Another day, another stats topic. You guys are robots, I swear.

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

Creativename's Links Page:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

***Miscellaneous***

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Speaking of robots, how 'bout that Zero, huh?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

That is a very large number after "Part".
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Starcraft rocks my face so hard that I'm like, "Whoa...I'm me and Starcraft rocks my face...if I weren't me, I'd tell me to go buy Starcraft."

I'm glad for him. This is the first match I abstained on.
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Another day, another stats topic. You guys are robots, I swear.

01001111 01101000 00100000 01110011 01101000 01110101 01110100 00100000 01110101 01110000 00101110 00100000 00111011 00101001

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That's nothing. Pikadeath's Playhouse has had (supposely) 1400+ topics.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

If these contests keep going, we'll get that high. Do we have any celebration planned for 100??
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I think people are over-reacting about Snake's pic. Look at last year vs Ryu. That wasn't exactly the most flattering one either. Even back in 2002 when faced Aeris the sprite pic was in the background.

And did he have any trouble? No! People need to stop jumping at shadows and just let the match happen.
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I call it "Self Portrait in Late October"
I call it Last Place. Ding!

You couldn't even see the sprite pic that well in 2002. In 2003, Snake had a better sprite than he does now, and he was facing Dorothy and her ruby red slippers. Now Snake looks worse than ever before and he fades into the equally horrible background while squaring off with a frog wielding a sword.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

At least Snake didn't look like a piece of crap (literally) in his pic last year.

Not saying it's going to hurt him though.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Mega Man vs. Zero - Bracket: Mega - Vote: Mega (68/72)

If these contests keep going, we'll get that high. Do we have any celebration planned for 100??

100? We'll get there eventually, but we have 69 coming up soon.

*immature giggle*

Oh, and Zero's sprite is officially my favorite pic this contest, despite having never played a game with him in it. That sword-thing is ****ing awesome, and he just looks so badass. All I know is that as of now I must play as him and soon.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

sword-thing

Z-Sabre. It's pronounced Z-Sabre. ;)

40% for Frog!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

hmm, we might not have to worry about hitting one hundred though until after the offseason, and we know how exhilariting that was!
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

It's a shame one of my favorite characters will be losing to someone I really don't care for...

Aim for 40%, Frog!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

If ever was a picture wont to make a difference, let it be on the morrow.

If ever was a knight to emerge victorious, let it be Frog.

If ever there was justice, our brave hero has naught to fear of defeat.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

501st post and I still missed it.

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I am Lucid Faia.

At least you won't be getting a 3KL.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Heroic Viktor's first 500 post, and he is bested by two users. Drat. Anyways, like I was saying... go Frog!
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*is tnote827* "There are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics."

I'm expecting 40 for frog, not really looking forward to it, and I blame seven of you people for it, or really four, so damn to hell four of you that voted for frog.

You know what, I'm going to take a step further, I blame board 8, you're all horrible.

but yes, I think he will break 40.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Break 62%, Solid Snake.....
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Like I care about 3KLs or post counts. What I really want is for Lucid Faia to get out of purgatory.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Next year: we need Lettuce Kefka vs. Solid ****.
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BertTheOne | Contest Score: Too Damn Low
Lets sing along with our friends from Disney and Square-Enix.

When do you get out of purgatory? It's been quite a while.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I have no idea. It says "indefinite." I went in on 9/8, so it's been almost 15 days.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Actually FastFalcon, you only need to blame four of us. Four switched votes gives Master Chief the one vote victory. And I would be one of those four voters =)
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

I'm pushing as much as possible for 40%+ move from Frog tonight.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

The question isn't "when do you get out of purgatory", but in fact "has anyone ever gotten out of purgatory?"

Actually, I think I've heard of but one case where someone did. Expect your account to stay there for either several more months or forever.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Why exactly is an account put into purgatory, rather than just being altogether banned? Does CJayC derive some kind of additional utility from making one think their account may someday be reinstated? Or is there a less bastard-riffic reason?
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

BigCow of ffp fame was in purgatory, and he was released from it.

and also, I would think that Master Chief would do better than Frog against Solid Snake, if only because I can.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

There is simply no reinstatement from being banned, unless you were banned for being underage and prove otherwise. You can come back from purgatory, but it is exceptionally rare that it happens, if at all.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Er... I'm pretty sure every account comes back from purge, it just usually takes an EXCEPTIONALLY long time. However much karma you lost is how long you stay in purge, I believe.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I believe returning from purgatory is essentially based on whenever they damn well please, and not any set time unlike warned or suspended status.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Well, it looks like MM was at least able to keep Zero under 44%
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

*tag until I have something useful to say*
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

How did BC get put in Purgatory?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Hey Lucid, can you take a screen of Purgatory and show us what it looks like from your end? I don't plan on ever going there, so I'm curious as to what you see. Where does it tell you how long you'll be there?

As for Purgatory itself, people get out of it all the time. Usually, there is a time frame that is told to you.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

The question isn't "when do you get out of purgatory", but in fact "has anyone ever gotten out of purgatory?"

This was true when Purgatory was first created but not anymore. The first 3-4 sets of users who got Purgatory lost 150 Karma and stayed there until the current system was put in place. Now when your account was is put into Purgatory you should recieve a System Notification saying how much Karma you lose and how long you would stay in Purgatory.

Why exactly is an account put into purgatory, rather than just being altogether banned? Does CJayC derive some kind of additional utility from making one think their account may someday be reinstated? Or is there a less bastard-riffic reason?

It's between a Warning and a Suspension. If you continue to break the ToS after getting a few Warnings your account is suspended. CjayC then decides if you get put into Purgatory or Banned.

Most accounts come out of Purgatory. But if you continue to break the Tos while in Purgatory you will be Suspended again and probably banned.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I believe bc was there for some thing related to board invasion, or off topic board posting, something like that.


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blah blah broken poll blah blah 52.73% went with Mega blah blah go Frog.
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Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

I hope lots of people have Frog for the upset. That would be funny...when he loses.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 2470th place

And Frog jumped out to a 67/33 lead through 50 votes... and now at 400 votes, he is down. Thanks for playing. Just keep Solid under 60%. And it was cool voting to give Frog such a big lead. Word.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

That would be neat if this match stayed close all day, in true frog fashion.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 2470th place

Just watching Frog lead this makes it all worthwhile. I even voted Frog, despite having Snake in my bracket. I'd love to see some calamity.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

*Has frog going to the elite 8 in his bracket*
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10. Don't light her hair on fire. You might think it's funny, but she sure as hell won't! - Hinges's sex tip

Don't tune out yet sportsfans, the amphibians keepin' it close, for now.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Who has the better day performance?

Ya know what, at last check, Frog's still leading 312-306. I'm /very/ impressed. His early lead is lasting for more than a few minutes. Snake will win, but this is a very good showing.

Chalk it up to the pic? Not entirely, but it's certainly not helping.

Most joke board-8 leads dissipate before that. This'll be much closer than 60-40

/proclaims Frog "King of Drama"
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Overanalyzing Character Battles since 2002!

Score-Brackets-% Right
72----1--------100.0000000
71----8--------100.0000000
70----22-------100.0000000
69----70-------98.5714286
68----118------99.1525424
67----170------92.9411765
66----189------95.2380952
65----254------94.4881890
64----311------88.4244373
63----463------86.3930886
62----557------81.3285458
61----668------76.1976048
60----873------75.6013746
59----945------70.7936508
58----1207-----65.4515327
57----1276-----62.8526646
56----1573-----64.5263827
55----1679-----61.2864800
54----1823-----56.1711465
53----1893-----54.0940306
52----2008-----53.1374502
51----1944-----49.8456790
50----1851-----49.3787142
49----1759-----47.4133030
48----1668-----45.1438849
47----1379-----45.3226976
46----1317-----41.8375095
45----1157-----37.7700951
44----1070-----37.1028037
43----821------37.1498173
42----676------35.7988166
41----580------32.7586207
40----486------35.3909465
39----426------32.6291080
38----319------32.6018809
37----268------28.3582090
36----226------24.7787611
35----181------31.4917127
34----168------23.8095238
33----136------25.0000000
32----99-------35.3535354
31----106------18.8679245
30----71-------16.9014085
29----58-------20.6896552
28----38-------18.4210526
27----37-------18.9189189
26----29-------27.5862069
25----14-------7.1428571
24----22-------9.0909091
23----10-------20.0000000
22----8--------0.0000000
21----7--------14.2857143
20----5--------40.0000000

Nobody with a score of 19 or lower got the match right. Nobody fell off the Top 50 today.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Is Snake a big day time draw? I am not really sure. I know both characters are beasts during the night vote, and that Frog sucks like a two dollar ho during the day, but if Solid cannot take full advantage of that... 45% possible? Probably just a pipe dream.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

It says so in a system notification? Let me log in to LF and see if I have it.

...

Your account level has been set to 'Timed Suspension' for one || more major TOS violations. A karma penalty of 15 was assessed, and the account will be suspended for 60 days.

...God DAMMIT. This is the most unfair moderation ever. I shouldn't have been put in purgatory at all much less for 60 days. Meh. At least I'm a quarter of the way through it.

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I am Lucid Faia.

I wonder how many brackets would be killed with a Frog victory?
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Supporting Nintendo for this year's Summer Contest!

I don't think Snakes ever blown a 2400 vote lead, so for now we'll say Snake. That pic is truly horrible though, if Frog ever had a chance to win it'd be against an unrecognizable pic like that.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

What did you get moderated for?
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Well, remember in the Spring Finals, CT was actually /leading/ FFVII for awhile, before falling to a little over 41%

For those who will read the topic later, it's currently 435-431, in favor of Snake. Frog still over the 49% mark.
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Overanalyzing Character Battles since 2002!

A frog victory won't kill any brackets. If anyone within 4 to 6 points of perfect has frog winning it puts them in the race again, but it won't kill anyone except for the people who were out anyways.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 2470th place

I posted an ASCII of a certain major FF7 spoiler, in a topic called "FF7 spoilers inside."

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I am Lucid Faia.

Maybe Frog can be #10 this year? Of course, slight chance he could always win but nah...
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Even though Snake is pretty much guaranteed to win at this point, it's kind of weird how Snake really isn't doing much better than Liquid was at this point.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

ugh, i saw 999 and 1001 votes.

Anyway, Solid by either 10 or 12 at 1000 votes.
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Score: 67/72
Upcoming Picks: Megaman, Solid Snake

I posted an ASCII of a certain major FF7 spoiler, in a topic called "FF7 spoilers inside."

I see. Assuming you had a clean history, that does seem really harsh.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I don't know how the history thing works, to be honest. My history is not clean at all, but I only had one active moderation. That was for flaming, and it was actually overturned. I was modded for calling myself arrogant. >_>

I'm a LUEser, and my "months ago" moderation history is not clean, but considering that was my only moderation at the time for disruptive posting, you'd think a Warning would be more fair.

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I am Lucid Faia.

*Shudders at a thought that Liquid Snake = Solid Snake = MASTER CHIEF* Blasphemy!!!

We all know why Master Chief does better in the day... I don't think the same thing would apply for Solid. I don't really know his voting patterns though.

I just noticed something. Anyone else notice that Snake NEVER has any close matches? The past two contests, he's beat everyone without a problem before getting beat handily by Crono and Mega Man. The only gauge we have for Snake voters having any clutch is actually through LIQUID.... Weird.

Can we get a Snake vs. Sonic/Samus/Mario next year? Or maybe even Zero to see where he REALLY stands....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't know how the history thing works, to be honest. My history is not clean at all, but I only had one active moderation. That was for flaming, and it was actually overturned. I was modded for calling myself arrogant. >_>

I'm a LUEser, and my "months ago" moderation history is not clean, but considering that was my only moderation at the time for disruptive posting, you'd think a Warning would be more fair.

Your moderation history is everything you can see under "View My Moderated Messages". Excluding bans if it's not there anymore, it doesn't count against you. Bans count against you for 60 or so days after you last logged into the banned account.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

So, if I logged into a banned account within the past 60 days, and then got suspended with my main account, CJayC would be more harsh because I had a banned account on my usermap?

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I am Lucid Faia.

Then why does CJayC say that you need to be an active, TOS following member for at least a year to even be considered for modmanship? Surely, he has some way of looking back that far.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

In any case, the reasoning for the harsh punishment is starting to make a little sense...

That is, I understand the reasoning now. But I don't agree with it. The last few times I posted ASCII art, I got some 3KLs and one warning. That was a long time ago. So when I post one ASCII a month or two later, with a clean record at the time (one overturned moderation) and get suspended for 60 days, I'm sure you could appreciate my surprise and anger over this.

Oh well. I'm already 15 days through it, I guess I can use these crappy alts for another 45. *irritated*

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I am Lucid Faia.

Well this looks like an easy 55-45 victory for Solid. I figured there was no way Solid was equal to Chief or Liquid, and this would be how Frog did.

On a side note, I [;ayed Fable for the first time today at a friend's house. I don't think I've ever considered buying an X-Box this much. I only got a few hours into it, and it's one of the best games I've played in a long time.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Fable is one of the best games I've ever played too. truely a great game. I hope its in the next game contest... And I'm still hoping that Frog gets the day vote. I really don't see either of them getting it really.
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SC2k4 Score: 67/76 Todays Pick: Frog over Kefka
My Mistakes Rd. 2:Luigi, Kefka, Tails

So, do these results suggest that the picture is actually making a difference? Or do you think this is where they actually stand (or that Frog will lose a lot during the day)?
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 72/76
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Snake with 58.5%

Frog is doing an oustanding job right now! He's at 46.28% and only down by around 400-500 votes. While Frog isn't great the the day vote he's still be known to at least not totally roll over and die... until after school hours.

Either way, Frog has put up a great performance
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

*blinks*

Is Frog...in the beginning stages of starting a comeback?! Well, he has been gaining slightly over the past 10 minutes or so but dunno if it will remain like that.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Of course, right when I say that, Frog dips a bit again...bleh.

*tries going back to bed*
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Well, it looks like Frog is actually as powerful as everyone said. Master Chief just made a HUGE leap and could do quite well in the X-Stats.
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There's an old saying in Texas... fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. - Dubya

Frog is holding his ground pretty good.. 46.6% ... I know it will go down but he's doing a good job right now..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

This is unbelievable. Not only did Master Chief come out much stronger this year than last year, but Frog's doing better against Snake than I thought he would before the contest even began.

I expect Frog to go down a bit in the day, however not as much as against Master Chief, since Snake is the night type of guy. Hell, he lost the day vote to Raiden IIRC.

And don't even mention a comeback. In Soviet Russia, Frog comes back on stuff.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Nevermind. I suppose that kind of thing can be seen much easier with only 10000 votes in.

Well, Frog's performance so far suggests that he's right up there with the likes of Zero and Aeris. Does that really mean Liquid, MC and Frog all deserved 4 or 5-seeds? In that case, MC being a 3-seed seems to be CJayC stroke of genius this year, like giving Kefka a 12 was last year.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Whoa. Frickin', whoa...

...I am sincerely shocked this isn't 60-40, but there's still time to hit it. I don't think it'll happen now though, but regardless, I'm shocked.

With Halo 2 coming out November 9th and millions of people playing it (and preordering it, ever, I think) before next year's contest, Master Chief has an honest shot at being Noble Nine next year if Snake and Sonic don't get kicked out of it by then.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Wow...I didn't think the match would be this close...maybe when I come back from school Snake will be up by 3000 or so.
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I just checked, and this is closer than Mario vs. Crono was at this point....

-_-
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

On another note, many people are blaming the pic for Frog's awesome showing... does it really account for something or in the end, does the "Snake" name manage to overcome?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

The pic definately helps, but I'm not gonna give it any more than 2%, and that's VERY extreme. Frog looks like he's doin' this legitimately from his own fanbase.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Just checked, and both Zero and Frog won an update. Makes Mario's 3 look pitiful, considering the caliber of the opposition.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Frog very well may win another one or two updates, too...scary, really.

This brings up a question I asked before facing MC and after facing MC (which pretty much got completely different results), so I'm gonna ask it again: Frog vs Aeris, who wins? I still pick Aeris, but not with the 59-41 spread I used to think then.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Frog's a big night vote getter as well.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

This mtach will be just like FFT VS MGS, I think.

