I'll be asleep early tonight, so I won't be around to make the next topic tonight should the old one hit 500 in the meantime.

***Stats websites***

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

***Stats topics***

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

K.
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Contest Score [58/58] - http://lancelott.dotgeek.org/bracket/

Hi, Em :)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Hello.
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Contest Score [58/58] - http://lancelott.dotgeek.org/bracket/

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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Tagged for future reference.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

OMGWTF teh perfect with Cloud posted in here!!! *Faints*
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Anxiously awaiting... RYU vs. sora
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 6 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

By the time I awake tomorrow there should be insane amounts of posts here. I'd imagine most of them being how far Hayabusa's lead is.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

What.

Sora with 1000 vote lead.

What.

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Lancelot BT, gawdess of the Legends and Official owner of the "Hi, my name is (user name) and I'm a (user level)." Topic ®™

I love how dumb Heroic Mario is. 1100 vote lead for Sora. He wins the morning vote. If I recall Hyubasha only made a 900 vote comeback against Jill... hmmm

Even if Sora loses, I was right about Sora having a chance.
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Round 1: 30/32 Round 2: 28/28

Bump, just so people don't feel the need to make this topic while the other one's close.

What about this whipping that Sora's givin'? Lookin' like Sora could beat Bowser at this rate.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

This Sora upset is gonna hurt
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Current SC2K4 Score: 59/60
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Common sense.
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By the time I awake tomorrow there should be insane amounts of posts here. I'd imagine most of them being how far Hayabusa's lead is.

Heh heh.

I don't care about my bracket. Sora winning today thrills me to no end.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Imma go ahead and say my apologies; I referred to Samus as "he" twice in the same post at the end of the last topic. Please don't tar and feather me, I honestly know better.

Seriously.

I'm not kidding.

*feels heavy stares*
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Well, it DOES inject some fun into things, because I was getting worried at the lack of upsets...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

"HOWEVER I do not believe Samus to have a prayer of taking down Cloud/Sephiroth... not on this site at least,"

Do you think she'd have a shot at Crono? to be honest something like that sounds impossibel to me, if it were to happen on GameFAQs, yet it is possible. This site, for whatever reason, is very fickle. Old standards wax and wane, if even slightly, for no reason other than to do it. They don't even need to be in a new game for any sort of increase, Crono being an example of such, so the idea of Samus becomming one of the strongest characters on this site after Nintendo finally decided to support her properly is hardly a stretch of the imagination. Hell, if they's support Mario properly he could be a super power as well. And could you even imagine a new Chrono game featuring Crono?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Samus... HE!?!?! AAAAAAAH!!!!

And Chichiri, I agree with you completely. I believe it would be incorrect to assume those matches are split 50/50 right down the line. I am just making for discussion. And I think that so long as there are a couple dozen or so brackets with a chance at 190 or higher, we will see the holy grail achieved.

And I am a little depressed. I wanted to see a perfect bracket. Aaah well... next year. Vincent is about the only new character who could kick some serious ass, and we have a good idea of how everyone else measures up.

Note to CJayC: NO MORE HERO/VILLAIN MATCHES!!! You clown.
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Anxiously awaiting... RYU vs. sora
GameFAQs Claim to Fame: 7 hours of Superman 64... and counting...

I'm finally back! Anything I missed?
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Feat: OoT, Tetris, FF, MGS, SF64, Warcraft 3, MMX

Nothing special.

If you don't count the huge-ass upset we're seeing today, that is.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

By the time I awake tomorrow there should be insane amounts of posts here. I'd imagine most of them being how far Hayabusa's lead is.

I'm never letting HM live this down. :D
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Is it just me or is the board surprisingly calm for such a major upset?
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

I think we can call Sora this year's Squall. Any disagreements?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

*looks through the matches I've missed*

7 votes? How is this nothing special?
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Sounds about right.
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I bow down to smitelf, Queen ***** of the Universe. Her intelligence, wit, and sexiness have consume’d me.

^second'd
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Well, there's a chance, but I'm doubtful of it.

And next year could have a ton of surprises. Lots of character will have reason to increase in strength, while there will also be newbies we can't judge. If any of them are Square be afraid. Look at what Vivi has done so far. Now I believed it was possible for him to be that strong, but nobody else did. We still have characters like Serge who people want to see in but just haven't gotten the chance yet. Serge could be very, very dangerous if he got in. He'd be underestimated far, far more than even Vivi and could very wel lbe just as shocking. I see 2k5 more as a year of shakeups than a year of new characters though, and because of that I see a lot of character whose performances are known will just simply blow that all out of the water. And I'm not just talking Cloud and Seph, or even Link, but a whole ton of characters.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I've seen a decent amount of whining about how could "some girl with a key" possibly beat a ninja? But that's the usual whining we get whenever a Square character wins a match.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

"I'm never letting HM live this down"

How about you stop being childish and let it go, eh?
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I think we can call Sora this year's Squall. Any disagreements?

None whatsoever. He'll even be taken out by the same opponent with possibly a similar performance.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

He definitely is.

I mean, look at it.

Squall was expected by the majority to beat Jill in a rather close match. Instead, we get a surprise blowout. We all think he's going to lose to Luigi anyway, but Squall pulls the shocker of the year by winning 60-40 AND being the bracket favorite.

Sora was expected by the majority to beat HK-47 in a rather close match. Instead, we get a surprise blowout. We all think he's going to lose to Hayabusa anyway, but Sora pulls the shocker of the year by winning 60-40 and maybe being the bracket favorite.

Woops, let through a "Squall" on the Sora paragraph on my first post. The wonders of copy/paste.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

I think the Ryu fans who are here have just gotten it out of their system.

And I used to tolerate Sora, too...
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He definitely is.

I mean, look at it.

Squall was expected by the majority to beat Jill in a rather close match. Instead, we get a surprise blowout. We all think he's going to lose to Luigi anyway, but Squall pulls the shocker of the year by winning 60-40 AND being the bracket favorite.

Sora was expected by the majority to beat HK-47 in a rather close match. Instead, we get a surprise blowout. We all think he's going to lose to Hayabusa anyway, but Squall pulls the shocker of the year by winning 60-40 and maybe being the bracket favorite.

Overlookin' sayin' Squall instead of Sora, Sora is also beatin' Ryu worse than Squall beat Jill last year, and Jill lost to Ryu in the first round.

Sora's a new contender to deal with.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Well let's all revel in square's domination of everything on this site and keep it in mind next year when making our brackets. Unless it involves a certain villian you can make a salad out of of course.

NOTE: I'm not bashing square or gamefaqs for worshipping square, I'm a huge square fan myself.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 41/47. Points: 54/62 GO SEAHAWKS
Future predictions: Samus

Eh, I think Sora will drop below 60% with the after-school vote. Also, I don't discount the possibility that Jill dropped again.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Meant to mention Leonhart's point, too. Heh, WAY too similar.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Sora is also a 6-seed like Squall was last year, and is beating an over-rated 3-seed too. The similarities, they never end.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

And nearly as weak as the 3 seed Squall beat last year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Heh, ya know, it's funny. Looking at the possiblity that Sora is just barely short of Aeris and got his ass handed to him reminds me of when I said that Tidus would kill every FF character in the contest other than cloud and Seph... maybe I wasn't so far off. I mean, certainly this is all SFF showing through, but clearly there was enough that Tidus would pound everyone bellow him but Vivi into the friggin ground.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

The really big difference is that Sora isn't beating an icon like Squall did, sending the board into a massive uproar. Only the environment of a Mario/Crono could match that day.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Well let's all revel in square's domination of everything on this site and keep it in mind next year when making our brackets. Unless it involves a certain villian you can make a salad out of of course.

Yeah, just take a good look at the top of the pecking order, and you'll see a lot more Square than Nintendo.

(S) Cloud
(N) Link
(S) Sephiroth
(N) Mario
(S) Crono
(N) Samus

Looks good so far, right? Well, it's further down that it begins going heavily in Square's favor.

(S) Magus
(N) Ganondorf
(S) Tidus
(S) Auron
(S) Aeris
(N) Bowser
(S) Squall
(S) Sora

That's pretty telling, no? Only after that do most of the Nintendo second-rate characters come:

(N) Zelda
(N) Yoshi
(N) Kirby
(N) DK
(N) Luigi
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

"I mean, certainly this isn't all SFF showing through"

I meant to say it is NOT all SFF, not that it was.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Actually, Slow, I think you're underestimating Zelda, Yoshi, and Luigi by quite a bit.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Last post I'll devote to similarities between Sora and Squall: they were both nearly doubled in their first ever GameFAQs match.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

And how's that? Zelda got 40% against Megaman, but with the potential Sora is showing he could do better than that on Samus. And Squall already did.

Yoshi and Luigi are nothing more than glorified midpackers.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

Heh, now I remember how ridiculous we thought it was that Sora got a 6 seed AGAIN, and that he was overseeded. Who'd have thought he had actually been underseeded?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

"Zelda got 40% against Megaman, but with the potential Sora is showing he could do better than that on Samus"

And I'd take Mega Man over Samus every day of the week without fail, at least until Echoes hits.

And while Sora looks like he has the potential, I'm still a doubter. We don't know if Jill fell or not, and we haven't seen Ryu's late day push which could drop Sora by a few %, enough so to even tear away that potential.

On the subject of Yoshi and Luigi, howeve, you have clearly underestimated them. I say this because Luigi is no doubt above and beyond DK once more, and Yoshi faced potential SFF from Bowser which could be enough to put Yoshi over at least Squall, if not more, considering the fact that Squall does look a bit weaker this year than last.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

A Sora/Yoshi match would be interesting...but I'd give it to Sora if this match is a sign of anything.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Well Leonhart, this is the weakest of the four divisions by a long shot. Hardest to predict, no doubt, but in terms of the strength of the characters this is the weakest divison by far.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Still, even if all of that speculation wound up being true, it doesn't change the fact that a second-rate Square character will almost always beat a second-rate Nintendo character.

And why is overestimating Luigi always part of the menu? I mean, the X-Sts predicted his match against Yoshi perfectly, so it's quite doubtful that he got much SFF against Bowser.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

"A Sora/Yoshi match would be interesting...but I'd give it to Sora if this match is a sign of anything."

Maybe, but this match still isn't over. Ryu H will make up some ground later.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"it doesn't change the fact that a second-rate Square character will almost always beat a second-rate Nintendo character."

I agree. I just disagreed with some of your ordering. Especially Luigi under DK, since we know that's not the case.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Oh, really? I thought they were on par with each other.

Seriously, this would be a match I'd kill to see.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

Maybe, but this match still isn't over. Ryu H will make up some ground later.

Agreed and considered, but I still stand by Sora over Yoshi unless Ryu makes a much bigger surge than expected. I wish Ryu would make this respectable.....
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Well, I do agree that if the match against Jill was any indication, Hayabusa could end up with 41-42%.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

I'm thinking soem of us may have missed the implications of Yoshi vs. Luigi. I have little doubt that Luigi has taken an upswing thanks to the glorious M&L and that he could squeek by DK. Should he recieve such treatment, or better, in a new game I have no doubt that Luigi could grow quite a bit. I can only imagine if he were in Mario 128.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Agreed and considered, but I still stand by Sora over Yoshi unless Ryu makes a much bigger surge than expected. I wish Ryu would make this respectable.....

I think Yoshi would take that one personally.
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Jon Thomson - today: Sora, tomorrow: Samus - 52/60
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Luigi/DK would be interesting (I'd take Luigi, myself), but you know what would have me more puzzled?

DK/Ness. Ness got the hell SFF'd out of him by Bowser, DK got the hell SFF'd out of him by Mario. Both of their fanbases are kinda weird to judge, too.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

DK/Ness I would easily take DK.
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Feat: OoT, Tetris, FF, MGS, SF64, Warcraft 3, MMX

I'd pick Luigi, too... but never counting out DK.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

Yoshi faced potential SFF from Bowser which could be enough to put Yoshi over at least Squall, if not more, considering the fact that Squall does look a bit weaker this year than last.

Eh, that would be difficult since Squall was ahead of Bowser to begin with. Also, Luigi-Yoshi SFF didn't appear to make that much of a difference, so I don't think Bowser-Yoshi had too much either. Besides, he performed just about where we expected against Ryo anyway.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I'm thinking soem of us may have missed the implications of Yoshi vs. Luigi. I have little doubt that Luigi has taken an upswing thanks to the glorious M&L and that he could squeek by DK.

Mario will beat Crono due to the high-seller Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, as well as the glorious M&L...

...wait, what? Whaddya mean, no?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I have no doubt whatsoever that it'd be hard as hell to predict! :)

Assuming Yoshi faced no SFF last year then Jill wouldn't get but 46some% on him, and that's also assuming she hasn't dropped this year, which is possible. Until I see Sora face Samus I won't give anyone more than a very, very slight edge, and that goes to Sora... though my head feels like it may explode at the thought.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

THE CURSE OF THE THREE SEED RETURNS!

Sora beats (3) Hayabusa.

Frog beats (3) Master Chief by seven votes.

Upcoming:

(3) Crono will lose to Mario for the 3rd time in a row.

(3) Auron will get SFF'd to hell worse than Vivi against Seph.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

I think Ness would be on the receiving end of some more SFF if he faced Donkey Kong. He's not even stronger than him at his legitimate level anyway.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1650

It has already been proven that the 3 seed curse is gone.

If there is such a thing as a 3-seed curse, why isn't there a 4-seed curse?
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I guess because Luigi was the only 4 seed to lose before he was supposed to.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/17/2004 10:01:36 AM | Message Detail
"I'm never letting HM live this down"

How about you stop being childish and let it go, eh?

?

I was joking, I respect HM and was one of the only people on this board who defended him when people ribbed him unmercifully about picking Chrono Trigger. Don't jump to conclusions.


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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Games don't count in the curse. Only characters. Besides, there was Super Metroid.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

"Eh, that would be difficult since Squall was ahead of Bowser to begin with."

By a hair, no less.

"Besides, he performed just about where we expected against Ryo anyway."

Right, because fodder of Ryo's level are reliable in some fashion...

"Mario will beat Crono due to the high-seller Mario Kart: Double Dash!!, as well as the glorious M&L..."

Don't be rediculous. It takes a lot more to move an icon than it does to move a midcarder.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I'm thinking soem of us may have missed the implications of Yoshi vs. Luigi.

Yep. That one cost me a perfect second round. Damn Yoshi.

I have little doubt that Luigi has taken an upswing thanks to the glorious M&L and that he could squeek by DK. Should he recieve such treatment, or better, in a new game I have no doubt that Luigi could grow quite a bit. I can only imagine if he were in Mario 128.

Oh, you carried on. Well, given that DK's not going to get a 1-8 seed any time soon, I don't see him winning a match ever without a major boost from a new game. Maybe if he fluked a 9 and Gordon fluked an 8...

As for Luigi, he's definitely last 16 material given the right four-pack. It's just a question of finding a legitimate three or four seed that he could beat, and there's not too many of those about. Maybe if he's given something like Master Chief, Conker and Max Payne... actually, let's see if we can find seven non-Noble 9 characters that could beat Luigi and be fairly given a 3/4:

Squall
Auron
Bowser
Yoshi
Magus
Ryu (SF)
Zero
Tidus
Aeris
Dante
Ganondorf
Alucard

Yep. Luigi would need a very good draw to make the last 16. You could make genuine cases for most of those to have a 3 or 4 seed, and they'd all beat Luigi IMO.
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Jon Thomson - today: Sora, tomorrow: Samus - 52/60
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Maybe if he's given something like Master Chief, Conker and Max Payne

Hate to break it to you, but Master Chief would probably beat Luigi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

After Halo 2, of course. Right now, it's up in the air.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Not probably.

Master Chief would decimate Luigi.

Hate to break it to you, but Master Chief would probably beat Luigi.

Yep, especially given Halo 2 by the time we get to the next contest. I was struggling to find someone comparatively weak that could get a 3 or 4 seed. Luigi's definitely second round fodder then.
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Jon Thomson - today: Sora, tomorrow: Samus - 52/60
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Right, because fodder of Ryo's level are reliable in some fashion...

Eh, for Yoshi to be stronger than he really is, that would mean that Ryo would have to increase from being below Ratchet to being around Pac-Man's level for him to be as strong as Squall.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Don't be rediculous. It takes a lot more to move an icon than it does to move a midcarder.

What, Luigi isn't an icon now?

After Halo 2, of course. Right now, it's up in the air.

I'd take MC over Luigi, 53-47.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

"Not probably.

Master Chief would decimate Luigi."

