I'm going to bed, and I won't be back on the internet until around 8 PM EST tomorrow night, which is almost 20 hours from now. 68 is guaranteed to have 500 posts by then, so hey, here you go. Besides, I've been looking for ward to this number for awhile =)

Speaking 69ing, I'm going to bed. Later.

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

***Miscellaneous***

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Go Squall!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Go kick Squall's ass Cloud!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

w00t 69!

Oh, and Squall with the upset . . .

Book it.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Go Part Number! And Glen!
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Go Cloud.
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

just a tad early... but meh. I have been looking forward to it too...
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SC2k4 Score: 67/76 Todays Pick: Frog over Kefka
My Mistakes Rd. 2:Luigi, Kefka, Tails

They both suck! So, go Frog!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I have a theory about Link:

He does so well against fodder because people want to see him completely kick his enemy's ASS to the point where it's embarassing.

And he did that in the first Summer Contest pretty much, where only Sephy came the closest to him wiht 14,000 votes.

In the 2nd SC, Square fans and a few other random voters still gave him a good blow-out against Aiai and other crap, but when Cloud came into the picture, most voters simply voted Cloud in an attempt to make the match closer.

Where, Cloud kicked Link's ass.

This year, I think Link will either win EVERYTHING or lose to Crono.

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llll \|/ llll GO CANADA GO
llll ¯|¯ llll I'M BAAAAAAAACK

wow...I managed to kill Ulti's topic...

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llll \|/ llll GO CANADA GO
llll ¯|¯ llll I'M BAAAAAAAACK

No, this topic isn't supposed to be used yet.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b54.jpg
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b55.jpg
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b56.jpg

Not bad at all.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

69 XD and why must ulti get 69 500 topics yet i cant get a single one T_T *crawls into corner and cries*
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someone must die today and it will be......someone!
official first employee of SSK

This year, I think Link will either win EVERYTHING or lose to Crono.

Why Crono? He would've needed to beat Mario by much more than he did to really look threatening...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Because he's the first non-Nintendo possible threat he's facing? (Much like Sephy on 2K2 and Cloud on 2K3. Sure, Samus was a possible threat and all, but she was Nintendo)
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

And the fact that Link got 62.53% on Mario, apparently with minimal SFF based on Sephiroth's performance against Mario in 2003, compared to Crono's 53.24% doesn't mean anything?

Crono will probably just barely break 40%....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

OMG a topic made by Ulti.

*Mass Postarz*

Tee Hee Hee.
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(•• ) ( ••) (•• ) ( ••) ( ••) (•• )
CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE CAKE

Just another SFF snoozefest brought to you by Ceej...
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 75/84 MK Deception: Oct 5!

What's that THING under Auron's name?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Nah, just another "I can't get SFF on anybody" performance by Sephiroth. He's done next round.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Anyways from the last topic

That's like so weird even some Bungie.net voters voted for Frog. That explains his jump in vote gains and his drop back under 600 was about 1 hour before MC went below 600. It also looks like Bungie voters only lasted for 6 hours too

not you too charmander :' (

I'll just have to wait for next year I suppose for MC to display his full power.

The explain to me why Frog got a 100 vote jump at the same time MC got a 200 vote jump. Sure the majority went with MC, but some went with Frog too.
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

Kinda like how some B.netters started voting Halo out of spite for the spammers, you mean?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 076/084 - Matches: 49/53 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

probably
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

Today's pic is horrid...
Tomorrow's is ok (Sonic looks great)
Sunday's pic looks good.
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

I just wanted to post in this for once (mainly because of the end of the title, but hey maybe someone will notice me and vote for me in Forsaken's tourney tommorow)

</blatent plea for votes>
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SC2K4 stats: 76/84 missed: Ganondorf, Tidus, Vyse, Sam, Zero, Squall
Predictions: Sephiroth, Sonic, Samus->Link, Mega, Cloud, Samus. Tied at 689th

Is there any possibility that Squall dropped, and Auron is now stronger than him?
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
82/84/192 Next tough pick: Sephiroth

Yes. Let's cling to that hope.
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I call it "Self Portrait in Late October"
I call it Last Place. Ding!

true Since FFX is still in this generation it is possible for Auron to go up (but not enough to give Sephiroth the win though)
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

oh, sexy title ^_^
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Winner of Leebo's save the users tournament.

If this is Auron's strength without SFF, which Dante/Tails would indicate that it is, yes, he's stronger than Squally and a tad stronger than Aeris. Still below Tidus, though.

On that note, I have Auron/Shadow set up in my bracket. Who comes away with a win there?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Link is going to devestate Cloud.

Damned Cloud...first Vyse, then Squall, soon my bracket...
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

Link has a good chance. Link/Yoshi drew in a lot more voters than Cloud/Squall.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

This entire contest is a hoax. IMO, none of the characters that make it to the final four are worth a ****.

In fact, 67% of the characters I've voted for have lost.
Here's a breakdown: (* indicates a winning character)

CATS over Link
Alucard over Gannondorf
Yoshi over Ryu*
Luigi over Pac-Man*
Magus over Luca*
Conker over Crono
Bowser over Guybrush
JC Denton over Mario
MegaMan over Earthworm Jim*
Shadow over Tidus
Payne over Vercetti
Protoman over Zero
Liquid over Frog
Master Chief over Crash*
Kefka over Knuckles
Snake over Tanner*
Duke Nukem over Cloud
Laharl over Vyse
Kain over Kirby
Bomberman over Squall
Jak over Ness
Scorpion over Auron
DK over Vivi
Cooper over Sephiroth
Sonic over Terry*
Ryu over KOS-MOS*
Tails over Viewtiful Joe*
Ratchet over Dante
HK-47 over Sora
Jill over Ryu
Freeman over Fisher
Samus over Lara Croft*
Gannon over Link
Yoshi over Luigi*
Magus over Crono
Bowser over Mario
MegaMan over Tidus*
Vercetti over Zero
Frog over Master Chief*
Snake over Knuckles*
Vyse over Cloud
Kirby over Squall
Ness over Auron
Vivi over Sephiroth
Sonic over Ryu*
Tails over Dante
Ryu over Sora
Fisher over Samus
Yoshi over Link
Mario over Crono
MegaMan over Zero*
Snake over Frog*
Squall over Cloud?

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Nothing is 0% or 100% probable, except life, death, and time.

Link has a good chance. Link/Yoshi drew in a lot more voters than Cloud/Squall.

I had expected 95,000 out of Cloud's match, because his matches often have more votes than Link's do anyway and I would think that Cloud + Squall would be more interesting and more likely to draw a ton of voters than a Link + Yoshi match...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Perhaps it was too much of a dilemma for a bunch of them to decide which awesome character to vote for: Squall or Cloud.

...Yeah, that's it.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Well before Link vs. Yoshi, I was expecting vote totals of just a bit higher than Link vs. Ganondorf, because it wasn't quite as much SFF. But when it got ~93,000, I didn't see any reason why a match involving Cloud and a character more popular than Yoshi shouldn't be able to get more votes...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

... When does Sephiroth plan on breaking 67%?

I'm not even sure he'll break 68% at this rate. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Dilemma, I tell you!

Either way, it doesn't matter much. I think Cloud-Sephiroth should break 100,000 next round without much trouble, though Link-Crono could do the same.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

He just did it. Keep going, Seph!!
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
82/84/192 Next tough pick: Sephiroth

Auron refuses to have a match that doesn't come close to 65/35 without SFF.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

And Seph's % is still going up. Hope he gets to 70%...
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
82/84/192 Next tough pick: Sephiroth

Either way, it doesn't matter much. I think Cloud-Sephiroth should break 100,000 next round without much trouble, though Link-Crono could do the same.

About ****ing time, I say. =(

To that and to Sephiroth breaking 67%...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Bring on Samus/Sora!

By the way, can we agree on ceiling and floor values for Sora?

SoraCeiling ~= Zero (no Jill drop)
SoraFloor ~= Dante (3.8% Jill drop, roughly twice her 2k2->2k3 drop)

With that, Samus in 2k3 would be expected to get 56.23% on SoraCeiling and 62.8% on SoraFloor.

Cloud would be expected to get 67.86% on SoraCeiling and 72.68% on Sora Floor.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

And for shameless plug purposes, you can grab my XS program here:

http://www.sc2k4.com/excel/XS.zip

If you're wondering on how to enter names (for example, you enter Solid Snake and Cloud data comes up), open XS.dat in notepad or wordpad and check the entry. You'll notice Snake's is labelled SolidSnake, because C++ is picky about whitespaces and I'm too lazy to code around it. So enter SolidSnake at the prompt and you'll get what you want.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Although Cloud would actually blow Sora out of the water due to SFF...
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Well, yeah, but those values are merely for comparative purposes. I would normally use Link, but Samus does go up against Cloud first, so I wanted to get his range.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

And Sephiroth has dipped back under 67%. Good job, Auron.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I have to admit that I'm pleased with Auron's performance. Auron >> Sephiroth, after all, so I'm not too upset.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 80/84, Next Winner: Sephiroth

This does not bode well for Sephiroth's prospects at taking down Cloud in a week, five days, does it? Aah well... hopefully we can keep the perfect until that match.

And Chichiri... do you still feel we will not see a 190 or 191?
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 84/88 Rank: T-93

The explain to me why Frog got a 100 vote jump at the same time MC got a 200 vote jump. Sure the majority went with MC, but some went with Frog too.


Can you show me this time, please? And I find it very difficult to believe that that certain site would result in a significant jump for Frog. It wasn't even the main bungie site, as tre noted, so the people that go there would almost be going strictly for halo fanstuff. I don't know how likely they would be to vote for Frog.

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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

I'm going to assume that most X-Box fans had systems before the X-Box, especially since it's supposed t appeal to older gamers. It's not likely that Frog would get many new votes from it, but it wouldn't surprise me if that is the case.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

We may not get a 191 or 192, but we will get a 183...me at the end!

In other news...ummm....dont got any!
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 75/84 MK Deception: Oct 5!

67.08% for Sephiroth.
Doesn't look like he'll be breaking 68% ...

This doesn't look good for Sephiroth vs. Cloud at all.. Cloud will win by a bigger margin this year..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Sephiroth

"And Chichiri... do you still feel we will not see a 190 or 191?"

We've only doen one fo the matches that I said was goign to weed people out. We still have plenty of time to throw people off. If I am to win, we can't have a 190.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Nah I don't think this matches has anything to do with the outcome of Cloud VS Sephiroth.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.76/84

67.08% for Sephiroth.
Doesn't look like he'll be breaking 68% ...

This doesn't look good for Sephiroth vs. Cloud at all.. Cloud will win by a bigger margin this year..

Possibly, although it's also possible that Cloud simply gets more SFF mileage than Seph. What was Seph supposed to get on Auron, minus 2k3 SFF?
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Nah I don't think this matches has anything to do with the outcome of Cloud VS Sephiroth.

I never believed Sephiroth could beat Cloud in the first place.. *puts up flame shield* .. This makes me believe it more..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Sephiroth

I'm not sure why so many people assume that it is some sort of weakness that Seph doesn't gain from SFF. All it tells me is that Sephiroth's fanbase is purely devout... they wouldn't drop another character for Seph and they certainly won't drop Seph for anybody else.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I think I voted for most of the losing characters too....
(this is to the guy that said he voted for most of the characters that lost) of course, half of the time it was a pity vote, but the other half was that I truely liked that character better.
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Winner of Leebo's save the users tournament.

I'm not sure why so many people assume that it is some sort of weakness that Seph doesn't gain from SFF. All it tells me is that Sephiroth's fanbase is purely devout... they wouldn't drop another character for Seph and they certainly won't drop Seph for anybody else.

Damn it, I should have stayed with the flock and voted for Sephy! But Auron is so much cooler...damn...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 80/84, Next Winner: Sephiroth

Even if you throw SFF out of the window, Sephiroth is falling short of Cloud's exploits of last year. Barely breaking 67% on Auron so far is certainly not of the same caliber of doubling Sonic.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

eh, let's see...
192-8=184.

