I'm going to bed, so here's the next topic in case we need it. Make sure to tell me if Ness makes it fun for the first few seconds. In other words, vote Ness! We all know Auron will win, anyways.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/extrapolated.php

Summer 2002 Extrapotated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k2_extrapolated.htm

Summer 2003 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/sc2k3_extrapolated.htm

Character comparisons Between Summer 2002 and Summer 2003:
http://sc2k4.com/summer_comparisons.php

Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated.htm

SFF Adjusted Spring 2004 Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k4.com/excel/spc2k4_extrapolated_sff.htm

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

Poll Vote Total Updator:
http://sc2k4.com/update.php (add "?pollid=[4-digit poll number]" at the end of url to look at charts from past polls)

Summer 2002 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=15&page=2

Summer 2003 Match Pictures:
www.angelfire.com/games5/heroicmario0/contestpictures.htm

Spring 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=2
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=17&page=3

Summer 2004 Match Pictures:
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=1
http://sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&page=2

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Go Squall!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

*tag* Approaching 60 of these... dear god. Poor Auron. Unless he PWNS Ness all night long, 2/3 of the vote will be unachievable.
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Anxiously awaiting... SONIC vs. ryu

Heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

In other words, vote Ness!

Auron's sheer badass-ness compelled me to vote him over a little boy with a baseball bat. A cool little bot with a baseball bat, but a little boy with a baseball bat nonetheless.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I'd laugh if Seph vs. Vivi has similar results as this match.
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honestly, you are bitter over a poll, go crawl inside your skin because these wounds are not healing. - Sir Chris

I hope Seph vs Vivi has similar results. Vivi rocks.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

What do you guys think the reason is for Viewtiful Joe's performance in this contest? I thought he would come in at the level of Dante.

No, no, no. Joe isn't at the level of Dante yet, nor did I expect him to be. Give him up until next year after he gets more publicity through Viewtiful Joe 2 on the PS2/GCN and his new anime (which does nothing more than get his name out there as opposed to reason for increase). He'll be much stronger in 2005.

Is it because his game is newer than Dante's was in 2002? Is it the system he debuted on (GC vs. PS2)?

For starters Viewtiful Joe came out in October of 2003. That's less than a year ago. Secondly, the game only sold some 240,000 copies on the GCN. The sales is one of the main reasons Capcom decided to bring it over to the PS2.

Or is Dante as a character that much more popular than Viewtiful Joe would be on equal ground? I don't think I'm the only one that thought Joe would be near Dante's strength and give him a run for the sweet 16 spot...

I thought he would give Dante a good run, but never stood a chance at winning. Dante has two games under his belt and one of them has been highly praised with the sales reflecting it. I think next year will be the time when you'll see Joe ranking very high up in the standings. This year I figured Joe would rank close to Dante, but around more of a Knuckles level.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Comments on Ness' overperformance? Predictions for Seph/Auron?
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

On a side note: What is the longest a perfect has stayed perfect in any contest?
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

It's not an overperformance, unless overperformance is defined as discussion regulars being blind. Ness is just stronger than people gave him credit, because some people don't want to believe that he's not weak.

Go Ness.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Ness is impressing/surprising us...

Seph should get at least 70% on Auron.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ness vs. Auron - Bracket: Auron - Vote: Ness (50/52)

Saitou7777 lasted til end of Round 3 and Starcraft/WW I believe.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

I think someone stayed perfect until Starcraft/Wind Waker this spring.

And congrats to Ayvuir for the "Getting your 500th post modded" award.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

What is the longest a perfect has stayed perfect in any contest?

A lot longer than where we are.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

I believe Ness would've performed like this in 2k2. Just like bomberman Ness is stronger when theres less casual votes.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

I'm saying that perhaps Dante does better on characters like Ratchet, Ryo and Q-Bert then he would do on a comparably weak Nintendo/Square character.

That's stupid. There hasn't been anything to signify this at all, and Dante is very well-known among more casual people. He's not something only a handful know, even in comparison to the other, more recognizable, characters. There's no reason for him to underperform in these suggested matches.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

And congrats to Ayvuir for the "Getting your 500th post modded" award.

>>XD
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Remind me to wake up to see Dante pwn Tails please people. Not so much for that, more so that I'm awake to see the Ryu-Sora match, the only match prior to MvC3 that might be interesting.
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Jon Thomson - today: Auron, tomorrow: Sephiroth - 44/52
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

If Sephiroth gets 75% on Auron, I would say that he has a decent shot at beating Cloud. Or if he gets Link-like numbers against Vivi.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

I'm looking forward to seeing Dante murder Tails if only because of Hitmanlight's topic about it. ^_^

Oh and because Tails beat Joe. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I believe Ness would've performed like this in 2k2. Just like bomberman Ness is stronger when theres less casual votes.

I don't think so. I think he's always been around this level. He just got SFF'd in his 2k3 match against Bowser, and some people didn't want to think that way for whatever reason. Guys, we just saw Link beat Ganon worse than he beat CATS. SFF can do that.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

That's stupid. There hasn't been anything to signify this at all, and Dante is very well-known among more casual people.

When he underperforms on both Tails and Sonic, I shall have my proof. If he doesn't, then I have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

The ass kicking that Dante will be giving Tails will be nothing but greatness. That's what those awful Sonic characters get.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

He WILL get Link-like numbers against Vivi.

Mind you, he would get Link-like numbers against anyone and anything.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Because there is Ness/Earthbound hate which seems totally unjustified?
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

I think it has to be the system it debuted on, and thus lower sales. Devil May Cry came out in October 2001 and look how Dante performed in 2002. That's why I figured even though Joe sold less, he would muster enough strength to beat Tails. He didn't perform HORRIBLY, but just way under our expectations. I agree that he'll be a lot stronger next year though....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Sure SFF probably exsisted in Bowser and Ness, but how much could their really be? They arn't from the same game, same series, or even the same genre. SFF in the case of those two would be severly limited.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Because there is Ness/Earthbound hate which seems totally unjustified?

I've been on this board since the beginning, back in 2002. Would you believe that I've only met ONE person who had valid reasons for not liking EarthBound? Just ONE?

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

When he underperforms on both Tails and Sonic, I shall have my proof. If he doesn't, then I have no idea what I'm talking about.

He won't underpeform against either, of this I'm positive.

Oh and crack up another 26,000 copies sold for Mega Man Anniversary Collection (GameCube). That brings the total up to 278,400, but I'm lacking the PS2 figures for August so I'll go find those shortly.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

He WILL get Link-like numbers against Vivi.

I meant making Vivi look like Sly Cooper.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

I'm hoping for Clinkeroth like levels for Samus vs Sam. Anything above 75% and I'll be very happy.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Sure SFF probably exsisted in Bowser and Ness, but how much could their really be? They arn't from the same game, same series, or even the same genre. SFF in the case of those two would be severly limited.

Haven't you heard people claim that Ness is more recognized from his appearance in the Smash series? Both Ness and Bowser were regular characters in SSBM. They're both from the same company, Nintendo. I assure you there was quite a bit of SFF going on there.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Oh and crack up another 26,000 copies sold for Mega Man Anniversary Collection (GameCube). That brings the total up to 278,400, but I'm lacking the PS2 figures for August so I'll go find those shortly.

You saw the the console sales as well?

=(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I've been on this board since the beginning, back in 2002. Would you believe that I've only met ONE person who had valid reasons for not liking EarthBound? Just ONE?

*cracks knuckles and goes to a ROM site... ready for his next biased playthru of a game*

XD
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

People are still underestimating Tails... you'll all get the *****-slap of a lifetime if Tails breaks 40%. Cloud/Auron SFF anyone?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

He won't underpeform against either, of this I'm positive.

Sadly, I fear you may be blinded by fanboyism and revenge-voting. DMC 2 made Sonic Heroes look like SSBM or FFVI.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Sure SFF probably exsisted in Bowser and Ness, but how much could their really be? They arn't from the same game, same series, or even the same genre. SFF in the case of those two would be severly limited.

Go back to Part 58 and look at, oh, the 7th page or so, when I made some SFF comparisons. You'd be very foolish to assume that there was no Bowser/Ness SFF after today's results.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Ness probably does get popularity from SSB and SSB:M. But nearly all of Bowser's popularity is most likly from other games. This is why I said there is probably some SFF, but still I think its limited as I doubt Bowser garners many votes from the SSB series.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

People are still underestimating Tails... you'll all get the *****-slap of a lifetime if Tails breaks 40%.

He will not break 40%, will not do it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

And since when is a reason for not liking something valid? Whatever happened to these things called OPINIONS?

...Wait, this is GameFAQs we're talking about. Never mind.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Sadly, I fear you may be blinded by fanboyism and revenge-voting. DMC 2 made Sonic Heroes look like SSBM or FFVI.


Pssh. DMC2 might not have been good, but Sonic Heroes wasn't even awful.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

They arn't from the same game,

Yes they were; SSBM. Chances are if Ness had only been in EB he would be getting blasted right now.
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BtT: 3:55.35 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

I just noticed, tomorrow will be Sephiroth's first SFF match ever (besides Cloud, but I don't think there was much there).

Sephiroth will NOT beat Vivi worse than he did Sly Cooper. Vivi has a real strong fanbase. It's not just the Square factor that got Vivi past DK. If it were up to me, Vivi would win this division. <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Sonic Heroes wasn't even awful.

Sonic Heroes inherent flaw comes from the fact that it followed Sonic Adventure 2, quite possibly the greatest Sonic game ever made, yes, better then Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Sonic 2, take your pick.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

He will not break 40%, will not do it.

I'll hold you to that. If he does, this validates Cloud/Auron SFF, and huge, HUGE Bowser/Ness SFF.

If he gets in the mid-30s though, it's back to square one.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Ness probably does get popularity from SSB and SSB:M. But nearly all of Bowser's popularity is most likly from other games. This is why I said there is probably some SFF, but still I think its limited as I doubt Bowser garners many votes from the SSB series.

You're missing the point. Ness and Bowser both only appear on one company's consoles. Ness made an appearance on the SNES, N64, and Gamecube, while Bowser has been on all of Nintendo's systems.

So then? Who generally likes Ness? Nintendo fans. And who likes Bowser? Nintendo fans. Ness is (unfortunately) most well-known for an appearance in Super Smash Brothers Melee, a game in which Bowser also appeared.

Sounds like SFF to me.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Most legendary villain ever vs. a guy people only know from a cameo in a fighting game.

From that POV, this sounds like the perfect SFF mix.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Let me try to explain the basis for SFF in Ness vs Bowser as easily as possible. Ness is most known for his appearance in SSB/SSBM. Bowser is known to the SSB/SSBM crowd as well as every Mario game ever for the most part. If people who have played SSB/SSBM see Ness vs Bowser, they will probably vote for the guy who they know what game he ORIGINATED in too. Ness' only votes from that match were really Earthbound people.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

People are still underestimating Tails... you'll all get the *****-slap of a lifetime if Tails breaks 40%.

Scary, but it could happen. Consider these two facts...

1) 2002: Tails lost to Alucard with 45.68% of the votes.

2) 2003: Dante is ahead of Alucard by 0.65% in the extrapolated rankings.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

No, Sonic Heroes was just that bad. SA2:Battle IS my favorite Sonic game though. But Sonic Heroes was just too rushed. It's the poorest quality game I have played in a while. I wonder sometimes if it was even TESTED before it was shipped. Have you played against any of the bosses? Can someone please tell me what's going on in the Team Battles? Everytime I win, I wonder how I did it.... And you gotta love just tapping A over and over to the point where you can literally ride ON the Robitnik bosses while hitting them. And I don't even want to start talking about the special stages.... Ugh.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I'd trust Alucard's 2003 ranking, but not his 2002 for well-documented reasons.

He may not get 45%, but if Auron suffered SFF against Cloud, Tails could do great things there.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Sonic Heroes inherent flaw comes from the fact that it followed Sonic Adventure 2, quite possibly the greatest Sonic game ever made, yes, better then Sonic 3 and Knuckles, Sonic 2, take your pick.