Decimate? Hardly. MC is barely higher in the 2k3 rankings and, unlike MC, we have reason to believe that Luigi may have actually gained ground.

"What, Luigi isn't an icon now?"

Not in the way that Mario is. Luigi is much lower in the ranks, and for someone down that far it doesn't take nearly as much to move. To move an elite character they have to do something pretty special.

"Ryo would have to increase from being below Ratchet to being around Pac-Man's level"

After seeing how both of the characters you mentioned can just move without reasoning I'd hardly discount the possibility.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

First you're all undrestimating Sora, now you're all overestimating him. Sora over Bowser? Give me a break.
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Remember Dr T? Now he's back, in POG FORM!
Proud supporter of Viewtiful Joe!

After seeing how both of the characters you mentioned can just move without reasoning I'd hardly discount the possibility.

Considering how Pac-Man would've been expected to beat him nearly 60/40 both years, I would. Plus, even low end fodder like Ratchet didn't deviate too far from what he was expected to get against Dante. I do believe that fodder is more subject to change and fluctuation as opposed to the rest, but I couldn't imagine a 15-20% swing.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Damn...and i was so close to having a perfect second round...
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

This result is a complete shock.

Hoever, I highly doubt that Sora is almost even with Aeris. That wouldn't make much sense. If he was that close to her, it wouldn't make sense for him to suffer much SFF.

Jill could've dropped, and I think Ryu's pic really might be hurting him by a few % points. I mean, he is totally unrecognizable.

There may have been other full-body pics where a character was more unrecognizable, but this is a close-up--and I suspect that when a character doesn't look like himself in a close-up, it's even more confusing.

I honestly believe a non-insignifcant portion of people actually think that *is* the Prince of Persia!

Anyway, I have little doubt Ryu would be doing much better if he had an 8-bit Ninja Gaiden sprite.

And I think Ryu 2nd round might be weaker than Ryu 1st round by a little bit.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

Of course Sora isn't practically equal to Aeris. Later today I have no doubt he will drop a couple % and the gap will be wider. Of course, it still doesn't explain everything, but there's still the chance that he gained from last year or that Jill dropped.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Just when I stopped believing on my gut's instinct, it was proven right.

Logically, I realized that Sora has no chance to win.
But yet at the same time my instinct is pointing Sora's way.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Ryu's comeback against jill won't find ANY parallels in today's match against Sora.

This one is OVER.

The fat lady boss from Atlantica has SANG.


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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!"
black mage, 8-bit theater

I would be thrilled to see sora stay about 60%, just to shut the naysayers up.

I don't think a 10% comeback is possible this late.
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"I AM THE BLACK MAGE! I CASTS THE MAGIC SPELLS THAT MAKES THE PEOPLES FALL DOWN!"
black mage, 8-bit theater

From: sidharta | Posted: 9/17/2004 2:43:12 PM | Message Detail
Just when I stopped believing on my gut's instinct, it was proven right.

Logically, I realized that Sora has no chance to win.
But yet at the same time my instinct is pointing Sora's way.



WHAT?! Ryu can't comeback. He won't. j00 ph41led
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Round 1: 30/32 Round 2: 28/28

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What's this nonsense about not being able to recognize Ryu Hayabusa and him losing percentage because of it? Clearly everyone who's familiar with the *DOA series* recognizes his *ALTERNATE* costume.

I wonder if CJayC really has Ryu-hate going for him.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

"This one is OVER."

No one is disputing that, the issue isn't the winner but the final %
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Question: are they makin' any new games/series of/with Ninja Gaiden/Ryu Hayabusa?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Sora is the most recent addition to my list of favorite characters. Great job today, I knew you had it in you.
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Ho hum.

If they aren't they should. It's not a smashing success, but its no doubt one of Tecmo's better sellers, and a sequel is the only logical course of action. Hopefully a multiconsole sequel...
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Hmm, think I will have a Top 50 placement after today? I was #6 before that damned Yoshi....

Here is how it goes for me after this point:

I WILL win the contest if Sephiroth beats Cloud. No way around it. Too bad I now realize that is probably not gonna happen >_>

But I am very confident in Crono over Mario and Link winning it all. Blasted Sephiroth, you better kick the crap out of Cloud....
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but...

The curse of the 3 seed continues. MC and Ryu have fallen, and Auron will fall shortly. Will Crono be the one to break the curse of the 3 seed?
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

I WILL win the contest if Sephiroth beats Cloud. No way around it.

What if the perfect with Sephiroth chose Sora today? Or if today is the only one he loses and has an identical bracket to yours with a better tiebreaker? Hey, you could still not win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Crono should be able to beat Mario....though Mario has my vote, and I hope he does win because the yearly PWN'ing of Crono is the greatest tradition of the contest...
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

A contest win still isn't guarenteed for ya man, even if Seph does take it. It's not like youre the only person who will get this, MvC, SvS and have Seph taking it all. It'll be close, and you may pull it off if Seph does win, but it's not guarenteed.

And you're 2-off with Sora today? Top 50 placement is very likely.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

I don't see how you could say the curse of the 3 seed continues. They're only supposed to get to the Sweet Sixteen and lose to the 2 seed there. Auron will do his job, and Crono could go beyond. Master Chief fell short by 7 votes. Hayabusa's the only 3 seed who really bombed this year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I have Link over Sephiroth finals. The only match I am really worried about is C/S2....and if I had to bet my house on it, I would go with Cloud at this point. But it's been a good ride...26th in the Spring is worse than not placing, because I was SO close...
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

If it weren't for that freaking MGS and that freaking LttP, I would be recieving $500 worth of games from EB right about now >_>
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

"If it weren't for that freaking MGS and that freaking LttP"

Guess you shouldn't have gone against the Gurus on those matches then.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

goku, I'm in the same boat. Heck, we even lost our perfects on the same match. The difference is, I have Seph winning it all. If he can beat Cloud, he can beat Link. Here's hoping.

And if Seph loses against Cloud, I'm rooting for Megaman and, consequently, Heroic Mario's bracket all the way.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
58/60/192 Next tough pick: Sora

Ya know, thinking about it, it's funny to think anyone would have faith in Seph beating Cloud yet think he'd then somehow lose to Link. I'd be in utter disbelief if that happened.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Hayabusa's loss = the 3 seed curse.

Don't deny it, u no it tru
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 57/62 Next Pick: Samus

Question: are they makin' any new games/series of/with Ninja Gaiden/Ryu Hayabusa?

Ninja Gaiden 2 has been confirmed by several members of Team Ninja, including Tomonobu Itagaki. Ryu's also going to be in Dead or Alive Ultimate.
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It's the battle of the "Bow"-men at www.rpgdl.com, as Bowman Jean faces the Hunting Clan's champion, Bo!

Goku, I feel your pain on LoZ:LttP. I had it as my upset special and end up losing to FF7, but it failed me in the division championship in a close match. I wouldn't be been winning any prizes, but 175 woulda sounded MUCH better than 151.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

We knew from the begining that in a balanced bracket there's no way Ryu H would take a 3 seed. He got a 3 seed in the weakest division, so it wasn't too surprising. Fact of the matter is that before the contest even started I didn't think he was worthy of more than a 5 seed, all that changes is that he wasn't worthy of more than a 6 seed in that division. It's not a curse, it's just ceej allowing too much pull from skewed nomination pools.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

The last thing we need is Ryu to be in another DOA game so he can have more crappy pics.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
58/60/192 Next tough pick: Sora

Doma, when're they supposed to be released, or do ya know?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

DOA Ultimate for Xbox Live is due soon actually.

Though all I care about is MK Deception...oh how the Xbox Live kiddies will fall to me then :)

And then the SF Collection on there in springtime...yay lots of fighters for me, yippee.

Sora? Bah...
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Steve Illumina: The Elite Satirist of GameFAQ's
Perfects to Fall: 4 SC2K4: 59/64 (Dammit!)

I had Hayabusa as a 13-seed in my bracket, facing SF Ryu in the first round and, dun DUN, Frog in the second.

Guess I wasn't as far off as some people made me believe.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

Where'd everyone go?
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
58/60/192 Next tough pick: Sora

We all fainted because Sora isn't losing any ground and is still performing at near Aeris levels.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Heh, cool. Looks like the gurus, for the most part, were pwned by Sora.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
58/60/192 Next tough pick: Sora

So much for the after school vote hurting Sora eh?
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

From the last topic, about Sora:
This has got to be one of the biggest turnarounds ever, going from 39th to as high as 10th.

Just wait til next year, when Ganondorf goes from 61st back to 11th.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 58/60
Current Oracle ranking: 2nd | Pick: Ryu with 51.5%

I can't say I'm terribly surprised on this one. Listening to the board has its pros and cons. I wonder if I've gained or lost more points due to changes I made due to board consensus...

Anyway, in case no one else has mentioned it:

I've noticed in this round particularly that SFF is really prominant. More so than anyone even predicted. Take any match that was not close to the extrapolated prediction, and SFF was probably involved. Notable examples are Sora and Kefka.
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I figured I should have a sig. So I have a sig.

Come on.. keep it upa bit longer..

I might be winning my first prophet challenge this year at this rate!
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Yes, SFF was clearly worse than expected in most matches last year. Aeris/Sora, Bowser/Ness, Crono/Kefka, Cloud/Auron, etc.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

I wonder if I've gained or lost more points due to changes I made due to board consensus...

Probably gained. It'd be pretty tough to win this contest without the board, and even tougher to win without a few lucky, but smart, upset picks.

This match crushes my possibility of being in the top50 again, after reaching a peak of 21.

Goku z - You'll be on there. You're at the high end of the (-2) in terms of order, and right now, only 24 brackets of (-0) and (-1) need to fall until we see a (-2) on the leaderboard. If about 30 fall today, you'll see it. And with 73 there, I'm willing to bet that less than half picked Sora (see: Guru challenge, etc. More low end than top brackets will have Sora)
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Score: 53/56
Chaos Picks: Sonic, Dante, Ryu, Samus

Not in the way that Mario is. Luigi is much lower in the ranks, and for someone down that far it doesn't take nearly as much to move. To move an elite character they have to do something pretty special.

KH wasn't all that special. Neither was MMAC. And they still managed to give big boosts to elites. M&L would give Mario a boost, IMO, because he's a much different character in that than in most games, and he's actually very funny.

And on the subject of Sora: try adjusting Sonic to 2k2 level, and see what you come up with then. If Sonic did underperform (for whatever reason), that would mean that Aeris, Sora, Zero, Scorpion, Ken, and Sonic were all stronger than they appeared last year. Which is possible, except that it doesn't make sense for Zero or Scorpion to be stronger than they looked, since they underperformed this year. Oh well, it would still be interesting to see, and would reduce the amount of SFF Sora needed to suffer.

Something is clearly wrong with the amount of SFF Sora would have had to suffer, but I'm holding off from making any guesses until Sora/Samus, provided we can get a decent read on Samus this round.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Do you think I'll be on the leaderboard???

OK...bad question...
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Summer Contest Current Score:59/60
Next Picks:Sora,Samus

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Sora vs. Ryu

WHAT THE ****?!?!?

That was my first reaction when seeing that I had woke up a little earlier (1 hour) than I wanted. Then I get ready and check the polls and....

WHAT THE ****?!?!!?

Sora winning with 60%+. So wrong on so many levels. What can we infer from this match then?

1. Ryu was overseeded and Jill.....deserved her seed. Ryu/Jill did a GREAT job at tricking us about Ryu's strength. Jill has definitely fallen since last year, and Ryu, who was overseeded by miles, faced the washed-up, beaten and bruised Jill.

2. Sora = Squall. I know it's hard to believe, but from today's results, Sora either faced MASSIVE SFF against Aeris, or just got a huge boost from out of nowhere.

Seriously, today's poll is just shocking. 2 points down the crapper for me. HM must be pissed though, I mean, Joe cost him his leaderboard spot the first time, and now Ryu messes up his chances. =P
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sora vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Ryu (58/60)

Oh, and inspired by LuniNutz's bracket viewer program and incredibly bored in Calculus, I created a skeleton program for automatically evaluating several situations in the XS. Unfortunately, I programmed it on the only implement available to me at the time, a TI-89, and I can't seem to find my graph link.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Before I read the chaos, I have to clean up a few things...

1) 46 Shdwdde 59 Link

W00t. I can't believe I suicided that account. :\

2)From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/16/2004 5:46:31 PM | Message Detail
Everyone was sure that Joe would beat Tails, too.

From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/16/2004 5:47:58 PM | Message Detail
But there was no real reason to think so. Heck, I even had Tails winning for the longest time.

On the other hand, everything stacks up in favor of Hayabusa.

From: Shadowdude II | Posted: 9/16/2004 5:49:29 PM | Message Detail
Changing to Joe was the only change I made to my bracket and it lost me a point.

From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/16/2004 5:52:02 PM | Message Detail
It'd be true for me too, if only I remember who I first had winning Ryu/Jill. I think I had Jill making it to Samus on my first draft.

Which seems to say if I had simply kept my old bracket (with Solid beating Frog), I would have a perfect bracket. Yes, winning the contest-perfect.

3) Sora 60.75%
Ryu Hayabusa 39.25%

Sora is WINNING the kiddie-coming-home-from-school vote.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

HM must be pissed though, I mean, Joe cost him his leaderboard spot the first time, and now Ryu messes up his chances. =P

Better believe it. I was only 23 off from being on the leaderboard and today would have gotten me up there; as it turns out I'm not making it due to Sora. >>
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Looking at the match, Sora has done nothing but increase since I left this morning it seems. He's almost at 61%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

since they underperformed this year.

Zero did NOT underperform.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

BTW, I could see Link handing Sephiroth's head to him on the Master Sword without trouble. It's Sephiroth beating Cloud or Link beating Cloud that I have trouble seeing.

anyway, I expect to get up to around 25 after today. HELL YES!
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Link wouldn't do anything remotely close to handing Sephiroth his "head". Your looking at a close match no matter how you slice it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

And so much for Ryu/Jill being a three-point match.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Link wouldn't do anything remotely close to handing Sephiroth his "head". Your looking at a close match no matter how you slice it.

I'd pick Link with at 4% spread or more.

Also, is it impossible that Link gained from Soul Calibur 2 (GCN)? His badass pic is similar to that of SC2.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

I'd pick Link with at 4% spread or more.

Like hell, I wouldn't give Link anymore than 51% in that match at the most.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Also, is it impossible that Link gained from Soul Calibur 2 (GC)? His badass pic is similar to that of SC2.

Maybe a tiny bit, but I doubt that. I thought that maybe the sales from the Zelda Collector's Edition Gamecube bundle could help him a tiny bit, but it didn't seem to help the Zelda games in SC2K4.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Chaos Division: Round 2 - Match 48 – (7)Sam Fisher vs. (2)Samus Aran

Moltar’s Analysis

Sam - Snuk around the wrong corner this time…

Round 1 – vs. Gordon (Sam: 55.43% - Gordon: 44.57%)

GFNW. Gordon came close though, so Sam better watch it!

Samus - A better Bounty Hunter, or model?

Round 1 – vs. Lara (Samus: 82.39% - Lara: 17.61%)

Samus owned the junk out of Lara. She came out looking stronger than Cloud by miles.

Well, this match won’t need much of an analysis. Sam looks to have gotten weaker since last year, while Samus looks better than ever. Lara most likely took a huge fall, but hopefully her match with Sam will tell more about her strength now.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Samus will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sam 22% - Samus 78%



Ulti's Analysis

Excuse me.

Heh heh heh.

HA HA HA HA!!

AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Needing the morning vote to beat Gordon Freeman = instant loss. This match could turn out to be quite the joke, and could be the second female in a row that Samus will take down with ease.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Samus/Samus with 83.99%



Cena’s Analysis

This is just another day at the office for Samus. Sam Fisher is easily fodder for the Bounty Hunter, and I don't even feel bad saying it. Die, Splinter Cell, die!

Cena's Vote: Neither

Cena's Prediction: Samus with 75% (Shortest prediction I've done. Go me)

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sora vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Ryu (58/60)

Zelda Collection could please Zelda fans (like myself, though I don't have it), but it won't spread it around more to new audiences. Soul Calibur 2, on the other hand, could change people's opinions.

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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

So much for that massive XBox afternoon vote, huh? Sora's still going up. I think his performance is a result of him going up and Jill going down, but we'll have to wait and see what he does against Samus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Zelda Collection could please Zelda fans (like myself, though I don't have it), but it won't spread it around more to new audiences. Soul Calibur 2, on the other hand, could change people's opinions.

I know. But when that bundle sold around 1.5 to 2 milion in the U.S., I assumed that at least a few people hadn't played the Zelda games before. People who already had a Gamecube and liked Zelda could just register online to get the Collector's Edition.