GO Frog.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.72/76 My top 50 chances is in your hands Frog

Wow! Frog is on quite a streak with increasing his percentage. In a matter of minutes it went from .77% to .92%
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I also noticed that Frog has been keep Snake's lead stalled around the 840ish area.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Snake just brought it to 850 - 852 area. But Frog could probably bring it down again...

Frog looked like he might be able to win another update (and maybe he still can); the lead was at 852 before at the 5:30 update.

Go Frog. ^.^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I never noticed before, but Frog also brought the lead down from 887 (Snake's peak) to the number we see now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Up over 47% for Frog! ^_^
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Mario vs. Crono at 5:40:55 - 1058 difference
Frog vs. Snake at 5:40:55 - 858 difference

...

Anyway, yay for Frog. =D
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Crono got the dayvote agsint Mario right? (You guys know what I am thinking)
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.72/76 My top 50 chances is in your hands Frog

Crono got the board, morning, day, and night vote, didn't he? O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Damnit. >_<

Up to 883...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just wish Frog would actually comeback through today and into tonight to make it closer. Heck, I'm even happy he's doing this much. I totally wasn't expecting 47% from the little amphibian.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Wow. I've only been able to find one update of the Link vs. Cloud match, which was in one of the 2003 Stat Topics. It was the one hour update:

01:00 Link : 6452 | 48.59% || Cloud : 6827 | 51.41% | Update Votes | 2330 || Total Votes | 13279 | lead of 375 | ( up 134 )

I just checked, and it took 5 hours for this match to reach the same numbers. I know that vote totals are down and that match was absolutely huge, but that's amazing...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Wow... This is certainly surprising...

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Don't blame Snake's pic...everyone knows who he is. If pictures are maing a difference, it's definitely Frog's. Frog wasn't very recognizable to casual CT players in Round 2, so it probably hurt him (a case of Hayabusa syndrome). I couldn't IMAGINE Master Chief doing this well against Solid Snake.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

What about Liquid? These results implies that he's almost to Solid as Shadow is to Sonic.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

I dunno. I always thought Liquid would own Master Chief, as well, but who knows?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Maybe it's really a case of Master Chief increasing out of nowhere, really. If that's true, he has potential to become a Tidus in green armor as far as board expectations go.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Tidus in green armor... Heh.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If MC is ever in the same half of the bracket as SS or Sonic is next year. He's so going to be my upset special
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Summer 2004 Contest 65/76 Solid Snake vs. Frog

Frog..I still believe in you! DO IT DO IT DO IT!

The day vote will do it..the night vote will do it...the after lunch vote...the brunch vote...the kiddies after school vote..the college guys after watching Jeopardy vote...all of you please do not fail me!
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
Scores Above Me: 218 SC2K4: 71/76 (GO FROG!)

man, why won't Frog die? Solid is still slowly gaining, but he's struggling to break that 100 vote lead. yeesh. funny thing is, though, if Master Cheif would have pulled it out, i honestly don't think the match would've been this close. although, i do wonder what Ceej would've used for a sprite pic for Master Cheif.


here are the X-stats for Megaman's Half-Division:

20xx Division Upper Half

50.00% Megaman
43.99% Zero
35.22% Tidus
34.65% Shadow the Hedgehog
33.59% Tommy Vercetti
25.56% Max Payne
24.88% Protoman
17.02% Earthworm Jim

this looks messy. Zero and Vercetti are pretty much right where last year's X-stats put them, and Max Payne is a bit higher, while Tidus and Shadow are about Nine points lower. i'd ask which match was screwier (Megaman vs. Tidus or Megaman vs. Zero), but it looks like the entire last topic was devoted to that without a conclusion. looks like it got kinda tense, too, so i won't ask.

oh, and if Megaman gets at least 35.58% against Link, then this entire half-Division, including Earthworm Jim, will be ranked ahead of Ganondorf.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Maybe it's really a case of Master Chief increasing out of nowhere, really.

Or out of bungie.net...What was Frog's current pace before that link was put up and Master Chief started his furious comeback?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Well, just checking on it...If Frog had been increasing at that pace all day before the comeback, he would've probably gotten over 54%, but not much more than that.

Right now, Frog is right around Tidus's level, meaning about a 10% raw increase for Master Chief. Even factoring in Frog getting 54% without bungie.net (hypothetical situation), Master Chief still ends up at....Aeris and Squall levels.


...Maybe the picture is making a difference.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

"I think Zero could be Snake straight up.
I think Magus could beat Snake straight up.
I think Gannondorf could beat Snake straight up.

And I plan on being proved right when Frog breaks 43% on Snake."



I posted this late yesterday. I dont think this is showing MC got that much of a boost, just SS is not that strong.

after taking a look at the updates on Frog vs. MC. Frog would've won anywhere from 4000-5000 (depending on how much of an impact you think Bungie.net caused)
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Summer 2004 Contest 65/76 Solid Snake vs. Frog

Well, I guess we should wait and see what Snake does with the day vote before we jump to any more wild conclusions.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Speaking of which, Snake really seems to be taking off. Pushing hard for 53% as we speak.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

also if you removed the cheated votes on Frog vs. MC (but not the Bungie.net votes) MC would've won with 100 votes
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Summer 2004 Contest 65/76 Solid Snake vs. Frog

57% for Frog right is unimaginable.. Wow.. Kudos to the Chrono Trigger fans..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

I think the pic is making a difference.

Last year, Snake had a MG1 pic...and he struggled against Ryu.

This year, he has a MG2 pic...and he's struggling even more against Frog. Considering that MG2 has never even been released in North America, Snake is totally unrecognizable to about 90% of his fanbase. He's going on name recognition alone.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Is it still a fanbase if they don't even recognise his name?
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Sorry to veer this in a different direction but I just wanted to ask something.. Has the next prophet challenge topic been created yet?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

not yet
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Summer 2004 Contest 65/76 Solid Snake vs. Frog

I can't believe Frog is doing this well. I have to conclude that not only has MC risen, Snake has fallen. But I just did the math, and Snake [Knuckles] would be expected to get 60.03%. That would indicate Frog [Snake] gets 30.87% on Link, bringing Frog, MC, and Liquid to just above Squally. Wow.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Is today's Pic really making that big of a difference?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

The pic is the only explanation for Frog's strong performance if you ask me.

The pic is only worth like 2%
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Summer 2004 Contest 65/76 Solid Snake vs. Frog

2% in this case however is a noticable amount
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

So do we have the Super(ior) 7 now for sure? Or has a new 2nd tier emerged?

Can one of you bets tell me what this match ultimately means and the whole story behind the numbers?
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

Even if the pic difference was taken out, Frog would still be above 45% then (assuming 2% is the true amount; who knows for sure). Still pretty amazing considering his DK-esque victories in the previous two rounds.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

bets = vets

: )
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

hmm... a new set of characters below the Noble Nine. Well from what we've seen now it shouldn't be the noble nine anymore.
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Summer Contest2K4 Status: 71/76 Today's Pick: Solid Snake

I really do want to see one of the Noble Nine members lose to a non-Noble Nine member eventually. Sure, Magus ranks up there in the X-stats but I won't really 'think' of him as one until he can beat someone like Snake or Sonic directly. Hopefully we do get a matchup like that next year...
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

I don't see how you could pick Snake over Magus after seeing today's match. This is pathetic by Solid Snake. Mega Man won't have much trouble at all breaking 60%, and may even double the poor guy.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Where does 2% come from? I've seen people throw out numbers like that saying that's the MOST that a pic can effect a match. Proof? Or is that just what you THINK a pic is worth?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Good question.

People throw out these numbers like predicting who a person will pick in a popularity contest is some exact science.

Face it, the pic obviously has an effect on the voter. Hmm, should I vote for the Frog sprite I recognize, or the massive brown blob?

If Mega Man doubles Snake, Heroic Mario wouldn't even have to argue with anyone this time around....

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Hmm, should I vote for the Frog sprite I recognize, or the massive brown blob?

If you didn't have to click a box labelled Frog over a box labelled Solid Snake, I'd agree with you. But the Solid Snake remains. How you can expect more than 1800 people (2% of 90k) to like Snake more than Frog but vote for Frog is beyond me.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Is it still a fanbase if they don't even recognise his name?

You mean with Link being "Zelda" and Master Chief being "The Halo guy?"

Solid Snake is definitely looking like the weakest link in the Noble Nine this year. He might not even grab that #9 spot. Zero will probably steal it away from him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

How you can expect more than 1800 people (2% of 90k) to like Snake more than Frog but vote for Frog is beyond me.

Well, there's always bracket voters (I'm sure there are more than 1800 who chose Frog to win), fickle voters who either don't care about either one, and those who can be swayed by the picture if they like them both equally. If you like Frog and Solid Snake relatively equally, I don't see why you'd lean toward Snake with a picture like that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

If you like Frog and Solid Snake relatively equally, I don't see why you'd lean toward Snake with a picture like that.

Nostalgia. Memories of days gone by, of Jennifer magically getting you the rocket launcher, of trucks have started to move, of the first real plot twist that Kojima sent us, of facing off against a tank on your own.

I know that pic made me very tempted to vote for Snake.
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Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

I'm surprised Snake isn't doing better. Maybe Frog is stronger than previously thought, as well as all of his opponents. Next year will be different, though, with MGS3 coming out this Fall. Even though it may not be the true Snake, it will give a boost, probably a bigger one than MGS2 gave him.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
74/76/192 Next tough pick: Snake??

If you didn't have to click a box labelled Frog over a box labelled Solid Snake, I'd agree with you. But the Solid Snake remains. How you can expect more than 1800 people (2% of 90k) to like Snake more than Frog but vote for Frog is beyond me.

Because *gasp* maybe someone could like BOTH characters? Just because someone votes for the same character once doesn't mean they are held to vote for that same character everytime until there is someone that they clearly like better. There ARE people who like video games in general and aren't Square or Nintendo loyal. And not all the voters really care about the contest bracket wise as far as who will win. I can easily see more than 1800 people AROUND THE WORLD that look at that pic of Snake and like Frog's better and vote accordingly. Once again, voters aren't robots! They can think just like everyone else on this board. If we can think Snake's pic looks like crap, why wouldn't they?

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Heh, but how many of the voters have played the original Metal Gear? I'd think the majority of his fanbase started with MGS.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Leonhart, you stole my words TWICE in a row. I was gonna make a comment on how many people have actually PLAYED the first Metal Gear...
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

If Mega Man doubles Snake, Heroic Mario wouldn't even have to argue with anyone this time around....

Nah, I'm sure we could think of SOMETHING.

Seriously though, Snake looks weaker than last year without a doubt. I'd be surprised if Mega Man didn't get around 60% or better.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I was gonna make a comment on how many people have actually PLAYED the first Metal Gear...

A decent number, if SpC2K4 is any indication. Nothing spectacular, but more than you'd think.
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Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

Pfft, Snake certainly dropped like a rock this year.
Even 2003 MM can easily break 60%+ on him.

On a somewhat related note, if Snake can drop like a rock with MGS3 coming up, I wouldn't be surprised if Tidus did drop like a rock.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, it's looking more like he just fell back to where he was before last year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

"Surely, he has some way of looking back that far."

He can always check your Karma and compare it to the date when your account was created.

"Well, Frog's performance so far suggests that he's right up there with the likes of Zero and Aeris."

I recall a certain ChichiriMuyo making such and estimation before the contest was even announced, and once again when the bracket was shown.

"Does that really mean Liquid, MC and Frog all deserved 4 or 5-seeds?"

I have little doubt there are enough characters stronger than them that none of them earns a 4. A five, maybe, but we'll see.

"Frog vs Aeris, who wins?"

I still choose Aeris, as well.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Well, Frog's taking off percentage points as we speak.

...What's up with the opponents Aeris beat last year suddenly becoming as strong as she is?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

"...What's up with the opponents Aeris beat last year suddenly becoming as strong as she is?"

Sonic underperformed against Cloud?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

A decent number, if SpC2K4 is any indication. Nothing spectacular, but more than you'd think.

Oh yeah, and that's why it got the 7th lowest vote total IN the Spring Contest, and finished 48th in the extrapolated rankings (51st in the SFF adjusted). And that's not even taking into account the people who would have just voted for it off of name recognition. Trust me, WE may have played it, but I can guarantee that a lot of the voters haven't.

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

* washes face (1 out of 7) *

And Frog is still above 45%.
I guess I'll be washing my face 7 times today.

I can't wait for Cloud vs. Squall tomorrow...

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

"Oh yeah, and that's why it got the 7th lowest vote total IN the Spring Contest, and finished 48th in the extrapolated rankings"

Every first round match is a poor indicator, so its low vote total isn't that bad, and in many other matches it could have done better, with luck. I think a game like that is open to increase, should another SpC be held.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Sonic underperformed against Cloud?

I'd love it if that were true. It would explain Aeris's apparent lack of a big KH boost, but it'd put Felix WAY ahead of Isaac and make him capable of taking out a bunch of strong characters.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I should clarify... what I meant was that the first match of every contest is skewed and has smaller voter turnouts than the average match will.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Some interesting points are rising. Can Snake even do what Zero did against Megaman? Snake doing crappy twice in a row (after getting a 94-6 blowout, no less) is certainly intriguing.

Well, I set up Magus/Snake in my SC2K4 bracket, and I sure as hell will do it next time, MGS3 or no MGS3. I'd even be tempted to pick Magus in the event where such a match would occur.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Snake [Knuckles] would be expected to get 42.37% on Mega Man [2003]

Snake [Master Chief] would be expected to get 35.75% on Mega Man [2003]

Snake [Knuckles] would be expected to get 35.75% on Mega Man [Tidus]

Snake [Master Chief] would be expected to get 28.38% on Mega Man [Tidus]

Wow, if Mega Man breaks 70%, I can see HM dying of happiness.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

What about Snake [2003] on Megaman [Tidus]?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Sure thing.

Snake [2003] would be expected to get 36.91% on Mega Man [Tidus]
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Funny that even Snake's best case scenario has him doing worse than Zero.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

"it'd put Felix WAY ahead of Isaac and make him capable of taking out a bunch of strong characters."

Not really, he's already upper 32 and it wouldn't do that much for him, slightly less than it would do for MC, assuming he wasn't also increasing of his will (as it were).

Who would he move ahead of...
Scorpion - The two were close anyway, and Scorpion isn't exactly strong.

Luigi - Green looks a little stronger this year, and I'd at least put him ahead of DK in the grand scheme of things. So all in all it'd be tough to say for sure that Felix moves ahead of Luigi.

DK - Not all that tough, really.

Jill - Would it suprise you after this year?

Tommy V - We've seen him looking upwards this year, as well, so he wouldn't pass Tommy.

Master Chief - Same as Tommy, and of course he wouldn't be passe dby Felix, because they are linked.

Kirby - Was clearly underrated in 2k3, so he'd go up as
well.

Knux - Looks stronger this year. Maybe Felix'd go toe to toe with him last year (when all sonic character did look just a little weak, even if it was a deception), but not anymore.

Yoshi - I can't see Felix beating him, this is a 2.5% gain but I think Yoshi was also slightly underrated last year.

Alucard - We know Alucard was underrated last year, and I know it was enough to put this out of Felix's reach.

Dante - This requires a 4% increase. Felix is behind MC who is behind Aeris who is behind Sonic. Even if I'm right, there's not enough there to put Felix over Dante.

So, in the end, because so many characters in that range have proven to be stronger or have reason to be stronger than the stats show them, Felix only moves past a fe characters. They are Scorpion, DK, Jill, and pre-SH Knux. Everyone else looks like they may have been underrated last year, or if they weren't underrated they've gained.