The rest goes my way, that's my score.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

185 if everything else goes my way...but I don't find it likely that I'd win anything with that score anyways. Therefore, I'm gonna cheer on HM's bracket 'cuz Mega Man needs to win, dammit.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

188 if everything goes my way..... might end up in the top 50, I'd like that.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

"Damn it, I should have stayed with the flock and voted for Sephy! But Auron is so much cooler...damn..."

Anecdotal. :) Besides, I wasn't talking about individuals, I was talking about Seph fans as a whole. There are only 4, maybe 5, characters I'd vote for over Seph, and some of those may just be pity votes. Scratch that, all but two are pity votes, the other two are Alucard and Vivi.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"Barely breaking 67% on Auron so far is certainly not of the same caliber of doubling Sonic."

Actually, considering what Auron has done so far, it's pretty damn close to it.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Well, since it seems to be the trend, 189 if everything goes my way.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I'm only four points off, but still.... Just like a bunch of us our winner is the same winner as plenty of other people on the leaderboard. Assuming that Cloud or Link wins, a lot of us would have to hope that people picked Sonic to beat Samus. Other than that, I doubt many people picked Sephiroth to beat Cloud but lose to Link, Crono to beat Link or Snake to beat MegaMan....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Anecdotal. :)

I know, just saying, is all...I abandoned my true master. Will he ever forgive me?

Besides, I wasn't talking about individuals, I was talking about Seph fans as a whole.

Yeah, I realize that, and I do agree with you on that point. There are few characters I'd vote for over Sephiroth, and he's against one of them today.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 80/84, Next Winner: Sephiroth

Wait, scratch that.

Auron only got 65% on Ness. Ouch.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

"I know, just saying, is all...I abandoned my true master. Will he ever forgive me?"

Probably not. Now his Yummy-ness is mine!

*laughs a very awkward laugh, then hides*
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

eh, i could see a 184 winning, but not with a cookie cutter bracket.

I gotta hope everyone in front of me has stuff messed up and has link/cloud in favor of link.

which, of course, isn't gonna happen.

SOMEONE ahead of me will have a mirror bracket.

i'm just hoping for top 50, really.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Auron vs. Sephiroth

Saw Seph with 66% this morning, now he has 67%. Nice job Seph, nice job.

And if Seph fails to SFF Auron, not nessacarily as much as today, but if he doesn't get some SFF, he's done next Round. Why? In order to beat Cloud, he would have to get some SFF on him. If he does another Vivi against Auron, then there's no way he'll get it on Cloud.

I said that, and I am sticking with this. So to all the people with Seph over Cloud and where actually arguing about why this was happening, just sit back, and shut up. Cloud will beat Seph, the only question is by how much...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Auron vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (80/84)

Yeah... imagine if this and last round's matches did have SFF favoring Seph and we just didn't know it...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I almost forgot, we got new pics up. >=)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b54.jpg

Ewww....ugly pic. Worst of the round (JUST before Frog/Snake). I mean, Auron isn't facing us and Seph is looking ugly.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b55.jpg

Viewtiful Dante? I figured we would be seeing a pic of Dante from VJ somewhere in the Contest. And Sonic looks alright.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b56.jpg

Try all you want Sora, Samus will destroy you anyway >=) Decent pic...The round always starts off so good, and then the quality just dies.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Auron vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (80/84)

Ewww....ugly pic. Worst of the round (JUST before Frog/Snake). I mean, Auron isn't facing us and Seph is looking ugly.

Actually, I think it's the best pic thus far. The characters are facing each other in battle stance and it sets a really nice scene.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 80/84, Next Winner: Sephiroth

Actually, I think it's the best pic thus far. The characters are facing each other in battle stance and it sets a really nice scene.

Well, your biased. =P

I just don't like the overall scene though. I prefer the brighter, more colorful match pictures.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Auron vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (80/84)

question:

Is that a MORTAL KOMBAT background?

*is doublechecking*
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!" RPGE777:ChocoCid

Yeah... imagine if this and last round's matches did have SFF favoring Seph and we just didn't know it...

Then Vivi would look even more impressive. =)

But it would make Cloud vs. Sephiroth uninteresting...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"Then Vivi would look even more impressive. =)"

That's by no means a bad thing. And I can't imagine why you'd say that it'd make the next round less exciting... the idea of Seph not having a real chance is unexciting... then again I think he has a real chance even without SFFing Auron or Vivi.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

The explain to me why Frog got a 100 vote jump at the same time MC got a 200 vote jump. Sure the majority went with MC, but some went with Frog too.


Can you show me this time, please? And I find it very difficult to believe that that certain site would result in a significant jump for Frog. It wasn't even the main bungie site, as tre noted, so the people that go there would almost be going strictly for halo fanstuff. I don't know how likely they would be to vote for Frog.

Sure here

11:45 | Frog | 19524 | +0534 | 53.27% | Master Chief | 17129 | +0519 | 46.73% | Lead of 2395 | (Up 015)
12:00 | Frog | 20154 | +0630 | 53.05% | Master Chief | 17834 | +0705 | 46.95% | Lead of 2320 | (Down 075)

I know Bungie.net put the link up at 7:30, but nothing really happened to MC, but that's because Xbox is only really liked in NA and the afterschool vote didn't start until 11:45/12:00

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And I can't imagine why you'd say that it'd make the next round less exciting... the idea of Seph not having a real chance is unexciting...

Isn't that what I said; that the match would be less exciting if Sephiroth did not have a chance? O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That's by no means a bad thing. And I can't imagine why you'd say that it'd make the next round less exciting... the idea of Seph not having a real chance is unexciting... then again I think he has a real chance even without SFFing Auron or Vivi.

As much as I hate to admit it, Sephy always have a chance.

The real question is how big is that chance?

At the moment, my hunch give Sephy about 20%.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

"Then Vivi would look even more impressive. =)

But it would make Cloud vs. Sephiroth uninteresting..."

Made it sound like you thought it'd make the match uninteresting.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

People are talking possible Samus upset over Cloud?

I doubt it.. I would like to see a new winner of the contest, but it looks like the closest thing to a new winner could be Crono(yes, I still think he's gonna top Link, or make it close. If Link slaughters him, I'll admit I was wrong and change my sig because Link will beat Cloud if he does slaughter Crono). Samus has had a very nice run but she's up for two tough matches in a row against Sora and Sonic. She needs to do impressively against them both to stand a chance against Cloud. Looking at how today's matchup is going for Sephiroth, Cloud will beat him silly and it would make a possible Samus upset VERY difficult, if it's possible.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Don't put too much stock into SFF matches. This isn't showing how strong Cloud is. If we put faith into SFF, we would all believe that CATS is stronger than Ganondorf.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Yeah, we still have no real idea about Seph here. This late in the contest he's the only real mystery, even if there is some confusion about others. We'll just have to see.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

CATS may not be stronger than Ganondorf; the margin of error could give him the win. CATS would beat Alucard with no question, however. =)
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

CATS may not be stronger than Ganondorf; the margin of error could give him the win. CATS would beat Alucard with no question, however. =)

AGREE'D

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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

So is Squall > Auron or the other way around? Does this match mean that Cloud > Sephiroth or is there a chance in hell still for Sephiroth to win?
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 2006th place

Against Vivi, Sephy was 69.34% at this point.
He's only up to 67.24% against Auron.
At this rate, he'll be lucky to break 69%.

While the last 2 matches said little about Cloud and Sephy's strengths, it does make Sephy's chances look slimmer.

As somebody said before, Sephy will need to benefit from SFF to beat Cloud.
If he can't get any from Vivi or Auron, I doubt he can get any from Cloud.
And if anything Cloud might SFF him instead.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Sephiroth still has a chance. SFF like this can do really wacky unexplainable things. We really just have to wait for the match, that's all we can do.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Does this match mean that Cloud > Sephiroth or is there a chance in hell still for Sephiroth to win?

Sephy always has a chance against Cloud, all this match does is making whatever chance he has look slimmer.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I made a bracket. The seedings are based mostly on character strength, although there are a few errors. The are 10 newcomers, 14 Nintendo characters (5 of which can't win their first matches), 13 Square characters (2 of which can't win their first round matches), 14 characters in total that have no chance of winning their first match (fodder), and 12 matches in the entire contest (including rounds besides Round 1) that I would call a toss-up. Plus this bracket has only an average amount of SFF (unlike this year) and all of the contest "traditions" are gone. This means no Bomberman/Kirby curse, no Knuckles vs. Snake, and NO MARIO vs. CRONO. (Although GFNW is still intact and will be oh-so-obvious this time around) Suggestions for new characters and replacements are welcome.

North

1 Cloud
16 Cait Sith
8 Sora
9 CJ
6 Shadow
11 Felix
4 Zero
13 Ness
3 Ganondorf
14 Dig Dug
5 Vivi
12 Kefka
7 Knuckles
10 Ridley
2 Mega Man
15 Laharl

East
1 Sepheroth
16 CATS
8 Zelda
9 Tails
6 Yoshi
11 Viewtiful Joe
4 Aeris
13 Bomberman
3 Magus
14 Conker
5 Ryu
12 Mewtwo
7 Alucard
10 Mass Carriers
2 Solid Snake
15 Earthworm Jim

West
1 Samus
16 Tanner
8 Sub-Zero
9 DK
6 Master Chief
11 Peach
4 Bowser
13 Sam Fisher
3 Tidus
14 Pikachu
5 Squall
12 Wario
7 Kirby
10 Raiden
2 Crono
15 Duke Nukem

South
1 Link
16 Jak
8 Tifa Lockheart
9 Luigi
6 Dante
11 Ryu Hayabusa
4 Auron
13 Jill Valentine
3 Sonic
14 Pac-Man
5 Frog
12 Fox McCloud
7 Liquid Snake
10 Kazooie
2 Mario
15 Gordon Freeman
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Gooper Blooper? Who is this? I know no Gooper Blooper.
http://www.x-entertainment.com/

Folks, remember that SFF varies. FFVIII fans are much closer to FFVII fans then FFX fans are. There is the obvious Square SFF, but Cloud's SFF is much more prominent considering the true fanbases. Plus, X2 could've been a factor as well (just playing X2 would bring out memories which would make a character stronger), combined with the loss of the casual vote could bring up Auron quite a bit. Cloud's still the favorite, but lets not call this just yet.

Made it sound like you thought it'd make the match uninteresting.

Well if the match is never in doubt and the winner wins by more than, say, 54%, it becomes pretty uninteresting to me. Or unexciting... whatever.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

People are talking possible Samus upset over Cloud?

I doubt it.. I would like to see a new winner of the contest, but it looks like the closest thing to a new winner could be Crono

So, you count Samus out and think Crono has a chance? Let's see what Crono has done so far...he beat Conker by 2% more than he was expected to, and that predicted his win over Mario within .5%. He stands no chance against Link given Crono's consistent numbers, and will struggle to break 42%. Samus, on the otherhand, has severly outperformed Cloud twice.

I don't get it.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Samus has never outperformed Cloud. She blew out two people that don't matter. I don't care if you get 99% on Sam Fisher or Lara Croft. It's still too low level of an opponent to mean anything.

Even Sora. I won't be impressed unless Samus gets over 70% on Sora.

The only thing I see to gauge Samus's strength is Sonic. Nothing else.
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Samus has never outperformed Cloud. She blew out two people that don't matter. I don't care if you get 99% on Sam Fisher or Lara Croft. It's still too low level of an opponent to mean anything.

Last I checked, Lara was stronger than Vyse and Samus did better on Lara than Cloud did on Vyse...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Samus did outperform Cloud, twice, and to nearly the same percentage. If it is so easy to overperform drastically on fodder, then why did no other character besides Samus pull it off?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Last I checked, Vyse and Lara's popularity in accordance to each other are only known through a flawed system.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

A flawed system, eh? Then why has it only broken down without explanation 6 times out of 50 odd matches, 2 of which dealt with Samus massively overperforming?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

It isn't that flawed. Lara managed to get ~30% on Crono in 2002. Would you really expect Vyse to do the same?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Because the other 44 matches it didn't break down on were common sense anyway.

I'm not saying anything. I'm just going to wait until the time comes. Samus Vs. Sonic. Until that day, I'm not going to ridiculously spurt nonsense on a Samus upset.

What's next. A Crono championship next year? You guys are so fickle.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

"What's next. A Crono championship next year?"

