Just in time =)

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

***Miscellaneous***

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Nice.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I literally just walked in the door, too. Sucks to be tnote, but meh, who cares.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Just in time. *Tags*
---
For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

You should have just let me know... I would have closed it sooner so you wouldn't have to have the silly period at the end.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Was the period necessary this time? I just did a search and there isn't a non-period'ed part 68.
---
For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

Ahh! The period of death returns!

I'm clean, I'm clean!

Er...Go Snake!
---
Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

Oh, it's cool. I would have just let the other topic say up, but it had all of one post and I was available. It's nothing personal, I assure you.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I don't feel so stupid that I was arguing that Frog might upset Snake pre-contest now.
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

I don't feel stupid in thinking that Magus could beat Solid Snake or Sonic the Hedgehog, either.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Eh? I didn't even see tnote had made a Part 68.

Oh, and go Frog, wow you're doing much better than the 40% I expected, and all that jazz.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Oh I never would've felt stupid about the Ulti. I'm still confident Magus could.
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

I'd take Magus over Snake without thinking.
---
BtT: 3:52.93 | HRC: 51,246.1 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Meant I've always been confident Magus could.
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

..and I would take Frog over Magus now without thinking. God CJayC needs to give me this match.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Well moving on, tomorrow's match will have some SFF, so I guess we won't be seeing Cloud's power really.
---
Current SC2K4 Score: 73/76
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Ahem, I still think Magus would have a real hard time with Solid Snake/Sonic...2k3. This year, it very well could have happened to Solid, but I don't think it could happen next year when MGS3 drops. Sonic, it's questionable...I'd pick Sonic, but it'd be like either Mario/Crono (notice I didn't say Crono/Mario).
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I REALLY doubt Magus could beat Snake or Sonic.

But after today's match, I just don't know....
---
Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

We probably won't see Cloud's power, or Seph's power, and we'll have to rely on Dante to get Auron's 4 pack sorted out. Weird.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Tnote... Magus would take Frog, and that isn't reverse SFF because Frog isnt the main hero. Strength has always gone Hero>Villian>Sidekick.
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

But what everyone fails to realize is that Magus is the villain to Frog. Crono is the hero, but Lavos is his villain. I believe a Magus/Frog match-up would need this unproven SFF for Magus to win, and since it is just that, unproven, Frog would take it.

Glen's the man
winning the match
beat the clown with the sickle...
hoping one day that he will become Noble Nine material!
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

5 South 1 Mario 38.18% 36.95% 2 1 4 4 0
17 East 5 Bowser 30.97% 29.97% 5 0 3 2 1
30 North 3 Luigi 25.24% 24.43% 8 5 2 2 0

1 East 1 Cloud Strife 51.67% 50.00% 1 0 6 6 0
3 South 2 Sephiroth 49.71% 48.11% 1 -1 6 5 1
15 East 11 Aeris Gainsborough 32.81% 31.75% 4 -7 3 3 0

2 North 1 Link 50.00% 48.39% 1 0 5 6 -1
11 North 12 Ganondorf 34.72% 33.60% 4 -8 2 3 -1
19 West 10 Zelda 30.29% 29.32% 4 -6 2 2 0

10 East 2 Sonic the Hedgehog 34.92% 33.79% 2 0 4 3 1
12 South 9 Shadow the Hedgehog 34.28% 33.18% 4 -5 2 3 -1
41 East 9 Miles 'Tails' Prower 20.41% 19.76% 13 4 1 1 0

See Tnote.... Hero>Villian>Sidekick
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

It doesn't matter 'whose villian' you are. Magus is still the Villian, Frog is still the sidekick. SFF in Magus' favor.
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

You might as well add Solid/Liquid/Raiden to that list.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

...and in all of those scenarios, none of the sidekicks could come close to slapping up 48%+ on Solid Snake. Additionally, in none of those scenarios is the sidekick's sole purpose for living to destroy the villain. All of the scenarios you showed, actually, have the hero's main purpose being to defeat the villain.

Needless to say, we are at a standstill. Neither of us will ever agree with the other, which is why CJayC needs to make this match happen.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

I think tnote brings up an interesting point, although I disagree. It's certainly not wrong right now though, so we need Magus/Frog next year.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Using Snake [Knuckles] and crediting the entire performance today to Frog/MC/LS being strong and not Snake falling, the best Frog could hope for against Magus without any SFF is 45% even. And that's his best case scenario. I don't think he'd get 5% reverse SFF to get him equal to Magus.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Don't the evil people usually get the bonus in SFF?
---
Oh I guarantee Sonic will win, if Samus wins, I will close my account. -Funny McScryb

For those keeping tabs, Frog just won his sixth update.

Sucks to be Mario.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Who would you pick in the following matches?
(Slowflake, avert your eyes if you don't want to see some of my 2nd round matches)

Zero/Vincent
Ganondorf/Frog
Shadow/Vivi
Ryu/Squall
Tidus/Master Chief
Magus/Auron

Opinions, anyone?
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I think the picture could help Squall tomorrow as far as recognizability is concerned. After all, he goes by a different name in Kingdom Hearts, even if Yuffie does call him "Squall" a time or two. With that character design, he's unmistakable to anyone who's solely played Kingdom Hearts.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Zero/Vincent
Ganondorf/Frog
Shadow/Vivi
Ryu/Squall
Tidus/Master Chief
Magus/Auron

Zero
Ganondorf
Shadow
Squall
Tidus
Auron
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Zero
Ganondorf
Shadow
Ryu
Tidus
Magus
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

But what about Bat-Cloud? K, so he looks a bit LRRH-Sora-ish, but it's still Bat-Cloud...

(Don't worry RPGuy, I didn't see anything.)
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

This is both hilarious and sad. I've been preaching about the Noble Nine being BS for weeks now, and how Magus could beat both Sonic and Snake, and get trolled by anyone who managed to see the posts.

Funny how everyone changes their minds after one match. You people can be so fickle sometimes. Why change your mind after every match? Thinking Mega Man could beat Link is insane, but I at least respect Heroic Mario for standing by his beliefs from the beginning. I just wish I could say the same about the people who change their minds with each passing match.

*Snake scores 94% on Tanner*

OMG SNAKE CAN BEAT MEGA MAN!!

*Knuckles breaks 40% on Snake*

WTF DOODZ SNAKE MIGHT NOT BEAT MEGA MAN NOW!!

*Frog breaks 48% on Snake*

LIEK OMG SNAKE HAS NO CHANCE AND MAGUS MIGHT EVEN HAVE A CHANCE TO BEAT HIM ULTI WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!11!1111++++++2#1!!

Hate me all you want, but at least I stick by my beliefs from the beginning until proven wrong.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Zero/Vincent
Ganondorf/Frog
Shadow/Vivi
Ryu/Squall
Tidus/Master Chief
Magus/Auron


Zero
Ganon
Shadow
Ryu
Master Chief
Auron
---
I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Ulti.... I take offense to that. Every time I did post on that matter I agreed with you. Be it that I don't post very often but you shouldn't generalize everyone like that.
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Zero/Vincent - Zero, both before and after DoC.
Ganondorf/Frog - Frog, pending G-Dawg's role in Zelda X.
Shadow/Vivi - Shadow.
Ryu/Squall - Ryu, pending Squall's role in KH 2.
Tidus/Master Chief - Tidus before Halo 2, MC after Halo 2.
Magus/Auron - Magus before KH 2, Auron after.
---
Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

Is it just me, or is Frog actually cutting into Snake's lead? It's miniscule at best, but if this keeps up, Snake may not win by 2000.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

And I'd be happy about that.... wish my topics from like 2 monthes ago weren't purged so I could bump my arguing for Frog heh
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

But what about Bat-Cloud? K, so he looks a bit LRRH-Sora-ish, but it's still Bat-Cloud...

Cloud is unmistakeable to anyone who's ever seen him before with the spiky blonde hair and the humongous sword, whether it's FFVII or Kingdom Hearts. Plus, he actually goes by Cloud in KH.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I answered all of those assuming it was next years contest.
---
I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Whoa, it's true, Frog's COMING BACK!!! Won his second update in a row and his seventh so far!
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Yes, Frog is cutting into the lead right now. Not by very much, but he's clipping off votes here and there.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Is it just me, or is Frog actually cutting into Snake's lead? It's miniscule at best, but if this keeps up, Snake may not win by 2000.

Nah, it's been hovering between 2700-2750 for a while now. I hope it picks up and Frog does lose by less than 2000, though.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

..and I would take Frog over Magus now without thinking.

I’m not sure if there’s any printable expression to show just how hard I’m laughing right now.

Zero
Ganondorf
Shadow
Squall
Tidus
Magus...though KH2 could well change that. However, I suspect that KH2 won't give Auron too much of a boost. KH introduced new gamers to older characters like Squall and Cloud, but I can't imagine many people would be playing KH2 who wouldn't have played Final Fantasy X.
---
***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 68/72, Next Winner: Mega Man

I’m not sure if there’s any printable expression to show just how hard I’m laughing right now.

Does "X MOTHER ****ING PROSTITUTED BLOW JOB D" express it or is that not enough?
---
I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Does "X MOTHER ****ING PROSTITUTED BLOW JOB D" express it or is that not enough?

...uh...sure...
---
***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 68/72, Next Winner: Mega Man

..and I would take Frog over Magus now without thinking.

Not possible... Magus probably takes the match with a convincing win..

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

If the prophet challenge has been made for Cloud vs. Squall.. Can someone please bump it..

*thanks in advance*

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Zero/Vincent

This year, Zero would win hands down, perhaps a 64-36 ish victory. Next year, however, it would be much closer, but I still think Zero would beat Vincent, probably 53-47.

Ganondorf/Frog

Ganondorf. Magus, imo, is superior to Frog in the CT hierarchy, and 'Dorf wasn't that far away from him.

Shadow/Vivi

Tough one. Very tough. I'm going to go with Shadow, though. His match with Sephiroth was an aberration, imo.

Ryu/Squall

The square legions decide this one. Squall over Ryu with 53-47.

Tidus/Master Chief

Can you picture the 3rd strongest FF character losing to Master Chief? I think not!

Magus/Auron

I wouldn't hesitate to pick Magus on this one. It's been proven time and again that in the Squarenix pecking order, the top games are FF7 and CT.

---
Currently Supporting: Link and Samus.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

Zero (although I would fully expect Vincent to put up one good fight)
Ganondorf
Vivi
Ryu
Master Chief
Magus

---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Thanks for the input, guys. You seem pretty split on some of the questionable ones, which means I must have done a good job. Hooray!
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Mock me all you wish, but until the two actually throw down, there is no convincing data to make me believe Frog couldn't defeat Magus. And the more you mock, the more I yearn for this match to happen.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Zero
But surely Vincent will put up a good fight if DoC is what I hope it is to be..

Ganondorf
Crono >>>>>>>> Magus >>Ganondorf>>> Frog

Shadow
Tidus >> Shadow >> Vivi

Ryu
Hm.. Tough, my bracket will say Squall since I prefer Squall > Ryu but Ryu will win in a close tight match.

Tidus
Just because he's a main character of a Final Fantasy game.

Magus
Close match but Magus will pull away with the win

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Who in the world says that should increase a character? You are letting that wild speculation about Metroid Prime spread to your head. There's nothing that even suggests that "settling in" helps a character out. Furthermore, FFX came out in 2001 why would it need a good three years to settle in?

If you're talking about now, then yes it's been 3 years.
By 2002 it hasn't even had a full 1 year yet.

You use FFX-2 hype then discredit Halo 2 hype possibly helping out Master Chief. Excellent.

I discredit Halo-2 hype because it's already been there in 2003 and it shouldn't have given MC any more boost in 2004.

The factors you presented are nothing but garbage. You use something that hasn't proven in the slightest to be something that would affect a character's performance.

The factor that you use to support MM increasing is just as much garbage to me.
Look at how much effect SFAC or SMC has, very little, if any.

I said he shouldn't have increased, but he shouldn't have decreased either; hence why I'm arguing him staying the same like he has for two years now.

Think, which would you rather believe:

1. Tidus and Shadow dropped massively and proportionally.
2. Only MM increases, and he suffered HUGE reverse SFF against Zero.
3. All 3 (MM, Zero, and Vercetti) gains a HUGE proportional boost, with Max somehow managing to exceed Vercetti's already massive boost.

All 3 options are extremely unlikely, but I'd take #1 over the other 2 any day.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Another thing...what would be a better pair of matches, Shadow/Auron and Magus/Vivi or Shadow/Vivi and Magus/Auron?
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

So what is this... A new second tier under the Super 7? Who is included in it?
---
GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

Kudos to Ulti sticking to his guns. You were a bastard bout DK/Vivi till the end, so I believe everything you said. ;)
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

*Throws up hands*

That's it. I give up. This contest has just turned into surreal match after surreal match.
---
"It's a me-a, Mario!!!"--Mario Mario

From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/22/2004 9:37:57 PM | Message Detail
Kudos to Ulti sticking to his guns. You were a bastard bout DK/Vivi till the end, so I believe everything you said. ;)

I'm only a bastard if you're on the opposing side of an argument. Trust me, there are few people you would want arguing for your point of view other than me.

And I truly did believe that DK would beat Vivi, and was shocked at how strong Vivi was. Even more odd is that DK is still a decently strong character. Vivi was simply a powerhouse.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Another thing...what would be a better pair of matches, Shadow/Auron and Magus/Vivi or Shadow/Vivi and Magus/Auron?

I'd take Magus out of that 4-pack without thinking. But Shadow/Auron looks much nicer than Shadow/Vivi.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

If you're talking about now, then yes it's been 3 years.
By 2002 it hasn't even had a full 1 year yet.

In 2002 Tidus was as strong as he was going to be; in 2003 he rose a mere 0.41% meaning he pretty much stayed constant between the two years. Now, out of nowhere, he's suppose to suddenly decrease because you cannot recognize Mega Man increasing? It's total ludicrous for anyone to believe that.

I discredit Halo-2 hype because it's already been there in 2003 and it shouldn't have given MC any more boost in 2004.

Apparently you haven't been up to date on Ilovebees, sure it turned out to have nothing to do with Halo 2 but it got everyone spending hours constantly searching for clues on Halo 2's imminent release. It was set off in a trailer show at the theatres where it would say "www.xbox.com" there was a quick flicker saying "www.ilovebees.com"

That's more than enough to get everyone stirred up again. Not that I put much into hype either way.

The factor that you use to support MM increasing is just as much garbage to me.
Look at how much effect SFAC or SMC has, very little, if any.

SFAC had been out for about two weeks prior to the match against Sonic. It obviously was not enough time for him to do anything and Sonic Mega Collection was released on ONE console (the GameCube) as opposed to Mega Man Anniversary Collection's release on two different consoles (GameCube and Playstation 2).

Furthermore, what did the collection have? A ton of games from the NES era, a time when many gamers hadn't a chance to play most of the classic series. When you consider what Mega Man has today compared to when he was at his best you can see reason for a noticeable increase. Oh and the fact it came out June 23rd and had months to not only sell and get out to people but showed a sign of having an impact here at GameFAQs through FAQs shooting up.

2. Only MM increases, and he suffered HUGE reverse SFF against Zero.

Only Mega Man increases from this and the possibility of Zero increasing. You deny me the fact that a role in MMX7 and a starring role in MMZ2 has no potential to do anything it'll be almost worth not arguing anymore.

---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

XD true Ulti

Anyway, what's Frog's final % gonna be? 48.5? 49? 91?

---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Oh, and I don't want to bring back stuff from two topics ago*, but the only thing I'm gonna say is that just because someone disagrees with an explanation I give, doesn't mean that I don't have one.

Oh, and I now predict that Link will win the contest.


*I missed 67?!!! How fast did it fill up? I just assumed this was the new topic and didn't notice until I looked at my posting history.

---
"It's a me-a, Mario!!!"--Mario Mario

Thinking Mega Man could beat Link is insane, but I at least respect Heroic Mario for standing by his beliefs from the beginning.

I think it's insane to believe he has no chance. ;)
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Link will beat Mega Man, but Mega has a solid chance. I can't see Link breaking 58% on him. Maybe even a 53/46 split.

---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

*I missed 67?!!! How fast did it fill up? I just assumed this was the new topic and didn't notice until I looked at my posting history.

66 ended with boring posts on Link/Yoshi and Crono/Mario.. and suddenly Zero overperforms against Mega Man, where he was supposed to suffer SFF, and now Frog is almost making my bracket orgasm.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

You deny me the fact that a role in MMX7 and a starring role in MMZ2 has no potential to do anything it'll be almost worth not arguing anymore.

Do you ever hear either of these two games getting more than a mild buzz if that around GameFAQS?

What about Mario and Luigi? They were both in Double Dash, and both co-starred in Mario and Luigi, two games which got a hell of a lot more buzz than the two Mega Man games.

I know that Mario and Luigi are both established already, but how many non-Mega Man fans do you honestly think bought MMX7 and MMZ2? I doubt it was enough to give Zero that big of a boost.
---
"It's a me-a, Mario!!!"--Mario Mario

1. Tidus and Shadow dropped massively and proportionally.

I don't buy this one at all.. To think that Tidus and Shadow just dropped out of no where is ludicrous to me.. I much rather believed that Megaman has increased and that Zero did put up one hell of a fight because Zero does have a strong fanbase backing him than Tidus and Shadow becoming fodder to the elites.. Now I am not saying that Tidus and Shadow will put up a good or a close match against the elites but they shouldn't be blown out of porpotion..

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Snake can barely hold on to his 2800+ lead..

I guess Megaman will have a nice "Snake" on his dinner plate next round...>_>'
---
Fourth topic of the [This message was deleted by a GameFAQs moderator] petition. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=16397550 (1175 Signs!)

R.I.P. MWIS
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Who would have thought that this match would be close than Crono vs. Mario ...

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

I meant closer

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

R.I.P. MWIS

Excuse me?
---
Fourth topic of the [This message was deleted by a GameFAQs moderator] pettion. http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=16397550 (1175 Signs!)

Do you ever hear either of these two games getting more than a mild buzz if that around GameFAQS?

I can't recall that since they came around here during my more downtime (October).

What about Mario and Luigi? They were both in Double Dash, and both co-starred in Mario and Luigi, two games which got a hell of a lot more buzz than the two Mega Man games.

I'll give you Mario and Luigi, but Mario Kart: Double Dash!! shouldn't raise anyone. The Mega Man Zero series has always been given high remarks both here and other other reviewing sites. It's a popular GBA game, make no mistake.

I know that Mario and Luigi are both established already, but how many non-Mega Man fans do you honestly think bought MMX7 and MMZ2? I doubt it was enough to give Zero that big of a boost.

I never said it did give him a boost, I said that it had the potential to boost him up. There's no denying it had potential to do so, as a starring role in a game is always good--especially if you aren't the main hero of the other series you reside in.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16470013
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Only Mega Man increases from this and the possibility of Zero increasing. You deny me the fact that a role in MMX7 and a starring role in MMZ2 has no potential to do anything it'll be almost worth not arguing anymore.

You are aware that by saying point #2 is the most likely scenario, you'll be the first person to claim reverse SFF ever, don't you?

Reverse SFF has never occured before, let alone one of such MASSIVE magnitude.

However, if you're indeed delusional enough to claim that such a HUGE reverse SFF has occured, then I have nothing else to say.

Let's at least agree on this:
We'll NEVER agree when it comes to stats.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

*tag until I have something useful to say*
---
"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

You are aware that by saying point #2 is the most likely scenario, you'll be the first person to claim reverse SFF ever, don't you?

You a problem understanding that when I say it has the chance doing something I don't mean it will. You'll notice that I specifically pointed out in believing that Mega Man increased on his own and didn't comment much on the reverse SFF? Why? Because I'm not for certain one way or the other. I don't care if I was the first person to do such, that doesn't mean it would never happen. You act as if it hasn't happened before it will NEVER happen.

Again, everything from reverse SFF to Zero increasing has has the potential to happen and cannot be ruled out; at the same time it's pointless to continue to argue on that match. We spent hundreds of posts in the last topic and got nowhere.

Reverse SFF has never occured before, let alone one of such MASSIVE magnitude.

So it can never happen?
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Reverse SFF has never occured before, let alone one of such MASSIVE magnitude.

One could argue Aeris got insane rSFF against Sora last year.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Reverse SFF has never occured before, let alone one of such MASSIVE magnitude.