Yes, Luigi still looks better this year than last. Don't let Ryo Hazuki fool you this year like Pac-Man did last year, just because it doesn't look like Yoshi had SFF doesn't mean he didn't. If he did, and SFF prevented us from seeing that this year (Damn Link) and Luigi went up as much as Yoshi did then both would be stronger.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Heh. It would be hilarious to see this in next year's stats:

1-5. Megamus Clinkeroth
6. Crono
7. Zero
8. Mario
9. Sonic
10. Solid Snake
11. Ryu
12. Vercetti
13. Dante
...
60. CATS
61. Ganondorf
62. Alucard
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

In other news, 10 hours in and Frog won as many updates as Mario did all day. These comparisons just keep getting weirder.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

*is at school*

Frog can't seem to get past the 1700 vote barrier. He'd better hope that the night vote helps him a whole friggin' lot.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Hey, I'm making a bracket and I need some low seed fodder. Any ideas?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Deficits only 1700. How is Frog keeping it this close? Granted, Snakes pic is the worst of the whole contest so far , but I didn't think it would make this big a difference.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

"Hey, I'm making a bracket and I need some low seed fodder. Any ideas?"

Sure, I got plenty, just tell me what sort of spots you need to fill in terms of character type. You know, you may not want too many RPG characters so I could throw out figthing game characters, or platformers.

Well, anyway...
Vincent
Geno
Ghaleon
MewTwo
Serge
Sub Zero
Chun-li
Sigma
Peach
Nightmare
Dizzy
Samanosuke
Celes
Mai
Marth
...have been talked about by some people, and there are plenty of other choices. Banjo still hasn't made a contest, for example.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Maybe it's really a case of Master Chief increasing out of nowhere, really. If that's true, he has potential to become a Tidus in green armor as far as board expectations go.

Glad my analogy's gettin' around.

I should clarify... what I meant was that the first match of every contest is skewed and has smaller voter turnouts than the average match will.

Spring Contest: check FF7/Suikoden 2 and Halo/Starcraft; those were the only two matches to break 100,00 in the whole contest...but other than those two unusual instances (especially since there was NO hype for FF7/Suikoden 2), I agree with ya.





Frog's gettin' close to 47.5%, and this angers me...I shoudn't get too mad though, 'cuz this makes Master Chief all the more likely to kick some serious ass next year. Beware of MC, 2k5.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Alright, here's my bracket, version 1.0:

North Division
(1) Link
(16) Ryu (Breath of Fire)

(8) Kefka
(9) Luigi

(4) Zero
(13) Nightmare

(5) Vincent
(12) Chun-Li

(3) Ganondorf
(14) Dr. Wily

(6) Frog
(11) Raiden

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda

(15) Bomberman
(2) Snake

South Division

(1) Sephiroth
(16) CATS

(8) Kirby
(9) Ken Masters

(4) Shadow
(13) Yuna

(5) Vivi
(12) Sigma

(3) Aeris
(14) MewTwo

(6) Dante
(11) Sam Fisher

(7) Yoshi
(10) Tails

(15) Toad
(2) Mega Man

East Division

(1) Cloud
(16) Eliwood (Fire Emblem)

(8) Sora
(9) Leon Kennedy

(4) Ryu
(13) Marth

(5) Squall
(12) Celes

(3) Crono
(14) Lara Croft

(6) Alucard
(11) Morrigan

(7) Viewtiful Joe
(10) Ness

(15) Geno
(2) Samus

West Division
(1) Mario
(16) Gordon Freeman

(8) Master Chief
(9) Tommy Vercetti

(4) Tidus
(13) Ghaleon

(5) Liquid Snake
(12) Sub Zero

(3) Magus
(14) Strider

(6) Auron
(11) Jak

(7) Knuckles
(10) Donkey Kong

(15) Princess Peach
(2) Sonic

Comments/changes welcome.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

* face wash count: 2 out of 7 *

To think that Liquid ~=~ Solid, blasphemy...

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

RPGguy, I think there are many chars more deserving of a 1 seed than Mario.

Take Crono, Samus, or even MM is more deserving than Mario.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

RPGguy, I think there are many chars more deserving of a 1 seed than Mario.

I completely agree. You'll even notice that I screwed Crono into getting a 3 seed. However, I said I'd kill for a Mario/Sonic/Magus division, and I meant it.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Not that it needs to be said, but I believe that with a good seed Geno could come in and impress some of you greatly. He's far better than a 15 seed, in my book, while Lara doesn't even deserve her 14. Plenty of changes could be made here and there...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I have a theory about Master Chief.

Master Chief in 2003:

Round 1:

Master Chief 52.96% 56549
Felix 47.04% 50231
TOTAL VOTES 106780

Master Chief does a disappointing performance. Many people believe that the anti-Xbox vote was a factor here. I believe this is true.

Round 2:

Aeris Gainsborough 60.15% 65136
Master Chief 39.85% 43161
TOTAL VOTES 108297

Master Chief gets 40% against the flower girl, making many think that this was the Chief's true power. I believe this to be false.

Aeris in 2003:

Round 3:

Aeris Gainsborough 46.98% 50241
Sonic the Hedgehog 53.02% 56701
TOTAL VOTES 106942

Aeris gets a nice 47% against Sonic, projecting Master Chief have 37.44% against Sonic. (Is this how you do the extrapolated rankings?)

Master Chief in 2004:

Round 1:

Master Chief 70.72% 54469
Crash Bandicoot 29.28% 22552
TOTAL VOTES 77021

Master Chief puts up a impressive performance against Crash.

Round 2:

Frog 50% 45524
Master Chief 50% 45517
TOTAL VOTES 91041

Master Chief falls short by 7 votes. This caused many people to believe that Frog flopped, is much weaker than Aeris is, and will get blown out by Snake next round.

Today:

Frog is doing a respectable performance against Snake. If Master Chief had won in the second round, he would have done a similar performance, thus doing better against Snake than Aeris did against Sonic. And Snake > Sonic, right?

I believe that the anti-Xbox vote factor was used in the MC vs. Aeris match. I believe that if there was no anti-Xbox factor in the MC vs. Aeris match, Master Chief would have put up a better performance, but not beating Aeris in 2003. I also believe that this site stopped hating Xbox, in the same way this site stopped hating Final Fantasy VIII earlier. This can explain why Halo was ranked so high in the Spring 2004 Contest, despite that Starcraft cheated in the SSBM Match. Today, Master Chief has the potential to beat Aeris with Halo 2 coming out soon.

This is just a theory though.
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Feat: C. Trigger, Mario 64, Doom 3, Sonic 2, MegaMan 2

I believe that the anti-Xbox vote factor was used in the MC vs. Aeris match. I believe that if there was no anti-Xbox factor in the MC vs. Aeris match, Master Chief would have put up a better performance, but not beating Aeris in 2003. I also believe that this site stopped hating Xbox, in the same way this site stopped hating Final Fantasy VIII earlier. This can explain why Halo was ranked so high in the Spring 2004 Contest, despite that Starcraft cheated in the SSBM Match. Today, Master Chief has the potential to beat Aeris with Halo 2 coming out soon.

That's the exact same theory I used before the brackets were finalized, except I didn't think MC would be able to beat Aeris now and I didn't think of comparing it to FF8. It's probably better worded, too. Good job.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

...so wait, wait a second. What would have been projected of Master Chief to get on Solid Snake in 2k3? Then compare MC to Solid Snake in 2k4...assuming Solid Snake didn't go down at all and his picture is normal, what would be the difference of percentages in those two cases? Would that be a massive amount of X-Box hate, a large boost just from hype, or a mix of the two?

Keep in mind I plan to edit your answer mildly for Solid Snake's projected loss of popularity from last year and this match's pic, anywhere from 2%-5%, probably closer to 2%.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

To the guy who put alucard 62nd in the extrapolateds: Last place is 64th. and he won't be there, tanner will.


To everyone else, concerning today's match (and the LAST time i post this)


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black mage, 8-bit theater

Guybrush will still end up a good bit lower than Alucard, especially with Crono beating Mario in dud-like fashion and losing to Link soon.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'm hoping Halo 2 will give Master Chief the boost he needs to make it into 3rd round next summer, maybe even further. As for him beating Aeris, I still doubt it would happen as she is fairly strong. With how much Snake has dropped this year, I would have loved to see Aeris take him on. I think it might be close.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 73/76
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Master Chief [2003] would be projected to get 36.42% on Solid Snake [2003].

Master Chief [2003] would be projected to get 39.97% on Solid Snake [Knuckles].
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Let's assume Frog stays at 47.5%; what would he get on Solid Snake 2k3?
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

RPG...you gave Mario a one, and Crono a 3?!?

The Mario/Sonic/Magus combo makes it worth it, but barely...

I feel that casting Master Chief as an 8 is a waste of great potential - with Halo 2 coming out, i could see him potentially being strong enough to give a fright to the weaker noble nine members, much like what frog is doing today.

Celes is a nice addition, and I like her seeding, but against Squall in the first round? Have you no soul?

Ganondorf against Snake? Hmm....

Vincent as a 5...i don't know when DoC is coming out, but i could see Vincent as a 5 or 6 at the moment, let alone after he gets even stronger in the next year or two.

Of course, in the end, Kerrigan isnt in your bracket. Which means I'm going to have to eat your children.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I'd love to see Solid Snake as a 2-seed next year again, and have Master Chief as a 3-seed in the same division as well. Then have the 1-seed be Mario, even if there are more deserving right now. That could make for some hellacious bracket-breaking, especially with Halo 2 and MGS3 comin' out this Christmas season.

In all honesty, unless Solid Snake plays a big part in that game, I'd go for the upset special and try Master Chief to win that division.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Frog [Snake[Knuckles]] would get 43.23% on Snake [2003].

I think that's what you mean: use Snake's value on Knuckles to get Snake/Link, and then use the current Frog/Snake to get Frog/Link.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

RPG...you gave Mario a one, and Crono a 3?!?

The Mario/Sonic/Magus combo makes it worth it, but barely...

I still want Mario/Sonic/Magus. I might bump Crono up to a 2 if Samus doesn't do as good as I expect against Cloud.

I feel that casting Master Chief as an 8 is a waste of great potential - with Halo 2 coming out, i could see him potentially being strong enough to give a fright to the weaker noble nine members, much like what frog is doing today.

You might be right there...I wanted to see MC/Vercetti, but I kinda forgot about Halo 2. I'll make some changes.

Celes is a nice addition, and I like her seeding, but against Squall in the first round? Have you no soul?

I'm trying to find a better place for her. Maybe if I dissolve MC/Vercetti I can stick her in an 8/9.

Ganondorf against Snake? Hmm....

Vincent as a 5...i don't know when DoC is coming out, but i could see Vincent as a 5 or 6 at the moment, let alone after he gets even stronger in the next year or two.

I was considering making Vincent a 3 and Aeris a 5, but I don't think DoC will make it out by next contest. I think a Vincent/Zero match has good potential, too.

Of course, in the end, Kerrigan isnt in your bracket. Which means I'm going to have to eat your children.

Duly noted. I'll add Kerrigan in somewhere. Celes/Kerrigan, hmm...
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life reta<in'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I would love to see Magus as a 2nd seed and Magus as a 7th seed. That match would be worth 6 points.


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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.72/76 My top 50 chances is in your hands Frog

I would love to see Magus as a 2nd seed and Magus as a 7th seed. That match would be worth 6 points.

I'd pick Magus. =P
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

RPGuy, I'm tryin' to figure out the maximum effect of X-Box hate (or hype increase, or both...the difference between then and now) could have been in 2k3 by comparing either Master Chief both years to Solid Snake both years, or Master Chief both years to Cloud both years (I think that's possible with what we've got?)...all of this assuming Frog gets 47.5% on Solid today.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

I would also pick Magus, since I pick Frog to win this.
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.72/76 My top 50 chances is in your hands Frog

Okay. Setting Frog = Master Chief (which, for all intents and purposes, he is), here's what happens.

2k3: Master Chief is expected to get 36.42% on Solid Snake.
Master Chief is expected to get 26.15% on Link (I use him as my yardstick)

2k4: Master Chief is expected to get 39.97% on Solid Snake, based on Knuckles being constant. Master Chief actually gets 47.5%. Assuming that Snake hasn't fallen any further than what Knuckles showed us, that brings Master Chief up to 31.07% on Link.

That 31.07% is between Squall and Bowser, and is 4.92% higher than last year's MC. However, it could be mitigated by the awful pic Snake has, compared with Frog's awesome sprite. For the hell of it, let's say the pic factor = 2%. That brings MC on Link down to 29.76% on Link, 3.62% greater than last year and between unadjusted Auron and Zelda.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Huzzuh for Frog pwning Magus in the rankings this year! Great job, lad.

Though I think Snake will end up with over 53%, I am still proud of my second favorite character.
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

I am not going to lie. After seeing what Frog is doing today, I am pretty sure I would give my left testicle to see a Frog/Magus match-up.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Sadly, Magus would probably win an unjust battle. Though Frog totally pwn'd him in my game ^^

I'd say Magus wins with 60% or so, but Frog gets my vote for sure.
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

Would you rather see Magus/Auron (in my bracket) or Magus/Frog (could easily be in my bracket)?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Magus/Frog.

Everyone knows Magus is more of the fan favorite, but that does not change the fact he is Frog's 'villain.' We saw what kind of SFF Crono laid on Magus, so until we actually see a Frog/Magus match-up, I will remain unconvinced that Frog would not win.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

By saying that Magus would win with 60% of the vote, you are giving in to reverse SFF. And I for refuse to believe it exists. Zero/Mega Man played out as if there was no SFF in play (rather just our normal statistical deviation). We all believed there would be, at worst, some SFF in favor of MM, but that was not the case.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

And when I say reverse SFF, I do not mean from more popular character to least popular character; I mean from protagonist to antagonist (Zero *really* is a protagonist, but he did not start that way).
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

* face wash count: 3 out of 7 *

The contest has passed midpoint, and Frog is still above 47%.

Either CT fans are blindly loyal to that game and will support ANY CT char over anybody else, or Snake (and to a much lesser extend Knux) is indeed dropping like a rock.

Can anyone give a reason why Snake could suddenly drop like a rock?
I was expecting him to get between 60% to 65% today...

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Though I think Snake will end up with over 53%, I am still proud of my second favorite character.

You and I share the same second favorite character. =)
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It's a-okay Mario! You're still the real champ of the gaming world. R.I.P. 9/20/04

Though I think Snake will end up with over 53%, I am still proud of my second favorite character.

You and I share the same second favorite character. =)

Me too! Well, Magus and Frog are essentially tied, but we'll say Magus is 1 and Frog is 2 for now.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I think you are closer on the top one. CT fans are loyal as hell. I think the Summer Contest proved that. The only issues may stem from an inner-RPG battle, especially Square related. They all draw from the same fanbase, and this is why Magus got wrecked at the hands of Crono. Granted, it does not explain why he got pimp smacked by Link, but I think that just might be the inner-RPG thing (note: I am not looking to debate Zelda's place as an RPG).
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

We'll keep the string going...

Frog is also my second favorite character. After his performance today though, I think we are going to have to call Luca Blight 1 and Frog 1a.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Check out this wallpaper that rond556 did. It's a list of his top 50 characters. You'll find my favorite character at #15 on his list.

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/9924/TOP50EVARBACKGROUND.jpg

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I am Lucid Faia.

Okay, I'll post the changes made to my bracket, and then I've got to get to class.

RPGuy96's mock SC2k5 bracket, version 1.5

North Division

(1) Link
(16) Ryu (Breath of Fire)

(8) Kefka
(9) Luigi

(4) Zero
(13) Nightmare

(5) Vincent
(12) Jak

(3) Ganondorf
(14) Dr. Wily

(6) Frog
(11) Raiden

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda

(15) Bomberman
(2) Snake

South Division

(1) Sephiroth
(16) CATS

(8) Kirby
(9) Ken Masters

(4) Shadow
(13) Strider

(5) Vivi
(12) Sigma

(3) Aeris
(14) MewTwo

(6) Dante
(11) Geno

(7) Yoshi
(10) Tails

(15) Toad
(2) Mega Man

East Division

(1) Cloud
(16) Eliwood (Fire Emblem)

(8) Sora
(9) Leon Kennedy

(4) Ryu
(13) Marth

(5) Squall
(12) Sub Zero

(3) Crono
(14) Sam Fisher

(6) Alucard
(11) Liquid Snake

(7) Viewtiful Joe
(10) Ness

(15) Chun-Li
(2) Samus

West Division

(1) Mario
(16) Gordon Freeman

(8) Celes
(9) Kerrigan

(4) Tidus
(13) Ghaleon

(5) Master Chief
(12) Morrigan

(3) Magus
(14) Ryu Hayabusa

(6) Auron
(11) Tommy Vercetti

(7) Knuckles
(10) Donkey Kong

(15) Princess Peach
(2) Sonic

Thanks for the feedback, guys, and I'm hoping for some more!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Either CT fans are blindly loyal to that game and will support ANY CT char over anybody else

Those who do that are those who vote for Crono. And believe me, if I'm not blindly loyal to CT, I'm not blindly loyal to ANYTHING.

