The last two days featured two Square SFF matches. Does it get more boring than that?

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

***Miscellaneous***

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Tagged for future reference.
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Acknowledge my stupidity, Ulti! ;[

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*taggage*
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I think FFDragon just became my new Idol. Screw Clockspider. ~Crimson Sword

A bit early? Topic 69's not at 300 yet.
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*smites Yoshi, Tails, and Vyse for wrecking his SC2k4 chances*

I have a question, why do a third of the users on this board believe Clinkeroth to be totally invincible? And what is more confusing to me is that a few of them say that Clinkeroth was "always" invincible and always will be...
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Yup. Pretty boring. Can't wait for next round to start... MATCHES IN QUESTION AGAIN!!!
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SC2k4 Score: 71/84 Todays Pick: Sephiroth over Auron
My Mistakes Rd. 2:Luigi, Kefka, Tails Rd.3: Frog

It's fairly obvious that I'm hot, ohfennsiv. No need to ask =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Cleroth (not link) will slowly decline.

especially if the sequels suck, it'll speed up.
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*smites Yoshi, Tails, and Vyse for wrecking his SC2k4 chances*

I have a question, why do a third of the users on this board believe Clinkeroth to be totally invincible? And what is more confusing to me is that a few of them say that Clinkeroth was "always" invincible and always will be...

Because they've never been beaten before(only exeption is Mario, anything can happen in a battle with TEH gaming icon) what makes you think they'll lose now?
They were the 1,2,3 absolute best last time around, and FF7, OOt also were the 2 strongest contender in the game contest. Clinkeroth IS invincible.
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Fable > *insert a game here*

Cloud and Sephiroth...die off on a site that revolves around FFVII? Yeah, right. Even if the sequels are criticized by the general public, FFVII fans will still eat them up.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Actually, if DMC2 is any indication, apparently sucky sequels can help you.
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
{34}

Clinkeroth is only invincible because people look at last year's contest and think things cannot change; then they somehow forget how weak Cloud was in 2002 in comparison to his 2003 numbers. No one is guaranteed a championship just because they won last time nor are three certain characters the only ones who can win. Changes from year to year aren't taken into account by stats.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Because they've never been beaten before(only exeption is Mario, anything can happen in a battle with TEH gaming icon) what makes you think they'll lose now?
They were the 1,2,3 absolute best last time around, and FF7, OOt also were the 2 strongest contender in the game contest. Clinkeroth IS invincible.

Because he's never been beaten before (no exception), what makes you think he'll lose now? He was the absolute 1 best last time around. Link IS invincible.
^2002 version. Changes happen.
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"It's fairly obvious that I'm hot, ohfennsiv. No need to ask =)"

o o k. thx. =] i new u were hott. u hav 2 b 2 win a kontest!! rekwiermentz, u no.

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Because he's never been beaten before (no exception), what makes you think he'll lose now? He was the absolute 1 best last time around. Link IS invincible.

Praise goes to Planetgamecube.com. Had they not prevent cloud from advancing, the victor in 2002 could very well be the FF7 spiky haired hero.

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Fable > *insert a game here*

Sonic stands no chance.

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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Praise goes to Planetgamecube.com. Had they not prevent cloud from advancing, the victor in 2002 could very well be the FF7 spiky haired hero.

Speaking of them, has anyone looked at their forums recently? People who even mentioned Mario vs. Crono had the topics locked and some were banned.

Apparently mentioning the contest is a no-no over there now. ^_^;
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sonic stands no chance.

Of losing, that is!

ZING!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

So PGC would have made up 12% of the Link voters? That's ridiculous. Link demolished everything in his path that year. Cloud would have been no exception, and could have easily done worse than Sephiroth.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

All I want for christmas is another Frog/MC-type match.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 84/88 Rank: T-93

Thinking Clinkeroth is and will always be invincible is a foolishly narrow minded viewpoint to have. Things change. Characters increase and decrease in strength. Tell me, how would those three have done in 1997?
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"my school at teh cafetrial ONLY has fried chciken' and evryday its in a differnt form but theyre all basically teh same thing." - Wiggumfan

So PGC would have made up 12% of the Link voters? That's ridiculous. Link demolished everything in his path that year. Cloud would have been no exception, and could have easily done worse than Sephiroth.

Compare Mario vs. Cloud and Mario vs. Crono.

Mario was essentially tied with both of them, but he received much more total votes against Cloud, due to PGC's interference.

If PGC had not interfere, the finals would've been Cloud vs. Link.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

...and you people to get over the 12%! It was freakin' SFF that makes it look that way! It would not be anymore obvious to me even if it killed my father and raped my mother. Link>All in Nintendo land, and Link Samus showed this. There was SFF in there too. We have seen the degree by which SFF in Nintendo can strike, so stop defying the obvious!
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 84/88 Rank: T-93

I thought it was determined that the SFF in Link vs. Mario was limited based on Sephiroth vs. Mario in 2003 and then comparing Link and Sephiroth's performances against Cloud...

And even though Cloud would've won in 2002 without PGC, it was only going to be about 52%, right?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I wasn't even going for 500 in the last topic, but damn, I like my post in it's spot.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Ah, the 500th post was anti-Ultros. Nicely done.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

And by the way, only one stats topic has ever failed to reach 500 posts.

The very first one.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I like Ultros. He's a fun character to me, but I can see why others wouldn't like him. He kicks butt in a duel, too.

And that, with any luck, will be the last words on the subject until Ultros gets into SC2K7.
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Perhaps you weren't hott enough, then.

I blame the weatherman.

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From: Leonhart4 | Posted: 9/25/2004 2:11:50 AM | Message Detail
Ah, the 500th post was anti-Ultros. Nicely done.

Damned right. When it comes to the NPCs in that game, Interceptor >>>>> Ultros.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

So PGC would have made up 12% of the Link voters? That's ridiculous. Link demolished everything in his path that year. Cloud would have been no exception, and could have easily done worse than Sephiroth.

The 2002 exes would have Sephiroth WAY above Cloud actually. And he means thank PGC for helping Mario past Cloud. Mario deserved to win that anyways, as he deserves to win one of these contests.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Damned right. When it comes to the NPCs in that game, Interceptor >>>>> Ultros.

Interceptor >>> that crappy Interceptor wannabe Angelo (or whateve the hell the name of Rinoa's dog is), too.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think Mario performed waaaay over his head against Cloud. The first contest had oddities all over the place. You would see people voting for their favorites in one match, and then their brackets later on. I'm telling you, Sonic/Samus was the turning point in that contest. Our little GameFAQs contest turned into an internet legend on that day, and it would only get better with Mega Man/Sephiroth and Mario/Cloud coming in consecutive days afterwards. I doubt that you will ever see three better matches in a row than what we saw that year. Spring 2004 came close, but it was sort of ruined with the dud matches that were FF7/OOT and Mario3/Chrono Trigger.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Not really.
Mario got close to 50% against both Cloud and Crono.
But against Cloud he got a total of almost 65k, while he only got close to 54k against Crono.

So without PGC, Mario would've gotten roughly the same amount as he got on Crono and lost badly.

65000/(65000+55000) = 54.16%
Note that I put down 55k instead to be generous to Mario.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Interceptor >>> that crappy Interceptor wannabe Angelo (or whateve the hell the name of Rinoa's dog is), too.

Oh Christ, don't even get me started on Rinoa. I doubt that even Leonhart4 can tolerate that one.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Ultros is a wonderful comic relief. The guy crashes an opera... then becomes a receptionist. He's just that cool.

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I am Lucid Faia.

My post was to answer Mumei's question btw.

I forgot to quote.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Rinoa's not the most likeable character in the world (*understatement alarm blares in the background*), but the game wouldn't have been complete without her. She's the perfect complement to Squall's character, as I have so thoroughly explained in my Squall FAQ in progress.

</shameless plug>

However, Angelo and Interceptor have saved me in battle on countless occasions. They both rock.
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Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

No offense, but I find that lame. An entire character's purpose doesn't need to be comic relief.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Put Frog/Liquid, Jill/Ryu, and Frog/MC all right in a row and you'd have a better set.

Combined vote difference: 127 =D
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Agreed. That's why you fight him several times. And why newcomers to the game have a lot of trouble with him. :D

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I am Lucid Faia.

Not really.
Mario got close to 50% against both Cloud and Crono.
But against Cloud he got a total of almost 65k, while he only got close to 54k against Crono.

So without PGC, Mario would've gotten roughly the same amount as he got on Crono and lost badly.

65000/(65000+55000) = 54.16%
Note that I put down 55k instead to be generous to Mario.

I don't believe that is true; the link didn't go up until later in the match and Cloud had only a slim lead over Mario (from what I've heard).

So it isn't like that link went up at the beginning of the match and affected the entire match...

But I still find it funny that Mario managed 65,000 that year against Cloud, but couldn't even scrape together 53,000 against Sephiroth in 2003.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

However, Angelo and Interceptor have saved me in battle on countless occasions. They both rock.

Angelo rocks only if you teach him Invincible Moon and nothing else.

Otherwise he's too unpredictable to even worth using.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Invincible Moon AND Wishing Star. The latter saved me against Bahamut when all of my characters were in critical condition and near death after Mega Flare. I was using Rinoa's limit in hopes of getting Invincible Moon, and she used Wishing Star instead. It was the first time I'd ever seen her use it, and afterwards I was like, "...Whoa."
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

And Angelo is actually a "she," believe it or not. There's only one instance in the game that actually refers to the gender of the dog. I thought Angelo was a male for the longest time as well.

...Yeah, that was pointless.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I just realized how crazy that is.

ONE Mario/Crono match wasn't even as close as all three of those matches. This contest hasn't been so bad after all.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

......But Angelo is a male name...

*explodes*

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I am Lucid Faia.

I don't believe that is true; the link didn't go up until later in the match and Cloud had only a slim lead over Mario (from what I've heard).

Well, considering he only got 54k against Crono, one has to wonder where did those extra 11k went.

The different days of the week surely isn't enough to account for that.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Lucid is right.

*goes to bed*
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

If memory serves, the PGC link went up about midday was it? I remember Cloud had about a 1000 vote lead at the time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well, considering he only got 54k against Crono, one has to wonder where did those extra 11k went.

The different days of the week surely isn't enough to account for that.

Hype, and vote rallying maybe? That match was probably one of the most hyped of the contest, and I'm sure someone who was their could attest to that.

If memory serves, the PGC link went up about midday was it? I remember Cloud had about a 1000 vote lead at the time.

I don't remember, but I believe that someone (maybe charmander6000?) posted something about that on the Prophet Challenge boards...


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Invincible Moon AND Wishing Star. The latter saved me against Bahamut when all of my characters were in critical condition and near death after Mega Flare. I was using Rinoa's limit in hopes of getting Invincible Moon, and she used Wishing Star instead. It was the first time I'd ever seen her use it, and afterwards I was like, "...Whoa."

Wishing star is just "meh", I'd put Rinoa in Angel Wing if I want damage.

All I want is for her to protect the others so they can stay at critical all the time without risk of death.

So Angelo is a "she"?
Bleh, I always assume everything is Male unless it's obviously female.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Eh, Angel Wing is too inconsistent. I've never liked berserked characters. Wishing Star deals solid damage.
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I assume that you tried to kill Bahamut without blinding him?

And HM, Cloud had a steady increase going until that link was posted. He was royally screwed in that match.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Blinding Bahamut doesn't protect you from Mega Flare. I was underleveled at that point, so I didn't have the power to take him out before he got it off.
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I do remember him increasing his lead up until the link was posted.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Eh, Angel Wing is too inconsistent. I've never liked berserked characters. Wishing Star deals solid damage.

Not if you hacked up Rinoa's junctions.

If you give Rinoa no offensive magic but Meteor, she'll use that exclusively.

Alternatively you can allow 100 of powerful spells like Flare and Ultima to boost her stats, then give her 1 Meteor.
She has a high tendency of using the spell with the least number.

You can guard status effects by equipping the Ribbon GF ability (I GS'd for it).

As for the fact that she's semi-berserk, that's the reason I prefer to abuse Invincible Moon instead.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, at least the match broke 80,000 votes.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Blinding Bahamut doesn't protect you from Mega Flare. I was underleveled at that point, so I didn't have the power to take him out before he got it off.

That's actually better, at lv 100 the two Ruby dragons before him can be devastating.

Shell and/or defend will reduce the damage you took from Bahamut's Mega Flare.

Although I'm surprised you could survive it.
I heard it's even more devastating that Ruby dragon's infamous breath.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, my junctions gave me 9999 HP. At level 100, I breezed through the Deep Sea Research Center. I liberally abused Lionheart and Duel though.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I still can't believe I switched Crono to Mario in my bracket. *shakes head*
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I can. You wouldn't be DM if you didn't do that. =)

Then again, I can't speak... I did the same thing. XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You switched to Mario? XD

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I am Lucid Faia.

I still can't believe I switched Crono to Mario in my bracket. *shakes head*

That's not a bad pick at all, considering that match has always been a coin toss in the past.

MM over Link though, that's strecthing it waaay too far.

Considering that you made your bracket before the contest even started.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

If anything my biggest error will have been that right there. I knew Crono was going to win this year, and I never even bothered to get that hyped up about the match. Just after seeing how well Crono did last year was enough to warrant him repeating that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Heh, Sonic had 75% when I voted.
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Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I knew Crono was going to win this year, and I never even bothered to get that hyped up about the match. Just after seeing how well Crono did last year was enough to warrant him repeating that.