Wasn't that obvious?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I'm just going to add this: last year Cloud himself performed far better than was expected, but there were still nay-sayers (myself included) who blindly believed Link was immune to the improved Cloud Strife.

Sora vs. Samus should give a very clear indicator to Samus' true potential. And it is on a Sunday, which if you all haven't noticed is reaching very high numbers every week. (93k, Squall vs. Kirby, 94k, Link vs. Yoshi)
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Currently Supporting: Link and Samus.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

And it is on a Sunday, which if you all haven't noticed is reaching very high numbers every week. (93k, Squall vs. Kirby, 94k, Link vs. Yoshi)

Speaking of high vote totals and Sunday, the finals will take place on Sunday now... =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud's SFFless range on Sora is 67.86%-72.68%. If Samus can't at least hit those numbers, I'll shut up about her.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Well with the overperformance of Samus each time even if we put her equal to Cloud both Lara and Sam just fall too much for it being "margin of error"
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

I don't remember exactly, but I think myself and RPGuy96 were the first two to insist that Samus could win.

And when she does, we'll get to point and laugh at everyone who thought otherwise.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Because the other 44 matches it didn't break down on were common sense anyway

Common sense that they would happen to within the percentage that the XS predicted them to? Come on now, you can do better than that.

I don't remember exactly, but I think myself and RPGuy96 were the first two to insist that Samus could win.

And when she does, we'll get to point and laugh at everyone who thought otherwise.

I remember Slowflake pointing out the 64% figure and making a topic about that the day of her first match (against Lara).

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Samus has never outperformed Cloud. She blew out two people that don't matter.

1) Regardless, Samus's outperformance (made that word up, bay-bee) on her first two opponents is more impressive than Cloud doin' about what's expected of him with his first two opponents, both of which are widely considered as weaker than Samus's opponents. Considering Cloud's performance on Sonic last year and that Samus very well may be equal to or greater than Cloud, Samus CAN break 70% on Sora...how scary would that be? That would be the end of Cloud if that happens. Oh, and as an interesting fun-fact I just noticed, Cloud nearly doubled Sonic last year and beat the previous champion in the next round. Samus is looking to follow those same footsteps.

2) Crono overperformed against Conker compared to last year, and that led to the accurate estimate of Crono's percentage on Mario. Are you going to claim that Conker is a somebody?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Then why has it only broken down without explanation 6 times out of 50 odd matches, 2 of which dealt with Samus massively overperforming?

And what constitutes breaking down? How "close" does it need to be?

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

yup unless something terrible happens against her match against Sora she has this contest won
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Summer 2004 Contest 73/84 Sephiroth vs. Auron

Slowflake may have been another. Like I said, I don't remember exactly. I remember that I was among the first.

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I am Lucid Faia.

After Samus/Lara, I was confused but decided to wait until Samus/Sam to draw a conclusion. During Samus/Sam, I put together my little analysis, and I started thinking that Samus looked a lot like Cloud last year and had a really good chance to win.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Slowflake may have been another. Like I said, I don't remember exactly. I remember that I was among the first.

And even if you weren't among the first, you are among the most insistent about it. ;)

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Most of the time the stats have been horribly wrong, it's been when people have been wrong in trying to calculate SFF. For instance, for some reason, people didn't want to believe that there was SFF in Ness/Bowser. Well, there was, and he overperformed big time, as he solidly beat Jak and did well against Auron.

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I am Lucid Faia.

go squall
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"WHAT,WHAT,OOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK - Dave Chappele or watever his name is,can't spell"o and nobody cares.

And even if you weren't among the first, you are among the most insistent about it. ;)

Definitely. You've seen my topic. >_>

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I am Lucid Faia.

And what constitutes breaking down? How "close" does it need to be?

For me, breaking down equals a character having to take a 5% rise/fall in the XS with no explanations (ie, there was SFF last year in Crono/Kefka, so Knux/Kefka is not an example). The matches I consider the XS breaking down are as follows:

Luigi/Pac Man
Mega Man/Tidus
Snake/Frog
Sora/Hayabusa
Samus/Lara
Samus/Sam
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Dabu-

I did not make the comment, but from what I can gather from the numbers being thrown around in previous topics the error margin is around + or - 3%. To me, that seems like a lot, but maybe I am wrong and it is less. If I were to be judging the accuracy of the XS, I would probably use half of that.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 84/88 Rank: T-93

I agree that 3% is high (6% spread), and that 5% is definitely too much. Is there a chart somewhere with the deviations for each match?

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Definitely. You've seen my topic. >_>

Yes, I did. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Here's what I see.

Samus's fanbase is more likely to reach into fans of Lara Croft and Sam Fisher than people like Cloud or Link and "steal" votes from them.

That's why I think Samus's overperformance against them doesn't mean nearly as much. Not to mention Sam "I barely did better than Max Payne" Fisher kept her under 81%. And to me, that is not an overperformance. Yeah, go ahead and say Gordon Freeman increased for no reason. You can say that all you want. I don't care.

Also, Sora is just an oddball. 33% against Aeris and yet he pulls in 60+% against someone who is Jill's equal? It just doesn't smell right, and is also one case where the XP rankings stink even if you throw SFF into the picture. SFF, bad picture for Ryu, etc. etc. I don't even know what to make of it. Which is why I won't be surprised if she pulls in ~70% or as little as 55%. Sora's just too unstable

Which is why I wait for Samus Vs. Sonic.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

I agree that 3% is high (6% spread), and that 5% is definitely too much. Is there a chart somewhere with the deviations for each match?

No, there isn't, though it would be interesting to see one.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

In fact, I'm bored and I have my XS program, available here:

http://www.sc2k4.com/excel/XS.zip

</shameless plug>

So I think I'll make one myself.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Even if Samus beats Cloud in the Semi-Finals, if she faces Link again, she can't win. Unless the nintendo hierarchy has changed drastically, Link is still Nintendo's strongest character in this contest, and Samus will be owned by SFF.
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Currently Supporting: Link and Samus.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

The way I see it:

Assuming the rankings to be correct, it is much better to compare Samus to Cloud after they have faced a common opponent (Sonic).

We have seen that even rankings which are considered to be correct can be as much as 5% off (apparently... I think this is a terrible number to use); going further down a chain to compare characters will only result in a compounding of these 5% errors, will it not?

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Ah, Sephiroth is doing pretty much what I would have expected him to with the day vote; a small rise.

Cloud shall triumph in Midgar.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Snake/Frog

Tsk, tsk, you little bastard. Frog only underperformed by 1.5%.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

"Cloud shall triumph in Midgar."

And that's where it ends.
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Currently Supporting: Link and Samus.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

If you expect the XS to be within <2% all the time, I can see why you have a problem with them. They aren't perfect, and that's way too close.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I'm sure one could devise numerous mathematical models that will all fall within +-5% (a 10% spread is quite large), and each would have quite varying rankings.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

And that's where it ends.

Heh. Samus? The Bounty Hunter meets her end at the hands of Strife.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

RPGuy96, I don't know how to use the program. Do you mind explaining it? ;;>_>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heroic Mario is going to the TOP of my list.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Heh. I anxiously await Samus' loss to Cloud... ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

HM, why'd your topic with the link to the Advent Children trailer get deleted??
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Heh. Cloud Strife should have no trouble with pathetic Nintendo's #1 woman. Square's Finest.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

I deleted it myself. I thought it was a low quality scene of Advent Children, but it just one quick scene of Kadaj screaming and the rest was about the PSP.

We should get the AC trailer this weekend though. I'll be sure to immediately post it when I found out someone has put it up online. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Heh. I anxiously await Samus' loss to Cloud... ;)

I second this.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

You're both added to the list.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Be sure I'm at the top of that list. It'll make Cloud's victory all the sweeter, heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Chaos Division: Round 3 - Match 55 – (1)Sonic vs. (4)Dante

Moltar’s Analysis

Sonic - Gotta go fast! Gotta go fast! Gotta go faster, faster, faster faster, SONIC SEX!

Round 1 – vs. Terry (Sonic: 80.84% - Terry: 19.16%)
Round 2 – vs. Ryu (Sonic: 55.54% - Ryu: 44.46%)

Ryu is a tough opponent, but Sonic is tougher. The Hedgehog gets by the Street Fighter in a close match.

Dante - Exterminating wissies since 1973.

Round 1 – vs. Ratchet (Dante: 80.28% - Ratchet: 19.72%)
Round 2 – vs. Tails (Tails: 42.60% – Dante: 57.40%)

Dante in Round 3 sounds….weird. Oh well, he got past Tails, who is looking very good this year.

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Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sonic will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sonic 58% - Dante 42%



Ulti's Analysis

Congrats Dante, you made the third round. Now fulfill your role and bow out, plz.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Sonic/Sonic with 58.52%


Cena’s Analysis

With Devil May Cry 3 in the works, and it looking pretty damn cool, I'd be surprised, but not in utter amazement to see Dante beat Sonic. But I think, if I remember correctly, that Ryu beat Dante last year, and if I go ahead and use the stats, Dante shouldn't have a chance against Sonic. Since I'm a Sega fanboy, I'm going to have to believe extra hard in that stat for the blue blur to pull ahead and take the victory. It won't be too easy, but with Dante's sad performance against Tails, he doesn't stand any chance to get close to Sonic throughout the day.

Cena’s Vote: Sonic

Cena’s Prediction: Sonic with 64%

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Auron vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (80/84)

RPGuy96, I don't know how to use the program. Do you mind explaining it? ;;>_>

Sure thing. I really should have made a readme.

Start it up, you'll notice 4 options. I'll explain them in order.

1. C vs B

This is what you'll want to use most of the time. This calculates the expected %'s of two characters, like Link and CATS, for instance. Enter 1 at the prompt the see this prompt: C's name? Enter the name of the weaker character, with no spaces. Tidus, for example, or SolidSnake. The next prompt will say: B's Name? Enter the stronger character of the two, no spaces again. The whole thing will look something like this:


1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
1
C's name? CATS
B's name? Link


Press enter, and then you'll see a readout like this:

CATS would get 13.52 on Link
Link would beat CATS with 86.48
Compare to an actual value? y/n:

If you type anything other than 'y', you'll go back to the menu. If you type 'y', you get this.

What was the actual percentage for the loser?

Enter the actual %, 12.17, in our case. You'll see this:

Link is overperforming by 1.35%
Calculate new values? y/n:

Type 'y' to get the new XS values for Link and CATS on 2k3 Link. Something like this:

If CATS stayed constant,
Link changes to 55.5464% on Link,
a difference of 5.54643

Alternately, if Link stayed constant,
CATS changes to 12.17% on Link,
a difference of -1.35

Then you go back to the main menu. More to come!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Thumbs up on Moltar/Ulti's prediction and boo to Cena's. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Never figured Heroic Mario to be a Samus hater. What a shame.

Well I'll throw in my comment about FFVII:DoC then. From those pics, it looks like the genre IS similar to Devil May Cry. And with the Final Fantasy VII pedigree, that means the game won't need time to saturate in the market. Which would suggest that Vincent would enter the next contest at LEAST at the strength of Dante, but also with Square backing.

I'm not as high on Vincent as other people on this board though. In FFVII I easily prefered Cloud, Barret, Tifa, Cid, and Red XIII (AND Reno) over Vincent. Nonetheless, this type of game is perfect for Vincent and Square as a whole. Square has been stagnant on having variety in their games. I loved the other Square games such as Parasite Eve and Brave Fencer Musashi. I hope with this game and Musashi Samurai Legend on the horizon, Square will open back up it's arsenal for non-RPG games.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

The second option, C vs A, is used when you want to get the % of a weaker character on Link based on his percent against a stronger character. Sly Cooper, for example, based on his match with Sephiroth. So, enter 2 at the prompt and hit enter. You are again prompted to enter C's name (no spaces!), then B's name, then the % that C got on B. The program reads all this data and spits out C's % on Link. For example:


1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
2
C's name? SlyCooper
B's name? Sephiroth
SlyCooper's % on Sephiroth? 13.63
SlyCooper would be expected to get 13.5509 on Link.
1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS

The third option does the same thing, except it's used for when the unknown opponent is the stronger of the two. Vivi and Donkey Kong, for example.

