Damn, Samus looks impressive.

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

So, who does everyone have? Crono or Mario? I have Mario, hopefully he'll take it for the 3rd time in a row.
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Should I just sip on some tea, say cheerio, and have a biscuit if I am upset with you? - Sir Chris

Go Samus! Break 81%!
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

I'll be rooting for Mario...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Samus - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (58/62)

I hope Samus wins the contest!
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SC2K4 Score: 58/62
Today's Pick: Samus

I have Mario.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

I have Mario too, and I'll be pissed if he loses. Not because of my bracket, but because I've played Chrono Trigger since the last contest and found out that Crono had no reason to be that strong in the first place.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/062 - Matches: 44/47 - Rank: 00150/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

I've got Crono. I don't really have any personal preference. I like them both fairly equally.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Noble Nine 2004:

Mega Man: 50%
Samus: 49.95%
Link: 49.94%
Cloud: 49.85%
Sephiroth: 49.49%
Crono: 45.01%
Mario: 44.98%
Sonic: 42.09%
Snake: 41.99%
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SC2K4 Score: 58/62
Today's Pick: Samus

Slowflake, two things: one, how far are you in Chrono Trigger?

Two, I liked your write up in the last topic, save for the crack on Dabu. Not agreeing with the Xsts in the way you do doesn't make him a troll within the stats topic.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I'd think most of the Top 50 would have Crono, though if Mario wins, I wouldn't be surprised to see the correctly predcited at over 50%...

(I have Mario too, BTW)
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User seconds: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15913881
Pick: Samus. Vote: Samus. 55/62

Sonic: 42.09%

I think we can conclusively disprove that, given how Ryu did against Sonic. There's no way Sonic is finishes above 40% on the winner, and it's doubtful that he breaks 35%.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

I have Crono...

If he wins and Cloud wins the contest, I'll have a really good score...
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Tanner. The only guy Gordon can call a loser and not sound like a hypocrite. - Slowflake

Tag
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See my writings at http://www.alexkaulfuss.com as the GrandioseGadfly
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

I don't think Sonic changes much from last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Beaten CT a bunch of times.

As far as the comment on Dabu goes... well, he said the X-Sts were completely useless, essentially. If that's not just asking for it, I don't know what does.

But I'll pass, since you seem to make a living out of defending poor trolls anyway.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/062 - Matches: 44/47 - Rank: 00150/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

So you too know the injustice of Crono beating Magus? Sallyforth brother, and vote for Mario!
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

I have Crono...but will vote Mario.
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~ Rogers Hornsby

o_O I rarely, if ever, defend trolls. I simply don't find Dabu to be one. As for his bashing of the Xsts, I have no problems with that. They are effective to a point, but that's only to a point. CATS scoring 12% on Link doesn't mean that my paper plate is scoring 36% on a flat Pepsi. Each poll has a life of its own, and though the Xsts are religiously used when they are right, everything gets passed off as any one of a hundred different, and often unproveable, "margain of error" factors when they are wrong.

And did you get Frog's ending yet? It's my personal favorite, even if the wrong character wins.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

There's no proof that Frog wins! That big puffy thing on the castle could just be Magus swollen up from their fight.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

It's my personal favorite, even if the wrong character wins.

You can't tell who wins. All you see is a dark figure standing on top of the castle. It could be either one.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Heroic Mario produced a closeup screenshot of that ending, and if you stand far enough away from your computer screen, you can tell that it's Frog.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

*kicks topic*
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

Even though the other topicisn't finish I want to post this here

2004 Rankings

Link - 50.00%
CATS - 12.17%
Ganondorf - 12.10%
Alucard - 10.37%

Yoshi - 50.00%
Luigi - 45.52%
Pac-Man - 29.38%
Ryo - 23.60%

Crono - 50.00%
Magus - 30.22%
Conker - 22.01%
Luca - 11.46%

Mario - 50.00%
Bowser - 29.35%
JC Denton - 16.46%
Guybrush - 9.98%

Mega Man - 50.00%
Tidus - 35.22%
Shadow - 34.65%
Earthworm Jim - 17.02%

Zero - 50.00%
Tommy Vercetti - 38.16%
Max - 29.03%
Protoman - 28.28%

Frog - 50.00%
Master Chief - 50.00%
Liquid Snake - 49.95%
Crash - 29.28%

Solid Snake - 50.00%
Knuckles - 40.46%
Kefka - 34.42%
Tanner - 5.70%

Cloud - 50.00%
Duke - 19.81%
Vyse - 18.59%
Laharl - 14.79%

Squall - 50.00%
Kirby - 44.99%
Bomberman - 35.25%
Kain - 31.81%

Auron - 50.00%
Scorpion - 35.15%
Ness - 34.96%
Jak - 31.41%

Sephiroth - 50.00%
Vivi - 29.75%
Donkey Kong - 25.90%
Sly - 13.63%

Sonic - 50.00%
Ryu - 44.46%
KOS-MOS - 33.67%
Terry - 19.16%

Dante - 50.00%
Tails - 42.60%
Viewtiful Joe - 38.51%
Ratchet - 19.72%

Sora - 50.00%
Ryu Hayabusa - 38.28%
Jill - 38.26%
HK-47 - 34.45%

Samus - 50.00%
Sam - 19.03%
Lara - 17.61%
Gordon - 16.96%

Looks like the Sora 4-pack was the closest
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

I don't know. That Frog four pack seems a lot closer even with Crash's number.

Frog - 50.00%
Master Chief - 50.00%
Liquid Snake - 49.95%
Crash - 29.28%

Pretty awe-inspiring, really.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Will Link hit 81%? He's gaining rapidly.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Is anyone else positively dreading Auron's imminent slaughter at the hands of Sephiroth? This seriously makes me cry; Sephiroth is my 2nd fav villain of all time (1st is Grand Admiral Thrawn from the Star Wars books) but Auron is by far the greatest VG character EVER (IMHO) and to see him going into this match that he cannot win just makes me weep.

Here's a random thought: in an ACTUAL fight, do you think Auron could beat Sephiroth?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

So... Samus looks to challenge Cloud, Link breaks 80% on Yoshi, and Mario is going to get creamed tomorrow.

This is great. :)
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Is anyone else positively dreading Auron's imminent slaughter at the hands of Sephiroth?

Yes. Auron is my favorite Final Fantasy character, hands down, and seeing him lose will make me a sad panda.

Here's a random thought: in an ACTUAL fight, do you think Auron could beat Sephiroth?

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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Why does Crono/Mario have to be on a school day? Oh right, because CJay broke the Ryu/Jill poll and blamed it on CATS. Damn you CJay!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 63/68 Next Pick: Mario

Thank goodness one of you agrees with me. Smitelf, you are my new best friend! Auron fanboys (or fangirls) rule!

Now if only you hated Seymour and liked Tifa we'd really be getting somewhere.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Alucard would do better than that against Link. He'd get at least in the 20-25% range.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
62/64/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

Now if only you hated Seymour and liked Tifa we'd really be getting somewhere.

Seymour I thought was okay (no more than that) and Tifa is absurd. Sorry.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Noble Nine 1st round/2nd round performances: Adjusted values against Link2k3

Link [CATS] 55.55%: [Ganondorf] 143.47%
Crono [Conker] 41.21%: [Magus] 57.79%
Mario [Bowser] 52.76%
Mega Man [Tidus] 48.62%
Snake [Knuckles] 32.71%
Cloud [Milkem] 46.59%: [Vyse] 51.24%
Sephiroth [Vivi/DK] 49.71%
Sonic [Ryu] 34.51%
Samus [Lara] 64.88%: [Sam] 61.93%

Throwing out SFF matches (like 143.47% for Link) and averaging the two percentages when needed to, here's your Noble Nine thus far:

Samus 63.41%
Link 55.55%
Sephiroth 49.71%
Cloud 48.92%
Mega Man 48.62%
Crono 41.21%
Sonic 34.51%
Snake 32.71%

Mario can't be evaluated due to JC Denton and an SFF match with Bowser. Sephirmus Clinkman (or simply Samus) looks good, and Crono went up, too. Sonic and Snake, meanwhile, dropped down. If you throw out the Milkem match, Cloud climbs above Seph, but with it in, he's averaging lower than the One Winged Angel.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

It's cause of the SFF in Link vrs. Gannon PT. I think CjayC wanted to mess with the extrapolateds for next year. Thats why he did all the SFF matches. He wanted less high scores... Well probably not, but thats what I'd do.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

I realize it's due to SFF. It's just that those numbers don't take SFF into account.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
62/64/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

true, but he doesn't know the power of adjusted stats

also for next year if anyone asks just show them the unadjusted
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

You're gonna have to do some crazy adjusting to account for the different amounts of SFF in different matches...

I'd say one way to go would be to combine 2k3 and 2k4 numbers in some way.
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I figured I should have a sig. So I have a sig.

Alright, here's my pseudo-2005 bracket. This is just the initial draft; if there's any important characters missing, I'll make sure to add them in a later version. I also wanted to add a Fire Emblem character in there somewhere, but I'll wait for your suggestions first.

I KNOW the seeding is not perfect; I had to take a few liberties in order to make more interesting matchups.

North Division:

1- Link
16- Tanner

8- Felix
9- Wario

5- Strider Hiryu
12- Ryu Hayabusa

4- Squall Leonheart
13- Sarah Kerrigan

6- Mewtwo
11- Fox McCloud

3- Ganondorf
14- CATS

7- Luigi
10- Knuckles

2- Snake
15- Lara Croft

East Division:

1- Sephiroth
16- Mr. Driller

8- Donkey Kong
9- Morrigan Aensland

5- Aeris Gainsborough
12- Ness

4- Zelda
13- Earthworm Jim

6- Vivi
11- Kirby

3- Sonic
14- Protoman

7- Serge
10- Tails

2- Crono
15- Raiden

South Division:

1- Mario
16- Luca Blight

8- Liquid Snake
9- Master Chief

5- Auron
12- Captain Falcon

4- Tidus
13- Bomberman

6- Frog
11- Alucard

3- Magus
14- Gordon Freeman

7- Scorpion
10- Kefka

2- Samus
15- Duke Nukem

West Division:

1- Cloud
16- Laharl

8- Tommy Vercetti
9- Aya Brea

5- Bowser
12- Vincent Valentine

4- Ryu (SF)
13- Sam Fisher

6- Sora
11- Jill Valentine

3- Shadow (SA2)
14- Pac-Man

7- Yoshi
10- Zidane

2- Mega Man
15- Servbot

Tell me what y'all think.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Pheduik: You have Kerrigan but I think she'd be a good person to put in an 8/9 or 7/10 match.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Not just because of personal preference, either, I might add; she has decent upset or flop potential, so it'd be better to put her in a more uncertain match.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Link vs. Yoshi @ 10:45:27 - 43,621
Tidus vs. Shadow @ 10:45:29 - 44,114

Not bad.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Seymour I thought was okay (no more than that) and Tifa is absurd. Sorry.

May I ask why? I always thought she was a great character and I hated how everyone judged her based on her admittedly unrealistic appearance. She always seemed so real to me otherwise, to the point where I felt that she more than almost any other FF characters could be a real person. Plus I'm a sucker for the tragic hero/heroine.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Not just because of personal preference, either, I might add; she has decent upset or flop potential, so it'd be better to put her in a more uncertain match.

Making a balanced bracket is surprisingly difficult; I had to strike the fine line between letting in some characters based on status (Lara and Pac-Man) while kicking out losers who shouldn't be in the contest anymore (Crash Bandicoot.)

In a later draft, I'll try to give her a better draw, though.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

While i would not be massively surprised if Kerrigan did take down squall, i think he may be pushing a little high. As has been said, putting her in an 8/9 or 7/10 would give her a huge upset potential.

I couldnt see her downing Squall, but I can see her beating kirby..hmm...
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

5- Bowser
12- Vincent Valentine

Whoah. I would so be going for that upset.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Tifa and the FF7 characters aren't that realistic, with the possible exception of Aeris. For the most part, they just play the role of a stereotype.
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The extrapolated statistics essentially rely on the premise that voting patterns are transitive; that is, that a voter who votes A > B and B > C will likewise vote A > C. If there exist scenarios such that the first two conditions hold but a voter will vote C > A, then the transitivity assumption breaks down and the extrapolated statistics lose their meaning. As such, to demonstrate my lack of faith in the extrapolated statistics, I will construct a (what I believe to be likely) scenario where the transitivity assumption fails.

Consider tomorrow's match: the fated twenty-four (and a half) hours between our silent protagonist from Chrono Trigger and our silent protagonist from Super Mario RPG. I and, I hope, many others will be voting for Crono tomorrow, because I like Crono more than I do Mario. If Crono wins, then I, and presumably many others, will have a fairly decent bracket, where we will have the silent protagonist Link defeating Crono in our brackets. In an attempt to preserve our brackets, I would surmise that a majority of us would vote for Link on that day. Now, in order for the transitivity assumption to hold, this would require that we would also vote for Link over Mario if Mario ... wins... again. However, this is not the case, as I like Mario more than I do Link (I don't have to justify why, but it's because I prefer Mario's games), and will vote as such, thus violating the presumption of transitivity. Further, I strongly believe that this example is not unique, and that I could "cook up" many other similar examples; I simply chose this one because it is the upcoming match.

Even if transitivity were to hold, there are many other factors which I believe throw the extrapolated statistics into strong question; however, with the presumption of transitivity so easily refuted I do not believe it is necessary.

Further, I do not believe that I have done anything to deserve being referred to as a forum troll; in fact, one could make an argument that Slowflake is actually a troll (for attacking those who disagree with him), but that would be childish on my part and as such will not do so.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

May I ask why? I always thought she was a great character and I hated how everyone judged her based on her admittedly unrealistic appearance. She always seemed so real to me otherwise, to the point where I felt that she more than almost any other FF characters could be a real person. Plus I'm a sucker for the tragic hero/heroine.

I'll roughly agree that Tifa felt more realistic personality-wise than the rest of the FF7 cast. Whoever designed her appearance needs to be slapped, of course.
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Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision

I gotta agree with Dabu there, though that particular example doesn't work for me.

And I never thought of him as a troll, especially considering this well-thought-out post. Trolls attack people who disagree with them, which Dabu isn't doing here. He's not trolling, he's debating.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

The extrapolated statistics essentially rely on the premise that voting patterns are transitive; that is, that a voter who votes A > B and B > C will likewise vote A > C. If there exist scenarios such that the first two conditions hold but a voter will vote C > A, then the transitivity assumption breaks down and the extrapolated statistics lose their meaning. As such, to demonstrate my lack of faith in the extrapolated statistics, I will construct a (what I believe to be likely) scenario where the transitivity assumption fails.

