberkat.com/thewavszim2/lveug.wav

Yay, Gir ^.^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Thanks to the magic of FireFox extensions, I have the Updater page set to reload every 15 minutes. This way, I can forget and it'll still come up.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

Yay. =)

Good night. I might be able to get back on later - the matches end at 2:00 AM my time and my parents are in bed by 11 or 12. So I should be able to get on after that...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Looks like Cloud will be able to hit 56% before all is said and done.
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

Heh, Heroic Mario is fending off attackers DBZ style again with his post about Samus getting 61% on Sonic. He was countering almost 10 attacks in one post at one point. XD

*imagines DBZ style Heroic Mario blocking 10 punches with one hand*

I don't agree with him though... this board has very vocal anti-Sonic people. Samus might beat Sonic soundly but I don't see her blowing him out 60-40. I don't think people will abandon Sonic for Samus like they did for Cloud. I doubt Sonic will be close to upsetting her though. Samus's vote totals are far more impressive than Sonic. Sonic's totals are comparable to Snake's and Samus's are more or less on the level of Mega Man. I see the gap between Mega Man and Snake as worst case scenario with Sonic and Samus. Since their first match was so close however, I think Sonic has a good chance of putting up a better showing than Snake.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

The next match pic looks amazing, if I do say so myself.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Where do people get these Firefox extensions from?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

http://update.mozilla.org/extensions/

They are glorious.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

Now that there's been a good amount of changes in my mock-bracket, I'm gonna post the link to it again (should be second post, third page for the most up-to-date version yet). Compliments, complaints, and most importantly suggestions are welcome.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16595445&page=2
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

What's the name of the page-reloader thing that was just bein' talked about?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

It's called ReloadEvery, though I don't know what category it's under.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

Here's the link to my bracket too if anyones interested/hasn't seen it yet.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16604459
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Cloud Strife 55.92% 47248
Sephiroth 44.08% 37247
TOTAL VOTES 84495

The lead is over 10,000 now. Way to go, Cloud.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Now I know that most of you are expecting Samus to easily take this, and most of you (myself included) have Samus in your bracket, despite a 34 vote margin two years ago. While I agree that it's unlikely, what would your reaction be to Sonic keeping razor-tight or even taking a lead early on? (though Sonic is the king of the day vote, so if he did take a lead, he might not hold onto it)
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Samus ought to take the lead in the night. The big question is how much she can expand it before the day vote starts.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Sonic is the king of the day vote, so if he did take a lead, he might not hold onto it)

That made no sense.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Sephiroth may have walked through fire before, but Cloud's burning him alive right now.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'd be happy for the most part since I like Sonic.... but he's still going to lose. All it would cause is further stat analysis and the shift would turn to how Cloud is going to blow out Samus.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And, barring an act of God, the last perfect bracket dies in a few hours.

Buh bye.
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If bashing my head into the desk in frustration is a game, then I am the unstoppable 1337 mastah of it. -- AJYeary

Good, too; I do NOT want a 190+ bracket to survive, much less a perfect.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Samus ought to take the lead in the night. The big question is how much she can expand it before the day vote starts.

This match will be over before morning even hits.
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

So you say, but I disagree.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Favorite post of the day:

"How exactly is Samus going to win this? I thought most of Gamefaqs was anti-Nintendo.."

Somebody talking about Samus vs. Sonic in Heroic Mario's topic.

That made no sense.

Maybe the "he" in that sentence was accidentally referring to Samus?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I don't know why anyone would think Sonic has a chance at winning this match. It's like thinking Sephiroth was going to win today.
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

It's like thinking Sephiroth was going to win today.

But he IS winning... you just have to look at it differently... that's all.

;.;
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Wednesday 9/29/04
Showdown of Fate

At least it's more plausible than the claims of Samus beating Cloud. LOL. Keep dreaming kiddos.
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Human beings are like rabbits: they're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly and reproduce like mad.

Or that Mega Man would win the contest, but you take your chances.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Well, I'm gone for tonight. I look forward to waking up tomorrow to see Samus holding strong above 60% against the hedgehog. She certainly deserves to be in complete control on that match...

I'm going with 61.21% for Samus when all is said and done.

Go Samus!!
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/The Hunter - Log 10.023.7/
A considerable bounty will go to the unit who delivers Aran to Command. Dead or alive, it matters not.

...And I'll be expecting Heroic Mario to be off by more than 10% tomorrow morning.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

poll numero tres...

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Human beings are like rabbits: they're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly and reproduce like mad.

...And I'll be expecting Heroic Mario to be off by more than 10% tomorrow morning.