Still more!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

The genre still hasn't been confirmed, but ever since I saw the first scan on it, I knew it was strickingly familiar to Devil May Cry in artwork and how the game looked. I look forward to hearing more about it and seeing how they take Vincent give him more character/background in AC and then turn around and give him some more in DoC. A nice year for Vincent it seems.


Oh and Advent Children was confirmed for 2004 in Japan, so we'll definitely be getting it in NA shortly after.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Never figured Heroic Mario to be a Samus hater. What a shame.

Hate Samus? I definitely don't hate her.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Cena’s Prediction: Sonic with 64%

I'll take that. Matter of fact, I kind of NEED a performance of that caliber.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

The last option is Manage XS. It's used to change the extrapolated standings, for example, I think I've already put in characters like Frog and Hayabusa. Hit 4 at the menu to bring up the XS menu:

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
4
What would you like to do with the XS?
1. Add entry
2. Change entry
3. Delete entry


Add Entry prompts you for the name and the % on Link. Change Entry prompts you for the name and % on Link. Delete Entry just prompts you for the name. ;)

All the XS data is located in XS.dat, which can be opened up with notepad or wordpad or similar. XS.cpp is the actual source code that you can look at if you have a compilier.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I had high hopes for Seph, but looks like Cloud has him again this year too. Could got almost 80% on Auron last year, and Seph is under 70%.
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"John Kerry sees two Americas, but that just makes it mutual because America sees two John Kerrys"
Contest score: 90/94 Tied for 91st.

No, Cloud had 72.20%

And RPGuy96, thanks a lot. =)
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hey Lucid, remember this:

From: Zydicore | Posted: 9/20/2004 3:35:25 PM | Message Detail
First of all, Cloud isn't getting past Samus this year.

ROFL!!! I would give you my bank account and PIN number and credit card number if Samus even comes close to beating Cloud.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I see people sayin that Cloud/Seph is gonna crush Samus...

Here's something I find interesting. Cloud beat Squall 75%-25% with a lot of SFF. Squall seemed to be weaker compared to 2003. In 2003, Samus beat a stronger Squall 59%-41% (no SFF).

2004 Samus is stronger than ever, getting over 80% on both of her opponents. Last year, Samus couldn't get past 80% against Isaac.

Now, before you go saying "Link pwned Samus 60-40", don't forget that there was a lot of SFF involved.

In 2002, Samus came within 5000 votes or so of beating Seph. Yes, Kingdom hearts boosted Cloud and Seph greatly... BUT WAIT! let's not forget Metroid Prime and Fusion. Before 2002, Samus hadn't had a starring role in a game since 1994. So Samus was also boosted.

Don't bet on Samus getting destroyed in the Final Four. I expect her to get around 46%. She's not gonna win (it'd be awesome if she did though ^_^), but she'll do a lot better than you expect her to.

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Yes, thank you for reminding me.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

ROFL!!! I would give you my bank account and PIN number and credit card number if Samus even comes close to beating Cloud.

That guy's in DEEP trouble.


Now that we're talkin' 'bout Samus again, let me ask a question: has there been any other characters that has under-performed like Lara and Sam has? There's not any that I can think of, which only makes Samus look better.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Ken Masters came to mind initially, but he was only off 3%. And I dare not call him fodder or HM will kill me.

There's CATS/Cloud, of course.

Oh! Ryo Hazuki did much worse than expected on Dante, but that turned out to be half Ryo and half Dante.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

*interrupts for a moment*

Does anyone have the updates for Link vs. Ganondorf for 22:45, 23:00, 23:15, 23:30, 23:45, and 00:15?

And about the 00:15, it ran over for about 25 minutes, as I recall. I have the final numbers, which I have at 00:30, because that was the closest place to put them... But I still need those remaining numbers.

Or if you don't have the updates, at least the number of votes for Ganondorf and for Link at each of those time periods.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh! Ryo Hazuki did much worse than expected on Dante, but that turned out to be half Ryo and half Dante.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if that was what happened with Samus and Lara.

After Sam Fisher underperformed by nearly 10% on Gordon Freeman, it's difficult to gauge Samus by him.

Even Sora won't be THAT great of a test because we don't know how much was him and how much was Jill decreasing.
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Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I wouldn't be overly surprised if that was what happened with Samus and Lara.

Interestingly, Lara creamed Ryo in 2k2. 70/30, I believe. Half Samus and half Lara still has Samus beating Cloud, I believe.

After Sam Fisher underperformed by nearly 10% on Gordon Freeman, it's difficult to gauge Samus by him.

Everybody in Freeman's half division overperformed. And Gordon went up without reason last year, maybe he did so again. And even if the fall was entirely Sam's, Samus still gets 47% on Cloud. That's with Sam Fisher = Kite.

Even Sora won't be THAT great of a test because we don't know how much was him and how much was Jill decreasing.

We can get a fairly good range, at least, though I agree her first two matches are better material.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Yes, but nobody overperformed by nearly as much as Gordon did. Either way, I find it highly unlikely that this is ALL Samus. Half Samus, maybe. It's just hard to believe that she could pull a complete 180 from getting 40% on Cloud to him getting 40% on her.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Well, yeah. In my analysis the last line is "Not giving her a chance against Cloud is a stupid as thinking she'll break 60% on him." I have no doubt that Lara and Sam have fallen, just not to extreme levels. And enough so that Samus beats Cloud in a close match.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Maybe we'll have our first interesting Final Four matchup since Mario-Crono I this year. Maybe all of them will be that way. I certainly hope so.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Interestingly, Lara creamed Ryo in 2k2. 70/30, I believe. Half Samus and half Lara still has Samus beating Cloud, I believe.

Not quite 60%, actually:

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=976
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, since we get two blowouts in the Elite 8, it's only fair that we get good Final 4 matches.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I stand corrected.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

That makes Lara look really pathetic.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Which two matches are going to be blowouts? I don't see any 65/35 matches, but that's my standard minimum for a "blowout."
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Maybe we'll have our first interesting Final Four matchup since Mario-Crono I this year. Maybe all of them will be that way. I certainly hope so.

I'm expecting both of them to be quite interesting.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

By the way, I found sales for FF games as of November 2002. That means that more recent games won't be accurate.

The sales numbers were from Square and Enix around the time that they merged. Scroll to near the bottom of the page:

http://www.the-magicbox.com/game112902.htm

8.04 million for FFVIII? Wow.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ryo took a 5% slide between 2k2 and 2k3, probably due to the tanking of the DC. Lara Croft actually went up 1.04%, even though she was on Seph's side of the bracket and behind Mega Man.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Which two matches are going to be blowouts? I don't see any 65/35 matches, but that's my standard minimum for a "blowout."

Why, Mega Man/Snake and Samus/Sonic, of course! ;)
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Yeah, Final Fantasy VIII is a good game. That number sounds about right.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

9.20 million for Final Fantasy 7. Still love seeing that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Is OoT still at 7.6 million? It just seems odd, because I thought that it hit 7 million before the end of the year... Did sales just slow done really fast after that??
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I hadn't noticed before, but Chrono Trigger sits at a nice 2.92 million. Good, good.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Maybe we'll have our first interesting Final Four matchup since Mario-Crono I this year. Maybe all of them will be that way. I certainly hope so.

I'm anticipating both of them and the championship, myself. This makes for a nice change, really.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Is OoT still at 7.6 million? It just seems odd, because I thought that it hit 7 million before the end of the year... Did sales just slow done really fast after that??

The latest release was from March 2004 so it probably hasn't sold much more at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

By the way, what does everyone think the picture "theme" will be for the Elite Eight? Most recent appearance like last year?

Heh, it'd be cool if CJayC used CT Resurrection Crono in that case. I doubt he would though.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

CTR Magus looks better.

As long as it isn't the headshots of 2k2, I'll be happy.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Umm... guys.... I think we have a new Fanta Shokata fad for this contest....

http://veepers.budweiser.com/card/pfER7hCo2rguA7JBtv.Cqq
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I kind of want to see Dark Suit Samus...

Oh and amusing FF song/clip thing since we were talking about FF.

And and possible *spoilers*

... sort of....

http://uploads.ungrounded.net/58000/58184_boco2.swf

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Last year's was kind of dull, just two character pictures; two black backgrounds; and then two white backgrounds.

He should do something more interesting this time around...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I love that video. :)
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I love that video. :)

Bad Sephiroth! XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That flash video rocks everytime I watch it. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

HM, Link/Samus was a bad-ass picture though, so that's completely forgivable.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Resurrection Magus looks odd to me.

There's only so much you can do with Crono though since he's only got one game to draw from (Chrono Cross doesn't count since he's only a kid in it).
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I didn't think it was all that great, myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

By the way, does anyone recognize the tune that they used for that flash?

http://www.ffonline.com/media/music/ff6/ff6-Techno_de_Chocobo.mid

^.^

Techno de Chocobo =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

DOINK!
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Did anybody notice the vote totals? They are horrible:

Tidus vs. Shadow at 15:34:39 - 69,272
Sephiroth vs. Auron at 15:34:39 - 56,320

>_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

To put that 56,320 into more perspective, it is only 5028 higher than Magus vs. Luca Blight at the same time - which barely hit 70,000.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

In that case Sephiroth is screwed. He seems to have taken a drop during the contest. From a vote-drawer sitting at #1 for votes all the way down to... what, barely doubling Auron?
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

I know. Link did better with each successive match, either in personal vote total, overall vote total or both. Cloud at least maintained his performance.

And Sephiroth does much worse... O_O
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I love it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I don't. I want Sephiroth to put up a fight and I don't want a crappy 75,000 - 77,000 vote total match in the third round from a Final Fantasy VII character.

>_>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Awesome. My pick of Link is looking better. If everything goes right I should finish in the top 100.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

I want Sephiroth to put up a fight

Funny because I don't.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I didn't say win. ;)

I just want a close match with lead changes, comebacks, etc.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just want a close match with lead changes, comebacks, etc.

Cloud - 46,000
Sephiroth - 33,000

^^^ My ideal scenario. XD And then Clodu beats Samus and Link beats Cloud.
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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

I would like to see Cloud beat Sephiroth with a solid win, since I would like to see Duke/Kirby/Bomberman still do as good as they can in the final rankings...but I have no real preference between Cloud and Sephiroth; they're both pretty cool in my book.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I just want a close match with lead changes, comebacks, etc.

I don't want that either. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Why? O_o

Matches that aren't close are almost always boring... =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I don't want to see Sephiroth do well when he shouldn't. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

It would make up for not doing well when he should. =P
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

It's like Heroic Mario's speaking my words before I can.

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SC2K4 ~ 51/53 ~ 79/84
~Shdwdde

So you just don't like him? Well I can understand that, then.

By the way Sephiroth was at 67.46% and is now at about 67.37%.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nope. Not a Sephiroth fan.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Just because I'm replaying through Chrono Trigger again I feel the need to express how awesome Frog's performance against Solid Snake was. I absolutely loved that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

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Ahem, let me learn to do some basic math and I'll try this again:

Cloud - 46,000
Sephiroth - 33,000

^^^ My ideal scenario.

Your ideal scenario only has 79,000 votes?
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Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I'm not a Sephiroth fan either.... I'd love to see Cloud distance himself from him ala Crono/Mario.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Your ideal scenario only has 79,000 votes?

That would be so disappointing. 98,000 at least for this contest...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Assuming that Sephiroth's match gets 78,000 votes, which I think is being generous at this point, the round average goes from 90,129 votes to 88,108.

... Bastard. T_T

*sorry, I had a mistake before...*
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think it'll be a disappointment if we don't get a 100,000 vote match out of Cloud-Sephiroth. That's FFVII power at its finest.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Wow, back-to-back posts deleted due to bad math. How 'bout that?
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

And Sephiroth's FFVII power is netting him an "amazing" 76,000 - 78,000 (around there) match. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Not a particularly impressive performance by Sephiroth today. Barely doubling Auron, even WITH potential SFF?

Meh.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Oh, and Ceej must have been drunk when he made the pic for this match. This is, by far, the sloppiest one he's used yet, throughout all of the contests.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Well, last year...Cloud drew an average of 118,852 votes, and Sephiroth averaged 117,039. Not actually a bad disparity considering Cloud was involved in the match with the highest vote total in contest history by far.