Consider tomorrow's match: the fated twenty-four (and a half) hours between our silent protagonist from Chrono Trigger and our silent protagonist from Super Mario RPG. I and, I hope, many others will be voting for Crono tomorrow, because I like Crono more than I do Mario. If Crono wins, then I, and presumably many others, will have a fairly decent bracket, where we will have the silent protagonist Link defeating Crono in our brackets. In an attempt to preserve our brackets, I would surmise that a majority of us would vote for Link on that day. Now, in order for the transitivity assumption to hold, this would require that we would also vote for Link over Mario if Mario ... wins... again. However, this is not the case, as I like Mario more than I do Link (I don't have to justify why, but it's because I prefer Mario's games), and will vote as such, thus violating the presumption of transitivity. Further, I strongly believe that this example is not unique, and that I could "cook up" many other similar examples; I simply chose this one because it is the upcoming match.

You have no idea how long I have been trying to figure out a way to express that flaw in the extrapolateds in words.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I agree with Dabu to a certain level.

I only rely on XP stats for matches that have seemingly contrasting fanbases. Cloud Vs. Sonic. Stuff like that...

I wouldn't even rely on them for things like Lara Croft Vs. Samus or Sam Fisher Vs. Samus, which is why I'm not particularly surprised at her performance.


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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

6- Vivi
11- Kirby

You suck.
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BtT: 3:53.43 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

The extrapolated statistics essentially rely on the premise that voting patterns are transitive; that is, that a voter who votes A > B and B > C will likewise vote A > C. If there exist scenarios such that the first two conditions hold but a voter will vote C > A, then the transitivity assumption breaks down and the extrapolated statistics lose their meaning. As such, to demonstrate my lack of faith in the extrapolated statistics, I will construct a (what I believe to be likely) scenario where the transitivity assumption fails.

That is by far NOT the biggest problem with the extrapolated statistics; in fact I'd say that transitivity largely holds among individual voters...or close enough. The problem is....

Person 1
A > B > C

Person 2
B > C > A

Person 3
C > A > B

With these three people, A beats B with 67%. B beats C with 67%. C beats A with 67%. So while the INDIVIDUALS were transitive, the group as a whole is NOT transitive.
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Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision

i.e. So you're saying if Mario could do beter against Link even if Crono beats Mario? Okay...what about the possibility of guys who would vote Crono > Link, Link > Mario, and Mario > Crono? Obviously, people disobey this rule of transitivity in every way possible, and it all balances out in most cases (most exceptions being SFF matches).

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Someone mentioned Mario vs Crono taking place now on Monday instead of Sunday. Do you think there is any difference in the outcome based on day of the week?
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

Any comments on my bracket...?

>_>
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

1- Link
16- Tanner

Tanner is overseeded.

4- Squall Leonheart
13- Sarah Kerrigan

Good job. Let my boy Squall knock StarCraft out of this tournament from the get-go.

7- Luigi
10- Knuckles

2- Snake
15- Lara Croft

Change that immediately. Solid Snake vs. Knuckles should NEVER happen again, especially in the second round.

1- Sephiroth
16- Mr. Driller

Mr. Driller doesn't need to be here either. Even low end fodder could blow him out.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Someone mentioned Mario vs Crono taking place now on Monday instead of Sunday. Do you think there is any difference in the outcome based on day of the week?

I don't think so...but IIRC, most of the high vote total matches have taken place on the weekend.
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Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

There's one other thing I'd like to mention that throws Xsts into question, and that is that while we can theorize what characters will do against each other, I don't think it's possible to extract such results. CATS getting 12% on Link doesn't mean that he'll compete with Guybrush Threepwood. CATS would get between 10-20% on nearly every opponent he faces, and no where in the Xsts will you see an explanation for that.

One thing that flat-out annoys me is how people use the stats to justify everything, yet can't seem to grasp why they can be far off at times. It's either passed off as some unexplainable voodoo or margain of error. I have yet to see one good explanation for why Ganondorf vs Alucard was off, why Knuckles vs Snake was off, or how Jill Valentine could have taken such a drop in popularity. How do we know she dropped in popularity? Maybe she stayed the same, and if she did, how could you explain Sora beating the crap out of Ryu Hayabusa despite Jill Valentine being so far above Sora last year? These things don't get explained, yet some people continue to act as if the Xsts are the reference point for everything.

My personal favorite example? This Noble Nine myth. Magus placed 9th ahead of Sonic last year in the Xsts, yet everyone on the board dismisses it and continues to call the Noble Nine the original nine characters as if no one else will ever be able to join in their ranks. The fact is that someone already joined in their ranks, but no one has exactly conceded to it. The only way anyone will allow a new character into their elite little group is if someone outside of it wins, which not only goes against common sense, but the very Xsts that were just used as the reasoning for the Noble Nine in the first place.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Well, personally I don't care what the stats say. I wouldn't pick Magus to beat Sonic.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Concerning Tifa, I always thought she was very boring. I never see what people find remarkable about her. I struggle to remember more about her than the fact that she was the chick that liked Cloud. With Seymour, I would say he's very underrated. If you can get past his ridiculous outfit and even more ridiculous hair, he isn't all that bad. Cartainly not one of the best FF villains, but better than some.

Phediuk: Have Knuckles going against Liquid in the first round if you must have him going against one of the Snakes at all. Kerrigan is way underrated, and there shouldn't be four FFVII characters in there. Also, Earthworm Jim is more deserving of a 15 or 16 than a 13.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

My personal favorite example? This Noble Nine myth. Magus placed 9th ahead of Sonic last year in the Xsts, yet everyone on the board dismisses it and continues to call the Noble Nine the original nine characters as if no one else will ever be able to join in their ranks. The fact is that someone already joined in their ranks, but no one has exactly conceded to it. The only way anyone will allow a new character into their elite little group is if someone outside of it wins, which not only goes against common sense, but the very Xsts that were just used as the reasoning for the Noble Nine in the first place.

Which is why we need the Super Seven.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Thinking that transitivity holds exactly is absurd, as is relying on the XS to the thousandth percentage. However, as Haste2 said, for the most part the differences in transitivity are evenly spread enough to balance each other out, and allow for a reasonably accurate XS that have broken down only 4 times thus far. Once for Mega Man, twice for Samus, and the last time was Sora, who could normally be explained by SFF, but it was far too much for that to be completely true.

And I don't know why someone would be compelled to bracket vote in Link vs Crono.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Link's still on the rise... ew. Three 80%+ blowouts in a row... that's never been done before, right?

Lemme see... biggest third round blowout ever: Mario vs. DK, with 81.98% for Mario. Another huge SFF match... other than that we have to go to LoZ/Tetris, with 74.57%. Ha, that's what you get for beating the awesomeness that is Pong. (I can't believe some guy would have beaten Ulti had he not picked Tetris to win that match. MOST. STUPID. PICK. EVAR.)
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

Which is why we need the Super Seven.

Seconded. I'd pick Magus over Sonic, and I might even pick him over Snake.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Magus outranked Sonic by 0.01%. So what? Shadow outranked Tidus by 0.04%, yet he never had a chance.

The cutoff point should definitely be the Megaman/Mario/Crono/Samus quartet - or Mario/Crono if the other two really improved. Heck, let's kick out Mario and Crono if that happens.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

*picked Tetris to beat Legend of Zelda*

Heh heh heh....It looks very stupid in retrospect, but it didn't seem like such a bad idea at the time.
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Tennessee 30, Florida 28

At the time?

From the moment the bracket was released to the actual match, Tetris over LoZ was about as appealing to me as BethanyM.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

Eh, Mario not being elite seems so wrong...The possibility of beating Samus is still out there for him.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

I can't believe some guy would have beaten Ulti had he not picked Tetris to win that match. MOST. STUPID. PICK. EVAR.

That was HoratioQHornblower, and he also picked Tetris to take down Super Mario Brothers 3.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Oh yeah, no one has asked the traditional stat question yet.

How would you rank the Sweet 16 characters?

1 - Cloud
2 - Sephiroth
3 - Link
4 - Mega Man
5 - Samus
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Auron
11 - Frog
12 - Squall
13 - Zero
14 - Sora
15 - Yoshi
16 - Dante

And oh, how I pray that Samus finishes even higher than that.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Heh heh heh....It looks very stupid in retrospect, but it didn't seem like such a bad idea at the time.

I thought about it, and I'm glad I didn't...but for as many versions of that game as it has had released and the respect it has (I know it got #1 in EGM's first Top 100 Games list, issue 100), I'm surprised it didn't even put up a battle against LoZ.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

That's perhaps the hardest one yet, thanks to Megaman and Samus...

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Megaman
6. Mario
7. Crono
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Zero
11. Auron
12. Squall
13. Sora
14. Dante
15. Frog
16. Yoshi
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

How would you rank the Sweet 16 characters?

Link
Cloud
Samus
Mega Man
Sephiroth
Crono
Mario
Snake
Sonic
Zero
Squall
Sora
Auron
Dante
Frog
Yoshi
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

1 - Cloud (LINK)
2 - Sephiroth (Right-O)
3 - Link (CLOUD)
4 - Mega Man (Right-O)
5 - Samus (Right-O)
6 - Crono (Right-O)
7 - Mario(Right-O)
8 - Solid Snake (Right-O)
9 - Sonic (Right-O)
10 - Auron (Zero)
11 - Frog (Auron)
12 - Squall (Frog)
13 - Zero (Squall)
14 - Sora (Right-O)
15 - Yoshi (Right-O)
16 - Dante (Right-O)

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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

I expected LoZ to triple Tetris since the start of the contest, actually.

The Pong blowout made me doubt this though.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

1 - Link
2 - Samus
3 - Cloud
4 - Sephiroth
5 - Mega Man
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Zero
11 - Auron
12 - Squall
13 - Sora
14 - Dante
15 - Yoshi
16 - Frog

Some people won't like this...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16274996

This is after SFF is taken into account

1. Samus
2. Mega Man
3. Link
4. Cloud
5. Sephiroth
6. Mario
7. Crono
8. Sonic
9. Solid Snake
10. Zero
11. Squall
12. Auron
13. Sora
14. Dante
15. Yoshi
16. Frog
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

1 - Cloud
2 - Link
3 - Sephiroth
4 - Samus
5 - Mega Man
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Auron
11 - Squall
12 - Zero
13 - Frog
14 - Dante
15 - Yoshi
16 - Sora
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

1 - Link
2 - Cloud
3 - Samus
4 - Mega Man
5 - Sephiroth
6 - Mario
7 - Crono
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Zero
11 - Sora
12 - Squall
13 - Auron
14 - Frog
15 - Dante
16 - Yoshi
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

1 - Link
2 - Cloud
3 - Sephiroth
4 - Samus
5 - Mega Man
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Squall
11 - Auron
12 - Zero
13 - Frog
14 - Sora
15 - Dante
16 - Yoshi
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I feel that man has ruled this world as a stumbling, demented child-king long enough. - Vincent Price

Heh...looks like charmander is the only one brave enough to stick Samus and Mega Man on the top of his list.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

I'd love to put Samus on top as well, but something tells me she falls just short. I hope I'm wrong, of course.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

1 - Link (I don't know...it feels like it)
2 - Cloud
3 - Sephiroth (I have him winning the tourney...)
4 - Mega Man
5 - Samus
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Zero
11 - Auron
12 - Squall
13 - Sora
14 - Frog
15 - Dante
16 - Yoshi

It was kinda hard placing Sora...he probably overperformed due to Ryu H's unrecognizable pic.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Megaman
5. Mario
6. Samus
7. Crono
8. Sonic
9. Snake
10. Zero
11. Auron
12. Squall
13. Sora
14. Dante
15. Frog
16. Yoshi
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"The police are on their way. Till they get here I'm the only friend you've got, and I'm not a very good one."--Sam Fisher

Heh...looks like charmander is the only one brave enough to stick Samus and Mega Man on the top of his list.

I actually think that Samus can win now. If Mega Man beats Link
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

This Noble Nine myth. Magus placed 9th ahead of Sonic last year in the Xsts, yet everyone on the board dismisses it and continues to call the Noble Nine the original nine characters as if no one else will ever be able to join in their ranks. The fact is that someone already joined in their ranks, but no one has exactly conceded to it. The only way anyone will allow a new character into their elite little group is if someone outside of it wins, which not only goes against common sense, but the very Xsts that were just used as the reasoning for the Noble Nine in the first place.

I don't think Magus would be able to take down Sonic. I think it'd be close, but Sonic should win...and after Sora and Ryu H., I wouldn't rely on the XStats for close matches like that if I were you.....so if the board was dismissing what the Xstats said before about Magus being stronger than Sonic, it's probably going to stay that way at least until the next contest.
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I wanna switch Cloud and Samus on my chart now; thinkin' on it more while makin' a post in another topic, it'd surprise me to not see Samus go vote-for-vote with Cloud. The post, you ask? Right here...

You made no sense.

Cloud beats up losers. Samus beats up losers. Not until they face real competition can we really judge their performance.

Let's have some fun with X-stats; in 2k3, this is what the following characters were expected to get on Cloud last year...

7 Samus Aran 36.72%
.................................
35 Sam Fisher 22.81%
37 Lara Croft 22.11%
43 Vyse 18.43%
45 Duke Nukem 17.86%

...notice how Samus is supposed to be performing much lower than Cloud's level, even if Samus has always been a force to be reckoned with. Now let's compare performances in the first and second round this year...

Cloud: Duke Nukem got 19.81% on him, nearly 2% better than expected. To be fair, he had a joke-pic. Vyse then got 18.59% on him in the next round, which is very close to what's expected of him.

Samus: Lara Croft (who ranked higher than both Vyse and Duke Nukem) got 17.61% on Samus, which is about 4.5% better than what Cloud would be expected to get on Lara (Samus also beat Lara worse than Cloud could be the lower-ranked characters Vyse OR Duke). Sam Fisher (who ranked higher than Lara, Vyse, AND Duke) then got 19.03% on her in the next round, about 3% better than what Cloud would be expected to get on Sam (Samus also beat Sam worse than Cloud could beat the lower-ranked Duke).


Yes, they both beat up losers, but Samus doesn't take **** from them, period.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

I don't think Magus would beat Sonic, either. I still say we make it the Super Seven though, just in case.

Side-note: If there ever was a Sonic/Magus match, I would expect Mario/Crono-like controversy. Seriously.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

1 - Link
2 - Cloud
3 - Sephiroth
4 - Mario
5 - Megaman
6 - Samus
7 - Crono
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Auron
11 - Squall
12 - Frog
13 - Sora
14 - Zero
15 - Yoshi
16 - Dante
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1 - Link
2 - Samus
3 - Cloud
4 - Mega Man
5 - Sephiroth
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Zero
11 - Squall
12 - Auron
13 - Frog
14 - Dante
15 - Sora
16 - Yoshi
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BtT: 3:52.93 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

1 - Link
2 - Samus
3 - Cloud
4 - Mega Man
5 - Sephiroth
6 - Mario
7 - Crono
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Zero
11 - Squall
12 - Auron
13 - Dante
14 - Frog
15 - Sora
16 - Yoshi
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Current Contest Score: 55/60
Today's Pick: Ryu. Damn...