Same here, Samus will get 70% on Sonic tomorrow. =P

I'm expecting 58-42 to 61-39, just depends.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

No, Heroic Mario is never off 10% in a positive direction.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

He won't be off 10%, period. He may be a lil' extreme (he picked a very-best-case-scenario for Samus stomping his unreasonable enemy Sonic), but that is more likely to happen than it being a barn-burner. 54-46 at THE very closest, period. I'll post pictures of me punching and slapping myself if Sonic ends the match with 46% or more.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I trust you'll have those pictures handy because I'll hold you to that.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Too bad they won't ever exist...but yeah, I'll make a topic of it right now so people'll hold me to it and it can be bumped.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16605378

Made.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Kefka went over expectations
Vivi went over expectations
Sora went over expectations

They're all part of that "2nd pack" of Square characters and they all seem to have gotten a big boost this year. Sora increasing makes sense...

It's still way easier to believe that Sora gained since last year AND had SFF against Aeris (both to a certain degree) than to believe that Lara, Gordon and Sam all decreased like hell all of a sudden.
Sonic didn't impress anyone this year as most characters did better than expected in his 8-pack.

For once I agree with HM, 60-40 seems very reasonable (Last year Samus would have been expected 54% against Sonic, without the apparent increase for Samus this year and possible SFF against Link.)
Yeah I can dream ;)
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16596072

I still think Samus will get over 60% against Sonic. Though I think she'll give Cloud a run for his money if not win it
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Summer 2004 Contest 101/112 Cloud vs. Sephiroth

Kefka and Sora went above expectations simply due to a lack of knowledge of the extent of SFF. We had no idea how strong Vivi actually was, so that's a moot point.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Cloud is owning Sephiroth...bah, I predicted that to happen LAST year, not THIS year...

2003 extrapolations show Wario being closer to Luigi than Luigi is to Yoshi. Therefore, I can't help but believe Shadow was overrated in 2003, Tidus dropped from '03-'04, and the fact that they just about tied this year was merely a coincidence. It's hard to imagine a heavyweight underperforming that heavily for an unknown reason. That's just me, though. If you adjust 2K3 Shadow to what he is now, Wario would now be expected to lose to Luigi 39/61 without SFF. (I would love to see Wario beat Luigi, though. =P)

Oh, and to make Tidus' "drop" seem more plausible, Knuckles got 39% on Snake, and Tidus got 41% on Sonic in 2002. Sounds close enough to me.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Sonic is the king of the day vote, so if he did take a lead, he might not hold onto it)

That made no sense.

Err, what I meant was, if Sonic took a lead in the day because of his massive day vote, if it's not a large enough lead, he'll lose it by the end of the poll.

And there's NO way Samus will get 60%, that is just way too optimistic. I'd say 54 +/- 3%. Sonic is still a very popular character, and I'll be voting for him come tomorrow.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

...What do Tidus and Knuckles have in common?

Mega Man overperformed. It was an anomaly, much like what Sonic did in 2002. That's why Tidus actually rose instead of dropping last year with the WDF.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Kefka and Sora went above expectations simply due to a lack of knowledge of the extent of SFF. We had no idea how strong Vivi actually was, so that's a moot point.

Sora, I can see and agree...but with Kefka, it's hard to say that; look at Luigi/Pac-Man this year. Kefka's a little tougher than Pac-Man according to 2k3. According to the stats, Knuckles was roughly equal to Yoshi last year, and Yoshi beat Luigi this year about 54-46. Yet, Kefka still came alot closer to beating Knuckles did than Pac-Man did to beating Luigi.

I have no real explaination for that, really, but SFF is not to blame.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Kefka's lack of iconic status helped Pac-Man overperform. Luigi has that type of status, and blows Pac-Man out of the water.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Ah, it's rather disappointing that this match won't even come close to 100,000. Link vs. Cloud is our only hope.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Perhaps, but I figured Luigi's iconic status would have helped him outdo Jill Valentine against a common opponent, too.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Yes, but you forgot that Squall has a monopoly on the female demographic. The fact that Jill is actually a female may have helped her split that part with Squall.

Seriously though, iconic status can only carry you so far. It does help though.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

I understand it only takes you so far, and in this case I think Luigi would beat Jill in a head-to-head match-up, but not by much. If my assumption is true, then how could Luigi not get a huge boost against Jill yet Pac-Man's iconic status helped him much moreso against the villain of a highly-loved game on this site of RPG-lovers?

On a side-note, this makes me want to mess with my bracket some more.....
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

On this site, Kefka is nothing compared to Sephiroth in the eyes of the casual voters. Unfair or not, that's how it is.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Yes, but you forgot that Squall has a monopoly on the female demographic. The fact that Jill is actually a female may have helped her split that part with Squall.