Amen....
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 20/20
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Auron, die Ness die *LISTEN TO KOSMO RADIO*

Heh, I'm not sayin' that Tails would get 45% either...but he could very realistically break 40%, and that's something I didn't imagine 'til this argument came up.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

SA2 was a great one, but I don't think I'd put it over Sonic 1 or 2.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

I'll say Tails will get 47% on this. But Sonic will lose to Ryu. FEEL THE WRATH OF TWISTED LOGIC!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Funny that SA2 was the worst game ever before Heroes came out.

I liked both a lot personally.

Yes, despite Shadow virtually starring in both.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Tails breaking 40% would be terrible. >>
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I'll say Tails will get 47% on this.

I pray you wouldn't mean getting 47% on Dante.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

SA2 is that one where you can be the goodies or the baddies right? And you can raise chaos? I liked that one.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

It would be AWESOME. Tails took too much crap these past contests. I hope he takes a gigantic dump on Dante in the opening seconds. ;)
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

I pray you wouldn't mean getting 47% on Dante.

I pray you didn't mean 65% on Tidus.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Unless Auron brings that Ness percentage down, I'm not inclined to think there was much Auron/Cloud SFF, simply because Bowser/Ness becomes abominable. If you have a graphing calculator, graph y = 1.434x. Follow the line. The y values are Auron's values against Cloud, the x values are Ness's. You can see that for there to be even minor Auron/Cloud SFF, there must have been huge amounts of SFF in Bowser/Ness.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Heh.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I hope he continues to take crap and continue to always do terrible, like all Sonic characters should.

I pray you didn't mean 65% on Tidus.

Give me a reason to believe Tails should come close to 47% on Dante and we'll talk.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

That's the frightening thing, there. Scorpion = Ness sounds too far-fetched to be true, yet it's there in front of our eyes.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Funny that SA2 was the worst game ever before Heroes came out.

I liked both a lot personally.

You have sufficiently confused me with this post. You think it is the second worst game of all time, but you like it and the worst?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Tails is a fox with two tails. BAM!

there must have been huge amounts of SFF in Bowser/Ness.

There probably WAS...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I was talking about how everyone hated it, not me.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Tails is a fox with two tails. BAM!

A greater reason to vote Dante over Tails. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

You have sufficiently confused me with this post. You think it is the second worst game of all time, but you like it and the worst?

He was saying that everyone was saying SA2 sucked until SH came about.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Okay. ^_~
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

So uh... what percentage roughly is seph expected to get on vivi tomorrow?
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

There probably WAS...

I'm talking way over 10% for characters that really aren't that similar. This isn't Link/Ganondorf, here. Even if Ness draws a lot of support from SSB/M, it's still insane.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

I remember figuring it to be something like.... 15 or 20% actually. I mean, ALL of Ness' fanbase is from Earthbound except a tiny portion. Did anyone archive the previous... ton of topics? Like, before the contest started.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

So uh... what percentage roughly is seph expected to get on vivi tomorrow?

I'd say around 80%, unless Vivi gets SFF'ed badly.
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BtT: 3:55.35 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Well damn, I'd like to see vivi keep seph to at least a semi respectable level. Is hoping for him to keep seph under 80% to much?
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

Vivi is about the level of Zelda, a 70-30 match.
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Lonely Angel
Summer 2004 Contest Prediction: Match 42: Auron wins 74.13%-25.87%

Vivi is about the level of Zelda, a 70-30 match.

As much as a wish you were right, this match will probably have severe SFF going against vivi.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

It's quite obvious that there was SFF in Ness/Bowser, and a healthy amount of it. So let it be written, and we can move on to other things.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Chances are I'm underestimating him, but I doubt he could score more than 25%. Poor Vivi =(
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BtT: 3:55.35 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Well, it wouldn't have to ALL be SFF. After all, SSBM's sold probably ~1 million copies since last year.

If there was 2.2% SFF in Cloud/Auron (bringing Auron up to 30%), Ness goes up to 21% on Cloud (10.1% SFF against Bowser), and Scorp drops 2.85% to 21.09% on Cloud. Oh, and Jak gets 18.86% on Cloud, between Bomberman and Vyse, and higher than Crash.

See what I mean? Even tiny amounts of SFF for Cloud/Auron bring Ness/Bowser over 10%, and Jak above Crash.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

And what's so hard to believe about that?

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

As I said, I figure there was 15-20% SFF in Bowser/Nesss.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Jak being higher than Crash, mostly. I don't buy into large amounts of SFF either, because if Ness draws on the SSB/M fanbase so much, why don't they stick with him.

Auron being at 30% on Cloud is pretty much the ceiling of believability if you ask me.

By the way, this puts Tails at 21.32% on Cloud and 39.02% against Dante, so we'll see in a couple of days.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Why WOULD they stick with him over Bowser? One would assume that SSB/SSBM fans are generally Nintendo fans. And what is Nintendo's main series? Who? What? Oh that's right, Mario.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Jak being higher than Crash doesn't surprise me at all. Crash isn't exactly a beloved icon. As for the SSBM fans...

The first thing about Smash that appealed to Nintendo fans was their favorite characters fighting it out. Most SSBM players are Nintendo fans. And what's the #1 Nintendo icon? Mario. The villain in the Mario series? Bowser.

It's really not that hard to see. And I don't get what's unbelievable about Cloud/Auron...

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

As I said, I figure there was 15-20% SFF in Bowser/Nesss.

Why WOULD they stick with him over Bowser?

Because Bowser sucks in SSBM? There's no way Ness/Bowser was comparable to Link/Ganondorf in terms of SFF. That would put Jak between Alucard and Yoshi in the XS, by the way.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Because Bowser sucks in SSBM?

Which doesn't matter.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Ugh... Now I have to rehash this argument AGAIN?! They don't vote Bowser because of how useful he is in SSBM, they voted him because they know him from Mario. They vote Ness because they know him in SSB/SSBM. Almost any Nintendo fan would pick Mario over SSBM.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

That would put Jak between Alucard and Yoshi in the XS, by the way.

Let me emphasize that.

That would put Jak between Alucard and Yoshi in the XS

Now do you see why I don't believe it?
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Between Alucard and Yoshi? Bowser and Ness would need to be TIED for that to happen. Ness may have gotten 35% without SFF, maybe a bit higher.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

...How would it do that if it doesn't even put Ness about Alucard?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

SSBM SFF right here boys. Tee-hee!


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1306

Between Alucard and Yoshi? Bowser and Ness would need to be TIED for that to happen. Ness may have gotten 35% without SFF, maybe a bit higher.

And they are, with MasterMage's healthy 20% of SFF for Ness.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

That puts Ness at 44% against Bowser... which puts NESS around Alucard and Yoshi, not Jak.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Oh, and I believe I already said 35% for Ness (10% SFF) is just about the ceiling of believability. Thank you, Slowflake.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

I said 15-20. So 15 then. I think 40 seems possible. Hell, I even think 44 seems possible but I'm sure many would disagree.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

That puts Ness at 44% against Bowser... which puts NESS around Alucard and Yoshi, not Jak.

Bah, you're right, I mistakenly calculated with 48.97% instead of 44.97%.

Anyway, 20% of SFF leaves Jak between Luigi and (unadjusted) Scorpion, which is still way out of his league.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

I'd tend to think 35-37.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Right, and we all know how accurate the stats are, right? </sarcasm>

Anyways, though the amount is debatable, it's obvious there was SFF in Ness/Bowser and that is was enough to surprise most of you here today.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

Eh. 40% it is then.

^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I find it hard to believe that Ness is in the same league as Yoshi.... They both went up against Bowser and Yoshi did comparably better. If Ness goes up, then Yoshi goes up too....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

The way the SFF works in Ness' case is very unique. That is the reason for such a drastic gain.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Bowser/Ness SFF never surprised me. I argued for around 6% back before Ness/Jak. After today, I tend to agree with Slowflake and say 10%, for a 35% total by Ness.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Yoshi has other claims to fame than SSBM though. He's the one big fan-favorite of the Mario series.

Still, I find anything above 40% to be unbelievable. Sure, the match against Scorp suggests that Auron is stronger than Bowser. But 40%?!?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

Samus is a girl. Who's hot.

that's why I said a suited samus, not a nekkid one
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Yeah. 40%!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

RPGuy,
Setting Auron=Tidus 2K3 at 34.25% on Link, and Ness at 35% on Auron, you get Ness at about 24% on Link (slightly below Scorpion). Roughly Felix/Wario/Sam Fisher/Yuna level.

And Jak ends up around Ramza/Ken/unadjusted Sora level.

It means that Ness would've gotten about 39% on Bowser without SFF, and that he suffered about 36% SFF (equivalent to about a 56% upward move).

I see nothing that hard to believe here.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Yeah. 40%!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!

Says the guy with MC over Frog and Ryu over Sonic.

Well, maybe I shouldn't talk. Refusing to go against Luigi cost me my chances at the contest.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

See?! SEE!?! 40%!!!

CN, did you archive all these topics?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Says the guy with MC over Frog and Ryu over Sonic.

Well, maybe I shouldn't talk. Refusing to go against Luigi cost me my chances at the contest.

Damn straight you shouldn't talk. *smacks j00 in t3h face*

What I don't get is, poking fun at me over Ryu over Sonic works but MC over Frog wasn't exactly a bad choice.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I would think that Yoshi suffers from SSF against Bowser more than Ness. SSB and SSBM is the only thing Bowser and Ness share in common. Otherwise, Ness has a separate fanbase.

With Yoshi it's different. Everywhere that Yoshi has been, Bowser has too.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

CN, did you archive all these topics?

Yeah. I'll try to put them up more regularly in the future. (key word being "try")
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

RPGuy,
Setting Auron=Tidus 2K3 at 34.25% on Link, and Ness at 35% on Auron, you get Ness at about 24% on Link (slightly below Scorpion). Roughly Felix/Wario/Sam Fisher/Yuna level.

And Jak ends up around Ramza/Ken/unadjusted Sora level.

It means that Ness would've gotten about 39% on Bowser without SFF, and that he suffered about 36% SFF (equivalent to about a 56% upward move).

I see nothing that hard to believe here.

And maybe there isn't. However, I don't think Auron = Tidus, Jak is that much stronger than Crash, or there was that much Bowser/Ness SFF. But maybe that's just me.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Yoshi? Hell no. His ranking predicted Yoshi/Luigi almost to perfection.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

I would think that Yoshi suffers from SSF against Bowser more than Ness. SSB and SSBM is the only thing Bowser and Ness share in common. Otherwise, Ness has a separate fanbase.

With Yoshi it's different. Everywhere that Yoshi has been, Bowser has too.

Yoshi's fanbase is more apart from Bowser though. This is because he has mainstream games that people liked which. Ness has three games really. The only two mainstream ones he shares with Bowser. The last one is almost unknown amongst casuals.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I would think that Yoshi suffers from SSF against Bowser more than Ness. SSB and SSBM is the only thing Bowser and Ness share in common. Otherwise, Ness has a separate fanbase.

That's impossible, since he got 44% on him.

And Yoshi's about 3 points higher than the strength Ness looks to be at (if Auron really does equal Tidus, which he might not). So he's not as likely to suffer SFF anyway.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

However, I don't think Auron = Tidus, Jak is that much stronger than Crash, or there was that much Bowser/Ness SFF. But maybe that's just me.

I also don't think Auron quite equals Tidus, though that's still up in the air, and due to Sephiroth SFF will remain that way.

I see nothing odd about Jak being stronger than Crash though. Crash is a nobody. He has no fanbase.

As for Ness getting 39% on Bowser without SFF, I'd say that's about the high end, but it's definitely possible.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

There's only a couple of days until Tails/Dante, which hopefully resolves this debate. If Tails gets around 40% on Dante, then I'm right and Auron got 2.2% SFF against Cloud and Ness suffered 10% against Bowser.