Seriously, how did you predict that?

It has always been a 50-50 match until this year, and I saw absolutely no signs of either char making a significant increase/decrease that would make Crono's win foreseeable.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Up until that miraculous comeback Crono was looking to win that match with 1000+ votes. Note that, that was with the casual vote increase to help out Mario. The results this year really weren't that surprising to me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

It has always been a 50-50 match until this year, and I saw absolutely no signs of either char making a significant increase/decrease that would make Crono's win foreseeable.

The stat nuts saw plenty of reasons, the biggest of which being the fact that there were 3000 cheated votes in 2002, and NOT 400. That makes Crono's increase in 2003 all the more impressive, and Chrono Trigger's win over Mario 3 in the Spring the nail in the coffin. Mario has been living on the edge for far too long against Crono to constantly win close matches with such large signs of weakness working against him.
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86.78% sided with the One-Winged Angel this round. I can't think of anything witty to say about that other than "Come on! It's spooning Sephy here! He should not be that low."
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I never put much stock into the Spring Contest victories; I just looked at how Crono was suppose to win last year. Unfortunately, I switched my bracket to Mario with three days left to make changes. >>
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

86.78% sided with the One-Winged Angel this round. I can't think of anything witty to say about that other than "Come on! It's spooning Sephy here! He should not be that low."

... what the...

What are people thinking when they put Sephiroth done to lose this early?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*down
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sonic is sitting right at the 60-61% mark as of now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Score-Brackets-% Right
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81----63-------100.0000000
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71----577------97.5736568
70----704------98.7215909
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67----1018-----97.6424361
66----1145-----96.4192140
65----1179-----95.3350297
64----1357-----96.2417097
63----1388-----95.8933718
62----1482-----94.8043185
61----1489-----94.6944258
60----1559-----93.2007697
59----1480-----93.3108108
58----1480-----89.8648649
57----1415-----91.5901060
56----1351-----89.2672095
55----1233-----87.8345499
54----1153-----88.0312229
53----1118-----83.3631485
52----1057-----83.2544939
51----841------80.8561237
50----769------79.0637191
49----659------76.4795144
48----639------75.4303599
47----526------73.7642586
46----451------62.0842572
45----390------63.5897436
44----338------58.8757396
43----287------51.2195122
42----228------46.4912281
41----207------51.2077295
40----188------45.7446809
39----181------38.1215470
38----155------41.2903226
37----148------37.1621622
36----102------26.4705882
35----95-------25.2631579
34----87-------13.7931034
33----63-------17.4603175
32----43-------27.9069767
31----48-------22.9166667
30----37-------10.8108108
29----26-------11.5384615
28----30-------23.3333333
27----25-------20.0000000
26----15-------20.0000000
25----13-------7.6923077
24----17-------5.8823529
23----3--------66.6666667
22----9--------0.0000000
21----5--------20.0000000
20----3--------33.3333333

Nobody with a score of 19 or lower got the match right. Perfect performance by the top tiers again. No changes in the Top 50 but we should start seeing some more shakeups in the next few matches.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

He's looking great if he can hover around there until the day vote, when he'll really take off.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Sonic needs to drop... I have Dante winning this spread. >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah, Dante won't look too good if Sonic gets the day vote from a 60% starting point.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

No, he doesn't. Sonic needs to go up, up, up!
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I think Dante will do a decent job of limiting his takeoff ability with the day vote. Sonic will definitely win it, but Dante shouldn't let him just go crazy.

I'm only hoping that within the hour he'll be able to bring it down under 60%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

...Dante lost the day vote to Ratchet. Sonic will take it and run with it. After all, running is what he does best. Dante doesn't look like he's gotten any stronger either. He couldn't even threaten like Ryu did.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

What are people thinking when they put Sephiroth done to lose this early?

Just look at MM and Snake's prediction percentages.

My mind hurts just from trying to guess what those people were thinking when they made their brackets.

Sure enough MM and Snake aren't as "sure-fire" as Clinkeroth, but they're not going out in round 3 to mid-level opponents.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Not to mention, Dante also lost the day vote by a good bit against Tails. No doubt Sonic can do better.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

...Dante lost the day vote to Ratchet

Yet Tails did almost nothing with it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Dante will have to press hard with the early morning and late night vote if he's to break 40%.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Tails took off more than a percent against Dante with the day vote.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Starting from Samus vs Sora on we are in for a bunch of good matches.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I think this one is pretty good myself.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Sure enough MM and Snake aren't as "sure-fire" as Clinkeroth, but they're not going out in round 3 to mid-level opponents.

Mega had what is on paper the strongest eight-pack in the tourney, with fan favourites from a variety of sources (Shadow, Tommy, Zero), as well as the ever-dangerous (and underrated) Tidus. His percentage didn't surprise me.

As for Dave, well, Frog and MC were both likely "upset" picks for people, and Kefka may have been a wild card there as well.
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Compared to what Ratchet did, Tails wasn't exactly stellar with the day vote. Then again, Ratchet took the day vote away from Luigi of all people. I wouldn't say losing the day vote to him means your doomed against someone else. No doubt that Sonic will get the day vote, but it shouldn't be anything that massive.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Sonic is still going up even without it. Dante's in for a world of hurt.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

There's nothing good about this match. >>
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Maybe SFAC did cancel out whatever Sonic got from Heroes.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

The percentages haven't stabilized or anything, but right now Sonic is overperforming by 1.85%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Starting from Samus vs Sora on we are in for a bunch of good matches.

What do you mean?

- Samus will rape Sora so bad there will be nothing left of his **** once she's done with him.

- Link will dice up Crono and make the winner obvious from the first hour.

- MM will blow through Snake and then wonder why his opponent never showed up.

- Only Cloud vs. Sephy has the potential to be "interesting".

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

With that wonderful day vote to look forward to.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Cloud vs Sephiroth won't be as interesting as people think. Especially not afte Cloud and Sephiroth's third round performances.

Cloud already had the edge at the beginning of the contest and now it simply isn't even something to think about.

We finally get to show Samus's true strength.
And we get to see how Link stands.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

- Samus will rape Sora so bad there will be nothing left of his **** once she's done with him.

We, yet again, get to see if Samus can meet the range that she needs to in order to challenge Cloud. Plus, we'll see how she fairs against her first real competition.

- Link will dice up Crono and make the winner obvious from the first hour.

I'm wanting to know just how well Crono will do facing someone from Nintendo who ISN'T Mario. I'm expecting a solid 40%+ performance from him here. Despite how we know the winner, we'll get to see how well Crono does.

- MM will blow through Snake and then wonder why his opponent never showed up.

Another match in which we'll be able to determine if Mega Man can hit the range he needs in order to take on Link in the next round. That certainly makes it interesting despite knowing the winner.

- Only Cloud vs. Sephy has the potential to be "interesting".

The only thing interesting about this is how much Cloud wins by, honestly.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Oh and I forgot to add that Link finally gets his first actual competition in that match. We'll get to see just how well he fairs.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Now he's already overperforming by a good 2%+ with the day vote tomorrow.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well, if what you guys consider interesting are matches from which you can derive your X-stats, I guess the next round onward WILL be interesting.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

They'll be interesting in determining the characters strength for the final four and onward. Link gets real competition, Mega Man goes up against Snake to get an idea of the increase, we see if Cloud can win by a bigger margin than before, and we'll see if Samus is capable of beating Cloud in the next round.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

The Snake vs Megaman isnt going to help much. If Megaman does well then everyone will say that Snake has fallen. If megaman messes up and does poorly then everyone will say snake is stronger than he seems due to his crappy last match picture.. We're not going to know much about Megaman..
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

I'm also looking forward to Mega Man's performance so we can see how he might match up against Link.

Remember the bet we have going on HM:

-Signature bet (length to last 1 month after contest ends as well)

-A post topic full of nothing but praise about how the user who won is a god and how me/you idolize him.

-Undying support for characters of winner's choosing for the rest of the contest. (ie, you call who I have to root for from then on and vice versa). Every post in a topic/contest discussion regarding said character will include endless support and reasoning as to why he is so great.

"The post topic will have to garner much attention to epitomize defeat at the hand's of the opponent and will have to contain a good thorough writeup, repeatedly stating and explaining why the opponent is so godly."

The last quote is taken way back in an older contest discussion topic from when I first brought up the bet.

I just can't wait until Monday. I'm anxious to see where Link stands for certain...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

How much does Samus need tomorrow in order to look like a legit threat come the Final 4?
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summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Well, I'm hoping for 70-30, too bad it's hard to gauge exactly how strong Sora is. He looks a stronger than previously thought... unless Jill and Ryu are just that weak.
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Current score 71/84 :( Next match: Sephiroth

I say 70-72, because she needs 64-66 on Sonic.

Any chance a Fable characters gets in next year considering how well it is selling and how popular the FAQ is going to be for a long time?

Personally, I didn't care too much for the game. I beat it in exactly 9 hours and 52 minutes and did every sidequest, married twice, and did everything outside of collecting all the keys and dolls. The substance just wans't there.

Sonic putting up some good numbers. Hopefully, high ranked people will have Ryu/Viewtiful Joe/Tails/Dante/KOS-MOS beating Sonic, as I want to break into that leaderboard.

I can't wait till this contest gets exciting...
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 85 of 88
Today: Sonic. Tomorrow: Samus.

Under 10 hours on first play through... that's extremely short. Especially considering you did all the sidequests, etc.

Then again, Super Metroid isn't the longest game ever, but it's certainly one of the best.


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Current score 75/88 :( Next match: Sonic

There is a difference between Fable and Super Metroid, though. I could go deeper into its stengths and weaknesses, but its no Morrowind. Its no KOTOR. Its definitely no Zelda. It is a decent Adventure/RPG game.

From the last topic...

And thus I continue my grand tradition of being completely and totally ignored, even if I make a friggin' huge post.

What post did you make? If it was in topic 69, I didn't see it.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 80/84
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sephiroth with 71.11%

Also from the last topic:

About the petitions on SS about 'retiring' the champions, would it be possible to create a petition to ban those sorts of petitions? >_>

If no one's done this already, it's a good idea. Considering that cjayc seems a little out of touch with the contest, I'm a kind of afraid these petitions could have an effect.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 80/84
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sephiroth with 71.11%

The percentages haven't stabilized or anything, but right now Sonic is overperforming by 1.85%.

However, if you assume the relationship between Sonic and Tails is constant, then Sonic is currently underperforming by around 5%. I didn't think he would be quite that high today, but 59.58% seemed like a low estimate to me.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

Sonic just got 61%, maybe he can double Dante before the poll ends.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.76/84

Sonic is on course to doubling Dante.

If Samus fails to break 70% aganist Sora I would favour Sonic to defeat her.

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*Smurf*

Actually, I changed my mind, Sonic will never beat Samus, ever

>_>
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*Smurf*

Didn't read all the stuff that was said last night, I hope you can understand me for that.

However, the Mario/Cloud match definitely had something weird going down there. Alucard and Tails were both terribly underrated in the X-Sts in 2002, and it also explains why Link/Fox had no apparent SFF when, in fact, there was.

So, how would've Cloud normally done against Mario? If Alucard stayed the same... Cloud would've gotten 59.08% against Mario, and 45.39% against Link.

However, there isn't any indication of Link/Mario OR Link/Samus SFF, other than the fact that Samus has been tearing everything to bits so far. Plus, Link/Mario SFF goes hand in hand with Cloud/Sephiroth reverse SFF. Yeah, right.

Oh, and look at Sonic go. Wonder what'll happen with the day vote... should I be worried about my account just yet?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

I think that the predictability of the Elite 8 will make a couple of the matches following to be interesting. Samus and Mega Man are the only locks in my mind. They will be killing their opponents in the elite8. the only question is, will there be anything surprising about link vs. crono and cloud vs. sephy. Even if the probable winners do advance, how close will the matches actually be, and what will it mean for upset potential in the matches to follow? I think there will be at least one unexpected victory to finish out the contest. No one will like this contest anymore if things just go Link Mega Man Cloud Samus, Link Cloud, Cloud. One upset makes things interesting again. I'm personally voting for every upset I can.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:42.80 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 1998th place

I'm thinking Samus has the best shot right now. Crono's expected to get 40.65% against Link, and that's assuming Mario didn't fall at all. Snake... yeah, right. Sephiroth may still has a shot, but he's not looking nearly strong enough. Sonic's having a good match today, but remember that he conceded the night vote to RYU of all people. (Speaking of which, it's like Sonic is saying "Hey, talk about me a little!" with these results.)

Nope, if there's any upset, it's probably going to be in the semis.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Your ideal scenario only has 79,000 votes?

In a Cloud/Sephiroth match, pretty much.

In Cloud/Link I want 120,000 at least.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

From the old topic:

That I agree, if he can maintain such a huge fanbase all the way from the SNES era without any recent appearance, a remake will have him shooting through the roof.

FF Chronicles was released pre-2k2.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

That's part of the reason I hate Ultros so much, and everyone acts like I've committed treason everytime I say that.

If you don't know what you're doing, the first fight w/Ultros can be pretty hard. =\
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

No, he didn't. Ultros failed at ruining the opera. It ended up being even better due to his incompetence.

WHOAMG SPOILER U SPOIL'T MAH FFSIX.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/25/2004 2:10:41 AM | Message Detail
If I wanted to crash an opera, I would use a lot more competence. Sniper rifle from the rafters all the way, probably at the cutest girl in the cast. Screw the runaround planning and such.