Are you male or female?
Male 94.52% 74775
Female 5.48% 4334
TOTAL VOTES 79109

Source: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1563

There doesn't seem to be much of a female demographic on GameFAQs to begin with so I wouldn't list that as a huge factor.

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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony!
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

I'm well aware of that. That's why my next two words were "seriously though."
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Next game: #9 Auburn Tigers (3-0)

Speaking of Kefka, all this talk about him forced me to remember what a great villain he is and kick out Jak to make room for him in my bracket. I now have 16 Square characters.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

Never said THE most loved, heh. Sephiroth is miles above and beyond Kefka in popularity, and I haven't played enough of FF3/6 to tell if it's justified or not (I gotta get back into playing it again with my free time, heh). Regardless, FF3/6 did pretty dang good in the Spring Contest, almost as good as Chrono Trigger. While no icon, it's a weird anomoly to see him struggle against Pac-Man, then perform impressively against Knuckles the next year.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

You'll find most people who have played both games think Kefka is the better villain. It's simply that most of the casual voters started with 7 and never went back.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Official World Record Holder: Mega Man X (100%), Solstice, Super Mario World

Mega Man overperformed. It was an anomaly, much like what Sonic did in 2002. That's why Tidus actually rose instead of dropping last year with the WDF.

Or...how about, instead, Magus underperformed against Link? It not only helps Tidus fit in, but it helps Ganondorf fit in slightly better, and definitely Sam Fisher, as well.

Forget Frog vs. Snake this year...CT apparently was stronger this year, anyway. (Yeah, I know Crono only increased by 3% this year, but I still think that gives room)

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Er, I meant to say, if Magus OVERperformed, not under-.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Hm...come to think of it, Magus is a heavyweight, as well, so it wouldn't make sense that HE would perform against the math, either. I still say that theory isn't too bad, though. :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Well, I'm off to bed. I've hit every update within 4 seconds so far, and it looks like Leonhart is doing it to, so Mumei should be happy in the morning.

I expect to see Samus well over 60% when I wake up.
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"Fargus' pirate crew makes women smile and villains revile!" ~ Cap'n Fargus, Fire Emblem

when i wake up and am done my 1st class in the morning ill expect to see sonic at 50% :D(hopes)
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Summer Contest 100/112 cloud vs SEPHIROTH, GO SONIC!!!!!!!!!!!
Final Four In Character Battle 3: Link, Megaman, Sephiroth, Sonic

Goin' to bed, but I'll touch up on this with something I agrued with before the contest started...

-Tidus lost to Ganondorf in a close match.
-Ganondorf lost to Magus in a closer hyped match.
-Magus lost to Link in a hyped match.

...those are three different Square VS Nintendo matches with either lots of hype or excitement, so I feel like they're somewhat unaccurate when they're compared to anything other than themselves. This logic failed me when I picked Shadow over Tidus (though I also considered 45% on Mario bein' more impressive than 41% on Sonic), but I still think there's some truth to it; I feel like the transitivity (sp?) isn't as accurate as it is in most other matches.


Now, goin' to bed. G-nite ya'll.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

(though I also considered 45% on Mario bein' more impressive than 41% on Sonic)

It's not. SC2k2 Tidus would get 45.1% on Mario, compared to Shadow's 44.9%.

well, I really hope Samus shows power tomorrow, but I'm just not feeling it, although if she can just break 60, it would still look pretty nice.
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Score. A 60% mark would be great, if Cloud could manage one.

>=)

"Updates Left: 6
Cloud Strife's % last update: 60.79%

"Updates Left: 13
Cloud Strife's % last update: 60.00%

He did it. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Jill / Scorpion
Auron / Squall
Alucard / Tidus
Sora / Vivi
Kirby / Alucard
G'dorf / Shadow
Magus / Zero
Ness / Joe
DK / Luigi
Frog / Ryu
Aeris / Bowser
Bowser / Kefka
Tails / Ken
Yoshi / Knux
MC / Liquid
Dante / Zelda
KOS-MOS / Zelda
Fox / Vyse
Snake / Crono
Magus / Sonic
Samus / MC
Samus / Mario
Link / Cloud
Seph / Samus(or Mario)
Link or Cloud / Sephiroth

Potential matches of a bracket I'm working on. Comments appreciated.
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

DK/Luigi is a must. An absolute must.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Wow. Sonic looks like he's about to recieve a head shot at point blank range. Which I guess isn't too far from the truth.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

thanks ulti, I'll be sure to keep it. I basically looked at characters close in the X-Stats, and sacrificed their seeds a bit to get them to match up. I avoided SFF for the most part, but figure that a Squall / Auron match would be worth seeing.
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