1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Samus
4. Sephiroth
5. Mega Man
6. Crono
7. Mario
8. Sonic
9. Solid Snake
10. Auron
11. Sora
12. Frog
13. Squall
14. Zero
15. Dante
16. Yoshi
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

1 - Sephiroth
2 - Link
3 - Cloud
4 - Samus
5 - Mega Man
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Auron
11 - Squall
12 - Frog
13 - Zero
14 - Sora
15 - Yoshi
16 - Dante
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

1 - Cloud
2 - Sephiroth
3 - Link
4 - Mega Man
5 - Samus
6- Sonic
7 - Crono
8 - Mario
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Zero
11 - Auron
12 - Sora
13 - Frog
14 - Dante
15 - Yoshi
16 - Squall
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Sora and Andel both defeated me in the Summer Contest.58/62

1 - Cloud
2 - Link
3 - Sephiroth
4 - Samus
5 - Mega Man
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Zero
11 - Squall
12 - Auron
13 - Sora
14 - Dante
15 - Frog
16 - Yoshi
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

1 - Link
2 - Cloud
3 - Sephiroth
4 - Samus
5 - Megaman
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid snake
10 - Zero
11 - Squall
12 - Auron
13 - Sora
14 - Frog
15 - Dante
16 - Yoshi

And Link hits 81% in true WTF fashion.

Link 81% 47734
Yoshi 19.01% 11202

*raises WTF flag*

There for about two minutes, Link got about 50 votes to Yoshi's two.
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ZSB [aX]

Poor Yoshi. Link cut off his tongue and then proceeded to strangle him with it.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

The Tongue is Mightier then the Sword
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

Here's a screenshot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/silphy/linkyoshiwtf.jpg
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Ah... what the hell...

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Mega Man (I think Samus will be closer to Cloud than Mega Man to Link)
6. Crono
7. Mario
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Auron
11. Squall (I think Squall can hold his own vs. Cloud)
12. Frog
13. Zero (due to SFF)
14. Sora
15. Dante
16. Yoshi (due to SFF)
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Here's a screenshot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/silphy/linkyoshiwtf.jpg

add the vote totals and you shall find the answer
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

I didn't notice the vote totals. Heh, Ceej's servers can't add.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

nope too many votes at one time

like one time 5-8 different users got the 19th vote.
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

SFF Adjusted of Course

1. Cloud
2. Link
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Mega Man
6. Mario
7. Crono
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Zero
11. Auron
12. Squall
13. Yoshi
14. Sora
15. Frog
16. Dante
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Cloud
Mega Man
Link
Sephy
Samus
Mario
Crono
Snake
Sonic
Zero
Squall
Sora
Auron
Dante
Frog
Yoshi
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6- Vivi
11- Kirby

You suck.

I concur.

1 - Samus
2 - Link
3 - Cloud
4 - Mega Man
5 - Sepheroth
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Auron
11 - Squall
12 - Zero
13 - Sora
14 - Frog
15 - Yoshi
16 - Dante
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There's an old saying in Texas... fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again. - Dubya

why Knuckles vs Snake was off

This has nothing at all to do with the XS. You just look at the previous matches between them, linear transitivity pretty clearly applies between two characters. One, or both, of them changed, simple as that. Sonic Heroes is reason enough for Knux to increase, I'd think.

Magus placed 9th ahead of Sonic last year in the Xsts, yet everyone on the board dismisses it and continues to call the Noble Nine the original nine characters as if no one else will ever be able to join in their ranks.

Have you been here for all the Superior Seven discussion? There's been lots of it, and most in the stats topic agree that the top characters should be cut off before Snake/Sonic, to make a superior seven.

Also, Earthworm Jim is more deserving of a 15 or 16 than a 13.

Why? His match against Mega Man looks like it would put him a bit above Raziel.

And I don't know why someone would be compelled to bracket vote in Link vs Crono.

Agreed, although IMO, bracket voting in any match is the paragon of loserdom.

Eh, Mario not being elite seems so wrong...The possibility of beating Samus is still out there for him.

Really? I would've picked Samus over him if the match occurred in SC2k3 in SC2k4, and maybe even SC2k2.

11 - Frog
12 - Squall

Frog over Squall? Where does that come from? I'm not too sure that Snake deserves to be above Sonic, either.

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Samus
5. Megaman
6. Mario
7. Crono
8. Snake
9. Sonic
10. Auron
11. Zero
12. Squall
13. Yoshi
14. Dante
15. Sora
16. Frog

I might put Samus above Cloud, but I really don't want to, since Link vs. Samus would be a terrible match.

Point values for the Sweet 16 (lower is better) through MasterMage:

Link (35)
Cloud (40)
Sephiroth (75)
Samus (80)
Mega Man (93)
Crono (134)
Mario (138)
Sonic (177)
Solid Snake (178)
Auron (233)
Zero (234)
Squall (245)
Sora (281)
Frog (285)
Dante (309)
Yoshi (323)

I probably made some mistakes when I was adding all of that up, but that's at least a rough estimate of where this topic stands.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Really? I would've picked Samus over him if the match occurred in SC2k3 in SC2k4, and maybe even SC2k2

I'm just not certain that SFF would favor Samus in that match.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

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What's SFF? I've read every post in this part of the Stats Discussion and no newb has asked for you guys to explicate it. So could someone tell me what the hell it stands for.

Btw, if you guys already agreed about a Super(ior) 7 being more applicable to the constest than the Noble 9, than why do we still refer to a N9 instead of the S7?
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

Scratch that, I changed my mind:

1 - Sephiroth
2 - Cloud
3 - Link
4 - Samus
5 - Mega Man
6 - Crono
7 - Mario
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Squall
11 - Auron
12 - Zero
13 - Yoshi
14 - Sora
15 - Frog
16 - Dante
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

No more comments on my bracket? >_>
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Btw, if you guys already agreed about a Super(ior) 7 being more applicable to the constest than the Noble 9, than why do we still refer to a N9 instead of the S7?

Because human beings as a species don't like change and prefer not to change until such time as it becomes necessary, which rarely intersects with the time at which it becomes logical.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

SFF = Same Franchise/Fanbase Factor (Fanbase is much more commonly assumed)

Examples: Link vs Ganondorf, Crono vs Magus, Mega Man vs Zero, Cloud vs Sephiroth
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

Link
Sephiroth
Cloud
Megaman
Samus
Crono
Mario
Sonic
Snake
Zero
Auron
Squall
Sora
Dante
Frog
yoshi
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

What's SFF? I've read every post in this part of the Stats Discussion and no newb has asked for you guys to explicate it. So could someone tell me what the hell it stands for.

It stands for same fanbase factor. It means that when two characters of the same fanbase go against each other (like today), the weaker one will do worse than the XS estimate, because the stronger one is more popular within the fanbase. Like today.

Btw, if you guys already agreed about a Super(ior) 7 being more applicable to the constest than the Noble 9, than why do we still refer to a N9 instead of the S7?

I try to use Super 7. Plus, there's this that I posted on the first page:

Samus 63.41%
Link 55.55%
Sephiroth 49.71%
Cloud 48.92%
Mega Man 48.62%

Crono 41.21%
(Mario, probably, with 41-42%)

Sonic 34.51%
Snake 32.71%

Based on the first round matches. Either we stick to just Sephirmus Clinkman or we throw out anybody under 40%. Making a Super 7.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

North Division:

Looks decent. I would give Hayabusa a better seed, and lower Strider's so they still meet (maybe the 7-10 matchup). That also gets Knux away from Snake.

Katana Division:

Driller shouldn't be there. Zelda's too high, Raiden's too low.

Nintendo's Seconds Division:

Fine with me.

Overcompensation Division:

Also looks good.

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Why do you keep calling Samus by the name of Sephirmus Clinkman?
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

Hey, I just came up with a brilliant idea.

For the Elite 8, Ceej should use the worst possible pics for each character. So, it'd be:

Link- Wand of Gamelon animation sequence
Mario- Super Mario Bros.: The Movie
Mega Man- MM1 box art or European MM2 box art
Snake- Metal Gear box art
Cloud- Field model
Sephiroth- cosplayer
Sonic- Sonic Spinball
Samus- Original Metroid artwork
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Why do you keep calling Samus by the name of Sephirmus Clinkman?

Because, as cool as it would be, I still can't imagine Samus beating Link/Cloud with 62%.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Sad part is Crono will be there.

:P heh, I just had too. Go Crono!
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 62/64 Rank: 16th

Megamus Clinkeroth sounds better.
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honestly, you are bitter over a poll, go crawl inside your skin because these wounds are not healing. - Sir Chris

No Advent Children reference in a worst pic list?!?

On another note, do you think it's worth it being up for the beginning of Mario/Crono, since it's fairly obvious that Crono will take the early lead as usual anyway?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

So, does anyone hereabouts think Frog has a chance against Snake, or will my bracket die a quick death on Wednesday?
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There's always someone better.

Nah, Crono will take a good lead with the night vote. It'd be a big shock if he didn't. Good sign for Mario if that happens.

Sephirmus Clinkman sounds awkward, especially the first name. I like the sound of Clinkamus Megaroth.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Quick death.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I really am excited about Crono Mario. For once I feel daring since I picked Mario the first 2 years and was amazingly confident. This year, even though I am confident, I can't help but think Mario is gonna pull some amazing feat that isn't cheating. >_>

Megamus Clinkeroth sounds good.
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 62/64 Rank: 16th

I like Sephirmus, it's pretty close to Sephiroth. Just with mus instead of roth. And Clinkman sounds like an excellent Mega Man boss. *clink*
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Sephirmus Clinkman (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Quick death. No longer than five seconds... it's a moral victory if Frog breaks 40%. Seriously.

And Megaroth is alrady used to refer to another entity entirely... not sure if that's appropriate here.

Leonhart: how would it be a good sign for Mario if Crono takes a good lead early? It'd just be tougher for Mario to overcome...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

I should've been clearer. I meant it'd be a big shock if Crono didn't take a good lead early, and that would be a good sign for Mario if he can stall him.

If we can't have that Clinkamus Megaroth, I'd still prefer Megamus Clinkeroth. It sounds like a Godzilla monster.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

I guess Megamus Clinkeroth does make more sense, seeing as how Mega and Samus haven't really proven themselves yet. So I get the idea of keeping them separate for now. You win, at least over me.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

After reading your sig so many times, I would love to see a Mega Man vs Samus final. Damn bracket >_< lol
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 62/64 Rank: 16th

^ Ha... my name lives on!
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Link's at 81.25% and climbing...poor Yoshi.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

How well will Starcraft likely do next spring? Keep in mind that Starcraft: Ghost is coming out soon, and that will likely give Starcraft more than enough to beat a game like SSBM, and possibly even to take on Chrono Trigger.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Very well. I could easily see a top 5 performance. I would absolutely LOVE a top 1 performance.
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Hyrule Division: Round 3 - Match 50 – (3)Crono vs. (2)Mario

Moltar’s Analysis

Crono - Woah…it’s like, Deja-vu!

Round 1 – vs. Conker (Crono: 77.99% - Conker: 22.01%)
Round 2 – vs. Magus (Crono: 69.78% - Magus: 30.22%)

Crono is able to SFF Magus bad. By bad, I mean 70-30 bad.

Mario - Woah…it’s like, Deja-vu!

Round 1 – vs. JC Denton (Mario: 83.54% - JC: 16.46%)
Round 2 – vs. Bowser (Mario: 70.65% – Bowser: 29.35%)

Another SFF-fest match. Mario blows Bowser away.

Ok, time to get into serious mode, because it is time, to analyze…….Mario vs. Crono III. Since this is such a special match, let’s go back and look at the past encounters these two had.

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

Mario vs. Crono: 2002….what a crazy year. Pac-Man and Lara where 1-seeds. All these obscure characters made it in the Contest, and TJF existed. Well, let’s look past all of this and go to the details. Mario was the 1-seed in this division. He was a competitor in the first character poll in GameFAQs history. His opponent, Servbot. Mario wins the poll with under 75% on the little robot. Looking back at that today….just too funny. Mario’s next opponent, Morrigan. Mario just barely doubles her. Now, if I were there back then, I would be seriously worried about Mario’s chances to win. I mean, he was the favorite to win it all, and yet he put up weak numbers on weak opponents. Heh, did that turn around quickly. In Round 3, Mario went up against Donkey Kong. Mario friggen blows DK away 82-18%. Now, I do believe we weren’t too big on the idea of SFF back then, so Mario doing this to DK was quite the shock. Mario’s Elite 8 match…well, that was quite the shocker. Mario vs. Cloud Strife. Mr. Nintendo vs. Mr. Square. Now, I wasn’t a regular back in 2002, so I have no idea of how this match went. I just know that Cloud faced Mario on the absolute WORST day possible. Cloud was facing Mario on the same day that Super Mario Sunshine was released, and that game was hyped! We also can’t forget about Planet Gamecube’s interference in the match. These two factors pushed Mario over Cloud by 277 votes; 50.11-49.89%. It was the biggest match, votewise of 2002, bringing almost 130,000 votes. It was also the first of three matches in 2002 to break 100,000 votes, the other two being Mario vs. Crono, and Link vs. Sephiroth. Now let’s look at Crono’s path, which was MUCH less controversial than Mario’s.

Crono came into the 2002 Contest as a 5 seed. I mean, he was seeded below Lara, Snake, FREEMAN, and Dante. That’s just crazy to me. Anyway, he wins his Round 1 match against Simon Belmont with ease. Crono then moves onto Round 2 to face a much tougher opponent, Dante. The Red-Headed wonder doubles up Dante and advances into Round 3. Some eyes are beginning to open up here, and if they didn’t, they certainly did after his match with Lara. The top-seed in the division, the star of the popular Tomb Radier series, Lara Croft, was destroyed, 70-30%, by Crono. I mean, could things get better for the Goku wannabe? In the Elite 8, they did. Crono vs. Solid Snake. So far, Snake had beaten Squall, Knuckles and Aeris, all tough opponents, and he was planning to add Crono to his list. When the match is over, and the dust and smoke had settled, it was Crono that once again, came out on top. He had just beaten the legendary Solid Snake 53-47%. He had won his division, and was now in the Final Four to face Mario.