Best. 500 Post. Evar.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

There's nothing good about this match. >>

Except Sonic's pic, the fact that Sonic has the lead, and that he's pwning the spread. =)
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

Sure enough MM and Snake aren't as "sure-fire" as Clinkeroth, but they're not going out in round 3 to mid-level opponents.

Frog was my upset special, and he came within 1.5% of doing it, not to mention that if he had I would be #1 on the leaderboard.

But besides that, yeah, I know what you mean. ;x

And regarding Samus/Sora - it won't show us much, considering that Sora is one of the most inconsistent performers with only two Xtrapolated matches. From losing 60-40 to Jill to winning 60-40 on Jill? Please.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

Did one of these for the first round, what, must have been three weeks or so ago now, so here's a quick round-up of the second round - obviously I'm writing some of the prospects retrospectively:

(1) Link def. (8) Ganondorf

The first of many SFF matches in this round, and it was just a question of how much really. In the end, it makes CATS look like a powerhouse...

Link's prospects - should have a cakewalk through to the later stages.
Ganondorf's SC2K5 prospects - surely will return, and with a better draw and seeding.

(5) Yoshi def. (4) Luigi

My only error in this round (and my last mistake to this point), as Yoshi cruised to an easy win, roughly 55-45. Needless to say, they were both competing for the right to be crushed by Link in the last 16. Can't say I liked this result bracketwise or personally, but anyway...

Yoshi's prospects - Link fodder
Luigi's SC2K5 prospects - Will likely return, but I'm guessing as a 7-9 seed, he's done nothing to suggest he deserves much higher.

(3) Crono def. (6) Magus

SFF-alicious as usual, Crono doubling Magus. Just a prelude to the next round really.

Crono's prospects - possibly his best chance of beating Mario. Then he'd likely face Link, and that's a whole step up in class that he probably won't make.
Magus' SC2K5 prospects - IMO, given the right draw, could easily be the first non-Toasty powered non-Noble 9 character to reach the last 8. Will be back.

(2) Mario def. (7) Bowser

Entire board/site chalks up another two points as Mario breaks 70% against the old enemy, next...

Mario's prospects - It's either lose to Crono or lose to Link.
Bowser's SC2K5 prospects - Will return, almost certainly with a 5-8 seed.

(1) Mega Man def. (8) Tidus

An easy 65-35 victory for MM, whereas Tidus finishes up looking pretty solid.

Mega Man's prospects - taking out Tommy or Zero is a given, and still looks a strong favourite to win the division.
Tidus' SC2K5 prospects - Has surprised a few people here, will probably be back for another run next time.

(4) Zero def. (5) Tommy Vercetti

Zero wins, approaching 62% near the end. Another match which seemed obvious but had a small percentage of the general voters fooled with only 31% taking Zero for the victory.

Zero's prospects - grim
Tommy's SC2K5 prospects - very dependent on how San Andreas goes down. Will likely see a big drop in seeding.

(6) Frog def. (3) Master Chief

Will follow in the next post as it's a bit long...

(2) Solid Snake def. (10) Knuckles

And after that, Snake lays the mandatory smackdown on some worthless fodder.

Snake's prospects - Has to fancy his chances of another last 8 appearance, although this performance wasn't convincing. And makes Tanner look even weaker, if that's possible.
Knuckles' SC2K5 prospects - will no doubt get nominated again by some people, only to get killed in the second round.

Bottom half to come...
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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

(6) Frog def. (3) Master Chief

This was more like it, possibly the best match we've had ever. Frog starts out like a train, rushing to a 60-40 lead after an hour, breaking 1000 after less than three and building a very solid, pretty much unassailable 2400 vote lead by half way. Seeing how Master Chief doesn't have carriers on his side. But wait, the kiddies have come home from school! Mass Bungie spamming = instant comeback! Everyone's cheating! MC starts eating into the lead. By 1pm it's pretty much at 2000. An hour later it's at 1400. Down to 850 by three. How long can this keep going for? By 4pm Frog's lead has been whittled down to 300. Half an hour later, MC claims the lead. Carriers have arrived. The board goes crazy, sanity collapses under a huge cheating accusation rush, but MC not so quietly keeps going and builds a 500-vote lead of his own, this time with only 6 hours to go. It keeps going past 600, and it's at about 550 with 4 hours to go. The match is over, surely. Hell no. All the X-Box fans have gone to sleep, Frog starts to make back the night vote. By nine it's at 400. By 9:40 it's at 300. Under 200 shortly after ten, by half ten MC's lead is down to double digits. At ten to eleven, they're tied. It's a sprint finish. For the next hour, a lead of more than 10 votes is a rarity and there's more lead changes than you could care to mention. Finally the match is called and Frog wins by seven. Christ.

Frog's prospects - Will lose to Snake. OR WILL HE???
MC's SC2K5 prospects - With Halo 2, he could even get better. At least 8 votes better.

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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Jonthomson... you realize that

1) Knuckles is far from fodder.
2) Tidus overperformed?
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

Sonic the Hedgehog 62% 9205
Dante 38% 5642
TOTAL VOTES 14847

This makes me happy.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

Alright, go Sonic!

So does that mean Sonic underperformed against Ryu, possibly due to SFAC, and has now gone back to his 2004 strength today, like he was with Terry?

Or did Dante perform at his old levels in Round 1, and then under-perform in his matches with the Sonic characters?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Dante - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (84/88)

I'm thinking Sonic just underperformed against Ryu.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Also, I need nominations: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16507706

Please. ^_^
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

(1) Cloud def. (8) Vyse

96.48% of people can't be wrong... reigning champion against the winner of a fodder-fodder match. Next...

Cloud's prospects - has no opposition of note until Sephiroth really.
Vyse's SC2K5 prospects - hmm. May well come back, but definitely not as an 8.

(4) Squall def. (5) Kirby

Can't say that I cared about this match really, more than half got the match correct, Kirby somehow kept the gap in four figures.

Squall's prospects - Cloud fodder. Just a case of how heavy he loses.
Kirby's SC2K5 prospects - May drop a couple of seeds, but is a solid last 32 bet. Despite being generally rubbish.

(3) Auron def. (6) Ness

Somewhat of a moral victory for Ness, avoiding the double up. Perhaps surprisingly, less people got this one right than Squall's match.

Auron's prospects - Sephiroth will be just too strong.
Ness' SC2K5 prospects - Having now won a match, may well return. I don't think Ness will return as a 6, or a top 8 seed for that matter, and is unlikely to be any stronger.

(2) Sephiroth def. (7) Vivi

Vivi ends up looking alright here, despite the threat of a big SFF-powered defeat, ends up roughly where he should have done and nearly made 30%. Match was never in doubt, and Sephiroth marches on.

Sephiroth's prospects - has no real opposition until Cloud.
Vivi's SC2K5 prospects - more likely to return than not.

(1) Sonic def. (9) Ryu

Ryu hit the 44-45% that was probably his upper end. Close early on but Sonic's power in the day vote proved too much.

Sonic's prospects - should deal with Dante, but Samus may well be a step too far again.
Ryu's SC2K5 prospects - will be back, and hopefully with a fair seeding. Ryu's last-16 calibre.

(4) Dante def. (12) Tails

Dante moves on, but Tails made over 40% and should end up looking fairly strong when the extrapolateds come out.

Dante's prospects - this was his final really. Coming out of the four-pack was the best that could be expected.
Tails' SC2K5 prospects - a third successive first round defeat would have left Tails in the category of "joke" with CATS and Gordon Freeman. But Tails won a match. Boo. Should now come back, where hopefully normal service will be resumed.

(6) Sora def. (3) Ryu Hayabusa

Seriously, I don't see why this was a surprise. RPG character + non-RPG X-Box character = Instant Sora Win. The size of the win was somewhat notable, Sora making over 60%. This busted a few brackets, but more people got this right than Zero-Tommy. Ergo, it's not surprising and I'll stop now.

Sora's prospects - see Dante comment
Ryu's SC2K5 prospects - should come back, with a more realistic seeding.

(2) Samus def. (7) Sam Fisher

Another 80%+ win for Samus, who continues to look strong and likely to win the division.

Samus' prospects - should get to Sonic easily, and really ought to win that one as well before likely bowing out to Sephiloud.
Sam's SC2K5 prospects - yes, but as a 12-13, not a seven.
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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Jonthomson... you realize that

1) Knuckles is far from fodder.
Knuckles is far from fodder. Doesn't change my *opinion* that Knuckles should be fodder, along with Yoshi, Kirby, Tails et al.
2) Tidus overperformed?
I said looked solid, not overperformed. Frankly, a strong contender to win the division should do better than a 65-35 win over a character who won their first round match with less than 51%. Particularly when said strong contender has a history of blowouts in the first two rounds of contests.
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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Knuckles is far from fodder. Doesn't change my *opinion* that Knuckles should be fodder, along with Yoshi, Kirby, Tails et al.

Your opinions are ugly and wrong!
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Dante - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (84/88)

Upper Midgar

Cloud 50.00%
Squall 23.79%
Kirby 21.41%
Duke 19.81%
Vyse 18.59%
Bomberman 16.77%
Kane 15.13%
Laharl 14.79%

Lower Midgar

Sephiroth 50.00%
Auron 32.30%
Vivi 29.75%
Donkey Kong 25.90%
Scorpion 22.71%
Ness 22.58%
Jak 20.29%
Sly Cooper 13.63%
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SC2K4 Score: 76/84
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

man, Dante's pic royally sucks. there has to be a Crappy Picture Factor costing Dante two or three points. if i hadn't followed the previous contests, there's no way i'd recognize Dante or figure what he game he is from by that pic. this is up there with Lettuce Kefka's and Solid Turd's pics.

the nice thing is that if Dante stays below 40%, KOS-MOS will be ranked ahead of Tails in the X-Stats.

here's the X-Stats from both of Midgar's Half-Divisions:

Midgar Upper

50.00% Cloud
23.79% Squall
21.41% Kirby
19.81% Duke Milk'em
18.59% Vyse
16.77% Bomberman
15.14% Kain
14.79% Laharl

Midgar Lower

50.00% Sephiroth
32.30% Auron
29.75% Vivi
25.90% Donkey Kong
22.71% Scorpion
22.58% Ness
20.29% Jak
13.63% Sly Cooper


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

0_o

how the **** did you know what i was going to post and get it up there three seconds before me, ultimatelifeform?

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Looks like SH did have an affect and with SFC it cancelled each other out. So don't expect Samus to double Sonic up, but she will get over 60% on him.
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

I just noticed we're nearing the last week of the contest.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Yep... The contest ends on the 3rd.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hm. I guess no one cares about the contest I'M going to hold huh? HUH?! It even has three prizes (two of which are good). I'll give you a hint. You can buy things with the last prize and it isn't a toaster. But I neeeed nominations!!!

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16507706

Also, think of Sonic while you are doing noms >>;
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

My thoughts on Mega Man vs. Snake...

...If Solid's fallen, then MM will have to double Snake in order for me to consider him a serious threat to Link. Over 70%, and Link's toast.

That's assuming that Link gets in the 58-60% range against Crono, though.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

The next two matches should have an indication of how this contest is going to end up.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Another easy call this was. Sonic had more trouble with Ryu as expected. And Samus has already won tomorrow.

So fellow Elites, update your sigs accordingly...peeps wont start dropping much above me til Link wastes Crono in the first of the same old same old Noble Nine inter-group matches to ride out the rest of the tourney.

BORING! 64 totally Non Noble Nine (NNN) characters is the way to go next year...
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 87/96 MK Deception: Oct 5!

Whee, great job by Sonic. Here is hoping that he gets over 65% by the end of the day.

When Snake gets over 45% on Mega Man, we will all see that the Noble Nine are all still a bit above the rest.
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SC2K4 Score: 94/96(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

Steve, prepare to get beheaded for that last idea. You're the only one here to think it doesn't suck any.

...just a thought. With all this talk of 2002 levels and such, could Dante be going back there too?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

With all of this talk about how Snake needs to get doubled tomorrow because he's dropped and what-not, I got a question for everybody...

...Solid Snake, or Tidus? Who would win in your bracket, and by how much?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I think CJayC should let the Stats and Discussion topic create next year's bracket. Seriously.

First, he has to know there is a core group of us that discusses and analyzes this contest like it were our job. We have plowed through almost 35,000 posts. Take a look at that number gentlemen (and ladies). 35,000 posts discussing this contest. Sure, some of those do not specifically address the contest, but it does not change the fact we are machines.

Second, he has to be a busy man. We, however, are not busy. We have the time to spend hours on end discussing what a 2% increase means. He should take a load off and let us create next contest's bracket.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 88/92 Rank: T-93

tnote, that'd be awesome, but I just don't see him doing it.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Oooh I am well aware it is a pipe dream... just thought I would throw it out there to get everyone else giddy about it =)
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 84/88 Rank: T-93

I think a pic factor actually exists.

Snake had a terrible pic; he did worse than expected.

Dante has a terrible pic; he's doing worse than expected.

Ryu H. had a terrible pic; he did way, way, WAY worse than expected.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=16514869

Come sign my petition! If it is going to get support, I figure this is the place to pimp it out...
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 84/88 Rank: T-93

I liked Ryu H's pic (at least his second one. He was HOT in it)(but I hated the pic of Sora...)
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Winner of Leebo's save the users tournament.

...Solid Snake, or Tidus? Who would win in your bracket, and by how much?