00:00 | Cloud Strife | 00056 | +0056 | 45.90% | Sephiroth | 00066 | +0066 | 54.10% | Lead of 0010 | (Up 10)
00:15 | Cloud Strife | 00636 | +0580 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 00536 | +0470 | 45.73% | Lead of 0100 | (Up 110)
00:30 | Cloud Strife | 01076 | +0440 | 52.90% | Sephiroth | 00958 | +0422 | 47.10% | Lead of 0118 | (Up 18)
00:45 | Cloud Strife | 01470 | +0394 | 52.90% | Sephiroth | 01309 | +0351 | 47.10% | Lead of 0161 | (Up 43)
01:00 | Cloud Strife | 01836 | +0366 | 53.68% | Sephiroth | 01584 | +0275 | 46.32% | Lead of 0252 | (Up 91)
01:15 | Cloud Strife | 02157 | +0321 | 53.90% | Sephiroth | 01845 | +0261 | 46.10% | Lead of 0312 | (Up 60)
01:30 | Cloud Strife | 02438 | +0281 | 54.41% | Sephiroth | 02043 | +0198 | 45.59% | Lead of 0395 | (Up 83)
01:45 | Cloud Strife | 02702 | +0264 | 54.29% | Sephiroth | 02275 | +0232 | 45.71% | Lead of 0427 | (Up 32)
02:00 | Cloud Strife | 02937 | +0235 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 02475 | +0200 | 45.73% | Lead of 0462 | (Up 35)
02:15 | Cloud Strife | 03178 | +0241 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 02678 | +0203 | 45.73% | Lead of 0500 | (Up 38)
02:30 | Cloud Strife | 03408 | +0230 | 54.31% | Sephiroth | 02867 | +0189 | 45.69% | Lead of 0541 | (Up 41)
02:45 | Cloud Strife | 03649 | +0241 | 54.27% | Sephiroth | 03075 | +0208 | 45.73% | Lead of 0574 | (Up 33)
03:00 | Cloud Strife | 03891 | +0242 | 54.44% | Sephiroth | 03256 | +0181 | 45.56% | Lead of 0635 | (Up 61)
03:15 | Cloud Strife | 04207 | +0316 | 54.56% | Sephiroth | 03504 | +0248 | 45.44% | Lead of 0703 | (Up 68)
03:30 | Cloud Strife | 04536 | +0329 | 54.49% | Sephiroth | 03788 | +0284 | 45.51% | Lead of 0748 | (Up 45)
03:45 | Cloud Strife | 04931 | +0395 | 54.62% | Sephiroth | 04097 | +0309 | 45.38% | Lead of 0834 | (Up 86)
04:00 | Cloud Strife | 05335 | +0404 | 54.74% | Sephiroth | 04411 | +0314 | 45.26% | Lead of 0924 | (Up 90)
04:15 | Cloud Strife | 05729 | +0394 | 54.63% | Sephiroth | 04758 | +0347 | 45.37% | Lead of 0971 | (Up 47)
04:30 | Cloud Strife | 06221 | +0492 | 54.88% | Sephiroth | 05114 | +0356 | 45.12% | Lead of 1107 | (Up 136)
04:45 | Cloud Strife | 06735 | +0514 | 54.96% | Sephiroth | 05519 | +0405 | 45.04% | Lead of 1216 | (Up 109)
05:00 | Cloud Strife | 07221 | +0486 | 55.17% | Sephiroth | 05868 | +0349 | 44.83% | Lead of 1353 | (Up 137)
05:15 | Cloud Strife | 07717 | +0496 | 55.25% | Sephiroth | 06250 | +0382 | 44.75% | Lead of 1467 | (Up 114)
05:30 | Cloud Strife | 08191 | +0474 | 55.17% | Sephiroth | 06655 | +0405 | 44.83% | Lead of 1536 | (Up 69)
05:45 | Cloud Strife | 08726 | +0535 | 55.22% | Sephiroth | 07075 | +0420 | 44.78% | Lead of 1651 | (Up 115)
06:00 | Cloud Strife | 09238 | +0512 | 55.39% | Sephiroth | 07441 | +0366 | 44.61% | Lead of 1797 | (Up 146)
06:15 | Cloud Strife | 09778 | +0540 | 55.34% | Sephiroth | 07891 | +0450 | 44.66% | Lead of 1887 | (Up 90)
06:30 | Cloud Strife | 10299 | +0521 | 55.22% | Sephiroth | 08351 | +0460 | 44.78% | Lead of 1948 | (Up 61)
06:45 | Cloud Strife | 10882 | +0583 | 55.35% | Sephiroth | 08778 | +0427 | 44.65% | Lead of 2104 | (Up 156)
07:00 | Cloud Strife | 11385 | +0503 | 55.30% | Sephiroth | 09201 | +0423 | 44.70% | Lead of 2184 | (Up 80)
07:15 | Cloud Strife | 11959 | +0574 | 55.31% | Sephiroth | 09662 | +0461 | 44.69% | Lead of 2297 | (Up 113)
07:30 | Cloud Strife | 12596 | +0637 | 55.42% | Sephiroth | 10133 | +0471 | 44.58% | Lead of 2463 | (Up 166)
07:45 | Cloud Strife | 13217 | +0621 | 55.50% | Sephiroth | 10597 | +0464 | 44.50% | Lead of 2620 | (Up 157)
08:00 | Cloud Strife | 13796 | +0579 | 55.53% | Sephiroth | 11050 | +0453 | 44.47% | Lead of 2746 | (Up 126)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