Ok, as I have said before, I wasn’t here back in 2002 for the match, so I am going on what I have heard happen. What I have heard is that Mario was leading for most of the day, until Crono made a surge in the evening. Mario couldn’t catch back up, and Crono won. CJayC however, made a post on the boards saying that a certain Crono fan had cheated for Crono many, many times. Ceej removed 400 votes, and that was enough to change the result of the match. Mario then went on to lose in the finals, but the damage was done. Mario won 50.05-49.95%, by only 115 votes. It was also shown later that there were a lot more that 400 proxy votes, 3000 to be more exact. Shame, shame Crono…

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

Mario vs. Crono II: One year later, with tons of improvements from the first. Better characters got in, much better seeding was done. Great vote totals. Ahh, the 2003 Contest was a blast. Let’s start of with Mario’s path again. He came back as a 1 seed again in the South Division. Mario’s first opponent was Captain Olimar, who lost big time to Mario 88-12%. After that, Mario faces Shadow the Hedgehog. Now Shadow had just gotten off a great match with Wario, and he was looking to get decent numbers against Mario. The match takes place and…Mario wins….with 55% of the vote? Heh, did that give us quite the shock. I mean, it was just too hard to believe that some black Sonic clone could get 45% on Mario himself. Many thought it was a fluke performance, that Shadow was just sucking up Mario anti-votes. Well, it was proved in his match this year with Tidus that it was pretty legit.

Crono scored a 4 seed this time. Yes…he was in the Final Four last time, and now he is stuck one seed higher than the previous year. He was also placed right in Mario’s division. You could easily tell that a Mario/Crono II match was on its way. Crono’s first opponent was Tom Nook, whom Crono killed 86-14%. Crono then went onto Round 2 to face Kefka, who had just squeaked past Pac-Man the round before. Now…Kefka has his fair share of fans, and he is a pretty popular FF character, but Crono made this one ugly. 79% on Kefka? Lots of people were calling SFF after seeing it, which could be true, seeing as how Kefka did MUCH better this year than last. But in 2003, it was just mind-blowing. And now onto the Sweet Sixteen…

Here it is, Mario vs. Crono. This match was hyped up from the start as the best of the Contest. Crono expectedly took the night vote, but Mario came right back with a strong morning vote. He took the lead briefly at around mid-day, but Crono quickly took it back and built up on it. By around 9 PM CST, Crono had an 800 vote lead going into the night vote. Mario fans, like me, where already calling it quits. I mean, for Mario to win, he would have to defy all logic and own the night vote over a Square character, Crono. Well, by around 10 PM, Mario started taking little cuts into Crono’s lead, nothing too major, so no one got too excited over it. Then things got interesting. A Male/Female poll was put up at a site. When a person voted Male, it would automatically act as a vote for Mario. Was it actually working? It looked like it, because during those final 90 minutes, Mario came surging back. He caught back up with Crono, and passed him up just minutes before 12 AM. The poll ran on a couple minutes late, but it was already over, Mario had come back from an 800-vote deficit to re-capture the lead and win by 137 votes. CJayC made a topic saying it was all legit, and the board went crazy. Crono was now screwed twice out of a win. This rivalry had to be over after this crazy match, right?

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

Wrong! Now in 2004, the 3-seeded Crono takes on the 2-seeded Mario in Round 3 once again. Both beat there Round 1 opponents pretty well, but there’s a little difference in Round 2. Crono was able to SFF Magus by more than Mario was able to SFF Bowser. Then again, SFF is a crazy thing and shouldn’t even be mentioned with stat-related stuff. So basically, we don’t know much about each other’s strength so far in the Contest. They look about the same as last year as we saw. Now you want to know about who I went with and why? Ok, I picked Crono to win, even though I’d prefer if Mario won. Mario had the match won in 2002, but in 2003, the match was Crono’s. Mario’s miraculous comeback was a once-in-a-lifetime sort of thing. Lightning will not strike twice here. This is how I see the match going…Crono and Mario will be dead-even in the first couple of minutes of the poll, and then the sword-wielder will pull ahead. After building up a small lead, Mario will start to cut back into it during the morning, and might possibly pass him up. The two will then split the day-vote, or maybe Mario will have the slight advantage here. Crono then gets the evening and night vote, with no strange things happening near the end of the poll, ensuring Crono’s win. Crono might even be able to pull off a convincing victory, ending the Mario/Crono saga once and for all…

Moltar’s Bracket Says:Crono will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Crono 51% - Mario 49%



Ulti's Analysis

You all know the story by now, so I won't bother telling it. What I will say is that Crono has the advantage here. There were not 400 cheated votes in 2002, but 3000. That makes Crono's close loss in 2003 even more impressive. Now add that to how well Square has improved this year, Chrono Trigger's win over Mario 3 in the Spring, and the fact that Square characters are becoming more and more favored by brackets each year, and you have the potential for a major letdown should Crono win easily. I think he will, if you call a 52-48 type of match easy.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Crono/Crono with 51.78%

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

Go Mario!
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

At 15:49:39, Link vs. Yoshi was at 69,990 votes and Tidus vs. Shadow was at 70,342 votes. Maybe Link'll have his first match with 90,000+ votes?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think Crono is a lot stronger now than he ever was, remember that CT beat 3 Mario games in the Spring by good margins.
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Contest Stats: 58/64 Next Pick: Link
Today's subliminal thought is:

I'll say it again... usually RPG characters are weaker than their own games, and Crono's no exception... as a matter of fact, he'd be even more handicapped by the fact that he's a mute. No other character has a SUPPORTING CHARACTER as close as he does in the X-Sts.

In light of that, I fail to see how 4000 votes over Mario's strongest game can be called impressive. I expected more out of CT.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 060/064 - Matches: 45/48 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Mario

CT also beat LTTP, anyone claiming Crono can beat Link?

You CANNOT judge the results of a Summer Contest match by Spring Contest results.

No other character has a SUPPORTING CHARACTER as close as he does in the X-Sts.

Tidus?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I'll second the Tidus. Auron's right up there next to him.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

You CANNOT judge the results of a Summer Contest match by Spring Contest results.

Exactly why I didn't mention CT or SMB3 in my analysis. For the one-millionth time, Games =/= Characters
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

Magus is just a step away from being a villain anyway, and there's always Cloud/Seph.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

For the last time, CJayC didn't remove the votes AFTER Mario vs. Crono I. Mario was leading, Crono caught up, CJayC took away votes, putting Mario back in the lead, Crono caught up and took the lead AGAIN, and then Mario comes back to take the victory.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

"I'd say one way to go would be to combine 2k3 and 2k4 numbers in some way."

I've already mapped out almost exactly what needs to be done here... but I have no doubt that charmander knows as well as I do what needs to be done, and Char is the one that's usually kind enough to do the work for us.

Hell, while I'm at it I might as well thank Char. Despite all the problems I have with the XSt, they still have their uses.

"5- Bowser
12- Vincent Valentine

Whoah. I would so be going for that upset."

I'm just about ready to do my take on the whole bracket but thought I'd agree with this first and foremost.

"I'll roughly agree that Tifa felt more realistic personality-wise than the rest of the FF7 cast. Whoever designed her appearance needs to be slapped, of course."

It's unlikely that truer words have been said. He appearance made me hate her for a long time, but I have since grown to respect her character. She's still by far not my favorite, but I am quite sympathetic towards her actions now.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Moltar, that was a brilliant analysis. I wish I could say the same for Ulti's.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Crono has been in one game. I know people who would vote Chrono Trigger over all of Mario games, but vote Mario over Crono. CT was expected to beat SMB3 like that (if not more). If it didn't I would say Mario had this match won.
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

For the last time, CJayC didn't remove the votes AFTER Mario vs. Crono I. Mario was leading, Crono caught up, CJayC took away votes, putting Mario back in the lead, Crono caught up and took the lead AGAIN, and then Mario comes back to take the victory.

That's actually the first time I've heard that version of what happened...thanks Haste
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

That version is also incorrect. Crono never came back after being docked 400 votes.

From: Tediz247 | Posted: 9/19/2004 7:38:14 PM | Message Detail
Moltar, that was a brilliant analysis. I wish I could say the same for Ulti's.

Energy conservation for my PCA, my friend.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Crono has been in one game.

Two. You don't have to like it, but you do have to acknowledge Chrono Cross' presence.
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Shut up. There's no such thing as Chrono Cross...

Or, at least there's no Crono in Chrono Cross...that red haired kid was somebody completely different...the Chrono in the title is just a coincidence...
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Is it at all possible that Samus was able to somehow SFF Lara and Sam Fisher? I know that it seems like a rather weird idea but I have such a hard time seeing how she got that many votes, even considering if she were to rise and they were to both drop.
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it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Oh...thanks Ulti.

Moltar, that was a brilliant analysis. I wish I could say the same for Ulti's.

Thanks, I had some free time, so I decided I'd put some effort into it.

and Samus SFF Lara and Sam? That's not possible...what she did is pure strength.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

Really Even though I saw the Mario vs. Crono I, I wasn't there near the end, but I heard that after CJayC took out the cheated votes, he was still in the lead, but Mario took the lead shortly after
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Summer 2004 Contest 57/64 Link vs. Yoshi

Some people tried to say that Lara lost a lot of votes to Samus because of them both being girls and that was why she increased.

This was proven false in the Sam Fisher match.... wait a second...

Maybe Samus has just been doing well because she beats girls.

North Division:

1- Link
16- Tanner

What a waste of a slot, there is better fodder than Tanner. I never thought he was worthy of his chance this year, I was right.

8- Felix
9- Wario

Good looking match, though I'm not sure if either cahracter really deserves to return.

5- Strider Hiryu
12- Ryu Hayabusa

Seeds are wrong. Trust me, Strider isn't that high, and Ryu probably isn't that low either. Otherwise a great match. And yes, I'll allow some liberties with seeds, but from a realistic nomination system these two are backwards.

4- Squall Leonheart
13- Sarah Kerrigan

Blah match for anyone who isn't a fan of either.

6- Mewtwo
11- Fox McCloud

Also quite, shall we say, vanilla. Fox would also very likely upset here. PkMn's loss to XG makes it clear that all Pokemon will find large ammount of hate, not just Pikachu, and so MewTwo will lose to SFF here.

3- Ganondorf
14- CATS

You set this up as if people are going to believe the Link/Ganon match. You'll get like 3 people with that.

7- Luigi
10- Knuckles

Interesting, very interesting

2- Snake
15- Lara Croft

Lara doesn't deserve a return if Samus isn't up there with C/S/L, and she doesn't deserve to return even if Samus is.

Round 2 matces - unexciting
Seeing Knuckles against Snake AGAIN, assuming he beats Luigi is irritating, nothing else seems exciting.
Round 3 matches - better, not good though.
Snake/Ganon is fine, Link's will be a borefest, especially since Squall has the best chance of leaving that 4 pack.
Round 4 - pretty weak

East Division:

1- Sephiroth
16- Mr. Driller

I love mr. Driller... the game. Maybe worthy of return, rather see Goemon though.

8- Donkey Kong
9- Morrigan Aensland

Potential upset, perhaps. If it doens't happen then the match will be boring.

5- Aeris Gainsborough
12- Ness

Aeris seeded properly, 'bout damn time. Ness can win a match if you give him the right opponent, Aeris ain't it.

4- Zelda
13- Earthworm Jim

EWJ had his chance, and considering how lacking your bracket is in new competitors I think that taking a year off is fair.

6- Vivi
11- Kirby

Fun. Really, it's fun. Predicatable, but fun. Go Vivi!

3- Sonic
14- Protoman

Better than what Ceej pulled.

7- Serge
10- Tails

Tough call, Serge has the potential to fall anywhere

2- Crono
15- Raiden

I would love to see where Raiden really belongs.

Round 2 - Interesting.
Aeris/Zelda would be neat, unlike ceej's idea of neat matches. The potential for Serge to meet Crono is interesting. Would there be sever or minor SFF? Who knows... At least we have one year showing legitimate Tails strength to let us know how bad it is.
Round 3 - You'd make Ceej proud...
However, your Aeris/Seph setup pisses me off. I just don't like to see potential SFF matches, and I don't think it's cute to setup Seph to murder Aeris. Sonic vs. Crono would be cool, though.
Round 4 - Not sure if I'm up for Seph vs. Crono...


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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

South Division:

1- Mario
16- Luca Blight

Really, I think Luca is great and all... but we need Ghaleon in this much more than we need to see Luca beaten to a pulp again.

8- Liquid Snake
9- Master Chief

I don't dare try to predict that one... without Halo 2. With it I doubt MC would get anything less than his annual 3 seed and a bye to round 2.

5- Auron
12- Captain Falcon

Cpt. Falcon = boring. I don't honestly know why he has so many fans, but I think he's more reliant on SSB than Ness is, which is pathetic.

4- Tidus
13- Bomberman

I love Bomberman, but he seems due for the bench unless Squall can evade SFF. Either way, it's obvious how you cam up with this match.

6- Frog
11- Alucard

For underseeding Alucard worse than Ceej did you die. Either way, these two character should never meet before round two, and both really deserve a fair shot at round 3.

3- Magus
14- Gordon Freeman

GFNW, but people will conveniently forget about HL2 when they start declaring how weak Magus is for barely beating Gordon and getting a very low scoring match.

7- Scorpion
10- Kefka

I think Kefka has a legit shot at winning this, assuming Scorp's new game isn't out by then... actually, not to spoil it, but the last MK game made it seem like Scorp may not even make the next one. Perhaps it really is time for Sub-Zero

2- Samus
15- Duke Nukem

If DNF really makes the November self-date the local gamestop says it will this could make for the most inconclussive match ever.

Round 2 - iffy
Frog/Magus = bad SFF, Tidus/Auron = good SFF. Just once I'd like a legit chance at finding out how strong Auron really is, though we nearly have it pinned down... and this bracket wouldn't do it. Then agian, with KH2 Auron could becomes stronger than Tidus.
Round 3 - unimpressive
Magus/Samus would have been cool to see last year, now it looks like it'd only be a savage beating. Mario/Tidus isn't inspiring.
Round 4 - Match of the century? SFF gives Mario the win or raw strength gives Samus the win?

West Division:

1- Cloud
16- Laharl

Wow, no idea how that's play out... BORING!

8- Tommy Vercetti
9- Aya Brea

*sniff* I smell setups. Even without the setup this could be a good match, who knows.

5- Bowser
12- Vincent Valentine

UPSET SPECIAL!!! I tried and tried to warn you people about Vivi, and so far it looks like he's as strong as Squall... you people seem to think I'm crazy when I say Vincent could be stronger than Aeris, but just you wait.

4- Ryu (SF)
13- Sam Fisher

Nothin' special.

6- Sora
11- Jill Valentine

Predictable. In fact, I have little doubt that Sora will beat Jill even worse than he would have this year.

3- Shadow (SA2)
14- Pac-Man

Not too exciting.

7- Yoshi
10- Zidane

Eh.

2- Mega Man
15- Servbot

If Servbot comes bakc I want to see him in a match where he cna show his real strength, if any.