I'm a big fan of Tidus and all, but Snake would win. Shadow and Knuckles are not far off in strength. Snake can get around 60% on Knuckles, and Tidus can only get around 53% on Shadow. I don't think that 7% is large enough to be covered by a Tidus rise or a Snake drop. I would expect to see Tidus with 46%, though (Then again I expected Tidus to get 45% on Megaman too).
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

From: UltimaterializerX | Posted: 9/24/2004 10:47:46 PM | Message Detail
The last two days featured two Square SFF matches. Does it get more boring than that?

Yes. Nintendo SFF. And I actually found Vivi vs Sephiroth to be very interesting. I know that wasn't in the last 2 days, but it was Square SFF.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

So does that mean Sonic underperformed against Ryu, possibly due to SFAC, and has now gone back to his 2004 strength today, like he was with Terry?

That'd mean Ryu increased from last year to give Sonic that 55-45 match--assuming he's back at a higher level.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Solid Snake won't be getting 45% on Mega Man. I don't attribute what happened this round to Snake decreasing, but there's no way Mega Man will only do 2% better than last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Unless Snake overperforms against Megaman or Megaman's 65 on Tidus was a fluke, I really wouldn't be surprised to see Sonic higher on the X-Stats then Snake.

Which in turn sets up Frog vs Ryu as probably very close on the X-Stats, and another good match that would be hard to predict and cool to see.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

How much I agree with a pic factor, it just doesn't seem right with Ryu Hayabusa plastered in red in my bracket.
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Lonely Angel
Zero may have fallen, but I will be by his side.

Go Sonic... I hope he does reach 65% on Dante to make the Sonic vs. Samus a bit more interesting...

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Sephiroth

Chaos Division: Round 3 - Match 56 – (6)Sora vs. (2)Samus

Moltar’s Analysis

Sora - I didn’t plan for Sora to get this far, so I have nothing to put here…except this notice.

Round 1 – vs. HK-47 (Sora: 65.55% - HK-47: 34.45%)
Round 2 – vs. Ryu H (Sora: 61.72% - Ryu H: 38.28%)

Sora beats Ryu into the ground, pulling off a huge upset. Can anyone say, 2003 Squall?

Samus - No, she doesn’t take steriods. She’s that powerful!

Round 1 – vs. Lara (Samus: 82.39% - Lara: 17.61%)
Round 2 – vs. Sam (Sam: 19.03% – Samus: 80.97%)

Samus shows that her Round 1 performance isn’t just a fluke, and that she is back stronger than ever.

Samus is looking unstoppable right now, and Sora is just another obstacle in her path. This match should show us how strong Sora is, which I have been waiting for. I mean, if Jill didn’t fall, then Sora is above Aeris, so I am definitely keeping a close eye on this match. We might also find out more about Samus’s new power too.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Samus will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sora 34% - Samus 66%



Ulti's Analysis

The only interesting thing about this match is whether or not 2004 Sora will outscore 2003 Squall.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Samus/Samus with 63.63%


Cena’s Analysis

Kingdom Hearts has a gigantic fanbase on this site, and Sora's definitely had a good run in the contest so far. He handed both HK-47's metal ass and Ryu Hayabusa's ninja ass to them quickly and easily, without losing steam at all. He completely dominated both of them.............Too bad they were weak opponents, and too bad Sora is a sissy who weilds a key. (I like the keyblade, but anybody who carries around the same weapon as Mickey Mouse is completely awful). Sora is just fodder for Metroid's chick in a robot suit.

Cena’s Vote: Sora

Cena’s Prediction: Samus Aran with 73%
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Dante - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (84/88)

Dante is either making himself, Tails, Joe, Ratchet, Auron, Ness, Jak, and Scorpion look bad or Sonic, Ryu, KOS-MOS, and Terry look good. I can't decide which one.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Sonic, Ryu, KOS-MOS, and Terry look good.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I'm more inclined to go with that option, too, due to disbelief about Auron being nearly as strong as Tidus and stronger than Squally and Aeris.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I still maintain my belief that Aeris is the third-strongest FF character, barely ahead of Tidus and a lil' further ahead than Squall. I can see Auron bein' a lil' behind Squall and a bit ahead of Vivi.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Believe it or not Dante is actually lowering Sonic's percentage right now. I think it was at 63.07% not to long ago and it's fallen down to 62.9% at the moment.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Current numbers based on a static Sonic and using Link as the yardstick:

Dante: 25.84
Change: -2.39
Between: Master Chief and Tommy Vercetti
Tails: 22.02
Change: 1.61
Between: Ramza and Sora
Joe: 19.91
Between: Tails and Bomberman
Ratchet: 10.2
Change: -2.65
Between: Captain Olimar and Tom Nook
Auron: 30.99
SFF/Cloud: 2.19
Between: Bowser and Squall
Ness: 21.67
SFF/Bowser: 10.06%
Between: Ken and Tails
Jak: 19.47
Between: Bomberman and Vyse
Scorpion: 21.79
Change: -2.95
Between: Ken and Sora
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I forgot to note that that's based on 37% for Dante.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

SONIC losing the day vote to DANTE?!?!

There is no WTF flag big enough to express the insanity of this event.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Dante - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (84/88)

Heroic Mario, try all you want to rag on Sonic but he's STILL doing better than you wanted him to... Although if Sonic DID do how you wanted, he wouldn't have gotten past Terry Bogard... (-_-)

Anyways, I wouldn't look too hard at Sonic's percentage at this point. Remember, this is Saturday, so the voting trends might be a little different. Sonic fluctuated over and under 63% a little earlier today too. Nonetheless it's still a solid showing for him. YOU shouldn't have anything to worry about anyways...

Best case scenario for me is Sonic keeping a close match against Samus this year and Mega Man beating Snake by at LEAST 60% so that Sonic won't be ragged on as the "weak link" of the Noble Nine.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Signed tnote's petition.

The only problem I see with this is that if it ever happens, we're going to be flaming the hell out of each other to see whose bracket will pass. Unless it's a collective deal, in which case there are bound to be a hell of a lot of disagreements anyway.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

We could probably manage to come up with a bracket that's acceptable to everyone.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

He's doing better, unfortunately, but he still isn't just completely dominating the day vote. Dante has done a nice job of only allowing him to raise 1-3% from last night--about the same as Tails did.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Sonic's been doing a carnage in the moring... but this afternoon it's just not holding up.

Plus, it's going to be weird next round, seeing a Nintendo character counting on the night vote to gain an edge.

Nevertheless, I like Sonic and all, but I didn't want him to do so well today, because if he wins next Thursday I'm outta here.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Maybe it would be better to let Ceej take in a bunch of our brackets and decide which matchups would best himself so there won't be any controversy on the board. He still DOES run this site, and as long as he listens to us, it should be an unbiased bracket.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I signed but this will almost never happen. How would Ceej contact only the regulars of the topic containing the people who actually know how to make a good bracket? If he made a post in the topic, people would find out and make moronic suggestions.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Okay. In just over 13 hours, Samus should break 70% on Sora.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Plus, it's going to be weird next round, seeing a Nintendo character counting on the night vote to gain an edge.

Not like Samus is going to have to rely on any part of the day to push her to victory. Before morning hits she will have won.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

And while we're on the petitioning trend, I still demand that Ceej shows us the nomination data for this contest.

I know it's a stretch to show us EVERY nomination due to undoubted multitudes of obscure nominations being made (I nominated Stretch from NBA Street <_<), but it would be nice to see the nomination data for the characters who DID make it in and the data for let's say the top 20-25 characters that didn't get in....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Sonic doesn't stand a chance against Samus. Even if Samus' amazing first two rounds were flukes and Sonic is stronger, Samus still wins.

And we know Ceej has corrosponded with Ulti in the past. If Ceej asks Ulti to name off a list of regulars, we all get our own board or something and come up with a bracket.

It would be incredibly cool, but it would also never happen.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I would like that
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

That's true. He could easily see that Ulti always makes these topics and ask for a list. And it is POSSIBLE. But not likely...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I'd love to help make a bracket, but the most we could do is possibly suggest afew things. Everyone'll have different ideas on who should be what seeds, who they should face, whether they should face that person in the first or second round...there would be alot of chaos. Plus, it would likely need to be after nominations, so we could have something to work with, and I'd doubt CJay would give us enough time after nominations to sort out the differences we would have between ourselves THEN for him to make the final dicisions himself.

Ya never know though.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Ceej HAS done some pretty cool, unexpected things before. Like those private boards in the 810s or w/e.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

If we can agree on matches that should be good (ie, Vincent/Dante), we should be able to work it in whether it's an 3/6 or 4/5 or whatever.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

If he did do this, I think he'd be smart enough to have the nominations a bit earlier than usual.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

"Mario was essentially tied with both of them, but he received much more total votes against Cloud, due to PGC's interference."

The two were held on different days, why couldn't Mario/Cloud have been on a higher vote getting day? I just, you know, figured you probably didn't put tat into the equation.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

We don't need nominations, anyway. We know who the strong characters are, and we wouldn't include weaklings like Ryo or Crash that'll always make it in, only to get their ass kicked.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

PLEASE tell me we all agree that a Mario/Sonic match MUST be set up.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Only if Sonic goes through Magus first. ;)
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Mario/Sonic would be cool to see just because we know how it'd go...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

And Magus would have to be setup against Solid Snake/Sonic so he could very well make the Elite 8. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

The two were held on different days, why couldn't Mario/Cloud have been on a higher vote getting day? I just, you know, figured you probably didn't put tat into the equation.

True it was on a Monday and on average they had the most votes at the time, but also all of Cloud's matches were on Mondays and he gets alot of votes

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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

I'd rather see just the top 64 nominated characters get in.

No bracket-skewing, no company limit...

The PURE top 64.

and he needs to show us the top 100 nominated characters as well, let us see that.
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http://www.rpgelite.org
*smites Yoshi, Tails, and Vyse for wrecking his SC2k4 chances*

After this year I think a Mario/Sonic might be closer than we'd expect.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I'm telling you, a bracket with:

1. Mario
2. Sonic
3. Magus

would kick ass.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Sonic hasn't done anything great enough to warrant beating Mario. Crono beating him soundly had nothing to do with Mario slipping either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

And yes those three would be incredibly awesome to see. Magus in the Elite 8!!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

And Magus would have to be setup against Solid Snake/Sonic so he could very well make the Elite 8.

I think MC should get the other. With Halo 2 coming out it should really boost his popularity
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

Well I think Mario/Sonic deserves to be done more than Mario/Crono IV... And the fact that they are THE two original gaming icons makes the match cool enough. Even if it isn't a nail-biter, it would still be a bracket buster.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

once again...
I'd rather see just the top 64 nominated characters get in, and have the brackets made purely off the nominations.

No bracket-skewing, no company limit...

The TRUE top 64.

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http://www.rpgelite.org
*smites Yoshi, Tails, Vyse, and Crono for wrecking his SC2k4 chances*

If it was truly the top 64, I could see some more joke characters gettin' in.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I was thinking that but if it was true top 64 with the number one nom as the first 1 seed, number two as second 1 seed, etc... the bracket would actually most likely end up boring.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Oh and CATS would be a 3 seed.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I don't want Mario/Crono either, it's one match that just doesn't need to be done. We've seen Crono ahead of him twice now, so there isn't much need to see it again. Put Mario and Crono on two opposite sides of the bracket and let them get as far as they can...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well why wouldn't you want to see Mario vs Sonic? Surely you'd love to see Mario beat Sonic 60-40 (even though it would probably be 51-49).
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

i'd see a decrease in joke characters, actually...
o_0

I think we'd have a more balanced bracket.

who knows, cloud may actually drop to a 2 seed...

ya never know with nominations, and that's the whole reason behind that.

I stand behind my suggestion for pure nominations.


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http://www.rpgelite.org
*smites Yoshi, Tails, Vyse, and Crono for wrecking his SC2k4 chances*

Mario wouldn't have a problem having his way with a 55-45 match against Sonic. And put them in the same division, but as long as Magus rests as a #3 seed Sonic doesn't stand a chance. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Hm. Well personally, I think Sonic would have his way with Magus then kill him and throw his bloody corpse in a gutter. Only it would be closer than that. And the best I could see Mario getting on Sonic is 53%.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Pssh. Magus wouldn't have trouble locking up his elite 8 appearance.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Pfft. Sonic would hurt the mage so much, he would end up killing himself.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Oh, saw later that you did try to account for day of the week.

Well, so far this year's vote totals are pretty stable and we've seen them range between a difference of 20k, so it's not that unlikely that a hyped match falling on a better day could get 20k more votes easily.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Magus would Dark Matter the crap out of that hedgehog and leave him at the Sweet 16 with the likes of Alucard. (compliments to Alucard)

Besides, if thought Ryu could beat Sonic why not Magus? =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

V_V

Well, I sort of fooled myself into thinking Ryu would beat Sonic. About a week after the contest started I was thinking he was pretty screwed. Then when Sonic did so well against Terry I was kinda sad. I still had to hope Ryu would win though I doubted. Now that Ryu is dead, I root for Sonic since I grew up on Sonic and Mario almost exclusively until N64 came out.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Nevertheless, I like Sonic and all, but I didn't want him to do so well today, because if he wins next Thursday I'm outta here.

Hey Slowflake, do you think the other guy's even going to honor the bet if he loses? He didn't seem that trustworthy to me.

The problem with account bets is that you have nothing to gain. Who cares if Samus has a 95% chance of winning, why risk your account for nothing?
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

Magus vs. Sonic would be a tough match to call, but either way I see the winner on a 60/40 losing end of a match with Mario.
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60-40 Mario???? SHADOW got 45 on Mario....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

No bracket-skewing, no company limit...