08:15 | Cloud Strife | 14418 | +0622 | 55.58% | Sephiroth | 11524 | +0474 | 44.42% | Lead of 2894 | (Up 148)
08:30 | Cloud Strife | 15028 | +0610 | 55.59% | Sephiroth | 12005 | +0481 | 44.41% | Lead of 3023 | (Up 129)
08:45 | Cloud Strife | 15569 | +0541 | 55.57% | Sephiroth | 12447 | +0442 | 44.43% | Lead of 3122 | (Up 99)
09:00 | Cloud Strife | 16140 | +0571 | 55.62% | Sephiroth | 12879 | +0432 | 44.38% | Lead of 3261 | (Up 139)
09:15 | Cloud Strife | 16758 | +0618 | 55.64% | Sephiroth | 13361 | +0482 | 44.36% | Lead of 3397 | (Up 136)
09:30 | Cloud Strife | 17292 | +0534 | 55.62% | Sephiroth | 13795 | +0434 | 44.38% | Lead of 3497 | (Up 100)
09:45 | Cloud Strife | 17843 | +0551 | 55.66% | Sephiroth | 14214 | +0419 | 44.34% | Lead of 3629 | (Up 132)
10:00 | Cloud Strife | 18386 | +0543 | 55.68% | Sephiroth | 14633 | +0419 | 44.32% | Lead of 3753 | (Up 124)
10:15 | Cloud Strife | 18911 | +0525 | 55.62% | Sephiroth | 15087 | +0454 | 44.38% | Lead of 3824 | (Up 71)
10:30 | Cloud Strife | 19454 | +0543 | 55.60% | Sephiroth | 15533 | +0446 | 44.40% | Lead of 3921 | (Up 97)
10:45 | Cloud Strife | 19961 | +0507 | 55.57% | Sephiroth | 15959 | +0426 | 44.43% | Lead of 4002 | (Up 81)
11:00 | Cloud Strife | 20541 | +0580 | 55.61% | Sephiroth | 16395 | +0436 | 44.39% | Lead of 4146 | (Up 144)
11:15 | Cloud Strife | 20947 | +0406 | 55.46% | Sephiroth | 16822 | +0427 | 44.54% | Lead of 4125 | (Down 21)
11:30 | Cloud Strife | 21517 | +0570 | 55.48% | Sephiroth | 17267 | +0445 | 44.52% | Lead of 4250 | (Up 125)
11:45 | Cloud Strife | 22191 | +0674 | 55.42% | Sephiroth | 17854 | +0587 | 44.58% | Lead of 4337 | (Up 87)
12:00 | Cloud Strife | 22951 | +0760 | 55.49% | Sephiroth | 18412 | +0558 | 44.51% | Lead of 4539 | (Up 202)
12:15 | Cloud Strife | 23707 | +0756 | 55.44% | Sephiroth | 19055 | +0643 | 44.56% | Lead of 4652 | (Up 113)
12:30 | Cloud Strife | 24502 | +0795 | 55.42% | Sephiroth | 19709 | +0654 | 44.58% | Lead of 4793 | (Up 141)
12:45 | Cloud Strife | 25285 | +0783 | 55.35% | Sephiroth | 20394 | +0685 | 44.65% | Lead of 4891 | (Up 98)
13:00 | Cloud Strife | 26105 | +0820 | 55.30% | Sephiroth | 21100 | +0706 | 44.70% | Lead of 5005 | (Up 114)
13:15 | Cloud Strife | 27016 | +0911 | 55.33% | Sephiroth | 21812 | +0712 | 44.67% | Lead of 5204 | (Up 199)
13:30 | Cloud Strife | 27903 | +0887 | 55.40% | Sephiroth | 22462 | +0650 | 44.60% | Lead of 5441 | (Up 237)
13:45 | Cloud Strife | 28751 | +0848 | 55.36% | Sephiroth | 23185 | +0723 | 44.64% | Lead of 5566 | (Up 125)
14:00 | Cloud Strife | 29568 | +0817 | 55.39% | Sephiroth | 23813 | +0628 | 44.61% | Lead of 5755 | (Up 189)
14:15 | Cloud Strife | 30433 | +0865 | 55.43% | Sephiroth | 24471 | +0658 | 44.57% | Lead of 5962 | (Up 207)
14:30 | Cloud Strife | 31284 | +0851 | 55.41% | Sephiroth | 25174 | +0703 | 44.59% | Lead of 6110 | (Up 148)
14:45 | Cloud Strife | 32160 | +0876 | 55.43% | Sephiroth | 25864 | +0690 | 44.57% | Lead of 6296 | (Up 186)
15:00 | Cloud Strife | 32971 | +0811 | 55.49% | Sephiroth | 26452 | +0588 | 44.51% | Lead of 6519 | (Up 223)
15:15 | Cloud Strife | 33881 | +0910 | 55.47% | Sephiroth | 27199 | +0747 | 44.53% | Lead of 6682 | (Up 163)
15:30 | Cloud Strife | 34767 | +0886 | 55.56% | Sephiroth | 27812 | +0613 | 44.44% | Lead of 6955 | (Up 273)
15:45 | Cloud Strife | 35633 | +0866 | 55.65% | Sephiroth | 28397 | +0585 | 44.35% | Lead of 7236 | (Up 281)
16:00 | Cloud Strife | 36437 | +0804 | 55.66% | Sephiroth | 29026 | +0629 | 44.34% | Lead of 7411 | (Up 175)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