Round 2 - nothing notable, really
Round 3 - Shadow/Mega Man... you love to take once character who barely lost and put them up against the character who beat the character they lost to. I dunno if you're trying to prove something, but I don't find Shadow/Mega Man enjoyable. And Cloud beaitng Vincent would make me sad...
Round 4 - Mega Man vs. Cloud sounds solid.

Overall - Not enough newcomers. I saw you made some sacrifices, and I won't argue with them despite disagreeign with them, but I will say you are far, far too lacking in terms of new characters. Tripple your number of newbs and hten we'll talk.

Actually, Crono DID come back and take the lead...
check out the old 2002 stats topic.

http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page6.html

Scroll down. Look at what ncr says.

Oh, and I'm sorry I didn't show my appreciation for your analysis, Moltar. I really enjoyed it, personally.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Er, I mean, came back after the 490 votes were taken away.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

At 15:45:39, Link vs. Yoshi was behind Tidus vs. Shadow's total by 352 votes. At 17:29:02, it was behind Tidus vs. Shadow's total by 91 votes.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"Have you been here for all the Superior Seven discussion?"

You mean the S Club 7.

"Agreed, although IMO, bracket voting in any match is the paragon of loserdom."

Really? So cheating is above bracket voting in your book? Your book sucks, I don't want to see anymore excerpts from it.

"than why do we still refer to a N9 instead of the S7?"

Because not everybody assumes that Snake and Sonic can just be thrown off. It looks liek this year the distance between those two and everythign below is going to be very large, yet again. Maybe it shouldn't be quite as large as it will be, but it's clear that Sonic and Snake are still pretty damn strong.

"Because human beings as a species don't like change and prefer not to change until such time as it becomes necessary,"

And it isn't yet necessary.

"which rarely intersects with the time at which it becomes logical."

And until I see Sonic and Snake get absolutely smoked in the final XSt I won't call it logical.

"there's this that I posted on the first page"

That's totally speculation at this point, let's wait until it happens before we start saying Sonic and Snake are that far off. If they really are that far behind I'll back your silly S Club 7.

"Very well. I could easily see a top 5 performance."

It didn't even really earn it's current ranking, why would it rank higher if Ceej is better at finding cheaters?

'No other character has a SUPPORTING CHARACTER as close as he does in the X-Sts."

Cloud? If Cloud is the hero, technically everyone around him is just a supporting character, including his main villian. Oh, and do compare what Cloud did to his supporting character to what Crono did to his. Crono isn't as bad off as you paint him.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"CT was expected to beat SMB3 like that (if not more)"

By who? Most of US weren't sure CT would beat SMB3, in fact, some of us didn't think it'd beat LttP. And as far as the casuals go, they were even less confident than we were. Some people say that as if CT making the finals was expected by the majority, it wasn't really even expected by that large of a group.

"Shut up. There's no such thing as Chrono Cross..."

Yes there is, and it's a great game as long as you don't expect it to be nothing more than a CT sequel.

"Or, at least there's no Crono in Chrono Cross..."

Yes, he is. That red haired kid was Crono, he was also there with Marle and Lucca.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

1 - Link
2 - Cloud
3 - Sephiroth
4 - Mario
5 - Samus
6 - MegaMan
7 - Crono
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Squall
11 - Auron
12 - Zero
13 - Yoshi
14 - Dante
15 - Sora
16 - Frog

Yes, its semi-biased, but I still refuse to accept Frog as that strong.
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Well, Frog being 16th isn't really that farfetched, Yoshi's performance today included. If Master Chief hasn't increased, he actually would rank at the bottom of the Sweet Sixteen.

Either way, all bias is forgiven since you have Squall at the 10th spot.
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I sincerely think he could beat all the characters below him there.
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Zero would be a stretch, though I'd love it if he could pull it off. Auron would be a tough call as well.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Okay, fine, I'll break down and do it too...

1 - Sephiroth
2 - Crono
3 - Samus
4 - Cloud
5 - Link
6 - MegaMan
7 - Mario
8 - Sonic
9 - Solid Snake
10 - Auron
11 - Zero
12 - Dante
13 - Yoshi
14 - Sora
15 - Frog
16 - Squall
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

From insertcredit.com

"Square Enix had announced that they will be remaking Romancing Saga 1 (Minstrel's Song) for the PS2. The game will be released in 2005, and will be redone in 'realistic' 3D. A lot of other things are changing as well, events, scenario, characters, etc."

Link provided (Japanese)
http://www.quiter.jp/news/saga/040915002261.html

I hate Square sometimes. If they can go back to remake an SNES game why can't it be one people will really care about seeing? You know, like, for example... FF6 or CT or SoM?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Truelly, here's how I think it'll go. (SFF-Adjusted)

1-Link
2-Cloud
3-Mega Man
4-Samus
5-Sephiroth
6-Crono
7-Mario
8-Sonic
9-Snake
10-Zero
11-Squall
12-Auron
13-Yoshi
14-Sora
15-Dante
16-Frog
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Today's Pick: Link

I saw that the other day. I'm confused. They cancel CT:R, then go on to remake a SaGa game no one cares about. I just don't get it.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

I guess it's because Romancing Saga hadn't been released state-side yet, so it has a greater chance of drawing more sales, or something.

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

I have a strong feeling that they shut down CT:R because they intend to release their own remake... or they think a remake would hurt an inevitable DS/PSP re-release. But yes, indeed... why a SaGa game that isn't nearly as wanted as many of their other games?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"I guess it's because Romancing Saga hadn't been released state-side yet, so it has a greater chance of drawing more sales, or something."

It's a full remake, and in that case they'd get far, far better sales out of FF6 or CT here in the US. They'd also do better Japan with either of those titles than that one, if they were fully remade. It simply doesn't make sense. Yes, Romancing SaGa is good, and was good to Square... but there are so many better options.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Overall - Not enough newcomers. I saw you made some sacrifices, and I won't argue with them despite disagreeign with them, but I will say you are far, far too lacking in terms of new characters. Tripple your number of newbs and hten we'll talk.

Easier said than done.

Which new characters would you suggest? Like Slowflake, I'm having difficulty coming up with more than 5-6 newbies that could make some noise in the contest. Increasing that number to 17 or 18 worthy entrants seems almost impossible.

Unless, of course, you want to throw in the whole FFVII cast.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I'm not trying to snub you MM, but I'm in the middle of three projects all at once, PLUS I have to worry about getting my PCA together. If I go all-out for everything, I would have no personal life whatsoever.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Unless, of course, you want to throw in the whole FFVII cast.

No, do not stack your bracket with Square characters. You'll make me vomit.
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Maybe they have trouble with Nintendo or something like that? For remakes of games on the ps2, I mean. Also, perhaps its the same reason that Nintendo hasn't remade FF6 chrono trigger for gba.
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I guess it's because Romancing Saga hadn't been released state-side yet, so it has a greater chance of drawing more sales, or something.

If you're talking strictly about sales, a remake of FF VII would brought in the biggest numbers.

Although at the moment, it makes more sense to delay an FF VII remake to Sony's next gen console.

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It's a full remake, and in that case they'd get far, far better sales out of FF6 or CT here in the US. They'd also do better Japan with either of those titles than that one, if they were fully remade. It simply doesn't make sense. Yes, Romancing SaGa is good, and was good to Square... but there are so many better options.

How long was the first Romancing SaGa compared to their more famous RPGs? It might be to test the waters to see if a remake would be profitable for their older games before they delve into Chrono Trigger and the Final Fantasies.

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

Frog's got to be weaker than squall..


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*smites Yoshi, Tails, and Vyse for wrecking his SC2k4 chances*

Yeah, I mean, I have, what, seven totally new characters on my bracket? Besides, it's not like we need so many anyway, there are very good 7-10, 8-9 and 4-5 (and even a few 2-3!) that could be made using what we have right now. And next year is expected to be the year of shakeups, with Advent Children, Echoes and Zelda 10. I can consider myself lucky to have found seven newbies, as among all the characters that debuted this year, I kept very little. Hayabusa, Frog, Vivi, HK-47 and... that's it, unless something slips my mind. But I think having a super-bracket would rule. (Heck, I even kept CATS out this time.)

People are putting Tanner in their brackets? I am... astounded. Snake/Tanner already made HSOWA look proportionate!

Well, I'll be up tonight for the beginning of the match. Unless certain users sent ninjas to kill me in my sleep, for fairly obvious reasons.
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"And I don't know why someone would be compelled to bracket vote in Link vs Crono."

"Agreed, although IMO, bracket voting in any match is the paragon of loserdom."

... what? Please explain to me why someone would honestly not bracket vote if (s)he truly had a chance of winning a prize (and said match depended on it), and someone please explain to me why someone wanting to win said prize represents a "paragon of loserdom" (in fact, I think I could successfully make the argument the other way around!). It's not like anyone will look up to you just because you don't bracket vote... :(

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

"Which new characters would you suggest?"

Well first, I thought you had 5 news, not 6... so 2.5x is all you'd need, instead of 3.0x

So then, here we go. A list of characters who should be in. And yes, not all of them would tear brackets apart, you only need as many characters to do that as there were in this years contest. This year we had a whole 15 newbs, and not many of them were real powerhouses. In fact, only 3 were all that great. But greatness isn't always necessary, and since you have Tanner in your bracket it's not necessary at all in this situation.

The list:

Ghaleon
Chun-li
Sub-Zero
Geno
Sigma
Peach
Nightmare
Samonosuke
Terra/Locke/Shadow
Mai Shiranui
Lloyd Irving
Fayt (or someone from SO3, I haven't played it yet and don't know who is important)
Dizzy
Seifer
Banjo
Toad
Marth
Eliwood
Ash

That's a sample of characters that could find their own spot in the contest, and I can hardly think of a character from a game that isn't an RPG or fighter. I don't play much but those games, obviously.

If I can grab that many characters in the two genres I do know, I have no doubt there are an abundance of characters that can find a spot in the contest. They don't all have to be powerhouses to make things interesting. Just having someone new in the contest will get somebody excited.

Who'd have thought there'd be a huge EWJ supporter on this board? There was though, right? Every character has some fans, so it doesn't matter if the new characters you add are simply fodder, someone will be happy to see them.

Someone may be sad to see Tanner leave, but if he doesn't he'll probably be built into another CATS... he can't be anything but a joke, and you'd have a hard time naming a character who would do worse than him in the contest. Why keep him, then?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

The paragon of loserdom... yeah right. If I don't care for either Vivi or Sephiroth, what's wrong with voting Sephiroth to defend my bracket? I see it as stupid to let a vote go down the drain when it can be put to use.
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Before we found out that Sora was stronger than we thought, I thought a Sora-Viewtiful Joe matchup would've been interesting. Probably not so much now, especially with Chain of Memories and KHII on the horizon.

I just want Morrigan and Aya Brea in next year to see how strong they really are. If they're as capable as they seemed to be, they're worthy of a spot.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

What about some more mainstream title characters...

Hmmm... like

CJ from San Andreas
The Prince from PoP (tell me he has a name >_>)
Snoop Dogg from Def Jam <_<

Okay, those are some **** examples but I'm sure you guys could think of some.
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GOD Bless And Keep It Fresh
KeepinItFresh since uhh... hell I don't know.

By who? Most of US weren't sure CT would beat SMB3, in fact, some of us didn't think it'd beat LttP. And as far as the casuals go, they were even less confident than we were. Some people say that as if CT making the finals was expected by the majority, it wasn't really even expected by that large of a group.

All I knew was that the winner of CT/LoZ:LttP would lose to the winner of FF7/LoZ:OoT. I picked FF7 right, but I picked LoZ:LttP wrong (my upset special), so there went 24 points...I was actually surprised at how close SMB3 made it though; I didn't expect it to be any closer than 54-46 under any circumstance, yet SMB3 made it nearly 52-48.

Frog's got to be weaker than squall..

Agreed; compare Frog's performance against Master Chief to Aeris's performance against Master Chief. Even if MC increased a lil' from hype, there's no way Aeris wouldn't beat Frog. Then, according to the X-stats (take them as your will), Aeris ranked one spot higher than Squall, so they're pretty close to equal.

Squall > Frog, guaranteed.



Just popped into my head: Knuckles/Frog...your winner? I'd pick Knuckles.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'd pick Knuckles too... but it'd be close. Not only that, but I'd have a hard time deciding between the two as far as my vote is concerned.
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"And next year is expected to be the year of shakeups"

I've been saying that for a logn time, and thinking it for even longer. I know that's the case, the fact of the matter is that there are so many low-level fodder cahracters that are wholly replaceable. If your options are Tanner and Toad to go down in round one to a noble nine and I've seen neither then I don't care... but since I have seen Tanner I'd rather see Toad get decimated, just to see a new face and to have someone else to laugh at.

"People are putting Tanner in their brackets?"

Round one against Link. Again, as I said, you can put ANYONE in there, why put a character in there that we've already seen when we can have someone new?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"Squall > Frog, guaranteed."

So call me biased, I mean, it's the truth after all.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

For the last time, CJayC didn't remove the votes AFTER Mario vs. Crono I. Mario was leading, Crono caught up, CJayC took away votes, putting Mario back in the lead, Crono caught up and took the lead AGAIN, and then Mario comes back to take the victory.

Does that account for the 2600+ votes Crono illegaly gained? No. It would have just meant that Mario won by 2000 had all the cheating votes been deleted.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

The best case I've seen so far for Crono came from where I least expected it.

Cena.

I wish I thought of that in July. I mean, what he says makes perfect sense. People from this board (and maybe even from this very topic!) definitely could try and cheat to tip the scales against Mario this time. And the board users here aren't as dumb as your average Crono vote-stuffer. I mean the regulars, not the people that still genuinely whine that SF2 lost.

Why this board? Well, I don't think there was too much of an uproar in other boards, since this is the contest board and all. And the regulars are those that follow the contest on a more frequent basis... and I note that it's mostly them who picked Crono and want him to win no matter what.

So basically, this match could boil down to how fair-play is valued on Board 8. Of course, it boils down to other things, but they were all present last year anyway and Mario still won.
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"No. It would have just meant that Mario won by 2000 had all the cheating votes been deleted."

Which means Crono worked real hard to make his gap legit. If he can take that unfair result and do the same think the next year without any foul play on his part then he's also capable of taking a legitimate win this year.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

In other news, Link hasn't slowed down all day and has now crossed 81.5%. Wow.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Why should Link slow down, he's better than Yoshi in almost every way concievable in this contest.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Oh, and no comments on the nearly 20 potential candidates for newcomer-dom that I mentioned? Somebody has to have something to say about it, since nobody else seemed to think they could come up with more than half a dozen or so legitimate entries for next year.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

1 - Mega Man
2 - Cloud
3 - Link
4 - Samus
5 - Sephiroth
6 - Mario
7 - Crono
8 - Solid Snake
9 - Sonic
10 - Zero
11 - Auron
12 - Squall
13 - Dante
14 - Sora
15 - Frog
16 - Yoshi
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Only five more hours until Mario completely owns this match against Crono.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

... what? Please explain to me why someone would honestly not bracket vote if (s)he truly had a chance of winning a prize (and said match depended on it), and someone please explain to me why someone wanting to win said prize represents a "paragon of loserdom" (in fact, I think I could successfully make the argument the other way around!). It's not like anyone will look up to you just because you don't bracket vote... :(

I was exaggerating when I said that, but I just don't like bracket voters. It skews the results of the match, and I'd much rather see the true results than a self-fulfilling prophecy of victory for one of the contenders.