And most people with a GCN probably bought SC2 because of the presence of Link.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This match could turn out to be quite the joke, and could be the second female in a row that Samus will take down with ease.

Poor Sam. >>>>>XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

SC2 sold well on GCN because GCN doesn't get many multi-platform games, and because it has very few fighters. Don't tell me it didn't introduce at least a third of its buyers to Link.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Don't tell me it didn't introduce at least a third of its buyers to Link.

...On a Nintendo system?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Oh yeah, and Samus WILL be pwnt by Cloud. I predict 57-43 at least.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Heh. Ulti's prediction would have Samus being strong enough to beat Cloud, with or without a Fisher drop.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

I suppose that is possible, but I think that Link's inclusion has a lot to do with the sales. It actually outsold the PS2 version, despite having a tiny install base in comparison.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oops, yeah, forgot bout SSBM for a second 0.o

Sorry 0_o
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

The main reason Soul Calibur 2 sold the most on the GCN was because of the inclusion of Link. The odds of people owning a GameCube and not knowing Link would be unlikely.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Heh. Ulti's prediction would have Samus being strong enough to beat Cloud, with or without a Fisher drop.

That would kick ass. =D

And I know you really agree with me deep down; don't waste your time denying it. ^_~
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I suppose that is possible, but I think that Link's inclusion has a lot to do with the sales. It actually outsold the PS2 version, despite having a tiny install base in comparison.

Again, fewer multiplatform games/fewer fighting games = less competition = greater sales.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Oh yeah, and Samus sucks.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Again, fewer multiplatform games/fewer fighting games = less competition = greater sales.

Then explain why the sales for most multiplatform games, even the very good ones, sell worst on Gamecube. The only logical explanation was the inclusion of Link, to me.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It would kick ass for the fact it, 1) Creates a big upset and 2) Stretches the Big 3 out to another possible winner.

As far as my preference goes, it sucks. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Like some other poster said; listening to the board has its pros and cons. I would not have been perfect this long should I have not listened to the board. (My gut told me Dk over Vivi). But, as the board helped me, the board hurt me as well. I had Sora winning the fourpack at first, but later changed it to Ryu. Oh well, once you get your first one wrong, you can have more fun with the contest as Ulti said.
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I'd expect the majority of GameCube owners have Super Smash Brothers Melee, or at least those who like fighting games. If they didn't know Link before (which I still think is unlikely), they were introduced to him then.
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Ahem, should say have at least played Super Smash Brothers Melee.

It's the definitive GameCube title, really.
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Yeah. Like I said, I was stupid enough to forget about SSBM. Sorry =\

But SC2 could have given him a boost, right?
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Very, very small if it did anything.
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It's possible, but I think it's hard to own a GameCube and not know who Link is. The SC2 cameo might have changed a few minds about him, but that's about it.
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The SC2 cameo might have changed a few minds about him, but that's about it.

it did change my mind about him...but not very much.
i would vote for him over a number of midcarders now, but i'll still be voting for mario, mega man and cloud.

that's probably about the most sc2 could do for him, really.
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Link didn't need much to beat Cloud last year...
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My little XS program is done. Now I just need to convert it to C++ so it's useful to the general public.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16368148

Ahem.

This been talked about?
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Zero did NOT underperform.

Before Zero vs. Tommy, everyone was expecting a much greater score for Zero than the XS predicted. This didn't happened, and he performed under expectation. That's underperforming, and while it's certainly not a bad thing, it also certainly means that Zero's not stronger than the XS predicted.

Like hell, I wouldn't give Link anymore than 51% in that match at the most.

But if Link is stronger than Cloud, he would be expected to do better than 51%, as Cloud managed 51% last year.

Zelda Collection could please Zelda fans (like myself, though I don't have it), but it won't spread it around more to new audiences.

Why wouldn't it spread to new audiences? It was shipping with every GCN sold for a while, during which time the GCN sold at least 2 million in America.

SC2 sold well on GCN because GCN doesn't get many multi-platform games, and because it has very few fighters. Don't tell me it didn't introduce at least a third of its buyers to Link.

Madden 2004 sold 20 times as many copies on PS2 as on GCN. SC2 sold better on GCN than on PS2. Now, you're telling me that Link wasn't the reason for the majority of those sales?

Yes, it has. Ngamer actually archived the post that CJayC made regarding that. Crono actually had about 3000 proxy votes in 2002, but only 400 (or was it 500?) were taken away because he did the bare minimum to give Mario the win.
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Where are the lists?

And the question is now: Will we be seeing any -2 brackets on the leaderboard tomorrow?...
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No, CJayC only took those away because they were all in a row, and while it's easy to take out a big group, taking away 2500 votes one at a time isn't very fun at all.

Before Zero vs. Tommy, everyone was expecting a much greater score for Zero than the XS predicted.

That was because everyone thought Vercetti had dropped after his first round match. Turns out that wasn't the case, and Max Payne has either gotten more popular or his strength was underestimated.
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But if Link is stronger than Cloud, he would be expected to do better than 51%, as Cloud managed 51% last year.

If anything, that means Link has more ground to make up to get that high. I wouldn't expect him to beat Cloud or Sephiroth by very much this year.
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Why wouldn't it spread to new audiences? It was shipping with every GCN sold for a while, during which time the GCN sold at least 2 million in America.

The thing is, it didn't appear to help the Zelda games in the Spring; why would it suddenly help Link now?
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Before Zero vs. Tommy, everyone was expecting a much greater score for Zero than the XS predicted. This didn't happened, and he performed under expectation. That's underperforming, and while it's certainly not a bad thing, it also certainly means that Zero's not stronger than the XS predicted.

Like mentioned earlier, this was due to people beliving Vercetti had taken a drop due to his performance of Max Payne. No one really thought Zero was stronger than he was last year, because the only thing he's had was Mega Man Zero 2 and Mega Man X7. As far as the X-sts go he performed right along with what they expected him too.
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If anything, that means Link has more ground to make up to get that high. I wouldn't expect him to beat Cloud or Sephiroth by very much this year.

Is it the general consensus that regardless of who wins that match, it will be closer than last years'?
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But if Link is stronger than Cloud, he would be expected to do better than 51%, as Cloud managed 51% last year.

That'd be assuming Link is stronger than Cloud, and I don't think he is.
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Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Is it the general consensus that regardless of who wins that match, it will be closer than last years'?

Pretty much. There's no reason for Cloud to win by more than last year.
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Is it the general consensus that regardless of who wins that match, it will be closer than last years'?

I hope so. Last year was boring.
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Of course, by that time Link won't be present in the finals.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

I believe Sephiroth can take down the champ.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
58/60/192 Next tough pick: Sora

Yeah, Crono's got a real shot at an upset, perhaps.
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I knew you would say that, HM. =P
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Pretty much. There's no reason for Cloud to win by more than last year.

Although you gotta admit, Cloud looks in great shape while Sephiroth does not so far.

Besides, didn't we theorize a few topics back that Cloud could just draw as many votes as he needed to stay on top of Sephiroth just by virtue of being the hero? I don't remember what led to this idea, but I remember quite a few people getting that vibe too.
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And Sora WINNING the afternoon vote? For the love of God, this is just too convincing to be a fluke.
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The Link vs. Ganondorf match kinda discouraged me on the whole "villain beating the hero" thing, but hopefully this won't apply to Sephiroth. After all, he has much more development than Ganondorf, and Cloud-haters will flock to him.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
58/60/192 Next tough pick: Sora

Well, the thing that may hurt Sephiroth is seemingly his inability to draw SFF. If he can't get it against Vivi, he definitely can't get it against Cloud.

You know, it's possible that Vyse increased from last year due to the release of Skies of Arcadia Legends on the GameCube. I know it got him my vote. That would make Cloud's performance all the more impressive.
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And Sora WINNING the afternoon vote? For the love of God, this is just too convincing to be a fluke.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16346050

Are you going to hold him to it? XD
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You know, it's possible that Vyse increased from last year due to the release of Skies of Arcadia Legends on the GameCube.

I wouldn't say it did to much considering it came out about half a year before the 2003 contest started.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Perhaps Hayabusa's lack of recognizability really is hurting him. I wouldn't doubt it.

A thought just occurred to me...We were just talking about the 3000 cheat votes Crono got against Mario in 2002, right? Only 500 of those were taken away, so that means 2500 were left in...What sort of impact would that have had on our 2002 extrapolateds? Also, how would they have changed if Cloud had won by as much as he had been projected to win by before PGC interference? I believe charmander said that he was on pace for 51-52% on Mario.
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Sora hits 61%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Sora 61% 33982
Ryu Hayabusa 39% 21727
TOTAL VOTES 55709

Where's that afternoon vote?!

Bah, I misread the date on the release of Legends. I thought it had been released at the beginning of this year, not last.
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The thing is, it didn't appear to help the Zelda games in the Spring; why would it suddenly help Link now?


Two Zelda games were in it that were in the SpC. Zelda 1 and Zelda 5. Now, let's look at these two. I'd certainly say that it was likely that the original helped, I mean, 75% against Tetris? Placing ahead of FFX in the SFF-adjusted XS? That's pretty phenomenal.

For OoT, you can't really tell. It was pretty much guaranteed to be the second strongest game in the contest, the only question was how it would do against CT and FFVII. It's entirely possible that it wouldn't have been nearly as close to FFVII without the CE.

It's entirely possible that it wouldn't have been nearly as close to FFVII without the CE.

That would just be scary....
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Final Fantasy 7 has always been ridiculously dominate at GameFAQs. When I came here in 1998 it was massive and still is in 2004.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

This entire website was made famous because of Kao Megura and Final Fantasy VII. Of course it's going to be popular here. That's like saying the Buckeyes are the most popular team in Columbus, Ohio.

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I've never argued otherwise. I have stated many, many times that Final Fantasy 7 would have lost maybe one or two "Best. Game. Ever." contests here if we took them prior to 2004.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

NOOOOOO!!

So close...to the leaderboard...no...this can't be happening...

:(
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

This entire website was made famous because of Kao Megura and Final Fantasy VII.

I was reading his guide recently, and if nothing else, he was thorough as hell...
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Well, there is evidence of that. In 2002, Cloud wasn't anywhere close to Link's level. In 2003, he beat him in a poll that had an insane vote total, and it's believed that there was quite a bit of cheating coming from both sides. FF7 wins the Spring Contest, just edging out CT and OoT, the two other favorites to win. And now, Cloud outperformed Link in Round 1, while Link either matched or outperformed Cloud in Round 2. It's going to be interesting.

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And now, Cloud outperformed Link in Round 1, while Link either matched or outperformed Cloud in Round 2. It's going to be interesting.

Actually Link outperformed Cloud in Round 1. Round 2 is probably harder to determine because it was an SFF match.
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In 2003, he beat him in a poll that had an insane vote total, and it's believed that there was quite a bit of cheating coming from both sides.

Despite the loss of the vote totals Cloud looks exactly like he did in 2003.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Did he? I'll go look over those numbers again.

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Despite the loss of the vote totals Cloud looks exactly like he did in 2003.

Yes. And Link and Samus look even better that the levels they were at. I wonder what it was. TRF?

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Link only outperformed Cloud by a little less than one percent. And for all we know, Samus's performance against Lara could be more from Lara dropping than Samus rising.
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Yes. And Link and Samus look even better that the levels they were at. I wonder what it was. TRF?

You can't accurately tell if Link is "better" than he was last year. He beat out someone like CATS by 1% greater than what was expected of him. The best way to tell if he has increased any is through a non-Nintendo character. Samus does look better, and so does Mega Man.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

And then the next round won't tell us anything, except how much SFF favors Link as opposed to Cloud. I feel sorry for Yoshi already. Mega Man looks stronger, yes. Samus looks MUCH stronger, and as usual, Sephiroth is a wild card that can't be overlooked. And thanks to these gimmick matches, it's gotten very hard to tell how these characters stack up.

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Haha, this kicks ass. Seeing Square give X-Box it's due, doing something Frog couldn't do. Sora, you're my hero this contest. Well, after Vivi.

This almost makes up for the fact that I got in my first car accident today. Almost.
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Mega Man looks stronger, yes. Samus looks MUCH stronger,

Both of them look like they're on the level of Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

You can't accurately tell if Link is "better" than he was last year. He beat out someone like CATS by 1% greater than what was expected of him.

Wasn't it 2% better than expected? I thought that he did 1% better than Cloud was expected to.

And let's not forget that Cloud vs. CATS predicted a Cloud victory in SC2k4. Doing well against fodder doesn't mean nothing.

There's not much of a chance of it happening, but a Mega Man/Samus championship would kick so much ass. My favorites bracket could make the leaderboard if that happened. XD

JP, you know who Ryu Hayabusa is, right? He's not someone you could classify as "X-Box," and then I don't see how being on the X-Box warrants hate, either.

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For my first post on GameFAQs using Firefox... lemme say that it's a shame that the classic mode is as screwed up as it is.

I've updated the BOP sheet to the end of the second round... as MMX so brilliantly put it, if Sam beats Samus I'm eating what's under the sink.

A few BOP stats, for kicks:

Top 5 most damaging matches
1. (6) Sora over (3) Ryu Hayabusa - 206
2. (12) Miles "Tails" Prower over (5) Viewtiful Joe - 111
3. (5) Yoshi over (4) Luigi Mario - 86
4. (6) Ness over (11) Jak - 61
5. (8) Tidus over (9) Shadow the Hedgehog - 60

Upsets by predictions
1. (6) Sora [16] over (3) Ryu Hayabusa [91]
2. (12) Miles "Tails" Prower [36] over (5) Viewtiful Joe [83]
3. (6) Ness [58] over Jak [61]
4. (8) Tidus [59] over Shadow the Hedgehog [60]

Top 5 point values eliminated after two rounds
15. (3) Ryu Hayabusa - 309
17. (4) Luigi Mario - 202
19. (3) Master Chief - 131
20. (5) Tommy Vercetti - 129
21. (3) Janus "Magus" Zeal -128

Bottom 5 point values remaining after two rounds
18. (6) Sora - 137
16. (5) Yoshi - 269
14. (4) Dante Sparda - 312
13. (4) Zero - 340
12. (3) Auron - 346
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I just thought the survey one user did in another topic was interesting, so I'm gonna post it here so it'll be archived with the stat topics. He went to a mall and surveyed 40 average people about the recognizability of several video game characters.

Credit to Chronton for this:

Link

5/40 - recognized Link as the main character of Zelda with no pic
15/40 - recognized him when I called him Zelda
13/40 - recognized him when I showed them an official pic
20/40 - recognized him from the Zelda series

Mario

38/40 - recognized Mario. No surprise. Actually I am that 2 people didn't know who he was but one guy was really old (the 62 year old).
39/40 - recognized Mario with his pic. The one guy who didn't know who he was recognized him after the pic calling him the guy from that mushroom game.
39/40 - recognized him from the Mario series

Samus

7/40 - recognized Samus from Metroid with no pic
11/40 - recognized Samus when I showed them a pic. (Most of them called her a "he" as in "he looks cool")
9/40 - recognized Samus from the Metroid series

Cloud

13/40 - recognized Cloud from Final Fantasy VII with no pic
31/40 - recognized Cloud when I showed them his official pic. Now this is one of the biggest surprises in my poll by far. 31 people said they recognized him from "that popular game". One guy who was about 40ish said "I remember my son used to play that game and I saw him. You can't forget the overly massive sword." One hot chick said "I've seen a lot of pictures of him so he must be big right? I just never knew his
name". (She refused my date proposal by the way)
24/40 - recognized him from either Final Fantasy VII or the Final Fantasy series.

Sephiroth

14/40 - recognized Sephiroth from Final Fantasy VII with no pic. He beat Cloud by 1 in that category.
20/40 - recognized Sephiroth when I showed them an official pic. This of course again, was a huge surprise. Cloud gets instant recognition with his pic while Sephiroth doesn't. For the people who didn't recognize him, their general reply was the same: "that dude looks cool". One girl said he looked kind of like a girl himself and her friend laughed at that saying she thought he was sexy.
19/40 - recognized Sephiroth from either Final Fantasy VII or the Final Fantasy series.

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Pac-Man

35/40 - recognized Pac-Man with no pic
36/40 - recognized Pac-Man when I showed them the pic. That one hot chick said "Aww... He's so cute...."
36/40 - recognized him from the Pac-Man series. The one guy who got his picture right still didn't know what the name of the game was although he knew the character's name. What a moron.