The TRUE top 64.

I don't agree with that because we could still get big slights like Aerith and Zelda. I think the top 32 should be based on past performance and the next 32 should be pure nominations.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

It would be quite funny if Sonic couldn't even get 45% on Mario...making him look worse than Shadow.
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Sonic vs. Dante - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (84/88)

Sonic's kind of falling in percentage a little more quickly here...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

That would be pretty funny. It would make me sad since it would mean Sonic<<<Tidus but it would still be funny.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I don't agree with that because we could still get big slights like Aerith and Zelda. I think the top 32 should be based on past performance and the next 32 should be pure nominations

I thought that WAS how it would have went. I doubt people REALLY put enough nominations for Cloud and Link to warrant their #1 seeds. I figure most people would KNOW they would be in the contest. That's why I want to see the nomination data!
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

OK, I'm damn sick of being ignored. I posted a bracket I'd created in Part 69 and everyone goes on talking like I never even posted. How come when somebody else posts a bracket, they get compliments, suggestions, and such, and I get nothing? It can't be my goofy username, because there is a regular poster on this board called The Immortal Spoon. THE IMMORTAL SPOON, for chrissakes. Are my messages just not appearing on people's computers?

I'm gonna try one more time, but I won't be surprised if you guys give me the cold shoulder again.

North

1 Cloud
16 Cait Sith
8 Sora
9 CJ
6 Shadow
11 Felix
4 Zero
13 Ness
3 Ganondorf
14 Dig Dug
5 Vivi
12 Kefka
7 Knuckles
10 Ridley
2 Mega Man
15 Laharl

East
1 Sepheroth
16 CATS
8 Zelda
9 Tails
6 Yoshi
11 Viewtiful Joe
4 Aeris
13 Bomberman
3 Magus
14 Conker
5 Ryu
12 Mewtwo
7 Alucard
10 Mass Carriers
2 Solid Snake
15 Earthworm Jim

West
1 Samus
16 Tanner
8 Sub-Zero
9 DK
6 Master Chief
11 Peach
4 Bowser
13 Sam Fisher
3 Tidus
14 Pikachu
5 Squall
12 Wario
7 Kirby
10 Raiden
2 Crono
15 Duke Nukem

South
1 Link
16 Jak
8 Tifa Lockheart
9 Luigi
6 Dante
11 Ryu Hayabusa
4 Auron
13 Jill Valentine
3 Sonic
14 Pac-Man
5 Frog
12 Fox McCloud
7 Liquid Snake
10 Kazooie
2 Mario
15 Gordon Freeman
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Gooper Blooper? Who is this? I know no Gooper Blooper.
http://www.x-entertainment.com/

I notice a fairly large problem right off the bat. Why is Caith Sith in there but not Vincent?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

You just have to love how GameFAQs sets the estimates on games at June 1st. Heh, they put Dirge of Cerberus at June 1, 2005.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Kaxon: One more "CLOSE IT!" target sure can't hurt. ;)

Besides, if I somehow lose the bet, I'm not planning on chickening out, trustworthy or not. Guess the least I can be remembered for is being a man of my word (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, TAI).
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

7 Alucard
10 Mass Carriers

INSTANT DISQUALIFICATION'D

Ever wonder why you've never seen the sand on Kefka's boots? Because it's not a character. Heck, the GTA3 guy is a character and he's not even eligible.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

While I agree that it's crazy to have Tifa and Cait Sith in there over Vincent, I don't see it as impossible to get Tifa in over him. Vincent is an OPTIONAL character after all.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Can you guys do me a favor and PLEASE make nominations in my Ultimate Spring Contest.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16507706

I am sure you notice that Left Pong Paddle and L-Shaped Tetris Block are on the nom list. Don't worry, they won't be getting in.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Also, the third prize mentioned in the topic is cash.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Plus, five FF7 characters ranks right up there with L100 Charizard vs. L5 Paras for overkill.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Vincent being optional really doesn't sit well with me. Final Fantasy 7 has sat atop on the Top 50 FAQ lists for 2100+ days, won the "Best. Game. Ever." contest, and has been out for 7 years. There's no way the people of GameFAQs are lacking knowledge on who Vincent with that kind of background. In fact, the biggest thing to pay attention too is how long the game has been released. There has been plenty of time for people to have gotten word of Vincent--especially more recently with Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus.

I could have seen being optional hurting him many years ago, but right now? It shouldn't hinder him one bit. Plus, he has the best chance to increase within this coming year or so. Advent Children will go deeper into his character/background and then he'll get even more of it in Dirge of Cerberus.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I guess Sonic won't double Dante after all... Maybe he will soon but Dante will get higher later anyway.

Tomorrow's match however will be good, and as a the big Sonic fan I am i'm saying: Go Sora, get atleast 40% on Samus.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.76/84

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if someone has to kick Aeris out to allow Vincent in by all means do it. I don't want someone just making the Sweet 16 when we could have someone doing far better than that.

Vincent needs to be in everyone's 2005 bracket.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

40%? You're joking, right? Even at Sora's best and at Samus' worst it wouldn't happen. Now imagine with a Sora that might not be as high as, say, Bowser, like initially suggested, and a Samus that's been performing in ways Link and Cloud could only dream of.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1354

Sora only has to do better than Squall to get above 40%, and I hope he's better than Squall for the sake of humanity.

But that's not the reason why I will vote for Sora, I will vote for him because of the pic.

Sora: Let's unlock that girls armor and see what she hides from us.

Samus: PERVERT!!!!!!!!


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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.76/84

"Vincent is an OPTIONAL character after all."

So was HK-47, in a far, far less popular game. This is a damn FAQ site, for the love of god, people at this site are goign to know who Vincent is, especially since the FAQ that made this site into what is now was, you guessed it, FF7! If you don't know who Vincent is by now, you probably didn't play FF7.

If a robot without a real name (HK-47 is a designation, really) can get into the contest and get around 20% on the champ (which he's projected to get a bit more than 20%) when he is purely OPTIONAL in his less popular than FF7 game... then there's no reason why you should think being optional would hold Vincent back in the slightest.

Trust me, he is known on this site. Ceej ran a poll, favorite FF7 character, Vincent took second (Seph wasn't an option). Vincent is the fan favorite, and as Auron shows... fan fanvorite > heroine.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Squall vs. Sora? I can't see Sora taking this one.

And with a Samus that looks primed to take out Cloud... well, let's just say Sonic's not going anywhere, and so am I.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Vincent going farther than the Sweet Sixteen just doesn't sound right. Basically because most contest new comers have failed this year. I know he's a pretty cool character in GameFAQs's favorite game, but he's still an optional character who you don't even HAVE to have in your party. Look who's gotten in from FF 7 so far. Main hero, main villain, and the girl with possibly the world's biggest spoiler.

I just don't see AC giving him that much of a boost, when it's so Cloud centered. And with DoC coming out just a month before the contest starts(if not later) it gives little time for him to get the necessary boost. Sure the second round is nice, but I'd still pick Dante over him without a second thought.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

OK, I'm damn sick of being ignored. I posted a bracket I'd created in Part 69 and everyone goes on talking like I never even posted. How come when somebody else posts a bracket, they get compliments, suggestions, and such, and I get nothing?

Don't take it personally... not everything that gets posted gets responded to. For myself, I stopped looking at the brackets after a while because so many of them were being posted.

I like that you included Tifa in your bracket. But I see a few problems:
- Link vs. Mario in the south division finals
- Seeds arranged incorrectly (for example, you have 3 vs 5 and 4 vs 6 in round two, it should be 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5)
- Wasted potential (a lot of people who could potentially have close matches are instead scheduled for matches that won't be close)
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

I still don't see how being an optional character is going to hold him back after seven long years since the release of FF7. He is a RPG character from the most popular game at GameFAQs. Vincent has had more than enough time to get out to people in those long seven years whether it be through word of mouth or just people going through and using FAQs to find all the secrets. It seems very hard for me to believe that Vincent would be unknown to a community of people who adore FF7.


I wouldn't expect him to be championship material right from the get go, but make no mistake I do believe he would rank extremely high--certainly better than Aeris--after his starring role in the upcoming game and getting him out more through Advent Children. If there's one thing people complain about with Vincent it's that he's "lacking character", so with these two that problem should be fixed. I could see him making the Elite 8 next year, definitely.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

The only way I could see Sora ever beating Squall would be after Kingdom Hearts 2. Even then we've seen how bad Aeris could SFF Sora, so I wouldn't put it past Squall to do the same.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I think Vincent will get in the contest next year, all he needs is a little hype from this board and his new games will (Before Crisis and the other one) will likely give him a free ticket into the contest.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.80/88

I meant scratching SFF of course.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Sonic should end under 62% before all is said and done; it'd be great to see him even go under 61%...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Hey Slowflake do you want to bet your accont on that Sora will at least get 40% on Samus?

If I win then you have to close your account.

If you win the you have to close your account.

Sounds a prett good deal right?
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.80/88

"Basically because most contest new comers have failed this year."

Vivi clearly ins't a failure, and should certainly have made it a round farther. Frog barely squeeked by his competition, but his performance against Snake showed that he also deserved it. Those two have somehting in common. They are from Square. What does this tell any logical thinking person who wants to delve deeper into the hows and whys? It tells them that Square has a very, very large number of characters to fall back on that can perform very well. So much, in fact, that you couldn't have all of them in the contest without overrunning the entire thing. You can only have so many, and when there is a cap on how many representatives a company can have (especially a company so strong) some very worthy competitors will get cut.

Now, then, what do those two characters have to favor them over Vincent? FF7 has a much more diverse supporting cast, and nominations will be split among that cast. After Crono and Magus, Frog had no competition. The remaining four characters in CT have no spot in this contest. Sure, they'd do reasonably well, but they'd fall behind Frog by a good deal. Besides Zidane, Vivi has nobody taking away his nominations among the FF9 cast. No one other than Zidane has any chance of making this contest, in terms of FF9, and only one character other than Zidane and Vivi should have a chance... Beatrix :)

So, as we can tell, no one takes away from the two I mentioned. But Vincent? He has to contend with everybody except Cait Sith. That cat is never gettin' in, but there are a lot of people who want everybody else. Cid has his fans, Red XIII has his fans, Barret even has his fans, Tifa has her fans, Yuffie has her fans and Aeris has her fans. If Aeris can be a top 16 competitor in the most competitive summer bracket we've ever seen and she couldn't make it this year, what exactly stops Vincent from being as strong or stronger?

Nominations do not equate to strength, and so charatcers who haven't appear yet can't simply be written off, especially when they come from Square. Square has the largest number of near-elite quality competitors just waiting to get in. Just because a cap and a diverse set of co-stars kept Vincent out doesn't mean he isn't strong enough to make the elite 8.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if someone has to kick Aeris out to allow Vincent in by all means do it. I don't want someone just making the Sweet 16 when we could have someone doing far better than that.

No way you can keep Aerith out. She's already been robbed once. If for some reason you need to kick someone out to put in Vincent, it should be the weakest Square character. That's Kefka.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

SFF-wise I don't think Sora would beat any Final Fantasy character appearing in his games. No SFF though.... let me see what Sora gets on Samus before I pass judgement.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Nah, I don't really want to risk my account being exactly 60-40.

This ranks around tetraplegics' moguls in terms of difficulty.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

No way you can keep Aerith out. She's already been robbed once. If for some reason you need to kick someone out to put in Vincent, it should be the weakest Square character. That's Kefka.

Yes, there is a rway you can keep Aeris out. I like her too, and she's a solid contestant, but if it starts to get iffy with four characters from Final Fantasy 7 in the contest then by all means allow Vincent to have his chance over her. I'm all in for having both of them be in the contest, and kicking someone like Kefka out.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Actually, if you read the post carefully it was basically, "If you accept this bet, you close your account."
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Aeris/Zero and Vincent/Dante, yo!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Sonic should end under 62% before all is said and done; it'd be great to see him even go under 61%...

Oh dear god will you shut up! You know there should be some sort of recording to take your place that randomly blurts out phrases such as "Character X will show Sonic to be weak". "Megaman will beat link", "Megaman is still looking good" and of course" *insert Sonic opponent* is my favourite character!"

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^ Smurf The cream of Sonic Fanboyism
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

Actually Smurf it looks like Sonic will end between 63%-62%
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

Actually Smurf it looks like Sonic will end between 63%-62%

The night vote should push Dante to at least knock it under 62%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Oh dear god will you shut up!

Hey, I'll tell you straight up that Sonic absolutely sucks all day long. If I don't like a character I could express my disliking of him/her all the time, especially if it's up against a character I like. (Terry, Ryu, and Dante)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

And I've never said a certain character would show that Sonic is weak. If he's weak, he's weak; if he's strong, he's strong. The only reason I talk bad about him is because I don't care for him and he goes up against characters I like.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Hey, I'll tell you straight up that Sonic absolutely sucks all day long. If I don't like a character I could express my disliking of him/her all the time, especially if it's up against a character I like. (Terry, Ryu, and Dante)

We're well aware that you could. I think his point is that after a while it gets annoying.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

"We're well aware that you could. I think his point is that after a while it gets annoying."

Given that he's never once produced a single thing worth acknowledging, I'd have to say his opinion on this or any other matter is unnecessary.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

He being Smurf, of course.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"how the **** did you know what i was going to post and get it up there three seconds before me, ultimatelifeform?"

I honestly had no idea you were going to post 0_o
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SC2K4 Score: 80/88
Today's Pick: Sonic

I think his point is that after a while it gets annoying.