I suppose I don't understand as much as most, as I'm ineligible for prizes, but this contest provides many hours of entertainment every summer, and I like for it to be as entertaining as possible. It would be quite depressing for Samus to lose to Cloud just because of bracket-voting, because an upset there would have huge entertainment value.

Plus, this is Link vs. Crono you were talking about. Why bracket vote in a match with Link against someone so weak?

If I don't care for either Vivi or Sephiroth, what's wrong with voting Sephiroth to defend my bracket

Bracket-voting in a case like that is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people who say that they like, say, Yoshi better than Link, but have Link in their bracket and vote for him for that reason. If someone doesn't care about either character, sure, vote for the character in your bracket. But that shouldn't carry more weight than who you like more. I gave Master Chief a vote at 10:30 PM, while he was winning, despite having Frog in my bracket, because I dislike Frog. As Ulti says, the contest's a lot more fun when you don't care about your bracket, and that's the whole point of having the contest in the first place.

Chichiri: Outside of Geno and Nightmare, who I already have, and characters that would otherwise cause overrepresentation (at least in my own bracket), the one prospect that looks the most interesting is Lloyd Irving, and he looks like he has everything to become the next Laharl.

That's my take.
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You made a relatively long post that somehow addressed neither of my points.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Only five more hours until Mario completely owns this match against Crono.

That would require Mario to win the night vote, which I can't see happening. Chrono Trigger and Crono own the night vote.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Even if MC increased a lil' from hype, there's no way Aeris wouldn't beat Frog.

You are kidding right?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

No, I think he's not.

I'll even push this a little further and say no way SQUALL would lose to Frog. EVER.
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o.0

There is no way Aeris WOULDN'T beat Frog...
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Link's on track to get a high vote total, as well as the match itself. Both Seph and Link got around 77,000, right? What happened to the top 10 lists?
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Current score 55/64. Next match: Mario.

Which means Crono worked real hard to make his gap legit. If he can take that unfair result and do the same think the next year without any foul play on his part then he's also capable of taking a legitimate win this year.

Let me ask you a question. Name one thing that 2002 and 2004 have in common?

You know what I'm getting at.

Crono did do better with a large voting population, which is advantage he doesn't have this year.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

silent protagonist from Super Mario RPG

What. The. Hell.

Why did he label Super Mario RPG as Mario's main game?

Dear gods.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Which means Crono worked real hard to make his gap legit.

I missed this before. Crono only had to work for 400 votes, not 3000. Which means that his little ppush isn't as impressive as you think it is.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

I think it was to remind me of the one Mario game I hated, in the hopes that I'd switch sides and vote for Crono.

>_>

<_<
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... what? Please explain to me why someone would honestly not bracket vote if (s)he truly had a chance of winning a prize (and said match depended on it), and someone please explain to me why someone wanting to win said prize represents a "paragon of loserdom" (in fact, I think I could successfully make the argument the other way around!). It's not like anyone will look up to you just because you don't bracket vote... :(

First off, very few people are in contention for a prize this late in the game. That means fewer people are going to back their bracket against their favorite. There are only 563 people left with -5 and higher, and that's what Ulti won with in the spring. That's very, very few people, even if they all bracket vote for the same character. Not nearly enough to throw the XS into question, which I believe was your original intent.

Secondly, very, very few matches come down to around 500 votes. Tomorrow, Mario vs Crono, might. However, there's a pretty good chance each character is represented evenly among the remaining high scoring brackets. And guess what? Mario and Crono are just about equal, so while the minute bracket voting could potentially swing, say, a 100 vote Mario win into a 100 vote Crono win, it still does not affect the XS in any appreciable manner. Using bracket votes to attack the XS is self defeating logic: the characters with bracket backing are the strong ones, anyway, and in a non close match, there's no reason to throw a bracket vote to the winning character if you like the loser better.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"I missed this before. Crono only had to work for 400 votes, not 3000. Which means that his little ppush isn't as impressive as you think it is."

As so many people in this topic can attest to, Ceej clearly indicated after the CT/LttP match that Crono had thousands of cheated votes. He turned all of his cheated votes into legit ones, not just the 400 some that Ceej took away. For an elite character that's hard enough, for an elite character who made 0 additional appearances in that time span that's hard work.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

That would require Mario to win the night vote, which I can't see happening. Chrono Trigger and Crono own the night vote.

I'm not going to be here for the start of the match, but if Mario can win the night vote I'd be so ready to call the match... then again I won't be here. I think it's possible that Mario could win it, but don't think it's the most likely thing around. When all is said and done though Mario shall emerge victorious.


Oh and allow me to express my utter joy at the sight of the Panthers taking care of business down in Arrowhead. One step closer to the Super Bowl.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Why did he label Super Mario RPG as Mario's main game?

Simple. To show that Mario can go and do Crono's role, and do it bloody well better than Crono can.
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Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

"but if Mario can win the night vote I'd be so ready to call the match..."

If Mario won the night vote I'd probably never post in this topic ever again, as obviously the world would have been turned upside down wihtout me noticing, and that cannot be forgiven.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Simple. To show that Mario can go and do Crono's role, and do it bloody well better than Crono can.

So, so true.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Slowflake...

On the issue of overrepresentation I must say that I intended Sub to take out Scorp (because the blue ninja would be more likely to get my vote, and I hate MK, so that'd be an accomplishment), Chun-li to replace the spot once held by Ken and many other subs. Fankly some characters have had more than enough time in the sun. Also, don't discount the likes of Samonosuke. He may not be destined to be a powerhouse, but he could still beat Gordon which is enough to give him a chance. I'm tired of seeing the same losers every year, and if I can see some different losers who may not be then I would like to
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I can't wait for Mario and Crono to be uber close as hell and for everyone to be on edge, hell I already am!

Go crono!
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 62/64 Rank: 16th

Just a bit more than 4 more hours until Crono owns Mario.

:)
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Damn right bro! Tell 'em!
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 62/64 Rank: 16th

I have to ask, what is with everyone wanting to include Nightmare? He doesn't strike me as anyone who would be that special. There are plenty of other characters that I could see being stronger than him.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Nightmare is awesome...Best SC character Evar!
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Yoshi - Bracket: Link - Vote: Yoshi (60/64)

Mario will win and by a greater margin than ever before. That's right, 900 votes this time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

"I have to ask, what is with everyone wanting to include Nightmare? He doesn't strike me as anyone who would be that special. There are plenty of other characters that I could see being stronger than him."

I've alwasy been of the opinion that Kilik would make a better representative for SC, especially since he took up what is basically the most prominent role in the story starting with SC1. For as much as fighting games don't have main characters, the actual storyline revolves around his actions quite a bit. Plus the girls think he's teh hawt, or something. I only said Nightmare because I knew it was the popular choice on the boards and because he's one of my favorite characters (actually, Siegfried, but close enough... though Seung Mina is hte best)
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Ugh. You're so wrong it's not even funny.
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 62/64 Rank: 16th

"Mario will win and by a greater margin than ever before. That's right, 900 votes this time."

You know, I had shall we say a "vision" of someone winning by 867 votes. It was no Mario.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

If Link keeps this up, he could make another run at Sephiroth's vote total record - he's only behind Sephiroth by 235 at the moment.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That was to HM about the vote total.
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 62/64 Rank: 16th

What's this talk about "him" listing Mario RPG as Mario's main title? Did I miss something?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

If anybody wins by a comfortable margin this year, it'll be Crono. Mario will have to sweat it out to the last minute if he wins.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Mario will win by a great margin this year, make no mistake.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

First sentence in the second paragraph of my first post in this topic

It seems my sense of humor cannot appeal to everybody.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

I dunno man, Crono looks ready to unleash some great stabbity justice.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Has CJayC ever used a pic of Mario in Kuribo's Shoe? Because that would be awesome, I must say...
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

A "greater margin" could be 150. Mario would still have to sweat that out.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

I was thinking something more like... 900.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Has CJayC ever used a pic of Mario in Kuribo's Shoe? Because that would be awesome, I must say...

The Shoe was in the second R in the SMB3 vs. LoZ match.
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Dragon Warrior vs. Dragon God: Zenithian heroine Sofia faces off against God Emperor Fou-Lu at www.rpgdl.com.

That was a user-made picture, so CJayC himself has never used Kuribo's Shoe Mario.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

And IIRC Mario wasn't in the shoe, either.

Not that pics make a difference...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

When I wake up I'm expecting to see Crono hover around 53%. We'll see if I'm being too optimistic.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

You may be... I think you Mario fans are hoping for too much.

:)
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I'm afraid to wake up tomorrow morning.

Seriously, I still have Calc homework to do.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
62/64/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

Thankfully, I only have 2.5 hours of class on Monday's. I'll be around for most of the match. Screw doing my laundry.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"Screw doing my laundry."

...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Doing laundry is for n00bs.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

What? My hamper dealy is overflowing. I've been at college for a month and I've only done my laundry once.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"Doing laundry is for n00bs."

...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"I've been at college for a month and I've only done my laundry once."

...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Shush Crono.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

...
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...

But no, really, wash your damn clothes. It can't take that much out of your match viewing time.

But I'm lazy!
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Washing clothes is a pain in the ass. I do it every Tuesday.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Not that pics make a difference...

I'm going to vote Crono, but I would vote for Mario in the shoe, just on principle. But that's probably the only situation I would do that in.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Hell, laundry isn't for n00bs. Clothes in GENERAL are for n00bs.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

But you'll stink!

--. --- -.. .... . .-... .--. ..- ...

Hell, laundry isn't for n00bs. Clothes in GENERAL are for n00bs.

Say that in Montreal some time in February.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Say that in Montreal some time in February.

Say that in Cuba on November 19th.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Laundry takes two hours out of my day. That sucks.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

-.-. .-. --- -. --- .-- .. .-.. .-.. .-- .. -., -... - .--

Yep, that's the truth right there.

Say that in Cuba on November 19th.

...I'm lost.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

...I'm lost.

Then my work here is done.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Two hours once a month, I think you can spare the time. And, of course, everyone around you will likely appreciate it if you spared the time on a regular basis.

Is that Morse code?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Is anyone else positively dreading Auron's imminent slaughter at the hands of Sephiroth? This seriously makes me cry; Sephiroth is my 2nd fav villain of all time (1st is Grand Admiral Thrawn from the Star Wars books) but Auron is by far the greatest VG character EVER (IMHO) and to see him going into this match that he cannot win just makes me weep.

Yes. Oh gosh, yes. =(

Here's a random thought: in an ACTUAL fight, do you think Auron could beat Sephiroth?

Yes. Oh ****, yes. =)
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 61 of 64
Next Match: Link vs. Yoshi

-.-- . ...

Why do you ask?

Well, I'm gone for the night people...

GO MARIO!!

The third victory in three years... oh yes...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

What is this laundry people speak of. I just throw my clothes in the sink every two months and let them dry for a day...

Is something wrong with that?

"The third victory in three years... oh yes..."

You wish.

I will tell you guys what will happen in this match very simply. The eagle lands at 3 0' 12.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Say that in Montreal some time in February.
XD
*agrees*
though I love winter up here.
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16274996

"Is something wrong with that?"

Let me ask you something first, do you have a girlfriend?

When you don't do anything, you don't smell. Besides, I have a lot of clothes. Why do you think it takes me two hours?

And I've been at RIT for 3 weeks and have done laundry once. So that's 1 load/10 days, because my clothes came fresh from home. So I can push it off for another couple of days.

And why are we talking about my laundry, anyway?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

though I love winter up here.

I despise Montreal's seasons. It's too hot in the summer and waaay too damn cold in the winter.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Because Mario-Crono isn't for 3 hours, and we're all discussioned out for the moment.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

I despise Montreal's seasons. It's too hot in the summer and waaay too damn cold in the winter

Move to long island. It's tasty and has moderate seasons.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

"It's too hot in the summer"

Hot? I live in a desert. I've pushed carts in 100+ heat (that being of the F variety, and of course not of the C variety you Canadians are fond of).

Heh, it's nice and cold here in Rochester.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"Move to long island. It's tasty and has moderate seasons."

Smit, he's totally sending you signals.

-... . .-- .- .-. .

Move to long island. It's tasty and has moderate seasons.

I'd move if I could.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Georgia has nice weather most of the year. Winters can be cold sometimes, but nothing intolerable.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Smit, he's totally sending you signals.

Lmao.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I despise Montreal's seasons. It's too hot in the summer and waaay too damn cold in the winter.

Too cold in winter for some people's taste I'll accept, but too hot in summer? Come oooooooon!
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16274996

Hot? I live in a desert. I've pushed carts in 100+ heat (that being of the F variety, and of course not of the C variety you Canadians are fond of).

It's not the heat, it's the humidity with the heat.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

It's not the heat, it's the humidity with the heat.

Heh, love that southern humidity here.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Too cold in winter for some people's taste I'll accept, but too hot in summer? Come oooooooon!

Eh, well, it wasn't too hot for too long...the summer is mostly mild, actually, just the occasional painful day. It's the winters that really kill it here for me.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

"It's not the heat, it's the humidity with the heat."

And I used to live in Florida, on the western coast. I hate heat, by humidity is often fine by me.

Yes, I'm strange...

... --- .-- .... .- -?

Eh, well, it wasn't too hot for too long...the summer is mostly mild, actually, just the occasional painful day. It's the winters that really kill it here for me.

Have you always lived here or only for a few years?
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16274996

Have you always lived here or only for a few years?

Only a year. And yes, I heard that last winter was a little extreme even for the area, but I still don't want to live in a place that averages -10 C at any point in the year. Hell, half of February was well below -20; there was at least a few days that hit -40 C with wind-chill factor.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Wtf!?! That is very cold. Clothes are for winners now! But still, don't mention Montreal in Cuba on November 19th. You will get gang-banged faster than you can say, "There's a moose on my patio!"
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Wtf!?! That is very cold. Clothes are for winners now! But still, don't mention Montreal in Cuba on November 19th. You will get gang-banged faster than you can say, "There's a moose on my patio!"

I'm still confused.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Okay, I've had this theory for a while, am I the only one who sees this as a possibility?

2k3, MvC2.

There is equal vote-stuffing on both sides, effectively cancelling each other out--the fact that it was such a high-totalling match shows that easily. With an hour left to go, the Crono votestuffers collectively say, "Ok, we've got this thing won," and stop stuffing to the extent that they did before.