16:15 | Cloud Strife | 37252 | +0815 | 55.68% | Sephiroth | 29649 | +0623 | 44.32% | Lead of 7603 | (Up 192)
16:30 | Cloud Strife | 38019 | +0767 | 55.70% | Sephiroth | 30237 | +0588 | 44.30% | Lead of 7782 | (Up 179)
16:45 | Cloud Strife | 38764 | +0745 | 55.74% | Sephiroth | 30775 | +0538 | 44.26% | Lead of 7989 | (Up 207)
17:00 | Cloud Strife | 39441 | +0677 | 55.71% | Sephiroth | 31351 | +0576 | 44.29% | Lead of 8090 | (Up 101)
17:15 | Cloud Strife | 40163 | +0722 | 55.75% | Sephiroth | 31881 | +0530 | 44.25% | Lead of 8282 | (Up 192)
17:30 | Cloud Strife | 40822 | +0659 | 55.76% | Sephiroth | 32394 | +0513 | 44.24% | Lead of 8428 | (Up 146)
17:45 | Cloud Strife | 41456 | +0634 | 55.80% | Sephiroth | 32838 | +0444 | 44.20% | Lead of 8618 | (Up 190)
18:00 | Cloud Strife | 42055 | +0599 | 55.79% | Sephiroth | 33326 | +0488 | 44.21% | Lead of 8729 | (Up 111)
18:15 | Cloud Strife | 42743 | +0688 | 55.79% | Sephiroth | 33874 | +0548 | 44.21% | Lead of 8869 | (Up 140)
18:30 | Cloud Strife | 43386 | +0643 | 55.80% | Sephiroth | 34361 | +0487 | 44.20% | Lead of 9025 | (Up 156)
18:45 | Cloud Strife | 44004 | +0618 | 55.84% | Sephiroth | 34793 | +0432 | 44.16% | Lead of 9211 | (Up 186)
19:00 | Cloud Strife | 44569 | +0565 | 55.84% | Sephiroth | 35240 | +0447 | 44.16% | Lead of 9329 | (Up 118)
19:15 | Cloud Strife | 45347 | +0778 | 55.87% | Sephiroth | 35824 | +0584 | 44.13% | Lead of 9523 | (Up 194)
19:30 | Cloud Strife | 45668 | +0321 | 55.86% | Sephiroth | 36089 | +0265 | 44.14% | Lead of 9579 | (Up 56)
19:45 | Cloud Strife | 46166 | +0498 | 55.88% | Sephiroth | 36446 | +0357 | 44.12% | Lead of 9720 | (Up 141)
20:00 | Cloud Strife | 46679 | +0513 | 55.90% | Sephiroth | 36820 | +0374 | 44.10% | Lead of 9859 | (Up 139)
20:15 | Cloud Strife | 47121 | +0442 | 55.91% | Sephiroth | 37159 | +0339 | 44.09% | Lead of 9962 | (Up 103)
20:30 | Cloud Strife | 47543 | +0422 | 55.92% | Sephiroth | 37480 | +0321 | 44.08% | Lead of 10063 | (Up 101)
20:45 | Cloud Strife | 47960 | +0417 | 55.95% | Sephiroth | 37758 | +0278 | 44.05% | Lead of 10202 | (Up 139)
21:00 | Cloud Strife | 48363 | +0403 | 55.98% | Sephiroth | 38033 | +0275 | 44.02% | Lead of 10330 | (Up 128)
21:15 | Cloud Strife | 48702 | +0339 | 55.98% | Sephiroth | 38304 | +0271 | 44.02% | Lead of 10398 | (Up 68)
21:30 | Cloud Strife | 49015 | +0313 | 55.98% | Sephiroth | 38538 | +0234 | 44.02% | Lead of 10477 | (Up 79)
21:45 | Cloud Strife | 49291 | +0276 | 55.98% | Sephiroth | 38757 | +0219 | 44.02% | Lead of 10534 | (Up 57)
22:00 | Cloud Strife | 49565 | +0274 | 56.00% | Sephiroth | 38943 | +0186 | 44.00% | Lead of 10622 | (Up 88)
22:15 | Cloud Strife | 49813 | +0248 | 55.99% | Sephiroth | 39161 | +0218 | 44.01% | Lead of 10652 | (Up 30)
22:30 | Cloud Strife | 50089 | +0276 | 56.01% | Sephiroth | 39339 | +0178 | 43.99% | Lead of 10750 | (Up 98)
22:45 | Cloud Strife | 50316 | +0227 | 56.01% | Sephiroth | 39525 | +0186 | 43.99% | Lead of 10791 | (Up 41)
23:00 | Cloud Strife | 50517 | +0201 | 56.01% | Sephiroth | 39673 | +0148 | 43.99% | Lead of 10844 | (Up 53)
23:15 | Cloud Strife | 50703 | +0186 | 56.00% | Sephiroth | 39833 | +0160 | 44.00% | Lead of 10870 | (Up 26)
23:30 | Cloud Strife | 50871 | +0168 | 56.01% | Sephiroth | 39956 | +0123 | 43.99% | Lead of 10915 | (Up 45)
23:45 | Cloud Strife | 51028 | +0157 | 56.00% | Sephiroth | 40101 | +0145 | 44.00% | Lead of 10927 | (Up 12)
00:00 | Cloud Strife | 51179 | +0151 | 56.00% | Sephiroth | 40211 | +0110 | 44.00% | Lead of 10968 | (Up 41)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