Maybe the fact that Sephiroth is facing another FF character has something to do with it. His first round match with Sly Cooper drew more votes than his match with Vivi.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

I doubt there's any SFF involved in this match. Once again, Sephiroth is pretty much doing what's expected of him.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Maybe the fact that Sephiroth is facing another FF character has something to do with it. His first round match with Sly Cooper drew more votes than his match with Vivi.

Yet Cloud's match drew 89,290 votes. And Link's match with Ganondorf drew 87,395 votes. Why would Sephiroth's vote totals suffer that much when their vote totals do not seem to suffer much, if at all?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And thus I continue my grand tradition of being completely and totally ignored, even if I make a friggin' huge post.
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There's an old saying in Texas... fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. - Dubya

Oh and Sephiroth is doing slightly better than before; he was ahead of Magus vs. Luca Blight by 6,178 at 16:19:53. Hopefully he can somehow hit 80,000...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sephiroth also doesn't get any SFF either. He's just a contest oddity.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Does anyone else think that Auron's pic makes him look like he's from Pit Fighter???
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Either way, this pretty much ruins any chance Vivi had at a top 10 finish.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

At this moment vs. Vivi, Sephy already have 69.75%.

Right now he's at 67.43%.

Looks like Sephy will struggle to even break 68%.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I'm away all day, and Sephiroth barely gained. If he wants to beat Cloud, he'll need thousands of anti-champion voters, and although Sephiroth is the ideal candidate to collect them, he still needs a little to much... and being champion = extra bracket support anyway, though it's undebatably negligeable.

Off-topic, how do you get Mozilla to play MP3s in the window, like for a YTMND?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 076/084 - Matches: 49/53 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Yet Cloud's match drew 89,290 votes. And Link's match with Ganondorf drew 87,395 votes. Why would Sephiroth's vote totals suffer that much when their vote totals do not seem to suffer much, if at all?

FF7-hero vs FF8-hero...FF7 villian vs FFX sidekick

It makes sense to me when I say it like that, but in all honesty, there's still no excuse.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Heroic Mario, no. Sephiroth is awesome.
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"When there is no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth." - Peter, Dawn of the Dead
*is M410123*

Cloud is awesome; Sephiroth is not.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

FF7-hero vs FF8-hero...FF7 villian vs FFX sidekick

It makes sense to me when I say it like that, but in all honesty, there's still no excuse.

Yeah, it should still draw within 3,000 of that match, in my opinion...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Funny that Cloud will win "Midgar" but will lose the minute he leaves it. Samus Aran all the way. THAT is a kickass character.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Hilarious. =)

And Sephiroth/Auron was ahead of Magus/Luca by ~7700 as of 17:44. Looking better, but still mediocre.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Samus' run to the final four ends at Mr. Strife.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

if by ends, you mean picks up into a gallop, you are correct , yay : )
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

My ideal scenario:

Cloud: 48,271
Sephiroth: 48,272
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 80/84, Next Winner: Sephiroth

My idea scenario:

Vyse 49999
Vivi 50001

Gotta love the letter V!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Cloud: 50000
Samus: 50001
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Current score 71/84 :( Next match: Sephiroth

From: aya pe 001 | Posted: 9/24/2004 7:27:16 PM | Message Detail
dante the mna 1,000,000,000,000
that dum kriby 3

...he didn't really say that, but I would believe it. =)
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Samus' run to the final four ends at Mr. Strife.

Huh? If you were running to the final four, wouldn't the run end when you got there?

And as for my ideal scenario...I don't really like anyone in this division. Wow.

My ideal scenario:

Cloud 55000
Samus 55001
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1 vote difference seems to be popular.

I can only imagine the cheating accusations with a 1 vote difference between two opponents, though.

@_@
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Why discount Sephiroth so quickly? Sephiroth may not seem too impressive so far, but Cloud has proven NOTHING. He beat Squall, but there was obvious SFF in that. He beat Vyse with 81%, and even though that's the 2k3 extrapolated expectations, it's not like it PROVES that Cloud is stronger...Vyse MAY have been overinflated last year as DK has been suspected of having a high level of anti-votes. One could attribute Cloud's underperformance against Duke Nukem due to Duke's pity votes. There's no proof of that being the case, either.

As for Samus vs. Sam Fisher, hasn't anybody thought of the idea that Gordon Freeman could've increased, rather than that Fisher decreased? (I know I'm making Samus look better...) Half-Life did surprisingly well in the Game Contest, and Gordon rose from '02 to '03. That theory is much easier to buy than the former, as Sam already did well against Magus last year.

Here's a thought about Lara Croft: she appeared to increase from 2002 to 2003, correct? You realize that she had that new film out at the time? She might have gotten a tremendous boost from that in 2003, so maybe we shouldn't find her fall so strange.

Oh, and I'm willing to bet that Crono will outdo Mega Man against Link. :P Not only that, but I'll be laughing once Auron is (semi) proven to be stronger than Tidus this year, after Mega Man gets only 55% on Snake.

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Cloud: 60,000
Samus: 60,000

What? I like 'em both, and I don't really have a favorite here.
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I think Harrich's option would be awesome, but it would probably just be resolved by a three second extension, though if we had strict time limits, it would have been cool.
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Huh? If you were running to the final four, wouldn't the run end when you got there?

You know what I meant. <<
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Oh, and I'm willing to bet that Crono will outdo Mega Man against Link. :P Not only that, but I'll be laughing once Auron is (semi) proven to be stronger than Tidus this year, after Mega Man gets only 55% on Snake.

Crono will be getting 51% on Link? Hey, I'd love to see it happen. =)
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Oh, and I'm willing to bet that Crono will outdo Mega Man against Link. :P Not only that, but I'll be laughing once Auron is (semi) proven to be stronger than Tidus this year, after Mega Man gets only 55% on Snake.

Mega Man would have outdone Crono the past two years, and this year he looks like he's really ready to tear **** up. On top of that, it looks like Solid Snake dropped...so, don't count on Mega Man doin' 55% on Snake when he had 53.5% against him last year; trust me, Mega Man's gone up a decent bit to beat Tidus like he did, and Solid has gone down some due to his performance against Knuckles.

If I wasn't still paying for a sig-bet afew weeks ago, I'd sig-bet that Mega Man will get 5% more against Link than Crono will
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Also, I'm rooting for Crono throughout this contest until he would have to face Mega Man.

...yes, I realize that's a whole one match but I'm all for him making it close...
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*prays we're not getting into the Zero argument again*

It was bloody enough last time, folks.
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...were we about to turn it into a MM/Zero debate again?

Dear...God......................
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Here's a thought about Lara Croft: she appeared to increase from 2002 to 2003, correct? You realize that she had that new film out at the time?

You mean the film that did so badly that the makers of the movie blamed the makers of the Tomb Raider games for the commercial failure?
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Lara had virtually no increase between 2002 and 2003... but the biggest decrease of all time between 2003 and 2004 if Samus stayed the same. For no reason whatsoever, no less.
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You must realize that if Mega Man has gone up in popularity as much as everyone claims, that Zero would have been tied with or even BEATEN Mega Man.

We spent I don't know how many posts arguing this very same subject tossing around everything and came to no conclusion whatsoever. At the same time, there's no way your getting me to believe Tidus and Shadow dropped down to Yoshi all because Mega Man increasing seems "unbelievable".


He will very easily exceed 55% on Solid Snake, no doubt about that.
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I know she didn't really increase: I'm saying that without the movie would have decreased significantly from 2002 to 2003. (Oh, and even my DAD knew who Lara Croft was thanks to her movie. As far as I've heard, the movie wasn't THAT bad.)

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I fail to see how Mega Man going up would be reason enough to let Zero tie or beat Mega Man, especially without that rSFF you don't believe in. I must have missed something.

Regardless, Tidus would manhandle Yoshi close to 60-40.
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If Mega Man increased then it's not out of the question that Zero increased also. Shame that they had to face each other -- I could see Zero causing major damage in the Chaos division.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Am I the only one who thinks that Crono could very well end up in 4th place in this year's Xsts?
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I thought that Link, Cloud and Samus would have the top three spots at this point (not necessarily in that order...) and the fourth would be between Sephiroth, Mega Man, and Crono...
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I'm hoping for third personally. ^^

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Fourth place looks awfully high when two other competitors are already looking better. I do think he's going to do quite well on Link in a few days, but he'd have to get really close to Link and have Mega Man/Samus be complete duds in their matches for him to be that high.

Either way, he has a nice spot ahead of Mario so he's 6th at the very worst.
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Am I the only one who thinks that Crono could very well end up in 4th place in this year's Xsts?

If Crono turns more heads in his match with Link and Samus/Mega Man/Sephiroth disappoints, then it's possible. I think he could be lookin' at #5 if he's lucky.
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HM, I deleted that message about Mega Man vs. Zero, as I didn't want to start all those wars up again...

Oh, and I think Mega Man with 55% on Snake is actually too low. At least 57%, I'd bet, but I don't think 55% is completelyout of the question.

What would you all say if Crono got close to 45% against Link? (don't say "it won't happen" or the like if you're willing to reply to this question)

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I'd be pretty surprised, but not all that much since Frog's already numbed me from any surprises involving CT characters.
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Yeah, the fact that MC almost = Solid Snake doesn't make any sense at all. It could be attributed to Snake's weakness, though. I mean, he dropped nearly 4% on Knuckles, so perhaps he would've received at least 59% on Frog last year, factoring in CT's apparently increase, as well. Wow...Mega Man really is gonna own him this time.

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"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

The difference between Sephiroth vs. Auron and Magus vs. Luca Blight was 8,955 at 19:24:51. It looks like we might just barely hit 80,000...
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As far as I've heard, the movie wasn't THAT bad.)

There have been two right? I saw the most recent one, and no, I didn't think it was that bad at all, it was pretty good.

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Heh, I didn't even know there was more than one. Whatever, I was talking about the Summer 2003 movie.

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This is getting tedious listening to people on the board think that Samus has absolutely no chance to beat Cloud. At least wait until her match against Sora or maybe Sonic before making the claim that it is impossible. =/

Not as bad as listening to the Tidus vs. Shadow stuff though. Or people who acted like Knuckles defeating Kefka was somehow amazing.

>_<
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Mumei: But MM ONLY GOT 56% on ZERO OMG HE HAS T3H NO CHANCE NOW OMG
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Heh. ^_^;

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Wait a second...

Street Fighter 2 lost?!?





It'll be hard for me to imagine anything topping the whining that happened after and even during that match.
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About the petitions on SS about 'retiring' the champions, would it be possible to create a petition to ban those sorts of petitions? >_>
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What would you all say if Crono got close to 45% against Link? (don't say "it won't happen" or the like if you're willing to reply to this question)

I'd be incredibly happy. I'm pushing all I can for Crono to get as close to Link as possible now so it'd be something to see him get that high.

As far as other characters go, I can still see Mega Man definitely overdoing that percentage on Link; if he doesn't win I'd expect 48%+
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I think the best we can hope for with Crono is going 50/50 with Link with the night vote. He's the undisputed king of it.
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I'd begin to be a bit nervous about his chances of winning...
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I think the best we can hope for with Crono is going 50/50 with Link with the night vote. He's the undisputed king of it.

Crono himself or Chrono Trigger?
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Nah, I think it'd just be CT-FFVII all over again.

Oh, and the Atlanta Braves have just won their 13th straight division title. YES!
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Crono himself or Chrono Trigger?

Both. It's just a variation of the same thing.
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Mega Man 40,000
Solid Snake 40,001

Book it.
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Crono and Chrono Trigger both have been great at snatching the night vote. Crono, Frog, Magus...
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Well, not really as much for Frog, but...he's had tougher competition.
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Frog did well each time he had a match with the night vote. He didn't "dominate", but aside from Liquid Snake he took it quite nicely.
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aw heck YEAH.

as far as crono, i can see 6 or 5 being real nice for him.

although with all the variance, i can't see the X-stats as being too reliable.

sora's bouncing all over the place, alucard's dropping for no good reason, and 3-6 is going to get a massive shakedown.

magus in top 8? not this year.


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Oh, and the Atlanta Braves have just won their 13th straight division title. YES!