Just wait 'til tomorrow.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I don't buy this one at all.. To think that Tidus and Shadow just dropped out of no where is ludicrous to me.. I much rather believed that Megaman has increased and that Zero did put up one hell of a fight because Zero does have a strong fanbase backing him than Tidus and Shadow becoming fodder to the elites.. Now I am not saying that Tidus and Shadow will put up a good or a close match against the elites but they shouldn't be blown out of porpotion.

I KNOW it's VERY unlikely.

But if it's not that one, then it's #2 or #3, both of them are even MORE unlikely.

All of those 3 options are ludicrous, I'm just arguing for the one that is the least ludicrous.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

However, if you're indeed delusional enough to claim that such a HUGE reverse SFF has occured, then I have nothing else to say.

No one is saying that a HUGE reverse SFF has occurred.. Maybe a reverse SFF has occurred but not a huge one(even though I never believed in reverse SFF before).. I seriously can see Zero contending quite strongly with the elites and possibly even beating a few of the noble nine.. As for why he did so well against Megaman is probably because Zero does have a strong fanbase backing him and that many people prefer Zero > Megaman but not the majority.. Now that doesn't mean they prefer other characters > Megaman just simply they prefer Zero > Megaman.. Megaman is still quite strong but being in contention for the championship is very slim but nonetheless possible.

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

I do have to comment on a particular character's resume in the coming year (2004-2005). That character is none other than Samus Aran. She is, by far, the character who has the greatest potential at seeing an increase next year. If you look at what she has coming you'll notice two big games: Metroid Prime 2: Echoes and Metroid Prime Hunters: The First Hunt. The former is being released in November right before the biggest shopping season of the year in the United States. It will obviously be pushing Nintendo's consoles sales this holiday. Now the latter comes in the form of being packaged with the Nintendo DS--which releases on November 21st--and is a deeper demo than what was shown at E3. That's two rather big things for someone who's series is starting to become more and more popular after having nearly an eight year hiatus.


To a lesser degree we'll see the original Metroid ported to the GBA through the Classic NES Series. Obviously this wouldn't be as prominent as the other two games she'll be having, but hey any little thing could help out. I think with those two, and to a lesser degree three, games coming out within the next year could certainly shoot Samus up even more than she already is now. If she's already at the level of Clinkeroth then we'll have to decide on four characters for next year's winner--yes, yes, I left out Mega Man simply because his lineup within the coming year isn't as big as MP2/MPH, AC, and the possibility of Zelda 10. I still fully expect him to be up there with these said characters next year and expect him to win the contest this year or at least come close.


I just felt like commenting on that after all this recent information at the Nintendo DS spouting up. She seems to me like the one who has the greatest chance at increasing over this next year than the other characters.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Think, which would you rather believe:

1. Tidus and Shadow dropped massively and proportionally.
2. Only MM increases, and he suffered HUGE reverse SFF against Zero.
3. All 3 (MM, Zero, and Vercetti) gains a HUGE proportional boost, with Max somehow managing to exceed Vercetti's already massive boost.

#2 is easily the most believable, and #3 is a lil' easier for me to believe than #1 (except for Max gettin' a bigger boost than Vercetti; I think a minor case of rSFF happened there simply because of name-recognition, so that would explain it). I understand that GTA:VC sells for cheap now, and with it bein' sold with GTA3 for the X-Box at the price of a normal game, I wouldn't be terribly shocked about Tommy gettin' SOME boost.....
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Now the latter comes in the form of being packaged with the Nintendo DS--which releases on November 21st--and is a deeper demo than what was shown at E3.

I had already been debatin' on whether Link or Samus would take it next year...but now that I hear this, I'm certain: Samus, 2k5. Of course, my opinion may change in the coming year, but right now that finishes the deal.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

So it can never happen?

Both #2 and #3 CAN happen, but #1 is MUCH more likely to happen than those 2.

The same thing goes for Snake.
Sure MC could've received a huge boost out of nowhere.
But a more likely scenario is Snake dropping a lot coupled by MC increasing a little.

Btw, Snake was snubbed in MGS2, where he isn't even the main hero for most of the game.
And if the rumors turns out to be right, he will be snubbed yet again in MGS3 since the main will be Big Boss.
Those are by no means enough reason for him to drop this much, but certainly worth thinking about it.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Both #2 and #3 CAN happen, but #1 is MUCH more likely to happen than those 2.

I totally disagree with that. I think number is the least likely of them all to happen. You have no idea how much of a drop that really is if you think it's more possible than reverse SFF finally happening and Mega Man increasing.

The same thing goes for Snake.
Sure MC could've received a huge boost out of nowhere.
But a more likely scenario is Snake dropping a lot coupled by MC increasing a little.

If I bother saying anything I'll just be repeating what I've said many, many times ago.

---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Snake was part-time hero, but he was mainly a sweet side-kick in MGS2, I thought.

***SPOILERS***


It doesn't hurt that the focus of the game was to try to get Raiden to be like Snake, either.


***SPOILERS***
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

*Yells YOSHI again*
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Honestly, Megaman being proportionally stronger and suffering severe SFF to Zero is far more plausible than the other two options.


---
Currently Supporting: Link and Samus.
"I do read sometimes." Mat Cauthon, The Wheel of Time.

#2 is easily the most believable, and #3 is a lil' easier for me to believe than #1 (except for Max gettin' a bigger boost than Vercetti; I think a minor case of rSFF happened there simply because of name-recognition, so that would explain it). I understand that GTA:VC sells for cheap now, and with it bein' sold with GTA3 for the X-Box at the price of a normal game, I wouldn't be terribly shocked about Tommy gettin' SOME boost...

Are you telling me that reverse SFF is more likely than chars dropping?

I think it's a reasonable assumption that the majority of CT fans on this site prefers Magus over Crono.
Did reverse SFF occurred in their match?

Other than that, I have nothing else to say.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I had already been debatin' on whether Link or Samus would take it next year...but now that I hear this, I'm certain: Samus, 2k5. Of course, my opinion may change in the coming year, but right now that finishes the deal.

Heh. Samus does look like a solid pick for 2005 considering what she has coming.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I totally disagree with that. I think number is the least likely of them all to happen. You have no idea how much of a drop that really is if you think it's more possible than reverse SFF finally happening and Mega Man increasing.

I assume you're talking about #1 up there.

Alright, when it comes down to which one is more likely, it's all a matter of opinion, so I won't argue over it.

I know you'll believe #2 no-matter-what, but I'll stick with #1 until MM actually faces Link.
Unless he miraculously broke 65% on Snake of course.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Are you telling me that reverse SFF is more likely than chars dropping?

No, but that's not to say it can't happen. I said it earlier, there very well may have been insane amounts of rSFF when Aeris beat Sora last year. If rSFF can happen there, especially to that degree, I can see it happening in Mega Man/Zero...and it's not that hard to believe since Zero still stars in Mega Man games while being featured in his own.

I think it's a reasonable assumption that the majority of CT fans on this site prefers Magus over Crono.
Did reverse SFF occurred in their match?

No, but don't let one example completely stereotype any other possibilities. Open your mind and accept the ideas that some of these things we've mentioned COULD happen. Not very many things have been proven, with this topic being included, so we all gotta be open. I think Tidus and Shadow both dropping equally is possible, but there's not a real reason for that to happen. As indifferent as I am to Zero and as much as I love the Blue Bomber, I understand that there are many people who prefer him over Mega Man.

Therefore, my opinion hasn't changed, but until we get more stuff to work with, I'm not about to say you're wrong; Mega Man's done some weird performances this year.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Samus, 2k5. Of course, my opinion may change in the coming year, but right now that finishes the deal.

Even this year she isn't a bad upset pick.
Those 2 blow-out rounds back to back is definitely no joke.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I posted this a few topics ago concerning what the next few characters having coming out between now and 2005. Should give a good idea on who's in store for what.



Cloud Strife - Sephiroth - Aeris

Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
Final Fantasy VII: Before Crisis (to a lesser degree, almost insignificant)
Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories

Link - Ganondorf

The Legend of Zelda (The odds of it releasing before/during the contest seem very unlikely, but just in case it does meet the estimation of June 2005)

Classic NES Series: Zelda II - Adventure of Link
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap

Samus Aran

Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Classic NES Series: Metroid

Mega Man - Zero

Mega Man X8
Mega Man Zero 3
Mega Man Battle Network 5: Protoman/Colonel
Mega Man Battle Network DS
Mega Man Anniversary Collection (GBA)

Mario

Paper Mario 2
Super Mario Bros. DS
Mario Kart DS
Mario's Face
Mario Party 6
Mario Party Advance
Mario Power Tennis (GCN - GBA)

Sonic the Hedgehog

Sonic DS
Sonic Mega Collection Plus

Solid Snake

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater
Metal Gear Solid: Acid

Crono - Magus

Nothing announced

Other characters with something coming out that will obviously give them quite a boost range from Devil May Cry 3, Viewtiful Joe 2, Resident Evil 4, Kingdom Hearts 2, etc.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Unless he miraculously broke 65% on Snake of course.

No miracle will need to be performed in order for that to happen. ;)
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I picked Samus for '02 and '03 before caving into logic this year. I'll go back to her from next year to eternity.

And... YOSHI! Drill that into your mind. They'd be as weak as YOSHI! Didn't you read that?
---
"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
{34}

I think it's a reasonable assumption that the majority of CT fans on this site prefers Magus over Crono.

This wasn't a case of reverse SFF at all. Only the boards prefer Magus > Crono but I can assume that many people know Crono would win this match for sure plus the help of SFF rather than reverse SFF.

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Speaking of Magus, I want him in Kingdom Hearts 2. As a huge secret that doesn't ever get blown, either.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

No, but that's not to say it can't happen. I said it earlier, there very well may have been insane amounts of rSFF when Aeris beat Sora last year. If rSFF can happen there, especially to that degree, I can see it happening in Mega Man/Zero...and it's not that hard to believe since Zero still stars in Mega Man games while being featured in his own.

I agree that it can indeed happen, but I'd rather take Tidus and Shadow dropping over massive reverse SFF.

It's a matter of which is more likely, all things are possible in this world.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Even this year she isn't a bad upset pick.
Those 2 blow-out rounds back to back is definitely no joke.

True, but we didn't have much reason to think of her to win it all this year before the contest.

Next year, I expect the statistics to get shaken up, hard, especially among top characters...

Link - Zelda 10, assuming it gets released before the contest
Cloud - FF:AC
Sephiroth - FF:AC
Samus - MP2:E, the DS game
Solid Snake - MGS3

...then there's others that can certainly gain...
Master Chief - Halo 2
Sora - KH2
Auron - KH2
Dante - DMC3, VJ (1 or 2, HM?)

...the only thing that could make the statistics changed more would be if the PotD went back to the top of the page. Imagine the new world of predicting we'd be entering next year if that happened.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'd rather take Tidus and Shadow dropping

To the level of YOSHI.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

They'd be as weak as YOSHI! Didn't you read that?

Yes I did, I simply didn't bother responding since I was still arguing with HM.

I know it's hard to believe, but such a massive amount of reverse SFF is even harder to believe.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

VJ (1 or 2, HM?)

I'm not sure if Capcom has plans to stick him in VJ2, but that's the one that releases later this year.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

HM, ya beat me. *cries in the corner*

And there's NO way that Yoshi would beat Tidus or Shadow...but I'd love it if it happened.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Finally clicked on one of these topics to see what was in it.

"Nice... but not thrilling"

One comment, I don't think you have enough redundant links in the first post yet. I bet you have quite a few characters left until you get to the message limit.

"Speaking of Magus, I want him in Kingdom Hearts 2. As a huge secret that doesn't ever get blown, either."

And, in that same secret, they can have an uber-hidden cut scene that has Frog PWNing him with the masamune, while speaking in old english, with voice acting by Sean Connery. And when Magus has his last breath (with voice acting by Carrot Top), they pan away to Crono (with voice acting by ...) laughing his ass off at the pale clown who thought he could finish off the Amphibious one.

THAT would rock my world.

---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Anyone want to do the math to find some ground in between MM increasing, Zero's pack increasing, and Tidus/Shadow dropping? There might be some reasonable numbers in there to be found.
---
"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
{34}

Frog PWNing him with the masamune,

Which would be the coolest scene ever. Frog completely owns Magus.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

This wasn't a case of reverse SFF at all. Only the boards prefer Magus > Crono but I can assume that many people know Crono would win this match for sure plus the help of SFF rather than reverse SFF.

Let me elaborate:
--> People said back then that if any char is going to get reserve SFF, it's going to be Magus.
--> What end up happening though, is Crono receiving SFF, which is the general rule with most SFF matches. The more popular char will overperform against the less popular char.

What I was trying to say is that reverse SFF is extremely unlikely, and that being the resident bad-ass (like Magus) doesn't mean you're going to get reverse SFF.
I was just trying to refute people's argument that Zero received reverse SFF due to being the resident bad-ass of the MM universe.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Speaking of Magus, I want him in Kingdom Hearts 2. As a huge secret that doesn't ever get blown, either.

Yeah, and he could even be a secret character. If you get 99 of every item, a dozen gold chocobos, then get Auron drunk enough to sing "I'll Stand By You" and bring Aeris back from the...supermarket with the secret 57-button combination, then Magus replaces Goofy in your party.
---
***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 72/76, Next Winner: Solid Snake

"...secret 57-button combination..."

Up, Up, Down, Down... oops. That would probably just piss off Snake or Luca.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

I got to thinking about the Nintendo totem-pole, so to speak, and how much support the big three from Nintendo had...and I just noticed this and wanted to point out just how absurd this is: more people had Mario getting to the Sweet Sixteen than people had Samus getting out of the first round. That's not the bad part though...more people had Link getting to the Elite Eight than Samus getting out of the first round.

Crazy.





As for appearances in KH2, although I likely won't ever play it, I think a surprise appearance from Kefka would be very well recieved. *reminds me I need to get back to playing my FF3/6 ROM someday*
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

For those of you who cares:

2004-09-22 19:56:25 38504 41338 48.23% 51.77% 2834
2004-09-22 19:55:25 38482 41314 48.23% 51.77% 2832
2004-09-22 19:54:33 38460 41297 48.22% 51.78% 2837
2004-09-22 19:53:34 38433 41267 48.22% 51.78% 2834
2004-09-22 19:52:51 38407 41248 48.22% 51.78% 2841
2004-09-22 19:52:46 38404 41243 48.22% 51.78% 2839
2004-09-22 19:52:43 38404 41241 48.22% 51.78% 2837
2004-09-22 19:51:28 38361 41196 48.22% 51.78% 2835
2004-09-22 19:50:57 38347 41183 48.22% 51.78% 2836
2004-09-22 19:50:53 38347 41180 48.22% 51.78% 2833
2004-09-22 19:50:38 38341 41171 48.22% 51.78% 2830
2004-09-22 19:49:33 38294 41135 48.21% 51.79% 2841
2004-09-22 19:49:31 38292 41132 48.21% 51.79% 2840
2004-09-22 19:49:15 38285 41125 48.21% 51.79% 2840
2004-09-22 19:48:40 38275 41106 48.22% 51.78% 2831
2004-09-22 19:48:34 38272 41103 48.22% 51.78% 2831
2004-09-22 19:44:33 38169 41009 48.21% 51.79% 2840
2004-09-22 19:44:16 38157 40999 48.20% 51.80% 2842
2004-09-22 19:43:54 38147 40991 48.20% 51.80% 2844

Snake is looking more and more pathetic, even his lead has come to a grinding halt.

No miracle will need to be performed in order for that to happen. ;)

If that doesn't happen, or MM flopped against Link, I'll rub those words right up your nose.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, Kingdom Hearts will only feature cameos from characters in FFVII, FFVIII, and FFX (maybe X-2, but really no reason for it) since Nomura doesn't want to use characters he didn't design in KH.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Only Nomura designed characters are in the KH's. So only FFVII, VIII, and X characters will be in them. I don't know why Amano's characters aren't in them.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I assume Nomura came into Square post-SNES era?
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

We just need that CT remake on the Nintendo DS from Square Enix and we'd be set on Frog, Magus, and Crono being stronger...
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

We just need that CT remake on the Nintendo DS from Square Enix and we'd be set on Frog, Magus, and Crono being stronger...

It'd be a great seller for the DS, especially if it came as a launch game somehow, heh. Not likely, but still...that would do wonders for the three of them, regardless.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Like Nomura couldn't pull a brilliant Magus given the permission to use him? Come on.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Getting the permission is no problem, of course. It's just that Nomura doesn't like the idea, for some reason. He likes using his characters instead.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Yeah. It doesn't look like it'd be a launch title, but Square Enix has shown interest in it. That would great for Crono, Frog, and Magus in this contest.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Like Nomura couldn't pull a brilliant Magus given the permission to use him? Come on.

If you want a Magus with 9 belts, sure.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Or lots of ornaments and jewelry.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I'm not really a big fan of Nomura's character designs. I prefer Amano's.
---
SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
74/76/192 Next tough pick: Snake??

I love Nomura's character designs.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Did Nomura do FF7's characters?
---
SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
74/76/192 Next tough pick: Snake??

Yes.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Apparently you haven't been up to date on Ilovebees, sure it turned out to have nothing to do with Halo 2 but it got everyone spending hours constantly searching for clues on Halo 2's imminent release. It was set off in a trailer show at the theatres where it would say "www.xbox.com" there was a quick flicker saying "www.ilovebees.com"

Eh, this is pretty trivial, but ilovebees still has everything to do with Halo 2. I had been following it rather closely during the summer, and I still keep a watch for it. It is about Halo 2, there's lots of references, it just wasn't about the release of halo 2 on august 24.

---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Nomura did post-SNES, excluding IX.

Lead is down to 2780 from the high of 2905. =D
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

OK, I liked the FF7 character designs, but the ones in 8 and most of the ones in 10 looked kind of bland. Except of course for Auron. He rocks.
---
SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
74/76/192 Next tough pick: Snake??

Nomura's art design is easily recognizable by his characters having an unusual number of odd accessories, such as Squall's multiple belts, or even the ridiculously big necklace that Sion sports in The Bouncer.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Matter of fact, I seem to recall Nomura saying that Sion was one of his favorite character designs. Maybe I'm mistaken though.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

"It's hard to pick only one, but I really like Tidus, and Red XIII from FFVII." - Character Designer Tetsuya Nomura, when asked which character he created for Square was his favorite

^ From the EGM with Amano's artwork of Tidus and Yuna...
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So I was mistaken. I have heard that he really liked Sion's design though.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

He likes his design for Tidus. Enough said.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I wish Frog would have won, just for the mass whining (and possibly suiciding) that would ensue. Not to mention I would just be interested to see what Frog would slap up on the Blue Bomber. Then we could see how strong the CT-backing really is. Though personally I feel this probably sub 51.5% showing does plenty for me. And by God, CJayC, give me Magus/Frog! And no, I will never let this go. Ulti had his Halo/Starcraft preview. I would write a freakin' dissertation on this match if it materializes. I might need 500 posts to address every conceivable factor, variable, et. al.

4 more hours of fun, and then at least 48 hours of boringness. Blah, I hate these SFF matches.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Yeah, Mega Man-Zero certainly gave us 24 hours of boredom, didn't it?
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

The guy who did IX > him.
---
It was a Total Recall, if you know what I mean.
The opposition was Terminated.

Eh, FFIX's character design was decent. I really like Freya's and Vivi's. Zidane's cuffs though...
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Somehow, I cant get my mind off the fact that Magus v. Frog would be massively anticlimactic. I not only think Magus would win, i think he would beat the living daylights out of our froggy friend. I think Frog is running too much on steam from a popular series - in a match up against Magus or Crono, he would get SFF'd like anything.
---
2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I think Ulti is the one who made the post I remember most when I think of Halo/Starcraft...somebody made a post just comparing awards that each game got, and Starcraft kicked its metaphorical ass, really. The post was finished off with something like "Take it hard, Halo"...and that really set the mood for the match, that was just afew days away. I really wanna see that list again, if nothing else, but I dunno if that's Ulti's famous preview or not.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I don't see what people see bad about the design of Tidus. Personally I think he's very well design, and he's gotta pretty decent outfit. However, it doesn't even come close to Auron's.

I really like Auron, Tidus, Wakka, Rikku, and Kimahri's designs. Those own. However, Yuna and Lulu just seemed bland to me.