Needless to say, I didn't vote Crono often these last three years. Snake, Tom Nook, Conker... that's probably it. Heck, I think I even voted Lara Croft over him.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

And I'm trying to abstain from looking at others' brackets as much as I can, because I don't want to rip off their ideas.

That being said, I'm sure yours is pretty good, RPGuy.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Those who do that are those who vote for Crono. And believe me, if I'm not blindly loyal to CT, I'm not blindly loyal to ANYTHING.

If you're right, and that this is a "3rd most favorite CT char" vs. Snake match instead of CT vs. MGSeries match, then the only explanation possible is Snake dropping like a rock.

This means I won't be able to measure MM through Snake next round, oh well...

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

2k3: Master Chief is expected to get 36.42% on Solid Snake.
Master Chief is expected to get 26.15% on Link (I use him as my yardstick)

2k4: Master Chief is expected to get 39.97% on Solid Snake, based on Knuckles being constant. Master Chief actually gets 47.5%. Assuming that Snake hasn't fallen any further than what Knuckles showed us, that brings Master Chief up to 31.07% on Link.

That 31.07% is between Squall and Bowser, and is 4.92% higher than last year's MC. However, it could be mitigated by the awful pic Snake has, compared with Frog's awesome sprite. For the hell of it, let's say the pic factor = 2%. That brings MC on Link down to 29.76% on Link, 3.62% greater than last year and between unadjusted Auron and Zelda.

Rereading over my paragraph, I think I might lose some people, so here's a quick graph I wanna make for reference...

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X-Box hate..............No hate/hype..........Hype increase


I agree with today's pic estimation, by the way, so I'm assuming it to be true for this.

Master Chief's 3.62% increase can be split by hype-increase or X-Box hate, or a mix of the two. I wouldn't be too surprised to see that percentage goin' mostly in X-Box hate's favor (I'll assume 3% of it), myself, and for now I'm gonna assume it's true. There was no Halo 2 hype worth really mentioning last year, so that 0.62% of his increase this year is non-existant. This leaves Master Chief's shedding of the X-Box hate as the other part. Let's assume that Master Chief lost 3% of his expected percentage on Link because of that X-Box hate, making him now get, what, about 29.25% or so? I'm not sure how to work that, but it's a decent guess.

What I'm getting at is this: if there was no X-Box hate, and assuming most everything I said is true (interfere with what you will), what would have Master Chief gotten on Aeris last year legitimately, with no X-Box hate?
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Any and all X-Box hate is unjustified. It probably comes from the same people who bash Bill Gates, spell Microsoft as "M$," all while using a Windows system.

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[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I believe X-Box hate alot more than I do hype increase, and he gained from somewhere. No doubt it's unjustified though, or at least was. It seems to be non-existant now.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

spell Microsoft as "M$"

What's wrong with that?
I thought it was quite a decent pun.

Bill Gates bashing, however, is totally unjustifiable.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Fun thing is, X-Box hate allegedly vanished, yet the ownership on this site is STILL falling way short of 40%, like it did last year. What are people waiting for to buy them if they're suddenly so much more open-minded?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Fun thing is, X-Box hate allegedly vanished, yet the ownership on this site is STILL falling way short of 40%, like it did last year. What are people waiting for to buy them if they're suddenly so much more open-minded?

1. Money, $200 isn't cheap when I already spent so much on my PS2 games.
2. Games, the X-Box's library of RPGs are the poorest of the 3, so I took a wait and see stance.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

what are people waiting for...

Personally I am waiting until June '05, when I am out of college and have a full time job and money I can devote to another gaming system. Granted, not everyone is in my position, but I have at least given rise to what people are waiting for. PS2 had me with FFX and Xenosaga, and then Gamecube had me with the Zelda Collection offering and Skies of Arcadia. Xbox will have me with Halo2 and KotOR, but there are just too many good PS2 and GCN games coming out for me to be able to devote cash flow to a third system. But in 9 months, this will all change... <drools>
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GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Either CT fans are blindly loyal to that game and will support ANY CT char over anybody else

Roffle. Frog is in many Chrono fans is the best character from that game.

Or maybe it's just me =_=;;;
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Crono ~ Frog ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 49/50 Matches

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Frog vs. Snake

So Frog's increased one whole % from this moring. Go him!

But really...I don't know what to say. I thought Frog would only get around 40% on him. Seems that Frog wasn't an over-rated flop after all. Frog is actually pretty strong, MC increased, and Liquid is like Shadow or Ganon in terms of strength. There could also be a Snake decrease in all this, but if not, then Frog, MC and Liquid will be taking up three spots in the Top 16 characters.

So many questions to be answered, but we'll have to wait until Link/Crono and Mega/Snake. We need answers now!
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

Frog's so strong actually, that if he was as strong as we thought he was before the contest began, he wouldn't have made it out of round 1. Creepy.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

How bout that idiot #6 on the leaderboard who's gonna fall off today? Hah - hah! What an idiot! What a pathetic upset special he picked!

But ****, Frog is doing really well.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Yeah this is kinda creepy o.0;
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WARNING! THIS ANALYSIS MAY BE OFFENSIVE TO SOME!

Midgar Division: Round 3 - Match 53 – (1)Cloud vs. (4)Squall

Moltar’s Analysis

Cloud - Can this match get anymore…you know…?

Round 1 – vs. Duke (Cloud: 80.19% - Duke: 19.81%)
Round 2 – vs. Vyse (Cloud: 81.41% - Vyse: 18.59%)

Cloud once again shows that he is still at his Champion level he was at last year by beating Vyse badly.

Squall - It just did!

Round 1 – vs. Bomberman (Squall: 64.75% - Bomberman: 35.25%)
Round 2 – vs. Kirby (Kirby: 44.99% – Squall: 55.01%)

Squall, on the other hand, continues to show that he has slipped a little bit from last year, under-performing slightly against Kirby.

--Lions-- - by Miss Kalloway

The day was like every other, thought Cloud, as he tried to distract himself momentarily from the writhing brunette beneath him. Not that he could fully distance himself from Leon's moans or the heat of his delicious body, but if he paid it any more attention he'd need to be ready for another round really quickly.

Leon's moans echoed almost eerily off the walls of the underground cavern. Cloud never ceased to be amazed that the kooky old magician never got curious about just what was going on under his house, but right now, it didn't matter.

The blonde pushed Leon's legs up higher in the air and couldn't help watching as the brunette took his own erection in his hands. Cloud thrust harder, trying to keep his eyes open as Leon's fluttered shut. The brunette threw his head back, almost howling as Cloud knocked his hands away. The blonde wrapped his own around Leon's erection, trying to move his entire body to pleasure the man beneath him in perfect sync.

Cloud liked the noises Leon made; the blonde had never been very vocal. After all, what was he supposed to say during sex? He'd gotten out of the habit of moaning names once he realized he was having trouble keeping them straight. Maybe the weather?

"Oooh, Cloud!" Leon's moans had gotten louder, thought Cloud. He liked it. The blonde shifted slightly when felt the brunette tense beneath him and started thrusting quicker.

Leon cried out something less than understandable as he came, coating his own stomach and Cloud's hands with his seed. At that point, the blonde decided to stop wondering just why moogles have pom-poms and let his body eclipse his mind for control. Moments later the still spasming warm body of the brunette coaxed him into a mind-blowing orgasm.

Cloud lay panting against Leon, who was trying to say something, but all he was able to make out was a curious "yeah...?"

The blonde slowly opened his eyes again and traced a finger down Leon's chest. He shifted enough to look over the flawless and flushed body beside his and quickly kissed still parted lips. He propped himself up on one arm and ran his other hand over Leon's smooth skin.

"I... I really like this new tattoo you got, Squall."

Leon shot him the 'You will call me Leon or I will kill you... After we **** again' look before replying.

Leon moved against him, kissing his cheek before looking into bright blue eyes. Cloud realized he'd been totally ignoring the other man in order to think about burying himself in another. He tried to come up with something to say that was both endearing and sexy.

"So... how about those Lions?"

Leon looked at him and broke into rare laughter. It wasn't very endearing or sexy, but it was worth it. The blonde smiled a wicked smile and realized he was quite ready for round two.

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

Well, I had to…I mean, it’s Cloud and Squall in the match, and…it was just too easy. Sorry to all the Cloud/Squall fans that I pissed off with this. =P Anyway, now to the real thing.

We’ve seen Nintendo SFF, we’ve seen Capcom SFF, we’re missing…..SQUARE SFF! Seph failed to do it to Vivi, so can Cloud do it with Squall?….Heh….Cloud do it with Squall…I’m too good.

Anyway, nothing else to say about this match, Cloud was the champ last year and hasn’t fell much since then, and Squall seems to be getting weaker as time passes on. Cloud is already projected to win with 69.30%, but I think that he’ll be able to beat Squally by a little more than that…beat Squally….Ok, ok, I’m done.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Cloud will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Cloud 71% - Squall 29%



Ulti's Analysis

I'd rip the hell out of both of these characters, but I'll save it for later. As for the match, blah blah SFF blah blah.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Cloud/Cloud with 66.99%
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

What is this "we" **** Slow? Some of you peons may have thought Frog to fall below Magus on the pecking order, but not myself. I knew he would rip through his four pack and then give Solid all he could handle (sarcasm on the rip). Fools... all your respect are belong to Frog.

All kidding aside though, we really do not know what affect this god-awful picture is having on the match. I thought Frog would definitely keep it under 60%, and the best I was hoping for was about 55%. If he keeps it like this, we may see him get Solid under 52%. Scary, indeed.

And all the more reason to make my wet dreams come true and give me Frog/Magus next year. Magus a 4, Frog a 5. It is plausible CJayC, we both know it. Make a real bracket buster for once. One you will not have to doctor the picture (Prince Ryu) in order to create.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Yup, the prison ***** and the user of the Most Phallic Weapon Ever (R). Pretty accurate portrayal there.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Frog vs Magus should be a four-point match. Make a seriously ****ed up bracket like this:

(1) Mario
(5) Tidus
(4) Samus
(3) Link
(2) Cloud

(1) Solid Snake
(4) Dante
(3) Ryu (SF)
(2) Sephiroth

(1) Sonic
(5) Aeris
(12) Zelda
(4) Shadow
(3) Frog
(2) Magus

(1) Master Chief
(4) Mega Man
(3) Kirby
(2) Sora
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

I will anaylze this baby for you RPG

1) Link
(16) Ryu (Breath of Fire)

Link is a given at number one and Ryu is a new face that is better then something like Tanner.

(8) Kefka
(9) Luigi

Luigi is underanked by about two spots and Kefka is HUGELY overranked. This match should be bigger than a 60-40 win in Luigi's Favor

(4) Zero
(13) Nightmare

Zero might deserve a three, but okay

(5) Vincent
(12) Jak

I like and will prove to be an excellent second round match with Zero

(3) Ganondorf
(14) Dr. Wily

Good

(6) Frog
(11) Raiden

I am assuming Raiden from MGS2? There are better MGS characters to take in this contest but him.

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda

Both of these characters are way underranked. This should be a second round match, not a first.

(15) Bomberman
(2) Snake

Snake might deserve atleast a 3.

South Division

(1) Sephiroth
(16) CATS

Good

(8) Kirby
(9) Ken Masters

Ken Masters is WAY overranked. He shouldnt even be back in this contest. Kirby is a bit underranked.

(4) Shadow
(13) Strider

Good

(5) Vivi
(12) Sigma

Who is Sigma? Name sounds familiar, but I cant seem to match a game.

(3) Aeris
(14) MewTwo

Aeris might be overranekd here. I seriously think about switching her with Zero. Zero is stronger and an Aeris vs Vincent second round would KILL.

(6) Dante
(11) Geno

Wow Dante got the screw. He may be a position underranked, but thats not his bad position. His bad position is that Geno could be a serious force. The Square Fanboys and Nintendo fanboys will both vote for him. How can he lose?

(7) Yoshi
(10) Tails

Wow you are killing Yoshi here.

(15) Toad
(2) Mega Man

I dig it.

East Division

(1) Cloud
(16) Eliwood (Fire Emblem)

I love Eliwood. He doesn't deserve this treatment.

(8) Sora
(9) Leon Kennedy

Great match. Sora might be underranked a bit, but this will be a bracket buster one way or another.

(4) Ryu
(13) Marth

This match could also be very interesting

(5) Squall
(12) Sub Zero

I like it

(3) Crono
(14) Sam Fisher

Crono deserves at least a two seed, maybe Snakes.

(6) Alucard
(11) Liquid Snake

Another big Bracket Buster.

(7) Viewtiful Joe
(10) Ness

Actually make this match the 8/9 and Sora/Leon the 7/10 and it be a bit better. Both are going to be really close.

(15) Chun-Li
(2) Samus

Samus I love her.

West Division

(1) Mario
(16) Gordon Freeman

Overranked

(8) Celes
(9) Kerrigan

Wow. I can only imagine all the grief this match will give especially since many will think Kerrigan can take down Mario. With little reason.

(4) Tidus
(13) Ghaleon

Good

(5) Master Chief
(12) Morrigan

Good

(3) Magus
(14) Ryu Hayabusa

Ryu got the screw. He isnt a 14 seed. He is at worst a 10.

(6) Auron
(11) Tommy Vercetti

replace Tommy with CJ

(7) Knuckles
(10) Donkey Kong

Good

(15) Princess Peach
(2) Sonic

Good

As for the match, blah blah SFF blah blah.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Cloud/Cloud with 66.99%

Calling for reverse SFF, eh? I hope so.

...As for Moltar, I'll just say I skipped over his analysis as soon as I knew where he was going with it.

All of this thinking about the recent results and where it makes everything fall into place is getting me all confused. There are just too many different possibilities right now. All will be resolved with Mega Man-Solid Snake...hopefully.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Even 2003 MM can easily break 60%+ on him.

Snake would have to drop below far below 2003 Tidus in order for Mega Man to come close to breaking 60% on him. Make no mistake, Solid Snake would be extremely far down for 2003 Mega Man to do that. Thankfully, we are talking about the new, improved 2004 Mega Man.

On a somewhat related note, if Snake can drop like a rock with MGS3 coming up, I wouldn't be surprised if Tidus did drop like a rock.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

All will be resolved with Mega Man-Solid Snake...hopefully.

It won't, Snake has obviously dropped this year, hence he won't be a reliable measuring stick anymore.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, the hard thing to believe about that is that it involves Shadow falling right along with him.

...Unless we want to pull out that Mario anti-vote monster again, that is.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

If Frog can get this thing under 52% before it is over, I will be the happiest man alive. Well, back to Disgaea for another couple hours. When I come back I hope to see Frog with said 48.XX%
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

It won't, Snake has obviously dropped this year, hence he won't be a reliable measuring stick anymore.

Well, Knuckles is a decent measuring stick for Snake. He's dropped some for sure. However, we don't know how much the echidna has gone up.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

But MGS3 for some reason hasnt been very high on the hype list.

I mean you have Halo 2, GTA:SA, Metroid Prime 2, GT4 all receiving much more hype.

And Zelda, Resident Evil 4, Jade Empire, and FFXII also being more hyped even if they are coming out next year.

Wow, if Mega Man breaks 70%, I can see HM dying of happiness.

You better believe it!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

It won't, Snake has obviously dropped this year, hence he won't be a reliable measuring stick anymore.

We can easily create a range for Snake, as was not the case with Zero. He's far more reliable than the match we say yesterday, and since the two had a direct match it should be better to gauge. It's not like we'll be in the dark until he goes against Link, we just won't know for certain until the semi-final showdown happens.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

...As for Moltar, I'll just say I skipped over his analysis as soon as I knew where he was going with it.