He sort of needs to learn to accept criticism of his favorite character then or just ignore my posts when talking about Sonic. In fact, I've been very low key on my "Sonic hating" as of late. That post earlier was just commenting on Sonic's match in general, not his character.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Don't misunderstand HM, I have nothing aganist you but I just find your attitude during this contest a stark contrast to the Heroic Mario of old who was usually a source of wise information

This fanboy act doesn't suit you ~_~.

And Muyo I do comend you for your persistant attempts to attack me without being provoked. Intresting how you can make enemies without ever talking to someone directly before eh?

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^ Smurf The cream of Sonic Fanboyism
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

HM I know you don't like Sonic and thats fine but wishing for him to do bad at every chance just to cause pain among his fanboys is out of order.

I hate Megaman but I keep the propaganda to myself

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^ Smurf The cream of Sonic Fanboyism
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

HM, Chichiri, and Smurf. This can't end well.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I don't talk bad about Sonic to annoy people, I do it because I just don't like him, but again the comment earlier had nothing to do with my personal opinion on him.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

"And Muyo I do comend you for your persistant attempts to attack me without being provoked."

I consider your obscene pervesion of statistical data and consitently bad reasoning based the aforementioned incorrect statistical data enough provocation considering that you will, at random intervals, parade those incorrect statistics around and use them to declare something as truth when there is no evidence backing it whatsoever. I have a hard time outrigth beliving stats as it is, for someone to not only believe them so adamantly but to believe ones that were incorrectly formulated is simply humorous to me.

And the statement still stands, you yourself have never brought anything of interest to this topic, so on what grounds do you have any right to comment about a user who has?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Besides, without Shake in here somebody has to keep you in line.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I still don't see how being an optional character is going to hold him back after seven long years since the release of FF7.

It may not hold him back significantly, but it can't exactly help him? I don't think its true to say that everyone who has played ffvii by now will know who Vincent is, but at the same time, anyone who comes to gfaqs now probably would know who he was. But, he is a side character, and it can only do nothing for him, or hurt.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Sonic's path to the Elite 8 was pretty painful to watch, eh HM? lol
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SC2K4 Score: 80/88
Today's Pick: Sonic

I would hate to know that seven years after release, winning the best game ever contest, and being on the top 50 FAQ list for 2100+ days, hearing it from people, or scanning it from the internet, that voters would still lack knowledge of Vincent. Now that FF7 is having a recent surge of titles they get to see Vincent not only as the star of a new game, but in a movie.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

CATS WISHES NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN FLAME WAR OF GREAT FLAMES. CATS IS OF GREAT ANGER THAT CATS WAS CHEATED OUT OF CATS' RIGHTFUL PLACE IN FINALS AGAINST THAT CHEATER KNOW OF AS CLOUD.
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WHAT HAPPEN ?
SOMEBODY SET ME UP THE LINK.

I don't think Vincent would outperform Aeris, but not because he's an optional character. Most everybody that's coming here knows about Vincent.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

yeah, but still, perhaps not all the voters here, I mean just because its been out for seven years doesn't mean they have played it every day for seven years, trying to learn new things about it. I think he could be just a little bit stronger had he not been optional.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

That's why FF7 has been a top 50 FAQ contender for years and years. The fact that the game sold 9.3 million copies only helps in people knowing who he is, I mean you can find him just out of curiousity. It's not like you have to search in a forest...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

A movie only FF7 fanboys will watch. Sorry HM, had to throw that in there.

But the prospect of his own game alone should get Vincent in this contest.

But look at the characters who are in the Elite 9 and how many other characters that are from their game are in this contest:

Link: 2
Cloud/Sephiroth: 7
Megaman: 3
Samus: 1
Crono: 3
Mario: 4
Snake: 2
Sonic: 4

Zelda and Ridley really need to be in this contest next year.

Glad to see I've started a huge argument over Vincent.

I notice a fairly large problem right off the bat. Why is Caith Sith in there but not Vincent?

1. Cait Sith strikes me as the perfect fodder. Besides, Cait isn't going to do anything to Cloud, so his inclusion is negligable.
2. I don't know Vincent. I only know Cait Sith because people mention him.

7 Alucard
10 Mass Carriers

INSTANT DISQUALIFICATION'D

I was having fun. If you want to treat it like an "offical" bracket, put Ken Masters there.

Plus, five FF7 characters ranks right up there with L100 Charizard vs. L5 Paras for overkill.

Do you have any better ideas? One of them is is complete fodder, two are Noble Nine characters, one is Sweet 16 material, and Tifa is a potential bracket-buster. If you want, go ahead and replace Cait Sith with, say, Thief from FF1.

Link vs. Mario in the south division finals

Don't be too hasty. Yes, Link has an easy road to the Final Four, but my seeds are based loosely on power, so no matter which 2 seed Link fought, he'd win easily (with the exception of Mega Man). Besides, look at who else is in Mario's half of the division. Mario's gotten weaker, and Sonic, Frog, and even Liquid Snake have upset potential if Mario keeps dropping.

Seeds arranged incorrectly (for example, you have 3 vs 5 and 4 vs 6 in round two, it should be 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5)

I made this on paper. I didn't know the exact pattern, so I winged it from what I could remember.

Wasted potential (a lot of people who could potentially have close matches are instead scheduled for matches that won't be close)

The seed is based loosely on power. There are other brackets that screw around with the seeds, and I wanted to make something different.
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There's an old saying in Texas... fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. - Dubya

I just think if any new FF7 character should get into the contest it should be Vincent.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Also, are both Fire Emblem games suppose to come out before the next contest... I think at least the Gamecube one might warrant a character if it comes out before.

Alrighty then, I'll make it offical.

Mass Carriers is out. VINCENT is in!
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There's an old saying in Texas... fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. - Dubya

Or how about this.

Take out Tifa, put in Vincent.

Take out Mass Carriers, put in Kerrigan

Terra/Kerrigan, anyone?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Gooper Blooper, are you and King Calamari the same person?

I like having Tifa in the contest. I guess I'm the only one...
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

I didn't take Tifa out because Slowflake jumped on me for having Mass Carriers in.

I'll take out Tifa if you can think of someone who would do better. I'd like to keep that match with Luigi a toss-up match, though.
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There's an old saying in Texas... fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. - Dubya

Also, are both Fire Emblem games suppose to come out before the next contest... I think at least the Gamecube one might warrant a character if it comes out before.

I would love to see a Fire Emblem character in the contest. But I did get to see it in the spring contest, so I won't be that upset if no characters from FE make it next year.

And about Vincent, I don't get why people like him so much anyway. He may be somewhat badass but he's not great, nor is he in any way relavant to the story up to the point I'm at (which is pretty close to the end). I'd much rather see Red XIII, Aeris, Yuffie or Tifa. But if it comes down to it, I'd nominate Vincent if I knew he had the best chance to make it in of the FFVII supporting cast. I do want to nominate a FFVII character (I almost nominated Aeris this year, but at the last minute my friend convinced me not to) and if Vincent is the ticket, I'd take it.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Terra/Kerrigan, anyone?

I'd like to see either Locke or Terra, and I'd like to see Kerrigan as well.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Yuffie is absolutely horrendous. She shouldn't come close to this contest. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Who would likely do better, Terra or Celes?
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

I kinda like Yuffie. She's interesting to me, and her role in KH would help her to do well.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Who would likely do better, Terra or Celes?

Terra, but Locke would probably do better then either.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I hated Yuffie, there wasn't one thing about her I like. Her contest strength also wouldn't be close to characters like Vincent, Tifa, or Red XIII.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Yuffie is kinda the Selphie/Rikku/Eiko of her game. If you like them, you'll like her. Of course, most people tend not to like those 4 characters, but oh well.

And Yuffie would probably beat Tifa, Red XIII and Vincent because of KH.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

...tell me you were kidding on Yuffie beating all three of those. She wouldn't come close to beating either one of them.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

It sounds stupid, yes, but she does have KH. They don't.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I don't care if she does have KH. You notice it doesn't affect every single character that appeared in that game by insane amounts. Aeris didn't get nearly as much from it as Cloud, Sephiroth, or Squall. Yuffie should get even less from it.

There is no way at all Yuffie would beat any of the previously mentioned characters, especially Vincent.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Vincent is so . . . bland. Yuffie is vibrant.

But if I could have my choice, it would be Tifa. She has so much depth. Her or Reno. Reno kicks all kinds of ass.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Yuffie should've stayed put in the forest... <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

You didn't have to recruit her. She could have.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

And that's exactly why I don't whenever I play FF7. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

lol. You hate her that much?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

http://www.mahopa.de/bilder/lustige-forenbilder/room.jpg

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I am Lucid Faia.

My analysis for Samus/Sora tomorrow:

Anything above 56% and she's overperforming.
Anything above 60% and she has a chance.
Anything above 64% and she has a good chance.
Anything above 68% and she's a threat.
Anything above 72% and she's a huge threat.
Anything above 75% and Cloud might as well start packing.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I'm expecting her to get in between 64-68%, but I'm hoping she can get over 70%.
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Cloud vs. Duke - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Dante - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (84/88)

And Yuffie would probably beat Tifa, Red XIII and Vincent because of KH.

You're nuts. I like Yuffie, and I think Vincent is overhyped, but there's no way Yuffie'd beat Tifa or Vincent. Maybe she'd beat Red XIII, but I kind of doubt it.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

She needs 70% to keep her chances alive against Cloud, no less. And should she fail to break 60%, I'll have to keep that "Close My Account" link ready.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

And Yuffie would probably beat Tifa, Red XIII and Vincent because of KH.

Chalk up a victory for Selphie against those three too then. And Wakka.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Anything above 56% and she's overperforming.
Anything above 60% and she has a chance.
Anything above 64% and she has a good chance.
Anything above 68% and she's a threat.
Anything above 72% and she's a huge threat.
Anything above 75% and Cloud might as well start packing.

My thinking is somewhat similar to yours.

Below 68% and she pretty much ISN'T going to win without a nice slice of luck.
68-72% and she is legitimate trouble for Cloud and has about 50% chance to beat him
72%-75% and Cloud just became the underdog by a large margin.
75%+ and Samus may as well claim this tournament as hers.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Chalk up a victory for Selphie against those three too then. And Wakka.

Yuffie actually did things in KH. She was fun to fight. Wakka and Selphie didn't.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

She needs 70% to keep her chances alive against Cloud, no less. And should she fail to break 60%, I'll have to keep that "Close My Account" link ready.

What bet did you make?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Yuffie would do well in the contest BECAUSE of Kingdom Hearts but that doesn't bring her out of the FFVII hole that she dug when going up against others from FFVII.

She'd pull more of a KHF than Aeris for sure though. If Squall could do it, she can too. She's in the game just as much as Squall. Fighting her in the Colosseum was pretty cool too, although she was annoying. Nice to be able to wail on her repeatedly though. :)
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Bet my account on Samus beating Sonic.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

You won't have to worry about that. There's no way in hell Samus gets under 60% tomorrow, and Sonic's dropping. He'll end up with 61.XX when all is said and done.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Do you have any alts?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Bet my account on Samus beating Sonic.

Oh. -.-

You had me thinking you made a bet that you actually might lose.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Nope. And if I lose that bet, I won't even bother making one. What's the point of an account bet then, if I can just come back at will?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

I never got the point of making an account bet in the first place anyway.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Kicking n00bs out of this place, duh. That's social Darwinism for ya.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Too bad it doesn't work at all. You seriously think a n00b will ever leave for an account bet? The only people will are the well-respected vets, which makes it lose-lose.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

And slow, it is your duty in life to nominate 8 characters for my Ultimate Spring Contest!
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Still, seeing other users go "CLOSE IT!" at them like Klaptraps on Donkey Kong's buttocks is funny as hell.

Meh, you can just call that bet "thrill of the hunt". I wanted to know what it feels like, risking throwing your 500-karma account away.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

lol.

And thanks for doing nominating ^_^
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

If CJay actually let us make the brackets then I can die happy. Of course that will never happen...

And in other news, two of my faves are set up for the Chaos Final, where the lesser of the two will be set up the bomb. Go Samus!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I think if the users were to make a bracket, one way to do it would be to have everyone vote who they would select as their four #1 seeds, have the top 4 take them, then repeat with #2, #3 etc. Then it's just a case of arguing which division to put which of them in. It may not come up with the best matches, but it would certainly produce a fair bracket.

Could always just do it anyway and see what the board makes up - tell me what you think and I'll run with it.

BTW, has anyone got CJayC's "and no, Mass Carriers isn't a character" post/topic archived anywhere?
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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

So now that Crono has claimed a comfortable victory, will CJay make a Mario/Crono IV or finally spare us of this repeat while choking us with other repeats like Knux/Snake and Snake/Megaman?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I think if the users were to make a bracket, one way to do it would be to have everyone vote who they would select as their four #1 seeds, have the top 4 take them, then repeat with #2, #3 etc. Then it's just a case of arguing which division to put which of them in. It may not come up with the best matches, but it would certainly produce a fair bracket.

Could always just do it anyway and see what the board makes up - tell me what you think and I'll run with it.

I'm swirldude and I approve this idea.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I think the better idea is to vote on better matchups first, and then worry about seeds later. That's what I did when I made my bracket, and sure, some characters are over/under seeded, but it's much more interesting.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I think the better idea is to vote on better matchups first, and then worry about seeds later.

This idea also happens to kick ass. Let's combine them and make...