If something else happens, I'm obviously wrong.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

True, Ness has more room for improvement than Yoshi looking at the scores. My argument was against Ness being AS strong as Yoshi.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Just keep in mind; the more SFF in Bowser/Ness and Cloud/Auron, the higher Tails is expected to get and the stupider we all look for picking Joe over Tails (MasterMage excluded).
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Bah, I still don't think Tails should have won that match but next will have been different...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Yeah, I really thought Joe had Tails beat. That was one match I was very confident about.

Oh well...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ness vs. Auron - Bracket: Auron - Vote: Ness (50/52)

Ness just hit 35%. =D
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Says the guy with MC over Frog

Show some love; he was a perfect that lost a second-round match by seven votes.

Now that we're back on VJ/Tails again...I knew VJ wouldn't do as good against Alucard as Tails did, but I expected Tails to win in a closer match than what went down; I figured it'd be 47-53 up until the day of the match.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

tag
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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Just keep in mind; the more SFF in Bowser/Ness and Cloud/Auron, the higher Tails is expected to get and the stupider we all look for picking Joe over Tails

Heh, I always had confidence in Tails, although that was more me thinking Joe would be weak than anything.

And technically, the higher Tails gets, the smarter you look, because that also makes Joe stronger than he looks. Joe over Tails might end up not being a bad pick, it's just that Tails is way stronger than you expected.

Well, maybe I shouldn't talk. Refusing to go against Luigi cost me my chances at the contest.

Luigi over Yoshi certainly wasn't the dumbest pick to make, mine was much worse. HK over Sora was a pretty pathetic upset special, considering how it ended up going down. I mean, the brackets had more trouble with Dante vs. Q*Bert than they did with this one.

One small 6 hour day of work, and then I finally get a day off from my little marathon.

And though Ness didn't take a 3 second lead, I'm pleased with his performance. You don't have to play Earthbound to love the little guy.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Well, at least this makes me feel a bit better about thinking Jak would beat Ness (though I had Ness on my bracket...I just changed my mind), as I had supposed Jak might be more popular than Crash, and that might be the case, as some of you have already mentioned.

Hm, so if Auron beats Ness with 65%, then Ness would have a value of 20.11%, using Auron's 2002 value. Geez, how could Ness lose more than 7.5% of SFF?! Conker seemed to suffer no SFF against Yoshi (yeah, I know Conker's in a different situation from Ness, but still...) At this point I'll guess that there wasn't ANY SFF in Cloud vs. Auron. I hope that's the case, because then we could use Sephiroth vs. Auron as a reliable source to try and figure out if Sephiroth has a chance against Cloud. :P

For Scorpion vs. Auron, as some of you had hypothesized earlier , maybe there was some of that "badness" SFF in that...you never know.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Bah, it looks like I got bamboozled on both of my first round matches due to a clear underestimation of SFF. Both Jak and Viewtiful Joe could have won their matches if their opponents were around where we actually thought they were and their SFF side effects had been minimal. I have no problem believing Jak is stronger than Crash. He's pretty much supplanted him as the Playstation platformer.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Well, if you live by the stats, you die by the stats. Except if you pick Luigi over Yoshi...damn fanboyism...I like Luigi so much...
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

This kicks ASS. I just spoke with CJayC himself on AIM. Apparently, there was a problem with all of my games being in stock, so he asked me to pick an alternate for Chrono Cross. My games should be here within a couple of days.

But so what? CJayC was hoping to catch little ol' ME on AIM =)
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

And you just hit the 3rd match I've missed.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Yeah, and yet I still can't hate, or even dislike, Luigi. He's just too cool, especially with that match pic.

Anyway, Ness continues to stay in front of 35%, despite the fact that the night vote should be favoring Auron. I really want to see Tails/Dante, now, so we can see how this whole mess plays out.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Hm.. I figured Auron would have done better with this match... He's under 65% now and still falling.. I think... Not checking lately.. I figured he would at least get 68% on Ness.. Maybe I have underestimated Ness all these times.. But the little guy is pretty cool except in SSB & SSBM.. =/

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

I hope Tails does well against Dante, and that Sonic breaks 60% on Ryu. That could make up for some other errors I've made.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

I think we have a chance to see both of those happening.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

"People are still underestimating Tails... you'll all get the *****-slap of a lifetime if Tails breaks 40%."

Not I. I know where Tails stands, without doubt, and I won't be surprised by what he does... of course, Dante still has the match won, so nothing to worry about.
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"And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist"." - Slowflake

Unfortunately before those two matches happen, I have to see Vivi get slaughtered by Sephiroth tomorrow. It's gonna be sad to see Vivi with only around 25% next to his name.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

I don't buy into the Sonic characters are stronger thing. I still think Ryu will hit mid 40's against Sonic and Tails won't hit 40% on Dante. Knux and Shadow haven't exactly convinced me that Sonic is on the rise.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

I hope Tails does well against Dante, and that Sonic breaks 60% on Ryu. That could make up for some other errors I've made.

Neither of those shall be happening. Tails will not break 40% and Sonic will not break 60%. No need to describe how horrid a sight that would be.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

"I see nothing that hard to believe here."

Neither do I.
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"And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist"." - Slowflake

Yeah, there's no need to describe it because it wouldn't be horrid.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

"I see nothing that hard to believe here."

Neither do I.

"Says the guy with MC over Frog

Show some love; he was a perfect that lost a second-round match by seven votes."

Not to mention low blows like that aren't necessary at all right now.

"But so what? CJayC was hoping to catch little ol' ME on AIM =)"

Did ya tell him about my SpC2k5 idea? If not, you suck :P
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"And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist"." - Slowflake

"Says the guy with MC over Frog

Show some love; he was a perfect that lost a second-round match by seven votes."

Not to mention low blows like that aren't necessary at all right now.

I was joking with the poor guy. He's got a better score than me, anyway.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

XD

Thanks for the defense guys but I knew he was just playing around.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yeah, there's no need to describe it because it wouldn't be horrid.

Anytime Sonic characters do well and/or win it's a bad day.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

For the remainder of this contest, I agree with HM on the issue of sonic characters.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"I was joking with the poor guy."

Fair enough then. I was only scanning the topic anyway, so I had no time to decide tone of "voice".
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"And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist"." - Slowflake

Do people seriously think Ryu is going to beat Sonic?
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

How about you all shut it with your Sonic hate.

Well, excluding Tails. Express your hate for him as much as you please. ^_^
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ness vs. Auron - Bracket: Auron - Vote: Ness (50/52)

Ya know, for as much as I hate the 3D Sonics I can't hate the old ones or the characters... but since the only time any Sonic characters will win from now on is Sonic over Ryu and Dante I agree that it will be a bad couple of days.
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"And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist"." - Slowflake

Do people seriously think Ryu is going to beat Sonic?

I seriously hope so.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yeah, me too, especially those who have between 50-52 points.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Yeah, me too, especially those who have between 50-52 points.

Huh?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Huh?

Well, it'd be nice to move up in the rankings from other people's stupid mistakes, is what I'm saying...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Well, it'd be nice to move up in the rankings from other people's stupid mistakes, is what I'm saying...

Are you calling my decision stupid?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I don't see Ryu beating Sonic.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Are you calling my decision stupid?

If you picked Ryu over Sonic, then yes.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

If you picked Ryu over Sonic, then yes.

Care for a sig bet?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Let's just say Ryu over Sonic is not the smartest upset pick in the world.

Then again, Seph over Cloud isn't a smart one either. =P
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ness vs. Auron - Bracket: Auron - Vote: Ness (50/52)

Care for a sig bet?

Certainly, though I'd hardly call it a "bet"...I'd call it you volunteering yourself to be humiliated at my hands.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Well niether was Master Chief over Frog. Until he came 7 votes away.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Then again, Seph over Cloud isn't a smart one either. =P

I'd say it's the best meaningful (i.e. worth big points) upset to bet on.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Certainly, though I'd hardly call it a "bet"...I'd call it you volunteering yourself to be humiliated at my hands.

Heh. It'll be fun to watch you eat your words.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Let's just say Ryu over Sonic is not the smartest upset pick in the world.

Then again, Seph over Cloud isn't a smart one either. =P

Much smarter than Ryu over Sonic.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Heh. It'll be fun to watch you eat your words.

The bet is on, then. I'll try to come up with something good for your sig.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

So how long? Two weeks starting the day after the Ryu vs Sonic is done?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

So how long? Two weeks starting the day after the Ryu vs Sonic is done?

Sure.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Heh. We got a same time post about the bet. You of course realize that this means you have no chance to win, right?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, Ryu over Sonic is dumb IMO.

And Seph over Cloud...well, it is worth alot of points, but there's no chance of hell of it happening. So bye-bye bracket.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ness vs. Auron - Bracket: Auron - Vote: Ness (50/52)

Heh. We got a same time post about the bet. You of course realize that this means you have no chance to win, right?

This is, by far, the lowest-risk sig bet I've ever taken.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Well niether was Master Chief over Frog. Until he came 7 votes away.

1) I've backed ya on that pick before, no shame in that. If I could have changed my pick the day before the match, I would have.

2) Nobody had numbers to back up their blind Frog-fanboyism (that's the first time I've said fanboy in, well, a long long time), and many refused to look past MC's less-than-impressive win over Felix to give him a chance.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

This is, by far, the lowest-risk sig bet I've ever taken.

I was going to say the same thing. About me though. Cause saying it about you would be stupid. Yeah.... Yep.
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Becky, you shoudl force him to put something in regards to us in your sig. We're the best couple on the site, after all =)
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And Seph over Cloud...well, it is worth alot of points, but there's no chance of hell of it happening. So bye-bye bracket.

There's plenty of chance of it happening. It wouldn't take much to disrupt the delicate balance between Cloud and Sephy. I wouldn't say it's the most likely result, but I'm in Canada, anyway, so what the hell?
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Well niether was Master Chief over Frog. Until he came 7 votes away.

I just have to comment whenever I see that, but unfortunately, or maybe fortunately for bracket purposes, master chief will be underestimated again, just because he didnt make it through. I'm hoping that Frog does really well against snake now, just to make mc look better. As for Ryu over Sonic, probably not, but its not a bad upset pick, I wouldn't take it, but eh, you have to take some risks somewhere.
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Becky, you shoudl force him to put something in regards to us in your sig. We're the best couple on the site, after all =)

Sure, if I (or you) can come up with anything good.
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

I took like 3 risks the whole contest. Tails over Joe, MC over Frog, and Ryu over Sonic.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

One out of three isn't bad...oh wait, it is, when the only winner is worth only one point.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Heh. You seriously think you have a chance to WIN this bet? I come from the future, and I know Ryu wins. All thanks to my army in fact.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And my army is only 10 people to boot.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Heh. You seriously think you have a chance to WIN this bet? I come from the future, and I know Ryu wins. All thanks to my army in fact.

I'm Queen ***** of the Universe. I have an army far superior to (or at least well-balanced with) your pitiful Terran regiment.
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

One out of three isn't bad...oh wait, it is, when the only winner is worth only one point.

I don't think MC should even be included V_V; Stupid 7 votes...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Terran? Who the hell said anything about TERRAN?!?! Protoss is far superior in every way to all.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I don't think MC should even be included V_V; Stupid 7 votes...

I would have liked to see MC win, myself.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

I wouldn't say it's the most likely result, but I'm in Canada, anyway, so what the hell?

Wait, Ulti won the spring contest, so he must live somewhere eligible.

And you're his wife, but you live in Canada and are ineligible?

I don't quite get it...

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Terran? Who the hell said anything about TERRAN?!?! Protoss is far superior in every way to all.

No no no. The beauty of Starcraft is in how well-balanced it is. And you're a Terran; therefore, your army is Terran. Stupid Terran, doesn't even know what race he is...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Well, it'd be nice to move up in the rankings from other people's stupid mistakes, is what I'm saying...

So that's why I didn't change my bracket! I was being controlled by my Queen. ;_;

*sobs*
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Wait, Ulti won the spring contest, so he must live somewhere eligible.

And you're his wife, but you live in Canada and are ineligible?

I don't quite get it...