^_^
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

Heh, Mega Man getting 70% on Snake would drop him down to around Squall's level if the Blue Bomber is on par with Link (and drops him below him if he's not). Oh how the mighty have fallen.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Well lets just say Megaman better DESTROY Snake now.

1-5. Megamus Clinkeroth
6. Crono
7. Zero
8. Mario
9. Sonic
10. Solid Snake
11. Ryu
12. Vercetti
13. Dante

Mega Man, Zero, Mario, Ryu, and Dante. Oh that kicks ass.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Today's results indicate Solid going down.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Wow. I hope Snake can do this on Mega Man (SS with 48, of course) so Frog will easily take 10th place ^^
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

Snake would have to drop below far below 2003 Tidus in order for Mega Man to come close to breaking 60% on him. Make no mistake, Solid Snake would be extremely far down for 2003 Mega Man to do that. Thankfully, we are talking about the new, improved 2004 Mega Man.

Get this through your thick skull, I'm STILL NOT CONVINCED that MM has increased significantly.

He might have increased, but I really don't think it's as much as you want to believe.

And after doing my "homework", I now have strong reasons to believe that Tidus did drop like a rock.

Snake has been underperforming 2 rounds in a row now, his decrease is essentially confirmed.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I must say that Zero's performance yesterday does give me a little hope that Squall will do better than expected against Cloud tomorrow. Perhaps it's false hope, but it's something to hold onto.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Well lets just say Megaman better DESTROY Snake now.

There was ever a doubt he wouldn't? ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

HM, no it doesnt. We might of actually got the TRUE shakeup we were waiting for if Gannondorf and Magus hadnt been reduced to SFF fodder.

1-5. Megamus Clinkeroth
6. Crono
7. Zero
8. Mario
9. Sonic
10. Solid Snake
11. Ryu
12. Vercetti
13. Dante

Vercetti looks so out of place on that list.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Assume Solid beats Frog 52.5/47.5

What does Solid need to get on Mega Man such that Frog>Zero?
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

I have a hard time seeing Mega getting anything over 65% on Snake...even 60% sounds wrong. I am hoping that Snake is at full strength, and that Frog is just this strong...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

Get this through your thick skull, I'm STILL NOT CONVINCED that MM has increased significantly.

I don't care what you want to believe, because you want to believe something that is clearly stupid. You honestly expect me to think Snake has fallen all the way down past 2003 Tidus, 2003 Shadow, past Magus, Sonic, Ganondorf, and I don't even know where he stops. I can buy him falling, but don't say 2003 Mega Man can "easily" put up 60%+ on Solid Snake when he cannot.

He might have increased, but I really don't think it's as much as you want to believe.

It's not a case of me "wanting" too, I think it's more than obvious he has increased more than just 1-2%.

And after doing my "homework", I now have strong reasons to believe that Tidus did drop like a rock.

Because that makes wonderous amounts of sense.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Thanks, NewLib.

(8) Kefka
(9) Luigi

Luigi is underanked by about two spots and Kefka is HUGELY overranked. This match should be bigger than a 60-40 win in Luigi's Favor

Actually, given Kefka's performance on Knux and Luigi's on Yoshi, they're about equal. That's why I love this match.

(7) Bowser
(10) Zelda

Both of these characters are way underranked. This should be a second round match, not a first.

I agree with you. I'm trying to find a better place for the two of them.

(8) Kirby
(9) Ken Masters

Ken Masters is WAY overranked. He shouldnt even be back in this contest. Kirby is a bit underranked.

2k2 Ken Masters would actually beat either Kirby. I'm considering changing this to 7/10 because of last year's Ken, though.

Who is Sigma? Name sounds familiar, but I cant seem to match a game.

Boss of the Mega Man X series. I needed good fodder, and he worked.

(3) Aeris
(14) MewTwo

Aeris might be overranekd here. I seriously think about switching her with Zero. Zero is stronger and an Aeris vs Vincent second round would KILL.

Eh, I don't like SFF matches, but Aeris/Vincent would be a cool one. I'd rather have Zero/Vincent, though.

(6) Dante
(11) Geno

Wow Dante got the screw. He may be a position underranked, but thats not his bad position. His bad position is that Geno could be a serious force. The Square Fanboys and Nintendo fanboys will both vote for him. How can he lose?

Heh, I needed to find a good position for Geno to make Chichiri happy, and this was it.


(7) Yoshi
(10) Tails

Wow you are killing Yoshi here.

They're about equal if you adjust for Auron/Cloud SFF, so I'd expect a good match.

(3) Magus
(14) Ryu Hayabusa

Ryu got the screw. He isnt a 14 seed. He is at worst a 10.

I'm considering bumping him up, but I'm still pissed off at him losing 60/40 to Sora.

(6) Auron
(11) Tommy Vercetti

replace Tommy with CJ

CJ?

Anyway, thanks for the input.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

If it hadnt been for SFF I say we would of had

1.Link ( I still hold out this amount of hope)
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Megaman
6. Crono
7. Zero
8. Mario
9. Magus
10. Gannondorf
11. Sonic

That would of made me so happy.

I have a hard time seeing Mega getting anything over 65% on Snake...even 60% sounds wrong.

How does over 60% sound wrong? It should have always been that way, but it seems voters are just now realizing it. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

CJ= GTA: San Andreas anti-hero.

And Luigi/Kefka might be giving you false hype. They have a common opponent. And Luigi beat PacMan by far too much to think Kefka could give Luigi a run.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

CJ is the star of GTA:SA.

Ken Masters is WAY overranked. He shouldnt even be back in this contest. Kirby is a bit underranked.

Shut it. Of course Ken deserves to comeback, and he most certainly shouldn't have missed this year.

Who is Sigma? Name sounds familiar, but I cant seem to match a game.

The main villain of the Mega Man X series.


Wow Dante got the screw. He may be a position underranked, but thats not his bad position. His bad position is that Geno could be a serious force. The Square Fanboys and Nintendo fanboys will both vote for him. How can he lose?

Dante isn't screwed in the slightest. He has Devil May Cry 3 coming out in November and considering how he increased 3% from the release of DMC2 there's no doubt he'll be a major force next year. He shouldn't have a problem worrying about Geno.

(8) Sora
(9) Leon Kennedy

Excellent work, RPGuy! I love you included Leon in there, he's bound to do great after the release of RE4 in January.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Magus AND Ganondorf ranking above Sonic? There's no reason for that to happen since it doesn't look like the Blue Blur has fallen at all this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Which is why I said he was underranked here, HM and I wouldnt could out Geno.

Yes there is, Leonhart. There is a good reason. Its called I LOVE BOTH OF THOSE CHARACTERS AND THUS IT MUST BE SO.

Actually thats a pipe hope, but a pipe hope Ill never know. Hopefully Ganon can get quite a bit of a bounce from Zelda X to get back up with Zero.

I have a hard time seeing Mega getting anything over 65% on Snake...even 60% sounds wrong. I am hoping that Snake is at full strength, and that Frog is just this strong...

I was thinking the same thing yesterday, but after seeing Snake get reduced to the level of MC, I've lost all faith in Snake's strength.

I mean it's MC, he was semi-fodder last year, and Halo 2 hasn't even come out yet.
I just can't see MC rising out of nowhere to Snake's level.

At the moment, I'm expecting a 2003'ish MM to get roughly 60% on Snake.
With 65%+ as a sign of a significant increase.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Seeing Zero in the noble nine would just create a large smile across my face. It'd kick so much ass to see.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

HM, I expect Leon, along with Vincent, to be our Frogs next year. Except Better.

I mean it's MC, he was semi-fodder last year

He was by no means fodder. It would've taken a Noble Nine character to even double him.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I don't know.. I don't see Ganondorf higher than an 8 or 9 seed again
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Any new character is going to have a very difficult time outperforming what Frog did this year. I mean, there were very few of us who thought he could keep Snake to under 53%, and even more who thought he wouldn't even get to face Snake.

And noone answered me in the last topic, so I will ask again. Why the hell does Cloud have bat wings? Did he drink Red Bull? Did he make sweet, sweet passionate buttsecks to Alucard's dad? What gives?
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

This is such an impressive showing by Frog, considering he's one of my favorite characters it's great to see him doing so well. I knew there was no way he could be ranked as fodder or even that much lower than Magus in the X-sts.

Great to see him doing so well. I only hope he could continue to increase his percentage later on tonight.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I will be seriously upset if that happens next year. He is atleast Magus level. And I think Magus is atleast Ryu level.

Which would place them both in the Top 15 easily.

That means they both should be 4 seeds.

I don't know.. I don't see Ganondorf higher than an 8 or 9 seed again

I do. He's coming back next year as a 3-6 seed, and making it to the Sweet 16, where he gracefully bows out to the 1 or 2 seed of the division.

>.>
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

He became a Cloud-Vincent hybrid and he took Sephiroth's other wing in Kingdom Hearts.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Here is how the Noble Nine goes:

1. Link
2. Sephiroth
3. Cloud (I can dream that Seph takes Cloud out...)
4. Samus
5. Crono
6. Mega Man (Yes, I think Crono will do better on Link then MM)
7. Mario (That is just so wrong...)
8. Sonic
9. Snake
10. FROG! Bwahaha'd. (Maybe Zero, Squall, Auron, Vivi)
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

No Goku. Snake has already proved himself to be less than Zero. No way MegaMan only gets 55 percent on him.

It has something to do with his "darker" side, I think. I don't remember much from what I played of Kingdom Hearts, but I think that's what it has to do with. No matter, his picture totally kicks ass. That's one of the best pictures I've seen.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

6. Mega Man (Yes, I think Crono will do better on Link then MM)

Pssh, yeah right.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Funny thing with Frog.

After Round 1: He was a huge bomb
After Round 2: He didn't reach his expectations
After Round 3: He exceeded them

Also I take Vincent or Leon over Frog any day of the week next year.

I don't like Cloud very much...

after he destoyed Vyse (Who PWNs) and will hurt Squall (See: Vyse's description) and after he kils my bracket (See: sig) and possibly, but doubtfully wins the contest again, he will jump on my hated characters list....

But he shall redeem himself to 'Don't care either way' status if he dies and/or bones Tifa in Advent Children.
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

He became a Cloud-Vincent hybrid and he took Sephiroth's other wing in Kingdom Hearts.

I was just rereading the 2003 Stat Topic when I was looking for the 1 hour update for Link vs. Cloud. Anyway, funny comment:

"Cloud is almost DOUBLING Sonic! I would have NEVER expected that. Especially with this disgusting KH Batcloud pic. (What happened, did Morrigan se><><or him in between games or what?)"

>>>>>>>>>XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I do. He's coming back next year as a 3-6 seed, and making it to the Sweet 16, where he gracefully bows out to the 1 or 2 seed of the division.

Gracefully bows out.. like he did against Link? :D

It's true it was an SFF match.. but I was honestly very surprised Link just destroyed him. I think people will see that, and I don't think he'll get enough nominations to be a #3 seed. He might at best be a 6th seed though.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Leon over Frog? lmao.

Vincent over Frog? Very possible. Both awesome characters, and the best from their games IMO.
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

he will jump on my hated characters list...

Funny, he's on my favorite characters list with room to jump through the ranks. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Armitage you have made an enemy out of me. You will rue the day you ever said such things about Ganon. RUE!

Armitage you have made an enemy out of me. You will rue the day you ever said such things about Ganon. RUE!

:(

I like Ganon..
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Gracefully bows out.. like he did against Link? :D

That match NEVER happened! It does not exist!
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

We know nothing at this point of how MM/Snake goes down.


MM Round 1: As expected.
MM Round 2: Overperforms.
MM Round 3: Underperforms.

SS Round 1: Overperforms.
SS Round 2: Underperforms.
SS Round 3: Underperforms.

I'd say MM defeats SS with about 54-55%. Which, if my addition is correct, would put Zero and Frog almost dead even in the X-Stats.
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

But HM your favorite character list sucks. Here is a list:

1. Link
2. Samus
3. Locke
4. Ganondorf
5. Magus
6. Manny Calavera
7. MegaMan
8. Ashley Riot
9. Frog
10. Vincent

You honestly expect me to think Snake has fallen all the way down past 2003 Tidus, 2003 Shadow, past Magus, Sonic, Ganondorf, and I don't even know where he stops. I can buy him falling, but don't say 2003 Mega Man can "easily" put up 60%+ on Solid Snake when he cannot.

Are you blind?
He's on par with Frog, who is equal to MC, who is below all those chars you mentioned above.

Sure MC could've increased through the shedding of X-Box hate, but certainly not this much.

Btw, assuming MC increased by 2.5% vs. Cloud from last year and that Snake will win this match with 53%, 2003 MM is projected to get roughly 60%.
Try that for yourself.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

You know it is impossible for Cloud to not get a high percentage tomorrow. Why you ask?

http://media.adventchildren.net/p900iv-0922.jpg

He advertises cellphones. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Who do you guys think is the best representative from FFVI? I have Celes in right now on Chichiri's suggestion, but I don't know who the strongest would be. Either way, they're up against Kerrigan in the first round, so it should make for a good match.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Heroic Mario's list is awesome.

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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Actually I look at my Top 20 games and my Top 10 characters and it actually makes some sense. My entire Top 20 is full of RPGs except for two Zeldas, two Metroid, one Megaman, one Grim Fandango, and somehow a Starcraft made the list.

NewLib commented on Celes v Kerrigan a few pages back...

While i agree that there is no honest chance that Kerrigan could down Mario, i still don't see why everyone has problems with her potentially being a strong midcarder. I'd actually give her an edge over Celes in such a matchup, although if there is a god Celes would win 65-35.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

RPG. Locke.

For. My. Sake.

That match NEVER happened! It does not exist!

You mean the match where Ganondorf did worse than CATS did against Link due to the SFF? ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I personally think Terra would do the best.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Hmm...I'm not sure how I would rank my fave characters...

I know Kain is #1, Frog #2...but the rest....I love Mario, he would be up there. Laguna and Squall are right up there, as well...Vivi for sure...Luca Blight, of course....Ghaleon? Yup. Link and Samus? Top 10 material for sure....Sonic is very worthy....but I DO like Snake...Sephiroth has a place in my heart, yes....Sabin pwns for sure....Orlandu, easily....Gabby Jay is uber....hrm...gotta love E. Honda...

Bah. I am so split.
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

Are you blind?
He's on par with Frog, who is equal to MC, who is below all those chars you mentioned above.

Don't assume things and make them out to be something that is fact. Snake has dropped, yes, but making me believe he has dropped that much is just too laughable. You believe that but refuse to think Mega Man could have increased significantly? Spare me.

Sure MC could've increased through the shedding of X-Box hate, but certainly not this much.

Why can't he increase this much from the prior year?

Btw, assuming MC increased by 2.5% vs. Cloud from last year and that Snake will win this match with 53%, 2003 MM is projected to get roughly 60%.
Try that for yourself.

Roughly 60%? He was never going to have trouble exceeding 60%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

For FFVI, going completely by who I liked best, I'd say Terra or Celes.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Add Mumei to the Rue list.

SPOILERS POSSIBLE


















The thing that may draw people to Celes is that almost suicide scene. I mean, it shows a real aspect to her character not prevelant in Kefka. Locke is another "real" character. Personally, I think Shadow would perform the best in an atmosphere like this one, with one caveat: CJayC does not give him a picture that makes him look like the Prince of Persia.










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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

But HM your favorite character list sucks. Here is a list:

You've never seen my list.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

With FFVI, even though Terra was the "main character", I always saw Locke as the most important. Plus, Celes wants his body. He deserves an award.

Add Mumei to the Rue list.

XD.

I'm just teasing him because Ganondorf is his favorite character. I like Ganondorf, but that match was such a slaughter it was amusing. =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Frog is looking at 48%+ if he can keep this up and gain the night vote. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Heroic Mario, it has Cloud on it. I dont need to see such filth. :P

I've seen his list. It's not that bad.

From what I can tell from associating with some of the FF fanbase, Terra is the favorite in FFVI. I prefer Locke myself.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Locke or Terra would do best...probably Locke.

But Sabin gets my vote over any FF6 character...