60.59% of the brackets had Cloud going to the final four...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Score-Brackets-% Right
112---1--------0.0000000
111---7--------100.0000000
110---21-------85.7142857
109---59-------88.1355932
108---100------76.0000000
107---123------81.3008130
106---127------81.1023622
105---150------85.3333333
104---169------83.4319527
103---206------79.1262136
102---220------77.7272727
101---245------82.4489796
100---276------76.8115942
99----285------82.1052632
98----327------78.5932722
97----316------76.8987342
96----391------79.2838875
95----434------76.9585253
94----461------75.4880694
93----459------73.6383442
92----541------72.8280961
91----536------75.5597015
90----582------73.1958763
89----621------70.8534622
88----666------72.8228228
87----658------72.4924012
86----701------69.3295292
85----692------69.7976879
84----792------72.0959596
83----785------68.5350318
82----818------67.6039120
81----844------66.7061611
80----879------67.1217292
79----906------65.1214128
78----957------66.9801463
77----928------62.6077586
76----985------64.8730964
75----964------62.5518672
74----924------63.9610390
73----923------62.8385699
72----939------59.6379127
71----840------59.2857143
70----854------59.3676815
69----844------55.2132701
68----849------58.7750294
67----701------54.0656205
66----661------53.8577912
65----620------55.0000000
64----659------51.8968134
63----553------49.7287523
62----512------50.3906250
61----467------45.1820128
60----398------47.4874372
59----408------45.3431373
58----352------45.1704545
57----318------39.9371069
56----299------33.7792642
55----257------37.3540856
54----227------32.5991189
53----219------36.0730594
52----188------30.8510638
51----178------25.8426966
50----170------31.1764706
49----161------24.8447205
48----134------18.6567164
47----121------24.7933884
46----122------22.1311475
45----107------10.2803738
44----90-------24.4444444
43----79-------13.9240506
42----87-------11.4942529
41----66-------4.5454545
40----59-------10.1694915
39----56-------3.5714286
38----49-------4.0816327
37----50-------2.0000000
36----36-------5.5555556
35----40-------0.0000000
34----35-------5.7142857
33----27-------3.7037037
32----23-------4.3478261
31----20-------5.0000000

Nobody with a score of 30 or lower got the match right. Only 1 group did perfect this time around, all 7 -1's got the match right. The next few tiers score in the high 80's, guess that Sephiroth upset wasn't as tempting as some may have thought.