THE ULTIMATE IDEA!!!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Question I asked in another topic, but I figure it would get answered quicker here. How exactly was Link determined to remain the same in strength from 2k2 to 2k3? He had 2 SFF matches and 2 matches against new characters. What was Link's strength based upon?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

That new Advent Children trailer was just so good. Thank you, Square.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Link to trailer. NOW.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Link's strength based on the extrapolateds was very similar between 2K2 and 2K3, so he was assumed to stay the same. However with Wind Waker coming out between contests and possible Link/Mario SFF, Link could've been weaker in 2K2 than 2K3, but we wouldn't know cause Wind Waker cancelled that out.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I think if the users were to make a bracket, one way to do it would be to have everyone vote who they would select as their four #1 seeds, have the top 4 take them, then repeat with #2, #3 etc. Then it's just a case of arguing which division to put which of them in. It may not come up with the best matches, but it would certainly produce a fair bracket.

Bleh. That will turn out a pretty boring bracket.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Well, you can combine the two in a way. If you know that you want a Mario-Sonic-Magus combination or something like that, you can let Mario have the 2, Sonic the 3 and then make a general suggestion to hold off on Magus until the 6. But yeah, I don't really know what matches people would *really* want to see, but I'm guessing a lot would be matches between the lower end of the noble 9 and the top end of the rest (just try to sort a 2-3 matchup), or matches between those just outside (go for a 4-5 in that case).
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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Well, the 4/5 and the 3/6's are generally the best 2nd round matchups. So vote on 8 really good matches and then work out the seeding later. Some 3's might be reserved for taking on the 2's, however, like Magus/Ganondorf/Zero taking on Sonic/Snake.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Seems that tomorrow is going to be a pretty pivotal day in the contest.

C'mon, Samus...you can do it...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

About Link's strength remaining constant...

http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

creative's explanation of the extrapolated standings...scroll down to the bottom to see how Link remained constant...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16485175

Anyone who wants to see just how kick ass Advent Children will be:

http://www.towardstars.net/hosting/ryu/upload/ff7advent.zip
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

1.6 Megs per second, yo!

You found a good download site this time, HM.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I think Sonic has indeed gone up this year. Dante performed as expected against SFF-adjusted Tails, so unless he made up the difference between the drop to 2002 levels, the Blue Blur looks to have increased. Knuckles might have been the cause of Snake's underperformance as well.

Oh, and I just beat the Twin Snakes today. That pretty much locked up my vote for Solid Snake against Mega Man.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Also, it renews my confidence that Sonic would beat Magus head-to-head.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Sonic over Magus? I would be supremely confident in Magus taking that one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I didn't even have to ask you that. I have absolutely no doubt the Blue Blur would take it myself.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

That was pretty damn impressive.

And I say Magus over Sonic and Snake, same as I always do. Except Snake was a maybe before now, and now he's a definite.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I of course say Sonic would beat Magus. Although I am VERY surprised that HM would choose Magus over SONIC!
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I don't see why one would be confident in Sonic.

Also, come Summer 2005 I know who I'll be having as my winner... heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Also, come Summer 2005 I know who I'll be having as my winner... heh.

Obsessed, much? =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I don't choose people over Sonic who I know aren't going to win or don't stand a chance. There's a difference between disliking a character and then what you choose in your bracket.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Zelda XI Link beats AC Cloud, provided Zelda XI releases on time.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Obsessed, much? =)

You know it! One year of keeping up with it and it's almost ready for release in Japan. ^_^

Cloud for Summer 2005 champion!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I'd be confident in Sonic and it's getting kind of ridiculous how this keeps coming up. We already know you guys think Sonic would beat Magus. Until we actually SEE that match, can this just be dropped?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You know it! One year of keeping up with it and it's almost ready for release in Japan. ^_^

Cloud for Summer 2005 champion!

Kind of depends on how well it gets out to the non-FF7 fan and whether the new Zelda manages to come out before the contest starts...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm still not confident in the new Zelda making it out before the next contest. The only idea we have of a release date is from GameFAQs and they put DoC at the same date.

I really see that being pushed back to at least the holiday season.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I don't see why one would be confident in Sonic.

Plenty more reason to be confident in Sonic as opposed to Magus.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Just watched the Advent Children trailer, and all I've got to say is this:

Give me this movie. NOW.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

If Sonic went up, Magus must also go up by next year to outrank Sonic. And I don't see that happening because he has no games in his future and the "OMG CT MADE THE FINALS OF SPRING CONTEST SO I WILL PLAY IT!" factor will die off.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I would still take Sonic over Magus, Snake over Magus as well. and until ac comes out, my opinion still remains that its not going to do anything significant for Cloud, or any of the FF crew.


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Sonic's performance against Dante puts him just below Samus's 2003 levels. Unless you would've considered taking Magus over Samus before this contest started, I don't see why you'd feel the same about Sonic. Also, with Snake Eater coming out, I wouldn't dare take Magus over Solid Snake next year either.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I just played through nearly all of MM2 today (started and got to Wily stage 1). That locked up my vote for Mega Man against all the rest of the contest participants.
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If ignorance is bliss, then a lot of people are happy. That would also explain why I'm mad all the time.

It doesn't need to help significantly in order for Cloud to win.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

HM, got another link? The bandwidth is gone on that one.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

If you IM me on AIM I'll send it to you if you have a fast connection.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Also, I've been doing a little math. We just assumed Master Chief's 70% on Crash was the Bandicoot reverting back to 2002 levels, but I think it was a legit MC increase. Going against a static Crash, Chief falls right below Zelda.

Assuming Frog had maintained the 53% or so on Master Chief before the bungie.net link, he would've been expected to get about 45% on Snake. Obviously, something's still off, but it puts things into better perspective.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Could someone upload the AC trailer on downloadhosting.com? I don't recall LUE ever killing it, so it must be a good hosting site.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Wait, people were trying to make MC's great performance on Crash look like a Crash drop? I always thought it was pure MC increase.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

And I don't see that happening because he has no games in his future

That's why Square needs to get in gear with a CT remake on the Nintendo DS/Sony PSP, or major console, in the very near future.

I'd also rather hold off on Sonic increasing until the end of the contest. Either way, I would still take him over that value of Samus'. It's a mere 53-47 match with that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Whereas the board doesn't respect Tidus, this topic doesn't respect Master Chief. I am one of the few who believes Master Chief is strong.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

I have Master Chief/Ryu in my bracket, and I think that would be pretty damn close.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Well, the 4/5 and the 3/6's are generally the best 2nd round matchups. So vote on 8 really good matches and then work out the seeding later. Some 3's might be reserved for taking on the 2's, however, like Magus/Ganondorf/Zero taking on Sonic/Snake.

OK then, let's try this. I'll throw up twenty characters that you could argue warrant being a 3-6 seed (we'll only need 15 of these in reality, as 1-6 seeds = 24 characters, and nine will be taken by the top 9), and think of good round 2 matches between them. Then work from there, so in no particular order (and if I make a glaring omission, write in someone):

Magus, Ganondorf, Tidus, Zero, Aeris, Squall, Ryu (SF), Shadow, Yoshi, Dante, Master Chief, Frog, Knuckles, Auron, Kirby, Sora, Bowser, Zelda, Alucard, Vivi

Fire away.
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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

What do you guys think about Serge? I'm trying to find a good match for him.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Whoa! You snuck Serge in there? I like your bracket more and more all the time, RPGuy. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

jon: Vincent. I think he'd easily beat Alucard, Dante, Yoshi, and Kirby.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Right now, he's in a 7/10 split with DK, taking on Sonic in the 2nd round. He's the 7 right now, but I might switch that up.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I'm giving Zero a shot a Snake, provided he can get past Aeris, too. I'm sure you'll like that. ;)
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Zero over Snake would be oh so nice...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Why are you guys making brackets...? -_-

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I am Lucid Faia.

Because we have too much time on our hands.
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Jon Thomson - today: Sonic, tomorrow: Samus - 80/88
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Looks like Square-Enix forced Adventchildren.net to remove the trailer due to piracy concerns. Everyone who saw it/downloaded be thankful...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Seeing as the Zero series is pretty big now, and MMX8 (although I don't know if Zero is in that), I wouldn't be surprised to see Zero go far next year.
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If ignorance is bliss, then a lot of people are happy. That would also explain why I'm mad all the time.

I would rank your listed characters like this

Auron
Magus
Ganondorf
Tidus
Shadow
Aeris
Ryu (SF)
Zero
Squall
Frog
Master Chief
Sora
Bowser
Dante
Zelda
Alucard
Knuckles
Kirby
Yoshi
Vivi

No disrespect to Vivi.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

MMX8 (although I don't know if Zero is in that),

That game looks awesome, and yes he's in it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Auron
Magus
Ganondorf

Auron that high?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I'd also rather hold off on Sonic increasing until the end of the contest.

Why? Dante has shown no signs of decreasing. Besides, I thought you were pumped about 3 consecutive years of increase with DMC3. What happened?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

My 4/5 and 3/6's:

Master Chief/Ryu
Zero/Aeris
Shadow/Auron
Vincent/Dante
Ganondorf/Frog
Crono/(Alucard/L. Snake)
Tidus/Squall
Magus/Vivi
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

No disrespect to Vivi.

No respect for his performance ability though. So you think that ALL of these characters fall between that 3% differential between Auron and Vivi?
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Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Auron
Magus
Ganondorf

Auron that high?

I think Auron Magus and Ganondorf will be entwined in a close three pack. It's hard to say who wins, but it would probably be either Magus or Auron, and I see Auron winning it. Could be either on top though, so give em the same seed.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Scratch those last two, they've been changed to Magus/Tidus and Squall/Vivi.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

No respect for his performance ability though. So you think that ALL of these characters fall between that 3% differential between Auron and Vivi?

The guy asks for my opinion and you try to make me look stupid with stats? You suck. Just for this, I'll say Squall deserved his beating.

I'm not the best at stats ok?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

A personal attack because I questioned where you placed Vivi? I meant no offense to you by that.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Oh ok sorry.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros

Samus is supposed to need a 68%+ to look good, correct? Where does that come from? Does it assume that Jill did not drop at all? Or is that figure just Sora at his maximum possible strength?


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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Aeris
Ryu (SF)
Zero


Zero that low? You DO realize that he did better against Sonic than Ryu and Aeris right?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I think that 68% is assuming that Sora's performance was completely his strength and no Jill drop.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

68% is if Jill didn't drop at all. 72% is if Jill dropped twice as much as she did between 2k2 and 2k3 (roughly 3.8%, I think).

Those are the values I used to get a ceiling (roughly Zero) and floor (roughly Dante) for Sora.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Wow. My estimations were accurate then. I used no math at all because I don't actually know how to work the stats.
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You don't need to know how to work that stats to use my program, convienently locate here:
http://www.sc2k4.com/excel/XS.zip
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

...can we agree on 70%? Random fluctuations and that kind of stuff, you know.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Slow, we can't agree. If we agree we stop arguing, and then this topic loses all its fun.

Seriously though, 70% sounds right.
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If ignorance is bliss, then a lot of people are happy. That would also explain why I'm mad all the time.

70% sounds about right.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I know 70% is probably right, but is it just me, or does it feel wrong? I guess I had in too ingrained in my head that Sora is weak and then the 66% that Aeris got (SFF, I know) makes it more difficult to just accept, you know?

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'll agree to 70%.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I think it may be part SFF that's making Sora look that much stronger, but it can't be the whole thing. Do you honestly see HK-47 that close to Ryu/Jill? I think something happened, like KH setting in, made Sora make a huge jump.
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If ignorance is bliss, then a lot of people are happy. That would also explain why I'm mad all the time.

I'm perfectly aware of that too, Mumei. I can hardly swallow Sora being this strong either, or Auron being really close to Tidus either for that matter.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

KOTOR was very strong in the Spring, so I can see HK being a step above fodder.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

The issue's not whether there was SFF or not, it's whether JILL moved or not, essentially.
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I'm perfectly aware of that too, Mumei. I can hardly swallow Sora being this strong either, or Auron being really close to Tidus either for that matter.

Sora would need to be above Aeris to get what he did against Ryu, assuming Ryu is about equal to Jill, right?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sora would need to be above Aeris to get what he did against Ryu, assuming Ryu is about equal to Jill, right?

Yes. Sora fell short of Zero's expected % on Hayabusa by .06%, if I remember correctly.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Sora and Zero would be approximately equal? O_O
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Now do that math on 2002 Jill for kicks. ;)
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Heh. I can't get to sc2k4.com or I would.

I'll estimate, anyway. I think Jill fell ~= 1.8%, so Sora gets 35.5% on Link and outranks Magus, falling just short of Snake.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Sora, ahead of Magus? @_@
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah, that's why I allowed for Jill falling another 3.8% in my range, to put Sora~=Dante.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Just got home from my cousin's wedding. It was decent, but the company I went with decided to act like a little *****, and is now out at some bar doing God knows what with God knows who.

I am beyond sick of getting the short end of everything.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I can see Sora = Dante. Sorz = Zero just doesn't click with me.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
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Just got home from my cousin's wedding. It was decent, but the company I went with decided to act like a little *****, and is now out at some bar doing God knows what with God knows who.