I had to move back to Canada (I'm a dual citizen) to get a job so we could make ends meet, what with the job crisis in the US and all :(
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

And you're his wife, but you live in Canada and are ineligible?

I don't quite get it...

lol
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sidharta - Board marriage, silly =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So that's why I didn't change my bracket! I was being controlled by my Queen. ;_;

*sobs*

Sucker.
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

oh mumei, smitelf was having fun lol
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No no no. The beauty of Starcraft is in how well-balanced it is. And you're a Terran; therefore, your army is Terran. Stupid Terran, doesn't even know what race he is...

HAHAHAHA! See here's your problems. A) You assumed I was a human!! This is laughable in and of itself so excuse me for a moment. HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Now, B) You have been fooled into thinking it is all balanced while my 10 person army can easily wipe out a massive regiment of zerg given the proper cliff. And we have two days to warp in more warriors. You have no chance.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

zerglings*

Even us protoss make spelling errors that should be fixable via edit technology >>;
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I know she was. I posted before I saw her message, anyway.


Sucker.

DIIIIEE!!

*is consume'd*

...Damn
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

sidharta - Board marriage, silly =P

Damn if I know such a thing could exist...

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

haha, i know mumei, just having fun : )

board marriages, that recalls offseason memories...
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HAHAHAHA! See here's your problems. A) You assumed I was a human!! This is laughable in and of itself so excuse me for a moment. HAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Only a Terran could be foolish enough to choose Ryu without being forced to by my mind control.

Now, B) You have been fooled into thinking it is all balanced while my 10 person army can easily wipe out a massive regiment of zerg given the proper cliff. And we have two days to warp in more warriors. You have no chance.

Ahem, I don't think you quite get this. I am Queen ***** of the Universe, i.e. the Queen of the Zerg. I have a far greater army than some little Terran nobody. I already have countless thousands of Zerg and Infested Terrans under my command. That warp of yours is going to have to work overtime.
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Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

For a queen, you have some serious problems spelling "protoss".
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

The fact that I'm one of the members of that army ensures the oppositions loss.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

That's right. My army has two HEROES! You are but one hero (by Starcraft's terms). Therefore, you can't win.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

For a queen, you have some serious problems spelling "protoss".

I have no trouble at all spelling Terran, Terran.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Eh, I'm out. This is just a little too crazy for me.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ness vs. Auron - Bracket: Auron - Vote: Ness (50/52)

That's right. My army has two HEROES! You are but one hero (by Starcraft's terms). Therefore, you can't win.

I'm Queen ***** of the Universe. It's like being Captain Jack Sparrow. It means I kick the ass of everyone else in my universe.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Do you honestly think you could take on both Tassadar and Zeratul at once?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Do you honestly think you could take on both Tassadar and Zeratul at once?

Sure, with my countless thousands of Zerg/Infested Terrans by my side. And they would be by my side...I'm no fool.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

*blink*

*bliiiink*

*Psionic Storm*
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Okay, I should have hit the sack half an hour ago...g'nite, all. I shall wake up to the delightful sight of Vivi getting completely pwned.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Night. I have to do homework now anyway. It was fun ^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Okay, I should have hit the sack half an hour ago...g'nite, all. I shall wake up to the delightful sight of Vivi getting completely pwned.

...

You and your horrible hatred of FFIX. You love FFIX and Vivi deep down, I just know it. =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

CARRIER HAS ARRIVED!!

...Wait, she left? Damn...
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BtT: 3:55.35 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Ness is below 35% again. :(
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

No. ;_:

Well Ness did own the spread, did he not?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Anytime Sonic characters do well and/or win it's a bad day.

Strange, I seem to remember you cheering for Knuckles.

He doesn't like Kefka at all.

>_> <_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I find it hard to believe that ness is as strong as scorpion.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 38/43. Points: 48/54 GO SEAHAWKS
Future predictions: Sephiroth

Why? They're both popular characters from fighting games. They have a lot in common.

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*is Lucid Faia*
Cunning, Baffling, Powerful. Vigorous, irresistable. Dominating, Invincible. Overwhelming, Unquenchable.

No, that's pretty much all they have in common.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

That's all they really need in common.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Auron fell back under 65%. Neither character seems to be taking advantage of the night vote.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Score-Brackets-% Right
52----5--------100.0000000
51----81-------100.0000000
50----161------95.6521739
49----248------97.1774194
48----310------93.8709677
47----381------87.9265092
46----513------78.7524366
45----741------79.3522267
44----1091-----71.2190651
43----1351-----72.6128793
42----1890-----66.5608466
41----2234-----62.1307073
40----2728-----59.7873900
39----2909-----56.2392575
38----2981-----53.9751761
37----2778-----52.4838013
36----2579-----48.7010469
35----2144-----46.8750000
34----1911-----43.2234432
33----1523-----42.4819435
32----1132-----39.9293286
31----859------37.8346915
30----660------33.1818182
29----523------29.8279159
28----386------31.0880829
27----261------26.8199234
26----195------27.1794872
25----151------23.8410596
24----97-------28.8659794
23----76-------22.3684211
22----56-------16.0714286
21----32-------28.1250000
20----27-------18.5185185
19----15-------6.6666667
18----10-------10.0000000
17----4--------0.0000000
16----6--------16.6666667
15----2--------0.0000000
14----4--------0.0000000
13----3--------0.0000000
12----5--------20.0000000
11----5--------0.0000000
10----9--------11.1111111
9-----7--------0.0000000
8-----11-------27.2727273
7-----10-------0.0000000
6-----15-------0.0000000
5-----19-------5.2631579
4-----30-------6.6666667

Nobody with a score of 3 or lower got the match right. I don't know why TWO people with a score of 4 got this match right. The top two tiers got the match perfect. The three below them averaged about 95%. Once again nobody fell from the Top 50. We'll probably see some significant changes after Sonic's battle tommorow.
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From: MasterMage119 | Posted: 9/13/2004 11:14:11 PM | Message Detail
Terran? Who the hell said anything about TERRAN?!?! Protoss is far superior in every way to all.

I'm going to pretend that this post never existed.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I would hope, but SFAC seems to be what some people are hoping as the KHF this year.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Terran is the most dominant race in SC. The best players use Terran because of their ability to counter nearly everything. You can go M&M or Machine. Too many ways to kill an opponent.

The best player ever, Lim, aka Slayers_Boxer was nothing but Terran and many followed in his footsteps.

54.43% sided with the Legendary Guardian to make the Sweet Sixteen, decent considering that his fourpack had cult classic Ness and former Elite Eight member Scorpion (every time I type that, a little piece of me dies).

And Sephy's off to a slow start, probably because of the board vote.
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i was under the impression that 6 ling rush was superior to all. /swish
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Even Boxer has been killed by Mass Carriers in the past.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Boxer rarely lost, I think XDS beat him a few times though back in 99 but XDS got the surprise of a lifetime when Larry_The_Weird came out of nowhere and upset him later on in the tourney.

In my eyes, Terran > Protoss > Zerg > Terran

Reasons: Terrans have EMP Shock, which pretty much kills half a Protoss unit's life. It has been proven in the past that a Battle Cruiser > Carrier, so they have the big ship edge. The Ghost's lockdown command is crucial to victory, and the Toss are pretty much all mechanical, so a few ghosts in the bank will stop most assaults. Plus Seige > Reaver.

The Toss's big command is the psi storm, which is adept at killing large groups of enemies clumped together. What is the Zerg all about? Large groups of enemies clumped together. Plus not a single unit is immune on the Zerg side. Same thing with a Reaver's attack, many dead hydras/lings from one blast. A Corsair/Storm combo will basically decimate any air that comes in, leaving no detectors. Defiler issues are negated, as the Toss have shields to stay healthy from the plague's effects, and Zealots are required early on, so they have ground to fight in storms. Finally, arbitors are made for stopping mass units with their freeze, so an entire Zerg army could be wiped out by a arbitor or 2 + a few High Templars.

The Defiler is the true ***** unit of the Zerg against Terrans. His storm by itself negates practically the entire Terran offence. Only bats *which are made sparingly to begin with, as a 1st tier unit* and tanks *splash* can hit ground units. If a base is not choked in, Lings, whatever the burrowed hydras are called, and Ultras can do a lot of damage pretty quickly to ground buildings, plus Hydras can just destroy any air in the vicinity. The Guardian even after the Goliath upgrade is still the best seige unit in the game, especially when paired with Devourers to stop Valkyries. Finally, the big seige units, the tanks, can be destroyed with a simple Spawn Broodling from a queen, which is invaluable when laying a ground seige to the enemy.

I personally believe that Terran = Protoss > Zerg.

I'm just not a very good Zerg player. Doesn't fit my style.

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

I'm bumping this because someone is trying to promote a part 61... O_o
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Vivi 32.17% 1933
Sephiroth 67.83% 4076

Hmm. Does this indicate the existence of reverse SFF, even accounting for Sephiroth increasing percentage as the match goes on, or have I miscalculated somewhere?
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Jon Thomson - today: Sephiroth, tomorrow: Sonic - 46/54
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Well its definately good to see Vivi not being crushed considering who he's up against. Does this make Seph look bad? Or is this all SFF?
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Current SC2K4 Score: 53/54
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Hm.. Vivi is putting up quite a valiant fight against Sephiroth.. Is Sephiroth Underperforming or will the percentage shoots up later pretty quickly during the day time - night time vote?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

I think that Terran has a slight advantage over Zerg, at least when I watch Nada play.

When I watch replays, though, I don't really notice that one side always wins against the other. Well except for Zerg vs. Terran. Terrran seems to have the advantage with mass SV with Irradiate, DM, and M&M. Or at least from what I watch. Sometimes Dark Swarm owns it, but usually the Irradiate and DM screws them over anyway. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Wh...Sephiroth??? Why are you not getting 70% on Vivi? ANSWER ME! Bah...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

and there you have it. it looks like Vivi could very well be number Ten in the X-Stats this year. 31% is quite a bit better than i thought he would do.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

*tag*
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Sephiroth had damn well better make this up during the day. This is downright bizarre. Where's the SFF?
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Maybe FF9 is unique?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Heh, perhaps reverse SFF does exist...or maybe Donkey Kong is stronger than we thought.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

???

In a match between Sephiroth vs. DK it will be more like 75/25 and there was no possible SFF connections. Is this the first case of reverse SFF? so does that mean Vivi takes the number 10 spot unless Cloud beats him to the ground or if Mega Man wins the whole thing?
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Summer 2004 Contest 47/52 Auron vs. Ness

Seeing how Vivi would be expected to get 29% on Sephiroth without any SFF voodoo... if Sephiroth doesn't gain with the day vote, then we've got our first case of reverse SFF ever.

Had I known Vivi could do this... now I feel all the more stupid to have picked DK.

And damn, does this pic of Sephiroth ever suck.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 050/052 - Matches: 40/42 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Auron - Tomorrow: Sephiroth

And damn, does this pic of Sephiroth ever suck.

I was thinking the same thing; methinks Ceej prefers Vivi.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

A thought that occured to me just now: perhaps FF1 didn't break 40% on SMB3 by name recognition alone after all...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Seeing how Vivi would be expected to get 29% on Sephiroth without any SFF voodoo... if Sephiroth doesn't gain with the day vote, then we've got our first case of reverse SFF ever.

Er, i don't think that this confirms reverse SFF. It confirms that some factor is attributing to why our numbers are off, but whether that be Reverse SFF, Donkey Kong grower stronger but losing anyway, Sephiroth dropping slightly, or space aliens, I don't think we can quite be sure.

Regardless, this is interesting. Makes me happy as hell, honestly. It does show once again, however, that Square just doesnt really face SFF compared to Nintendo. Even if this is reverse SFF, its minute, as compared to the thrashings given out earlier in this round.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Meh, all Seph has to do is bring his % up by about a point and a half, which shouldn't be hard to do. After that, he's within the margin of error, meaning no SFF, not reverse SFF.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Then, what happened last year with Auron? Did he grow stronger? Was his performance against Scorpion a fluke? Did Scorpion really go down?