And, for the record, I think CT characters cameo-ing in Kingdom Hearts 2 could easily put the game on my top 10 favorite games list.
---
Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 73 of 76
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Squall Leonhart

That wasn't mine, though the list of awards was astounding on both sides. If you go to my PCA (it's on creativename's Link page), you'll see the Starcraft/Halo writeup within the analysis.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Eh, FFIX's character design was decent.

I only really liked Amarant, Vivi, and Freya's designs.
---
Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 73 of 76
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Squall Leonhart

The only exciting thing to happen in the Mega Man/Zero match was the fact that there was NO SFF. The discussion had nothing to do with "Wow, look at how much better Zero is performing!" If I am not mistaken, he only did what, half a percent better than he was suppose to? It was so discussion worthy because of the SFF. Which sucks. Give me these random no-connection matches any day of the week. And I still think the way fanbase voting goes is hero>villain. And yes, Bowser/Yoshi showed that to not always be the case. But Yoshi does not devote his entire being to defeating Bowser. Hell, Yoshi doesn't even talk. And no, I do not think Aeris would beat Sephiroth either. I still decree Magus being the villain to Frog's hero is the relationship to address, not the 2nd fiddle/3rd fiddle everyone is hung up on. We don't know for sure that Frog is 3rd fiddle; it is just implicitly assumed from the previous voting patterns.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

tnote, I heard someone mention that fans voting pattern goes like this: hero(main)/villain(main)/sidekick.
And in general I agree.

Bowser is usually main villain, and Yoshi is usually just a sidekick, so Bowser wins the SFF.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Not sure if you guys care, but I made updates for this match:

00:00 | Frog | 00075 | +0075 | 56.82% | Snake | 00057 | +0057 | 43.18% | Lead of 0018 | (Up 18)
00:15 | Frog | 00280 | +0205 | 50.09% | Snake | 00279 | +0222 | 49.91% | Lead of 0001 | (Down 17)
00:30 | Frog | 00700 | +0420 | 48.41% | Snake | 00746 | +0467 | 51.59% | Lead of 0046 | (Up 47)
00:45 | Frog | 01015 | +0315 | 47.76% | Snake | 01110 | +0364 | 52.24% | Lead of 0095 | (Up 49)
01:00 | Frog | 01288 | +0273 | 47.04% | Snake | 01450 | +0340 | 52.96% | Lead of 0162 | (Up 67)
01:15 | Frog | 01561 | +0273 | 47.12% | Snake | 01752 | +0302 | 52.88% | Lead of 0191 | (Up 29)
01:30 | Frog | 01797 | +0236 | 46.70% | Snake | 02051 | +0299 | 53.30% | Lead of 0254 | (Up 63)
01:45 | Frog | 01978 | +0181 | 46.19% | Snake | 02304 | +0253 | 53.81% | Lead of 0326 | (Up 72)
02:00 | Frog | 02181 | +0203 | 46.27% | Snake | 02533 | +0229 | 53.73% | Lead of 0352 | (Up 26)
02:15 | Frog | 02373 | +0192 | 46.46% | Snake | 02735 | +0202 | 53.54% | Lead of 0362 | (Up 10)
02:30 | Frog | 02544 | +0171 | 46.52% | Snake | 02925 | +0190 | 53.48% | Lead of 0381 | (Up 19)
02:45 | Frog | 02715 | +0171 | 46.35% | Snake | 03143 | +0218 | 53.65% | Lead of 0428 | (Up 47)
03:00 | Frog | 02920 | +0205 | 46.15% | Snake | 03407 | +0264 | 53.85% | Lead of 0487 | (Up 59)
03:15 | Frog | 03155 | +0235 | 46.18% | Snake | 03677 | +0270 | 53.82% | Lead of 0522 | (Up 35)
03:30 | Frog | 03478 | +0323 | 46.23% | Snake | 04046 | +0369 | 53.77% | Lead of 0568 | (Up 46)
03:45 | Frog | 03719 | +0241 | 46.41% | Snake | 04294 | +0248 | 53.59% | Lead of 0575 | (Up 7)
04:00 | Frog | 04040 | +0321 | 46.50% | Snake | 04648 | +0354 | 53.50% | Lead of 0608 | (Up 33)
04:15 | Frog | 04486 | +0446 | 46.73% | Snake | 05113 | +0465 | 53.27% | Lead of 0627 | (Up 19)
04:30 | Frog | 04765 | +0279 | 46.76% | Snake | 05425 | +0312 | 53.24% | Lead of 0660 | (Up 33)
04:45 | Frog | 05126 | +0361 | 46.84% | Snake | 05817 | +0392 | 53.16% | Lead of 0691 | (Up 31)
05:00 | Frog | 05527 | +0401 | 46.75% | Snake | 06295 | +0478 | 53.25% | Lead of 0768 | (Up 77)
05:15 | Frog | 05883 | +0356 | 46.60% | Snake | 06742 | +0447 | 53.40% | Lead of 0859 | (Up 91)
05:30 | Frog | 06366 | +0483 | 46.86% | Snake | 07218 | +0476 | 53.14% | Lead of 0852 | (Down 7)
05:45 | Frog | 06797 | +0431 | 46.97% | Snake | 07675 | +0457 | 53.03% | Lead of 0878 | (Up 26)
06:00 | Frog | 07249 | +0452 | 47.09% | Snake | 08146 | +0471 | 52.91% | Lead of 0897 | (Up 19)
06:15 | Frog | 07666 | +0417 | 47.19% | Snake | 08578 | +0432 | 52.81% | Lead of 0912 | (Up 15)
06:30 | Frog | 08101 | +0435 | 47.13% | Snake | 09089 | +0511 | 52.87% | Lead of 0988 | (Up 76)
06:45 | Frog | 08565 | +0464 | 47.11% | Snake | 09614 | +0525 | 52.89% | Lead of 1049 | (Up 61)
07:00 | Frog | 09006 | +0441 | 47.14% | Snake | 10100 | +0486 | 52.86% | Lead of 1094 | (Up 45)
07:15 | Frog | 09505 | +0499 | 47.13% | Snake | 10662 | +0562 | 52.87% | Lead of 1157 | (Up 63)
07:30 | Frog | 10010 | +0505 | 47.19% | Snake | 11202 | +0540 | 52.81% | Lead of 1192 | (Up 35)
07:45 | Frog | 10512 | +0502 | 47.18% | Snake | 11767 | +0565 | 52.82% | Lead of 1255 | (Up 63)
08:00 | Frog | 11022 | +0510 | 47.26% | Snake | 12300 | +0533 | 52.74% | Lead of 1278 | (Up 23)
08:15 | Frog | 11508 | +0486 | 47.27% | Snake | 12838 | +0538 | 52.73% | Lead of 1330 | (Up 52)
08:30 | Frog | 11976 | +0468 | 47.30% | Snake | 13344 | +0506 | 52.70% | Lead of 1368 | (Up 38)
08:45 | Frog | 12484 | +0508 | 47.35% | Snake | 13881 | +0537 | 52.65% | Lead of 1397 | (Up 29)



---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

09:00 | Frog | 12922 | +0438 | 47.28% | Snake | 14408 | +0527 | 52.72% | Lead of 1486 | (Up 89)
09:15 | Frog | 13400 | +0478 | 47.29% | Snake | 14935 | +0527 | 52.71% | Lead of 1535 | (Up 49)
09:30 | Frog | 13925 | +0525 | 47.43% | Snake | 15436 | +0501 | 52.57% | Lead of 1511 | (Down 24)
09:45 | Frog | 14364 | +0439 | 47.37% | Snake | 15958 | +0522 | 52.63% | Lead of 1594 | (Up 83)
10:00 | Frog | 14816 | +0452 | 47.34% | Snake | 16483 | +0525 | 52.66% | Lead of 1667 | (Up 73)
10:15 | Frog | 15269 | +0453 | 47.37% | Snake | 16962 | +0479 | 52.63% | Lead of 1693 | (Up 26)
10:30 | Frog | 15765 | +0496 | 47.44% | Snake | 17468 | +0506 | 52.56% | Lead of 1703 | (Up 10)
10:45 | Frog | 16218 | +0453 | 47.46% | Snake | 17953 | +0485 | 52.54% | Lead of 1735 | (Up 32)
11:00 | Frog | 16644 | +0426 | 47.45% | Snake | 18430 | +0477 | 52.55% | Lead of 1786 | (Up 51)
11:15 | Frog | 17122 | +0478 | 47.43% | Snake | 18975 | +0545 | 52.57% | Lead of 1853 | (Up 67)
11:30 | Frog | 17588 | +0466 | 47.41% | Snake | 19508 | +0533 | 52.59% | Lead of 1920 | (Up 67)
11:45 | Frog | 18200 | +0612 | 47.45% | Snake | 20153 | +0645 | 52.55% | Lead of 1953 | (Up 33)
12:00 | Frog | 18824 | +0624 | 47.55% | Snake | 20761 | +0608 | 52.45% | Lead of 1937 | (Down 16)
12:15 | Frog | 19464 | +0640 | 47.49% | Snake | 21520 | +0759 | 52.51% | Lead of 2056 | (Up 119)
12:30 | Frog | 20130 | +0666 | 47.49% | Snake | 22259 | +0739 | 52.51% | Lead of 2129 | (Up 73)
12:45 | Frog | 20978 | +0848 | 47.54% | Snake | 23148 | +0889 | 52.46% | Lead of 2170 | (Up 41)
13:00 | Frog | 21403 | +0425 | 47.53% | Snake | 23632 | +0484 | 52.47% | Lead of 2229 | (Up 59)
13:15 | Frog | 22284 | +0881 | 47.55% | Snake | 24585 | +0953 | 52.45% | Lead of 2301 | (Up 72)
13:30 | Frog | 23041 | +0757 | 47.53% | Snake | 25435 | +0850 | 52.47% | Lead of 2394 | (Up 93)
13:45 | Frog | 23718 | +0677 | 47.61% | Snake | 26099 | +0664 | 52.39% | Lead of 2381 | (Down 13)
14:00 | Frog | 24379 | +0661 | 47.60% | Snake | 26839 | +0740 | 52.40% | Lead of 2460 | (Up 79)
14:15 | Frog | 25082 | +0703 | 47.65% | Snake | 27555 | +0716 | 52.35% | Lead of 2473 | (Up 13)
14:30 | Frog | 25818 | +0736 | 47.68% | Snake | 28333 | +0778 | 52.32% | Lead of 2515 | (Up 42)
14:45 | Frog | 26522 | +0704 | 47.75% | Snake | 29018 | +0685 | 52.25% | Lead of 2496 | (Down 19)
15:00 | Frog | 27197 | +0675 | 47.76% | Snake | 29746 | +0728 | 52.24% | Lead of 2549 | (Up 53)
15:15 | Frog | 27874 | +0677 | 47.78% | Snake | 30461 | +0715 | 52.22% | Lead of 2587 | (Up 38)
15:30 | Frog | 28625 | +0751 | 47.83% | Snake | 31226 | +0765 | 52.17% | Lead of 2601 | (Up 14)
15:45 | Frog | 29316 | +0691 | 47.87% | Snake | 31928 | +0702 | 52.13% | Lead of 2612 | (Up 11)
16:00 | Frog | 29982 | +0666 | 47.87% | Snake | 32649 | +0721 | 52.13% | Lead of 2667 | (Up 55)
16:15 | Frog | 30628 | +0646 | 47.90% | Snake | 33320 | +0671 | 52.10% | Lead of 2692 | (Up 25)
16:30 | Frog | 31285 | +0657 | 47.93% | Snake | 33982 | +0662 | 52.07% | Lead of 2697 | (Up 5)
16:45 | Frog | 31904 | +0619 | 47.96% | Snake | 34618 | +0636 | 52.04% | Lead of 2714 | (Up 17)
17:00 | Frog | 32552 | +0648 | 48.02% | Snake | 35231 | +0613 | 51.98% | Lead of 2679 | (Down 35)
17:15 | Frog | 33171 | +0619 | 48.05% | Snake | 35857 | +0626 | 51.95% | Lead of 2686 | (Up 7)

---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Part of my belief in Frog stems from my thought that Magus is not the main villain. He is just as much a sidekick in the game as Frog is. Technically Lavos is the *main* villain, but he has no character development, and is a giant blob. Nothing more, nothing less. Hero>Villain>Sidekicks works just fine by me, but I would argue that both Magus and Frog are sidekicks, one being a heroic sidekick, and the other being a jackass, I mean villainous sidekick (though, technically, he is not even fully villainous).

Do not get me wrong. I liked Magus, really I did. But how anyone can play that game and find him a better character than Glen just astonishes me. But that is the great thing about opinions. Unfortunately we are at GameFAQs, where nobody cares about your opinion.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

17:30 | Frog | 33683 | +0512 | 48.05% | Snake | 36417 | +0560 | 51.95% | Lead of 2734 | (Up 48)
17:45 | Frog | 34157 | +0474 | 48.02% | Snake | 36969 | +0552 | 51.98% | Lead of 2812 | (Up 78)
18:00 | Frog | 34680 | +0523 | 48.05% | Snake | 37491 | +0522 | 51.95% | Lead of 2811 | (Down 1)
18:15 | Frog | 35223 | +0543 | 48.09% | Snake | 38024 | +0533 | 51.91% | Lead of 2801 | (Down 10)
18:30 | Frog | 35768 | +0545 | 48.11% | Snake | 38584 | +0560 | 51.89% | Lead of 2816 | (Up 15)
18:45 | Frog | 36297 | +0529 | 48.13% | Snake | 39120 | +0536 | 51.87% | Lead of 2823 | (Up 7)
19:00 | Frog | 36758 | +0461 | 48.13% | Snake | 39617 | +0497 | 51.87% | Lead of 2859 | (Up 36)
19:15 | Frog | 37262 | +0504 | 48.15% | Snake | 40133 | +0516 | 51.85% | Lead of 2871 | (Up 12)
19:30 | Frog | 37711 | +0449 | 48.15% | Snake | 40607 | +0474 | 51.85% | Lead of 2896 | (Up 25)
19:45 | Frog | 38169 | +0458 | 48.21% | Snake | 41009 | +0402 | 51.79% | Lead of 2840 | (Down 56)
20:00 | Frog | 38596 | +0427 | 48.23% | Snake | 41422 | +0413 | 51.77% | Lead of 2826 | (Down 14)
20:15 | Frog | 39005 | +0409 | 48.28% | Snake | 41787 | +0365 | 51.72% | Lead of 2782 | (Down 44)
20:30 | Frog | 39383 | +0378 | 48.32% | Snake | 42127 | +0340 | 51.68% | Lead of 2744 | (Down 38)
20:45 | Frog | 39702 | +0319 | 48.31% | Snake | 42476 | +0349 | 51.69% | Lead of 2774 | (Up 30)

---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Frog won 4 straight updates...Poor Mario.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

And not a single update where Snake gained over 100 votes.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

And from the looks of it, he might be in the midst of winning another one.

You know what really sucks? That Mario vs. Crono match was my first one and I had been looking forward to it. ;_;
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hell, Yoshi doesn't even talk

Cheh, EVERYONE knows that Yoshi doesn't speak much, he can say his name perfectly I might add, because he is just that damn good that he doesn't need to.
---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

...and he never even hit 54%. Just... wow. Either what a performance by Glen... or what an egg-laying by Solid. Or a little of both, me thinks.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Well, one good thing about your first Mario-Crono match: It's the first time that we've had a rematch with a different winner.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

And not a single update where Snake gained over 100 votes.

12:15 | Frog | 19464 | +0640 | 47.49% | Snake | 21520 | +0759 | 52.51% | Lead of 2056 | (Up 119)

I think that's the only one though.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

But it wasn't even a match, for all the hype it had. =(

I was hoping for something Starcraft-esque, since the Starcraft matches (and ALttP - CT) were some of my favorite matches from the Spring...

Also, unless I miscounted, Frog's won 12 updates and he'll probably win this next one...
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I thought it was 13, but I'm not about to count again. I gotta finish my English work.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Well, I'm off to bed...We'll see what Squall can do in 3 hours.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I'll vote for him just for the hell of it.. Since he's going to lose anyway...
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah...Thanks.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I normally wouldn't vote for Squally over anybody, but this is Cloud we're talking about, so I'll throw a pity vote to Leon.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

And Frog wins another update. =)

21:00 | Frog | 40008 | +0306 | 48.34% | Snake | 42761 | +0285 | 51.66% | Lead of 2753 | (Down 21)

---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Squall gets my vote tomorrow, if only to see Cloud one vote weaker...
---
SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
74/76/192 Next tough pick: Snake??

Frog 48.33% 40000
Solid Snake 51.67% 42759
TOTAL VOTES 82759

Frog's hit 40,000...and I think he's closin' in, too; I'm not sure. Solid Snake, I will be SO mad if you don't come through for me, but I'm pretty sure you will. Don't you let me down.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Unless Frog can get ~900 votes per hour, Solid is safe... And that would set a new record for pace of catching up...

But at least Frog has gotten the moral victory in this match. =)
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm gonna likely vote Cloud tomorrow, but I'd like to see Kirby and Bomberman do better in the X-stats. Hmm...choices.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Frog lookin' so good = "Meh."
Master Chief lookin' so good = "YES!"
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'm gonna likely vote Cloud tomorrow, but I'd like to see Kirby and Bomberman do better in the X-stats. Hmm...choices.

(>^.^)> Kirby fanboyism compells you to vote for Squall. >_> <_<
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm voting for Squall because he uses a Gunblade. I didn't get too far into either game, not because I thought they were bad, I just quit playing both for some reason. So I really don't have an opinion on either.
---
Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

900 votes an hour, huh?

We need Mass Carriers carrying Koreans thinking this is Starcraft they are vote stuffing for!
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Reminding myself that I nominated both Kirby and Bomberman this year, I've decided I'm voting Squall tomorrow, though I've never played FF8.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Eh, this is pretty trivial, but ilovebees still has everything to do with Halo 2. I had been following it rather closely during the summer, and I still keep a watch for it. It is about Halo 2, there's lots of references, it just wasn't about the release of halo 2 on august 24.

I've never believed that hype creates anything that should be discussed, but he was saying that Halo 2 hype had died down within a year. Regardless of what it was about and the fact it had nothing at all to do with Halo 2 doesn't matter. It got plenty of people hyped up about the game and created plenty of buzz everywhere. It created newly forgotten hype for a game that is so close to release. Again, not that I believe hype ever does anything siginificant.



For tomorrow, I'm all about Cloud putting up some great numbers and I'd absolutely love to see him at 75%. It's asking for a lot, but it'd be make me insanely happy to see Cloud SFF Squall that much. =)

Go Cloud!
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Bleh, I didn't like Cloud in FFVII but I hated FFVIII, though not necessarily Squall. They both suck, to me.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I think Cloud...

...nevermind, I spent a few posts in the last topic expressing my liking of him.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

wait, no, that wasn't my point, I was just saying that ilovebees is about halo 2.
---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Eh, it was actually about real-life games or something like that. In the end it didn't have a thing to do with Halo 2, other than possibly generate the hype it did.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Blarg. I hate it when people say "WHOMG, only Cloud and Sephiroth and Link can win!!! No on else has a chance!"

Blarg. Come on, Samus and Mega Man!
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Since I can no longer even win the Guru contest, much less the whole thing...HM, you have my support for the rest of the contest. Go friggin' Mega Man, go!
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Don't even bother with those two people you saw in that topic, RPGuy. Neither of them will understand that things can change... <<
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Feel free to berate, excoriate, and eviscerate . . . at the very least, there might be a good idea or two that someone can steal in here.