Master Chief

8/40 -recognized who Master Chief was as a character and not just some "Master Chief".
24/40 - recognized Master Chief when I showed them his picture. One guy said "I want that dude's armor". Don't we all?
21/40 - recognized Master Chief from the game Halo.

Mega Man

21/40 - recognized Mega Man. One guy said "Of course I know who Mega Man is. What kind of question is that? Is that even allowed?". What a jerk...I told him I was only doing my job.
26/40 - recognized his picture and some called him "Robot Dude" but they know who he was to say the least.
26/40 - recognized Mega Man from the Mega Man series. Interestingly enough, everyone who recognized him from the pic knew exactly what game series he was from.

Snake

16/40 - recognized Snake or Solid Snake. One guy started giving me a little lecture about just how he's the greatest video game character ever conceived.
17/40 - only one guy who didn't recognize the name recognized him after his pic was shown. He said he remembered him from Metal Gear but forgot his name.
16/40 - recognized Snake from the Metal Gear series. One guy knew his name but didn't know which game(s) he came from.

Sonic

32/40 - recognized Sonic. One guy in front of his girlfriend started to sing the old cartoon Sonic song (Who's that, streaking by...). Good thing she shut him up before I did.
34/40 - recognized Sonic when his picture was shown. Again, one guy who didn't know his name remembered it only after I showed him the pic.
33/40 - nearly everyone who knew him knew what game series he came from.

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Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Wasn't it 2% better than expected? I thought that he did 1% better than Cloud was expected to.

Link did 0.95% better than what he was projected too and 0.92% better than what he was expected to on Cloud. Given how fodder, such as CATS, can flucutate doesn't exactly boast huge things for Link.

And let's not forget that Cloud vs. CATS predicted a Cloud victory in SC2k4. Doing well against fodder doesn't mean nothing.

It all "could" happen, but like I said there's no way to tell until he faces Crono in the Elite 8 and if not then, Mega Man in the final four.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Wasn't it 2% better than expected? I thought that he did 1% better than Cloud was expected to.

He did 1.35% better than he was expected to do. He did 0.92% better than Cloud was expected to.
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JP, you know who Ryu Hayabusa is, right? He's not someone you could classify as "X-Box,"

On the other hand, a NES and SNES alone Ryu would be destroyed here. I would put him at about the same level as Earthworm Jim. I'd say no more then 10% of Ryu's votes come from the NES games, but then again who knows.

and then I don't see how being on the X-Box warrants hate, either.

X-Box fanboys piss me off so badly. More so friends in real life then here, many of whom are so ignorant in terms of quality gaming and graphics and the like that I want to shoot them. Watching my good buddy Sora beat one of their beloved X-Box characters makes me happy (even if most of them don't know about the contest, I don't care).
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My mistake, I think I was hitting the division key on the calculator. It's 1.35% better than he was projected too.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

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Leonhart, that was the most interesting information I've ever seen posted on this board. No surprise who would win a Yahoo/Google contest. I wonder what those numbers would be for other competitors....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Then he asked the participants who their favorite character was out of all those polled:

Link - 4/40
Mario - 11/40 The favorite out of all. No surprise really.
Samus - 0/40 The only one to not be chosen as the favorite out of anyone.
Cloud - 3/40
Sephiroth - 6/40 "Because he looks cool" most said.
Pac - Man - 2/40 The old geezer picked him as did the hot chick who said he looked cute.
Master Chief - 4/40 The guy who liked his armor obvious picked him. Again, the ones who picked him: "Because he looks sweet".
Mega Man - 6/40 Most of the younger guys picked him surprisingly.
Snake - 1/40 Very very surprising.
Sonic - 3/40 Also a little surprising.

Heh, even though Link only had 5 people recognize him right off the bat, 4 people still chose him as their favorite. Dunno if they were the same who knew him immediately or not though.
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It's a bit surprising that hardly anyone recognizes Link, especially after OoT. Or that people are stupid enough to think that he is "Zelda."
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JP, I asked how being on the X-Box warrants hate, not whether their fans deserve hate.

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Heh, I thought that was interesting that 15 out of the 40 "recognized" Link when he called him Zelda.
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Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Which is absolutely ridiculous, to honest. What kind of idiot thinks that Link is Zelda? I can understand when you are a little kid, but most older kids should know that Zelda is a girl's name. =/
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Mega Man ties for second on the "favorites" and fourth overall. The two most surprising things from that are more people recognizing Cloud's picture over Mega Man's and the lack of recognition for Link.
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Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

JP, I asked how being on the X-Box warrants hate, not whether their fans deserve hate.

There is no reason to hate an object. It is only an object. Unless it fell on my dog and crushed her or something, I would have no reason to hate an object.

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I wonder how the results would have changed on picture recognition if he had shown both Ocarina of Time and Wind Waker Link.
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Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I'll rank the characters from Chronton's study, just for kicks and visual effect.

NAME RECOGNITION
1. Mario - 38
2. Pac-Man - 35
3. Sonic - 32
4. Megaman - 21
5. Snake - 16
6. Sephiroth - 14
7. Cloud - 13
8. Master Chief - 8
9. Samus - 7
10. Link - 5

PICTURE RECOGNITION
1. Mario - 39
2. Pac-Man - 36
3. Sonic - 34
4. Cloud - 31
5. Megaman - 26
6. Master Chief - 24
7. Sephiroth - 20
8. Snake - 17
9. Link - 13
10. Samus - 11

GAME RECOGNITION
1. Mario - 39
2. Pac-Man - 36
3. Sonic - 33
4. Megaman - 26
5. Cloud - 24
6. Master Chief - 21
7. Link - 20
8. Sephiroth - 19
9. Snake - 16
10. Samus - 9

OVERALL
1. Mario
2. Pac-Man
3. Sonic
4. Megaman
5. Cloud
6. Master Chief
7. Sephiroth
8. Snake
9. Link
10. Samus

Yowza, looks like outside of Mario Nintendo has serious recognition issues. I wouldn't have expected that, since many people call game consoles, no matter who they're from, a "Nintendo".
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And to add this here...

Favorite Overall Character

Mario - 11/40
Sephiroth - 6/40
Mega Man - 6/40
Link - 4/40
Master Chief - 4/40
Sonic - 3/40
Cloud - 3/40
Pac - Man - 2/40
Snake - 1/40
Samus - 0/40

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

heh, i would have loved to see the resuls in Chronton's study for Chrono. i wonder how many people would have recognized him as "that Dragon Ball Z guy." i'd bet it would be as much as or even more than those who would recognize him as Chrono.


Like some other poster said; listening to the board has its pros and cons. I would not have been perfect this long should I have not listened to the board. (My gut told me Dk over Vivi). But, as the board helped me, the board hurt me as well. I had Sora winning the fourpack at first, but later changed it to Ryu. Oh well, once you get your first one wrong, you can have more fun with the contest as Ulti said.

for the record, Tijan just confirmed that we will not see a perfect bracket this year, unless by some huge miracle Sephiroth wins it all.



So much for that massive XBox afternoon vote, huh? Sora's still going up. I think his performance is a result of him going up and Jill going down, but we'll have to wait and see what he does against Samus.

my thoughts, exactly, Leonhart. i tried to argue several topics ago (before Jill vs. Ryu H.) that Jill most likely decreased some from last year, while Sora went up. i'm guessing that Sora will wind up closer to the level of Yoshi and Alucard than Bowser and Squall. but even that is still better than i expected him to do.



As for Luigi, he's definitely last 16 material given the right four-pack. It's just a question of finding a legitimate three or four seed that he could beat, and there's not too many of those about. Maybe if he's given something like Master Chief, Conker and Max Payne...


i forget who said this last topic, but after losing to Yoshi, Luigi proved that he's not a Sweet-16 contender. Yoshi isn't exactly a powerhouse, and that was after Luigi had a new game that would supposedly boost his popularity. Luigi is only a low mid-carder who barely deserves to make it to the second round. he was 30th in the X-stats last year, and comparitively, he's probably in the lower half now with Vivi, Frog, Liquid Snake, and maybe even Sora all looking to pass him.





That adds a few matches to the list of matches I want to see.

Luigi vs. Hayabusa, Sora vs. Bowser, and now I want a Kirby/Jill rematch even badder.

i can't wait to see how our ideas for a Summer2K5 bracket compare, Slowflake. ^_^

a Luigi/Hayabusa and Sora/Bowser could be interesting depending on how well Sora does next round and if Samus has increased significantly. otherwise, those two matches would be as predictable to us as Ganondorf vs. Alucard. we'll see. but Kirby/Jill? Kirby got 55% on Squall this year, while Jill only got 40% against him last year. and Jill seems to be spiraling lower in contest strength. that rematch seems painfully obvious. maybe it would cause a little chaos on the rest of the board, though.


We still have characters like Serge who people want to see in but just haven't gotten the chance yet. Serge could be very, very dangerous if he got in. He'd be underestimated far, far more than even Vivi and could very well be just as shocking.

Serge a semi-powerhouse, Chichiri Muyo? doubtful. Chrono Cross isn't nearly as worshipped around here as Chrono Trigger. he completely lacked personality and character development. plus, he lacks the Goku image that Crono has. i seriously doubt he would do even as well as Ramza did. although i definitely agree with you that there are more new characters out there with contest potential. Serge just ain't one of 'em.

*phew* i had a lot to say today.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Yowza, looks like outside of Mario Nintendo has serious recognition issues. I wouldn't have expected that, since many people call game consoles, no matter who they're from, a "Nintendo".

Maybe Nintendo needs to work on that >_>.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Why doesn't anybody include Crono in these public polls?

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

Those results are interesting, but impertinent. The idea for that survey was offerened in a topic a couple days back, asking if Cloud was a "gaming icon." We decided he wasn't, but we were interested in the idea of going to the mall and asking around, doing a recognizability test.

However, they mean nothing here. How many of those people visit GameFAQs?

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

How many of them know that GameFAQs exists? O_o
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'd say 1 or 2 out of 40 if you were next to an Electronics Boutique or something.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

That test was mostly among non-gamers or very casual ones. A very interesting little test to say the least.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Dood everyone calls Link Zelda. I dunno if you guys were social outcasts as kids but the concept of having a main character whom the game is not named after was difficult to grasp. I don't remember anyone who used to call him Link, except maybe one annoying kid that would get irritated if you called him Zelda and correct you. That survey seems pretty accurate to me. The only thing I find surprising is the huge recognition of the FF7 characters. It goes to show you how big that game really was.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

You should have included Squall and Tidus. It would have been interesting to compare their results to Cloud and Sephiroth.

Sora has nearly passed what Aeris would be expected to get on Hayabusa. *faints*

Oh, and I've created a C++ program that can evaluate several different scenarios dealing with the XS. I want to implement a couple more things, so if anyone wants to try it, let me know.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Dood everyone calls Link Zelda.

"Dude"

And I never called him Zelda because I was smart enough to glance at the instruction manual just to read the little background story...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

in soviet russia mumei = everyone, right?
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Well, it's really 20 for Link as far as "name" recognition is concerned. Just 15 of those 20 called him Zelda.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I didn't read too many instruction manuals when I was 5 years old...
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in soviet russia mumei = everyone, right?

Heh. I know, I know. But it doesn't make any sense at all to call him Zelda unless you are in the 5 to 10 year old range.

I didn't read too many instruction manuals when I was 5 years old...

Well my first Zelda was OoT in '98, so I was 12 years old. I didn't go back and play ALttP or any of the others until later.


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, the guy is considering doing another survey with about 10 more characters. This is very interesting stuff.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Sample output from my program thus far...

Select a scenario:
1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. C vs A
1
C's name? CATS
B's name? Link
CATS would get 13.52 on Link
Link would beat CATS with 86.48
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 12.17

Link is overperforming by 1.35%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If CATS stayed constant,
Link changes to 55.5464% on Link,
a difference of 5.54643

Alternately, if Link stayed constant,
CATS changes to 12.17% on Link,
a difference of -1.35

Press any key to continue . . .
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

GO SORA!

:-)
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Heh, with the current results:

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
1
C's name? Jill
B's name? Sora
Jill would get 57.9982 on Sora
Sora would beat Jill with 42.0018
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 38.73

Sora is overperforming by 19.2682%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If Jill stayed constant,
Sora changes to 32.7653% on Link,
a difference of 10.8853

Alternately, if Sora stayed constant,
Jill changes to 16.9482% on Link,
a difference of -8.43175

Press any key to continue . . .
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

*presses key*

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

But it doesn't make any sense at all to call him Zelda unless you are in the 5 to 10 year old range.

It does if you've only heard of the game but never checked it out, which I have a feeling few of these people have.

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

My room-mate fits the "Link = Zelda" category.

I'd love it if they asked what they first think of when they hear Nintendo, Square, Sega, Capcom, and another company or two...or at least asked if they recognized the names of them. That'd be able to let us know how heavy a gamer these people are.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

After Nintendo, the other ones would be unknown.

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

Many people would recognize Sega, maybe even older people more than young people.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

heh, i would have loved to see the resuls in Chronton's study for Chrono. i wonder how many people would have recognized him as "that Dragon Ball Z guy." i'd bet it would be as much as or even more than those who would recognize him as Chrono.

I know, some people on the board can't even leave out the H in his name.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

I just thought of something scary....

Assuming Sora is this year's Squall...

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1354

Of course Samus would have to have had no increase for Sora to get those numbers, we might finally get a legit answer as to how much Samus has increased since last year...
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Sora vs. Ryu - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Ryu (58/60)

Well, you've also got to take another plunge by Jill into consideration. Sora going from dead even with Aeris to getting doubled due to SFF doesn't sit well with me.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Yes! I am so happy Sora stayed strong, and heroic mario, you are no longer spared talk of jill dropping!!!

lol, jk, but I feel to an extent it was warrented : )

And this is very nice for Sora, I hope he pulls good numbers against Samus.

Oh, and please, we've never allowed picture factor to ever, ever be seriously considered, so you (in general) can just throw that out the window. Just because frog wasn't as hot as thought and now neither was ryu, doesnt' mean the board needs to make up excuses for them...ok so we haven't been, but I just needed to add that regardless.
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I feel so sorry for Heroic Mario... ;_;
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

I agree with everything creativename said about why Ryu is losing so badly. I really doubt Sora is THAT popular...he'd never beat Squall. It's also hard to imagine Sora getting anywhere near 40% on Samus, when he could only get 33% on Aeris. o_O

But...wow, I guess I'm not as surprised at the results as the rest of you are. (in fact, I made a last minute to change to Sora winning in the Oracle challenge...) I personally found DK vs. Vivi to be much more surprising. I think this upset is more comparable to Bowser over Yoshi. This upset would've been hard to imagine before the contest, but it wasn't without its warnings.

I feel bad for those guys like Heroic Mario who missed VJoe vs. Tails, a day short of making the leaderboard, and then missing Ryu H vs. Sora, a day short of missing the leaderboard AGAIN (most likely).

Oh, and would anybody mind making a list of same fanbase matches that likely had no SFF? That'd be interesting to see.

RPGuy: Very cool program...I wouldn't mind taking a look at it.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I feel bad for those guys like Heroic Mario who missed VJoe vs. Tails, a day short of making the leaderboard, and then missing Ryu H vs. Sora, a day short of missing the leaderboard AGAIN (most likely).

I JUST cracked leaderboard for the first time, and I am here to stay. Believe it.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

I would kill to see Samus Aran defeat Cloud/Sephiroth this year. If you go by last years stats, her performance against Lara says she has a definite chance of that happening. That would make the day of a Metroid/Samus fan such as myself. >:)

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

hmm I wouldn't say this is like bowser/yoshi, because we even had statistics to say that Sora really wasn't going to win, unless there was improbable square sff. cheh, and bowser got lucky, duh. Yoshi owns his sorry soul...in my head at least.
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I really doubt Sora is THAT popular...he'd never beat Squall.

Of course not. Squall would get a hefty amount of SFF on Sora as well, I'd imagine.

However, let's reserve judgement on Sora's status until we see what he can do against Samus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I would kill to see Samus Aran defeat Cloud/Sephiroth this year. If you go by last years stats, her performance against Lara says she has a definite chance of that happening. That would make the day of a Metroid/Samus fan such as myself. >:)

*sigh*

I can't wait until later tonight (well tomorrow morning) to see Samus's match....

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, unless Samus does exactly as she's supposed to against Sam Fisher or she does something amazing like 85%, tomorrow's match won't tell us much. We don't know how much of Sam's underperformance was him and how much was Gordon. Same with Lara against Samus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

All things considered, let's take a look at Sora/Ryu/Jill, our "Bang Fang Triangle"...