The Mario stuffers don't. Hence, the comeback.

This year, if my theory holds true, the Crono stuffers will be damned if they'll slack off at the end like happened last year...

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If you add monster truck tires to the Pope-mobile, religion suddenly becomes funny - SSJ3 Popo

"but I still don't want to live in a place that averages -10 C at any point in the year."

Heh, that's not all that bad. I've seen days as low as -10 F before, and the two aren't far off. Of course, that's not during the middle of the day (which would suck), but still... I've seen some cold, too. I actually prefere the cold. If you can handle the heat we shoudl switch, heh.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I'm still confused.

Nothing about that sentence is cause for confusion.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Only a year. And yes, I heard that last winter was a little extreme even for the area, but I still don't want to live in a place that averages -10 C at any point in the year. Hell, half of February was well below -20; there was at least a few days that hit -40 C with wind-chill factor.

Only a year...good luck to you then! Why the hell did you come here anyway? =P And I'll agree with you that -40 C is cold as hell...and for those of you who live way too damn south to understand how cold this is, we get to a point every year where we think it's hot when we hit 15F on a given day =)
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16274996

I also prefer the cold. I'm a redhead; I hate the heat.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Only a year...good luck to you then! Why the hell did you come here anyway?

By force.

we get to a point every year where we think it's hot when we hit 15F on a given day =)

Yeah, I love the people who start wearing shorts when it hits 10 F.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

"we get to a point every year where we think it's hot when we hit 15F on a given day"

That sounds like my kind of place. Then again, most people I know think I'm crazy because I can be outside at 8:00 in the dead of winter wearing shorts and a t-shirt. Of course, with 15F being a high I would have to invest in some pants, and maybe a jacket as well.

And yes, -40C is scary cold.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I also prefer the cold. I'm a redhead; I hate the heat.

Uh...Speaking of redheads...Go Crono? Or something contest related.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Yes. Go Crono.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Uh...Speaking of redheads...Go Crono? Or something contest related.

Speaking of something contest related, I finished my algorithm assignment yesterday! Hooray!
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

"Uh...Speaking of redheads...Go Crono? Or something contest related."

As I said:

-.-. .-. --- -. --- .-- .. .-.. .-.. .-- .. -.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Speaking of something contest related, I finished my algorithm assignment yesterday! Hooray!

Uh...Congratulations?
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Je ne comprends pas.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Speaking of something contest related, I finished my algorithm assignment yesterday! Hooray!

HOORAY! Speaking of algorithms, I started Ocarina of Time for the first time ever four days ago!
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

"HOORAY! Speaking of algorithms, I started Ocarina of Time for the first time ever four days ago!"

Speaking of OoT, Crono is going to win.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

HOORAY! Speaking of algorithms, I started Ocarina of Time for the first time ever four days ago!

Speaking of Ocarina of Time, I need to go to bed now. G'nite.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 60/64, Next Winner: Link

Speaking of Crono, I'm going to bed. Hope to see him ahead when I wake up.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

I like shorts! They're comfy and easy to wear!

That being said, what do people think of my theory?

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If you add monster truck tires to the Pope-mobile, religion suddenly becomes funny - SSJ3 Popo

Speaking of Ocarina of Time, I need to go to bed now. G'nite.

Speaking of bed, good night. OH! Threw YOU for a loop there didn't I?!?! Good night.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

Heh, too bad the match has to take place on a weekday. The cheaters won't be out in full force like they would have been had it taken place today as originally planned.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Only a year...good luck to you then! Why the hell did you come here anyway?

By force.

XD If I had room, I'd sig that.

Je ne comprends pas.

Never thought I'd hear someone speak french here. Especially not without any mistake!

Time for sleep, can't wait to see how this match has gone when I get up for school in like 5 hours....
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16274996

Sleep is for the weak.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Catchin' up on the topic, MasterMage cracks me up.

Question: assuming Crono beats Mario (which I hope, pray, and think won't happen), would Crono pull out a performance against Link to give both him and Mario a rise in the X-Stats? I'd like to think so, but considering that there wasn't a large difference performance-wise between Mario/Link 2k2 and Mario/Sephiroth 2k3, probably not.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

You made a relatively long post that somehow addressed neither of my points.


Fine then, how about this: Bracket-voting is dumb because it makes matches less fun.

That would require Mario to win the night vote, which I can't see happening. Chrono Trigger and Crono own the night vote.


Doesn't winning the night vote just mean that you do better with the night vote than with the day vote? Mario could be at, say, 50.2% with the night vote, and move up to 52% with the day vote, only to go back down to 51% with the second night vote. Doesn't seem too impossible to me.

Nah, winning any portion of the vote just requires increasing in percentage moreso than your opponent.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

And Dabu has yet to respond to either of the two posts I made on the topic.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"would Crono pull out a performance against Link to give both him and Mario a rise in the X-Stats?"

Yes.

"Doesn't winning the night vote just mean that you do better with the night vote than with the day vote?"

No, it just means that you are gaining during that time span... take Link there for an example, he's winning every part of the vote, and Yoshi has made no effort to really take it back.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Speaking of Link, he's still gaining...81.67%, and over 90,000 votes.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"Speaking of Link, he's still gaining...81.67%, and over 90,000 votes."

The way you said that made it sound like Link himself was over 90k votes.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Yeah, my bad. 90,000+ total votes.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Link is a machine. Samus seems weak, when you compare the vote totals...

Think Link can take the highest vote total from Sephiroth?
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

"And Dabu has yet to respond to either of the two posts I made on the topic."

If you asked a question I would have answered it, but neither post contained a question mark, so unless you merely want me to comment on the content of your posts I don't see what's required of me. If it's the case that you merely want to see why or if I agree/disagree, I'll get around to it tomorrow if I have the time.

A brief answer from what I remember from your posts: It seemed that the bulk of your argument was the number of people who vote in a certain pattern, which I believe is something that we are unable to verify and can only speculate on. I'll give a better answer at a later date.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

I was talking more about the lack of appreciable amounts of bracket voters. No hurry, but I would like to read what you have to say.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"Samus seems weak, when you compare the vote totals..."

Round 3 matches are supposed to be bigger events than round two matches, of course... and if you think big vote totals are the only tihng that indicate standings you should go back to 2k3 and talk to Magus after his first round.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Coincidentally, said Magus match was against Sam Fisher. Maybe he just doesn't draw people to the polls.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Neither of them draw people, obviously. That didn't stop Magus from looking quite beast-like... standing in the top 10 and all.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I was connecting Fisher to Samus' somewhat disappointing total votes yesterday. It's getting late and I'm not making connections properly.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

I know you were. The connection may have some validity to it. I was also just attemptingto point out two things... high vote totals don't necessarily indicate cahracter streangth and OMG CRONO IS ABOUT TO START HIS WINNING RUN IN AN HOUR AND A HALF!
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Call me crazy, but I think the match picture has a lot to do with the higher vote total. Link is a big part of course, but you simply cannot ignore something so big and bright.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I don't think Link can catch Sephiroth's total vote record, either. He's about 700 votes behind Sephy right now.

It would be pretty amazing if he did, considering this is round 3 and Link should be going against somebody decent...
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

"but you simply cannot ignore something so big and bright."

You can if you can't see it, and at my resolution you can't see it without scrolling.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Especially today's pic with the red-and-black surrounding background ad...then a decent-sized green square pops out at you with two characters any kid grown up on Nintendo would recognize.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

You can if you can't see it, and at my resolution you can't see it without scrolling.

Good point...increase the resolution; bigger is better.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

"increase the resolution"

Anything above 800x600 looks like crap to me while using this monitor. Besides, it took me a long time to get used to the jump from 640x 480 to 800x600, I don't think I'm ready to do it again.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Anything above 800x600 looks like crap to me while using this monitor. Besides, it took me a long time to get used to the jump from 640x 480 to 800x600, I don't think I'm ready to do it again.

0_o

I can't stand anything under 1280x1024...
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

Bingo, RPGuy.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

As it is, icons sometimes feel small to me. I can't stand the idea of them being smaller and I'm far too cheap to buy a new monitor.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

And NOONE has yet responded to my theory. >.<

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If you add monster truck tires to the Pope-mobile, religion suddenly becomes funny - SSJ3 Popo

...what was your theory again? It's late over here.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Doing laundry isn't a pain. Paying for every load in the washer and drier is. You need a huge stockpile of quarters. And I have tons of laundry to do.
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Current score 55/64. Next match: Mario.

I like shorts too, they are quite comfortable. Pants tend to be too restrictive to me.

Oh, wait, vote stuffers. Yeah, maybe, who knows.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Back with the laundry again...

Heh, I use my RIT debit. All I have to do is swipe a card. Admittedly, I'm still paying far too much, but at least I don't have to keep track of quarters.
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Link (2002) --> Clinkeroth (2003) --> Megamus Clinkeroth (2004)
Supporting Samus over Mega Man for the finals!

One hour until Crono begins the massacre. I can hardly wait.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

well, you're going to have to wait a looong time if you're waiting for that : P

Hopefully the match won't be a dud, and this particular matchup has such high standards that basically anything short of insance will unfortunately not do it.
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"well, you're going to have to wait a looong time if you're waiting for that : P"

It's only an hour.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Chichiri, I'd like to request a prediction of percentages for the Crono/Mario match, as well as how much you believe Crono will win by. :P

I just have this gut feeling that Mario's going to take it by a small count (read as: 200-400 votes)...
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

your theory might be true, funk...
...but i thought i heard mario only won because he suddenly started gaining votes.
not because crono started losing them.

were you guys keeping update logs back then, by any chance...?
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redline15: blasting off at the speed of light

You consider that small? Mario has taken it by less two years running.

Anyway, Crono by 867 and 50.385%
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Last time I checked, you can't LOSE votes in a poll unless the runner of the poll takes them away. That's just not how they work.

But good try.

...er.

not actually losing votes.
just not gaining them as fast.

...i...think that's what funk was trying to say...
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redline15: blasting off at the speed of light

Wow a 867 vote massacre? What was the Frog-Liquid Snake match. An Overwhelming Victory?

RedLine, thats how comebacks happen.

Reference: Master Cheif vs Frog and Ryu vs Jill

"Wow a 867 vote massacre? What was the Frog-Liquid Snake match. An Overwhelming Victory?"

In this match anybody winning by more than 300 votes at the close of the poll delivered a savage beating. Past dictates that either winning by 200 is something you shouldn't even come to expect.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Except the whole Mario by 2000ish in 2002.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

"Reference: Master Cheif vs Frog and Ryu vs Jill"

Except that the vote distribution in MvC2 doesn't even begin to resemble anything like those two matches, in fact it doesn't resemble ANY match I can think of.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"Except the whole Mario by 2000ish in 2002."

*Wonders what YokeI is talking about*
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Somebody actually proxy-voted for Crono over 3000 times the first year, but CJC only took the nescesarry amount for Mario to win. CJC said this in his topic regarding Starcraft/SSBM in the Spring.
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

I think he means that in 2002 more people thought Mario would win by 2000 votes, i.e. not that close.
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"Somebody actually proxy-voted for Crono over 3000 times the first year"

Whihc has nothing to do with whatthe poll displayed after it closed. That's all that I will take into account on this matter.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Necessary*
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

Actually I'm talking about the exess illegal votes by Crono that weren't deleted.

Of course, none of that is official, but we know the truth.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

And yes, goku, I was more than aware of this fact. Go back a couple pages and you will realize that.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

bla, I tried : )


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?


Um, alright. You just asked what he was talking about, no need to get your panties in a wad.
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

And it's not possible that CJayC is full of crap?

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I am Lucid Faia.

Why, exactly, would Ceej say something like that if it were a load of bull?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

To get some people to stop *****ing about Mario/Crono I is my best guess. Just a theory. Point is we don't know for sure what happened. Claiming there was 3000 votes and then taking away 400 doesn't make a lot of sense.

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I am Lucid Faia.

He actually claimed that he didn't realise the other 2600+ were illegal on the night.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Perhaps. That makes more sense.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Getting tired... only 15-20 minutes to go...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Definitely need some sleep, what with an exam in less than 7 hours. But what is another 30 minutes to catch the beginning of, quite possibly, my first AND last Mario/Crono match-up? <Drools>
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Anxiously awaiting... CRONO vs. mario
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 8 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

It nears...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

5 minutes, the suspense is killing me.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

dun....dun.....DUN


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That it does. T minus 5 minutes and counting.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Here we go!
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

CJayC is intentionally starting the poll late so that he will have just cause to leave it open late. I have Chrono in my bracket, but with Ryu it's F'd, so I'm voting, and rooting, Mario.

Late poll = bad
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Woot! 29th vote for Crono, and he was winning! yay!

</fanboyism>
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I think Part 65 should be "Special Mario vs. crono edition."

If the poll ever gets started.


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If you add monster truck tires to the Pope-mobile, religion suddenly becomes funny - SSJ3 Popo

10th vote, tied 5 to 5 and I voted Crono.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Well its obvious which side the board is on.

Wow, Crono is off to a great start so far.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

I guess we don't like Mario.
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The routing begins

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llll \|/ llll GO CANADA GO
llll ¯|¯ llll *Screw LUE*

I expect a Samus-Sam like blowout coming.

*Nominates Crono for King*
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 4191st place

Outside of a PGC like interference, I think this match might already be over....








....I hope someone notes sarcasm

"....I hope someone notes sarcasm"

Sarcasm? All I heard was the pure, golden truth.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I think Crono will win, but I think Mario will have the lead at least one time in this match.

http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

wow! looking back at the old page layout, this new one really does suck ass.
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Score-Brackets-% Right
64----1--------100.0000000
63----12-------100.0000000
62----28-------100.0000000
61----107------100.0000000
60----170------100.0000000
59----245------100.0000000
58----309------100.0000000
57----362------100.0000000
56----459------99.7821351
55----655------99.6946565
54----830------99.6385542
53----1026-----99.2202729
52----1362-----99.3392070
51----1478-----98.7821380
50----1819-----98.6256185
49----1885-----98.6737401
48----2181-----98.2576800
47----2252-----98.8010657
46----2209-----97.7365324
45----2145-----96.4102564
44----2072-----96.1872587
43----1744-----95.8142202
42----1646-----93.3171324
41----1485-----92.1885522
40----1325-----92.5283019
39----1011-----90.9000989
38----810------89.2592593
37----683------85.6515373
36----585------84.4444444
35----498------80.5220884
34----373------76.9436997
33----296------71.6216216
32----240------67.9166667
31----181------62.4309392
30----147------63.2653061
29----111------62.1621622
28----67-------50.7462687
27----79-------54.4303797
26----55-------41.8181818
25----31-------54.8387097
24----28-------28.5714286
23----13-------30.7692308
22----10-------30.0000000
21----8--------12.5000000
20----8--------25.0000000
19----2--------0.0000000
18----4--------25.0000000
17----4--------25.0000000

Nobody with a score of 16 or less got the match right. The top 8 tiers did perfect on this match and the next 18 or so predicted in the high 90s. Once again nobody fell off the Top 50. As a side note, CjayC screwed up on the scoring, 8 points instead of 4 were awarded for getting Link vs Yoshi right.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Geez, Crono is just giving a pounding to Mario. I almost can't bear to watch this carnage.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

I take that back. This isnt even going to be close. I say a couple thousand of votes seperate them.

Looks like Megaman and Samus have company with over-achievers.

Ah, the age-old battle between the Chrononauts and the Marionettes. I'm just glad HM isn't here to see this start. But I'm sure that it'll get closer later on.
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I would love for Crono to win by thousands. But there's a long way to go, and a lot of ups and downs to see.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

yes, die percentage die!
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I am praying for a percent win for either side just so we end this silly war.

No matter who wins, they are fodder to Link. One fodder is as good as another.

Crono 55.35% 1034
Mario 44.65% 834
TOTAL VOTES 1868

200 vote lead within 30 minutes. Damn.

What disappoints me so far is that this match is behaving like any other match. Normal vote totals, normal trends, normal board hype/reaction typical to any other close match. This all plays into Crono's hands, but it makes for a dull match.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

The only thing that helps Mario is voting trends have switched drastically more this year than ever.

With the sole exception of Xbox, what makes you say that?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Here are all the updates from last year, if you'd like to compare.

http://geocities.com/cyber1166/gamefaqs/03Summer/MarioVSCronoUpdates.txt


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I think the board reaction so far is much more hyped than normal, I mean, this topic itself was crawling last night. and its 3:30!!! the board is very awake.
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You got me there. I think all my examples were the two XBox Matches. I thought there was another.

Im still trying to make up a reason for this match to stay at least competitive.

Lower total votes per poll on average + Crono's best start ever + CT possibly influencing voters during the Spring Contest = A match for Crono to lose.

Basically, he couldn't ask for a better setup to finally take down Mario. If he loses again here, not sure if Crono can ever beat Mario.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

well, if you want a very very bad example. Mario's day vote will be much stronger this year than last because of school. More of his voters could vote for him late at night, but now they're asleep for school. when they wake up/get home, more of them will be available to vote.
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I think a certain someone needs to call this match so we can have a good finish...

Mario winning, but still a good finish.

94.05% took the not-elf to make it to Round Four. To put this in perspective, more people had Link winning his three matches than had Crono winning his first.
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Im going to throw out a few BOLD PREDICTIONS:

1. Link vs Cloud will be closer than Crono vs Mario
2. Crono will rank 5th in the standings beating out Megaman, but not Samus

As I'm writing this, Crono has a 236 vote lead over Mario. To say this is significant is an understatment, as this match has only started 30 minutes ago. Such a lead in a Mario-Crono match is miles beyond.

The reason for the shift can be any number of reasons, but I believe most of the ones I'd argue have already been mentioned here. Mario's fans are starting to abandon him, and Chrono Trigger's success in the spring contest has reinforced Crono's popularity in a new generation of gamers.

(Current Lead - 221)

Mario needs to get votes back right /now/, otherwise this match could be very difficult for him to take back. Mario is well known for taking the day vote, but should he have to regain a 4-digit lead, he'll have a much harder time this year than he did last year, especially with many more brackets favoring Crono than last year (As near as I can tell)

(Current Lead - 209)

Mario's gaining back votes, and he'll need to keep Crono's lead down. I'm off to sleep now, I expect this match to still be within 250 votes when I wake up. If Crono breaks a 1k advantage though, the scope changes completely.
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Overanalyzing Character Battles since 2002!

The contest poll has 8 times the votes of the poll of the day. Does that mean anything?
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Its funny how it can go seconds with neither side getting a vote and all of a sudden Crono gains 25 votes in 4 seconds.

Probably just my computer

I must say, Crono's fans were ready for this match. Mario tried coming back, and was smacked down before he could get it below 200.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

The contest poll has 8 times the votes of the poll of the day. Does that mean anything?

It means people don't care about or don't see the other poll. Traditionally, a contest poll will greatly outdo another poll on the same day.
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I know that the poll would out do it. but considering the number of people on the site. they cant all be that busy refreshing the cvm poll.
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

Crono 54.7% 1745
Mario 45.3% 1445
TOTAL VOTES 3190

Lead of 300. Something smells fishy to me...
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You know, I honestly don't care if Crono fans are stuffing the poll. If anyone deserves to get away with cheating in any one match, it would be Crono on this day.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

No, no one should ever get a win by cheating, and even if it meant drastically lower vote totals, I wouldn't be too upset it all cheat votes were removed.
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If CJayC took every measure possible, we would get matches with vote totals lower than that of Pokemon/Xenogears 1.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

This match is starting to take a pattern. Crono has increased steadily, but stalled at the 100, 200, and 300 vote lead marks. All Mario has done here is periodically stop Crono's advance every time Crono gains 100 votes on him.

If Mario doesn't hold Crono down, he'll need more of his voodoo to pull this off.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

What is the probability of interference such as in the frog/mc match happening?
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"Truly,if there is evil in this world,
it lies within the heart of mankind."-Dhaos

but at least they would be legitimate votes. and I think there could be some truth to my very very bad example.
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there was no interference in frog/mc
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I'm just hoping these results hold up long enough for Slowflake to see them. I'd love to see him try and downplay Chrono Trigger's spring performance after seeing Crono jump out to, and hold, a lead of nearly 55-45 =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Especially seeing that he didn't even manage to hit 52% last year besides the opening minutes....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

A nearly 600 vote lead for Crono now. He might actually break 1000 before the day vote kicks in.

Assuming, of course, that it favors Mario again that is.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

700 vote lead. Mario's in trouble, if Crono doesn't slow down.

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Current score 59/68. Next match: Mario.

almost 800
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Score:58/64 Todays Pick: Link
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

Pu-lease. The day vote hasn't even kicked in yet. Mario can easily come back.

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"The police are on their way. Till they get here I'm the only friend you've got, and I'm not a very good one."--Sam Fisher

True, seeing as this poll started at 3am EST, where as last year's I think started at midnight EST and last year's took place during the summer where as this year's is taking place on a late Monday in September. So because what we've seen thus far is the night vote in it's purist sense, Crono's lead is somewhat less impressive. Hopefully Crono will get the majority of the 3pm EST to 6pm EST vote, that's likely when most North American children will be coming home from school today.

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"When the president does it, that means it is not illegal." - Richard Nixon

Haven't checked any topic or post yet... however, Crono has the exact same lead as he did last year at this time. Problem is, Crono will have much longer to extend it due to school, and after that it's a game of catch-up I doubt Mario can win.

Crono wins. Next match please. Or better yet, Cloud/Sephiroth.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 064/068 - Matches: 46/49 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Mario - Tomorrow: Megaman

I see you're applying your curse early, Slowflake. >>

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

How many votes can Mario pull back during the morning-day time votes?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Dammit, now Crono is going to lose. >_<

Thanks Slow.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

heh, now that Slowflake showed up, Mario is coming back. Crono's lead was up around 800 and now Mario has cut it down to 760. go Mario!!!

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

also, if crono had the same lead as last year, that would be worse, since he had a better start.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

Slowflake is a man of magic and voodoo. God bless him.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Crono struck back and broke 800 again...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 064/068 - Matches: 46/49 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Mario - Tomorrow: Megaman

awww.. dang. well, we'll have to see if the afterschool vote gives Mario a big boost. otherwise, he is done.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

*busts out the classic Journey tune*

DOOOON'T STOP, BELIEEEEEEEEEEEEEVING!!!!!
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I hope Crono falls apart during the day. O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Almost 900 baby!
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Hmmm....A wire-to-wire Mario-Crono matchup doesn't seem right. Mario should cut into the lead with the day vote and make it interesting.
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

Yay Crono winning means a possible re-entry into the top 50
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Current SC2K4 Score: 69/72
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Yeah, but the day vote will be much shorter thanks to school. Here's to hoping it'll come in a concentrated hadoken of energy like it did for Master Chief.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 064/068 - Matches: 46/49 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Mario - Tomorrow: Megaman

Mario will come back. i hope.

<_<

900 votes isn't THAT much.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!"
black mage, 8-bit theater

900 votes is the max Mario ever came back from (twice in the same match though). He needs to cut Crono's march short.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 064/068 - Matches: 46/49 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Mario - Tomorrow: Megaman

Indeed he does.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Crono's skyrocketing towards 1000 now.

Gotta go.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 064/068 - Matches: 46/49 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Mario - Tomorrow: Megaman

1000+.

Off to class. Lets se how this is playing out around noon...
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

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It's over 1000 and it's over
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Summer 2004 Contest 59/66 Mario vs. Crono

With fewer total votes this year, Mario needs to cheat like he's never cheated before to win.

It's over, yay!
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

The only time the match is over is when one clearly has gotten to a point where no one else has every cameback before. Mario hasn't even had the day vote yet, in no way could this match be over. As long as it doesn't do something like progress to 2500-3000 Mario could still comeback.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Just submit already. Mario barely won last year and this year, Crono has more of a lead than he has ever had before. Couple that with lower total votes and you have a practically impossible situation for Mario to win in. :P
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Mario wins.

Two can play this game =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I said that it would be 53% when I woke up and it looks like I was fairly close to being correct.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Crono 53.54% 9067
Mario 46.46% 7867

Exactly 1200. Mario better get the day vote aas good as Master Chief, or else he's done.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Yep. Mario wins. I mean, everyone knows that Mario should get a stronger push in North America than Ryu and Master Chief. Especially since the majority of X-Box voters ARE in North America. Mario should be able to make a bigger comeback in North America than they did. I mean, who in North America even PLAYS Chrono Trigger? Weren't the characters drawn by some Japanese guy? Yep.... Crono has no chance to survive.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You woke up late. Crono was close to breaking 55% earlier this morning =)

As for Mario, all I've seen out of him are random cases of slowing down Crono's assault. It seems that every time Crono gains 100 votes, Mario goes 50-50 with him for a little while, then Crono proceeds to fight back again.

Interesting note: Crono won the day vote one time in the Spring Contest, and that was against Super Mario Brothers 3.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

The match pic looks like crono is about to gut mario, and that's exactly what's happening...
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Crono was around 57% at his peak earlier.

*goes to sleep and hopes to sleep off this alcohol*
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Percentages mean nothing. Crono is only up by 1300 and we've seen before that it's possible to come back from that many votes. If Master Chief can do it, certainly Mario can too. We're only 6 hours into the match so people shouldn't call it for Crono just yet. There will be probably two key times during the day to look for changes. When the East Coast gets off school there should be a steady increase for one of the characters, obviously whoever the favorite is. Also there will be another spike in voting 3 - 6 hours afterwards for the evening/night vote to begin. If Crono continues to slowly gain until 9pm EST, then I would say Mario has no chance to survive make his time. Note: this paragraph is intended to be objective; I'm trying to be realistic, not rally support for Mario. My bracket and vote went to Crono.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 4191st place

Master Chief also had help from a link being posted on one of the biggest Bungie sites in the world. Frog was well on his way to a multi-thousand vote win until that happened, and using that match as a reference point makes little sense.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

At last...Crono has defeated Mario...I can smell the Top 50 drawing closer tomorrow when the stats are updated...For I feel many Mario lovers will fall this night...

And whats with the 8 points for the 3rd round this year instead of 4...this can only help the cause of Steve :)

And best yet...if Crono can take out Mario...FROG can take out Snake.

Do not fail me, fanboys! DO NOT FAIL ME NOW!
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
Scores Above Me: 318 SC2K4: 67/72 (Go Frog!)

Ummmm... CaptainFlufflez, do you know WHY Master Chief was able to come back?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Someone should tell CJayC about the 4 extra points everyone has, if they haven't already.

Remember the bracket glitch that had Link winning a Chaos division first round match? We all knew but no one told CJay til late in the afternoon.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
62/64/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

Ouch. Mario can't stop it... this ****ing hurts my bracket.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 064/068 - Matches: 46/49 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Mario - Tomorrow: Megaman

I'm not worried...yet. We know that Chrono Trigger is horrible with the day vote, and Mario still has his infamous "clutch".
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

hehehe

Planet Gamecube to the rescue
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Summer 2004 Contest 59/66 Mario vs. Crono

hehehe

Planet Gamecube to the rescue

>_>

<_<
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Summer 2004 Contest 59/66 Mario vs. Crono

The best part of waking up,
Is Crono kickin' butt!
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I summoned Captain Planet, and all I got was this lousy sig!
CMB: Making fun of the less fortunate since 1989.

....as Crono pushes a 1300 vote lead.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
62/64/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]

...and to lose 3 karma like everyone who tried it before, right?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 064/068 - Matches: 46/49 - Rank: 00149/33221 - Today: Mario - Tomorrow: Megaman

lol
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Summer 2004 Contest 59/66 Mario vs. Crono

Doesn't look like Mario will pull a Mario this year, unless the Day Vote is much, much friendlier to him..
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I bring death to all topics I post in!
I helped summon Captain Planet to Board 8

Heh, I'm not sure what's more annoying: Seeing people try to post count to 500, or seeing people who tag at the beginning.

I rarely mark messages, but I always mark the people who post count at the end (and it seems that I'm not the only one!).

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Now that I am doing pretty well in this contest, I wish I hadn't picked Sephiroth to win. His chances are slim with Cloud and Link being strong as ever and having a new power rise in Samus.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
62/64/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

From: PreciousTorso | Posted: 9/20/2004 9:29:00 AM | Message Detail
Someone should tell CJayC about the 4 extra points everyone has, if they haven't already.

I e-mailed him about it last night. It should be fixed soon enough.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Samus isn't that strong. Fisher blows. Seriously. You guys in this topic change your minds all the time. First MegaMan is oober strong, then Samus. You say Sephiroth is slacking and no one can beat Cloud or Link. ALL MATCHES ARE RELATIVE. Just because Samus gets 80% on Sam Fisher doesn't mean Cloud wouldn't still get 55% on her. It doesn't matter what she's projected to get, the objective nature of statistics make them a flawed form of mathematics.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 4191st place

That was a nice post, Flufflez. I've been preaching that to deaf ears for months.

I think one of the big reasons we're supporting Samus and Mega Man so much is to see a shakeup. Clinkeroth dominating is nice, but it's also boring.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

^Amen
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

So is this a sign that Crono has gotten stronger, Mario has gotten weaker, or both?
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Rocky Top, you'll always be home sweet home to me!
Tennessee 30, Florida 28

And hallelujiah, or however it's spelled.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Honestly, who knows.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I told you so...
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I just needed a sig so I could post messages like "..." and "10/10" without getting the stupid CAPS message.