Mock Bracket (Summer 2005):

North Division:

1: Link (LoZ)
16: Tingle (LoZ)

8: Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
9: Chun Li (Street Fighter)

5: Kerrigan (Starcraft)
12: Kain (Final Fantasy IV)

4: Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
13: Maximo (Maximo)

6: Big Boss (Metal Gear Solid)
11: Conker (Conker's Bad Fur)

3: Auron (Final Fantasy X)
14: Simon Belmont (Castlevania)

7: Alucard (Castlevania)
10: Morrigan (Dark Stalkers)

2: Solid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
15: CATS (Zero Wing)

East:

1: Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII)
16: Garland (Final Fantasy)

8: Yoshi (Super Mario)
9: Kirby (Kirby's Dream Land)

5: Ridley (Metroid)
12: Nightmare (Soul Calibur)

4: Squall (Final Fantasy VIII)
13: Duke Nukem (Duke Nukem)

6: Zelda (LoZ)
11: Tommy Vercetti (Grand Theft Auto)

3: Ganondorf (LoZ)
14: Robotnik (Sonic)

7: Leon Kennedy (Resident Evil)
10: Serge (Chrono Cross)

2: Crono (Chrono Trigger)
15: Nei (Phantasy Star)

South:

1: Cloud (Final Fantasy VII)
16: Ultros (Final Fantasy VI)

8: Sora (Kingdom Hearts)
9: Bowser (Super Mario)

5: Geno (Super Mario RPG)
12: Locke (Final Fantasy VI)

4: Master Chief (Halo)
13: Gordon Freeman (Half-Life)

6: Dante (Devil May Cry)
11: Viewtiful Joe (Viewtiful Joe)

3: Magus (Chrono Trigger)
14: Goemon (Mystical Ninja)

7: Vivi (Final Fantasy IX)
10: Dr. Wily (Mega Man)

2: Mega Man (Mega Man)
15: Servbot (Mega Man)

West:

1: Samus (Metroid)
16: Larry Laffer, aka Leisure Suit Larry (LSL)

8: Shadow (Sonic)
9: Knuckles (Sonic)

5: Vincent (Final Fantasy VII)
12: Vyse (Skies of Arcadia)

4: Zero (Mega Man X)
13: Terry Bogard (King of Fighters)

6: Frog (Chrono Trigger)
11: Donkey Kong (Super Mario)

3: Sonic (Sonic)
14: Captain Olimar (Pikmin)

7: Liquid Snake (Metal Gear Solid)
10: Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)

2: Mario (Super Mario)
15: Kamek (Super Mario)

1: Link (LoZ)
16: Tingle (LoZ)

-- One thing I've always wondered...what's the point of throwing a new character into the 16 seed slot when that pretty much guarantees instant pummeling and no real chance to find out how much they're worth? This isn't necessarily pointed at Tingle, since I'd think she'd get less votes than Tanner, but what about Garland? I'd put him a few seeds up just to see what he could really do.

4: Tidus (Final Fantasy X)
13: Maximo (Maximo)

-- Good job on putting Maximo in. :P

6: Big Boss (Metal Gear Solid)
11: Conker (Conker's Bad Fur)

-- What about Grey Fox?

12: Nightmare (Soul Calibur)

-- I hate Nightmare, personally. I'd rather see Cervantes or well...anyone other than Maxi or Kilik. I'm always partial to Ivy. :)

2: Crono (Chrono Trigger)
15: Nei (Phantasy Star)

-- Why not Alis from PS1/4 instead of Nei?

5: Geno (Super Mario RPG)
12: Locke (Final Fantasy VI)

-- I think Geno's too high.

4: Zero (Mega Man X)
13: Terry Bogard (King of Fighters)

-- You know, for all we see of KOF, I'm surprised Iori Yagami never makes the nominations.

---
"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Iori was in 2002

---
Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

....Squall is awesome and if I had my way He'd win every contest so vote for him ^_^. Unfortunately he cant win every contest, but he still deserves a good showing, cant let SFF ruin him.
---
SC2k4 Current Score: 65/68 (42-148)
Today: Crono vs. Mario / Tomorrow: Mega Man vs. Zero

-- You know, for all we see of KOF, I'm surprised Iori Yagami never makes the nominations.

That's because Duke Nukem went 63-37 the one time Iori made it into the contest, 2k2. Of course, Terry didn't look so hot when Aya Brea beat him 65-35 as a 12-seed, either.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

This isn't necessarily pointed at Tingle, since I'd think she'd get less votes than Tanner, but what about Garland?

Um... Tingle's male. Scary thought, I know.

Anyway, since it doesn't look like Snake/Frog is going to pick up any time soon, I'll have a look.

16: Tingle (LoZ) - You already have three LoZ characters. Don't you think that's a bit much?

6: Big Boss (Metal Gear Solid) - As above. Besides, the only good pics you're going to get of BB would be (unless we're way off) the Snake Eater ones. I think there are better choices if you really need a third MG character.

15: Nei (Phantasy Star) - Not that I don't think PS should have a representative, but don't you think a main character would be a better choice? And failing that, why not have an Aeris/Nei matchup?

5: Geno (Super Mario RPG)
12: Locke (Final Fantasy VI) - You're already loaded up on Square characters as it is. One of these two should go.

15: Servbot (Mega Man) - Is there REALLY a demand for Servbot?

In short, the seeding's kind of wonky, there are WAY too many SFF matches, and there's much less variety in the candidates this go-round. 5/10.
---
Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

Scary thought?

It's much scarier to think of Tingle as female.
---
The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Scarier, perhaps, but it's much easier to believe.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Was unaware that Iori made 2002.

And...well, I'll just leave the Tingle thing alone. *IT* can be whatever it wants to be.

That being said, why does Luca Blight seem to make a classic cult following around here, but we never see the likes of any other notable Suikoden characters (whom I think most of are better. :P)? What about Luc, for instance? Say what you will about him not being overly significant in part one, but he clearly had a major impact in part three.

I'd also love to see Koudelka make the list, even if she'd only be a 16 seed at best.

And someday, Adol Christian should make it. Six games and he still hasn't made the polls yet. Clearly some people need to go back and play Ys 1-4...and maybe 5 if they ever translate it. I can hardly wait for Ys 6 in February.
---
"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Frog's creeping up on 48.5%. What a moral victory for himself, for Master Chief, and for Liquid Snake.

Oh, and I think we can safely assume that revenge votes don't exist. That should shut anybody up about Seph's chances against Cloud, at least.

2 days of boringness and SFF...1 day of mild interest to see where Dante might end up...and then Samus/Sora. If I don't see at least a doubling, I'm going to be very disappointed.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

That being said, why does Luca Blight seem to make a classic cult following around here, but we never see the likes of any other notable Suikoden characters (whom I think most of are better. :P)? What about Luc, for instance? Say what you will about him not being overly significant in part one, but he clearly had a major impact in part three.

Half of every Suiko cast is optional, another quarter is unmemorable and fodder. Luc, for all that he should be well known among Suiko fans, is little more than Squall without the good parts. Tir and Riou are silent, so that turns off a fair chunk of the potential nominators. You'd have more luck getting Viki or Jeane in the contest.
---
Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

What, this disproves revenge votes? I dont think this match could prove anything about revenge votes - theres no direct revenge to be had.

And to discount Sephiroth is silly. Watch.
---
2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Addendum to that - I dont actually believe revenge votes are a factor myself, and the whole concept seems pretty stupid honestly, just that this match does not prove it one way or another.
---
2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I can't believe creative isn't around to see this. He should be happy about the result.

The revenge votes in question are those anti-voting Frog because he beat MC in such a close match.

And personally I think Clive would be better than the above listed Suikoden side-characters. Though Viktor would be the best non-Luca representative the world of Suikoden has to offer.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Frog should have pissed off everybody, or at least a sizable portion, of the people that voted against him in rounds 1 and 2 based on the slim margin of his wins. This is clearly not the case.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Though my backing of Viktor as the most prolific character is biased for obvious reasons.
---
*is tnote827* "There are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics."

*sigh* I didn't wanna do it...I don't think Frog could be doin' this good without Solid Snake having the pic he has right now, BUT Frog has legitimately impressed me today. First, we expected him to have an easy run out of the first round, but he ends up beating Liquid by 93 votes...and we were disappointed. Then, most people (not I) expected Frog to go by MC smoothly to the Sweet Sixteen, but he ends up beating the Chief by 7 votes...and we were in shock (even I). Frog suddenly seems weak!

However, after today, despite the pic, I'm gonna give Frog the props I've been really REALLY wanting to deny him; Frog is a force to be reckoned with, and he very well may be able to beat Aeris...but so are Master Chief and Liquid Snake now, guys, so are Master Chief and Liquid Snake.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Indeed. It's rather remarkable that Liquid is so close to Solid, actually, and I can't wait to see where MC ends up next year. In my bracket, he gets Tidus in the 2nd round.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I'd take Master Chief in a close one, especially if your bracket assumes it will happen next year, when Halo 2 comes.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Master Chief and Samus Aran are going to be the two characters to watch next year; it might be hard to believe, but Samus very well may win the contest next year (or this one, if she keeps up)...and MC could be Elite Eight material pretty easily.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Er, I'd like to posit the likelihood that many of the Master Chief fans likely would have voted for Solid Snake over Frog ANYWAY. Seeing as voting against Frog rather than for Solid Snake is the same thing, even if revenge votes existed they would not have any reason to exist in this match.
---
2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I would have voted MC over Snake, and I nominated them both. I don't think the vote totals would be all that different; Solid Snake does span all three systems, but I don't see many X-Box fans voting for Solid over Master Chief...and it's been heavily noted about the lack of success MGS:TTS had.

Solid Snake would do a little better, but it would probably get made back up because MC would have an unfair pic advantage of bein' 3D over the sprite of Snake, which is pretty lame...and MC looked bad-ass last round.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I think this simply shows that the fanbase between liquid and solid isn't that much different. And why would it be that different? Liquid is strong. MC shouldn't have come so close (whats the site, bungie.net? had that not been spammed, frog/liquid >> MC).

This shows nothing about revenge votes, but I agree, I highly doubt they amount to enough to really matter. Unless a match is just THAT close.



Also, does anybody else see Frog falling a bit next year? He was really hyped up this year, bringing in a lot of votes, but next year, will his performance simply be old news? Or will he continue to perform well?
---
Score: 67/72
Upcoming Picks: Megaman, Solid Snake

Also, does anybody else see Frog falling a bit next year? He was really hyped up this year, bringing in a lot of votes, but next year, will his performance simply be old news? Or will he continue to perform well?

CT is an old game, any fans it has today are die-hards who won't go away or change preference anytime soon.
Even more so than FF VII fans IMO.

So I really don't think Frog will drop next year.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

but how about clueless voters who are only voting for Frog because of the hype, like myself, looking for some good matches? Think a lot of them exist?
---
Score: 67/72
Upcoming Picks: Megaman, Solid Snake

but how about clueless voters who are only voting for Frog because of the hype, like myself, looking for some good matches? Think a lot of them exist?

For them to buy into board hypes, they have to be a board 8 regular.

I really doubt board 8 regular's votes can make or break a char, considering most of them won't by hypes anyway.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Damn, I missed the last 500+ posts in the Stats topics!!!! O_O I'm usually able to go to my classes and easily catch back up, but today is ridiculous! What the hell have you guys been talking about? Can someone fill me in? I refuse to try to read through the last topic and a half....
---
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Mostly Mega Man/Zero, where nothing much was decided on.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Lots Snake/Mega Man discussion. Ooh, and people act like I spit on the Bible by saying Frog would take out Magus.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

frog magus should happen next year. so should squall auron. or tidus auron. or tidus zero. or mario crono....
---
Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 2470th place

Frog has almost shaved off 500 votes from Snake's high of 2905. Just an awesome showing. And if the poll would have been open for those first 10 minutes, probably another 50 or so votes. Next to Sora's 60%+ on Ryu, the most impressive showing of the tournament, in my eyes. Crono is a close third with turning his anxiously anticipated tri-rematch with Mario into a laugher from the get-go. Tanner is a distant last.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

So, Solid Snake vs. Liquid Snake is 51.5-48.5 after MGS2? I wonder where they stood prior to its release. Considering that Liquid has basically no part in it you would have to think it'd be even closer. Especially since MGS2 was projected to be more popular than MGS according to the Spring contest.

11-6 Squall when I voted Leonhart. Figured you would like to know come morning. Night all.
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

50.43% decided that Snake was going to make it to the Elite Eight. How the mighty have fallen...
---
Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

Squall gets out to an early lead, and now Cloud is hanging around 60%.

---
*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

6-1 squall, I saw.
---
Score: 67/72
Upcoming Picks: Megaman, Solid Snake

Score-Brackets-% Right
76----1--------100.0000000
75----8--------87.5000000
74----22-------95.4545455
73----69-------91.3043478
72----117------88.8888889
71----158------87.9746835
70----180------86.6666667
69----241------78.4232365
68----276------80.4347826
67----412------73.0582524
66----462------69.6969697
65----523------69.9808795
64----696------66.0919540
63----732------64.3442623
62----894------63.8702461
61----961------62.6430801
60----1228-----59.6091205
59----1305-----58.4674330
58----1441-----57.7376822
57----1498-----55.6742323
56----1625-----54.0307692
55----1619-----53.3662755
54----1713-----52.5394046
53----1703-----50.0293600
52----1694-----50.0590319
51----1600-----47.3750000
50----1488-----46.9086022
49----1362-----42.8781204
48----1312-----40.6250000
47----1059-----40.7932011
46----1008-----37.5992063
45----910------41.0989011
44----845------37.0414201
43----655------35.4198473
42----538------34.2007435
41----466------29.1845494
40----370------33.2432432
39----344------29.9418605
38----255------32.9411765
37----226------27.4336283
36----205------22.9268293
35----144------34.0277778
34----140------20.7142857
33----114------27.1929825
32----71-------23.9436620
31----93-------31.1827957
30----67-------26.8656716
29----47-------34.0425532
28----33-------12.1212121
27----32-------12.5000000
26----21-------19.0476190
25----14-------7.1428571
24----22-------22.7272727
23----8--------25.0000000
22----8--------0.0000000
21----6--------16.6666667
20----3--------0.0000000
19----1--------0.0000000
18----3--------33.3333333
17----3--------0.0000000
16----3--------33.3333333
15----4--------0.0000000
14----4--------0.0000000
13----3--------33.3333333

Nobody with a score of 12 or less got the match right. The top tiers did well scoring in the mid 80's.

Four people fell off the Top 50 today. Shdwdde, GanjaDank, SKIzlude and Master A did not have Solid Snake winning this match.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Hmmm, 34 percent ain't bad for Squall.... Seeing how that's about how much he got beat by Snake in 2002. If there is no SFF and it stays this way, Cloud goes from doubling up Sonic to only doubling up Squall. But this is also a weird match, so these numbers can't be held to anything. Squall and Cloud are probably the CLOSEST to each other in terms of FF protagonists. And they are in consecutive FFs, so they pretty much have the same group of people exposed to their games.
---
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Spoke too soon. Cloud's pulling away. I'm going to bed.
---
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Cloud Strife 67.25% 1000
Squall Leonhart 32.75% 487
TOTAL VOTES 1487

Either I'm not impressed with Cloud, or I'm impressed with Squall.

---
I am Lucid Faia.

Cloud is doing below expectations right now, but Cloud always goes up as the day progresses. Cloud will probably end up hitting the 70% mark which means that SFF is once again not present.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Cloud ALWAYS sucks at the beginning of ANY match.

It looks like most people on board 8 is anti Cloud.

Anyway, he already exceeded his expected 69.30% as we speak.

I'm certainly hoping for him to hit 75%.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Cloud's almost at 72% now, yup better than expected already.
---
Current SC2K4 Score: 77/80
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

I wonder if Cloud will keep increasing the percentage?.?

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Wow doesn't look like he's slowing at all, this makes things look good for Cloud.

And I made the top 50 again :)
---
Current SC2K4 Score: 77/80
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Yay, Frog closed the gap a little. Good to see my faves putting up a fight for a change.

According to the X-Sts, Cloud's getting nearly three points of SFF on Squall, but Squall's been so erratic in his first two matches it's not unreasonable to think he decreased. So... another Square SFF-free match?
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

I'll go with SFF-free here. It's as if Square characters almost never SFF each other. Also, I think most people that like FFVII dislike 8 and vise versa which would eliminate most SFF. However, I'm thinking people that like FFVII would also like FFX which would explain that whole Auron thing.
---
I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

*cheers for Squall*

Keep that blonde bastard under 75%! You can do it! Reaffirm my moderate faith in the GameFAQs voters!
---
SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

So do you think Sephiroth may get SFF on Auron tomorrow?
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

I would think so. I of course hope not because I prefer Auron. But I think Seph will get SFF. It just seems that all the people who like FFVII because it was their first resent FFVIII because it was so different. By the time FFX rolled around they were used to the idea that FFs weren't always the same so genuinely enjoyed it but still had a deep-set resent for FFVIII.
---
I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Squall has NOT been erratic. Compare everyone who's come out of Bomberman and Kirby's 4-pack last year, and they've all overperformed by about 3%.

Either way, glad to know that Squall got the early lead.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I had hoped for 75% last night and it look like Cloud might be able to reach by the end of the match. =)
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

And noticing how Squall's falling, there may very well be noticeable SFF before the match ends anyway. We can still see a tripling here.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

All this does is really show me how powerful Vivi really was during the Sephiroth fight. Kept him away from 70% most of the day.

Little guy put up one hell of a fight.

Heh... Didn't even think of that. This does make Vivi look good. =)
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I never doubted Vivi's strength for a second.

*imitates other elites on the board*

"I TOLD you guys all along... blah blah blah... all that other stuff"
---
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

All this does is really show me how powerful Vivi really was during the Sephiroth fight. Kept him away from 70% most of the day.

How could Vivi possibly be this close to Squall, though? Jesus, I mean, he didn't even have a role in Kingdom Hearts. Maybe this says more about the statistical anomaly that is Sephiroth than about Vivi.
---
***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 72/76, Next Winner: Solid Snake

I knew Vivi was quite the competitor as well; in fact, I remember wondering why we even bothered discussing such an easy match like Vivi/DK.

Cloud almost up to 73%, by the way. He had a stall around .84-.86% but then just shot right up to .94%
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

How could Vivi possibly be this close to Squall, though? Jesus, I mean, he didn't even have a role in Kingdom Hearts. Maybe this says more about the statistical anomaly that is Sephiroth than about Vivi.

...Because he is the black mage that casts the spells that makes the people fall down?

I dunno.

---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud Strife 73% 11556
Squall Leonhart 27% 4274
TOTAL VOTES 15830

Cool, cool. With that I'm off...
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

...Because he is the black mage that casts the spells that makes the people fall down?

I'm just wondering if maybe Cloud benefits significantly more from SFF than Sephiroth does. I'm not saying Vivi isn't strong, but Squall strong? Ehh...
---
***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 72/76, Next Winner: Solid Snake

I'm just wondering if maybe Cloud benefits significantly more from SFF than Sephiroth does. I'm not saying Vivi isn't strong, but Squall strong? Ehh...

I'd rather pretend that Vivi was SFF'd and he's even stronger than he appears. But I figure that isn't the case, so I guess that sounds right. =/
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I am bitter...I really believed in Frog to pull off the upset...and he almost came through...and though he made believers out of every one of you doubters who dared mock the Theory of Frogability, he still could not win cause of Snakey fanbabies and a few Chrono/RPG/FF/Square fans who betrayed their hearts for the sake of their brackets or something...I dunno.

Snake is nothing..and Mega Man will solidly defeat him. Someday, I will have the leaderboard glory I deserve.
---
Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 71/80 Stupid idiot Snake fanboys!

I'm just wondering if maybe Cloud benefits significantly more from SFF than Sephiroth does. I'm not saying Vivi isn't strong, but Squall strong? Ehh...

Honestly, why is it so hard to believe Vivi is as strong or stronger than Squall?

Is he not a beloved character from the series? He has absolutely nothing in the way of a hatebase, and let's not forget, his performance against Sephiroth so far has been stronger than Squall's against Cloud.

Now Vivi's ranking in perspective to Squall will depend heavily on the outcome of the Cloud/Sephiroth match, but as of this moment, I see a match between Vivi and Squall coming out with a narrow victory for my favorite black mage.

You mean, you really believed that Frogability crap? Either you're joking, or you're just blind.

But yeah, Frog did much better than I'd have expected out of him before the contest even started. 'Tis a shame that Frog had to fall to Snake of all people.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Here's my new potential bracket for next year. Seeing as this contest is pretty much a complete dud score-wise (we're practically guaranteed the top 5 will all be at 190+ points if Link or Cloud wins), I went out of my way to try to find the hardest matches to predict and then make sure they happen. My hope was that every single 8v9, 7v10, 4v5, and most 3v6 matches would be tough to call, as well as mixing up the so called noble nine as much as possible. This may mean some people are underseeded or overseeded. I also wanted to try to find as many worthwhile newcomers as possible. There are a whopping 12 newcomers in my bracket, and all have a good shot of putting up some decent numbers . With the exception of comic relief like CATS, there are enough decent characters out there that even making it into the contest should be an honor, and no matchup (except possibly the 1v16 matches) should ever get 80% again.