Sora is... a Square character. He is from Kingdom Hearts, one of the top 16 games on this site. The MAIN character from one of the most popular games on this site. If we ignored the stats, seriously, who would you pick - Sora or Jill? I'd be very surprised if you picked Jill. ESPECIALLY considering Resident Evil's performance in Spring vs Kingdom Hearts' spring performance. Also, just by virtue of being the main character of a very recent Square RPG seems to be reason enough to pick Sora...

Not to mention that he appeals to different audiences, being a Disney character as well.

*** I didn't intend to sound elitist if I did.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

I know, but I'm hoping she does something impressive - along the lines of 79 - 81%.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I hate how the bracket is stacked so that you can't tell ANYTHiNG until the Sweet Sixteen matches...
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

Heh, the only one we can really be certain about at this point is the upper half of the Chaos Division. That has pretty much gone according to formula (Tails vs. Joe notwithstanding due to lack of stats).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

How the heck would the stats give anyone the impression that Samus could beat Cloud or Sephiroth?

...hmm...I might be the first reviewer to give Fable a six...I'm really not impressed so far...Morrowind and especially KOTOR were waaay better. I'm over five hours into the game and I'm just not getting into it.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 58/60, Next Winner: Dante

What's the name of Fable's hero?

He'll probably be in the next Summer contest.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

Because Lara would be expected to get 22.85% on Cloud, and she only got 17.61% on Samus. Eh, even if it is mostly Ms. Croft dropping, it adds some excitement to the contest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Still, ranking 39th last year and having your game trail against Soul Calibur (and the original, at that) doesn't exactly bode well for your chances.

Perhaps Soul Calibur just IS that strong though... I feel like ass for giving KH a 10-seed on my bracket, AND a really tough first round draw (MGS2).
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

Because Lara would be expected to get 22.85% on Cloud, and she only got 17.61% on Samus. Eh, even if it is mostly Ms. Croft dropping, it adds some excitement to the contest.

And if it were all Samus (and I know it isn't), Samus would be able to get 64% on Cloud.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

What's the name of Fable's hero?

If he has a name, I haven't caught it yet.
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 58/60, Next Winner: Dante

Soul Calibur has always been a strong franchise, I pity those deprived enough to be unfamiliar with it, and SC2 may be one possible reason for a Link increase if we see one.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

And if it were all Samus (and I know it isn't), Samus would be able to get 64% on Cloud.

SFF for TJF. Samus WON'T beat Cloud...

Well... I guess I can let you speculate, but come the day, I won't be disappointed in the least.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

SFF for TJF? WTF?

TOO MANY ACRONYMS

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

SC2 may be one possible reason for a Link increase if we see one.

Remember how we were throwing the idea around before Link vs. Cloud? Geesh, SC2 sure helped Link on that one.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

Soul Calibur has always been a strong franchise, I pity those deprived enough to be unfamiliar with it, and SC2 may be one possible reason for a Link increase if we see one.

DEJA VU'ED
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

No I don't. Though I've been active on this board since it was created, I didn't take part in the contest discussion topics till last Spring.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

I was reading those old topics, and hadn't SCII only come out very, very recently when that match took place? I thought that games had to have time to settle in before having any effect.

That said, I don't expect anything out of SCII.. It's just that I don't think it made even less sense to expect it for the first Link vs. Cloud.
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

i do realise this has nothing to do with the summer contest or the conversation going on right now but I've got a question about the spring contest. Do you think that Secret of Mana got a little SFF when it faced CT? That's what I would like to believe, because SoM is my favorite SNES (slightly ahead of LTTP, SMRPG, and Star Fox).
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It came out within a week or two of Link-Cloud. I didn't expect too much out of it at the time myself, and I still don't.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

One or two weeks is the perfect time, actually. Remember how Wind Waker was so much more popular than LttP on a PotD right after release, then a few months later LttP beat the crap out of it?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/060 - Matches: 44/46 - Rank: 00074/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Samus

But to have an effect on a character, I think it would take a bit more time to settle in. Maybe not, though. It doesn't really matter either way though...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh well, once you get your first one wrong, you can have more fun with the contest as Ulti said.

And once you win a contest, you can stop rooting against your favorites for the sake of your bracket.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I made the leaderboard late last year, and that's good enough for me. Being one of the few to have a perfect Final Four and StarCraft winning a couple matches, and then rubbing it in the face of Heroic Mario, was satisfying. :)

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From: Slowflake | Posted: 9/17/2004 7:13:49 PM | Message Detail
For my first post on GameFAQs using Firefox... lemme say that it's a shame that the classic mode is as screwed up as it is.

Use 800 Pixels. I'm serious.
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I'd use 800 pixels but my eyes are too sensitive. They hurt after just 15 minutes. They should make a color changing option.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

I use New 1000....
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Everyone go listen to Iron Maiden - The Thin Line Between Love And Hate. Why? Because I said so. If you need a more practical reason, it's because this is a ****ing great song.

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I am Lucid Faia.

I'm shocked that Sora actually gained during the day. I would figure the teenage vote coming home from school would go to Ryu due to it being almost as cool to hate Disney as it is to hate Pokemon. With these numbers, and KH2 coming out next year, Sora could probably take on Bowser or SF Ryu and have a good shot at winning.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

That would hold water if those kids even knew who Ryu was. That picture isn't helping them any.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Sora's winning the night vote, too. He's been in complete control of this poll since the beginning.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Samus/Lara output:
1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
1
C's name? LaraCroft
B's name? Samus
LaraCroft would get 30.1133 on Samus
Samus would beat LaraCroft with 69.8867
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 17.61

Samus is overperforming by 12.5033%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If LaraCroft stayed constant,
Samus changes to 64.8779% on Link,
a difference of 26.9379

Alternately, if Samus stayed constant,
LaraCroft changes to 13.3625% on Link,
a difference of -9.48753

Press any key to continue . . .

And Samus/Sam expected values:

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
1
C's name? SamFisher
B's name? Samus
SamFisher would get 31.0622 on Samus
Samus would beat SamFisher with 68.9378
Compare to an actual value? y/n:n
Press any key to continue . . .
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Interesting.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

We don't know how much of Sam's underperformance was him and how much was Gordon. Same with Lara against Samus.

I did some work with that and came up with something like 77-83% is where Samus could rest and potentially beat Cloud. It allows for Sam to decrease compleletly, Freeman to increase completely, or a mixture of both.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

For the Soul Calibur 2 talk, I really cannot see it having much of an affect. I'd put more behind the Zelda: Collector's Edition more than I would Soul Calibur 2. Besides, both really don't strike me as something that would give Link any noticeable increase.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

I did some work with that and came up with something like 77-83% is where Samus could rest and potentially beat Cloud.

All right...So if Samus breaks 80% again, we should start sounding the upset alert.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

If Samus breaks 80% again, we should fear for the final score of the winner. I don't remember ever seeing a Samus winner in the top 50.
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I do, but it was much earlier.
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Honestly, if Samus does break 77% on Sam (as HM calculated it), I would fully support her to take down Cloud/Sephiroth and possibly win the tournament. After playing through the Metroid games this summer, I've now come to realize just how kickass she really is.

That, and it would be nice if a female character could actually win one of these things.
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That, and it would be nice if a female character could actually win one of these things.

What, Link, Cloud, or Sephiroth aren't good enough? ;)
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If Cloud can win against Link with his crossdressing pic, then I will agree. :P
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If she gets anything above 75% she'll be a force to be reckoned with, considering that it's more likely for GF to rise than SF to fall. Why? Because everybody else in Seph's 8 pack is doing better than expected, so GF should too.
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Heh, but they only overperformed by about 3% or so. Gordon Freeman pulled nearly a 10% swing against Sam Fisher.
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I just spotted Mega Man on the Real World:Philly.
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Samus has always been a force to be reckoned with.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Samus has always been a force to be reckoned with.

I meant against Clinkeroth.

Oh, and:

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
3
C's name? Jill
B's name? Sora
Jill's % on Sora? 38.32
Sora would be expected to get 33.1159 on Link.
1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
1
C's name? Jill
B's name? Aeris
Jill would get 38.6772 on Aeris
Aeris would beat Jill with 61.3228
Compare to an actual value? y/n:n
1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
1
C's name? Jill
B's name? Zero
Jill would get 38.2114 on Zero
Zero would beat Jill with 61.7886
Compare to an actual value? y/n:

Sora pushes past Aeris and approaches Zero...
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With these numbers, and KH2 coming out next year, Sora could probably take on Bowser or SF Ryu and have a good shot at winning.

KH2 isn't necessary; with these numbers, Sora could probably do that tomorrow if he faced Bowser or Ryu then.

I'd put more behind the Zelda: Collector's Edition more than I would Soul Calibur 2. Besides, both really don't strike me as something that would give Link any noticeable increase.

HM, for all the weight you put on MMAC, you turn around and say that LoZ:CE...a game that came PACKAGED with the Gamecube...won't likely make any increase, wow. Come on, HM, that's hypocrisy at its finest.
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There is no logic to this. Ok, Sora beats Ryu, I can almost understand this, but 61-39? How could Sora be this strong? I've played KH, and Sora was annoying throughout the game. When Goofy is cooler then you, you know you got problems. KH couldn't even force SC to call in the Korierrs in the Spring Contest. And yet, Sora is a top tier character. This is like 30% SFF in a match were I expected him to be on the benifiting end of SFF, and no other character has shown any real boost from hype about a game, so how did Sora increase this much?

Sora increased because of the SIAGWAIIF.

Starring In A Game With Auron In It Factor.
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Sora = Zero > Aeris...does not compute...
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well, many people seem to not like crono and he does pretty well for himself, its more that there's only sora, not that its just sora, I nominated riku instead of him, i think I may have nomintated ansem as well, but if that's all there is from kh, then he's going to get the votes. And sff against aeris does make sense, perhaps not to this degree, but its still there.
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Are you insinuating that Goofy isn't cool? >:(

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I am Lucid Faia.

"There is no logic to this. Ok, Sora beats Ryu, I can almost understand this, but 61-39? How could Sora be this strong?"

Ryu is over-seeded and has way too high expectations. Many psots on that already.

"I've played KH, and Sora was annoying throughout the game. When Goofy is cooler then you, you know you got problems."

This is a problem I agree with you on at first, but I guess the answer may be that when I recall my memories of KH, though I remember childish-Disney cut scenes and such, Sora's annoying side remains only slightly in my memory. What I do remember is that KH was a very decent game, somewhat original, graphically competent, above average in terms of a 3Dbattle style(when many other games like this suck balls) etc. I guess for whatever reason or another, Sora's annoying side would still be on my mind had it not been 2?(guessing, someone plz confirm) years since KH has been out. In short, at least for me, when I think Sora, I think KH, and I have fond, not annoying memories. I expect at least a few other poll goers who merely quickly glance at the poll, not think about every thought within the game, to have similar feelings.

And yet, Sora is a top tier character. This is like 30% SFF in a match were I expected him to be on the benifiting end of SFF, and no other character has shown any real boost from hype about a game, so how did Sora increase this much?

Even with this result, I doubt anyone will still consider him a top-tier/just under the Noble Nine character. He won a weak(weak as in not having an overriding favorite, the only other ones who even come close are Frog/MC and Yoshi) four-pack(arguably one of the weakest). We'll see if you're right with the Samus matchup.

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Judging by current results, Sora would have to be indirectly more popular than Aeris, yet lose almost 20% due to SFF against her.

Oh, and something new in my program:


1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
3
C's name? DonkeyKong
B's name? Vivi
DonkeyKong's % on Vivi? 43.53
Vivi would be expected to get 29.1064 on Link.

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
4
What would you like to do with the XS?
1. Add entry
2. Change entry
3. Delete entry
1
Name of new entry? Vivi
Expected % on Link? 29.11

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
1
C's name? Vivi
B's name? Sephiroth
Vivi would get 29.2798 on Sephiroth
Sephiroth would beat Vivi with 70.7202
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 29.75

Vivi is overperforming by 0.470177%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If Vivi stayed constant,
Sephiroth changes to 48.9244% on Link,
a difference of -0.78563

Alternately, if Sephiroth stayed constant,
Vivi changes to 29.5774% on Link,
a difference of 0.46745

The XS are stored in a .dat file, so the program reads and writes to it each time it accesses it, and it can also add new values, like Vivi's.
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Sora increased because of the SIAGWAIIF.

Just ask Yuna!

Also, the only thing that's keeping me from calling reverse-SFF is the possibility of Jill dropping. She probably did, too, but we don't know how much since Sora's kicking some unexpected ass.
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Goofy is not cool. He sucks in that game for a variety of reasons that I choose not to get into. If anything, Donald is the cool one. His magic owns, and he doesn't constantly run around in circles bashing enemies with a ****ing shield.

Seriously, a shield as a weapon? That's as dumb an idea as enlarging your car keys and using it as a weap--

Wait a moment...
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Goofy is not only cooler than Donald in reality (I mean, Scrooge is cooler than Donald, for crying out loud), he's more useful in KH. Donald's only decent purpose is to be a backup healer for the party.
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HM, for all the weight you put on MMAC, you turn around and say that LoZ:CE...a game that came PACKAGED with the Gamecube...won't likely make any increase, wow. Come on, HM, that's hypocrisy at its finest.

Especially considering sales; around 1.5 to 2 million people probably bought that bundle. Only about 200,000 - 250,000 people have bought MMAC. Or maybe it has hit 300,000 by now...
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Well, when I think of Goofy being cool, I'm referring to those old Disney cartoons I used to watch a long time ago... >_>

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That is not Donald's only purpose. His magic owns, and he uses it very well.
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Maybe yours does, Ulti, but I just can't seem to get Donald to use it wisely. He either hoards it zealously, or drains it all after one set of battles.
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Same for me. If I wanted to use magic effectively, I would have Sora do that instead of Donald. I just set up Donald as my weaker melee assistant.

That is true.

But also, you must realize that I detest the ideas of help in the form of guests in a battle system that relies on field action, a la Zelda-style battles. Sora by himself would have made for a much more entertaining game.

And isn't it funny how when a Square character pulls an upset like this, few seem to really mind? Not counting Squall vs Luigi, of course.
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We mind. We mind plenty. But there's no sense moaning about it after the initial shock. Sora's never ever getting my vote again, though. Even against Crono.
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Poll is up. Holy HELL.
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Sam Fisher 0% 0
Samus Aran 100% 19
TOTAL VOTES 19

that's just great right there. 19 at least, straight votes.
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Samus will come down. She has to...

Doesn't she?

Samus got the first TWENTY-SEVEN votes!
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that's just great right there. 19 at least, straight votes.

21 straight at my vote. ^.^

This is ****ing awesome. =D
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sam Fisher gets no respect...I was his 5th voter.
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Sora has killed my bracket. Sayonara, Shinobi.

XD, that's great
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Sam Fisher 3.57% 1
Samus Aran 96.43% 27
TOTAL VOTES 28

I'm sorry. Mine was the first vote for Sam. >_>
Please don't kill me. ;_;
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T H E . T R U T H . I S . O U T . T H E R E .
T R U S T . N O . O N E .

39.06% sided with the Keybearer in this one, which makes me feel a little better. And my eyes burn from the front page with the first of a thousand Angry Suns. Sam's trying to stay hidden in the darkness for the match, but it looks like Samus will have none of that.
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Now we need to wait and see where the stabalization point is.

Who gets the day vote in this match anyway?

I lost some 80 positions...now I cry.

Oh well, at least Samus is dominating at an unbelievable level...if I can't get onto the leaderboard, at least I can hope Samus will ruin everyone's brackets a few rounds down the line. :)
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Even though Sora's percent was pretty good for the match it's obvious by the huge drop off on the top 50 that almost all the major people had Ryu H winning.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 56/62 Next Pick: Samus Aran

The day vote goes to Samus. That means all of this is before the day vote. O_o;;
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yup, which means that the major people were wrong : ), lol *had Sora*

yay!
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Sora was definitely the bracket favorite. And yet... good god look at the carnage on the leaderboard! There will not be a perfect, and methinks there is little chance of seeing a 190... but only time will tell.
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82.4 seems to be the stable point for the last few minutes.

What the hell is going on...

Samus has declared that she has a serios and absolute interest in being the Summer Contest Queen.
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If the poll doesn't change, we have a new favorite to win it all here
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I will say it right now. If Samus breaks 80, it will be a Link vs Samus final.

I think anyone who has Sonic going to the final four should give up on that now. O_o;;
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Okay. Not only has Samus stop dropping. She has gained a percentage point in the last three minutes.