Well. Interceptor gets my vote over Sabin. But he will never make it, sadly...
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

If anything Cloud says my list kicks incredible amounts of ass. Just a matter of time before he claims that number three spot. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Since I see you all begging, Tnotez Top Five Characters:

1) Luca Blight
2) Frog
3) Vivi
4) Tommy Vercetti
5) Auron

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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

http://media.adventchildren.net/p900iv-0922.jpg

What the hell?

Sony and Pana aren't the same company, right?

Why did they use Cloud to advertise for Sony's competitor?

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Any favorites list that lacks Squall automatically fails.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Heroic Mario, we are on opposite sides.

One with Link
One with Cloud.

Only one thing can solve this.

::Adds Heroic Mario to Rue list::

You will fear me... in the future... or not at all...

Ugh. For the last time, CLOUD =/= SONY! Sony sucks.


See: KH: CoM
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SC2K4 Score: 70/72(Yoshi) Next Tough Pick: Sephiroth over Cloud
FF7>>>>me.

No specific order:

Mega Man
Cloud Strife
Frog
Zero
Protoman
Vyse
Mario
Viewtiful Joe
Link
Ken Masters
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Heh, I'd post my list, but people think my diversity in taste is weird.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

What the hell?

It's a phone Cloud uses within Advent Children from the FOMA series, so Square Enix/Panasonic have him advertising it on billboards in subway stations and what not.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Cloud Strife has got to be one of the worst FF characters created and possibly THE worst FF main character. I have no idea what HM sees in him. Maybe he identifies with him or something, but Cloud is a poon in every sense of the word. FF7 had some great characters; Cloud is not one of them.

And the representative from FF3/6j that would do the most well in this tournament is Terra, even though Kefka is the one that keeps getting nominated.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Leonhart. Actually Squall is on my list. He is #1 on my least favorite characters ever list. So sorry. :(

Also Terra was one of my least favorite characters in FFVI ( I still love the little twerp.)

I think Locke, Celes, Cyan, Sabin, and Shadow are all AMAZING.

Question.

I wanted to put Bowser on a 4-5 match on my bracket, however the Frog/Chief/Liquid trio will probably demote him to a 6-seed, which sucks, because there's a lot of potential for good matches with Bowser. (Note to CJayC: NOT cannon fodder followed by SFF-fest.)

So here's the question... since it's been pretty much established that Ganondorf does more fanbase-leeching than Bowser, do you think Bowser could get reverse SFF on Ganondorf?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Heh, I'd post my list, but people think my diversity in taste is weird.

Your list is weird, but little I've seen of it. Kirby and Squall as your two favorites? Kirby is great and Squall is "meh" but those two have... nothing in common. O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud Strife has got to be one of the worst FF characters created and possibly THE worst FF main character.

Cloud is THE best Final Fantasy character, as far as I'm concerned. I've played plenty of them except some of the more recent ones like FFX-2 and only a little bit here and there of FFX. Ever since I played FF7 back in 1997 he was someone who I've liked.

I have no idea what HM sees in him. Maybe he identifies with him or something,

Heh.

but Cloud is a poon in every sense of the word. FF7 had some great characters; Cloud is not one of them.

What was so bad about Cloud? He certainly wasn't the worst character from the game.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Squall is meh?! How dare you!

Either way, I prefer Squall for his character, and Kirby because of the diversity of the things he can do, and he's my favorite to use in SSBM. Shapeshifting and copycatting rocks.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Heh, I'd post my list, but people think my diversity in taste is weird.

Squall, Kirby, Tidus. People would go nuts. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

So here's the question... since it's been pretty much established that Ganondorf does more fanbase-leeching than Bowser, do you think Bowser could get reverse SFF on Ganondorf?

Heh, I wanted to make Ganondorf/Bowser a 3/6 in my bracket, but I couldn't fit it in. I'd love to see what happens in that match, and I think either of them has a good shot at winning.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Squall, Kirby, Tidus. People would go nuts. =p

Heh, and those are just in the top 5.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

The thing is though, I already had plans for Ganondorf, with Zelda 10 and all, but Bowser could make for a great alternative.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

I think a Bowser/Ganondorf would be great to see.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Don't assume things and make them out to be something that is fact. Snake has dropped, yes, but making me believe he has dropped that much is just too laughable. You believe that but refuse to think Mega Man could have increased significantly? Spare me.

Then tell me, WHAT DID YOU SEE TODAY?
These numbers speak for themselves.
Chars has to benefit from something for them to increase, they need nothing to decrease.

Why can't he increase this much from the prior year?

Halo 2 has been announced long time ago, and it didn't help him in 2003.
There's simply NO reason for MC to increase by this much.
If snake is constant, MC is suddenly a top 16 char.

Roughly 60%? He was never going to have trouble exceeding 60%.

I was assuming 2003 MM.
Either way, that statement is so biased I'm not going to bother arguing over it.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

What do you guys think of: (Slow, avert your eyes)

Zero/Vincent (post AC, pre DoC)
Ganondorf/Frog
Shadow/Vivi
Ryu/Squall
Tidus/Master Chief (post Halo 2)
Magus/Auron

All round 2 stuff from my bracket.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Heroic Mario, how familiar are you with Final Fantasy? Because favoring Cloud over every other character in the series is unheard of. I know some of the most hardcore FF7 fans that prefer several characters over Cloud.

It's not hard to make an argument against Cloud. The decision he made, being manipulated all of the time, etc. What I haven't heard yet is a good argument. Seriously, what makes him one of your favorites?

There's nothing wrong with being different or liking a character that others don't, I just fail to see any reason to like Cloud at all.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Seriously, 2003 Mega Man would have a hard time getting 60% even on this year's Snake. Solid would have to fall between Bowser and Ryu for that to happen.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

(1) Mario
(5) Tidus
(4) Samus
(3) Link
(2) Cloud

(1) Solid Snake
(4) Dante
(3) Ryu (SF)
(2) Sephiroth

(1) Sonic
(5) Aeris
(12) Zelda
(4) Shadow
(3) Frog
(2) Magus

(1) Master Chief
(4) Mega Man
(6) FF6 Shadow
(3) Kirby
(2) Sora

Comments on this? Maximum fun as well as some interesting matches.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Squall is meh?! How dare you!

At least I didn't say he sucks. =P


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah, like that's supposed to be some sort of consolation.

I'd break out the FPS mode, but I never seem to get the last shot on you.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Then tell me, WHAT DID YOU SEE TODAY?

Frog kicking some serious ass along with Snake not being at a 2003 or even 2002 level. There's a difference between dropping and then dropping to the point where you can be beaten by a solid quanitity of characters who should never beat you.

These numbers speak for themselves.

I say this on Mega Man/Tidus.


Chars has to benefit from something for them to increase, they need nothing to decrease.

So it's not odd for Snake to suddenly drop like mad after having a remake of his old game on the GameCube? Despite the 170,000 sales, him falling obviously doesn't need to be disputed but Master Chief or even Mega Man increasing is crazy? Riiight.

Halo 2 has been announced long time ago, and it didn't help him in 2003.
There's simply NO reason for MC to increase by this much.
If snake is constant, MC is suddenly a top 16 char.

There's no reason for Snake to decrease as much as you are trying to tell me either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Seriously, 2003 Mega Man would have a hard time getting 60% even on this year's Snake. Solid would have to fall between Bowser and Ryu for that to happen.

Well, if you look up where MC was, that's where Snake will end up with today's result.

It didn't make much sense I admit.
But I'm more comfortable with chars decreasing out of nowhere, than their opponents increasing out of nowhere.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Obviously it's time to think of a new name for the Elite!
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If ignorance is bliss, then a lot of people are happy. That would also explain why I'm mad all the time.

Obviously it's too soon because we don't know the elite yet.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

We need to find out who can be considered elite first.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

We should just boot Sname and Sonic and start using Super Seven. Sephirmus Clinkman is funny, but I'm NOT going to start seriously using it.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Leonhart, you're awesome but you brought up the bungie link!!!

I feel somewhat responsible for that since it was my friend who made it. That link was on the forums i e - it did absolutley nothing, I just don't like to see mc get downgraded when his magnificent comeback was all him.

And, how come snake has to fall to explain the results? It can't be frog/liquid snake/mc's true strength?
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(1) Mario
(5) Tidus
(4) Samus

Samus over Tidus, easily. Mario/Samus would be a great match.

(3) Link
(2) Cloud

We know this match would rock.

(1) Solid Snake
(4) Dante

Snake. He hasn't fallen to Dante's levels.

(3) Ryu (SF)
(2) Sephiroth

Seph. Seph over Solid, too.

(1) Sonic
(5) Aeris
(12) Zelda

Sonic/Aeris post AC...interesting.

(4) Shadow

4's typically don't go against 3/2s, I don't know what Shadow's doing.

(3) Frog
(2) Magus

I still give this to Magus. One of the few interesting SFF matches, though.

(1) Master Chief
(4) Mega Man

Mega Man without a doubt.

(6) FF6 Shadow
(3) Kirby
(2) Sora

Kirby over Shadow, Sora over Kirby. Interesting group, though.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Has anyone read my theory?
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Feat: C. Trigger, Mario 64, Doom 3, Sonic 2, MegaMan 2

True. Sephirmus Clinkman, Megamus Clinkeroth and the like sound funny, but in terms of overkill...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

We should just boot Sname and Sonic and start using Super Seven.

What about Zero?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

(1) Sonic
(5) Aeris
(12) Zelda

Sonic/Aeris post AC...interesting.

(4) Shadow

4's typically don't go against 3/2s, I don't know what Shadow's doing.

Uh... Shadow vs Aeris/Zelda?
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Heroic Mario, how familiar are you with Final Fantasy?

Started with Final Fantasy on the NES back in the 80's and have played all of them up to FFX--that game being the one I'ved played only tidbits of, although the Japanese ones such as FFIIj and FFIIIj I haven't played.

Because favoring Cloud over every other character in the series is unheard of. I know some of the most hardcore FF7 fans that prefer several characters over Cloud.

You'll always run into a person who favors something differently from a large group. I've been a big fan of Cloud ever since I got the game on the Playstation; in fact, my sole purpose of buying a PSX was for Final Fantasy 7. There was even a time period where I don't think I liked anyone more than him--although this could be attributed to my extremely long one year period of playing FF7 above all other games.

It's not hard to make an argument against Cloud. The decision he made, being manipulated all of the time, etc. What I haven't heard yet is a good argument. Seriously, what makes him one of your favorites?

He has a reason to be manipulated over time after time. I won't jump into large details within the stats topic, but after being injected with Jenova cells and mako treatment after being rejected on making SOLDIER doesn't exactly leave your brain in a nice state. He goes from mixing his own experiences with that of someone else, not caring about anyone but himself, then starts softening up, goes through a major mental issue with himself, and finally comes out at the end as himself.

There are other things along with that, but just one of the many reasons I like him. Unlike many others, I don't knock him for mental problem. Going through that kind of thing is never good, and he does manage to overcome all the problems he had.0

There's nothing wrong with being different or liking a character that others don't, I just fail to see any reason to like Cloud at all.

It's not really so much a case of being different as it is genuinely liking him above not only every Final Fantasy character, but nearly every character out there.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Oh. Okay. Aeris beats him.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

What about Zero?

What about him? I haven't taken the time to read through the entire topic just yet, but is there evidence to suggest that Zero could beat Mario or Crono?

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I am Lucid Faia.

What about him? I haven't taken the time to read through the entire topic just yet, but is there evidence to suggest that Zero could beat Mario or Crono?

Hypothetically, if Mega Man and Samus do turn out to be at Clinkeroth levels, Zero takes #6.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Snake. He hasn't fallen to Dante's levels.

With Snake falling and Dante receiving DMC3 you never know. Although MGS3 will have released as well. Either way, Dante should definitely be on the up and up next year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I just fail to see any reason to like Cloud at all.

Sorry, I thought that being the main character of the greatest game ever made would do that for you.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Oh. Okay. Aeris beats him.

You sure bout that? I'd say it could be a nail-biter.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

What about him? I haven't taken the time to read through the entire topic just yet, but is there evidence to suggest that Zero could beat Mario or Crono?

If Mega Man turns out to be as strong as his match against Tidus suggests, which he will ;), then Zero takes a shot upward. Right now, he ranks around 7th and that's actually very close to Mario/Crono if not above one of them. I have forgotten.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Oh. Okay. Aeris beats him.

You sure bout that? I'd say it could be a nail-biter.

It could be close, but I'd expect Aeris to get a boost from AC that would propel her up to Tidus' levels, and we know how that went.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I am so happy for master chief right now : )

leonhart, what are you hoping for Squall tomorrow? I really hope he does well, but he hasn't shown too much strength just yet.
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Leonhart's been promoting 50000-50001 in favor of Squall for a while now.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Even with Zero's awesome performance against Megaman, I don't see him ever beating Mario or Crono. He still couldn't beat Sonic last year, too.
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Started with Final Fantasy on the NES back in the 80's and have played all of them up to FFX--that game being the one I'ved played only tidbits of, although the Japanese ones such as FFIIj and FFIIIj I haven't played.

Ah, okay. I know you said this before, but I asked again because you also "played and hated" EarthBound three times, at which point I discovered that your definition of playing EarthBound was spending ten minutes in the game. You went back and played it a fourth time, and while it isn't anywhere near your favorites, you admit your opinion about the game and it's characters have changed a lot. I was wondering if your idea of "playing Final Fantasy" was getting to Garland and losing.

You'll always run into a person who favors something differently from a large group. I've been a big fan of Cloud ever since I got the game on the Playstation; in fact, my sole purpose of buying a PSX was for Final Fantasy 7. There was even a time period where I don't think I liked anyone more than him--although this could be attributed to my extremely long one year period of playing FF7 above all other games.

....Right.

There are other things along with that, but just one of the many reasons I like him. Unlike many others, I don't knock him for mental problem. Going through that kind of thing is never good, and he does manage to overcome all the problems he had.

The problem with this argument is that Cloud is not even close to being the only character to do this. As a matter of fact, you just described Squall perfectly. Is he one of your favorite characters? Cloud also isn't the first guy to do this, though he may have been the first you ran into. As a matter of fact, his character is an RPG cliche by 1997.

You said it yourself that you bought a PSX just for FF7, and spent a year constantly playing it, and that may be your reason for liking him so much, and I'm inclined to agree. Seeing better qualities in Cloud than other characters from his own game, much less his series, makes my brain hurt. Yes, a brain can actually hurt when things like this happen. -_-

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I am Lucid Faia.

He's showing just as much strength as last year, just Bomberman and Kirby were underestimated.

I made a topic about this stating what the goal was. I'm shooting for 35% tomorrow. Zero and Vivi have given me a little hope that Squall's got a shot at it.

Of course, 50001-50000 is the dream scenario.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Problem number one already has risen. You said "last year", that's not good when determing who can beat who in 2004. =p


I said a long, long time ago that in a rematch between Zero and Sonic I'd take the Red Maverick Hunter anyday of the week.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Frog kicking some serious ass along with Snake not being at a 2003 or even 2002 level. There's a difference between dropping and then dropping to the point where you can be beaten by a solid quanitity of characters who should never beat you.

Pfft, at least you admit that he's taken a huge dive.
You're right, he might not drop that far, but certainly far enough to get between 40% to 45% on 2003 MM.

I say this on Mega Man/Tidus.

If Snake can decrease out of nowhere, why can't Tidus?
Yes, a small factor of it is definitely MM's increase.
But the biggest factor is most likely Tidus's decrease.

So it's not odd for Snake to suddenly drop like mad after having a remake of his old game on the GameCube? Despite the 170,000 sales, him falling obviously doesn't need to be disputed but Master Chief or even Mega Man increasing is crazy? Riiight.

As I said, it's much more likely for chars to decrease than to increase.
It's even more so with icons like MM, he needs to benefit from something big to increase significantly.
MC has nothing to help him now as opposed to 2003, and an increase out of nowhere rarely ever happens.

There's no reason for Snake to decrease as much as you are trying to tell me either.

Well apparently he did, or at least came close to it.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

If all else fails, just stick to the first five (Find something other than Sephirmus Clinkman), or a classic, the "Big Three."