North Division
1 Link
16 Vyse
8 Donkey Kong
9 Tails

4 Bowser
13 Kerrigan
5 Vivi
12 Leon (Resident Evil)

3 Auron
14 The Prince (PoP)
6 Tidus
11 Joanna Dark

7 Knuckles
10 Yoshi
2 Sephiroth
15 Gordon F

East Division
1 Cloud
16 Bomberman
8 KOS-MOS
9 Chun-Li

4 Dante
13 Kefka
5 Alucard
12 Dr Wily

3 Snake
14 Aya
6 Magus
11 Captain Olimar

7 Sora
10 Luigi
2 Sonic
15 Marth


South Division
1 Mega Man
16 CATS
8 Kirby
9 Tommy V

4 Aeris
13 Sam Fisher
5 Ryu
12 Ness

3 Ganondorf
14 Morrigan
6 Frog
11 Viewtiful Joe

7 Ridley
10 Nightmare
2 Crono
15 Mai

West Division
1 Samus
16 Tanner (hey, Samus is gonna win no matter who it is. Let's go for 99%!!!)
8 Ryu H
9 Sub Zero

4 Squall
13 Jill V
5 Zelda
12 Raiden

3 Zero
14 HK-47
6 Shadow the Hedgehog
11 Terra (FF6)

7 Master Chief
10 Liquid Snake
2 Mario
15 Jak

Any thoughts? Please let me know if there are any 8v9, 7v10, 3v6, or 4v5 matches that look to be complete blowouts (say, 56-44 or worse). Please give your reasoning too; since I think they all look possible. Any other comments would be nice as well, as I did try to throw in as many possible upsets as I could. And yes, I realize Magus is horribly underseeded. But, like I said, my goal was to make this contest as difficult as can reasonably be expected, and I think Magus vs Snake would be one heck of a match.

---
Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

'Tis a shame that Frog had to fall to Snake of all people.

Damn right it is. Snake really is nothing special. He is an example of someone whose games are greater than he. He is just riding the coattails of the games, which are quite good, but he really is nothing special.

If Frog lost to Link, or Cloud, or even Sonic...that would be ok cause these guys have stories and personality and all that. Snake? Just another action star...
---
Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 71/80 Stupid idiot Snake fanboys!

Don't worry people, steve is obviously joking.

No, not just another action star. He's worse than that. He gives 3-hour long speech after 3-hour long speech WHILE THE WORLD IS FACING IMMINENT DESTRUCTION.

I wouldn't have thrown nearly as much of a fuss if it was Psycho Mantis beating Frog instead.

Mantis: You bought an N-Gage, didn't you?

Just imagine that.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

pretty good, but Tidus vs. Auron might end up being more than 56/44 because of SFF (but we don't know who it's going for)
---
Summer 2004 Contest 65/76 Solid Snake vs. Frog

7 Ridley
10 Nightmare


Who and who? Aren't these a bit overseeded?
---
I call it "Self Portrait in Late October"
I call it Last Place. Ding!

Snake >>> each and every one of pathetic Snake naysayers.
---
"im aint a lunar cow"-Lunarhawk99
Best. shared. account. evar

Frog > Snake. >.>

I was rooting for him all day steve.
---
It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

While I am USUALLY joking and mocking things about the contest and such...I was and am serious about Frog. I had him in my bracket from the start. I wanted him to win from the start. Knowing how loved Snake is, but still thinking he was vulnerable to a cult classic RPG character with wide support, I took a chance on him... and he failed me.

To win these things, you have to take chances (usually you have to...but not with this fanboy friendly flawed bracket...it needs to really be radically different next year)

Had this chance I had taken succeeded, I would be top 50 today. But it failed, and now my chances are pretty much blown for leaderboard glory.
---
Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 71/80 Stupid idiot Snake fanboys!

I'd like to see Solid Snake and Sonic switched, just because I want Sonic/Magus to be guaranteed instead of Solid/Magus...but both would be pretty damn good. Captain Olimar should be replaced with someone more people would care about though; believe it or not, I can't imagine Mario getting much benefit from SFF when he stomped him last year. I'd try Earthworm Jim again, or a different new-comer that'd give him a challenge from the get-go, like Geno or Vincent. Other than that, no complaints; kudos. Here's what I like best...

Knuckles/Yoshi
Dante/Alucard-or-Dr. Wily (Kefka would have a good showing, too)
Snake/Magus, followed up with winner/Sonic (I wish sonic and Solid'd be switched though)
Ganondorf/Frog
Samus/Tanner (sweet blow-out for once, heh)
Squall/Zelda (Raiden would do damn good against Zelda though)
Zero/Shadow, then winner/Mario
Master Chief/Liquid

...and yes, Dr. Wily very well may be able to upset Alucard.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

From: Awesome Possum

AWESOME name, by the way...used to own that game, and now I'm ashamed of it, but back then it was fun. You got balls, kid.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

North Division
1 Link
16 Vyse
8 Donkey Kong
9 Tails

Vyse is a little underseeded, but I like DK/Tails

4 Bowser
13 Kerrigan
5 Vivi
12 Leon (Resident Evil)

Bowser/Vivi would be a great match.

3 Auron
14 The Prince (PoP)
6 Tidus
11 Joanna Dark

I still don't know about Tidus/Auron, but it could be good.

7 Knuckles
10 Yoshi
2 Sephiroth
15 Gordon F

A great 7/10 match

East Division
1 Cloud
16 Bomberman
8 KOS-MOS
9 Chun-Li

Eh, I don't think KOS-MOS would struggle much with Chun-Li.

4 Dante
13 Kefka
5 Alucard
12 Dr Wily

Dante/Alucard rocks. Kefka is underseeded, though. I'd switch him and Chun-Li.

3 Snake
14 Aya
6 Magus
11 Captain Olimar

Heh, I'd love Snake/Magus.

7 Sora
10 Luigi
2 Sonic
15 Marth

Sora would probably blow out Luigi, but we don't know that for srue yet. This also brings up the possibility of Magus beating not one, but two Noble Nine opponents. I love you.

South Division
1 Mega Man
16 CATS
8 Kirby
9 Tommy V

By next year, San Andreas is out, and Kirby grabs an easy win.

4 Aeris
13 Sam Fisher
5 Ryu
12 Ness

Aeris/Ryu would be great this year, but after AC, I'm not so sure.

3 Ganondorf
14 Morrigan
6 Frog
11 Viewtiful Joe

Solid group of matches, even if they are somewhat predictable.

7 Ridley
10 Nightmare
2 Crono
15 Mai

I think Ridley and Nightmare are both overseeded, but it's still a good match.

West Division
1 Samus
16 Tanner (hey, Samus is gonna win no matter who it is. Let's go for 99%!!!)
8 Ryu H
9 Sub Zero

Hayabusa/Sub Zero. Nice.

4 Squall
13 Jill V
5 Zelda
12 Raiden

Squally/Zelda would be cool, and it would make Leonhart happy.

3 Zero
14 HK-47
6 Shadow the Hedgehog
11 Terra (FF6)

Zero/Shadow is a very intriguing match.

7 Master Chief
10 Liquid Snake
2 Mario
15 Jak

MC, with Halo 2 under his belt, could probably take out Liquid, but that's just speculation.

Overall, great job with some really cool match ups.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Yeah, but I would rather Squall not face Samus again. I was content with the first performance.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Would it be cooler to see Squall's four-pack be switched with Link's division or Mega Man's? I nominate Link's, but it'd be better either way...Squall shouldn't have to face Samus or Cloud again.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I say bring on Mega Man. Squall would do better than Tidus did.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I'd take Chun-Li over KOS-MOS.... I don't see why she wouldn't have a chance to pull off an upset.
---
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

*sigh*

Squall deserves so much better than this.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

http://img67.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img67&image=10thvote.jpg

The percentages should have stayed something similar to this...Makes me wish I had waited for the beginning of the poll.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Squall deserves so much better than this

I totally agree. Cloud is a shallow character. Squall has far better character development and better defined personality traits.

Infact, I really do not fully get why peeps love Cloud so much other than he gets the FFVII game love by default.
---
Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 71/80 Stupid idiot Snake fanboys!

Here's my updated bracket after listening to some suggestions:
North Division
1 Link
16 Vyse
8 Donkey Kong
9 Tails

4 Bowser
13 Kerrigan
5 Vivi
12 Leon (Resident Evil)

3 Ganondorf
14 Morrigan
6 Frog
11 Viewtiful Joe

7 Knuckles
10 Yoshi
2 Sephiroth
15 Gordon F

East Division
1 Cloud
16 Bomberman
8 KOS-MOS
9 Chun-Li

4 Dante
13 Nightmare
5 Alucard
12 Dr Wily

3 Snake
14 Aya
6 Magus
11 Captain Olimar

7 Sora
10 Luigi
2 Sonic
15 Marth


South Division
1 Mega Man
16 CATS
8 Ridley
9 Kefka

4 Squall
13 Jill V
5 Zelda
12 Raiden

3 Auron
14 The Prince (PoP)
6 Tidus
11 Joanna Dark

7 Kirby
10 Tommy V
2 Crono
15 Mai

West Division
1 Samus
16 Tanner
8 Ryu H
9 Sub Zero

4 Aeris
13 Sam Fisher
5 Ryu
12 Ness

3 Zero
14 HK-47
6 Shadow the Hedgehog
11 Terra (FF6)

7 Master Chief
10 Liquid Snake
2 Mario
15 Jak

-I didn't realize Squall already faced Samus, so I switched his 4-pack with Ryu/Aeris. I know some suggested having Squall in Link's division, but think about what would happen if Zelda beat Squall. 87% blowouts in round 3 are bad.

-I also switched Ganon/Frog with Auron/Tidus after realizing the winner of that second group would face Sephiroth. Sure, if Ganon were to somehow beat Seph, that would set up another Link/Ganon, but we all know what the chances of that are.

-Switched Kirby/Tommy with Ridley. I know people are saying Ridley's too overseeded, but I honestly think he's round 2 fodder than round 1 fodder. After seeing Seph, Magus, Ganondorf, Liquid, and Bowser do well (against people other than the heros, of course), I think a giant pteradactyl/dragon thing could win a match. You guys are probably right about Nightmare though (a character in Soul Calibur, for whoever asked). The fact that I don't think there's a central popular character in that game makes it seem likely that Nightmare's fate will be similar to Kefka's: a character much weaker than the game. So I switched Nightmare and, well, Kefka. Even though it means my two favorite villains are facing each other in round 1, the clown would probably make this match closer and more difficult to call.

About the Liquid/MC match, I know Halo 2 is coming out, but what about MGS3? Would that have Liquid? And with Halo 2 exciting primarily XBox fans, would it lead to that much of an increase?

Same question about Aeris and AC. Is she even in this movie (and if so, WHY???). Would it lead to that much of an increase to make Ryu/Aeris uncertain?

What should be done with GTA? I forgot about San Andreas, so I guess I can easily see that dropping Tommy to the point where that match becomes too easy. But would whatever character in SA be strong enough by this point to compete?

As for Olimar, the guy's going to appeal solely to Nintendo fans. So how could he not get screwed over by facing Nintendo's mascot? Besides, he's got a new game out that's getting better raves than the first.

Thanks for the comments. Unfortunately, because of the nomination system (cutting off too many Nintendo/Square characters and giving slots to hardcore fanbases like Laharl or Luca) I don't think we'll ever get a really difficult character contest again, but at least I can hope, right?
---
Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

Fun fact: the characters with swords showing (Link, Crono, Zero, Frog, and now Cloud) have all done better than they were supposed to. So, perhaps
MASS SWORDS != INSTANT WIN!,
but instead
MASS SWORDS = INSTANT +5%
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Ah, I just realized that you've got Squall facing Jill Valentine. That match has already happened as well. Switch her with Sam Fisher.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

About the Liquid/MC match, I know Halo 2 is coming out, but what about MGS3? Would that have Liquid? And with Halo 2 exciting primarily XBox fans, would it lead to that much of an increase?

I forgot about MGS3. I have no idea whether or not Liquid will make any appearances, but I wouldn't be surprised. And yes, Halo 2 will almost certainly give MC a boost, the question is by how much.

Same question about Aeris and AC. Is she even in this movie (and if so, WHY???). Would it lead to that much of an increase to make Ryu/Aeris uncertain?

If Sephiroth can increase 7% on Link because of a bit role as a hidden optional boss in a PS2 Action RPG, Aeris can increase a couple of points because of a bit role in a movie. We know she's in it, we don't know why, but with Aeris already ahead of Ryu it might put the win out of reach for the Street Fighter.

What should be done with GTA? I forgot about San Andreas, so I guess I can easily see that dropping Tommy to the point where that match becomes too easy. But would whatever character in SA be strong enough by this point to compete?

I know nothing about San Andreas, so I have no idea.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I'm making a bracket, and what do you guys think of these matches? Good, or obvious? This is my first year here, so have any happened already, and I should avoid them?

Jill / Scorpion
Alucard / Shadow
Yoshi / Knuckles
Zero / Ryu
Aeris / Bowser
MC / Liquid
Dante / Zelda
Auron / Squall
Magus / Frog
Magus / Sonic
Ganondorf / Tidus
Snake / Shadow
Snake / Crono
Mario / Samus
Seph / Megaman

I'm trying to make a close bracket, so a few players got shafted in the seeds. Now I'm just looking at the first round losers, I'm basically working backwards to make good matches.
---
Score: 67/72
Upcoming Picks: Megaman, Solid Snake

Jill / Scorpion: Good
Alucard / Shadow: Obvious (Shadow)
Yoshi / Knuckles: Good
Zero / Ryu: I'd say Zero easily
Aeris / Bowser: I'd say Aeris easily
MC / Liquid: Good pending Halo 2 and MGS3
Dante / Zelda: Good
Auron / Squall: I don't like SFF, even questionable ones
Magus / Frog: See above
Magus / Sonic: Fantastic
Ganondorf / Tidus: Happened last year
Snake / Shadow: Eh, I don't see Shadow over Snake
Snake / Crono: Happened in 2k2
Mario / Samus: I don't like SFF
Seph / Megaman: Happened twice before, but I wouldn't mind seeing it again.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

"Alucard / Shadow: Obvious (Shadow)"

...

LOL!!! It's not obvious at all. We've got a year before it can happen and al lwe've ever seen out of Alucard is increase, increase, increase. If it weren't for Ganon facing Link then Alucard would have finally passed up the 30% mark, another yaer of increases like that and the two are practically on the same level! /Alucard Fanboyism
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Ah, yes. I forgot about Alucard's plan.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Martin!
---
BLAH! BLAH!

Master Chief vs. Mario....after Halo 2 I think that could be a very interesting matchup, maybe even a major upset.
---
<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

Chief over Mario? That's stretching it, but it's not totally impossible.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

So anyway, I'm in the process of making my own 2k5 bracket, but I used some guidelines to make it that I will make note of once I post it.

I wanted to share an idea I had on the way to work. I'm sure I'm not the first to come up with this idea, but I've yet to see it in the stats topics (for which I've been a part of 90%), so here goes.

Instead of using a simple nomination system, I believe a refined system is in order. This refined system would be built upon past performance, nominations, and qualifier pools.

The first stage is to determine a character's strength by past performance. For this an unadjusted extrapolated standing from each year would be used, and for all characters with multiple entries the average of their placements will be used. In the even that two cahracters should tie and one of them has fewer entries, that character is ranked lower. If they should have an equal number of entries (Mr. Driller, Mr. Resetti, Mr. Tanner) and a tie they will simply remain tied.

The second stage is to hold a nomination. Nominees will be ranked in order based on how much support they have, obviously. Ties will remain ties. Taking the average their placement in nominations and their placement in previous contest performance will give their over all placement. The top 32 overall ranked characters gain automatic entry into the contest.

The third stage is a qualifier pool. Each pool will consist of 6 (or preferably 8) competitors and there will be 8 pools. The top four of each pool gains entry into the contest. Placement in qualifier pools will have little to do with placement in the contest bracket. Qualifier pools will remain "blind" until bracket's lock down to insure that they cannot simply vote for their second favorite if their actual favorite is shown to be clearly safe and they will not have any potential advanced knowledge about contest matches.

With a system like this, I see a lot of upsides and very few downsides.

Upsides:
Stronger bracket - Every charcter who gets in deserves to get in. Even the fodder have to work to get in, they have to have a developed and devout fanbase. Every character that makes it in will deserve it, for a change, and there will be nothing to say otherwise.

Added interest - With a strogner bracket comes more people who want to be involved. It becomes more likely that your favorite has legit shot, and if they do then you are no doubt going to want to be there for them every step of the way.

Users have more pull - this goes along with the first two, obviously, but the users would have a lot more say in the process. As it stands all we get is a nomination process which can end up being biased. In this system every user that has voted in the past has a little bit of say, because it's their votes that put each character where they are in the extrapolated standings. In this system we retain the (perhaps) beloved nomination system that is in place now, yet build in safety nets the prevent characters who deserve to be in from getting dropped. In this system we insure that the new entries are actually wanted, as opposed to getting another Tanner, and that the returning characters are likewise wanted.

Downsides:
Balance - Some companies may recieve less support than others. If an 8 character/8 pool system were in place, however, it'd be fair to have a cap of perhaps 15-18 between automatic entries and potential entries. Some of the potential entries will get knocked out before they even have a real shot, so all in all it should end up balanced while very few characters are cheated out of having a legitimate shot.

Extrapolated flaws - Ganon will have to work very hard to get back in. For a shot at being automatically entered he will have to be in the top 30 nominations. then again, is it all that wrong to make ganon work for his spot? Clearly he's only gotten it so far by riding Link's coattails, and even with his bad possition in the 2k4 XSt he still has a better shot at automatic enrty than most others. Perenial player Alucard is the one really gettign the shaft by the XSt, as he'll need to be somewhere in the top 20 of nominations to get in under this sytem. Either way, their past performances have been good enough that neither would miss the qualifier pools, at least.

One flaw of the XSt that soemone may bring up is Claire Redfield. Clocking in at 13 in 2k2 isn't tough work, compared to the last two years. Knux tends to look like he's barely a top 32 character and even he got 15th. However, even if she maanaged 10th over all (she could never beat the XSt average rankings of any noble nine) she would still need to be 54th or higher in the nominations for automatic entry. I guarentee that if she had been 54th in nominations this year she would have made the contest. I have no doubt that the only characters that high in nominations that didn't make the contest were from Square or Nintendo. This being said, she only needs 182nd place in the nominations assuming she gets that 10th if there was an 8/8 qualifier. An easy entry into qualifier pools by no means guarentees an easy entry into the contest.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

i dunno about Cheif over Mario, that just doesn't seem like it'll happen, I can see Master Chief making it into the top 15 maybe top 10 next year, but I doubt he'd be able to beat Mario.

As for Cloud's results today, wow just wow. He's approaching 75% not even half-way through the poll. Think he'll be able to get 80%? and if he does, what would that mean?
---
Current SC2K4 Score: 77/80
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

80%? No way. But he can definitely get in the solid mid-70s.

What does this mean for today? Not much. Cloud got SFF on Auron last year as well. Feel free to compare.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Bah, let's see...
ONE SEEDS:
Link Cloud Sephiroth Mega Man
TWO SEEDS:
Samus Snake Mario Sonic
THREE SEEDS:
Crono Magus Ganon Zero
FOUR SEEDS:
Tidus Shadow Vincent Zelda


How's that look?
---
"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!"
black mage, 8-bit theater

I'd have a similar one, except I'd switch Crono for Sonic (Mario still higher than Crono? Nah)... but not for the 4-seed. I'm planning on having Frog, Master Chief, Tidus and Aeris there.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Bah, let's see...
ONE SEEDS:
Link Cloud Sephiroth Mega Man
TWO SEEDS:
Samus Snake Sonic Crono
THREE SEEDS:
Mario Magus Ganon Zero
FOUR SEEDS:
Tidus Shadow Vincent Master Chief


That look better?
I think you overestimate MC, though.
I really am not sure who goes there...

Hm.

Alucard?

</joke>


---
"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!"
black mage, 8-bit theater

Bah, let's see...
ONE SEEDS:
Link Cloud Sephiroth Mega Man
TWO SEEDS:
Samus Snake Sonic Crono
THREE SEEDS:
Mario Magus Ganon Zero
FOUR SEEDS:
Tidus Shadow Vincent Master Chief

Switch MM with Samus, she's more deserving than him, at least based on their performance so far in this contest.