We were all expecting a borefest out of this contest, but it's still full of surprises despite the horridness of the bracket.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Scorpion went down, that's easy to see.
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Points in the S2k4C: 52/54
Next pick: Sephiroth

I expected Sephiroth to be doing better.

Between last night and today I'm just set up for disappointment.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

And tomorrow, too.

MUHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

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Ryu has faced both Samus and Snake, some of the "lesser members" of the noble nine.

And neither have broken 58% on him.

Can Sonic break the trend? Stay tuned!
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Well, I know Sonic will probably win, but when Ryu does far better than most are expecting it'll be a victory. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Something interesting about Auron's matches against non-FF characters (or, as you'd call them, wins):

Vs. Tails: 64.47%
Vs. Scorpion: 64.85%
Vs. Ness: 64.96%

Three wins within a half of a percentage point! Can anyone else claim that?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Knowing you HM, you'll probably make a big story out of the night vote. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if the only lead Sonic had before sunrise was the one that the board vote granted him. But Sonic has a history of being the king of the day vote, and Ryu/SF has been known to completely collapse with it.

So yeah, don't get too excited if it's 50-50 three hours into the match.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Vivi looks like he's dropping now.

Well, it was good while it lasted. But I didn't expect Vivi to put up such a fight.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

I was thinking 78/22 myself
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Summer 2004 Contest 47/52 Auron vs. Ness

And up goes Vivi.

I get the feeling that I can control poll results at will.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

*slips Slow some money*

Make Mario beat Crono

>_>

<_<

*runs*
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Summer 2004 Contest 47/52 Auron vs. Ness

Hey, Slow, my father can do that too. Everytime we play Mario Golf, when he says "Right to the green!", BLAM!, Bunker!.

I told him to say "Frog will win!" He said "Frog will win!"

And his cursing almost worked. Damn.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

I don't need money to make Mario beat Crono. The need of this world for great justice is more than enough.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Hooray for Vivi! I'd love for the little guy to get reverse SFF, even if it makes placing Vivi and DK in the XS rather difficult. Looks like Vivi is going to be pretty high up in the XS, as well, potentially 10th if Mega Man hasn't increased and Ryu doesn't do all that well. Over 30% on Seph is quite admirable, and something I don't think Auron is capable of matching. Speaking of Auron, wait for Tails/Dante and we can sort out the mess that is his four pack.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Slows curse > your fathers curse

by 7 votes
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Summer 2004 Contest 47/52 Auron vs. Ness

240 above me still...grrr peeps need to start making bad picks like NOW!

Nice picture today though...one of the best this contest.

Poor Vivi :(
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 5 SC2K4: 53/56 (Go RYU H!)

So who has the best chance of getting number 10?

I think it will either be Tidus, Vivi and Ryu (If he does really good against Sonic)

anyone else?
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Summer 2004 Contest 47/52 Auron vs. Ness

I think it will either be Tidus, Vivi and Ryu (If he does really good against Sonic)

Well, Zero and Auron are going to get SFF'd, so the only other character that comes to mind is Dante, and that's rather unlikely. It's going to be one of the three you listed, and I'm hoping for Vivi.
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

I guess that's true. Here's what the Top 20 looks like

The Noble 9 will get spots 1-9

Magus got SFF by Crono
Ganondorf got SFF by Link
Shadow lost to Tidus
Zero will get SFF by Mega Man
Aeris Did not attend
Squall will get SFF by Cloud
Bowser got SFF by Mario
Zelda Did not attend
Auron will get SFF by Sephiroth

So that leaves Tidus and Ryu and if we look at 21st place it's Dante and we already know Ryu > Dante.

Now for the new characters that made it to the second round

Frog
Vivi
Ryu H.

unless MC has gone up by alot Frog is gone and Ryu H. is equal to Jill and there's alot of people that could easily beat Jill. And with the performance of Vivi against Sephiroth he's truely a candiate for 10th.

There's also LS who lost in round 1, but he got defeated by Frog.
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Summer 2004 Contest 47/52 Auron vs. Ness

does anybody think that Vivi will go below 30%?
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Summer 2004 Contest 49/54 Sephiroth vs. Vivi

He has been dropping...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hmm, I've been impressed two days in a row from the losers, Ness and Vivi.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Yay, he went back up. He was down to 31.05% when I last looked. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

All this talk before the contest about Vivi being unable to beat DK because people didn't like/know FFIX well enough, and he may put in a better performance against Sephiroth than Auron does.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Noble Nine 2004

1 Mega Man 50%
2 Sephiroth 49.98%
3 Link 49.95%
4 Cloud 49.93%
5 Samus 47.21%
6 Sonic 45.78%
7 Mario 43.67%
8 Crono 43.61%
9 Snake 41.99%
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SC2K4 Score: 52/54
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

All this talk before the contest about Vivi being unable to beat DK because people didn't like/know FFIX well enough, and he may put in a better performance against Sephiroth than Auron does.

Pretty amazing, actually, especially since he caused the biggest upset in the first round.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Wierd lil' question; if the percentages stay exactly the same right now, what would Donkey Kong get against Sly Cooper?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Vivi's hanging in there... geez, Sephiroth's got to be the most inconsistent competitor EVER.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

I never thought Vivi would do this well. I was expecting quite a bit of SFF. =/

But Vivi is doing great. =D

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This is Sephiroth's first SFF match outside of Cloud, and it's still debatable whether there WAS significant SFF in that match.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Maybe with Sephiroth being neither the main character or the hero plays a factor in a SFF match. Cloud looks to benefit from SFF more than he would. Now that I think about it, the only SFF match Cloud has been in besides Sephiroth is Auron, and the jury's out on that one depending on how Auron performs against Sephiroth. Nintendo SFF looks to make a more significant impact so far. If Squall or Auron can pull 30% on Cloud/Seph, then we should be clear on how SFF works within Square. As a matter of fact, I'm beginning to question ANY SFF in Aeris/Sora.

Anyways, totally happy with today's results! Vivi is my FAVORITE post 16 bit FF character. This performance means he is totally legit in this contest. He had BETTER be back next year! RESPECT THE BLACK MAGE!

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

He had BETTER be back next year! RESPECT THE BLACK MAGE!

He needs a better seed though... If he is actually strong enough to get 30-31% on Sephiroth, he deserves better. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah, I'd love to bring up a comment made long ago, just to shove it into people's faces...

"If Vivi didn't make it into the first two contests he's obviously not that strong"

Right.... because we could expend every decent character in the span of two contests. Looks like a lot of people were wrong about Vivi.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

30%? With SFF? Vivi could be on Auron's and Squall's level....

"30%? With SFF? Vivi could be on Auron's and Squall's level...."

Vivi is already on Auron and Squall's 2k3 level if there is no SFF in this match.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Good performance by Vivi, better than just about all of us expected.

Of course, without us expecting SFF, this would be almost spot-on (Sephiroth would be expected to get 70.7%). When the after-school vote comes in, Sephiroth will probably jump to 70%-71%.

And please people, enough about reverse SFF. Even when Seph had only 67% there was still no reason to by shouting about reverse SFF. There is simply ZERO same fanbase factor in this match, at this point in time.

I have no idea why people are so eager to talk about something that has yet to clearly rear its head.

One can speculate that this means the old-school Final Fantasy/Final Fantasy IX fanbase is pretty different from the other modern Final Fantasy fanbase (which people knew anyway, but most didn't expect it to be so extreme as to cause no SFF in this match), or that Sephiroth--perhaps due to being a villain--simply can't take advantage of SFF.

Unless maybe it's "badass" SFF, which I speculated on about Auron earlier. Though it does appear very likely Auron will do significantly better against Sephiroth than against Cloud (unless Auron didn't suffer SFF against Cloud, which is still up in the air).
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Pfsssh.... I thought Magus was enough to prove them wrong. Anyone who says that deserves to be ignored. Look at all the new characters that came last year. With Square and Nintendo, there are MANY characters who would do well. You just can't fit them all....

The whole FFVII cast.... Peach... Shadow...
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

30%? With SFF? Vivi could be on Auron's and Squall's level....

He was already there. Using DK's 2K2 numbers puts Vivi at 29.1% on Link. Auron was at 28.73% last year, Squall was at 31.72%.

Oh, and the Final Fantasy VII/Cloud/Sephiroth hate-base is another reason Sephiroth might not be able to take advantage of SFF as easily as, say, the inoffensive Link.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

i thought most of the people here hated sephiroth and FFVII etc, and that is a vast majority, yet sephys still winning, and the cute little mage Vivi is losing by a considerable margin.... i don understand....
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This winter...Idiocy has a new name...Stay out of the water...For fear of the lies from...HECUBUS - SquirrelMitsurugi

Same fanbase factor, thou'rt a fickle mistress.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Perhaps Seph really can't take advantage of SFF on his opponents. I'd call that more of a strength than a weakness on his part, though, becuase it shows that he can pound practically anyone into the ground based on his loyal fanbase alone. If that's the case, we might be seeing Auron in the #10 spot this year. I'd love to see Vivi there, but with Auron's performance so far if Seph isn't capable of taking much or any SFF on him then Auron may take about 2% more of the vote against Sephiroth than Vivi is.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Oh, and I love the idea that there could be SFF in this match. Imagine this scenario... A new Square character enters the contest. In round one the new character has a first round match against an old standard whose strength we are sure we know. The next round the new Square character faces a well'established Square character and performs almost exactly as suspected against the Square powerhouse, as compared to their first round performance. Upon returning the next year the previously new Square comes back and has a performance making them look vastly stronger than the previous year.

It's happened before.
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And kudos to Chichiri for that little thingy on SS. That's why you people have every right to be "elitist". - Slowflake

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking about Seph. But we can't really tell yet because there hasn't been a heapload of Square SFF in the contests. It doesn't really matter much about Sephiroth beating people on his fanbase alone. He'd beat most people in the contest either way....

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

It's a shame that the next match won't tell us too much about Sephiroth's chances against Cloud unless there is a drastic variation from the expected results (as in Auron getting 35% or Sephiroth getting high 70s). If he pulls right around where he's expected (either at Cloud's SFF numbers or around Auron's adjusted 2004 numbers), then it's still a toss-up.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

I'm honestly becoming convinced that there really wasn't all that much SFF in Cloud VS Auron, and that there's not all that much SFF in Final Fantasy matchups involving different FF games.

Different FF fanbases, different stories make it appeal to different people. Thus, even if there is SFF in Cloud VS Auron, it's very small in comparison to the same-game variation of SFF you see in Crono VS Magus, Bowser VS Mario or the extreme case of Ganondorf VS Link.

Even though Sephy and Vivi appeal to the same general fanbase of Squaresoft fans, there's going to be a group of Square guys who love FF9 and dislike or feel apathetic towards FF7, and a similar (stronger) group who love FF7 and dislike or feel apathetic about FF9. Subsequently, not nearly as much SFF.

The lack of SFF in Auron VS Cloud would, incidentally, make his lackluster results against not-so-powerhouse Ness more feasible.

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

Different FF fanbases, different stories make it appeal to different people.

For the most part, no.

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I am Lucid Faia.

What other explanation is there for the apparent lack of crippling SFF in Auron VS Cloud or Vivi VS Sephiroth?

This isn't even Bowser/Mario or Crono/Magus levels of SFF here. Not even close. Hell, Auron's numbers against Cloud seem very consistent with his contest strength. As are Vivi's current numbers.

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

I wonder how well Sephiroth would do against Auron next match.. Hm.. maybe 65-35?? Impossible right??

This makes me wonder what Cloud would do against Squall also?? .... Today's match is just confusing..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Vivi is definently a great addition to the character battle. Next year if we see a return of Aeris and Zelda, and some nice bracket design, 2k5 could be very difficult to predict. I would say that 2k5's results will have scores equal to or less than 2k3 if cjayc sets things up correctly. Think of the match possibilities...I just might make a bracket later for humor's sake.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Counting on CJayC to make a really difficult bracket is like counting on CATS to show kids basic grammar.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

All your elementary education are belong to us.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Auron's numbers against Cloud seem very consistent with his contest strength.