I hate weddings.. So boring. Someone posted your away message in a topic - that bad? >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, if Sora ~= Dante, Ramza > Jill/Hayabusa ~= Ken.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

That sounds reasonable. Jill obviously dropped, and if I'm not mistaken, it's similar to the drop Ken had between 2002-2003.
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

Which topic was that posted in, Mumei?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

A topic where WG64Z challenged you to a game of Starcraft IIRC.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

That topic was.... a very long time ago.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Nope, today.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 080/088 - Matches: 50/54 - Rank: 00687/33221 - Today: Sonic - Tomorrow: Samus

Ramza > Jill/Hayabusa

Well, Ramza was part of the Alucard/Kirby/Bomberman 4 pack last year. That means he's probably a bit stronger than we thought. Well, it's irrelevant right now. It just makes me feel better that one of my favorite characters is stronger than originally thought.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

What would people think of a 128 character contest? It seems like there would be enough characters out there to make it work. (And you could dump all the silly company limit rules).

You'd have to probably have to have two matches a day until the final four though.

Link, plz?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

What would people think of a 128 character contest?

Blah Blah already discussed blah blah wouldn't work blah blah too long blah too much fodder.
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Sephiroth vs. Sly - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sonic vs. Dante - Bracket: Sonic - Vote: Sonic (84/88)

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16522400

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Ulti, the topic I'm referring to was made a little less than three hours ago:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16522400
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I see. Thanks, guys.

I don't care about that away message, but the one I posted when I got home (which isn't up now) isn't something I want repeated.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

All these people talking about next year, yet we don't even know if there'll be a "next year".

Ceej will probably look at the lower vote totals, less contest entries, the multitude of boring, predictable matches, the massive amounts of idiots complaining about FFVII always winning, and decide that the character battle has run its course.

If Cloud or Link wins the contest, that only increases the risk of there not being a 2005 character battle.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

It probably depends on whether the total hits to the site increase during the contest, a statistic that we do not have access to.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

We have access to that stat. It's called www.alexa.com.

Reach rank:

Today 1 wk. Avg. 3 mos. Avg. 3 mos. Change
841 775 1,138 up 112

And during the contest, the site's popularity increases. Surprise surprise.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I wish Ceej would move the poll to where the Top 10 FAQ Pages are...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Doesn't www.alexa.com just base its statistics on Alexa Toolbar users?

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

That's what I've heard as well.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

With the topic being slow and all, I post the third iteration of my bracket if anybody wants to see it. If not, I'll wait til the offseason.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I'll take 5 minutes of silence as "Yes, we're incredibly bored, give us something to do," not "no one cares about your damn bracket" because I'm an optimist.

North Division

(1) Link
(16) Ryu (Breath of Fire)
(8) Kefka
(9) Raiden

(4) Master Chief
(13) Nightmare
(5) Ryu
(12) Jak

(3) Zero
(14) Aya Brea
(6) Aeris
(11) Luigi

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda
(15) Lloyd Irving
(2) Snake

South Division

(1) Sephiroth
(16) CATS
(8) Kirby
(9) Tails

(4) Shadow
(13) Strider
(5) Auron
(12) Sigma

(3) Vincent
(14) MewTwo
(6) Dante
(11) Geno

(7) Yoshi
(10) Knuckles
(15) Toad
(2) Mega Man

East Division

(1) Cloud
(16) Eliwood (Fire Emblem)
(8) Sora
(9) Leon Kennedy

(4) Ganondorf
(13) Ghaleon
(5) Frog
(12) Morrigan

(3) Crono
(14) Dr. Wily
(6) Alucard
(11) Liquid Snake

(7) Viewtiful Joe
(10) Ness
(15) Chun-Li
(2) Samus

West Division

(1) Mario
(16) Gordon Freeman
(8) Terra
(9) Kerrigan

(4) Squall
(13) Fox McCloud
(5) Vivi
(12) Sub Zero

(3) Magus
(14) Ryu Hayabusa
(6) Tidus
(11) Ken Masters

(7) Serge
(10) Donkey Kong
(15) Princess Peach
(2) Sonic

Anybody wanna bite?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

(8) Kefka
(9) Raiden

Interesting matchup indeed.

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda

Both of them are underseeded. They're both too strong to meet before the second round.

(4) Shadow
(13) Strider
(5) Auron
(12) Sigma

Auron-Shadow second round matchup is intriguing.

(3) Vincent
(14) MewTwo

Eh, I don't think a newbie should be given such a high seed, regardless of how much potential he has.

(3) Magus
(14) Ryu Hayabusa
(6) Tidus
(11) Ken Masters

Eh, I don't see the point of a Magus-Tidus 2nd round match. It'd be close, but we've already seen who's stronger indirectly through Ganondorf.

(7) Serge
(10) Donkey Kong
(15) Princess Peach
(2) Sonic

I'd switch DK's and Serge's seeds. The big ape isn't THAT weak. Serge may not be either, but he's unproven. Also, I think Peach is much better than just 15 seed fodder.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

I forgot about Magus and Tidus having a common opponent. I've purposely overseeded Vincent to set up a tough match with Dante. And I need somebody to carry on the Curse of the Three Seed. I'm making up for Bowser and Zelda meeting up way too early by giving them a shot against Snake. Plus, I'm intrigued to see who gets SFF in that match and I can't set it up in the second round. And I'll probably switch Serge and DK's seeds, I was waiting for some feedback on that.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I would either expect Bowser to get it or the match not to have it at all. He's the 2nd strongest from his series, and Zelda is 3rd. Plus, regardless of how much Snake may have fallen, neither stand a chance of beating him, especially with Snake Eater on the horizon.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

I'd like to see how Zidane would perform, but there's really no room for him in your bracket.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Do you think he'd be stronger than Serge? Or how about Aya? My bracket is full of Square characters, so I'd rather not add Zidane in outright, but a replacement might be in order.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Keep Serge. The Chrono series needs just one more representative and you've got a great one him the blue haired hero...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Zidane would certainly perform at a higher quality than a 14 seed, so I wouldn't replace him with Aya. I'd rather keep Serge in there as well.

The only Square character I'd say to replace Zidane with is Kefka. He's not really all that strong, and I think Terra would do better than him anyway.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

I'm pretty sure Bass would do better then Dr Wily.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

That's true, though I'd rather neither of them make it. Bass could actually perform decently, but I don't like him. On the other hand, I don't see Wily as much more than fodder.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Wily is a 14 seed. I don't expect him to be much more than fodder.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I'd let anyone who has the potential to perform decently in, regardless of how much I like them. I want some new characters with potential.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Well, Sigma is plenty as far as Mega Man villains are concerned. Personally, I'd rather let Protoman have another shot.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Dr. Wily fodder?! There is absolutely no way he would be fodder.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

"Dr. Wily fodder?! There is absolutely no way he would be fodder."

HM, quit kidding yourself. Honestly, who in there right mind would want to vote for a guy in a suit. Hell, I'm sure he might even be as bad as Tanner!
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SC2K4 Score: 80/88
Today's Pick: Sonic

If Dr. Wily got his sprite he'd be UNSTOPPABLE. Honestly, who can resist the eyebrows?
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Cloud786: What does wangsterbate mean?
Lawn Flamingo Lamp: It's from Pokemon.

I'll agree with Sigma being better than Dr. Wily, possibly. He does have a better look to him, comes from a more recent series, and is becoming as persistent as the scientist himself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Dr. Wily would be a lesser version of Ganondorf, with his popularity riding on the hero's coattails.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

sorry but wily wouldn't do well at all.. i agree with a 13 or 14 seed for him
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

I'd vote Wily over Sigma though. Sigma might do better anyway.
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The main hero from the Mega Man series being at the level of Tanner? Honestly, the fact that he's the main villain of a very respected series should speak volumes. He doesn't have the look of someone who would be strong, but I couldn't possibly imagine him being fodder.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Heh. I mean main villain, not hero.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I forgot about Protoman. Which two are the strongest of the three? Make it 2 out of 4, I'll throw in Bass, just for fun.

Protoman, Dr. Wily, Sigma, or Bass?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

And I don't see that happening because he has no games in his future

That's why Square needs to get in gear with a CT remake on the Nintendo DS/Sony PSP, or major console, in the very near future.

What Square really needs to do is make a new game staring Magus that's about his mission to find Schala (starting after CT ends). Considering the game's about time travel, there's no reason they couldn't say it's a different timeline from Chrono Cross or something like that. Just ignore everything from CC and make a new time travel game with different time periods.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

Definitely Protoman...

Oh, that's the idea. Heh...

Even with SFF, I don't think Protoman was looking too impressive there.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Protoman >>>> Bass
Sigma > Dr. Wily
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Bass > Sigma > Protoman = Dr. Wily

That's how I'd see it and considering that Protoman wouldn't finish in the bottom 32 after you take the SFF out of his match and your setup with solid competitors from whoever you pick.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Actually, I'm more inclined to take Sigma over Bass.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I could throw in another Mega Man character, but I don't know who to take out. I've eliminated so much fodder already.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I'd definitely take Sigma or Bass if your running tight on spaces. They would not be fodder at all, and I'd expect them to at least rank in that area of around 25-27% on Link in 2003.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Sigma is already in there. Just replace Dr. Wily with Protoman, and we'll be in good shape.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Should I bump Kefka/Raiden down and give Sigma a shot against the other?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Oh? I haven't checked. I would go with Dr. Wily.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Replace Kefka with Zidane and leave him against Raiden. I think that matchup would be interesting.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Which two are the strongest of the three? Make it 2 out of 4, I'll throw in Bass, just for fun.

Protoman, Dr. Wily, Sigma, or Bass?

I think Bass and Protoman.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I love Kefka oh so much, though...

Oh well. After seeing Vivi's strength, I have to admit there's a decent chance Zidane's stronger than Kefka. And I already have Terra in a favorable match against Kerrigan.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

I replaced Dr. Wily with Protoman. I also took out MewTwo and stuck in Bass. I don't think any Pokemon can do well, anyway. That means Bass is lucky enough to go against Vincent in the first round.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

(3) Zero
(14) Aya Brea
(6) Aeris
(11) Luigi

I really think Aerith deserves better than a second round date with Zero. She's finished in the top 16 both years and she's coming off a huge contest snub - give her the 4 seed she deserves, or even a slightly generous 3 seed, and set her up for the second round match against Zelda that everyone wants to see.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

If Ness can benefit from SSBM, I don't see why MewTwo couldn't. No matter how much people may not like it, Pokemon is still popular. We deserve to see how MewTwo would fare before we totally count him out. I'd take him over Ness <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Didn't seem to help Pikachu all that much, though he probably got SFF'd by Fox, who in turn got SFF'd by Link.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Do you guys think Tidus/Bowser and Tidus/Snake would be good matches? I have to criminally underseed somebody, so it might as well be somebody with a shot on Snake. That lets me set up Aeris/Zelda, winner (Aeris) gets Mario, Squall faces Zero instead of Tidus, which is probably better for SFF purposes.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Overall it's a great bracket. Having looked at it a little more closely, here's what I would do.

Give Aerith Vincent's 3 seed. It's a little high, but I think she's earned it. Vincent, on the other hand, will be new to the contest, so he can really come in anywhere. Moreover, I think it makes things a little more exciting if the newbies come in with low seeds and have a chance to surprise some people. Think about this year... who was more exciting, Vivi or Ryu Hayabusa?

So, bring Vincent in as a 10 seed, and move Zelda up to 6. A first round matchup with Bowser would be perfect for Vincent. Put Zelda and Aerith in the same division... and since their first round opponents have been changed, you might want to shuffle some of those around a little to fix them back up.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

That'll work. I lose one good match (Vincent/Dante), but gain two more (Aeris/Zelda, Vincent/Bowser). Plus there's the off chance that Vincent can challenge Snake.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
"It's over for you...Your life ends here!" ~ Magus

Boo to making Vincent go up against Solid Snake, but that's where a great upset is...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z and SythaWarrior for they have pwnd me...again*

It wouldn't come to fruition though. Somebody's gotta be robbed in the brackets.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Eh, I don't think a newbie should be given such a high seed, regardless of how much potential he has.

Heh, I agree. Contest newbies should start out low.

Eh, I don't see the point of a Magus-Tidus 2nd round match. It'd be close, but we've already seen who's stronger indirectly through Ganondorf.

Here I don't agree. By the time the next contest rolls around, that indirect comparison will be two years old. Magus being 1% better than Tidus two years ago means nothing - just ask Mario. On the other hand, it is an SFF matchup, which I wouldn't mind avoiding.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 84/88
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sonic with 63%

I wouldn't see Vincent doing anything under 45% against Solid Snake, so it's certainly a possibility for him to do so...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z and SythaWarrior for they have pwnd me...again*

I don't care what Vincent gets on Snake. I don't think he'd beat him.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

Of course Vincent wouldn't beat Snake. I don't even think it would be that close.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Seeing Vincent beat Solid Snake would be cool.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

He wouldn't beat him, and he'd struggle with 40% too.

God these fill up fast....
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

I said it's certainly possible for him to do so, but the only way I'd feel absolutely secure with doing so is after Dirge of Cerberus.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z and SythaWarrior for they have pwnd me...again*

If Frog can get 48% on Snake, is it that far out there to give Vincent 43 - 45% after Dirge of the Cerebus (or whatever that game was called...)?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

500, i have no clue
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SC2K4 Points: 81/88
Today's Pick: Sonic Tomorrow's Pick: Samus

Oh, wonderful. Another topic will soon hit 500. Sure does give my life a purpose, this does.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

There's no guarantee that Vincent would even be stronger than Aeris, much less Frog.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 3-0
Today's result: Tennessee 42, Louisiana Tech 17

*sigh*
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Yay Vincent.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Trick question!

Lemmy IS God!

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I am Lucid Faia.