I thought Samus would get 45% on Cloud before Lara got assualted by Samus. I officially said it afterwards. If Sam gets beaten the same way Lara does, or especially worse, Cloud loses. Period.
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imagine if the samus/megaman final does come true . . .
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*orgasms*
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With all this talk about Samus beating Cloud/Sephiroth, if she does, could she beat Link?

Now, of course people are going to say "No, duh." but I'm wondering if Link might hit Samus with a good amount of SFF in that battle. They may not befrom the same game, but they come from the same company, and I think Link's higher in the Nintendo pecking order. >>

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The only way I'll consider Samus the favourite against Miss Cloud/Sephy-chan is if she can match Cloud's performance against Sonic. Until then, it's just wishful thinking.
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No one minds that Sora won because it ruined brackets. Tons of brackets. I still think there could be a perfect. Sephiroth still has an outside chance, and you never know what this kid has in the rest of his bracket. But basically we won't see a perfect, and that is pleasing. I don't think this performance from Samus means anything about how she will perform in the rest of the contest. I think it goes without saying though that Samus vs. Sonic will not be close again.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
Currently Tied for 4307th place

If the poll doesn't change, we have a new favorite to win it all here

Don't place too much into Samus' performance. Lara Croft has fallen much more than Jill Valentine has, and Sam Fisher struggled to take down Gordon Freeman.

Samus/Sora and Samus/Sonic will be much better indicators of whether or not she'll win.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 57 of 60
Next Match: Sora vs. Ryu Hayabusa

Yeah unless Samus destroys Sonic I honestly don't see her having a chance.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 56/62 Next Pick: Samus Aran

I think Samus might be more popular than Link outside of the Nintendo fanbase. Problem is the Nintendo fanbase would turn againist her hard.

Link is #1 in their heart. Samus is at best, now, #2.

Sephiroth still has an outside chance, and you never know what this kid has in the rest of his bracket.

Sora has proven that SFF between two different games exists. Sephiroth was supposed to be the benefactor of that in his match against Vivi. He didn't perform well at all.

Sephiroth has no chance.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 57 of 60
Next Match: Sora vs. Ryu Hayabusa

lol, I still don't think she'll actually win, but to say its not a possibility isn't giving her enough credit.
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So assuming this doesn't degenerate too much... Samus PWNs Magus, no? Yikes. Poor Sonic is going to get trounced me thinks.
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Yeah I dont think she can beat Link or Cloud either. But I do think if she holds at least 78-79 over Sam, she could put a huge running on Sephiroth.

I think Vivi would most likely be the hardest character of all Square games in this contest to get SFF against. He has a different fanbase than Seph, Cloud, Auron and Squall.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 56/62 Next Pick: Samus Aran

I think Vivi would most likely be the hardest character of all Square games in this contest to get SFF against. He has a different fanbase than Seph, Cloud, Auron and Squall.

And what fanbase would that be...X-Box fanboys? >_>
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 57 of 60
Next Match: Sora vs. Ryu Hayabusa

Samus is still at 82%...
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Score-Brackets-% Right
60----4--------25.0000000
59----69-------17.3913043
58----131------19.0839695
57----198------25.7575758
56----239------27.1966527
55----263------36.8821293
54----336------40.1785714
53----477------41.7190776
52----576------46.8750000
51----808------48.6386139
50----1117-----49.4180842
49----1296-----50.3858025
48----1732-----48.9030023
47----1906-----46.7995803
46----2266-----45.3221536
45----2380-----42.3109244
44----2417-----43.2354158
43----2391-----39.2722710
42----2345-----38.6780384
41----2013-----38.3010432
40----1856-----35.3987069
39----1582-----32.1744627
38----1408-----33.2386364
37----1082-----33.4565619
36----873------33.4478809
35----723------29.3222683
34----584------23.9726027
33----480------22.5000000
32----364------23.0769231
31----270------25.1851852
30----227------20.7048458
29----171------19.8830409
28----120------23.3333333
27----104------18.2692308
26----60-------21.6666667
25----59-------22.0338983
24----45-------17.7777778
23----23-------17.3913043
22----23-------30.4347826
21----9--------0.0000000
20----10-------10.0000000
19----5--------0.0000000
18----4--------25.0000000
17----3--------0.0000000
16----4--------0.0000000
15----2--------0.0000000
14----4--------0.0000000
13----6--------33.3333333
12----4--------0.0000000
11----2--------0.0000000
10----11-------18.1818182
9-----8--------12.5000000
8-----7--------28.5714286
7-----9--------0.0000000
6-----17-------11.7647059
5-----19-------5.2631579
4-----28-------7.1428571
3-----26-------3.8461538

Nobody with a score of 2 or lower got the match right. The top tiers got decimated by this match with a perdiction percentage in the 20's to mid 30's. Only 1 perfect remains standing.

Lots of people fell off the Top 50. Thirty-six to be exact. ATF, Kehas, Shake From The Grave, HaRRicH, Do not even ask, Mac Arrowny, Blaze12, Blade X, jay2090, Immortal Prophet, Seanchan, mariomasta, Nickman8585, Dark115, Steinershocker, Nerve, Metal Gear Mouse, red sox 777, ereinion, Vana diel hero, GalvatronX, TheTeenagePinoy, moogle96, dirtysanchez08, dragon user27, Kavatar, Buzzup, Holgu, Lancelot BT, Smurf X, Janus5000, TheCalmness, eviltelly, cloudstrife76548, Cid and Northern Lupe did not have Sora winning this match. Another 7 people on the Top 50 got the match wrong but had enough points to remain in the top 50. EMIN3M, Tjian, ps2rulezzz, Paratroopa1, donoso, Master A and sonten1 all remain in the Top 50 despite getting the match wrong.
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In regards to whomever noticed a few posts back that the prediction percentage was quite high for Sora, but low based upon the leaderboard I agree... and anticpates TRE's update =)

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Wow beat me by 22 seconds... Nice job TRE =)

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I think Vivi would most likely be the hardest character of all Square games in this contest to get SFF against. He has a different fanbase than Seph, Cloud, Auron and Squall.

And what fanbase would that be...X-Box fanboys? >_>

No, the classic FF gamers. The game was Square's attempt to placate the old curmudgeonly crowd. You can say it succeeded, or that it failed, but the game was not designed for FF VII's target audience.
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Wow... Quite the bellcurve... Gives people 4-5 points off to make top 50 still... Quite amazing to see that only our tip of the bellcurve gets the 50%+

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I'm sorry for so many consective posts... but I just thought of soemthing...

Wow... This match shwos us that sometimes, the majority is indeed correct. That those "informed" on whatever given situation it may be can actually be wrong on a large scale. Perhaps Democracy does wor...
*Slaps himself on the head and remembers who is currently President*
Oh ya... That.

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Hmm... I'm #31 in the top 50 just like that. Wow, what a bracket buster. Seems like Cloud and Link are getting all the love and Sephiroth isn't at the moment.

Is it just me, or is Samus doing better against Sam than she did against Lara at this point in the match?
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Vote Samus!

... Quite a bit better:

http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1765
http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1749

O_O
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Is it that surprising that Lara Croft could still be more popular than Sam Fisher? Besides, Sam's biggest support will likely come later on in the morning/afternoon. And yes, I know that he lost that vote to Gordon Coyote.
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Happiness! ^_^

Go Samus!

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And to think, HM laughed at me when I projected Fisher to be weaker than Lara against Samus.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

T-1239 now, nice. With the right result in Crono-Mario, could finally make the top 1000.

May be away from GameFAQs for a couple of days, if I'm not back for Monday's match, good luck to everyone's brackets :-)
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Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

FFIX I would put more of an old-school vote then New-School. While released on the PSX, it was primarily for the Pre-FFVII generation.

That said, 70-30 is a fairly good split for Seph. It's akin to what Cloud did with Auron, and I would put Vivi on Auron's level easily. I know hundreds of people who hated, abhored FFIX, yet loved Vivi.

Everyone is saying now that Samus will win, but isn't there a way to calculate the chance based on the possiblitly that some of Samus' voters may vote for Cloud when she goes up against him (me, for example) sort of the same concept of SFF, except without the same fanbase.
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Wow, go Samus. She's looking pretty good, though this sort of result shouldn't come as any surprise. Still, blowouts look cool.
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 58/62, Next Winner: Samus

Go Samus!
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I can't believe it... Samus is for real, and not just some fluke! Expect her do dominate the day vote and maybe end up with a score higher than against Lara...

Magus had the same opponent, and he barely doubled him, and Samus is on her way to another easy 80%.

Samus can easily be considered AT THE VERY LEAST a very comfortable fourth, a possible Megaman increase notwithstanding.

I definitely hope it would shut up these people who constantly whine about Square on boards 7 and 8. Gets annoying.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/062 - Matches: 44/47 - Rank: 00150/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

Good Lord....Samus has gained a boost. Getting 80%+ against 2 characters who are a little higher than fodder is great.

If she can get 65-70% on Sora, then it's time to start waving those Upset Special flags.
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Sam vs. Samus - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (58/62)

Wow, now we have some 59 pointers on the board.

When Crono beats Mario....I could finally get on there...^__^
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Sam vs. Samus - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (58/62)

HM, for all the weight you put on MMAC, you turn around and say that LoZ:CE...a game that came PACKAGED with the Gamecube...won't likely make any increase, wow. Come on, HM, that's hypocrisy at its finest.

You'll also notice that I have denounced Sonic Mega Collection. When something is released on one console, such as a collection I don't put major amounts of stock into it. Why? It limits the auidence that is going to be able to get this. Secondly, while it did come packaged with a GameCube other people were not able to easily access the Collector's Edition. I also stressed that all of Mega Man's best games were basically all on the NES. That's not exactly a time when everyone started gaming. How many games does Link have on the NES? The Legend of Zelda and Zelda II: Adventure of Link. I, personally, do not believe those two games could make for such a dramatic increase. Take note that he only overperformed by 1.35% against CATS based on his own projection and 0.92% better than Cloud. It's not accurate to gauge whether or not he's the same or better, but it should not help him out in any big way; or so I believe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Or maybe it has hit 300,000 by now...

I have my reasons for believing something. Just allow me to give my side before lashing out or thinking it's an odd statement. As for sales, yes it's about 300,000 now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

And to think, HM laughed at me when I projected Fisher to be weaker than Lara against Samus.

I did not laugh, I was merely pointing out how you thought Samus wasn't just a fluke. This performance today sits right inbetween the 77-83% she could get and be a major contender for winning it all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

I have my reasons for believing something. Just allow me to give my side before lashing out or thinking it's an odd statement. As for sales, yes it's about 300,000 now.

About the point that that SMC and LoZ:CE were only for one console, how many of that 300,000 were Gamecube copies and how many were PS2? I was under the impression that the PS2 version was [i]vastly[/i] outsold by the GCN version.
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just noticed how many brackets fell and what not. I figured I'd have to start high, but now I can count down from 142 now. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Heh. I just realized I used the wrong tags... I hate switching between boards. >_<
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

About the point that that SMC and LoZ:CE were only for one console, how many of that 300,000 were Gamecube copies and how many were PS2? I was under the impression that the PS2 version was [i]vastly[/i] outsold by the GCN version.

It wasn't vastly; I'm doing it in my head but it's something around 168,000 on the GCN and 130,000 on the PS2. Again, not precise numbers, but you get the picture. In fact, the PS2 version outsold the GCN version last month.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Oh, okay. I thought that not nearly as many copies were being sold of the PS2 version, for one reason or another. Never mind, then.

I think Samus bottomed out at 79.24% and she is now up to 79.84%. What do you expect her to end up with at this point?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

She could hit 81% if she gets a nice enough day vote...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Samus - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (58/62)

Around 81% would be my guess.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

There is no logic to this. Ok, Sora beats Ryu, I can almost understand this, but 61-39? How could Sora be this strong?

Because all the Square fans united to beat Ryu Hayabusa. Thinkg about it like this...everyone who voted for Aeris, voted for Sora as well. I heard Aeris was also in KH, and I didn't even know that before...and I'm also noticing how a lot of people are saying that since Sora won, he must have been SFF'd big time against Aeris, which MIGHT have happened, but I think Square fans that picked Aeris probably picked Sora as well. Oh yeah..and the XStats are losing more reliabilty by the match..

I've played KH, and Sora was annoying throughout the game. When Goofy is cooler then you, you know you got problems.

Opinions like that are the reasons random board 8 users are clueless [.........]. Seen Tidus? Seen Ness? Seen Tails? Seen what those uncool characters did? They won. Just because of that part of your post, I think Goofy is cooler than you...

KH couldn't even force SC to call in the Korierrs in the Spring Contest. And yet, Sora is a top tier character.

Games=/=Characters, do we have to go over that again? Because I'd rather not.

This is like 30% SFF in a match were I expected him to be on the benifiting end of SFF, and no other character has shown any real boost from hype about a game, so how did Sora increase this much?

Because the Square fanboys came through for Sora...people who voted for Aeris voted for Sora...it's that simple, you thought XBox would defy Square? XD

Even Master Chief couldn't defy the god-like powers Frog had. Pleaseeeeee.....Square is walking all over these guys like ants....

Hopefully that trend stops at Link vs Cloud.
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Well Sora...u shocked us all...and thankfully, only 320 are above me. Could have been a lot worse. This keeps the Satirical One still in the running for glory, now that matches go up to 4 points in value, I need some peeps to begin losing tomorrow by being dumb and picking Yoshi...or Luigi...heh

Upsets do happen...and Frog...it is your destiny now! Do it for me, and for all that is right in this fanboy world!
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I hate to say it, but I want Mario vs Crono to hurry up and be over. Just to know if I get that match right or wrong.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Upsets do happen...and Frog...it is your destiny now! Do it for me, and for all that is right in this fanboy world!

You picked Frog over Snake?

Nice knowing you. :-)
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SC2K4 SECOND ROUND WINNERS AND LOSERS

WINNERS

STAR OF THE ROUND: Sora - What, you expected anything else? The revelation of Sora being a top 20 character will stand out to me as the shocker of the tournament, and that's even if Samus or Megaman win, which says a lot. No, seriously. He did so well that if we assume Jill didn't change, Sora was on the receiving end of SEVENTEEN points of SFF last year against Aeris, and what would be the projected SFF-less result? 50.55% IN SORA'S FAVOR, which provided Dabu with yet another perfect-looking opportunity to troll the stats topic. I don't want to believe this, but at the same time I get the feeling Sora DOES hold a lot of power. And he did it with a picture that made him look like Little Red Riding Hood. What was CJayC smoking when he thought of THAT, I don't know. Sora was damn near unrecognizable in that pic. More on that later. But he's this year's Squall for sure. Expected to have a semi-close first round match, surprise blowout, faces hot newcomer in round 2 and is given no chance by the board, wins 60-40 and is the bracket favorite.

HONORABLE MENTION #1: Megaman - HM should be thrilled, there. Megaman surprised many people, me first, by pulling a stunning 65% on Tidus, when he was supposed to get 55%. Falling only two points short of what Cloud would've been expected to do is definitely a great way to state your business. While he doesn't look in as good a shape as Link or Cloud just yet, it can change... against Solid Snake, that is. Forget about Zero for obvious reasons.

HONORABLE MENTION #2: Samus Aran - Well, it just makes sense that she goes here, because of the lack of big, big surprises this round (though Sora and Megaman were well worth the price of entry, as well as Frog/MC). She's proven that her first round performance was not a fluke, and that she's really in the title hunt. While Clinkeroth just seems content to do what it needs to do, Samus just does better than them. It's two times now that she's outdone the top competitors. She may not be the winner in the end, but at least it will make for a very interesting semifinal.

Link - Ew. What a mess. They're still picking up little pieces of Ganondorf everywhere in the cyberworld. That's how bad the massacre was. Seriously. He would've been expected to get near 35% without SFF, yet he gets 12.10%. WORSE THAN CATS. Guess it shows the extent to where Link is by far the most loved Zelda character. Doesn't matter whether he spends 80% of the game on top of Zelda or Sean Connery.

Crono - "..." is the only thing I can say after blowing the **** out of Magus. 70-30. The top fan-favorite character on this site got blown out by a mute hero of the same game. Magus had everything going his way as far as the game was concerned. Looked cooler, had great lines, best-looking spells ever (even if they're not the most damaging)... yet Crono Luminaireahaeahas Magus to the netherworld. I remember someone saying last year that favoring Crono over Magus would happen only on GameFAQs. These words were only too prophetic, for it was the perfect opportunity for a reverse-SFF upset... yet Magus LOSES 17 points to SFF. More on that later, again.

Max Payne - The Vercetti/Zero match went down as expected, which probably means Max Payne got a small boost out of his new game. Didn't compete this round, but at least deserves a mention.