...Are you sure about that? Scorpion would have been expected to get 43% based on Auron's 2003 numbers and needless to say, he didn't even come close. Also, by 2003 stats, Tails would've been expected to get 41% on Scorpion, yet Auron's performances indicate that they're nearly equal. I don't think that there's another reasonable explanation besides Cloud-Auron SFF because I don't think Scorpion fell by that much or Tails rose by that much.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Also, it pretty much goes without saying that SFF between characters in the same game will be more massive than just being in the same series. Plus, Square SFF doesn't seem to be nearly as extreme as Nintendo's.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Wow . . . just wow. This ****ing rocks! I remember pre-contest I pegged Vivi with 30% on Sephiroth, and of course no one believed me. I don't think I even really believed myself, it was almost all fanboyism. But as Heroic Mario and Megaman vs Tidus can attest to, fanboy dreams can come true. And in this case sure enough they did. Now, I'm almost tempted to cheer on Seph over Cloud and Link, just to see Vivi even higher on the X-Stats then he normally would be.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

bla bla bla... wathever... Sephiroth is winning...
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Sephiroth is gonna win this year.

Oh and I guess I could add Lucid and Ness to the dreams that have come true this contest.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Of course, there's always the possibility that there is significant SFF here, and that Sephiroth just fell a lot in popularity. But I highly doubt that.

All your elementary education are belong to us.

Hah! Good one.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Leonhart, things are starting to look pretty good for our buddy also conveniently named Leonhart, aren't they?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Vivi as number 10?... HAH.

I hope that Cloud beats Sephiroth 55-45 this year...

Extrapolated:

Link: 50%
Cloud: 49.6%
Mega Man: 48.7%
Crono: 48.0%
Mario: 47.9%
Sephiroth: 43.5%
Samus: 38%
Sonic: 37.99%
Frog: 35.78%
Solid Snake: 35.78%
Master Chief: 35.78%

That's how it should be. =)
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Frog beating Snake?

Good freakin' luck.

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

Frog: 35.78%
Solid Snake: 35.78%
Master Chief: 35.78%

Counting on Frog winning by a single vote, are we?

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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I made a possible 2k5 bracket with characters from the past contests. I think that this bracket has a lot of possibilities including many potential upsets in rounds beyond the 2nd which seems to be the limit on upsets for this year. Take a look and give me some feedback please.

Division 1 Interesting Matchups: MC v Tommy, Squall v. Auron, Ryu v. Ramza, Fox v. Vyse, Sonic v. Mario

(1)Sephiroth
(16)CATS

(8)Master Chief
(9)Tommy Vercetti

(5)Auron
(12)Max Payne

(4)Squall Leonhart
(13)Ness

(6)Ryu Hayabusa
(11)Ramza Beoulve

(3)Sonic
(14)Sam Fisher

(7)Fox McCloud
(10)Vyse

(2)Mario
(15)Duke Nukem

Division 2 Intersting Matchups: Scorpion v. Kosmos, Shadow v. Frog, Liquid v. Knuckles, VJ v. JV

(1)Cloud Strife
(16)Ratchet

(8)Scorpion
(9)KOS-MOS

(5)Shadow the Hedgehog
(12)Bomberman

(4)Frog
(13)Wario

(6)Liquid Snake
(11)Knuckles

(3)Ryu
(14)Guybrush Threepwood

(7)Viewtiful Joe
(10)Jill Valentine

(2)Solid Snake
(15)Terry Bogard

Division 3 Interesting Matchups: DK v. Kefka, Aeris v. Zelda, Dante v. Luigi, Magus v. Samus

(1)Link
(16)Kane

(8)Donkey Kong
(9)Kefka

(5)Aeris
(12)Tails

(4)Zelda
(13)Wario

(6)Sora
(11)Luca Blight

(3)Magus
(14)Pikachu

(7)Dante
(10)Luigi

(2)Samus
(15)Conker

Division 4 Interesting Matchups: Tidus v. Zero, Vivi v. Bowser, Kirby v. Yoshi, Megaman v. Crono

(1)Mega Man
(16)HK-47

(8)Alucard
(9)Gordon Freeman

(5)Tidus
(12)Jak

(4)Zero
(13)Ryo Hazuki

(6)Vivi
(11)Pac-Man

(3)Bowser
(14)Lara Croft

(7)Kirby
(10)Yoshi

(2)Crono
(15)Crash Bandicoot

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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Up to SIX votes, actually.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I was thinking he'd win by ten, with a vote total of 140,000 or so. =P

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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Vercetti vs Chief is a good one. Make it round two.

Zero vs Tidus is good, but put it in a different division.

Make Sephiroth a 2-seed and give Mario the 1. Mario deserves it for being the most influential character evar.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

(1)SEPHIROTH
(16)CATS

(8)MASTER CHIEF
(9)Tommy Vercetti

(5)AURON
(12)Max Payne

(4)SQUALL LEONHART
(13)Ness

(6)RYU HAYABUSA
(11)Ramza Beoulve

(3)SONIC
(14)Sam Fisher

(7)Fox McCloud
(10)VYSE

(2)MARIO
(15)Duke Nukem

(1)CLOUD STRIFE
(16)Ratchet

(8)SCORPION
(9)Kos-Mos

(5)SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG
(12)Bomberman

(4)FROG
(13)Wario

(6)Liquid Snake
(11)KNUCKLES

(3)RYU
(14)Guybrush Threepwood

(7)Viewtiful Joe
(10)JILL VALENTINE

(2)SOLID SNAKE
(15)Terry Bogard

(1)LINK
(16)Kane

(8)DONKEY KONG
(9)Kefka

(5)AERIS
(12)Tails

(4)ZELDA
(13)Wario

(6)SORA
(11)Luca Blight

(3)MAGUS
(14)Pikachu

(7)DANTE
(10)Luigi

(2)SAMUS
(15)Conker

(1)MEGA MAN
(16)HK-47

(8)ALUCARD
(9)Gordon Freeman

(5)TIDUS
(12)Jak

(4)ZERO
(13)Ryo Hazuki

(6)VIVI
(11)Pac-Man

(3)BOWSER
(14)Lara Croft

(7)Kirby
(10)YOSHI

(2)CRONO
(15)Crash Bandicoot
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SC2K4 Score: 52/54
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

Frog even being that close to Solid Snake? I really doubt it...
If that's true...:
Mass CARRIERS=StarCraft=Frog=Istant WIN! Oh noes :O
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"Meche" ..."Your name sounds like something Nena would say in "99 Luftballoons" Supporter of Samus in SC2k4!

Frog even being that close to Solid Snake? I really doubt it...

No, the trouble is believing that MASTER CHIEF coudl be that close to Solid Snake. =x
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Vivi vs. Sephiroth

Well, no poll check this morning, so this is the first time I have checked them.

I'm a little surpirsed to see Vivi not getting SFF'd. Vivi should hover around the 30% mark for the remiander of the poll. At first glance, it looks like Seph is looking weak, but I guess he isn't. He's projected to get what, 70 something percent on Vivi? Wow, I guess Vivi and DK are stronger than I thought.

Another thing to think about. This is the first Final Fantasy SFF match in the Contest thus far. Right now, I'm not seeing any SFF...think Squall and Auron can save themselves from an SFF whooping next round?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ness vs. Auron - Bracket: Auron - Vote: Ness (50/52)

I believe Vivi could have went very far if not for an early match with Sephy.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

No, the trouble is believing that MASTER CHIEF coudl be that close to Solid Snake. =x

Hush with that talk; first, it was ideas of Frog beating Solid Snake for an upset special while completely over-lookin' MC. Then, when Frog barely beat Liquid Snake, there was talk about how Liquid would easily dispose of Master Chief. Now, when Frog beat MC by seven votes (even closer than Frog/Liquid), it's deemed troubling if anyone thinks Frog could get close to Snake because it would make Master Chief about equally as close.

MC's the clone of Tidus behind some green armor.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

MC's the clone of Tidus behind some green armor.

Nice analogy. And Vivi's still above 30%, and I do think he'll be better off than Auron this year. Still waiting on Tails/Dante...40% for Tails...
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

Oh, and I think I had Vivi pegged at hitting 27% in this match without SFF, so I'm very pleased that the little black mage is exceeding expectations.

And did Slowflake admit to the BMF a couple of pages back?
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Current Pick: Auron; Current Vote: Ness; Points: 49/52

I kinda doubt that Frog would do as well as Knuckles did to Snake, but, I could be wrong.
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SC2K4 Score: 52/54
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

Bah, just found out that I'm going to miss Sora/Ryu. Only close match left in second round. Still Ryu shouldn't have to much trouble though I think.
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46/46 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Frog over Solid is obviously a joke now, but I sincerely wish that it would happen. If it did, I honestly think I would win the SC2k4.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

This match perfectly shows exactly why Sephiroth wont be getting past Cloud this year.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 51 of 54
Next Match: Sephiroth vs. Vivi

So yeah, don't get too excited if it's 50-50 three hours into the match.

That would make me happy for numerous reasons. One, Sonic gets what he deserves and two there's no way I'll believe him gaining enough to get Ryu out of a good percentage.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

This match perfectly shows exactly why Sephiroth wont be getting past Cloud this year.

What, because he does exactly as well as you should expect him to do?
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

My little guess:

Sonic: 61%
Ryu: 39%
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Sephiroth will win, don't worry.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Ludwig: Care for an account bet? This is my only account now after I suicided the other.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Just like how he won last year, right?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (52/54)

Man, I was really wanting Sephiroth to do better. Simply because I prefer him to Vivi, but alas this division hasn't gone well for me at all...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Sephiroth should never beat Cloud. Never.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I kinda doubt that Frog would do as well as Knuckles did to Snake, but, I could be wrong.

This brings up an interesting point since I agree (Frog isn't Aeris, this was proven when he faced MC and will be proven again when he faces Solid Snake); is it possible that Master Chief didn't improve at all? According to the extrapolated, Knuckles would have gotten 25.62% against Cloud last year while Master Chief would have gotten 25.31%, just a lil' lower. Aeris got 43.46% on Solid Snake in 2002, then Aeris got 60.15% on MC last year. Frog got 50.00% on MC and beat him by seven votes not even a week ago, and the only real reason any of us had to believe MC increased is because of Halo 2 hype, so he couldn't have changed much. It's very possible that Frog doesn't break 40%, which would rank Knuckles ahead of Frog/MC/Liquid.

Imagine the chances of that.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Cloud wins.
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54/54 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Ludwig: Care for an account bet?

No, sorry. This account precious to me, and I wouldn't bet it on anything- not even a Gordon Freedman vs. Cloud match. I still think Sephiroth will win, though.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Sephiroth will win, I bet Cloud would do just as good, if not worse against Vivi. >.>
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 22/22
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Sephiroth, 3 matches away... *LISTEN TO KOSMO RADIO*

Okay, I understand that you won't bet your account.

How bout a month-long sig bet? I am very confident in Sephiroth losing to Cloud.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

XTN: How bout you?
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

no, sorry, I like my sig too. I am, however, confident in Sephiroth. The anti vote against Cloud will be more than you know.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

I might be interested in a month long sig bet in Seph vs. Cloud. I happen to also be one of the few that thinks Sephy will win.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Capt Flufflez: I'll take you on, though I feel it's a bit of an unbalanced bet considering that Cloud is the heavy favorite. But if you think Sephiroth will win, LET'S DUEL!

Ludwig: If Cloud beats Sephiroth, consider yourself pwnt.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

The anti vote against Cloud will be more than you know.

Oh no....NOT THE DREADED NON-EXISTANT ANTI-VOTE! We must all fear for our lives! RUN!
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (52/54)

Frog over Solid is obviously a joke now, but I sincerely wish that it would happen. If it did, I honestly think I would win the SC2k4.

Whats wrong with u fools? It is the destiny of Frog to shock all you Solid Snake bandwagoners. Frog's narrow defeats of Liquidity and Da Chief have lent total credence to this theory. John Nash himself has endorsed it! In the end, all my calculations have come up with the Theory of Frogability:

F > L = S

If every Square Enix/FF/Chrono/RPG fanboy and fangirl looks into their heart and stays true to their genre they love, then Frog cannot fall to Snake.