Umm... Yay?

Crono and Chrono Trigger both have been great at snatching the night vote. Crono, Frog, Magus...

Frog swept updates 21:00 through 00:00. =)

And Crono was getting around 57 - 60% of the vote during the night against Mario; Mario's votes just died off. =/





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Umm... Yay?

...What?
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I said I'd take Magus over Sonic earlier, but after seeing Frog against Solid Snake I'd go ahead and take Magus too.
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...What?

I don't watch, so I assumed the proper reaction to them winning was "Yay" or something like that.

>.>
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Well, it's generally not yay with a question mark.
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Well I wasn't sure. >_> <_<

Why are we talking about this anyway? O_o
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It's a contest down time with this predictable division.
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Here's a hypothetical matchup:

Magus vs Snake
Magus vs Sonic

Who would you take in each?
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Oh and I give you a thumbs up, Leonheart, on going after that Squall FAQ.
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After seeing Frog, I have to take Magus for both of them.
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If ignorance is bliss, then a lot of people are happy. That would also explain why I'm mad all the time.

Sonic and Snake. As strong as Magus is, he doesn't draw voters to the polls. Well, with these lower totals, it might not matter. Maybe he could beat Snake, but I still wouldn't take Magus to beat Sonic.
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Despite my prediction of the Braves winning it again (Cox pwnz the day vote... I mean, regular season), I'm still wishing the Phillies could have... not sucked.

I'm still unclear on Magus vs. those two. Obviously they'd be close, and against Sonic, a crazy night/day split...
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I'd also take Magus in both of them.
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I'd pick Magus over Snake if he had that pic
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Thanks much, HM.

...If only the Braves could figure out that postseason stuff, we'd be set.
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I've been playing the Twin Snakes lately. Man, that's a great game. I'm almost tempted to vote for Snake now...
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Yeah, the Braves totally collapse with the night vote (I mean, postseason).

Bracket comes out today, I put Magus over Snake and Sonic, only to keep up with the gurus and distance myself from the front-page casual bracketmaker.
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I'd prolly pick Magus over Snake, because of how terrible Snake is looking, but I don't know about Sonic just yet. Sonic may've underperformed against Ryu, but remember, SFAC could've given him a boost.
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Today's Pick: Sephiroth

And Sephiroth passes 50,000...
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I have to say that new Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater trailer from TGS was downright awesome.
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I don't understand. I've been preaching about how great Magus is for weeks, and only because of Frog's match with Snake do you guys think that Magus would have a chance at winning those matches? Funny, because I was mocked at every turn for suggesting the idea awhile ago.

And believe you me, I will happily be one to brag when/if Magus beats either Sonic or Snake, simply because I'd be the first one to believe it in the first place.
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Oh, one more thing. Sonic and Snake share a common opponent: Aeris. Kingdom Hearts Factor or not, Snake did better than Sonic did. I fail to see how Magus could beat Snake, but not Sonic, especially considering Sonic's gradual decline ever since his loss to Samus.
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Actually, it was Crono topping Mario that convinced me. I admitted the possibility, just not vocally, back when Magus first performed.
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Well, Frog isn't the ONLY reason. It's just the thing that makes me that sure that Magus could do it.
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If ignorance is bliss, then a lot of people are happy. That would also explain why I'm mad all the time.

and only because of Frog's match with Snake do you guys think that Magus would have a chance at winning those matches? Funny, because I was mocked at every turn for suggesting the idea awhile ago.

I knew Magus would've stood a chance at Snake long before the match, but it wasn't up until the Snake vs Frog match that I actually thought he could win and it wouldn't bother me at all to put him over Snake...

Now, Sonic is a different matter. I've always been one to say I'd take Magus over Sonic, Zero over Sonic, etc. simply because they were already so close to him that they could easily turn the tables and win on him.
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Well, I never did say that this topic made fun of me about it. We're a tightly knit group of friends in here (I think), at least in my eyes. I've only gotten in debates with idiots who don't post here regularly.
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I would be shocked if Crono got 45%... and have the "pleasure" of listening to Chichiri rub it in my face. ^_^;
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Heh. Trying to convince the board that Magus would beat Sonic is a different matter. I can see how people would call you crazy when talking to them. =p

...all in all though, you definitely aren't crazy in taking Magus over Sonic. I'd do it without worry.
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I'll be suprised if Crono gets less than 45% on Link; I'm expecting something like 47.3%, or thereabout.

I'm almost wishing I would have kept my original bracket... It had Crono > Link, Mega > Crono, and Cloud > Mega for the final. With my score and how many mirror brackets that I probably have in front of me, upsets would have been the way for me to win the contest. Oh well, I'll see how it turns out.
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Now what I said looks somewhat out of place. >_<

Bah.

Why do you expect ~47%?
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I'd love for Crono to actually win his match in the Elite 8 and move onto the final four. In fact, with one good remake or re-release of Chrono Trigger on a more updated system it wouldn't be surprising in the least to see Crono/Magus/Frog become major contenders for spots currently occupied by Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth.
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Heroic Mario is a bigger Crono fan than he is a Link fan?
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I'd love to see Crono pull it out, but based on his performances against Conker and Mario I don't think anything too far above 42% is possible for him. He just hasn't been as impressive as Mega/Tidus or Samus' matches.

And damn the Braves! If only the Phillies could figure out how to win after the All Star break and not completely collapse in August every year...
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Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Nah, I wouldn't be surprised if Crono did better than 42% on Link. Crono's fans may focus their attention on making Crono have a decent showing. It happened with Magus last year against Link and you can see where it got him in the rankings.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if Crono did better on Link than Mega Man. I don't think it will happen, but I can see more people who generally like Mega Man vote for Link over him than those who like Crono. Mega Man's pure strength in this contest likely still would keep him above Crono however...
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Maybe if they'd fire Larry Bowa, they'd be in better shape. However, their best shot at making the playoffs would be to relocate to a different division. Atlanta owns the NL East.
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With 13 straight titles, clearly they do. We suck against Atlanta, and we suck harder against Florida. I hate our division.
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I just think Link may be a little overrated this year. I think Crono beating Mario by the margin he did was mostly due to the new position of the poll and the new layout of GameFAQs driving away the casual vote. I think Crono benefitted from this more than Link did, and with Crono never making past Mario, I think his strength may be more than everyone expects. I could be very wrong, but I thought Crono/Mario, Frog/Snake, and Ryu/Sora would be about what they were.

*shrug*
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So the Phillies are kind of like the Knuckles of the baseball world, then?
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...So would that make the Atlanta Braves Solid Snake? So close, and yet so far. After this year, once Samus wins her division, Snake will become the only character to get to the Elite Eight every year but never reach the Final Four.
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On Link: he did overperform nicely on CATS. One match, and a match against CATS, is not the best way to judge a character, but I would not call him any weaker than last year.

Especially considering how he's taken advantage of SFF.

*points at Ganondorf still crying in a corner*

Sorry, Moltar...
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I just watched the trailer to MMX8 and that game is going to be the X game the series has awaited since way back on the SNES/PSX era.

Capcom is on a magnificent role lately with their amazing lineup.
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And he managed to be the first character to get three 80% blowouts in the first three rounds, though that probably says as much about the ease of his path as it does about his strength.
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Heroic Mario is a bigger Crono fan than he is a Link fan?

Crono is just too cool not to like.
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As long as you like Magus or Frog more than Crono.

Though it is hard to say no to Luminaire....

But Frog Flare + Dark Matter > Luminaire.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Really? I love CT, but Magus is much cooler than he is. And Frog is too. Frog Squash. XD

I do like Luminaire and the Rainbow Sword, though. But I've liked Link better since playing ALttP. I liked Crono better when I first played through CT, though.
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With all this talk about Vincent, I really wish we had a chance to see how he stacks up before the release of FFVII:DoC. A lot of people seem to think he'd rank above Aerith, but I don't buy it. I'd be very surprised if he did. After his game comes out, of course everything changes.
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Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sephiroth with 71.11%

My order of preference:

Frog > Crono > Magus.

http://img49.exs.cx/img49/8980/CT99.jpg

Frog always leads my team. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Snake will become the only character to get to the Elite Eight every year but never reach the Final Four

You forgot about Sonic. Unless they get matched up with each other, the only way Sonic or Snake make it to the final four is with unbalanced brackets such as 2k2 and a character like Scorpion sneaking in the Elite Eight.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Nobody picked Vincent in Vincent/Zero, and I didn't get many responses from Vincent's new position in my bracket, which has him going against Dante in the second round.

So who wins in Vincent/Dante next year (post AC, DMC3)?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I'll personally take Crono over anyone else in the Chrono Trigger staff in a second.

I'd put Snake over Magus, but for Magus vs Sonic I would have to look at the seedings. I wouldn't put Magus over a 1 or 2 seed Sonic, but anything less and I would definitely consider it.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

I hate that match. That's one incredibly tough one to pick simply because of how both will be getting something good within the coming year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Nothing beats a 75% critical hit rate, if only because Crono's critical hit animation is so cool.

I don't think Link has gotten any weaker this year... I just think the layout change may have taken some of the voters that would have taken Link > Crono away from the site. Heck, Link's SFF against Ganon has been the biggest suprise for me so far, just a little bit more of a suprise than Samus's preformance.
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

Blasphemy!

No classic blue background!

Though, if you're going for a Frog theme, I guess the green is understandable.

X~Strike!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Heh. You guessed it perfectly, I was going for all-Frog with the background and what not. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

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Crono in battle is just a beast as far as Chrono Trigger is concerned. He's fast, he's got a great magic spell (Luminaire), terrific physical damage, etc. The only major thing he lacks would be the ability to heal, but other than that I'd take him in battle over anyone from CT.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

A true Frog theme has Frog/Robo/Marle with someone using the Gold Rock =p

As for Vincent vs. Dante, I'd take Vincent, 57/43.
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

I don't think Link has gotten any weaker this year... I just think the layout change may have taken some of the voters that would have taken Link > Crono away from the site. Heck, Link's SFF against Ganon has been the biggest suprise for me so far, just a little bit more of a suprise than Samus's preformance.

If I used RPGuy96's X-St calculator correctly, Crono is currently expected to get 40.65% against Link, based on his match against Mario. That is an improvement over the 38.14% he was expected to get in 2003...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Speed is a useless stat in that game. You can have most of your characters with ** Speed on the first play.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Frog Flare is tied with Omega Flare as my favorite techs in CT. Generally, my party is Magus/Frog/Lucca towards the end of the game, switching Frog for Robo if I want lasers.

Of course, I've beaten that game so many times that I've tried just about every combination at some point.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Speed is a useless stat in that game. You can have most of your characters with ** Speed on the first play.

True enough. Getting ** speed isn't really a hard task at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Square has been stagnant on having variety in their games. I loved the other Square games such as Parasite Eve and Brave Fencer Musashi. I hope with this game and Musashi Samurai Legend on the horizon, Square will open back up it's arsenal for non-RPG games.

I couldn't agree more... Square really needs some more variety in their games. My favorite Square game from the last 5 years was Dewprism (aka Threads of Fate). The Final Fantasy formula is really getting stale to me, and it's not because of the story or characters, it's solely because of the gameplay. In FF VIII, X, and X-2 the battles have bored me to tears.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 80/84
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Sephiroth with 71.11%

Well, the easiest team is Crono/Ayla/Frog. All three have good physical offense, and 3D-Attack is a good triple tech. The real power from this team comes from giving Crono a Gold Stud and letting him Luminaire against multiple enemies and Confuse single enemies. Have Ayla and Frog Slurp-Kiss for full health and no status conditions for 1 MP each any turn you need healing, and attack or Bubble Hit when you don't.

A real power team is Robo/Magus/Lucca, Magus and Lucca with studs, Robo with the Blue Rock. Shock, Flare, and Dark Matter are all deadly, Omega Flare owns everything, and Heal Beam is plenty to hold down your healing. The only problem is Robo can't Shock every turn without a Gold Stud, so if you feel like sacrifing Omega Flare (honestly, the techs do more seperate than together, but use less MP together), stick a stud on him too.

What is Mega Man expected to get on Link using last year and this year's numbers, with WDF and no WDF?
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

Snake will become the only character to get to the Elite Eight every year but never reach the Final Four

You forgot about Sonic.