Master Chief - WHAT. A. COMEBACK. Nevermind the ending, it came back from being 2400 votes down at a pace Starcraft only wished it had. Why couldn't Halo do it this spring? Would've salvaged a lot of points on my bracket... ;_; And keep in mind that on the receiving end of that comeback was a beloved Squaresoft fan-favorite. Yes, Square has a reputation for being rather erratic in the day vote when not facing jobbers. But that was never before seen. Nevermind the actual ending to the match, Master Chief deserves a medal for what he did. When the board was already talking about Sora/Hayabusa, he imposed himself in the discussions by not only his comeback, but the seemingly impossible pace of it. Despite the accusations of cheating... turns out it was all legit, and I was really surprised at that. The "kiddies coming back from school" that powerful? No one ever thought so before. If I gave out three honorable mentions, Chief would certainly be the one.

Knuckles the Echidna - He finally broke 40% on Snake... yet all the signs pointed to him NOT doing it. MGS3 gets quite a lot of hype, which goes to say that hype does nothing in these contests. And then there's Sonic Heroes, which pushed people to theorize that the Sonic characters were on a downward spiral. My ass. I, for one, never doubted Knuckles could do well, yet I never thought he'd break 40%.

Ness - Another character who showed his full potential against an established competitor. In last year's rankings he placed just above CATS - and now he's hanging with the likes of Tails and Scorpion. These extra votes are most likely due to SSBM, an advantage he couldn't count on against Bowser. The days of Ness and Earthbound being treated like complete cannon fodder are most likely over, unless Ness turns out to be Tidus with a baseball bat and a yo-yo.

Vivi - When you're a Final Fantasy character meeting Cloud or Sephiroth, not being ass-raped by SFF is a huge exploit. Wait, I just implied that Cloud and Sephiroth had the necessary material to rape, and that's so wrong. But nonetheless, Vivi stood to the challenge Sephiroth threw at him... and did almost a point better than what was projected. Such is the power of the Black Mage, it seems... shame on me and whoever else who picked DK to be in that match instead.

Miles "Tails" Prower - So, he was really involved in statistical anomalies these last two years. Holding your own against Dante is a feat characters from his projected level could never be able to do. 43%... in your face HM. The Sonic cast isn't going anywhere any time soon.

Heroic Mario - You know why.

LOSERS

TURD OF THE ROUND: Ganondorf Dragmire - Being 11th in the X-Sts is great, yes. Being 11th in the X-Sts because of massive fanbase leeching is a whole other story entirely. This year's unadjusted X-Sts are going to be hilarious to look at. Ganondorf and Alucard hanging with the likes of CATS and Guybrush... comical gold. Hey, if someone asks us for the 2004 X-Sts sometime during the bracketmaking period next year, let's point them to the unadjusted version.

DISHONORABLE MENTION #1: Frog - If Ulti decides to re-make his top 10 chokejobs list, this one will surely be near the top. If you are a Squaresoft character, you do NOT give up the entirety of the 2400-vote lead you had mid-poll in four hours. Frog clearly was the most overhyped character going into this contest (for the record, it wasn't Hayabusa, it was Sora who merely lacked it). Check the BOP point value list, and you'll find Frog in 10th place, with only the Noble Nine above him. He was expected to make the Sweet 16 THAT easily, yet he wins his two matches by a combined margin of 100 votes, making Donkey Kong look like the king of blowouts.

DISHONORABLE MENTION #2: Pac-Man - The fun thing is, he didn't compete this round. But he still deserves this Dishonorable Mention, because he got surprisingly blown out by Luigi, who then went on to do exactly what he was expected to do against Yoshi. Welcome to the depths of Nobodycaresanymoreland, Pac.

Luigi Mario - Yes, he didn't do any better or worse than expected. But no matter how bad he does, he comes in every year just as overestimated as the year before because "HE'S FRIGGEN LUIGI", and always disappoints. Hope you learned your lesson... Luigi is NOT a good horse to bet on. He's nothing more than a glorified midcarder, and his legendary status says it will take a miracle or two to get him out of here. On the plus side, he got a decent pic for the first time ever. About ****ing time.

Mario Mario - Not a total loser like some others, after all he DID make Bowser his *****. But in the optic of his match against Crono, this is pretty worrying. Magus is way ahead of Bowser in the X-Sts, yet both do about the same against virtually identical opponents. Magus had more reasons to do well against Crono than Bowser did against Mario. Yet as I said, the results were similar. Not a good sign... but eh, Mario heading into the big money match with momentum is like GFNW, it can't be overcome else the universe will implode.

Tidus - Getting blown out 65-35 by Megaman isn't something one not named Heroic Mario would expect from Tidus. If Megaman turns out to be not anywhere near Clinkeroth, his ranking will suffer.

Shadow the Hedgehog - 1) What I said for Tidus. 2) Because I can.

Solid Snake - Let's say that he's not exactly looking "solid" right now. Yes, he blew Tanner out with over 94%. But LoZ did even better against Adventure, and LoZ is competition of a similar caliber to Snake. Yes he's going against Frog next round, and he just can't lose. However, his chances to get revenge on Megaman just went poof as soon as Knuckles broke the 40% barrier. He's going to need a super-duper surprise MGS3 release on the day of the match to have a chance.

Sephiroth - Okay, so he didn't do all that bad. But for the second time in a row, he left me with a "Hmmm... could'Ve done better than that" aftertaste. When you're going for the championship, you are NOT allowed to show any flaw. EVER. Link didn't in 2002. Cloud didn't in 2003. Sephiroth already did twice. To think, the last perfect's riding on him.

Sonic the Hedgehog - I am aware that he did about what was expected out of him. And I am aware that he always sucked with the night vote. However, there's a difference between "sucking" and "conceding it to Ryu". And so he did. Not once, but twice... Ryu caught up a few hundreds at the end of the poll. Another revenge-seeking character showing he's just not gonna get it.

Ryu Hayabusa - As I said last time, I never had much confidence in him. But at least I thought that if he could beat Jill, no way he was going to lose to Sora, right? MEEEEEEEP!!! Despite having an overall better-looking pic (which isn't saying much, as I felt the need to dub it Ryu Arabusa), he got spanked by LRRH. 62-38. I don't believe Neonreaper when he says he expected that. No one could humanly have expected that. Expecting Sora winning is one thing. But 62-38? Gimme a break.

Heroic Mario - Once again, you can guess why.

Funny McScryb - Advice to all gamblers: When Slowflake is confident enough in the outcome of a match that he's ready to put his account on the line, I suggest you do NOT bet with him

MWIS - Please back off from this bet. You can't win. No one will hold it against you. Promised.

Excellent performance by Samus here.

I don't believe that Fisher dropped. He got a new, highly acclaimed game back in the spring. This is all Samus. :)
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

****sigh****

okay, this is getting ridiculous. Samus does NOT have the potential to beat Cloud. Gordon Freeman would have been expected to get 20.9% on Samus, based on last year's numbers. if Gordon stayed the same, and Sam Fisher was the one who decreased, then Sam would have been expected to get about 23% against Samus, which is within the usual X-Stat margin of error. Samus probably did go up a bit, and she may have suffered a bit of SFF at the hands of Link, but she's not as strong as Cloud. Samus and Megaman look to have passed Mario and Crono, but they still can't contend with the big Three.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Oh thanks Slow....thanks for putting Ganon and Shadow on the losers list.

You couldn't even somehow even out this injustice by putting Kirby and Yoshi on the winners list...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Samus - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (58/62)

Samus does NOT have the potential to beat Cloud. Gordon Freeman would have been expected to get 20.9% on Samus, based on last year's numbers.

In today's match, Samus would have been expected to get 68.93% on Fisher if he stayed the same. I've already put together some numbers and the percentage that Samus needs to hit is inbetween 77-83% to have an awesome shot at winning in the semi-finals. Why? The lowest Cloud could get is 77% and the highest Cloud could get is 83%. The range I provided allows for Fisher to decrease, Freeman to increase, or a mixture of both.

Samus and Megaman look to have passed Mario and Crono, but they still can't contend with the big Three.

Both look very good in contending with Link/Cloud in the semi-finals.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Very nice write-up, Slow, I enjoyed the read. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Samus just went over 80%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Irreverent...Incorrigible...Indecent...Indigent...


Steve Illumina Speaks

Yep, thats right kiddies. Fanboys and fangirls, stat geeks and nerdboys, look up to me, and the commentary borne from my creations, as the source of contest analytical data so carefully researched, even Dr. Hawking would appreciate. Now without further adieu...

Triforce Division

Link vs Yoshi
My Enlightened Pick: Link
Bracket Pick: Link
Guru/Elite Pick: Link
Fanboy's Choice: Link
Oracle %: 72.11
Prophet Margin: Who cares!

Comments: The Hero of Hyrule, the Nadir of Nintendo, the Elf of Elves takes on Mario's lime green steed with a tongue that can move mountains.

Everyone who is anyone knows this match is over before it begins...as future champion Link will roll all over midcarder Yoshi with ease... This is a testament to the overall boredom of the contests. Same characters...same matches...same fanbases....blah blah blah.

What is needed next year is 64 new entrants so we can have matches that no silly x-stats can measure. No past history can determine ahead of time the results. No nothing! The matches would be glorious...just look at these samples:

(1) Vincent vs (16)Maximo
My Enlightened Pick: Vincent
Bracket Pick: Vinny
Guru/Elite Pick: V.
Fanboy's Choice: Vincent
Oracle %: 74.58
Prophet Margin: Still no one cares!

Finally, a 1-16 seed match with some real outside upset possibility! Link vs CATS is predictable and not to mention as stale as old Fritos. Or how about this one:

(8)B.B. Hood vs (9)Mai
My Enlightened Pick: Mai
Bracket Pick: Toss-up
Guru/Elite Pick: Mai
Fanboy's Choice: Too close to call!
Oracle%: 50.03%
Prophet Margin: Zzzzz

Now there is an 8-9 match that will be close, like they all should be and with very similar fanbase characters. Ryu and KOS-MOS dont qualify as a good 8-9 match. One more example to drive home the point:

(5)Chocobo vs (12)Moogle
My Enlightened Pick: Chocobo
Bracket Pick: Moogle
Guru/Elite Pick: Moogle
Fanboy's Choice: Both
Oracle%: 51.23%
Prophet Margin: BUZZ!

Here is a good intra-Square matchup where either of them has a real shot to win. Cloud vs Seph is NOT an good matchup..it already happened.

So kiddies, put your fanboy colored glasses back on the shelf with last week's pizza crust and your TI-83, and realize that Ceej needs to have massive contest reform to save what has become more boring with each passing season.

Just admit it, you know I am right...

Results: Link will walk all over Yoshi, and win by 70% or more with ease in this SFF, GNFF, and Non-FF snoozefest.

Term of the Day:GNFF: Greater Nintendo Fanbase Factor: Means the game or series that is loved more by the fanboys will win regardless of who represents it.

And it was so...

Quotes: "Young or old, cel-shade or sprite, I am your Nintendo Star!" -Link, "Feed me...I like booties!" -Yoshi

I'm Steve Illumina, and I approved this message.
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not a chance, HM. i still say Sam overperformed last year due to some sort of Patriotic Fan Factor. not to mention, Sam had 43% of the bracketmakers on his side. how many bracketmakers do you think he has on his side against Samus? maybe ten percent, very few of which actually expect him to win. i'm not buying it. i still say Sam vs. Gordon's result was mostly due to Sam dropping.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

i still say Sam vs. Gordon's result was mostly due to Sam dropping.

Sam can only drop so much, and like I said I accounted for an all Fisher drop and if it were so Cloud would be expected to get 83% on him. Like I said earlier, 77-83% is what Samus needs in order to show she's a major contender. 77% allows Fisher to stay the exact same, 83% allows Fisher to all drop, and inbetween allows Freeman to rise and Fisher to drop.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

I'd say then reason Sam could possibly have overperformed last year would be the fact that none of the 'newer' gamers seemed to know Magus.

Judging by the dozens of "omg, how is this Magus guy beating SAM?!" topics, anyways.
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Wrong picks: KOS-MOS over Ryu

if Samus and Gordon stayed exactly the same as last year, then Samus would've been expected to get 77% against Sam, but that would mean that Sam vs. Gordon was 100% Sam dropping. now, i don't really think that was entirely Sam, but can you give me a good reason why Gordon would increase significantly?

if anything, Samus increased a bit. she would need over 85% to be a contender against Cloud in my eyes.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

she would need over 85% to be a contender against Cloud in my eyes.

She'd clearly overshoot any Cloud projection if she got 85%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

And no, Samus would have been expected to get 68.93% against Fisher. Cloud would have been expected to get the 77%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

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How you people can look at these performances and deny Mega Man/Samus' chances at contending with Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth is beyond me. You guys act as if the world would end if one of those three were to lose to someone else. After seeing the previous two characters performances I'd say start getting worried about the world ending.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

You picked Frog over Snake?

Nice knowing you. :-)

7 Shdwdde 61 Link

Eh?

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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

Well I'd say yes Megaman has a legitimate chance of beating link and winning the whole thing. However on the subject of samus I'm indifferent until I see her beat sonic. Basically it'll look something like this: 53-47 not a hope, 57-43 will bow out respectively, 60-40 more or less the same as 57-43, and finally 65-35 (which I doubt) which would put her in a position to beat Cloud/Sephiroth. As a sonic fan-boy I'm hoping that sonic can hold samus to at least 60-40 at worst. Unfortanatly, looking at their second round performances that may be well beyond sonic....
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For this performance to show very little to no Samus increase Fisher would have had to drop all the way down to 15% on Link and resting inbetween Ness and CATS in the 2003 X-sts. In case your wondering, that is below Gordon Freeman.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Poo, the voting differential yesterday went over my prediction in the prophet challenge :P

Ya know, I had thought Sora may have had an outside chance of making Sora/Samus a 55-45% matchup in Samus' favor.. but now I think Samus should cruise over him
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Magus had everything going his way as far as the game was concerned. Looked cooler

Crono looked much cooler than Magus.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

now, i don't really think that was entirely Sam, but can you give me a good reason why Gordon would increase significantly?

Sure. Chalk it up to Half-Life 2 hype, overwhelming board support (not just on this one, either), a better pic, and of course, we know that fodder performance can wildly fluctuate depending on the opponent.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Speaking of a Gordon increase, why would he haved increased last year?

http://sc2k4.com/excel/character_comparisons.htm

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Chalk it up to Half-Life 2 hype, overwhelming board support (not just on this one, either), a better pic, and of course, we know that fodder performance can wildly fluctuate depending on the opponent.

Right. We all know that hype is a guarantee of someone going way up, right? Just like Snake did against Knuckles. A better pic, just like Snake vs Knuckles. And yeah, fodder does vary. Samus is again drawing votes for being the "Better Badass".

Next round, Samus vs Sora will be Square vs Nintendo. Now THERE is where we will see how the coins stack up.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

Speaking of a Gordon increase, why would he haved increased last year?

This answer is dumb, but I think Gordon was the only character that suffered from TJF
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Summer 2004 Contest 55/62 Samus vs. Sam

The problem is that everyone here is relying on the Sam Fisher XP stats from last year. Which are clearly wrong, and if you can't see that, then too bad for you.
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Alright! Back on the leaderboard at number 30!

And is Samus doing better than she was expected to?
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
60/62/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

I say that if Samus is in the upper half of the range of what HM suggested, meaning between 80 and 83%, Samus does have a great shot. And so far she's doing just that. I just can't believe BOTH Lara and Sam fell massively, that's just too coincidental.

Patriotic argument... pfft. If you don't know who Sam Fisher is you won't be feeling all that patriotic about him from the get-go. And Americans are patriotic all year round anyway. 'specially since you've been shoved more 9/11 stuff down your throats no later than a week ago.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/062 - Matches: 44/47 - Rank: 00150/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

Before I even looked at the results when I was voting, I said to myself "I bet Samus has 80%" so I don't see what's so surprising about the number. I thought yesterday's results were far more shocking.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Random question: Who has more anti-votes, Link, Cloud, or Sephiroth? I'd say Sephiroth.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

he must have been SFF'd big time against Aeris, which MIGHT have happened, but I think Square fans that picked Aeris probably picked Sora as well.

Uhh...Isn't that the basic idea behind SFF? The voter likes both characters, but in general the majority favors one over the other.

Samus is looking great again, but there's still fodder fluctuation to consider. Magus would definitely be a more ideal opponent for Sam Fisher to face because he's not as mainstream. If there's one thing I've noticed about Magus, it's this: As strong as he is, his polls never draw big numbers. Magus-Sam Fisher last year had pathetic numbers by 2003 standards, as did Magus-Luca Blight this year.