Also, swap Snake for Mario, Snake is a major disappointment in this contest.

After that whopping Tidus gets from MM, I think Aeris, Squall, Vivi or Auron are more deserving of the 4 seeds than Tidus and Shadow.

And Vincent shouldn't be a 4, at least not yet.
DoC might not make it in time to significantly effect Character Battle IV.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I think Vincent could perform as a 4 seed even without DoC.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Master Chief vs. Mario....after Halo 2 I think that could be a very interesting matchup, maybe even a major upset.

I think so too, but I'd give it to Mario; that would be one hell of an upset though.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Over 75%....this is a sad day for GameFAQs.

I can't wait untill Cloud gets sent packing, whether it be by Sephiroth, Samus, or Link. But he will go home empty-handed.
---
SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

I think Vincent could perform as a 4 seed even without DoC.

Well, to each his own.

But considering the fact that he's an optional char and less well-known than even Aeris, I don't think he can get much support from the casual voters...

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I think you guys are getting too optimistic about Master Chief's chances. Unless, Halo 2 makes him gain popularity around the WORLD, his improvement has a ceiling. He still won't get the votes outside of the X-Box nation. X-Box as a whole has to become more saturated throughout the world. It's definitely on the right track though. I just don't see Master Chief beating a character of Mario's stature. I think he's more of a threat to Snake.... Snake's gotten popularity off a few particular games. He can easily be replaced by Master Chief. Mario is always going to be there.... He's always going to stay buoyed by new games even if he decreases some.
---
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And Cloud hits 75%. This looks good for Vivi.

Cloud Strife 75% 30392
Squall Leonhart 25% 10133
---
I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Y Helo Thar SFF!

---
I am Lucid Faia.

Four people fell off the Top 50 today. Shdwdde, GanjaDank, SKIzlude and Master A did not have Solid Snake winning this match.

*cries*

I had a good run though.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

If Sephiroth gets SFF on Auron tomorrow, Vivi's going to look like a national hero. Think about the X-Sts for FF characters. Cloud, Sephiroth... then an endless pit... then Vivi. Wow.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

"But considering the fact that he's an optional char"

HK-47 was an optional character in a far, far less popular game, I have no doubt that Vincent's optional character status means absolutely nothing. I don't know why people keep brigning up that argument, but as it stands Sora looks as strong as Aeris did last year, that makes HK-47 at least Pac-Man's level... and really, KotOR isn't and never will be the force that FF7 is. As it stands, there is no reason to believe that Vincent will be hurt by being hidden, especially since it's easy to find in FAQs and it's the FF7 FAQs that made this site to begin with.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"Cloud, Sephiroth... then an endless pit... then Vivi. Wow."

You forgot Tidus. He still has a fairly great shot at outranking Vivi by a small margin.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Yeah, of course. But if Megaman is the same as last year, Vivi has it.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

I'd still call that a very big if. He doesn't even have to be as strong as Link to put Tidus over Vivi. I love Vivi, a lot, so I'd be happy to see Vivi doing that well... but it won't take much for Tidus to rank ahead of him, and Auron still might have a chance... though it's a lot less likely.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Chichiri... could you consider making an insane bracket, with totally off-balance seeding but awesome matches?

North Division

(1) Cloud
(5) Liquid Snake/(4) Vercetti
(3) Sephiroth
(2) Link

East Division
(1) Samus Aran
(5) Zero/(4) Crono
(6) Alucard/(3) Shadow the Hedgehog
(2) Solid Snake

South Division
(1) Mario
(4) Sonic
(6) Ryu (Street Fighter)/(3) Ganondorf
(2) Sora

West Division
(1) Mega Man
(5) Zelda/(4) Aeris
(6) Knuckles/(3) Frog
(2) Magus

The ****ed up seedings would allow for some very interesting four-packs, minimal SFF, and some new characters in the Elite Eight.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

Insane bracket, cool matches... I could consider it, I suppose. The bracket I'm making now just does its damnedest to avoid SFF.

As it is, and I'm far from done, I have set up Crono/Zero, Mario/Sonic, and Mega Man/Aeris. We'll see what else I come up with.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I'd like to see a Vivi/Ryu match, myself.
---
I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Nice, Chichiri. And I agree that Magus/Frog should be made. Though I would probably be disappointed when Magus won uncontested.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

It's time for me to be working on my predicted brackets for SC2K5 :D, personal bias might reign supreme as far as character entries and stuff.. but I think I could be right seeding wise for some of the guys.

Of course, you guys are the pros, so I wouldn't mind your opinions :)

Crush won't be in my predicted, for obvious reasons, though he simply is the best character in Wrestlefest. Raine will, though :)
---
SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush(WWF Wrestlefest) over Raine Sage!

Insane bracket, cool matches... I could consider it, I suppose. The bracket I'm making now just does its damnedest to avoid SFF.

If you do that, the next contest will be a dud.

As it is right now, the contest is VERY predictable.

An SFF free contest will make the next one much easier to predict.

That's why Ceej turned this contest into an SFF fest.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Squall's getting SFF'd badly... Luigi would have performed better IMO...

BTW, has anyone ever archive any of the past topics?
---
Vote in my Pseudo SpC2K5 bracket: boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16427732
Feat: C. Trigger, Mario 64, Doom 3, Sonic 2, MegaMan 2

It won't do anything to make the contest after it easier to predict. Frankly, as it is, it's the SFF matches that are easy to predict. They leave basically no room for an upset. As it is, a SFF free bracket is much, much harder to predict. Then, in terms of the year after... well, the XSt aren't exactly known to everybody. It'd make it easier for some, but not even a very large number of people, and it still can't predict changes between years or take into account anomalies in a given match. It will have very, very little effect on the next year just beause so few of the bracket makers even go out of their way to know what they are really doing.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

That's why Ceej turned this contest into an SFF fest.

ROFL. No it's not. Since WHEN has Ceej cared about the boards? He did this because he's too stupid to do it otherwise.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Cloud vs. Squall

Woke up, saw Cloud with around 72%.

Now he's up to 75%. Wow. Is there ever a match where Cloud DOESN'T look like a beast? I mean, he starts of slow, but he's been commanding the late morning/early-day vote so far in the Contest. Glad I have him as my winner. ^_^

And if Seph fails to SFF Auron, not nessacarily as much as today, but if he doesn't get some SFF, he's done next Round. Why? In order to beat Cloud, he would have to get some SFF on him. If he does another Vivi against Auron, then there's no way he'll get it on Cloud.
---
Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Squall - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (72/76)

Shadow, he did it for the fanbabies and the kiddies who think SFF matches and same game Hero-Villain matches are "cool"
---
Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
SC2K4: 71/80 Stupid idiot Snake fanboys!

Midgar Division: Round 3 - Match 54 – (3)Auron vs. (2)Sephiroth

Moltar’s Analysis

Auron - (>-_-)>()xxxxx[:::::::::::::::> <(O_O<)

Round 1 – vs. Scorpion (Auron: 64.85% - Scorpion: 35.15%)
Round 2 – vs. Ness (Ness: 34.96% - Auron: 65.04%)

Auron beats Ness down into the ground and easily moves onto Round 3.

Sephiroth - <==========<(x_x<)===============]xxxxx()<(^_^<)\\\

Round 1 – vs. Sly Cooper (Sephiroth: 86.37% - Sly: 13.63%)
Round 2 – vs. Vivi (Vivi: 29.75% – Sephiroth: 70.25%)

Sephiroth fails to SFF Vivi, but still beats the Black Mage by a good amount.

More possible Final Fantasy SFF? Yawn…this division is so boring. Oh well…

In 2003, Sephiroth was the third strongest character in the Contest, just inches behind Link and Cloud. Do you really think Auron has a chance to win? You shouldn’t, because he won’t. Can we just skip to Cloud/Sephiroth II already?

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sephiroth will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Auron 29% - Sephiroth 71%



Ulti's Analysis

I'd praise the hell out of both of these characters, but I'll save it for later. Funny how we get two Square losers on one side and two Square badasses on the other, no? As for the match, blah blah SFF blah blah.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Sephiroth/Sephiroth with 66.99%



Cena’s Analysis

I don't feel bad that Auron has to go up against Sephiroth, because I think that his cliched drunken ghost "bad-ass" character is absolutely stupid. Unfortunately, Auron is twice as popular as Squall and Sephiroth has no chance against Cloud. Thus, Auron could get 30% on Sephy, and I'm counting on it. Just another case of SFF though, ladies and gentlemen.

Cena’s Vote: Neither

Cena’s Prediction: Sephiroth with 70%

---
Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Squall - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (76/80)

ROFL. No it's not. Since WHEN has Ceej cared about the boards? He did this because he's too stupid to do it otherwise.

I would think 7 times before saying that.

He owns this board mind you...

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Okay, so here's what I've cooked up. Didn't spend excess amounts of time on it, and I'm sure it shows. Went with a few guidelines to start with.

First, anyone who had made a sweet sixteen appearance in any contest was automatically included with only one exception, and that was Scorpion being replaced with Sub-Zero.

The next guideline was that no character without a win under their belt was allowed in unless they are new entries or soemthing is going to happen between now and the next contest to give them a boost (that's mostly for Gordon).

the third guidline was, if the character was placed 14th or higher would they have a very legitimate chance of beating CATS? If not, then they clearly iddn't belong in such a place. Every piece of absolute fodder is seeded 15 or 16. Some low-level fodder has to make every contest, it's a simple fact, but I made a good attempt to keep them where they belong.

Other than those things I did a lot to give the characters as close to "authentic" feeling seedings as possible, which explains Ryu Hayabusa still getting a higher seed than he probably deserves. Although I went for a bit of an authentic feel I also incorporated actual strength into the process and kept new entries from being placed too highly, both things that I wish Ceej would do.

1 Link
16 Mai Shiranui

8 Frog
9 Ryu

5 Auron
12 DK

4 Tidus
13 Lara

6 Vivi
11 Duke Nukem

3 Zero
14 Shinobi

7 Luigi
10 Ghaleon

2 Crono
15 Jin Kazama



1 Seph
16 Toad

8 Tommy Vercetti
9 Sub-Zero

5 Dante
12 Geno

4 Bowser
13 Claire Redfield

6 Ryu Hayabusa
11 Peach

3 Ganon
14 Samanosuke

7 Yoshi
10 Chun-li

2 Snake
15 James Sunderland



1 Cloud
16 NiGHTS

8 Kirby
9 KOS-MOS

5 Master Chief
12 Locke

4 Shadow
13 Gordon Freeman

6 Alucard
11 Viewtiful Joe

3 Magus
14 Dizzy

7 Vincent
10 Nightmare

2 Samus
15 Raiden



1 Mega Man
16 Pac-Man

8 Knux
9 Serge

5 Zelda
12 Jill Valentine

4 Aeris
13 MewTwo

6 Sora
13 Strider

3 Sonic
14 Bomberman

7 Squall
10 Leon Belmont

2 Mario
15 Beat
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Part of my belief in Frog stems from my thought that Magus is not the main villain. He is just as much a sidekick in the game as Frog is.

It doesn't matter whether he's a sidekick or a villain, what matters is that he's more popular than Frog. I really think you're letting your personal preferences blind you. I'd gladly bet money on Magus in a Magus/Frog match.
---
Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 76/80
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Cloud with 73%

Can someone point me in the direction of that tournament that was running on this board featuring snubs from all of the contests, or just post about 10-15 commonly mentioned rejects? I'm running short at about six and that's quite poor.
---
Jon Thomson - today: Solid Snake, tomorrow: Cloud - 68/76
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

I think it's gone. Just name how you have already, how many slots are open, and what sort of balance you're trying to make and I'll throw some names out. I've spent a lot of time listening to who thinks what character need to be in the contest.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I have 12 slots, and already have Ridley, Dr. Wily, Vincent, Geno, Kerrigan and Ghaleon.
---
Jon Thomson - today: Solid Snake, tomorrow: Cloud - 68/76
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

jon: http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=77859&tclass=

That's mine (I'm still working on Round 1 writeups, so it's not done yet), and I'm sure there are a few you could see from there. It's not perfect, but I hope it helps you.
---
Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

Some good choices so far, then. I would put in Serge, most likely, because Ceej himself implied that he was one of the characters that got cap'd along with Zelda, Geno and others... IIRC. Also, I still say Sigma may be the best choice for Mega Man characters. Leon may prove to be a decent choice. I doubt he's any better than Jill, very heavily in fact, but he's been in one RE and is set to be in another. CJ will probably be almost as big as Tommy. Banjo is always underrated, in case you want another platformer to fill a low spot from a long tiem snub, or Kameo if you want more new characters.

That's four or five choices there. Also, people still wonder why Samanosuke hasn't made it, and Terra has fair support (trying to get a range of FF6 characters to permeate through out all of the different 2k5 brackets).
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

He owns this board mind you...

And thanks to great justice, he allows us to say these things about him. I have great respect for him as a site owner, but he really doesn't know what is a good bracket. CJayC doesn't use the X-Stats.

---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

Frog as an 8-seed? A travesty!

Come to think of it, a Sora/Frog matchup would be quite interesting. Or even Frog/Vivi.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

1 Mega Man
16 Pac-Man

8 Knux
9 Serge

5 Zelda
12 Jill Valentine

4 Aeris
13 MewTwo

6 Sora
13 Strider

3 Sonic
14 Bomberman

7 Squall
10 Leon Belmont

2 Mario
15 Beat

^^^ This division is buttsecksy good.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

Possible FF6 reps:

Terra (obviously)
Celes (obviously)
Lettuce Kefka wtf
Sabin
Shadow
Mog (Believe it... cuteness factor.)
Cyan? I dunno...

---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

I say bring on Mega Man. Squall would do better than Tidus did.

Not a chance. He would do even worse than Tidus did.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I'm only up to page 20 or so, so this may have been addressed, not likely though:
I think this simply shows that the fanbase between liquid and solid isn't that much different. And why would it be that different? Liquid is strong. MC shouldn't have come so close (whats the site, bungie.net? had that not been spammed, frog/liquid >> MC).

It wasn't spammed that much at all. Everyone pointed to what was it, one link on the forums that really couldn't have had much of an impact, and I really have no problems with repeating this over and over and over again.
---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Aeris can increase a couple of points because of a bit role in a movie. We know she's in it, we don't know why, but with Aeris already ahead of Ryu it might put the win out of reach for the Street Fighter.

Aeris' role in the movie at the time is pretty much to console Cloud during his time when he feels completely down. She shouldn't have a prominent role in the movie, but she'll be there nonetheless. At the same time, however, Ryu should get the full potential from SFAC for the PS2 and then later on the Xbox in January.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

It wasn't spammed that much at all. Everyone pointed to what was it, one link on the forums that really couldn't have had much of an impact, and I really have no problems with repeating this over and over and over again.

Yeah. Obviously there was NO relationship between that and the beginning of the comeback.

It caused at least a hundred votes or so. Liquid is stronger than Master Chief. I would bet my account on it.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

I doubt he's any better than Jill, very heavily in fact, but he's been in one RE and is set to be in another.

That brand-new Resident Evil is exactly what I can see making him stronger than Jill. Considering how big a game that is and well it should sell, Leon being in the contest seems very likely to me; he should even rank high.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Switch MM with Samus, she's more deserving than him, at least based on their performance so far in this contest.

The only way she'd be more deserving of a #1 seed is if she did better against Cloud than Mega Man did against Link; beat Cloud while Mega Man didn't beat Link; and finally beat Mega Man in the finals.


I don't see any of those happening.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Now that I'm caught up I can finally express my opinion on today's match....


Kick ass Cloud! I went for a nice 75% last night and looks like he hit and then some! Great to see such a superior character putting an inferior character in his place.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I really think Terra would be the best representative for FFVI. Either way, there's probably a stronger character than Kefka because the villain is generally the 2nd strongest.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Great to see such a superior character putting an inferior character in his place.

...What did I ever do to you?
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Nothing. I just felt like messing around with you when you read that. ;)


I don't hate Squall, but you know I like Cloud so I just threw it in there to mess with you. Heh.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

If Ridley once again appears in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes, does he deserve a shot at a 12 or 13 seed more than some returners?

I like Cloud, too, but I don't like the results. It's all so disheartening. Blah.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

You didn't have to do anything... Frankly a large number of people think Cloud is far better than Squall, and I'm not one to disagree.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

The only way she'd be more deserving of a #1 seed is if she did better against Cloud than Mega Man did against Link; beat Cloud while Mega Man didn't beat Link; and finally beat Mega Man in the finals.


I don't see any of those happening.

Me neither.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

Ridley already deserves a spot as it is.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Ridley deserving a spot isn't fact. Frankly, I'm not too sure Ridley would do all that well.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

But I think he'd do decent as a 13-14-seed.
---
SC2K4 Status - Points: 072/080 - Matches: 48/52 - Rank: 00689/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

First this:
15 Jin Kazama

eh, if you want to put in a Tekken character, I think it should be Nina Williams.She does have her own game coming out + she's from tekken, though at 15, she might not be able to do much, but then again, she might not be able to do much anyways.

And, actually, you're right! There was no relation between master chief's comeback because that topic was made the night before the match. How do I know? My friend is an x-box fanboy and he made it. Its just that this board, in general, doesn't want Master Chief to do well, and, that comeback was simply his. It was on the forums, not even the main site. And if I sound snippy,its only because I'm sick of this coming up as if Master Chief's comeback was cheated, and it really wasn't, its nothing against you personally.

And also, in more halo related news, ilovebees is about Halo, hm. It always was and still is. It is very much still active, and its currently in the process of payphones ringing across the counrty.
---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

OK, try this one out. I've set it up so that the 1-8 seeds are loosely based on past contest performance, whereas the 9-16 seeds are a mix of new blood and contest veterans not good enough to get a decent seed, and have avoided repeat match ups and SFF matches as much as I could, although I could have slipped up with some RPG characters where I don't know the game that they're from, and maybe in a couple of first round matches. Here goes:

(1) Link
(16) Sam Fisher
(8) Jill Valentine
(9) Sarah Kerrigan
(5) Auron
(12) Terra
(4) Aeris
(13) Chun-Li
(6) Tidus
(11) Ghaleon
(3) Squall
(14) Duke
(7) Frog
(10) Zidane
(2) Solid Snake
(15) Locke

(1) Sephiroth
(16) Winner of CATS/Gordon Freeman playoff
(8) Luigi
(9) Zelda
(5) Bowser
(12) Max Payne
(4) Dante
(13) Ryu Hayabusa
(6) Scorpion
(11) Dr. Wily
(3) Ryu
(14) Ness
(7) Sora
(10) Vincent
(2) Crono
(15) Lara Croft

(1) Cloud
(16) Ryo H
(8) Kirby
(9) Shadow the Hedgehog
(5) Zero
(12) Grey Fox
(4) Yoshi
(13) Tails
(6) Knuckles
(11) Serge
(3) Magus
(14) Crash
(7) Donkey Kong
(10) Pac-Man
(2) Samus
(15) Kefka

(1) Mega Man
(16) Vyse
(8) Vivi
(9) Geno
(5) Master Chief
(12) KOS-MOS
(4) Alucard
(13) Bomberman
(6) Ganondorf
(11) Liquid Snake
(3) Sonic
(14) Ridley
(7) Tommy Vercetti
(10) Sub-Zero
(2) Mario
(15) Fox McCloud
---
Jon Thomson - today: Solid Snake, tomorrow: Cloud - 68/76
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

The only way she'd be more deserving of a #1 seed is if she did better against Cloud than Mega Man did against Link; beat Cloud while Mega Man didn't beat Link; and finally beat Mega Man in the finals.

That's why I said, "based on their performance so far in this contest".

MM is projected to get roughly 48% on Cloud AT BEST, based on ONE match.

Samus is projected to get 60%+ on Cloud based on TWO back-to-back matches.

Honestly I'm skeptical of both, but so far all signs points to Samus > MM, at least in this contest.

But if you're going by 2003 X-stats, then obviously MM > Samus.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

(6) Tidus
(11) Ghaleon
(3) Squall
(14) Duke
(7) Frog
(10) Zidane
(2) Solid Snake
(15) Locke

Solid vs Frog AND Solid vs Squall? Please.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

"Solid vs Frog AND Solid vs Squall? Please."