Six people fell off the Top 50 today. zegota, goku z, PreciousTorso, sonten1, Blaze12 and the last standing perfect Tomoyo did not have Cloud winning the match today. Four of the six had Sephiroth winning the contest, the other two has Link and Mega Man winning.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Looks like the top of the leaderboard has been pretty consistant. After spending a few matches in 16th place I've only now managed to get into 15th after Tomoyo's fall. I might still get in the top 10, 8 of it's current occumpants have Link winning it all and I have Cloud, but I doubt I have a real shot at winning the contest.

Still, it's been fun atleast being in the running...

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Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo merge to create...Microtendony!
"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

I got the extension for the Reloader and I managed to nail it so that it reloads right on the 30 second mark so it looks like this:

2004-09-30 00:24:00
2004-09-30 00:23:30
2004-09-30 00:23:00
2004-09-30 00:22:30
2004-09-30 00:22:00

=)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Only 54.13% had him in the Final Four last year. People always underestimate Cloud for whatever reason.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Only 54.13% had him in the Final Four last year. People always underestimate Cloud for whatever reason.

I thought 60% was fairly good, considering that he faced Sephiroth.

But then, Crono might've tricked some "omg square = instant win" people into putting him over Link... maybe >.>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So, did I miss discussion on the 4% change between seph and cloud? Any agreements on cloud increase, or seph decrease, or poll location change simply doing that much?

Hasn't Seph underperformed every match so far, most of which were SFF? I don't think Cloud could have gone up that much, simply Seph going down a bit, and from poll placement
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Score: 91/96
Link, Megaman, Cloud, Samus / Link, Cloud / Cloud

There was some discussion in this topic, yes...

I don't think anyone could answer definitively though... Sephiroth going down seems more likely to me, but I don't know for certain.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Samus is going to be a beast next year. MP2, a packaged demo of Hunters, and Hunters all by the next contest.

She should definitely spice it up.

I think the packaged demo could help her as much as Metroid Prime 2, if enough people buy a DS who haven't played a Metroid game before.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Mumei, so do I. Seriously I had her as maybe 3rd strongest next year without the demo.

With the demo, it depends on the bracket.

I think:
Cloud > Link
Samus >Cloud
Link > Samus due to SFF

I'm glad Nintendo is giving Samus the exposure she deserves. Her and Link are far better characters to try and feed to the current gamer than Mario. We're getting olser. Our games need to grow along with us, and Nintendo seems to finally be realizing this. Now if they would pull a Sony and start shelling out money to third parties so that the third parties would make games only for them, they would be back in business.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Oh man... I just thought of that. Imagine how strong Samus will be NEXT YEAR. She'll slaughter everyone!

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I am Lucid Faia.

Older, not olser.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Nintendo has $11 billion in cash... I don't see why they don't spend a little more money on that. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I feel like taking up a post to say that Lucid Faia has kicked some serious ass as a user ever since his main was Purg'd. I forget why I was even arguing with him that one day -_-
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Exactly, Mumei. Could you imagine how powerful Nintendo could be if, say, Namco only made games for Nintendo?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Nintendo made $200 million in one quarter earlier this year - not sales, actual profits. And where do they put all that money? I don't believe that even half of that goes back into making new games...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh and I'd prefer Capcom, myself. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nintendo needs to be on the forefront next gen. Not grabbing series that did well this generation (GTA, MGS). But making new franchises and getting third party exclusive new franchises. GTA and Halo wont be the big two next gen like Mario, RE, and FF arent as big this gen as last one. New Franchises with Zelda, Metroid, RE (They need to keep this), Mario (platform ones), and full third party support will help.

I don't prefer Capcom. I'm hoping for an MMX collection one day, and playing 2D games on the Gamecube controller makes me die a little inside.

Except for SSBM. That game uses the horrendous Gamecube analog stick quite nicely.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

If Nintendo could make one solid investment, I think a buyout of Capcom would be it.

"Updates Left: 96
Samus's % last update: 60.47%

"Updates Left: 95
Samus's % last update: 57.80%

"Updates Left: 94
Samus's % last update: 59.12%

"Updates Left: 93
Samus's % last update: 59.26%


"Updates Left: 92
Samus's % last update: 53.96%

Not bad for the most recent update (for Sonic). However, the next update is looking very good for Samus. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heh, thanks. You and I just share an appreciation for Samus.

Who knows what Nintendo is doing with that money... hopefully investing it into the Revolution and it's initial lineup of games.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Revolution? Ugh, what a bad name.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

The news about Warp Pipe though is definitely something. Would be extremely smart of Nintendo to of made a play there.

Seriously.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++