I think casuals will likely vote as long as they can at least recognize one character. You can recognize Crono without having ever played his game (plus the game is called CHRONO Trigger), but you really can't say the same about Magus, or Frog for that matter.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

Random question: Who has more anti-votes, Link, Cloud, or Sephiroth? I'd say Sephiroth.

All I know is that the answer is not Link. He and Mega Man seem to repel anti-votes.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

The problem is that everyone here is relying on the Sam Fisher XP stats from last year. Which are clearly wrong, and if you can't see that, then too bad for you.

I've already addressed this problem.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

And is Samus doing better than she was expected to?

Yep. All based on 2003 with no increase/decrease in characters she's suppose to be doing 68.93%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Mumei asked where I think this will end earlier; I said something like 81%? Let me up that to 82%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

True, but if you factor in Sam's drop you see that Cloud would get anywhere from 15%-20% depend on how much it's Sam alone
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Summer 2004 Contest 55/62 Samus vs. Sam

I'm interested to see what RPGuy's numbers have to say about these current results.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

"I'd expect the majority of GameCube owners have Super Smash Brothers Melee, or at least those who like fighting games"

Actually, most fighting game fans wouldn't give a rats ass about SSBM. Likewise, most SSBM fans wouldn't give a rats ass about a fighting game like Soul Calibur. Sure, some people own both... hell I own both, but I only enjoyed one of them (and it wasn't melee). As much as people want to call SSBM a fighting game it doesn't appeal to people who like fighting games very much.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Oh yeah. 28th place, baby ^^

Which of the big three gets the most anti-votes? Certainly not Sephiroth, why would he? He has never won a contest, and if people anti-vote FF7, they are gonna anti-vote the big guy, Cloud. Cloud gets the most anti-votes this year, for sure.
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

if people anti-vote FF7, they are gonna anti-vote the big guy, Cloud.

If people anti-vote FFVII, why wouldn't they anti-vote Sephiroth? Anti-champion votes are insignificant.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

They do anti-vote Sephiroth, as well. But Cloud WILL get more anti-votes then Sephiroth in their match, I guarantee that. Anti-champion votes are very significant in a match that could be within 1000 votes.

I doubt Sephiroth will be that close to have the anti-votes matter, but man I hope they do >_>
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

I'll grant you that. If they get an equal amount of anti-FFVII votes, then Cloud would have the most due to whatever anti-champion votes are out there.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

same here, goku
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
60/62/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

I think Samus and Mega Man have legitimate chances...
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Gooper Blooper? Who is this? I know no Gooper Blooper.
http://www.x-entertainment.com/

Samus and Megaman have no chance unless they can get 63%+ on Sonic and Snake
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SC2K4 Score: 64/66(Yoshi) Pick: Crono
FF7>>>>me.

Yeah, they do.

I'm worried, but at the same time, it would be cool if either of them won, because very few people picked Megaman, and even less picked Samus to win.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
60/62/192 Next tough pick: CRONO

Samus needs to double Sonic to prove she can beat Cloud. Mega Man needs to come close to the same against Snake.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1362

If Samus can do this, then yes, she wins 2004.

Mega would also have to get similar numbers against Snake.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Samus - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (58/62)

2003 Link would get 64.77% on a 2002 Snake. If he (Snake) is back down to those numbers then Mega Man would need to get close to that, 63-65%.

2003 Link would get 64.1% on a 2003 Snake. So he needs roughly the same score of 63-65% to look good against Link.

2003 Cloud would get 66.21% on a 2003 Sonic. So she needs to get around 64-66% in order to look good against Cloud.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Wanna talk about Magus not being mainstream... I wouldn't say Samus is much more either. Remember that "study" that was posted yesterday? All Samus could do was beat Link in name recognition, and that's not even counting those who called him "Zelda". Otherwise, she gets run into the ground by the likes of Snake, Master Chief, Cloud and Sephiroth AMONG NON-GAMERS. Oh, and did I mention that Lara Croft's ranking last year depended on a certain princess ZELDA?

On another topic entirely, it's refreshing to see Samus do so well after being annihilated in round 2 this spring. However, this spring is also hinting at problems in the finals should Samus manage to sneak past Cloud/Sephiroth... remember LttP/SM?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 058/062 - Matches: 44/47 - Rank: 00150/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

I would consider Super Smash Brothers Melee to be more mainstream than Chrono Trigger. I bet in a similar poll that Magus would do horribly as far as recognizability is concerned. Besides, that was among non-gamers anyway. Samus isn't an icon and we knew that already.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

However, this spring is also hinting at problems in the finals should Samus manage to sneak past Cloud/Sephiroth... remember LttP/SM?

Assuming that the Hylian makes it past the Blue Bomber.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

I'm pretty interested in seeing how the next round picture will look.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

If it's Link vs. Samus in the finals, Link wins. I'm 98% certain of that.

Bah, I wish that this was Samus's true strength last year and that she just got SFF'd by Link. It would certainly make Squall, and indirectly Kirby, look a lot stronger.

...And then Luigi would've been stronger than Yoshi, too. Oh well.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

I'm pretty interested in seeing how the next round picture will look.

If they're anything like the last two years... sprites... Woo-hoo. I love sprites.

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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

If they're anything like the last two years... sprites... Woo-hoo. I love sprites.

If they're not sprites, I'm going to be very disappointed, and I don't think I'm the only one.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Oh and I'm calling Sora with 35% on Samus. What do you think he'll get?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

If Samus wants to compete with Cloud, and assuming that Jill hasn't changed from last year, she would need around 70%.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

If it's Link vs. Samus in the finals, Link wins. I'm 98% certain of that.

Agreed.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Sora 38.97%
Samus Aran 62.03%

When Samus gets 70% on Sora I will consider her a threat. Till then, no.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

It's got to be the sprite round for round 3. It HAS to be.

But then again, there isn't a real sprite version of people like Auron or Sam, is there? I mean, they're characters that first appeared on the next-gen consoles, they wouldn't have classic-style sprites. How would CJayC deal with them?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

This match is so confusing. Samus and Magus only got a 3% difference on Link, but Sam got 33% on Magus and 19% on Samus?

Even if there is Link/Samus SFF, then why didn't any other characters show it? And Pandora Tomorrow should have helped Sam Fisher. Maybe Samus really does want to win this contest.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

"Samus and Megaman have no chance unless they can get 63%+ on Sonic and Snake"

That's about as asinine as it gets. What, Sonic couldn't have increased? There's as much reason for Ryu to increase as Sonic, so who is to say they didn't both go up? Same thing for Snake and Knux. All four of those characters have ahd new games, all four of them have had some opotunity to rise. If Samus breaks 60% on Sonic I'll be very, very afraid... If Mega Man does to Snake what Seph did to him I will be very, very scared. When you take a drastic increase against an opponent you've already faced in the past something is deffinately up.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

He'd just use in-game models of them in their first game like last time.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

"Even if there is Link/Samus SFF, then why didn't any other characters show it?"

The fact of the matter is, the further away from the damaging match the less it shows. So basically, Squall would be the one to show the most damage from it, and it seems possible still that he may have suffered some sort of drop this year. With how close she was to him anyone past Squall (Luigi, Jill) wouldn't show anything that goes outside of margin of error. That leaves only KOS-MOS to judge by, and her match with Ryu is pretty inconclussive as of yet. It supports the idea that there was no SFF, but doesn't prove it. Basically the Samus/Sonic match and Samus/??? match are going to be our indicators on this matter.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Can someone explain how they could think Sam Fisher has decreased when Splinter Cell 2 came out fairly recently? Just accept the fact that Samus got a major boost and is now on the level of the big three. Can she beat them? That remains to be seen. But a performance like this says that she is now on par with them. And I, for one, amd loving every second of it.

How about that 27-0 lead by Samus last night? :)

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I am Lucid Faia.

Samus/Sora will be quite interesting...
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

The thing is, before this match, people were saying, "If Samus gets this much on Sam Fisher, be afraid." Now that she's done that, and quite convincingly, people are saying, "Wait for Sora."

Sad. :)

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I am Lucid Faia.

This board is WAY too pro-Samus.
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Current Elite Eight:
Link~ Crono~ Zero~ Frog~ Cloud Strife~ Auron~ Sonic~ Sora

Can someone explain how they could think Sam Fisher has decreased when Splinter Cell 2 came out fairly recently?

I'd love to think that Samus is all of a sudden at the strength of Clinkeroth, but it just is too hard to believe. I mean, who knows, maybe Sam has been this weak all along, and just over-performed last year against Magus due to a bunch of votes not knowing who he was. The most likely thing is that Sam and Lara dropped, Gordon and Samus went up. Too see what Samus is really capable of, we need to see her face a character who strength is already clear to us, like Sonic and to a lesser-extent, Sora.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Samus - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (58/62)

So basically, Squall would be the one to show the most damage from it, and it seems possible still that he may have suffered some sort of drop this year.

But if there was Link/Samus SFF, then Squall would look stronger, not weaker.

That leaves only KOS-MOS to judge by, and her match with Ryu is pretty inconclussive as of yet. It supports the idea that there was no SFF, but doesn't prove it.

KOS-MOS got what she was predicted to get, so it's possible that Ryu got better due to SFAC, and she stayed the same and looked the same, but is actually stronger then both matches (Ryu vs KOS-MOS and KOS-MOS vs Crash) indicate. But if Ryu got what he was expected to get on Sonic, then it's not likely he could have inceased.

Basically the Samus/Sonic match and Samus/??? match are going to be our indicators on this matter.

It's going to be Cloud, not Sephiroth.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Samus/Sora will be quite interesting...

Indeed it will be. Assuming that Sora has hit Squall's level (this is me sayin' that Jill dropped a lil' bit, so Sora is just under Aeris in my book), Sora would get about 42% on Samus last year. How much better than that, to me, will be Samus's true increased performance of how she's gonna hang with the big players.

Though these first two whippings are lookin' nice.....
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

It's not too hard to believe. Before the first contest, we figured Mario would win it all. Instead, Link proved to be miles away from everyone else.

Next year, we were expecting the same thing, and then Cloud upset Link and edged Sephiroth in the finals.

This year, Mega Man and Samus have gotten much stronger. We've been getting surprises every year. I find this one very believable.

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I am Lucid Faia.

I don't see how Sam went down, period. Over-performed, possibly, but he did not lose popularity. No, I didn't contradict myself there, either; there's a difference.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

"But if there was Link/Samus SFF, then Squall would look stronger, not weaker."

Unless, as I said, he dropped of his own accord.

"But if Ryu got what he was expected to get on Sonic, then it's not likely he could have inceased."

Except that it's almost certain that Sonic did increase, and I see no reason for Ryu to not increase as well.

"It's going to be Cloud, not Sephiroth."

It's too close to be certain. We can't say for sure that Cloud will beat Seph everytime in a direct match just because we've seen it once.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

"It's too close to be certain. We can't say for sure that Cloud will beat Seph everytime in a direct match just because we've seen it once."

Proof that Chichiri is one of the smartest people here. =)
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Sc2k4: Round 1 Score: 30/32, Round 2 Score: 30/32
Round 3 Score: 0/0. My winner: Sephiroth, My next pick: Link

Sephirmus Clinkman here we come...


1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
1
C's name? SamFisher
B's name? Samus
SamFisher would get 31.0622 on Samus
Samus would beat SamFisher with 68.9378
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 19.19

Samus is overperforming by 11.8722%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If SamFisher stayed constant,
Samus changes to 61.4122% on Link,
a difference of 23.4722

Alternately, if Samus stayed constant,
SamFisher changes to 14.5614% on Link,
a difference of -9.00863

Samus is still on a tier of her own. 0_o
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Oh, and Mega/Tidus, too.

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
1
C's name? Tidus
B's name? MegaMan
Tidus would get 44.3653 on MegaMan
MegaMan would beat Tidus with 55.6347
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 35.22

MegaMan is overperforming by 9.14528%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If Tidus stayed constant,
MegaMan changes to 48.6229% on Link,
a difference of 10.0229

Alternately, if MegaMan stayed constant,
Tidus changes to 27.1898% on Link,
a difference of -7.06016
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Well Samus looks damn impressive in this match, but until I see vs Sonic (not sora because we don't really know how strong he is) I will retract my comments on Samus vs Sephy/Cloud
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Well Samus looks damn impressive in this match, but until I see vs Sonic (not sora because we don't really know how strong he is) I will retract my comments on Samus vs Sephy/Cloud

Well Cloud looks damn impressive in this match, but until I see vs Sonic (not Auron because we don't really know how strong he is) I will retract my comments on Cloud vs Link.

Version 2k3.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Shoulda said Bowser, not Auron. Other than that, good point.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Sorry, I forgot Cloud faced Bowser last year.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

I don't think Squall dropped of his own accord. He did only slightly better than Alucard against Bomberman, yet about 2.5-3% better on Kirby. I think both of his opponents were underestimated (as was Alucard), and Bomberman went up some.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
Sweet Sixteen: Duel of Heroes vs. Cloud Strife

It's awesome to see Mega Man and Samus showing they are on the level of Clinkeroth.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

So true, HM. I'd give up on my bracket to see Mega Man win it all this year.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

SC2k4 Poll Updater

Link vs Ganondorf (SFF match)

2004-09-03 11:43:02
Link has 37844 votes

Samus vs Sam Fisher (Non-SFF match)

2004-09-18 11:42:55
Samus has 36470 votes

>_>

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I am Lucid Faia.

Speaking of Mega Man:

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
1
C's name? Tidus
B's name? MegaMan
Tidus would get 44.3653 on MegaMan
MegaMan would beat Tidus with 55.6347
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 35.22

MegaMan is overperforming by 9.14528%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If Tidus stayed constant,
MegaMan changes to 48.6229% on Link,
a difference of 10.0229

Alternately, if MegaMan stayed constant,
Tidus changes to 27.1898% on Link,
a difference of -7.06016

Not quite on Samus' tier, but pretty damn close to Clinkeroth's.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

One more for all the Samus naysayers:

1. C vs B
2. C vs A
3. B vs A
4. Manage XS
1
C's name? LaraCroft
B's name? Samus
LaraCroft would get 30.1133 on Samus
Samus would beat LaraCroft with 69.8867
Compare to an actual value? y/n:y
What was the actual percentage for the loser? 17.61

Samus is overperforming by 12.5033%
Calculate new values? y/n: y

If LaraCroft stayed constant,
Samus changes to 64.8779% on Link,
a difference of 26.9379

Alternately, if Samus stayed constant,
LaraCroft changes to 13.3625% on Link,
a difference of -9.48753

Do you really think Lara took the biggest dive in contest history to put her just under CATS? Even if you set Samus=Cloud, Lara changes to 18.19% on Link, roughly equal to Conker. Samus has done serious damage in the first two rounds, far surpassing what Cloud did last year. We should be very worried about her come the Final Four.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Yes, and if you look at the numbers I put up, you could very well argue that Samus would be outperforming Link this round if it weren't for SFF. That 27-0 lead at the beginning was no joke. Neither of these matches are flukes.

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I am Lucid Faia.

The question is... why did Samus jump so much from 2003 to 2004?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

Oh wow... I would have never thought that Samus had a chance at winning... Megaman, maybe... But Samus? Wow.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Trailer to MP2. It looks too promising alos the fusion games I would think. If not, it's simply since we went down in votes from 03, they were probably Samus haters.
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 60/62 Rank: 16th

Metroid Zero Mission?
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

I don't put much into hype, and the only game she's had released since was Metroid: Zero Mission on the GBA.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Tom Bombadil PWNED my socks off! (Sonic vs Ryu)

The question is... why did Samus jump so much from 2003 to 2004?

Why did Samus drop so much from 2002 to 2004? Anyway, one could say the same thing about Mega Man, 300k copies of MMAC aside. I have no idea, and I'm not even going to try and come up with something. The fact remains that she's doing amazingly well in a contest that's had few inexplicable deviations from last year's stats.
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Supporting the Blue Bomber and Samus to make the finals!

Metroid Zero Mission could be one thing. Also, I've NEVER put faith into trailers and hype before, but Metroid Prime 2 and the Metroid game got a lot of people excited... Who knows?

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I am Lucid Faia.

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I believe Link's new appearance and promise of another great game that people won't go 'OMFG T3H UGLY KID AGAIN?!!!!!' will boost him greatly to this year's victory. Personally I liked WW, but the majority hated his appearance. His new appearance > j00.
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Hylian Knight Forever
SC2k4 Score: 60/62 Rank: 16th