And when it happens...I guarantee a top ten finish for the satirical one :) And every last guru, elite, and expert will line up for a chance to kiss my ...! :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 5 SC2K4: 53/56 (Go RYU H!)

Steve, you and I will be tied at the end of the contest. I have Sora, Frog, Crono, Cloud, and Link.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

F > L = S

SYNTAX ERROR'D
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (52/54)

Frog beating Snake cannot happen, as sad as it is.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Ok, Sep. 29th is the Cloud v. Sephiroth match. So the loser has the wear the sig until October 29th. I'm up for any sig that doesn't violate TOS. If I win yours will read:

Mass Carriers is to Zergling as CaptainFlufflez is to me. I got 00b3r pwn'D!

sound good?

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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Steve, you and I will be tied at the end of the contest. I have Sora, Frog, Crono, Cloud, and Link.

Sora? Sorry but I have Ryu... :)

As for my Final Four: Link, Mega Man, Cloud and Samus :) The preferred choices of elites everywhere on this thread :)

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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 5 SC2K4: 53/56 (Go RYU H!)

Oh no....NOT THE DREADED NON-EXISTANT ANTI-VOTE! We must all fear for our lives! RUN!

Non-existant? I think not. There will be many who will anti-vote Cloud because they won't want to see the same chapmion. Also, those who like FF seven will vote for Sephiroth so that their game can have two winners.

Oh, and if Cloud does win, I win consider myself pwnt, but if it's the other way around...
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

So...it's like Cloud beat Link because enough people anti-voted him because they didn't want to see a repeat champ?

Eh, say what you want, it ain't gonna happen.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (52/54)

So...it's like Cloud beat Link because enough people anti-voted him because they didn't want to see a repeat champ?

Actually, yeah, it's just like that. I don't know for certain it will happen, but that's what I think. You wouldn't mind a friendly reminder of this conversation if Sephiroth does win, would you? (if so just go ahead and say so, I don't you to think me arrogant if the time comes)
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Repeat after me: The average voter is an idiot. They have no idea who won last year. There's no such thing as anti votes.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

Any anti-voter that comes by will be compensated by an extra bracket vote. Mark my words.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Will FF fans want to see a repeat champion themselves or will they want to establish a dynasty of FF characters who have won the contest? I think that the anti vote does exist, at least a little, and that combined with a new direction for FF fans, will create a strong support of Sephiroth. He only lost by what? 6000 votes last year? And that was in a big vote total match. There will be at least 10K less votes in the match this year and less support for Cloud. Anything can happen. No one will bring in more than 54%.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Will FF fans want to see a repeat champion themselves or will they want to establish a dynasty of FF characters who have won the contest?

What did I say? Oh, right. The average voter is an idiot. There's no such thing as anti votes.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

A dynasty? After Cloud and Seph, who would be left? TIDUS?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Any anti-voter that comes by will be compensated by an extra bracket vote. Mark my words.

true, but by the time the match rolls around, I would think that many brackets would already be destroyed so there wouldn't a lot of bracket votes.

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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

The average voter is an idiot.

Not an idiot, they just don't follow the contest heavily. Calling them idiots is too harsh.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

Dude, a ton of the brackets have Cloud winning it all, there brackets are definately not destroyed.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (52/54)

Any anti-voter that comes by will be compensated by an extra bracket vote.

I believe Slow's point is that both factors are so minute and worthless that they'll completely cancel each other out. And if that wasn't Slow's original intent, it's my point now.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

Leonhart, things are starting to look pretty good for our buddy also conveniently named Leonhart, aren't they?

I can only hope.

A dynasty? After Cloud and Seph, who would be left? TIDUS?

If everything goes as well as Square hopes, perhaps Vincent.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

After Cloud and Seph, who would be left? TIDUS?

*points to today's poll*

*runs*
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Not an idiot, they just don't follow the contest heavily. Calling them idiots is too harsh.

It's not too harsh, after all, Vivi's only at 30%. He should be much, much higher. Anyway, my point was that, indeed, they don't follow the contest.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

Calling them idiots is too harsh.

*cough*

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1752

And yes RPGuy, that's what I meant.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Vivi, where would he rank on the FF tier anyway?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (52/54)

No idea. Lower than Tidus and Aeris is practically a guarantee, but Squall and Auron are still major unknowns.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Vivi, where would he rank on the FF tier anyway?

If he can pull 30% on Seph he's gotta be up there. Around Squall/Aeris, I'd say.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

From the looks of things, Vivi ranks pretty highly on the FF ladder. Perhaps today isn't Sephiroth's inability to get SFF, but rather Vivi's inability to be SFF'd.

I sincerely hope that this disproves the theory that the main character of the game is the most popular, or that would make Zidane a powerhouse.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

My best guess would be:

1. Cloud
2. Sephiroth
3. Tidus
4. Squall
5. Aeris
6. Vivi
7. Auron
8. Kefka

Of course, 3-7 are wicked close.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

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I sincerely hope that this disproves the theory that the main character of the game is the most popular, or that would make Zidane a powerhouse.

ROFL, I would kill to see Ziddy in the contest. He'd be even more underestimated here then Tidus.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Add
9. Yuna
10. Ramza
11. Sora...ish

They're fairly close together, too.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

He should be much, much higher.

Sephiroth is the one who should be higher. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I'd rank Yuna and Sora above Kefka. Sorry.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

I think Zidane could do well here, but it would not sit well for me if he had to be stronger than Vivi by virtue of being the main character because that would practically guarantee that he would be stronger than Squall.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Plus, stronger than Tidus by anything remotely significant = Noble Nine.

Ouch.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Seeing Ziddy beat Squall would be kinda funny. Yeah, when it comes to upsets like that, I'm about as loyal as Heroic Mario is to Mario.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I like Zidane and all. I think he's an underrated FF hero, but I don't think he deserves to beat Squall.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Dudes, it's really like this:

In 2K5 this will be FF character strength:

1: Cloud
1: (tie) Sephiroth
3: Aeris
4: Any other FF7 character popular enough to get into the contest (Tifa? Vincent? My beloved Nanaki? Cid?)
5: Tidus
6: Squall
7: Auron
7: (tie) Vivi
8: Sora
9: Yuna
10: Kefka
11: Ramza


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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

Sephiroth is the one who should be higher. ;)

Some two bit pretty boy villain over a lovable black mage? What are you, nuts? :p

I'd rank Yuna and Sora above Kefka. Sorry.

Granted, Yuna did better on Knux than Kefka, but only slightly, and if you willing to believe Pac Man fell abysmally and Snake is unchanged, then Knux is stronger this year and Kefka > Yuna. Of course, this is pre FFX-2 and it's really, really close anyway.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

Anybody that thinks Zidane would be close to Vivi in terms of popularity is either clueless or delusional.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

I would take post FFX-2 Yuna over Kefka in a heartbeat.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Oh, and the reason why Aeris and the other FF7 characters get the oh-so predictable boost starts with "Advent" and ends with "Children."

Hell, I'm unfortunately half convinced that nearly ANY FF7 character out there that's in AC will be able to stomp the crap out of its FF competition. SFF will start favoring FF7 bigtime.

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

While I agree that Squall is better then Zidane, seeing Zidane win a match here would result in so much whining, plus Squall has seen the Sweet Sixteen twice, time to let some other FF characters have a go-around.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Some two bit pretty boy villain over a lovable black mage? What are you, nuts? :p

Heh. Nothing against Vivi, and he's actually cool, but if it's possible I like Sephiroth better. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

time to let some other FF characters have a go-around.

Auron's reaching the Sweet Sixteen this year. Isn't that good enough for you?
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

I'd definitely take Yuna over Kefka.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Next year will be Zelda 10 vs. Advent Children, it's been the popular train of thought ever since E3.

Maybe if Samus can do some damage this year, Metroid Prime 2 will have its word to say, too.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

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Next year will be Zelda 10 vs. Advent Children, it's been the popular train of thought ever since E3.

Under the assumption that Zelda 10 is actually released before/during the contest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

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Nah, I'm not an Auron fan at all. Much rather see Rikku, Ziddy, Vincent, Celes, Locke, etc. (All people with potential)
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Barring any delays of course.

Cloud wants them. Badly. Mass delays = instant win.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Don't forget. In 2005, Zelda 10 will be released and it will give Link a boost, so Zelda 10 and FF7:AC will cancel each other out.
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SC2K4 Score: 52/54
Today's Pick: Sephiroth

Anybody that thinks Zidane would be close to Vivi in terms of popularity is either clueless or delusional.

I seem to recall a certain someone before the contest saying something similar to that because I thought Vivi could be close to Auron in terms of popularity.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Barring any delays of course.

A Zelda game without delays? Impossible. Ocarina of Time was delayed by at least a year and a half.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

actually isn't metroid prime two this christmas? or closer anyone than AC and Link's game?

Personally, and unfortunately, if Link's game came out in June and the summer contest started on time, well...I don't know if he could have the maximum bounce he could if he had more time. Like Samus does, unless I just thought that up in my head, which is more than possible. and for ac, I'll wait till it hits the world to see how big it is. I mean, I just don't think a movie could do for Cloud what a game would do for Link.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

I seem to recall a certain someone before the contest saying something similar to that because I thought Vivi could be close to Auron in terms of popularity.

It certainly wasn't me.

My statement still stands, and I question the sanity of anyone who thinks it untrue.
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In America, men flirt with women. In Shinra Midgar, Don Corneo flirts with YOU!
SC2K4.com/Frog

closer anyway that is
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

What about Wind Waker? Any info on that?

Besides, it's not like Nintendo cares or even knows about this contest anyway. As long as I get my Zelda 10, I'm happy. Plus, Nintendo's no Blizzard when it comes to delays.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

No, it wasn't you, but I think he knows who he is.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Plus, Nintendo's no Blizzard when it comes to delays.

True, but the never do seem to release games on time, especially when that time is given a year in advance. And I can't remember about WW, actually, though something tells me it was supposed to be a Christmas release, but was pushed back due to Prime being pushed back. I could very well be wrong on that, though.
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Current Pick: Sephiroth; Current Vote: Vivi; Points: 51/54

You know what match I'm already looking forward too in 2k5? KOS-MOS vs Viewtiful Joe. I'm expecting them to be pretty close on the X-Stats this year, and with both expecting new games between now and 2k5, I'd expect a good match between them if they were to fight.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Cloud wants them. Badly. Mass delays = instant win.

I would bank on putting Cloud down as the winner before I would Link. Honestly, from what I know of Nintendo they aren't releasing something this big during the summertime. Mark your calendars for a holiday season release.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

You know what match I'm already looking forward too in 2k5? KOS-MOS vs Viewtiful Joe.

I'd take Joe without thinking. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

KOS-MOS and Joe close in the rankings? Good grief, either Sonic is going to blow the hell out of Ryu, or Tails will give the fight of a lifetime against Dante.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

There's a lot of decisions you could make without thinking. Whether you're right or not is another matter entirely.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Weird, I'd pick KOS-MOS for such a match right now,
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

People are forgetting about the GBA Zelda game coming out this winter: The Minish Cap. Sure it won't have the kind of impact that Zelda 10 (or would it be 11?) will. But it is a new game and any publicity > no publicity.
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

I mean, I just don't think a movie could do for Cloud what a game would do for Link.

From what I've kept up with, this movie would have me voting for Cloud over Link from here on out. Heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I'd take Joe without thinking. ;)

Nu surprise there. =p

KOS-MOS and Joe close in the rankings? Good grief, either Sonic is going to blow the hell out of Ryu,

I highly doubt.

or Tails will give the fight of a lifetime against Dante.

I also highly doubt. I think Tails will get maybe 40 on Dante, who will undoubtly do worse on Sonic then Ryu (Because Ryu beat Dante in 2k3) and as such think they will be close.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Whether you're right or not is another matter entirely.