You mena Snake vs Frog and Snake vs. Tidus.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Samus is projected to get 60%+ on Cloud based on TWO back-to-back matches

From a purely bias view.. That just seems utterly wrong!
But surely there's no way that's happening... =)

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

You mena Snake vs Frog and Snake vs. Tidus.

Actually, I'm pretty sure I said Solid and Squall. =X

But why does Tidus have the 6 and Squall the 3? Shouldn't it be reversed?
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

"Actually, I'm pretty sure I said Solid and Squall. =X"

And I'm pretty sure you meant Solid and Tidus. :)
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I can't see Tee-dus benefiting from SFF ever. Besides, Squall's pretty leet.

...

Yeah, well...
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

And I can't see Squall beating Tidus, SFF or no.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

From a purely bias view.. That just seems utterly wrong!
But surely there's no way that's happening... =)

I know, that's why I said I was skeptical.

Just for fun, if you assume both Lara and Sam to be constant, the X-stats does predict Samus breaking 60% on Cloud based on both matches.

Not that it can possibly happen, but that's really what the X-stats predicted.

---
Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

http://halo.bungie.org/newsarchive.html

"I hate these things... but I hate the flood of email worse. Go vote in the GameFAQs Character Battle today; the Master Chief is up against Frog, from Chrono Trigger, and he's currently losing. If you go, though, maybe the flood of emails will stop. Thanks! (Louis Wu 14:31:47 UTC)"

It was posted more or less just before Master Chief began his comeback. And yes I realize that this is not the Official Bungie site.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Thank you TRE, I knew he was full of **** with his claim of the timing of the post but I didn't have the link anymore. I was looking for it.
---
Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Thank you TRE, I knew he was full of **** with his claim of the timing of the post but I didn't have the link anymore. I was looking for it.

Actually he wasn't. I think he was refering to a different instance of spamming.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Solid vs Frog AND Solid vs Squall? Please.

Oops, overlooked that Frog-Snake happened just the other day. Swap Frog and Tommy Vercetti round then. Also overlooked the Solid-Squall match in 2002, but if I move Squall to another division, I'd have to either break up the Sonic-Mario match, have a repeat of Squall-Samus or break up Ryu-Scorpion which is a match I'd like to see, even if it should be an easy Ryu win. But this assumes Squall would get as far as Snake, which you clearly doubt:

But why does Tidus have the 6 and Squall the 3? Shouldn't it be reversed?

Squall's made the last 16 the last two years and Tidus hasn't made it ever. I didn't use the extrapolateds at all for this.
---
Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Sephiroth - 72/80
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Squall's made the last 16 the last two years and Tidus hasn't made it ever. I didn't use the extrapolateds at all for this.

...Have you seen Tidus's opponents?
---
Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Squall - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (76/80)

That's why I said, "based on their performance so far in this contest".

The only way I'd use this contest, thus far, for the basis on the next one would be under the conditions I previously stated. Overall, there's no reason for someone to give Samus a #1 seed over Mega Man until there's a reason for it.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

My comments on Chichiri's bracket:


1 Link
16 Mai Shiranui

8 Frog
9 Ryu

They both seem low, but it's a good match.

5 Auron
12 DK

4 Tidus
13 Lara

I think Tidus/Auron would be a dud, but I could be wrong.

6 Vivi
11 Duke Nukem

3 Zero
14 Shinobi

Vivi/Zero would be interesting, at least, and Crono/Zero would be cool.

7 Luigi
10 Ghaleon

Damn you for giving me hope that Ghaleon could win a match!

2 Crono
15 Jin Kazama

1 Seph
16 Toad

8 Tommy Vercetti
9 Sub-Zero

Nice match.

5 Dante
12 Geno

4 Bowser
13 Claire Redfield

Dante/Bowser would be a great match.

6 Ryu Hayabusa
11 Peach

I don't think Hayabusa deserves a 6.

3 Ganon
14 Samanosuke

Ganon/Snake! Woo!

7 Yoshi
10 Chun-li

2 Snake
15 James Sunderland

Who?

1 Cloud
16 NiGHTS

8 Kirby
9 KOS-MOS

Don't think Kirby would have too much trouble with this one.

5 Master Chief
12 Locke

Master Chief (Halo 2)/Shadow would rock. Poor Locke.

4 Shadow
13 Gordon Freeman

GFNW

6 Alucard
11 Viewtiful Joe

Curse you!

3 Magus
14 Dizzy

I want Magus/Sonic!

7 Vincent
10 Nightmare

Vincent seems a little low, but it's understandable

2 Samus
15 Raiden

I thought you said Raiden could impress people? He won't here.

1 Mega Man
16 Pac-Man

8 Knux
9 Serge

Ouch.

5 Zelda
12 Jill Valentine

4 Aeris
13 MewTwo

Everybody likes Zelda/Aeris!

6 Sora
13 Strider

3 Sonic
14 Bomberman

7 Squall
10 Leon Belmont

Squally seems awfully low.

2 Mario
15 Beat

Mario/Sonic! Huzzah!
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

And since this is probably going to be slow until Samus/Sora, and bracket posting is all the rage, here's another iteration of my bracket:

RPGuy96's mock SC2k5 bracket, version 2.0

(1) Link
(16) Ryu (Breath of Fire)
(8) Kefka
(9) Luigi

(4) Zero
(13) Nightmare
(5) Aeris
(12) Jak

(3) Ganondorf
(14) Dr. Wily
(6) Frog
(11) Raiden

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda
(15) Bomberman
(2) Snake

(1) Sephiroth
(16) CATS
(8) Kirby
(9) Ken Masters

(4) Shadow
(13) Strider
(5) Auron
(12) Sigma

(3) Vincent
(14) MewTwo
(6) Dante
(11) Geno

(7) Yoshi
(10) Tails
(15) Toad
(2) Mega Man

(1) Cloud
(16) Eliwood (Fire Emblem)
(8) Sora
(9) Leon Kennedy

(4) Tidus
(13) Fox McCloud
(5) Squall
(12) Sub Zero

(3) Crono
(14) Sam Fisher
(6) Alucard
(11) Liquid Snake

(7) Viewtiful Joe
(10) Ness
(15) Chun-Li
(2) Samus

(1) Mario
(16) Gordon Freeman
(8) Terra
(9) Kerrigan

(4) Ryu
(13) Ghaleon
(5) Master Chief
(12) Morrigan

(3) Magus
(14) Ryu Hayabusa
(6) Vivi
(11) Tommy Vercetti

(7) Knuckles
(10) Donkey Kong
(15) Princess Peach
(2) Sonic

Commentary welcome!
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

One way or another, you're setting up one of my favorite characters to get SFF'd by Cloud in the Sweet Sixteen. Not cool. If you want to keep Squall-Tidus in the 2nd round, I'd switch their 4 pack with the one in Mario's division.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Point taken. I just switched that around, and I didn't notice I stuck them in with Cloud.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

By the way, what picture do you think we'll get tomorrow? One-winged Sephiroth vs. Shades-less KHII Auron, or shirtless Sephiroth vs. FFX Auron?

By the way, I'm predicting a 65/35 match tomorrow, since that seems to be the thing Auron does. That's roundabout what the percentage would've been had Auron not been SFF'd by Cloud last year.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

(16) Winner of CATS/Gordon Freeman playoff

What, are you trying to destroy the world or something? Gordon Freeman might actually win that playoff.
---
Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 76/80
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Cloud with 73%

But it's insignificant because it's like a play-in game, pre-tournament stuff. Freeman still doesn't advance past the first round, and this is the only chance we'd ever have to see him face CATS.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

RPGuy - Switch Cloud and Mega Man; then switch Cloud and Seph. Also both Liquid and Alucard are underseeded. Make them 3 and 6 seeds and have it be a 2 point match.
---
Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches - Glenn, thou hath not fail'd me.

I think Cloud and Seph deserve to be in separate divisions, and I did give them Mega Man and Samus to deal with. Also, I don't really have any 3/6 matches available, and I don't think either one deserves to be a 3 seed. I'm keeping it as is for a potential upset special.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Ill look over it again RPG :P

1) Link
(16) Ryu (Breath of Fire)

(8) Kefka
(9) Luigi

You already have one representitive from FFVI in Terra, we really dont need one more. I actually suggest putting Terra here then putting RIDLEY againist Kerrigan.

(4) Zero
(13) Nightmare

(5) Aeris
(12) Jak

(3) Ganondorf
(14) Dr. Wily

(6) Frog
(11) Raiden

Raiden is overranked

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda

I can fix this problem switch VJ with Zelda. Zelda is much more deserving of the seed.

(15) Bomberman
(2) Snake

(1) Sephiroth
(16) CATS

(8) Kirby
(9) Ken Masters

Actually I suggest switching Ken Masters with Geno, but I be afraid of some SFF.

(4) Shadow
(13) Strider
(5) Auron
(12) Sigma

(3) Vincent
(14) MewTwo

I still think Vincent is overrated

(6) Dante
(11) Geno

(7) Yoshi
(10) Tails
(15) Toad
(2) Mega Man

(1) Cloud
(16) Eliwood (Fire Emblem)

I think Lyn would be better.

(8) Sora
(9) Leon Kennedy

(4) Tidus
(13) Fox McCloud

Fox is getting a new game before this contest.

(5) Squall
(12) Sub Zero

(3) Crono
(14) Sam Fisher
(6) Alucard
(11) Liquid Snake

Wow LS is hugely unranked. You have to put him near MC and Frogs rank

(7) Viewtiful Joe
(10) Ness

(15) Chun-Li
(2) Samus

Okay we already have 2 SF characters. How about you switch Chun-Li with a Suikoden IV character. Whichever is most popular when it comes out.

(1) Mario
(16) Gordon Freeman
(8) Terra
(9) Kerrigan

(4) Ryu
(13) Ghaleon
(5) Master Chief
(12) Morrigan

(3) Magus
(14) Ryu Hayabusa

Switch Ryu with Sub-Zero

(6) Vivi
(11) Tommy Vercetti

Once again put CJ here.

(7) Knuckles
(10) Donkey Kong
(15) Princess Peach
(2) Sonic

http://halo.bungie.org/newsarchive.html

"I hate these things... but I hate the flood of email worse. Go vote in the GameFAQs Character Battle today; the Master Chief is up against Frog, from Chrono Trigger, and he's currently losing. If you go, though, maybe the flood of emails will stop. Thanks! (Louis Wu 14:31:47 UTC)"

Can someone tell me what time 14:31:47 corresponds to gfaqs time? whats the utc?
---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Cloud breaks 76%...
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Nobody cares.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Just checked the poll and Cloud broke 76% ... I am not sure whether to be happy or sad.. =/

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

I hate THIS MATCH.

I hate Link vs Yoshi!

We still dont know how strong they are comparatively yet, because of Link having 2 SFF matches and Cloud's SFF match here.

I do, Leonheart. =p
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

*comforts leonhart*
---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Just out of curiousity, what would Sephiroth have been expected to get on Mario in 2002?
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So do we have any real storylines until Samus vs Sora?

I mean Sephiroth better SFF Auron, but even if he does it doesnt seem like he has a shot againist Cloud.

Unless Sonic vs Dante is close, there's nothing there.

Thanks for proving my point.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

2002 Sephiroth would get 56.78% against a 2002 Mario.
2003 Sephiroth would get 62.31% against a 2002 Mario.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

How is Sephiroth so much stronger than Cloud in 2002?

Was that all PGC boost?

I can safely say that Cloud will be Sephiroth this year again.. I don't see Sephiroth abling to break 76% on Squall...

And who's stronger on a one-on-one match? Squall or Auron?

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Thanks Squall, now Kirby looks weak in the rankings.

First Ganon, then Shadow, then Yoshi, now Kirby.

It's not fair....
---
Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Squall - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (76/80)

You already have one representitive from FFVI in Terra, we really dont need one more. I actually suggest putting Terra here then putting RIDLEY againist Kerrigan.

I'm of the opinion that FFVI deserves two reps, and I want to see how Terra does.

Raiden is overranked

Raiden got his ass SFF'd by Solid Snake. He might not deserve an 11, but I want to see what he can do.

I can fix this problem switch VJ with Zelda. Zelda is much more deserving of the seed.

I suppose that would work, but it leads to Zelda/Ness SFF.

I still think Vincent is overrated

Actually, he used to be a 5 and I bumped him up to a 3. Why? I think Vincent/Dante is a better match than Vincent/Zero, especially when pretty much everybody said Zero would win that one. Besides, this way the Curse of the 3 Seed has a chance to continue.

Wow LS is hugely unranked. You have to put him near MC and Frogs rank

Yes, he is. He's my upset special against Alucard. I'm considering switching the seeds, given how horrible Alucard will look in the unadjusted stats this year.

Okay we already have 2 SF characters. How about you switch Chun-Li with a Suikoden IV character. Whichever is most popular when it comes out.

I think Chun-Li can do better than a Suik IV character, but I could be wrong. We'll see when the game comes out.

Switch Ryu with Sub-Zero

Sure, but may I ask why? Neither one has a chance to win their matches.

Once again put CJ here.

Forgot about that. Sorry.

Thanks for the input, again. ;)
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

First Ganon, then Shadow, then Yoshi, now Kirby.

That's what happens when they face the elites or SFF is involved... =/

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

How is Sephiroth so much stronger than Cloud in 2002?

Was that all PGC boost?

Well, Seph faced Link directly, and did pretty good.

Cloud on the other hand, lost to Mario, who got beat pretty bad against Link, making Cloud look weaker than he is.
---
Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Squall - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (76/80)

2002 Sephiroth would get 56.87% against a 2002 Cloud.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Vincent should prove to be around a 3-5 seed whenever he enters into the contest.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Yes, but who would you take in Vincent/Dante?
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Honestly, I'd be torn after DMC3 being released along with Advent Children. That's just not fair. <<
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

My point exactly.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

I just hope DoC will be hit instead of a dud... I wonder why the genre hasn't been stated yet?..? .. From the pictures so far, the game just look too much like Devil May Cry.. Vincent is starting to look like a rip off of Dante..

Now.. I am not bashing Vincent or anything because he's one of my main characters in Final Fantasy VII.. He's awesome to use...

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

The genre of Dirge of Cerberus should be announced at the Tokyo Game Show this weekend.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

That should be interesting...

---
SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Sephiroth

UTC = GMT Gamefaqs time = GMT - 8
---
In other news, Fett0001 is my second God. Right behind lettuce Kefka. - UltimaterializerX

ty : )
---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

2002 Sephiroth would get 56.78% against a 2002 Mario.

Ah. I was wondering how Crono had done in his match against Mario. So based on that, what would Crono be expected to get on Link, since he was strong enough to get a 53.24% on Mario... And just assume that Mario is the same as in 2002....

Around 40%, then?
---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"I hate these things... but I hate the flood of email worse. Go vote in the GameFAQs Character Battle today; the Master Chief is up against Frog, from Chrono Trigger, and he's currently losing. If you go, though, maybe the flood of emails will stop. Thanks! (Louis Wu 14:31:47 UTC)"

2004-09-09 14:31:43 27021 25980 50.98% 49.02% 1041

now, unless I'm missing something, which I have a feeling I am, this is where the match was at the time when he posted that. And by this time, MC had already come back by 1369 votes, about. So, the comeback had been in progress for some time, but again, I just feel like I botched up somewhere.



TRE, thank you so much for defending me, and rightly at that, samurai I don't know why you had to be so aggressive, I am pretty sure he made it that night, its possible he didn't though, bungie.net is down, so he can't check just yet.


---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

The Contest is run based on Pacific Time. 14:31:47 UTC = 7:31:47am PST. So the news update was made about 4 hours before Frog's lead started to decrease. But it may have increased the rate of Frog's slowdown, you have to examine the data more closely to find out.
---
"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Rate my Spring Contest 2005 potential bracket. Quite a few of the seedings are based on hype, so I took that into account. I also took the liberty of "retiring" FFVII because it is the only game that could ever win on GameFAQs.

North

(1)Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
(16)Zero Wing

(8)Star Fox 64
(9)Doom 3

(5)Super Mario World
(12)Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow

(4)Kingdom Hearts
(13)Resident Evil

(6)Final Fantasy Tactics
(11)Super Mario Kart

(3)Super Mario Bros
(14)Conker’s Bad Fur Day

(7)Final Fantasy
(10)Mega Man 2

(2)Final Fantasy VI
(15)Duke Nukem 3D

South

(1)Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
(16)Shaq Fu

(8)Fable
(9)Chrono Cross

(5)Metal Gear Solid 3
(12)Goldeneye

(4)Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
(13)Pac-Man

(6)Final Fantasy VIII
(11)Xenogears

(3)Final Fantasy IX
(14)Donkey Kong

(7)Super Metroid
(10)Earthbound

(2)Halo (2)**
(15)Secret of Mana

East

(1)Chrono Trigger
(16)Driv3r

(8)Ninja Gaiden (Xbox)
(9)Soul Calibur

(5)Mega Man X
(12)Pong

(4)Metal Gear Solid
(13)Skies of Arcadia

(6)Diablo II
(11)Half Life (2)**

(3)EverQuest
(14)Golden Sun: The Lost Age

(7)Super Mario 64
(10)Tetris

(2)Legend of Zelda
(15)Disgaea: Hour of Darkness

West

(1)Super Smash Bros Melee
(16)Earthworm Jim

(8)Devil May Cry
(9)Street Fighter II

(5)Final Fantasy X
(12)Metroid

(4)Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
(13)Warcraft III

(6)Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(11)Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(3)Starcraft
(14)Mortal Kombat

(7)Sonic 3 & Knuckles
(10)Tales of Symphonia

(2)Super Mario Bros 3
(15)Suikoden II

**: If Halo 2 actually comes out on time. If not, it will be just Halo. Same goes for Half Life.
---
I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

The Contest is run based on Pacific Time. 14:31:47 UTC = 7:31:47am PST

Ty, tre, I just knew that something had to be wrong, cause I didn't think you would have posted something that wasn't right : )

hmm, but still that's a full four hours before a comeback started, its not thaaaaat long, but at the same time, its not that short either.

---
Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

The Contest is run based on Pacific Time. 14:31:47 UTC = 7:31:47am PST

Ty, tre, I just knew that something had to be wrong, cause I didn't think you would have posted something that wasn't right : )

hmm, but still that's a full four hours before a comeback started, its not thaaaaat long, but at the same time, its not that short either.