Like everyone's said though, we don't know who is elite yet. This contest has been very confusing.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Is it strange to think more than a few of the top 50 could have Frog for this match? I mean getting to this point in the contest comes from having a handle on past numbers and intuition for voting tendencies, so would it be odd to see a board favorite like Frog weasel his way into 5-10 top 50 brackets? It would not shock me, mainly because he was unproven, so noone knew just how strong he could be. Some on the board (myself included) where hyping him up to be the best thing since sliced meat. And you know what... he is going to end up being about 3500 or so votes from being just that.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Problem number one already has risen. You said "last year", that's not good when determing who can beat who in 2004. =p

yeah, I realized that but I still don't think zero could beat mario or crono, kind of like, well, Link/Samus, it just seems nintendo would side with link, I just don't think zero could do it, but there's always the fun of next year for that.

and with halo 2 coming soon, Master Chief is really going to be a tough competitor.
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Mega Man
Samus Aran
Link

Hopefully that is our big three this year. :)

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I am Lucid Faia.

I'd suggest the Fab Five, but I'd rather not be reminded of Michigan every time I use it.

The Fantastic Five? Though that would be more fitting with four.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

As an Ohio State Buckeye, I can say that we are NOT using the "Fab Five." XD

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I am Lucid Faia.

THE Ohio State? <Looks at Illini shirt> Buck the ****eyes!
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

The Big 5 might even be MORE interesting next year.

Samus is getting arguably the second biggest title (if not the second, the third) of 2004.

MegaMan is getting a lot of games

Sephiroth and Cloud are getting AC

Link's game will have been playable at E3, so we know if GREATEST GAME OF ALL UNIVERSAL HISTORY will apply to it or not.

Frog is beginning his comeback! Let's hope it is not too late!!!
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Ah, okay. I know you said this before, but I asked again because you also "played and hated" EarthBound three times, at which point I discovered that your definition of playing EarthBound was spending ten minutes in the game. You went back and played it a fourth time, and while it isn't anywhere near your favorites, you admit your opinion about the game and it's characters have changed a lot. I was wondering if your idea of "playing Final Fantasy" was getting to Garland and losing.

I assure you it was far more than "10 minutes" and I don't really hate any of the Final Fantasy titles, but really aren't a huge fan of any of them except FF7.

....Right.

Of course, Capcom supplied me with plenty more reason to own that PSX once I got it. ;) Just the initial reason was for FF7.

The problem with this argument is that Cloud is not even close to being the only character to do this.

I never tried to imply he was the first one, the best one, etc. but he's the one who I enjoyed seeing go through it and recover; and again I said that was one of many reasons. I just don't want to jump into a bunch of them for a stats topic about the contest.

As a matter of fact, you just described Squall perfectly. Is he one of your favorite characters? Cloud also isn't the first guy to do this, though he may have been the first you ran into. As a matter of fact, his character is an RPG cliche by 1997.

I never got into Squall, I never understood his problem as much as Cloud. Seeing why Cloud actually had a mental issue made plenty of sense and his turn around wasn't out of nowhere. He went through all of his problems past and figured everything out. And "cliche", "little character", "no personality", etc. aren't terms you want to use around me when you consider what I like/dislike. I don't need characters with the absolute greatest character development/background.

Cloud was just highly interesting to me and I've always saw him as one hell of a great character.

You said it yourself that you bought a PSX just for FF7, and spent a year constantly playing it, and that may be your reason for liking him so much,

That probably attributes to it. There was a time when I didn't like anyone more than Cloud and to say the least, I had FF7 down pat by playing that game for one full year repeatedly. =p

Seeing better qualities in Cloud than other characters from his own game, much less his series, makes my brain hurt. Yes, a brain can actually hurt when things like this happen. -_-

This will be us agreeing to constantly disagree. Now, at least you know I have some reasoning for liking him. I'm not sure you did before and if you still don't I'd be glad to provide more. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I don't know, if link's game is scheduled for june (4?) at best, is that enough time to give him a significant boost to overcome Samus?
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Frog will be hitting 48% soon enough!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

so would it be odd to see a board favorite like Frog weasel his way into 5-10 top 50 brackets?

>_>

<_<

*cries for bracket*
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

For me, Metroid Prime 2 is THE title of the year, though Fable ranks WAY up on my list after playing it.

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I am Lucid Faia.

I never got into Squall, I never understood his problem as much as Cloud. Seeing why Cloud actually had a mental issue made plenty of sense and his turn around wasn't out of nowhere.

I could go in-depth about why Squall is how he is, and why his turnaround wasn't out of nowhere, but this is hardly the place for it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Mega Man
Samus Aran
Link

Hopefully that is our big three this year. :)

I like, I like... oh, just one problem, replace Link with Cloud. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I am SO hoping that Zelda X will rawk the world.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Pfft, at least you admit that he's taken a huge dive.
You're right, he might not drop that far, but certainly far enough to get between 40% to 45% on 2003 MM.

I say this on Mega Man/Tidus.
If Snake can decrease out of nowhere, why can't Tidus?

Who in the hell said it was absolutely definite that Snake decreased all the way down to around 20th? Oh that's right, nothing.


Yes, a small factor of it is definitely MM's increase.
But the biggest factor is most likely Tidus's decrease.

The stupidest thing I've heard. Tidus had something, at least, to keep him constant throughout the year. Shadow even had a brand-new game across three platforms yet he's suppose to drop like a rock as well? Please.

As I said, it's much more likely for chars to decrease than to increase.

Yet Snake has no reason to decrease. None at all.

It's even more so with icons like MM, he needs to benefit from something big to increase significantly.

Finally, say hello to Mega Man Anniversary Collection.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Yeah Frog is doing great! At this rate, I expect Snake to end in the the number nine spot or maybe even ten.
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Lonely Angel
Zero may have fallen, but I will be by his side.

I could go in-depth about why Squall is how he is, and why his turnaround wasn't out of nowhere, but this is hardly the place for it.

Wouldn't mind hearing it sometime.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I am SO hoping that Zelda X will rawk the world.

You mean as much as WW did?
I hope not...

The last Zelda game that rock the world was OOT, nothing has exceeded it so far.
And I highly doubt it'll be exceeded soon.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I never tried to imply he was the first one, the best one, etc. but he's the one who I enjoyed seeing go through it and recover; and again I said that was one of many reasons.

I have no idea what you are like in real life, but the impression I'm getting is that your liking Cloud's character comes mostly from liking FF7. And I know you have your reasons for liking him, my problem is that after hearing those reasons, I think that "I like his hair" would be a better and more understandable reason for liking Cloud. I know you don't need character development and all of those storyline technqieus to like a character; neither do I. Other characters did what Cloud did much better, but they weren't in Final Fantasy VII, a game you devoted so much time to.

I argue too much. I have opinions about everything under the sun. I guess we'll agree to move on again.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

The last Zelda game that rock the world was OOT, nothing has exceeded it so far.
And I highly doubt it'll be exceeded soon.

You haven't played Four Swords Adventures. If there's a better four player "co-op" game than that, I haven't played it.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I like, I like... oh, just one problem, replace Link with Cloud. ;)

How about NO. XD

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

THE Ohio State? <Looks at Illini shirt> Buck the ****eyes!

Looking forward to owning the Fighting Illini again. :)

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

You mean as much as WW did?
I hope not...

WW was fine. It wasn't much worse than OoT.

The last Zelda game that rock the world was OOT, nothing has exceeded it so far.
And I highly doubt it'll be exceeded soon.

That's because you're a pessimist, a conformist, and first and foremost, someone who disagrees with Heroic Mario. XD
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Yeah, well, just wait until basketball... you are going to wish we only treated you like Link treated Ganondorf =)
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

We'll see. We'll have a new basketball coach, and this guy might know just how to beat Illinois and get our Big Ten title back. >:)

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

I have no idea what you are like in real life, but the impression I'm getting is that your liking Cloud's character comes mostly from liking FF7.

Not entirely true. I like FF7, but Cloud's character doesn't have anything to do with FF7 as far as the whole game goes. I like most of the other characters from that game as well, but the game as a whole (game play, graphics, sound, etc.) doesn't affect how I like Cloud as a character.

And I know you have your reasons for liking him, my problem is that after hearing those reasons, I think that "I like his hair" would be a better and more understandable reason for liking Cloud.

Well, I've only given you one basic reason thus far. That's the one that most people dislike him for.

Other characters did what Cloud did much better, but they weren't in Final Fantasy VII, a game you devoted so much time to.

For me I have to connect with those other characters who would have went through the same thing. Liking a character, for me, has many different factors but even if they did it "better" I liked the way Cloud went through it. See, "better" almost falls under having more character development or background. There may be characters who do all those things "better", but it wouldn't take away from my liking of a character who did it "worse".

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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

The last Zelda game that rock the world was OOT, nothing has exceeded it so far.
And I highly doubt it'll be exceeded soon.

Prepare to be shocked upon the release of The Legend of Zelda on the GameCube. Nintendo knows they have the next Ocarina of Time on their hands.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

There may be characters who do all those things "better", but it wouldn't take away from my liking of a character who did it "worse".

That's why Crono beats Magus.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Who in the hell said it was absolutely definite that Snake decreased all the way down to around 20th? Oh that's right, nothing.

Just look at his performance today, and last round as well.
He doesn't have to drop all the way to 20th, but certainly farther than you're willing to admit.

The stupidest thing I've heard. Tidus had something, at least, to keep him constant throughout the year. Shadow even had a brand-new game across three platforms yet he's suppose to drop like a rock as well? Please.

1. Tidus is not a likable char, I won't be surprised if he's forgotten in just 2 years.
2. Out of 4 char that has cameos in KH, he's the only one who doesn't increase, says a lot about his likability.
3. Have you even played FF X-2, any boost he may have had in 2003 due to that game's hype would be gone by now.
I have no clue about Shadow so I won't comment on him.

Yet Snake has no reason to decrease. None at all.

A char doesn't need a reason to decrease, time is enough.

Finally, say hello to Mega Man Anniversary Collection.

Maybe you should say hello to SFAC first.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Prepare to be shocked upon the release of The Legend of Zelda on the GameCube. Nintendo knows they have the next Ocarina of Time on their hands.

And once again, the blue corner's Master of Optimism wins!
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

1. Tidus is not a likable char, I won't be surprised if he's forgotten in just 2 years.

Stupidity is an amazing trait.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Well, I've only given you one basic reason thus far. That's the one that most people dislike him for.

I think that sums it up pretty nicely.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Prepare to be shocked upon the release of The Legend of Zelda on the GameCube. Nintendo knows they have the next Ocarina of Time on their hands.

I want the next ALttP, damnit...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

HM is right on that one. The Reggie-lution Zelda game is going to own. It could very well be the new Ocarina.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

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Stupidity is an amazing trait.

Since you're agreeing with HM, your comment is invalid.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Not everyone has the cash to get a GameBoy/GCN cable.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

I don't know what to think about Zelda 10. It could flop like Fable or it could be better than OoT (how, I don't know).

BTW, another petition to run into the ground:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=16313681
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Just look at his performance today, and last round as well.
He doesn't have to drop all the way to 20th, but certainly farther than you're willing to admit.

Oh, but see unless Master Chief rose he does have to drop down significantly like that. It's totally ridiculous to believe someone like him would suddenly drop insanely even after having a remade game on the GameCube. It should have minimized his fall or kept him constant.

1. Tidus is not a likable char, I won't be surprised if he's forgotten in just 2 years.

Yet he continues to do well time and time again in these contests. That's a horrible excuse that shouldn't even be brought up here. Some, like Lucid, would say the same thing about Cloud yet I don't see people forgetting him.

2. Out of 4 char that has cameos in KH, he's the only one who doesn't increase, says a lot about his likability.

Or the fact his role in the game wasn't enough to warrant a massive increase and this generation has been introduced to him on the PS2. Takes away from what KH did to the other, older FF characters.

3. Have you even played FF X-2, any boost he may have had in 2003 due to that game's hype would be gone by now.

No I have not played FFX-2; I do know the entire purpose of the game is to find Tidus. That game sold some 5 million copies and 2 million of those being here in America. It shouldn't have given him an increase, but at the very least stopped him from falling down to YOSHI's level. Heaven forbid if that's hard to believe.

I have no clue about Shadow so I won't comment on him.

Shadow and Tidus both have no reason to fall, yet if one does the other has too.

A char doesn't need a reason to decrease, time is enough.

Going from elite to a high mid-level character needs some sort of explanation. It's like Mario falling far below Tidus, you can't tell me, "Well looks like it just happened."
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Since you're agreeing with HM, your comment is invalid.

Seeing as I'm the one who brought it up and Heroic Mario joined MY side, I'd say you're just scrounging for pitiful excuses now.

Go Frog!! Slowwwly gaining. Slowww and steady.

Slowww, what's your comment?
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

I want the next ALttP, damnit...

I think Nintendo wants the next Ocarina of Time. It completely dominated other Zelda's in sales and had hype like one wouldn't believe right before it was released. That's what they need. ;)

What we want is this to be the best Zelda game to date.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I don't know what to think about Zelda 10. It could flop like Fable or it could be better than OoT (how, I don't know).

Fable didn't flop, unless you listen exclusively to smitelf.

And what do you mean you don't know how it could be better than OoT? I mean, Chrono Trigger already did it, Majora's Mask already did it.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Seeing as I'm the one who brought it up and Heroic Mario joined MY side, I'd say you're just scrounging for pitiful excuses now.

And cutting into other's argument is begging for trouble.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Uh oh, someone who's not Ulti made the next topic.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
74/76/192 Next tough pick: Snake??

I think Nintendo wants the next Ocarina of Time. It completely dominated other Zelda's in sales and had hype like one wouldn't believe right before it was released. That's what they need. ;)

I'm talking about how good the game is, not the hype. OoT certainly owned every other Zelda in hype. I just think that ALttP is the better game.

What we want is this to be the best Zelda game to date.

Of course. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And cutting into other's argument is begging for trouble.

If I see something I disagree with, I comment on it. Trouble or not, I do it.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

I mean, Chrono Trigger already did it

Yes, I give you that. But comparing OoT and CT is always a painful experience to me.

Majora's Mask already did it.

(p-_-)p
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

I'm talking about how good the game is, not the hype. OoT certainly owned every other Zelda in hype. I just think that ALttP is the better game.

It owned them is sales as well, as well as the majority's opinion on what is the best Zelda game. I think A Link to the Past is a little bit better than OoT too, but they want another OoT all-around. Besides, neither of them were bad games.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Majora's Mask was not as inferior as many try to make it. =_=;;;
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

It's not inferior, it's worthless.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Gameplay style, it'll be all OoT. Sorry to disappoint.

Though, it will surpass all of its predecessors.

Meanwhile, Frog will beat Solid Snake. Book it.

;x
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

For my money, MM was just as good as OoT, if not better.
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It owned them is sales as well, as well as the majority's opinion on what is the best Zelda game. I think A Link to the Past is a little bit better than OoT too, but they want another OoT all-around. Besides, neither of them were bad games.

Well owned most of them in sales:

http://media.cube.ign.com/media/572/572738/img_2055581.html

Zelda's 6.510 million to OoT's 7.6 million doesn't scream "owned" to me. But besides that exception, yeah...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It's not inferior, it's worthless.

Your logic I do understand not!

Interesting considering that your favorite three games are Chrono, OoT, and FF6 while mine are Chrono, MM, and FF6. 0.o...

And while I would normally thank Doma Dragon, his opinion isn't generally something I accept as logical.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Never got into MM... though admittedly by the time I got it my PS2 had arrived, bearing gifts of FFX. So it was never given a fair chance. However, given how awesome OoT was, MM would have a very difficult time unseating OoT as my favorite Zelda game.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Zelda's 6.510 million to OoT's 7.6 million doesn't scream "owned" to me. But besides that exception, yeah...

Exceeding it by 1.1 million seems pretty large to me, but that's where we would see things differently.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Gameplay style, it'll be all OoT. Sorry to disappoint.

Something interesting that I remember from the descriptions of the two minute video is that the camera was in an ALttP-esque view when doing puzzles and then went behind-the-back like OoT when engaging an enemy.