Sonic didn't reach the Elite Eight in 2002. He was knocked out in the Sweet Sixteen by Samus.
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Eh, if it's one thing I don't use it's triple-techs. For the most part you can cause far more damage through a use of Luminaire, Dark Matter, and Water 2/Physical (using my party of Frog, Crono, and Magus). Sure, considering the game's enemies you don't really need to worry about causing the maximum damage possible, but aside from the excellent fireworks the triple-techs are pretty useless from a damage perspective. Nothing against them though, because I love seeing this one gigantic spell take out an Imp... yes I said and Imp... it's mean I know.

As for Mega Man, are you talking about this year's Mega Man against Link or like a 2003/2002 Mega Man?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Yeah, I know Trips are useless for the most part, but they do look cool. And Frog Flare plus low HP Frog does an awful lot of damage to Lavos.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Omega Flare just looks too cool to pass up though >_>

Frog isn't very useful in a Crono/Frog/Magus party... but honestly, unless you try to keep your levels though or don't know what you're doing, CT is enough enough to beat the game with any party.

About Mega, what's he expected to get last year and the range so far this year, assuming Link stayed constant?
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

As for Vincent vs. Dante, I'd take Vincent, 57/43.

no WAY he's that strong upon entering. That'd make him stronger than Ryu(SF), and almost as strong as Sonic. No way.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Btw, what's WDF?

I've seen it mentioned a few times but I never saw anyone writing down the abreviations.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

About Mega, what's he expected to get last year and the range so far this year, assuming Link stayed constant?

Last year is 38.60%

This year range is from 38.60%<floor> to ~48%<ceiling>.

I honestly can't see him exceeding 43%, but others would disagree.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I hate to admit it, but Frog isn't very useful in combat... ;_; It makes me sad, but I always have him leading my group whenever I play. He's just so easy to get attached too through his joyful little behavior, heh. And yeah, CT is easy enough to beat it with anyone.


As for Mega Man and Link, here's what it breaks down too:

2002 Link would get 57.09% against a 2002 Mega Man.
2003 Link would get 61.40% against a 2003 Mega Man.

Note: The sudden increase for Link comes from the oddity of Mega Man dropping between 2002 and 2003.

2004 Link (assuming he's the same, or not much different from 2002/2003) would get 51.38% against a 2004 Mega Man.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

This year range is from 38.60%<floor> to ~48%<ceiling>.

If Capcom characters have proved something it's that they have no projected ceiling. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Btw, what's WDF?

The West Division Factor. It's the assumption, and something that is just completely stupid, that Sephiroth overperformed against Link in a last ditch effort to stop an all-Nintendo final four from happening. From that it raised everyone's value from the West Division (Samus, Sonic, Mega Man, etc.)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

We should be able to judge Link's strength more accurately next round. If Crono manages much higher than 42%, I'd say there's a good chance Link went down. If Crono can only get 38% or under, I'd say there's a good chance Link went up.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

If Capcom characters have proved something it's that they have no projected ceiling. ;)

Look, I'm just giving the guy a reasonable range, alright?

If you don't like it, then stick it.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

The smiley face at the end should have given away I was in more of a messing around kind of mood. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

As for Vincent vs. Dante, I'd take Vincent, 57/43.

>>no WAY he's that strong upon entering. That'd make him stronger than Ryu(SF), and almost as strong as Sonic. No way.

True... still, Vincent is from FFVII, and with his own game, I wouldn't be suprised at all to see him get 55% on Dante. Without his own game, I'd still take Vincent, but I think it would be much closer.
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

The smiley face at the end should have given away I was in more of a messing around kind of mood.

Yes, I'm aware of that.

But I don't always appreciate people messing around with me, especially at this hour.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

The explanation may suck for WDF, but the data backs it up. Out of the returning West Division characters, 5 fell significantly (Sonic, Samus, Mega Man, Ken, Ryu), 2 that did have reasons to go up did (Sephiroth, Tidus), and 2 that did not have reasons to go up did (CATS and Crash). And actually, CATS and Crash both underperformed this year. Interesting.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

57% on Dante post-DMC3? That'd be quite a feat.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I'd pick Dante in a 53/47 match. Of course, I also asked the question.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

47% is a bit high, putting it into perspective... hoping for 45% is good enough for me, I suppose ^^

I'll wait and let Mega Man get up into the high fourties.
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

The West Division Factor. It's the assumption, and something that is just completely stupid, that Sephiroth overperformed against Link in a last ditch effort to stop an all-Nintendo final four from happening. From that it raised everyone's value from the West Division (Samus, Sonic, Mega Man, etc.)

Sounds right to me. My opinion of the WDF is this...it's completely idiotic to believe it, or you're a hypocrite. Why? I have not heard ONE person mention that Mega Man could have recieved some WDF in his favor last year, because Mega Man was everybody's last hope if they wanted to prevent not just an all-Square final, but an all-FF7 final. If people do not believe that there was a WDF-effect in Sephiroth/Mega Man in 2k3, then people are just looking for excuses if they blame something on the WDF of Link/Sephiroth in 2k2.
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We should be able to judge Link's strength more accurately next round. If Crono manages much higher than 42%, I'd say there's a good chance Link went down. If Crono can only get 38% or under, I'd say there's a good chance Link went up.

Then I'm hoping for Link to keep him below 40%. >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just can't understand why some people can adamantly take a stand either way on Vincent vs. Dante without ever seeing how Vincent would perform in a popularity contest.

And the fact that both chars will have something significant to change their popularity by next year makes taking a stand either way seem even more ridiculous.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Because we're speculating. It's kinda what we do.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Couldn't Crono have just increased as opposed to Link decreasing?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well, Crono's match against Conker pretty much pegged his percentage against Mario within half a percent.
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If Vincent's game sucks and DMC3 is the revival of the series Capcom is promising it will be, I'd lean toward Dante. Heck, even if Vincent's game was mediocre and DMC3 was awesome, I might choose Dante. If both games are receieved similarly, I think the match goes to Vincent.
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

Couldn't Crono have just increased as opposed to Link decreasing?

Yes. But I'd rather be on the safe side...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That's why I stuck it at 42%, not Crono's expected ~40.5%, and said there was a good chance, not a definite possibility.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Vincent/Dante screws me over when I try to predict the percentages. At first I thought Vincent would win with about 44%, but then that'd mean Ryu could get 48%-49% on Vincent, and that just doesn't sound right to me (I say this as neither a fan of Ryu nor Vincent). So then I want to change it to 59-41...but I get to thinkin', and that would make him more powerful than Aeris. That's something that's been argued, and I still stand by Aeris > Vincent, so that's not right either.

It really confuses me, so I'll have to wait and see how well-recieved his game becomes. I have no doubt that Vincent would win, whatever the percentage.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

It wouldn't surprise me to see Dante equal Aeris' 2003 value after DMC3 next year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Couldn't Crono have just increased as opposed to Link decreasing?

While it's certainly possible, I don't think Crono has any reason to increase.

He's on old cult favorite, a fossil compared to most of the chars in this contest.

I certainly couldn't see how he could gain new fans without any recent appearance.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

It seems like Crono did increase, though; he overperformed a bit on Conker and that match predicted his match with Mario with a lot of accuracy...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, there's the fact that there are still many people who have never played Chrono Trigger. Crono has a great opportunity to continue to increase as long as awareness for his game (and its availability, which is the tough part) stays out there due to his continued success.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

CT's performance in the Spring Contest? Loss of voters that didn't like Crono that much? There are reasons.
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I was thinking along the lines of the previously mentioned, "more people see Chrono Trigger do well and then go to play it". Although when I checked how he was suppose to do against Conker in 2003 and then this year the difference is very small with 1.78% "overperformance".

Like I mentioned earlier though, a remake of CT for any new console/handheld could have Crono/Magus/Frog shooting up into very high rankings.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

... I could see them near the top, especially Crono. Of course, then we'd hear more "omg square always winz!1"

=/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, I do suppose 1.78% of an increase is certainly something to look at in comparison to something like less than 1 percent. (assuming Conker didn't decrease)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well, as I said, it's hard to actually FIND a copy of Chrono Trigger, even if you want to play it.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

It's not all that difficult to...acquire Chrono Trigger.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Like I mentioned earlier though, a remake of CT for any new console/handheld could have Crono/Magus/Frog shooting up into very high rankings.

That I agree, if he can maintain such a huge fanbase all the way from the SNES era without any recent appearance, a remake will have him shooting through the roof.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

The best thing one could do to play CT would be through emulation. That's pretty much the only way you'll find a copy at an inexpensive price. Luckily for me, I have my SNES copy still working. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well, as I said, it's hard to actually FIND a copy of Chrono Trigger, even if you want to play it.

There are always ROMs, if you don't feel bad about that.

Or you can buy it off your 12 year old cousin for 10 bucks.

.... What? =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If Vincent's game sucks and DMC3 is the revival of the series Capcom is promising it will be, I'd lean toward Dante. Heck, even if Vincent's game was mediocre and DMC3 was awesome, I might choose Dante. If both games are receieved similarly, I think the match goes to Vincent.

The only scenario I EVER see Vincent beating Dante is if DoC is absolutely fantastic and all us FF 7 fans break down crying from it's sheer brilliance, and DMC 3 is putrid(both are highly doubtful). When someone can't even get in to this contest over AERIS... you'll have a hard time convincing me that they can bring down Dante.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Not everybody has the option of emulation, and not everyone has the option of paying big money to acquire it off of eBay either.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Well, as I said, it's hard to actually FIND a copy of Chrono Trigger, even if you want to play it.

Because when most people want to play an old SNES game they don't have, the first thing they think to do is go look for a copy somewhere.
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SC2k4: 81/84 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

Leonhart brought up an interesting match in HM's Dante topic.

Who wins in Aya Brea/Lara Croft?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Like I mentioned earlier though, a remake of CT for any new console/handheld could have Crono/Magus/Frog shooting up into very high rankings.

Agreed; if there could be some possible way to get a fairly quick-and-easy straight port prepared for a DS launch, it would do wonders for both game sales and DS sales. It'd be possible to have Crono become championship material and solidify a spot for Magus or Frog (or both?) in the Noble Nine/Super Seven/Top Ten/what have you.

I wouldn't buy it, and I'm not the biggest fan of it even, but DAMN I wish Square would do that.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Who wins in Aya Brea/Lara Croft?

Lara Croft without worry.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

And apparently not everyone can rip off their younger cousin(s).

Well what about Final Fantasy Chronicles? It isn't as good as the SNES version (damned menu loading times...), but it is still fun.

HM, do you know how many copies Final Fantasy Chronicles sold?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I believe Aya's performance against Donkey Kong was legit, and that she could do it again. Lara isn't all that close to DK, and she's obviously dropped some this year.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

The FFC/CT amine stuff is cool. Not as cool as, say, CTR, but cool nonetheless.

But the loading! Oh, god, the loading!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

It's not all that difficult to...acquire Chrono Trigger.

That's assuming you even have a working SNES.

There are always ROMs, if you don't feel bad about that.

I don't feel bad emulating something I can no longer buy, but I'm not risking my comp by downloading ROMs online.

Or you can buy it off your 12 year old cousin for 10 bucks.

If it's as good as you claim it is, I doubt I can get it off a 12 year old.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Final Fantasy Chronicles sold some 261,000 copies in North America.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I was talking about the ROM. There's plenty of emulation sites out there.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I think 2k3 would have been the only year Lara would have beat Aya. Movies would have made the difference there, which is really kind of sad in a video game character contest.

*stares intensely at FF:AC*
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Heh, Final Fantasy Chronicles is what introduced me to Chrono Trigger. The loading times don't really bother me. The cool anime cutscenes make up for it.
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Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

But the loading! Oh, god, the loading!