I'd be right, of course.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

By the time VJ2 comes out and VJ comes out on DS VJ will be MUCH more mainstream.
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

By the time VJ2 comes out and VJ comes out on DS VJ will be MUCH more mainstream.

I'm expecting Xenosaga to give KOS-MOS a similar such boost.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

It depends on how you define blowout. Sonic's going to break 60% tomorrow, but for me, "blowout" starts around 65%.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Viewtiful Joe 2 (Playstation 2/GameCube), Viewtiful Joe (Nintendo DS/Sony PSP), Viewtiful Joe 3 (rumored).

Quite a resume for Joe in the coming year(s), and then he has that anime releasing in Japan, North America, and Europe but that'd do nothing more than give him more name as opposed to actual increase.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Sonic's going to break 60% tomorrow,

Not a chance.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Quite a good chance, actually.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Hey, I think Sonic's going to do good enough, but 60%? No way.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

I'd say 55-45 is more like it. Although I'd love to see the gap much larger to see KOS-MOS avenged.

On the other hand, the closer it is, the better KOS-MOS looks on the X-Stats.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm . . .
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

That's right, everyone vote for the Street Fighter!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

55-45? Mmmm... I'd say more in the range of 57-58.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

I'd say 55-45. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

And I'd say 60/40.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

You know what match I'm already looking forward too in 2k5? KOS-MOS vs Viewtiful Joe.

That match seems rather obvious to me. VJ will be the star of his game. KOS? She'll be lucky to get the amount of screentime she got in Ep. 1, because Ep. 2 is Jr.'s story.
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It's the battle of the "Bow"-men at www.rpgdl.com, as Bowman Jean faces the Hunting Clan's champion, Bo!

That's right, everyone vote for the Street Fighter!

What were you saying when Street Fighter II was being slaughtered by Super Mario RPG?

Goddamned hypocrite!

Same as Slow.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Vivi vs. Sephiroth - Bracket: Seph - Vote: Seph (52/54)

But as I said, don't be surprised if this stays 50-50 in the opening hours. Though I still consider that a worst-case scenario.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

What were you saying when Street Fighter II was being slaughtered by Super Mario RPG?

Goddamned hypocrite!

I wasn't here much that day.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

She'll be lucky to get the amount of screentime she got in Ep. 1, because Ep. 2 is Jr.'s story.

I have faith in Namco to make it a kick-ass game.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

But Viewtiful Joe 2 will have multiplayer.

Imagine Viewtiful Joe, improved in all aspects, with MULTIPLAYER. Gaming Heaven right there.
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

Viewtiful Joe 2 certainly looks to at least meet the greatness of Viewtiful Joe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Btw, HM, do you still have the link to the latest FF:AC trailer/teaser?

The 30 min one with lots of potential spoiler?

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Sora? Sorry but I have Ryu... :)

As for my Final Four: Link, Mega Man, Cloud and Samus :) The preferred choices of elites everywhere on this thread :)

I assume that Ryu will beat Sora. I am 51/52 right now, and will lose 2 points on that match... and then we'll be tied...
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Oh, and if Cloud does win, I win consider myself pwnt, but if it's the other way around...

And if it's the other way around I laugh and shrug it off because you weren't willing to put up anything.

=P
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Mass Carriers is to Zergling as CaptainFlufflez is to me. I got 00b3r pwn'D!

sound good?

Sure, sounds good. I'll think of something come the day that you watch Sephiroth go down, walking through cold fires.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

dynasty? After Cloud and Seph, who would be left? TIDUS?

Roffle.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Not an idiot, they just don't follow the contest heavily. Calling them idiots is too harsh.

Not true... in fact, most people are idiots, and by extension, so are most contest voters. =X
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Btw, HM, do you still have the link to the latest FF:AC trailer/teaser?

The 30 min one with lots of potential spoiler?

No one's been able to get something of the trailer at Venice, but Square Enix will release a 4 minute trailer on the 24th of this month at TGS.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I'd take Joe without thinking. ;)

And how many of your picks DO you think about? ;x
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

And how many of your picks DO you think about? ;x

Many of them, just not the obvious ones. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

No one's been able to get something of the trailer at Venice, but Square Enix will release a 4 minute trailer on the 24th of this month at TGS.

That's too bad, thanks anyway.

Speaking of the contest, boy does Sephy look weak.
Oh well, at least he's not downright dissappointing like Auron.

Btw, based on 2003 DK and 2003 Sephy, what is Vivi expected to get on Sephy?
Assuming no SFF on Cloud/Sephy.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Someone said 29.10% IIRC.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Around 70% on Vivi; with no things like DK decreasing/increasing, SFF, etc.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

To be more precise, I got 70.83% but that's not 100% accurate, just close.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

In other news, the only perfect with Cloud winning has Crono beating Mario.

Going against my momentum-changing powers = instant loss.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 052/054 - Matches: 41/43 - Rank: 00087/33221 - Today: Sephiroth - Tomorrow: Sonic

Does anyone know what Tijan has? I'm hoping he has Crono over Mario, but I've really got no clue.

I just realized that Mario vs. Crono is taking place on my birthday. ^_^

Go Mario. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yeah, if Crono beats Mario, we'll have a good chance of a perfect bracket. It would suck if that guy was perfect until the finals and then Cloud lost.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Mario needs to beat Crono though...badly.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Mario will win because it is my birthday.

*blows out candles*

Yay. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You know if you tell your wish to somebody else, it won't come true. Now Crono will win.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

Well then you know what I'll have to do... =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sephiroth's creeping up toward 70%. This will be the first time he got less than 80% on his first two opponents.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

A dynasty? After Cloud and Seph, who would be left? TIDUS?

Next in line... Vivi!!! Just as soon as Square releases their new DVD, Final Fantasy IX: Advent Black Mages.

Hey, I wonder if Master Chief can make some noise next year. He IS the star of the biggest game of 2004.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I doubt Master Chief will become a powerhouse, but he looks good to make a Sweet Sixteen appearance next year with a favorable path.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

I thought that GTA:SA was the biggest game this year. Meh.

I just realized I'm getting paid on my birthday, too. Birthday presents, payday, Mario vs. Crono III.... =D
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nah, all the hype is around Halo 2. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I don't really mean hype, but actually sales. I figured that Halo 2 would be outsold by GTA:SA, but based on the 1 million preorders... maybe not.

By the way, HM, did you read that editorial on GCAdvanced.com? Sounds a mite bit depressing, yes? =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

He IS the star of the biggest game of 2004.

No, that would be Gordon Freeman, if Half-Life 2 ends up coming out this year.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Nearly 1 million pre-orders completely smashes the previous record by doubling it. The biggest game of 2004 is Halo 2 though.

Sales-wise, I'm expecting Halo 2 to outsell GTA:SA.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

EGM's Hot Ten
(Reader Created)

1. The Legend of Zelda (GCN)
2. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes (GCN)
3. Halo 2 (XBX)
4. Resident Evil 4 (GCN)
5. Final Fantasy XII (PS2)
6. Super Mario 64x4 (NDS)
7. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PS2)
8. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)
9. Kingdom Hearts 2 (PS2)
10. Viewtiful Joe 2 (GCN/PS2)

So it's not all about Halo 2. Zelda 10 is pretty hyped up too, and I'm also surprised to see MP2 that high on the list.
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

Wow, I'm surprised Halo 2 is so hyped. Looks like the Xbox is combating its stigma after all.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 50/52, Next Winner: Auron

Eh. And it's even more amazing that it has 1 million preorderes because Microsoft doesn't have some big preorder campaign like Nintendo had for TWW. I doubt it would've had half the preorders if it weren't for that.

And you didn't say whether you read that editorial. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I haven't got around to reading the article.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Thank GOD XBox is overcoming this horrible stench of defeat it has been facing for so very long. I really think XBox is a great system...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Outback:

Where is a link to that list? Because in the most recent magazine I saw, Halo 2 was on top, followed by Zelda.

Is there a link?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'll look for it. Could be that you just haven't got the magazine. I just got it two days ago.
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

The Xbox is a great system; technically speaking, it's the best. It's just the games that have been lacking, and it seems to finally be picking up in that respect. Just two more days until my acquisition of Fable :)
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 52/54, Next Winner: Sephiroth

I'll look for it. Could be that you just haven't got the magazine. I just got it two days ago.

Perhaps. What is the front of the magazine about?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

We go through these altogether too quickly. And have we thrown around the idea that perhaps SFF will always favor heros over villains? As such, Vivi (and potentially) Auron will garner a higher percentage than otherwise thought to be? Same for Squall. Tis a thought. I think a Zelda/Ganondorf match would also be good food for thought on that one. Though I don't know how it works out with the Yoshi/Bowser match-up, as that would be similar to this match today.
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Anxiously awaiting... SONIC vs. ryu

Ah. My nemesis... Hi! So, excited about losing your sig tomorrow? Oh and yeah it was a bit lacking but with it's support for online sports, it's GREAT upcoming lineup, and it's SFAC coming out January 11th with online compatability, I'm looking forward to the decline of XBox hate.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Mumei: The cover is GTA:SA
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

And have we thrown around the idea that perhaps SFF will always favor heros over villains? As such, Vivi (and potentially) Auron will garner a higher percentage than otherwise thought to be? Same for Squall.

Hmm...so perhaps SFF doesn't always necessarily favor the stronger character? Not reverse SFF, per se, but Hero SFF? Interesting concept. I'll wait and see how Auron does.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 52/54, Next Winner: Sephiroth

Oh. Well I haven't seen that one yet. Never mind. I wonder how long Zelda will stay on top of that...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ah. My nemesis... Hi!

You think yourself worthy of being my nemesis?

So, excited about losing your sig tomorrow?

I don't get excited about things that will never happen.

Oh and yeah it was a bit lacking but with it's support for online sports, it's GREAT upcoming lineup, and it's SFAC coming out January 11th with online compatability, I'm looking forward to the decline of XBox hate.

Me wants Jade Empire NOW! NOW I SAY!
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 52/54, Next Winner: Sephiroth

I cant find a link either. The link they gave in the magazine doesn't work.
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

Ah. My nemesis... Hi!

You think yourself worthy of being my nemesis?

You think yourself worthy of asking if I think myself worthy of being your nemesis!?!?

So, excited about losing your sig tomorrow?

I don't get excited about things that will never happen.

Then it's a good thing I didn't mention one.

Oh and yeah it was a bit lacking but with it's support for online sports, it's GREAT upcoming lineup, and it's SFAC coming out January 11th with online compatability, I'm looking forward to the decline of XBox hate.

Me wants Jade Empire NOW! NOW I SAY!

w00t w00t!!!!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Oh, and about the sig bet, I might not be on tomorrow to gloat until past 8 PM EST. Wednesdays suck for me.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 52/54, Next Winner: Sephiroth

Can't wait to see Ryu do well against Sonic, 55-45. Even better would be a win.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Strange how you sound so much like me before the Mega Man-Tidus match.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

but Sonic's an icon, except Tails is the bestest.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Oh, and about the sig bet, I might not be on tomorrow to gloat until past 8 PM EST. Wednesdays suck for me.

Heh. "Gloat". And that's okay since the match will be so ridiculously close at 8 PM that it won't be 100% who will win until the night vote kicks back in. Sorry you have to have a sucky day though. I have 3 tests so V_V; But then a 4-day weekend ^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ya know, I changed my mind. The X-Stats mean **** this year, so I have nothing to gain by boosting KOS-MOS. Revenge is more fun. =p

Common sense says Ryu 55-45 to me, but I'm hoping 60-40, or wider.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Yes, I need Sonic to perform as well as possible. Anything over 60% is good for me.
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Mega Man and Heroic Mario are well on their way to winning the Summer Contest...
But Squall will still win!

sonic, I hope you get 63%
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Then again, you need it. I just like Sonic.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

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Leonhart: What do you mean NEED it? Do you have Sonic over Samus?
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Summer Contest Match 42 Sephiroth vs. Vivi
Status 40/43 Points: 051 Next: Sonic the Hedgehog vs. Ryu

Plus KOS wants revenge.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

samus will beat sonic.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

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