Maybe that would make it "feel" a bit more like ALttP...

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

HM, I have the foresight to know Cloud is a popular character. My opinion is that the reasons for him being popular as misplaced. We discussed this earlier. -_-

And Fable is far from a flop. It's one of the best games I've played this year.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

A good thing about MM is the Termina Field music. Best overworld mix EVAR. But other than that, the game just felt like one giant sidequest, and the only area that caught my eye was Stone Tower, which I'll concede was better than any Zelda dungeon to date. But one dungeon and one music don't make a game, sorry.

Funny how I like Nintendo over all other companies, but my four most hated games are also all from them.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

HM, I have the foresight to know Cloud is a popular character. My opinion is that the reasons for him being popular as misplaced. We discussed this earlier. -_-

Just using you as an example of someone who doesn't find a certain character likable, yet they are very popular. I've seen that excuse for Tidus many a time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Exceeding it by 1.1 million seems pretty large to me, but that's where we would see things differently.

Well that is a large difference, but when compared to the difference between OoT and the rest of the Zelda games, it seems pretty small.

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Tnote... you chose a MOVIE over one of the best games ever made? For shame, for shame.

I have yet to play much of FFX though. DDRMAX2 is taking up all my PS2 time.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Well that is a large difference, but when compared to the difference between OoT and the rest of the Zelda games, it seems pretty small.

STATS CONNEXION:

It's liek FFVII pwning everything, but OoT coming a bit closer than everything else. WHOAMG GENIUS.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Frog needs 0.09% to reach 48%. I think he'll do it. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

How are we doing vote-total wise?
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

I choose a new console RPG over my obsolete RPG. How was I suppose to know it was a movie??? Not to mention voice acting really does make a game more enjoyable. Case in point: Vice City. Without Ray Liotta, Tommy Vecettti would be Tanner.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Frog needs 0.09% to reach 48%. I think he'll do it. =)

And the only other times I've ever been happier by a result in this contest are Mario over Cloud in 2k2 and Magus getting 35% on Link last year.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retian'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

What if Vercetti and Tails had the same VA? o_O

And thanks for the support on board 7. Guess we have to shoot down n00bs all over the place, now.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

My opinions:

Majora's Mask is not Ocarina Of Time, but it is a good game that was very fun to play.

Vice City is a terrible game. GTA2 and GTA3 are where it's at.

Cyan Garamonde > All.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

And thanks for the support on board 7. Guess we have to shoot down n00bs all over the place, now.

Which was I supposed to sign? I anti-signed.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Vice City is not a terrible game. It is what it is: pure enjoyment. Decent story line, some decent characters, awesome voice acting and a wonderful soundtrack.

And I have never played Sonic Heroes, but if Ray Liotta loaned his voice to the cast for Tails, I think I am going to just go shoot myself with a mega blaster right now.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Well, I just read it. Guess I did the right thing =)
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

No, I mean if the VA who did Tails in Heroes also did Vercetti. Fodder to Tanner maybe?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

Oooooh, I get you now. Again, haven't touched Sonic Heroes, but from what I have heard about Tails in that game, if that clown was the voice of the Italian anti-hero, I am thinking Gordon Freeman might be hanging up 90% on him.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

How was I supposed to know that it was a movie?

After the first two hours involved ten minutes of gameplay? =P
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Want to hear my opinion?

Majora's Mask is the second best Zelda game and one of the 20 greatest games of all time.

Dungeon design was AMAZING. The sidequests were great. The game was just so much fun.

The only Zelda game that beats Majora's Mask is Link to the Past and, well, its the greatest game of all time.

My Ranking of the Zeldas:

LTTP
Majora's Mask
Legend of Zelda
Wind Waker
Ocarina of Time
Four Swords
Link's Awakening
Oracle of Ages/Seasons
Adventure of Link

IIRC, it was not that bad. However, Xenosaga is another story. I have put in about 2 hours and 30 minutes into that game, and I can honestly say without exaggeration I have controlled characters for maybe 20% of that.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Majora's Mask was incredible.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Majora's Mask did have great dungeon design. But there were only four of them. What happened to the LoZ's with 10 plus dungeons, where each and every one of them are excellent? Like Link to the Past, or even Ocarina of Time or the original. 4 dungeons isn't enough.

0.06% more for Frog. Hooray!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Majora's Mask = good idea, bad execution. It had potential, but I couldn't ever connect with it.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Indeed, one of the game's flaws is its length.

Dabu is god.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

Why...Frog...doing...well?

*cries*
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It took me longer to beat Majora's Mask than it did Ocarina of Time. Ocarina of Time is basically dungeon --> dungeon --> dungeon, while in Majora's Mask there were tons of things to do between dungeons.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Majora's Mask = good idea, bad execution. It had potential, but I couldn't ever connect with it.

As a person who started Zelda w/Majora's Mask, I honestly can say that I think just the opposite. Not the greatest premise to buidl a game on, but they succeeded wth flying colors.
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

It took me longer to beat Majora's Mask than it did Ocarina of Time. Ocarina of Time is basically dungeon --> dungeon --> dungeon, while in Majora's Mask there were tons of things to do between dungeons.

But.. OoT.. so... ****ing.. hard...
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

I dunno, I'd rather spend 80% of the game doing dungeons than side-quests.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 068/076 - Matches: 47/51 - Rank: 00797/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

It took me longer to beat Majora's Mask than it did Ocarina of Time. Ocarina of Time is basically dungeon --> dungeon --> dungeon, while in Majora's Mask there were tons of things to do between dungeons.

This is true. However, I have more fun working my way through dungeons than doing sidequests, so I'm always up for more dungeons. Maybe the reason LttP is my favorite game is because there's 14 glorious dungeons.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I'm with Dabu. Dungeons aren't everything (if that's what he's saying)
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Crono ~ Solid Snake ~ Cloud ~ Sonic
SC2K4: 50/52 Matches

But.. OoT.. so... ****ing.. hard...

Speaking as an elitist bastard who beat OoT with 3 hearts and no optional items or fairies without dying, no it's not. The only hard bosses were Shadow Link and Bongo Bongo. Heh, I used a trick to avoid picking up the Kokiri Sword and I think Young Link's dungeons were easier using Deku Sticks instead of the little knife.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Er, MM was a POS. Too many lame side quests.
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Crash.

Oh, but see unless Master Chief rose he does have to drop down significantly like that. It's totally ridiculous to believe someone like him would suddenly drop insanely even after having a remade game on the GameCube. It should have minimized his fall or kept him constant.

Look, I like Snake, but after 2 rounds of underperformance what other option do I have?
Accept that MC got a huge boost out of nowhere, that's even more ridiculous.

Yet he continues to do well time and time again in these contests. That's a horrible excuse that shouldn't even be brought up here. Some, like Lucid, would say the same thing about Cloud yet I don't see people forgetting him.

When everybody else got a massive boost in 2003 and he didn't, that alone sounds like a drop to me.

Or the fact his role in the game wasn't enough to warrant a massive increase and this generation has been introduced to him on the PS2. Takes away from what KH did to the other, older FF characters.

If you assume that Tidus is new enough to not need a boost from KH, then shouldn't he increased from FF X "settling in"?
It's been out for less than a year at the time of the 2002 contest, not to mention FF X-2 hype.
But he remained where he was in 2003 despite everything pointing him to go up.

Now that all of those "additional" factors has gone away and/or waned, his drop shouldn't be a surprise.

No I have not played FFX-2; I do know the entire purpose of the game is to find Tidus. That game sold some 5 million copies and 2 million of those being here in America. It shouldn't have given him an increase, but at the very least stopped him from falling down to YOSHI's level. Heaven forbid if that's hard to believe.

SPOILER:

He had absolutely NO ROLE, other than a cameo at the very end.

END OF SPOILER.

Shadow and Tidus both have no reason to fall, yet if one does the other has too.

Going from elite to a high mid-level character needs some sort of explanation. It's like Mario falling far below Tidus, you can't tell me, "Well looks like it just happened."

I got to go now, I'll answer the rest sometime later.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

When everybody else got a massive boost in 2003 and he didn't, that alone sounds like a drop to me.

Aeris didn't get a massive boost. Just Leon, Bat-Cloud, and the optional boss Sephiroth.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Plus, Tidus may have had to contend with WDF.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

...and it is almost 52/48!
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Frog 48% 32180
Solid Snake 52% 34862

Joy Cookies!

*doesn't expect anyone to get the reference*
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Why...Frog...doing...well?

Because Frog owns. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Frog is Mr. Night Vote.

Any chance he can take this?

2700 vote deficit. Starcraft couldn't win this. I'm amazed that Frog is doing so well, but he can't win.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Look, I like Snake, but after 2 rounds of underperformance what other option do I have?

To not assume that he dropped down to such an absurd level and wait until more things can be confirmed. You totally ignored such things as Knuckles increasing from the previous round, and attributed it all to Snake dropping.

Accept that MC got a huge boost out of nowhere, that's even more ridiculous.

Not nearly as ridiculous as Snake dropping from elite to someone who's only good for the Sweet 16.

When everybody else got a massive boost in 2003 and he didn't, that alone sounds like a drop to me.

He gained from 2002 to 2003 though it was around 0.41%. Also, just because you do not gain massively doesn't mean you dropped. There's a little thing called "staying the same".


If you assume that Tidus is new enough to not need a boost from KH, then shouldn't he increased from FF X "settling in"?

Who in the world says that should increase a character? You are letting that wild speculation about Metroid Prime spread to your head. There's nothing that even suggests that "settling in" helps a character out. Furthermore, FFX came out in 2001 why would it need a good three years to settle in?

It's been out for less than a year at the time of the 2002 contest, not to mention FF X-2 hype.

You use FFX-2 hype then discredit Halo 2 hype possibly helping out Master Chief. Excellent.

But he remained where he was in 2003 despite everything pointing him to go up.

Nothing pointed to him going up.

Now that all of those "additional" factors has gone away and/or waned, his drop shouldn't be a surprise.

The factors you presented are nothing but garbage. You use something that hasn't proven in the slightest to be something that would affect a character's performance.

He had absolutely NO ROLE, other than a cameo at the very end.

I said he shouldn't have increased, but he shouldn't have decreased either; hence why I'm arguing him staying the same like he has for two years now.

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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

I doubt he'd win, but I'd love to see him start coming back later tonight.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
*All bow Down to wg64Z, for He has pwnd me...again*

Frog is catching up percentage wise, but it's gotta level off since the vote differential has been about the same for the last hour or two. He could get a night vote boost, and that'll make it closer than it is now, but Snake seems to do well in the evenings too.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Well... it has long been thought that 3000 is the magical plateau. This stemming from DK getting pwned by Duck Hunt for the 2nd half of the vote, and still DH could not overcome 3000. This match never got to 3000. I mean... it probably will before it is all said and done, but Frog will not make up 2700 votes. He had about a 30 vote lead at most last evening during the vote, so there is not even any history to think he can pull it off. I fully expect him to keep this under 52, and make a run towards 51.5, but anything more than that is a pipe dream.
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Anxiously awaiting... LINK vs. crono
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 9 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

Snake under 52% now...if the night vote favors Frog, he could even bring ol' Solid below 51%...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Snake under 52% now...if the night vote favors Frog, he could even bring ol' Solid below 51%...

In which case I would be amazed and in shock.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Frog has won the moral victory, since questions about his true strength in this contest can be layed to rest now. I'm content enough as is.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Someone who I didn't know actually IMed me earlier asking me to vote for Frog. :(

I promptly went and voted for Snake.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Someone who I didn't know actually IMed me earlier asking me to vote for Frog. :(

I promptly went and voted for Snake.

Congrats. You win!
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

I said from the beginning Frog vrs Snake would be closer than people thought.... tho I never speak much so i doubt anyone remembers.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Seems Solid/Liquid are more closely compared to Cloud/Sephiroth in terms of how close they are together. I'm now curious about a Solid vs. Liquid match, as if there is any reverse SFF at all, Liquid could pull an upset there.

Of course, 90% chance that Solid would win but still, who knows...
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

SFF would be greatly in Solid's favor.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

I see Solid/Liquid as more of a Link/Ganon or Crono/Magus thing.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

Or Solid/Raiden.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Once again, that would be more like Link/Gannon than a close match.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Raiden/Liquid would be rough.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Raiden/Liquid would be rough.

I wonder if I could work that into my bracket? Hmm...
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

RPGuy: it's from Dragon Warrior 5, the most hilarious phrase in that game :)
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"Oh my God, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican!" - Bart Simpson

I'm very happy that Frog's doing well, because not only does it make the board happy with Frog actually being quite strong, but it also gives much more credit to Master Chief, someone I think this board underestimates a lot.
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RPGuy: it's from Dragon Warrior 5, the most hilarious phrase in that game :)

Hooray! Congratulations!

And yeah, I would certainly expect Master Chief to be "Tidus in green armor" next year.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Master Chief already is Tidus in green armor, since he lost in a close match that many/most people on the board expected to be a solid win for Frog...kinda like how Tidus lost in a close match that many/most people on the board expected to be a solid win for Ganondorf last year.

With Halo 2 next year, and if Frog keeps this up (especially if he makes it closer), Master Chief will be Noble Nine material AND a sexy upset special.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Master Chief in the Noble Nine?

If you say that out loud, it sounds so...dirty.

I love the Chief too...but O.o
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

MC wouldn't have had the huge come back without Bungie. Don't rely on this years stats to show his true strength. He's just like Mario of 2k2.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

While I love Frog and am glad to see him doing so well, I am also very SURPRISED to see him doing so well. I expected Snake to mop the floor with him. How much of this do you think can be attributed to Snake looking like a pile of poop (TPF)?
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"Oh my God, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican!" - Bart Simpson

Pictures amount to no more than an estimated 2% when the characters are well known.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

ah, and this statistic of yours... is it made-up? ;)
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"Oh my God, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican!" - Bart Simpson

With Halo 2 next year, and if Frog keeps this up (especially if he makes it closer), Master Chief will be Noble Nine material AND a sexy upset special.

Hell no. Frog goes in the Noble Nine first before MC.
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Hell no. Frog goes in the Noble Nine first before MC.

What's that I hear? Tidus in green, Harrich?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Even Frog doesn't sound right in there. I like the Noble Nine the way it is now.

But what would make it better, is if Ganon or Shadow could move up in there.

Or KIRBY! That would be awesome.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)

MC wouldn't have had the huge come back without Bungie. Don't rely on this years stats to show his true strength. He's just like Mario of 2k2.

In both Ryu/Jill and Frog/MC, there were very similar voting patterns; the only big difference is that Master Chief got much more votes in his surge than Ryu did...and I'd say because, if those patterns are truly the sign of the X-Box vote, Master Chief's game is the reason most people got the X-Box in the first place. The Bungie site surely helped afew votes, but I still strongly consider MC right in Frog's/Liquid's league, or else Master Chief's surge wouldn't have died off.

Plus, Halo 2 in November...tell me he won't get a boost from that.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Tai, I mean next year.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Heh...Just noticed I have Master Chief/Tidus as a 4/5 seed battle in my mock bracket...I wonder who the board would back on that one...
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Okay, forget Noble Nine, Super Seven, and all that. After 2004, here is what we will have.

"Samus."

Yes, just like 2002 where we had "Link." There's no real way to decipher true strengths from this gimmick tournament, so if Link or Samus plow through everyone else like it looks they're going to, just let them be the one or two separated from everyone else.

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Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Acote.... see sig *wink* But i really do doubt pics matter much in close matches.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

errr not close.... well recognized character matches.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Just dropping in to say...

Go Squall!
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Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Okay, forget Noble Nine, Super Seven, and all that. After 2004, here is what we will have.

"Samus."

Oh, Samus would still have a title to her...I'd give her the "Uno Ultimate" tier, myself.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Next year is acutally what I meant...along with this year, of course. The day he ever gets on it is the day Tanner wins a contest. If Bungie.net never came, Frog would have ass-whooped MC, no doubt...and after all that, MC STILL lost. Forget it, MC is never getting on the Noble Nine.

Whether he deserves it or not(definitely not) is irrevelant. It's not going to happen.
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Sephirmus Clinkman, away!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Winnar?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (72/76)