*tries to switch menu screens*
*drums fingers*
*continues waiting*
*... still waiting*
*starts cursing*
*shuts it off and plays SNES version*

...I wanted to watch the anime clips, but I was spoiled by the loading times of the SNES version, and I frequently go into the menu. Drives me nuts waiting for it. >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I totally agree with that, Harrich. I'm dying for Square to remake Chrono Trigger for one of the updated consoles or even the Nintendo DS/Sony PSP. Contest purposes aside, I have to see an updated version of it sometime. For the contest, three out of your top say 10 would house Crono, Magus, and Frog as well. Not even FF7 can manage three elites, heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I can't stand loading times in SNES ports. Square just got lazy. Thankfully, they aren't present in FFO.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Well, after Advent Children AND Dirge of Cerberus, FFVII could manage as many as FOUR elite caliber characters.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Square's RPG ports to the PS1 are some of the worst ports ever done. Ever. Play the SNES versions. FF Origins is the sole exception to that rule, though it's a remake and not a port.

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I am Lucid Faia's alternate account.
Official World Record Holder: Mega Man X (100%), Solstice, Super Mario World

Oh... my... the loading times in FFC were downright horrendous. I could not stand having to wait for the menu to load up everytime I needed to make some adjustment/check something. The great thing about it though, like Leonheart mentioned, was the awesome anime cutscenes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

If it's as good as you claim it is, I doubt I can get it off a 12 year old.

Well he is 15 now. He doesn't like RPGs, but his neighbor (an older lady) had a son who had a bunch of good SNES games... He doesn't like RPGs and eventually I just got everything from him, because my younger brother sold my SNES and everything with it... Little ****.

Final Fantasy Chronicles sold some 261,000 copies in North America.

So not really enough to count as a release in the 32-bit generation...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, after Advent Children AND Dirge of Cerberus, FFVII could manage as many as FOUR elite caliber characters.

Ummm...Lucca? Marle? Schala? Dalton!

Dalton will be a Noble Nine member!

Scratch that, Dalton Plus will make Noble Nine in 2k5.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Well, after Advent Children AND Dirge of Cerberus, FFVII could manage as many as FOUR elite caliber characters.

Very true. Wouldn't it be something to have 7 out of 10 characters from Square? O_o
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well, I never had the opportunity to play CT on the SNES. Maybe that's why I don't mind the loading times. I haven't been spoiled by the lack thereof.
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Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Well, after Advent Children AND Dirge of Cerberus, FFVII could manage as many as FOUR elite caliber characters.

That's Cloud, Sephy, Vincent, and... who else?

The rest of the cast will play minor roles...

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

...What's so great about Dalton? I never understood that.
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Very true. Wouldn't it be something to have 7 out of 10 characters from Square? O_o

Rather boring, actually.
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SSBM has both FF7 and CT beat in elite characters in the Noble Nine. =)
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Aeris is near elite as is, and she's guaranteed to make an appearance. Every little bit helps.
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That's true as well. 7/10 characters from Square just isn't fun... at all. How about a day when you have 10 characters you can pick to win the contest and it wouldn't be considered a "massive upset"? Link, Cloud, Sephiroth, Crono, Vincent, Samus, Mega Man, etc.
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He makes the Epoch kick ass. The BlackBird is cool, too.

Plus, he fries random villagers, and gets completely pwned by Magus, has moronic guards, a laugh, and a cape.
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Sounds like your basic 2-bit villain. That's all Dalton is to me.
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Dalton is the 2 bit villain plus comic relief, because he's an idiot. Dalton rocks.
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Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Dalton? Please. Alfador would not only be elite material, but he would win the contest. It's in his contract as part of being the Entity, you know.
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If about the first 5 of those were really close together and were varied (for example: 1 Nintendo, 2 Square, and the other two Capcom and something else) then that would be cool.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/24/news_6108651.html

Something about FF7. To as wide an audience as possible? O_O
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Vincent will not be CLOSE to the noble nine, even after both of those. I just don't see it happening.
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Meh, I'd rather have a villain who actually DOES something other than be an incompetent moron. That's part of the reason I hate Ultros so much, and everyone acts like I've committed treason everytime I say that.
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Magus/Alfador would result in the most severe case of SFF ever. It would make Ganondorf feel good about himself again.

Scratch that, Magus/Young Janus would have the worst SFF. Besides "The black wind howls...One among you...will shortly perish!" he's got nothing on his older self.
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Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Square Enix's trying hard to let FF7 appeal to nearly everyone. Games, movies, and cellphones. Cloud is even advertising cellphone's for crying out loud.
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That's part of the reason I hate Ultros so much, and everyone acts like I've committed treason everytime I say that.

I call treason upon thee! Seafood soup!
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Vincent isn't championship material, no matter how you look at it. Plus, if he was, you said it'd be quite a feat to see Vincent get 57% on Dante next year...so Dante would have to be a legit #3 or #4 in next year's contest. Dante's been a #4-seed every year, but he should really be a #5 or #6.
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I think it'd be a while before Vincent was able to capture a championship too.
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Vincent would never do it because I don't think he could beat Cloud or Sephiroth.
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Ultros CRASHED AN OPERA. That alone puts him over 90% of the villains in the world of video games.

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Square Enix's trying hard to let FF7 appeal to nearly everyone. Games, movies, and cellphones. Cloud is even advertising cellphone's for crying out loud.

Have they said for sure whether AC will be theatre or direct-to-DVD? Because I think that could affect how that affects that contest; a direct to DVD approach would probably mostly attract FFVII fans, or at least have less of a chance of getting new people than a theatrical release... right?

O_o
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...And Ultros failed miserably trying to do it. Ugh, he's absolutely worthless.
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If you like tentacle rape hentai, you like Ultros. Period. >=)

... And even if you don't like it (never seen it, myself), you still like Ultros. =P
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I think it'd be damn near impossible for Vincent to get 57 on Dante, let alone beat him.
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They've debated for a while on whether or not it'll be a direct-to-DVD type of deal or if they'll go for a theatrical release. It is confirmed that they will be releasing this in Japan this year (2004) and in America around February 2005. We should know soon on which it'll be; even with a DVD they'll plan on advertising through commercials, posters, etc.
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Were you and I not playing the same game? Ultros did quite a good job of ruining that opera.

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I'm sure they'd have an advertising campain... The thing is how much it would appeal to non-FF or FF7 fans.
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I'm sure they'd have an advertising campain... The thing is how much it would appeal to non-FF or FF7 fans.

None. Seriously.

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I'd imagine through their ways of advertising that it could certainly show appeal to those who aren't necessarily the biggest FF7 fans on the planet. If they did decide on releasing in theatres I could definitely see it being the success that FF:TSW was not.
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Eh, I don't think AC will appeal that much to the non FF fan, but I do think it could boost Cloud and Seph a little bit. If we're talking Zelda XI Link and Echoes Samus, maybe not enough to hang with them.
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No, he didn't. Ultros failed at ruining the opera. It ended up being even better due to his incompetence.
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I'm so wanting to put MMX8 Mega Man too. That game will just be that good.
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Take a guess at how a post AC Cloud vs. post Zelda 10 Link match would go...
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If they advertised it as an action movie I'm sure it could get a some teenagers like my younger brother...

But then he'd hate it because he is one of those people who never watches a movie for the story; just for the explosions, fights, etc.

By the way, has anyone else watched Silence of the Lambs recently? I just bought it... That movie kicks so much ass. Lector > all. =)


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I just watched Silence of the Lambs for the first time tonight. Weird...
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But then he'd hate it because he is one of those people who never watches a movie for the story; just for the explosions, fights, etc.

He'd be satisfied on the fighting level. =p
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Heh. I'd seen it before, but I love Hopkin's Hannibal. =)
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No, Ultros succeeded in crashing the opera. It was the improv work of Locke and the Impresario that saved it.

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Yeah, so he failed. The show went on.
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Ulti, if you're still around, I think it's about time for you to start a new topic.

This one has reached page 24 already.

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And to bed I go!

Ultros and Dalton forever!
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A post-AC vs a post-Zelda XI would result in me siding with Cloud. I don't think either would be that far ahead of the other...
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He made part 70 earlier tonight.
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Take a guess at how a post AC Cloud vs. post Zelda 10 Link match would go...

Assuming AC is a success:

If Zelda X is a sort of "second coming of OoT" in terms of hype, sales and popularity, then Link for certain. If it is Wind Waker-ish in terms of popularity and sales, then probably Cloud. Anything in between would probably be a toss-up, I think...
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The success of a sequel is irrelevant. The only thing that matters is that one is made.
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Locke: Neither Draco nor Ralse shall save Celes! I, Locke, the world's premier adventurer, shall save her!
Impresario: ...Aya. What awful acting!
Ultros: Silence! You are in the presence of octopus royalty! A lowborn thug like you could never defeat me!
Impresario: ...Might as well make the most of this... MUSIC!

*"Grand Finale* plays*

*Battle with Ultros begins*

Best. FF Moment. Ever.

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He made part 70 earlier tonight.

Oh, ok, I must have missed it.

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It'd be so hard to tell I think. Ceej will have to retire these two if he wants future contests(after 2k5) to have different winners at all.
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Yeah, so he failed. The show went on.

Not if you lost the battle, it didn't. The impresario has a special message for you commenting on how horrible the show was if you lose to Ultros.

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Ha, lose to Ultros?! That would be pathetic.
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It's easier than you think, especially if you don't know what you're doing. Ultros is actually a hard boss in his first two forms until you know what to do against him.

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Eh, I never had a problem handling Ultros, even on my first playthrough.
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SILENCE, INFIDEL

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Were you overleveled? Normally, he isn't the easiest boss at that point. Not hard, but you can't just do it competely mindlessly...
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This is reminding me of people who said that FF3/6j was too easy. Then I found out they used Vanish/Doom. *sigh*

Anyways, you were probably just lucky, or had the help of a guide. Seriously, most people have a lot of trouble with Ultros.

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Actually, I'm usually underleveled. Still, Ultros wasn't that hard. Never used the Vanish/Doom trick though. That's just too cheap.
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In any case, Ultros DID succeed in crashing that opera. We assume they saved face a bit with their "awful acting," but KOing the two male leads and having the female lead being kidnapped sounds like a ruined opera to me.

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It doesn't matter whether Ultros actually succeeded. He let you win even if you did defeat him because Ultros is so badass that he doesn't even care if you "beat" him.

=)
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Nah, that's just a good twist. Every opera needs one of those every once in a while.
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Yeah, but most twists are planned.

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Name one other boss who becomes a receptionist. Ultros is just cool like that.
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We're going to get this to 500 by arguing about Ultros. >_<

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Eh, it's best to throw in a little unexpected surprise every one in a while. Locke took it and ran with it. That's why he's my hero.
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The other topic is already up. =)

And Ultros is a worthy subject. Just like Lecter. Because Lecter is cool. =)
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If we're going to finish this topic talking about a FFVI character, it should be a worthy one such as Locke.

I was looking at that wallpaper you posted a couple of topics ago with that guy's favorite characters on them. Seeing that picture of Locke with the Phoenix made me want to go play FFVI so badly. I love that part.
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Am I the only one who doesn't particularly like Ultros? He's a bad character, and I find all of his battles to be a joke. Spam Blitz, Fire Dance, Fire 2.... whatever. He is such a moron.
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Shows how boring a period we're in. Topics never stay up this long after hitting 490.
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(Spoilers)

The West falls to the East in a war. Prince Ralse of the East takes the hand of Maria of the West, but she never stops yearning for Draco, Hero of the West.

During a wedding dance, the party is invaded by the survivors of the West. Draco and Ralse have a duel... And then a purple octopus and some other people fall from the ceiling, crash on top of Draco and Ralse, knocking them unconscious.

Locke then announces that HE will save "Maria," and Ultros promptly shuts him down. Then the impresario calls for music and they fight, as Setzer, the wandering gambler, descends and kidnaps Celes (Maria), and takes her to his airship, and your party runs after her.

THAT IS HOW YOU CRASH AN OPERA.

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500?
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Guess it's not moving that fast
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Am I the only one who doesn't particularly like Ultros? He's a bad character, and I find all of his battles to be a joke. Spam Blitz, Fire Dance, Fire 2.... whatever. He is such a moron.

That's what I've spent the last page of this topic saying.
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These topics .. are unbelievable.

Too many of them. Most, if not all, make it to 500.

Secret formula = Ulti's hott bod.

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If I wanted to crash an opera, I would use a lot more competence. Sniper rifle from the rafters all the way, probably at the cutest girl in the cast. Screw the runaround planning and such.
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