That's where I come in. Here's the updates around that time

05:00 | Frog | 06453 | +0418 | 55.14% | Master Chief | 05250 | +0363 | 44.86% | Lead of 1203 | (Up 055)
05:15 | Frog | 06844 | +0391 | 55.26% | Master Chief | 05542 | +0292 | 44.74% | Lead of 1302 | (Up 099)
05:30 | Frog | 07287 | +0443 | 55.09% | Master Chief | 05941 | +0399 | 44.91% | Lead of 1346 | (Up 044)
05:45 | Frog | 07648 | +0361 | 54.82% | Master Chief | 06303 | +0362 | 45.18% | Lead of 1345 | (Down 001)
06:00 | Frog | 08084 | +0436 | 54.74% | Master Chief | 06683 | +0380 | 45.26% | Lead of 1401 | (Up 056)
06:15 | Frog | 08488 | +0404 | 54.46% | Master Chief | 07099 | +0416 | 45.54% | Lead of 1389 | (Down 012)
06:30 | Frog | 08960 | +0472 | 54.50% | Master Chief | 07481 | +0382 | 45.50% | Lead of 1479 | (Up 090)
06:45 | Frog | 09451 | +0491 | 54.47% | Master Chief | 07901 | +0420 | 45.53% | Lead of 1550 | (Up 071)
07:00 | Frog | 09976 | +0525 | 54.40% | Master Chief | 08363 | +0462 | 45.60% | Lead of 1613 | (Up 063)
07:15 | Frog | 10427 | +0451 | 54.29% | Master Chief | 08778 | +0415 | 45.71% | Lead of 1649 | (Up 036)
07:30 | Frog | 11005 | +0578 | 54.39% | Master Chief | 09227 | +0449 | 45.61% | Lead of 1778 | (Up 129)
07:45 | Frog | 11501 | +0496 | 54.19% | Master Chief | 09723 | +0496 | 45.81% | Lead of 1778 | (Up 000)
08:00 | Frog | 12058 | +0557 | 54.03% | Master Chief | 10261 | +0538 | 45.97% | Lead of 1797 | (Up 019)
08:15 | Frog | 12537 | +0479 | 53.95% | Master Chief | 10700 | +0439 | 46.05% | Lead of 1837 | (Up 040)
08:30 | Frog | 13104 | +0567 | 53.73% | Master Chief | 11286 | +0586 | 46.27% | Lead of 1818 | (Down 019)
08:45 | Frog | 13654 | +0550 | 53.72% | Master Chief | 11761 | +0475 | 46.28% | Lead of 1893 | (Up 075)
09:00 | Frog | 14105 | +0451 | 53.72% | Master Chief | 12152 | +0391 | 46.28% | Lead of 1953 | (Up 060)
09:15 | Frog | 14696 | +0591 | 53.73% | Master Chief | 12654 | +0502 | 46.27% | Lead of 2042 | (Up 089)
09:30 | Frog | 15146 | +0450 | 53.66% | Master Chief | 13078 | +0424 | 46.34% | Lead of 2068 | (Up 026)
09:45 | Frog | 15577 | +0431 | 53.68% | Master Chief | 13443 | +0365 | 46.32% | Lead of 2134 | (Up 066)
10:00 | Frog | 16103 | +0526 | 53.67% | Master Chief | 13903 | +0460 | 46.33% | Lead of 2200 | (Up 066)
10:15 | Frog | 16624 | +0521 | 53.65% | Master Chief | 14361 | +0458 | 46.35% | Lead of 2263 | (Up 063)
10:30 | Frog | 17222 | +0598 | 53.63% | Master Chief | 14888 | +0527 | 46.37% | Lead of 2334 | (Up 071)
10:45 | Frog | 17554 | +0332 | 53.42% | Master Chief | 15306 | +0418 | 46.58% | Lead of 2248 | (Down 086)
11:00 | Frog | 18012 | +0458 | 53.54% | Master Chief | 15629 | +0323 | 46.46% | Lead of 2383 | (Up 135)
11:15 | Frog | 18467 | +0455 | 53.47% | Master Chief | 16068 | +0439 | 46.53% | Lead of 2399 | (Up 016)
11:30 | Frog | 18990 | +0523 | 53.34% | Master Chief | 16610 | +0542 | 46.66% | Lead of 2380 | (Down 019)
11:45 | Frog | 19524 | +0534 | 53.27% | Master Chief | 17129 | +0519 | 46.73% | Lead of 2395 | (Up 015)
12:00 | Frog | 20154 | +0630 | 53.05% | Master Chief | 17834 | +0705 | 46.95% | Lead of 2320 | (Down 075)
12:15 | Frog | 20842 | +0688 | 52.94% | Master Chief | 18525 | +0691 | 47.06% | Lead of 2317 | (Down 003)
12:30 | Frog | 21536 | +0694 | 52.75% | Master Chief | 19289 | +0764 | 47.25% | Lead of 2247 | (Down 070)
12:45 | Frog | 22232 | +0696 | 52.52% | Master Chief | 20101 | +0812 | 47.48% | Lead of 2131 | (Down 116)
13:00 | Frog | 22946 | +0714 | 52.33% | Master Chief | 20904 | +0803 | 47.67% | Lead of 2042 | (Down 089)


---
Summer 2004 Contest 69/80 Cloud vs. Squall

I also took the liberty of "retiring" FFVII because it is the only game that could ever win on GameFAQs.

stupid/10
---
***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 76/80, Next Winner: Cloud

is it just me or is sc2k4.com down?
---
In other news, Fett0001 is my second God. Right behind lettuce Kefka. - UltimaterializerX

It be down, yarr. Good thing I have my XS program.

Speaking of which, that should appear on sc2k4.com soon.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Been gone all day... and come back to this drubbing? It was under 72% this morning! Sorry Leonhart =(

Though I did say from day one that 77% was what I expected...
---
Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
SpC2k4: 172/192 Rank: T-136 SC2k4: 76/80 Rank: T-93

11:45 | Frog | 19524 | +0534 | 53.27% | Master Chief | 17129 | +0519 | 46.73% | Lead of 2395 | (Up 015)
12:00 | Frog | 20154 | +0630 | 53.05% | Master Chief | 17834 | +0705 | 46.95% | Lead of 2320 | (Down 075)

I don't think the afterschool vote is that strong (or is that when all the Bungie.net people came home)

---
Summer 2004 Contest 69/80 Cloud vs. Squall

8 Frog
9 Ryu

"They both seem low, but it's a good match."

Well, we already saw Ryu badly underseeded, and I thought Frog would have an interesting match agaisnt Ryu. Plus, there are so many powerful Square characters it's impossible to not underseed some.

"I think Tidus/Auron would be a dud, but I could be wrong."

Though it's a match I sorta wanna see it happen on accident, didn't even realize it 'til you said something.

"Vivi/Zero would be interesting, at least, and Crono/Zero would be cool."

Yeah, my htoughts exactly on both of those.

"Damn you for giving me hope that Ghaleon could win a match!"

I'd hope for it as well, and I love Luigi.

8 Tommy Vercetti
9 Sub-Zero

"Nice match."

I know. :)

"Dante/Bowser would be a great match."

Thought so myself, glad you agree.

"I don't think Hayabusa deserves a 6."

I don't think so either, but knowing how closely Ceej goes by nominations he'll likely have another high seed.

"Ganon/Snake! Woo!"

Glad I'm not the only one that thought it was cool.

15 James Sunderland

"Who?"

He's from Silent Hill 2. Basically, I couldn't find any games that provided competitive characters made by Konami other than Castlevania and MG

"Don't think Kirby would have too much trouble with this one."

WHo knows, with XS2

"Master Chief (Halo 2)/Shadow would rock. Poor Locke."

It might be a good match... thought I'd give it a try. And yeah, I do feel bad about having Locke lose to Master Chief...

"GFNW"

That's the idea.

"Curse you!"

I love Alucard and Viewtiful Joe. If one of my favorites has to be beaten he may as well get his ass kicked by Alucard.

"I want Magus/Sonic!"

I did too, but now I'm afraid... I'd hate to see Magus lose to Sonic, and I think he might.

"Vincent seems a little low, but it's understandable"

Yeah, Square is super strong, I wanted to give Vincent a chance to really surpise people. Beating Magus would do that.

"I thought you said Raiden could impress people? He won't here."

I actually just want to prove a point, and if he comes in and does better than Lara Croft against an improved Samus that would prove my point clearly. Plus his previous "poor" showing would limit his options unfairly, so a 15 was more realistic for him.

8 Knux
9 Serge

"Ouch."

A real bastardized match, right? In a sense you should pick Serge on principle, but then the board will tell you how hated CC is (Like FF9, right?) and how nobody likes Serge (like Tidus, right?) and after seeing Knux/Kefka I think a lot of people would miss this very easy match.

"Everybody likes Zelda/Aeris!"

I know, that's why I decided to throw it in there.

"Squally seems awfully low."

A lot of Squares do. Just happens to be they are all so strong and theres only a few spots open for upper level characters. Someone has to be screwed, and I was happy to make it Squall.

"Mario/Sonic! Huzzah!"

People have been asking for this match forever, I could hardly say no.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

If one of my favorites has to be beaten he may as well get his ass kicked by Alucard.

Joe would more than stand a chance against Alucard within the coming year.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

"I also took the liberty of "retiring" FFVII because it is the only game that could ever win on GameFAQs.

stupid/10"

I agree, that wasn't a good choice. It doesn't change the fact that our winner will be obvious, it just changes who the winner is. Unless every FF7 voter is somehow telepathically linked, figure it out, and rally behind another banner then OoT is auto-champ with FF7 gone. Then, if you take out OoT it's almost certainly CT, though at least then there is some chance. But, of course, there is nothing to warrent the removal of OoT, so FF7 can't go either.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I still don't think Viewtiful Joe would beat Alucard, even with his new game coming out. Joe would have to make a big leap up the extrapolated ladder.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

"Joe would more than stand a chance against Alucard within the coming year."

I love VJ, man, but Alucard has that one in the bag.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

HM, you sound nuttier with every passing day. Viewtiful Joe beat Alucard? Not unless he's appearing in KH2, he won't.
---
***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 76/80, Next Winner: Cloud

I love VJ, man, but Alucard has that one in the bag.

I disagree with that. He'll certainly have more time to get his name out between now and 2005. Viewtiful Joe has plenty of time to settle in on the PS2 and then Viewtiful Joe 2 on the PS2/GCN later this in November. It should certainly sell far more than the original did. Alucard wouldn't be a lock for that match at all if you ask me.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

You realize how big of a jump Viewtiful Joe has to make to catch Alucard, right?

Alucard got 43% on Ganondorf...Joe got 45% on Tails.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Viewtiful Joe beat Alucard? Not unless he's appearing in KH2, he won't.

A whole new game couldn't do it? News to me.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

That's like so weird even some Bungie.net voters voted for Frog. That explains his jump in vote gains and his drop back under 600 was about 1 hour before MC went below 600. It also looks like Bungie voters only lasted for 6 hours too
---
Summer 2004 Contest 69/80 Cloud vs. Squall

You realize how big of a jump Viewtiful Joe has to make to catch Alucard, right?

He has to go from ~21% to around 27%. That's roughly a 6% increase from a brand-new game and plenty of room to grow.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Are you going by Alucard's raw 2003 level, or have you increased him to match his performance against Ganondorf?
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Are you going by Alucard's raw 2003 level, or have you increased him to match his performance against Ganondorf?

I didn't bother to add his "increase" on Ganondorf. I'd rather wait until I could actually know for certain he jumped up three more percent from 2003.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Well, considering Kirby and Bomberman have done the same thing, it seems logical to go ahead and add it in there.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

He didn't really jump 3%, he was always at 30%. :) Joe is great, he just doesn't have it in him to go that far that fast.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

If you do take his "increase", or overperformance, against Ganondorf then Joe would have to raise by about ~8%.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Viewtiful Joe 2 just looks like a boring rehash of the original. Like most Capcom sequels.

It's not going to attract any new fans.
---
"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Viewtiful Joe 2 just looks like a boring rehash of the original. Like most Capcom sequels.

Please. Have you even bothered to check anything out on it at all? I could say the same thing about a lot of sequels.

It's not going to attract any new fans.

Oh of course not, let's excuse the fact it'll release on two systems as opposed to one; have far more advertising; and carry far more name than it previously had in October 2003. Doesn't look like anyone will be buying it that didn't buy the first. Spare me.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Okay, I put FFVII in and adjusted some seeds accordingly.

North

(1)Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
(16)Zero Wing

(8)Star Fox 64
(9)Doom 3

(5)Super Mario World
(12)Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow

(4)Kingdom Hearts
(13)Resident Evil

(6)Final Fantasy Tactics
(11)Super Mario Kart

(3)Super Mario Bros
(14)Conker’s Bad Fur Day

(7)Final Fantasy
(10)Mega Man 2

(2)Final Fantasy VI
(15)Duke Nukem 3D

South

(1)Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
(16)Shaq Fu

(8)Fable
(9)Chrono Cross

(5)Metal Gear Solid 3
(12)Goldeneye

(4)Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
(13)Pac-Man

(6)Final Fantasy VIII
(11)Xenogears

(3)Final Fantasy IX
(14)Donkey Kong

(7)Super Metroid
(10)Earthbound

(2)Super Smash Bros Melee
(15)Secret of Mana

East

(1)Final Fantasy VII
(16)Driv3r

(8)Diablo II
(9)Soul Calibur

(5)Mega Man X
(12)Pong

(4)Metal Gear Solid
(13)Skies of Arcadia

(6)EverQuest
(11)Half Life (2)**

(3)Halo (2)**
(14)Golden Sun: The Lost Age

(7)Super Mario 64
(10)Tetris

(2)Legend of Zelda
(15)Disgaea: Hour of Darkness

West

(1)Chrono Trigger
(16)Earthworm Jim

(8)Devil May Cry
(9)Street Fighter II

(5)Final Fantasy X
(12)Metroid

(4)Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
(13)Warcraft III

(6)Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(11)Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(3)Starcraft
(14)Mortal Kombat

(7)Sonic 3 & Knuckles
(10)Tales of Symphonia

(2)Super Mario Bros 3
(15)Suikoden II

**: If Halo 2 actually comes out on time. If not, it will be just Halo. Same goes for Half Life.
---
I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

I forgot to mention something. Mumei did 15 minute updates, and I've done those before. They're a real pain in the ass. Good work, man.
---
Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Viewtiful Joe would have to get near Dante's level before he could challenge Alucard. Alucard/Dante STILL would be up in the air. Viewtiful Joe lost to TAILS, who lost to Alucard. Viewtiful Joe has to do a lot of leveling up before he can hang with the big dawgs...
---
"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I forgot to mention something. Mumei did 15 minute updates, and I've done those before. They're a real pain in the ass. Good work, man.

If your talking about me I did like over half of the updates during the spring contest and I can tell you they were really long and boring
---
Summer 2004 Contest 69/80 Cloud vs. Squall

Mumei did a full chart on the Frog-Solid Snake match yesterday.
---
Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

not really he didn't do the last 3 hours or did he do it somewhere other then this topic
---
Summer 2004 Contest 69/80 Cloud vs. Squall

someone needs to put Cate Archer (No One Lives Forever) into the character contest.
---
<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

I just glanced over your bracket, but there are definitely games that are more worthy of a 2 seed than the original Legend of Zelda. I'd put StarCraft there.

And Sonic 3 & Knuckles deserves better than a 2nd round beatdown at the hands of Mario 3.
---
Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech

"but there are definitely games that are more worthy of a 2 seed than the original Legend of Zelda."

Not many.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Not many, but they're out there.
---
Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Matter of fact, I'd give Wind Waker a 2 seed before I would LoZ.
---
Tennessee Volunteers: #8, 2-0
Next game: Louisiana Tech (2-1)

Matter of fact, I'd give Wind Waker a 2 seed before I would LoZ.

Collector's Edition'D! I don't think that any of the favorite Zelda polls were held since it came out, and it surely helped the original's fanbase increase. At this point in time, I'd pick the original, but I'm not sure how well WW will sell after it goes Player's Choice. Don't forget that the original got SFF'd, either. We'll have a much better idea on whether WW will increase enough after seeing Christmas sales.

Settign aside my own bias in the matter I'd put LoZ ahead of WW>
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

In rankings I do believe that LoZ should be ahead of LoZ, but in a match between the two of them I say that WW has that match won
---
Summer 2004 Contest 69/80 Cloud vs. Squall

In rankings I do believe that LoZ should be ahead of LoZ,

that should be WW
---
Summer 2004 Contest 69/80 Cloud vs. Squall

Yeah, I think WW would win. I think older games/lesser known games ride the coattails of the more famous games here. Wind Waker is only a touch above the original in the adjusted XS, but I think it would be able to rack of significant SFF against LoZ.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Oh, and

9. LoZ: Wind Waker 37.29%
10. Halo: Combat Evolved 37.24%
11. Legend of Zelda 37.08%

That's adjusting for SFF in SMB3/LoZ (I think cn used 5%...not real sure on that). When you factor in possible FFVII/CT SFF, LoZ may be above WW, but I'd still pick WW in a matchup.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Yes, and while I can't even begin to estimate it, when you remove the cheat votes from SC in its match with SSBM it makes WW ever so slightly weaker. The two are just really damn close.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Viewtiful Joe 2 just looks like a boring rehash of the original. Like most Capcom sequels.

Please. Have you even bothered to check anything out on it at all? I could say the same thing about a lot of sequels.

Far as I can tell, all that's been added is a co-op mode and one new skill. If that's not rehash, I don't know what is.
---
"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Just noticed something weird.

Crono [Conker] would be expected to get 53.68% on Mario [2003].

The actual result was Crono with 53.24%. Not bad at all.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

Heh, and some peopel were trying to just chalk that up to margin of error.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Discussion is extremely slow right now. What a bore. who knows what the next two days' matches will do for the topic. Perhaps very little.

Well, here's to hoping some people on the top 50 picked Squall... yeah, right.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

There's not much to say about Cloud SFFing Squally.
---
Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Samus over Mega Man in the finals.

If someone top 50 has Frog someone could possibly have Squall too. You never know...although Auron over Sephiroth is probably more likely to be picked. There will be some drops tomorrow too b/c of messing up the chaos division. Not top50 but people like mastermage will be dropping even further.
---
Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 2008th place

Far as I can tell, all that's been added is a co-op mode and one new skill. If that's not rehash, I don't know what is.

Obviously you haven't bothered to check out much more than the basic's.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Viewtiful Joe would have to get near Dante's level before he could challenge Alucard. Alucard/Dante STILL would be up in the air.

I don't think it would be up in the air myself. I wouldn't have much of a problem putting Dante over Alucard without worrying on who would win.

Viewtiful Joe lost to TAILS, who lost to Alucard. Viewtiful Joe has to do a lot of leveling up before he can hang with the big dawgs...

Hence where I was talking about Viewtiful Joe on the PS2 settling in, Viewtiful Joe 2 on the PS2/GCN later in November, and just to spread his name out there an anime about him in all three major areas (Japan, North America, and Europe). You also have to consider how easy it would be for someone like him to go up. It won't take something as massive as a new Zelda to raise him up to what he needs. He has one game that has been released on the GCN; there's reason for him to go up.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I have high hopes that people will be dropping in the next 4 days at some point. Not enough to satisfy my tastes, of course, but someone has to screw up on these matches.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Due to me thinking Mario would win against Crono, something I didn't think could happen this year until the brackets were nearly closed, I only have 73 points at the moment.
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

"I wouldn't have much of a problem putting Dante over Alucard without worrying on who would win."

And I'd once again witness your bracket fall behind mine for your blind faith. When the day comes I hope you have a very good upset pick for the contest winner and get lucky, because you'll need it. Of course, if there are strong enough warning signs that you're missing when the time comes I'll hapily point htem out to you liek I did with Ness/Jak. :)
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I would have tried to tell you about that, too, but it would have no good. Either people listened to me or they didn't. All that my detractors did was to tell me games=/=characters, a fact I knew long before they did.
---
And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

That one wasn't a matter of missing knowledge. It was just the idea that if Mario had won and then I went against him it'd be terrible. Aside from that, I had Crono in my bracket all the way up to my last switch--three days before the brackets closed.


And who wouldn't take Dante after DMC3? A fool that's who. ;)
---
SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I forgot to mention something. Mumei did 15 minute updates, and I've done those before. They're a real pain in the ass. Good work, man.

Thank you. It actually takes only about 20 - 25 minutes if you go back through the updater and get them near the end of the match. For the last few updates that I didn't post before:

21:00 | Frog | 40008 | +0306 | 48.34% | Snake | 42761 | +0285 | 51.66% | Lead of 2753 | (Down 21)
21:15 | Frog | 40295 | +0287 | 48.36% | Snake | 43035 | +0274 | 51.64% | Lead of 2740 | (Down 13)
21:30 | Frog | 40548 | +0253 | 48.37% | Snake | 43284 | +0249 | 51.63% | Lead of 2736 | (Down 4)
21:45 | Frog | 40833 | +0285 | 48.40% | Snake | 43532 | +0248 | 51.60% | Lead of 2699 | (Down 37)
22:00 | Frog | 41062 | +0229 | 48.42% | Snake | 43747 | +0215 | 51.58% | Lead of 2685 | (Down 14)
22:15 | Frog | 41318 | +0256 | 48.46% | Snake | 43951 | +0204 | 51.54% | Lead of 2633 | (Down 52)
22:30 | Frog | 41519 | +0201 | 48.47% | Snake | 44135 | +0184 | 51.53% | Lead of 2616 | (Down 17)
22:45 | Frog | 41725 | +0206 | 48.50% | Snake | 44303 | +0168 | 51.50% | Lead of 2578 | (Down 38)
23:00 | Frog | 41912 | +0187 | 48.51% | Snake | 44479 | +0176 | 51.49% | Lead of 2567 | (Down 11)
23:15 | Frog | 42142 | +0230 | 48.57% | Snake | 44621 | +0142 | 51.43% | Lead of 2479 | (Down 88)
23:30 | Frog | 42297 | +0155 | 48.59% | Snake | 44745 | +0124 | 51.41% | Lead of 2448 | (Down 31)
23:45 | Frog | 42434 | +0137 | 48.60% | Snake | 44881 | +0136 | 51.40% | Lead of 2447 | (Down 1)
00:00 | Frog | 42563 | +0129 | 48.61% | Snake | 44992 | +0111 | 51.39% | Lead of 2429 | (Down 18)

He owned the last three hours. ;)


---
M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf