Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Am I the only one that thinks that Sonic VS Samus will be very close, not Frog VS Masterchief close but perhaps Mario VS Crono close.
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .44/46

yes, I wish it would be close, and hope sonic can win. But I really don't think so. SAmus didn't have MP games last time.
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46/46 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Good point but Sonic didn't have any games that wasn't on a Sega system last time. Now Sonic has games on every ssystem, even N-gage :D
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .44/46

Sonic had SA2B last time, and that's sonics most famous game next gen. All other games are just 6/7 games. Not really good. The sonic games were good in it's generation, but not really anymore. Don't get me wrong. Sonic is favorite character, but I don't think he can win.

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46/46 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Am I the only one that thinks that Sonic VS Samus will be very close, not Frog VS Masterchief close but perhaps Mario VS Crono close.

Not even remotely. I think Samus won't have any trouble taking out Sonic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We're about to need this soon. Might as well tag this.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Personally, I'm hoping Samus breaks 60% so we don't have to include Sonic in the elites.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

That would be more indicative of a Samus increase than a Sonic decrease. If we were going to kick anybody out after this year, it'd probably be Snake.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I posted this in the other topic, but might as well post it here since the other topic's filling up:

Might as well jump in and post my Psuedo Spring Contest Bracket.

Note: Yeah, I know that almost all of the Mario games are in the same division. SMB3 wasn't originally in that division but I had to switch it around to avoid rematches is some other divisions.

1. Final Fantasy VII
16. Xenosaga: Episode 1: Der Wille Zur Macht

8. Mega Man 2
9. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles

5. Halo: Combat Evolved
12. Jak II

4. Goldeneye 007
13. ICO

6. Doom
11. Street Fighter II

3. Punch-Out!!
14. Duck Hunt

7. Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
10. Pokemon Red/Blue/Green

2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
15. Ice Climbers

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1. Super Smash Brothers Melee
16. Shaq-Fu

8. Final Fantasy Tactics
9. Half-Life

5. Super Mario World
12. Mortal Kombat

4. Super Mario 64
13. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

6. Super Mario Brothers
11. Banjo-Kazooie

3. Final Fantasy VI
14. Skies of Arcadia

7. Golden Sun: The Lost Age
10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

2. Super Mario Brothers 3
15. Gauntlet

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1. Chrono Trigger
16. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness

8. Resident Evil 2
9. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

5. Final Fantasy X
12. Tales of Symphonia

4. Final Fantasy VIII
13. Pong

6. The Sims
11. Ninja Gaiden

3. Starcraft
14. Diablo II: Lord of Destruction

7. Metal Gear Solid
10. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

2. Legend of Zelda
15. Animal Crossing

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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
16. Big Rigs: Off-Road Racing

8. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
9. Metroid Prime

5. Tetris
12. Kingdom Hearts

4. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
13. Soul Calibur II

6. Super Metroid
11. Super Mario Kart

3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
14. Earthbound

7. Donkey Kong
10. Pac-Man

2. Grand Theft Auto III
15. Kirby's Adventure in Dreamland
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"Playtime is oveeeeeer."-- Knuckles the Echidna

I have no concern for any match but Mario vs Crono. That's the only piece of good excitment in that entire round.

That would be more indicative of a Samus increase than a Sonic decrease. If we were going to kick anybody out after this year, it'd probably be Snake.

Yes, I agree.

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Ñïñtèñdð²

Yeah, but I still want to kick Sonic out. I never liked him.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

This is me at 2am: Clouds at 77.4% at the 2am mark. It's looking good to getting that ~81% or so but every percentage point is that much ahrder to get at this point, but on the converse, that much more meaningful.

It is now almost noon: Clouds at ~80.65 and very much well on his way to 03 predicted nubmers of 81.57%. Obviously, even getting 1% once you hit 80 is quite a difficult task, so we'll see about that. The point is, for all the complainings about Cloud showing weak in the first round, the existence of anti-champion votes, and etc. as lnog as he doesn't drop he has proved them all wrong.

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

2. Legend of Zelda
15. Animal Crossing
Starcraft or FF6 should get the 2 seed instead of Legend of Zelda

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SC2K4 Score: 42/46 Next Match: Cloud vs Vyse

At this point, I think its near impossible for Sonic to beat Samus.

Samus beat him without Metroid Prime, how the **** is Sonic supposed to overcome Metroid Prime, Metroid: Zero Mission, Metroid Fusion, and the hype of Metroid Prime 2?
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

Sonic doesn't have to do anything to overcome hype. That's a complete non-factor.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

It is now almost noon: Clouds at ~80.65 and very much well on his way to 03 predicted nubmers of 81.57%. Obviously, even getting 1% once you hit 80 is quite a difficult task, so we'll see about that. The point is, for all the complainings about Cloud showing weak in the first round, the existence of anti-champion votes, and etc. as lnog as he doesn't drop he has proved them all wrong.

Wasn't proved with Link until round three (Magus) and that won't happen with Cloud because it's a SFF match.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Sonic totally owns Samus. But Samus will win and fall to Cloud...
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Sonic doesn't have to do anything to overcome hype. That's a complete non-factor.

Tell that to Reggielution Link.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

The hype doesn't look to have helped Link at all. He overperformed against CATS, but so what? Is that some big feat now?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Exactly. Doing 1% better on CATS doesn't really constitute hype helping you or anything really helping you.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud is still on the rise. 80.85% now.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Leonhart: Do you think Seph being a villain could prevent him from getting as much SFF on Auron as Cloud did?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

It's possible. There's really no way of telling right now. We'll only be able to say anything about Sephiroth if he over- or underperforms by a good bit.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Is Auron in Kingdom Hearts?
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Nope, but Auron has been confirmed for Kingdom Hearts II.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

No, but he'll be in KH2. Expect some major ass-whoopage from him next year. If he suffered from big SFF as his match against Scorpion leads to believe, he may enter the Noble Nine.

Maybe Zelda 10 could make Ganondorf do it... you think so?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Quite possible for Ganondorf to get a big boost next year.

If he doesn't face Link again that is.

>_<
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Summer Contest Match 40 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

...Though wasn't the whole idea behind the Kingdom Hearts Factor that it made non-FF fans play the games as opposed to merely getting a boost just from being in it?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Who are expected to be in Kingdom Hearts II already?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

If Ganon faces Mario, Link, or Samus next year, then we won't have a clue. ;x
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Auron's the only one I can think of for sure right now. I heard something about Vincent, but I don't know if that's just a rumor or not.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

There was such an outcry with that bracket of his that he may not dare set up a SFF match ever again. Not even the wanted one, namely Tidus/Auron.

I'm going to work on the Frog/Chief graphs now. I'll be back in a while.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Heh, I already decided to pit Ganondorf against Crono in the third round of my SC2K5 bracket. Problem solved.

Now if only Ceej could do it that way.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

I still wanna see Squall-Tidus next year.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I expect that Kingdom Hearts 2 won't benefit anyone who was in the first one, minus Sora.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

What we need is another Castlevania game with Alucard in it. Then he wouldn't be first/second round fodder, and possibly even go past the Sweet Sixteen.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
46/48/192 Next tough pick: Sora

Watch he'll get one on GBA.

That'll REALLY boost his popularity.
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

What we need is another Castlevania game with Alucard in it. Then he wouldn't be first/second round fodder, and possibly even go past the Sweet Sixteen.

Alucard? Fodder?...

... w. t. f.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Cloud already has 50,000 votes. He's ahead of Sephiroth's pace right now.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heroic Mario - Mega Man AC only got a 9/10 while Sonic Mega Collection got a 10?

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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Cloud just hit 80.9%

I swear, I can't stand to look at ANY picture of Cloud. I have nothing against his actual character storywise (I haven't played FF7) but IMO that character design is ****ing AWFUL.
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Alucard could have done better against Link than Ganon though, simply because there would be no SFF.

On another note, can Vyse get over 20% on Cloud?
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
46/48/192 Next tough pick: Sora

Heya Guys, did ya all miss me? Been reading some of the recent stats/discussions topics, got a few things I wanted to ask/address

1) Would anyone mind if I ask where you're all getting the extrapolated ratings? I see em referenced all the time, not sure which of the links at the top of the page sends me there.

2) I haven't been watching lately, were there any votes removed from the two matches that were really close? (Frog/MC, Ryu/Jill)

3) I wasn't around for the first day of competition, but saw the results. Everyone emphasized that Link overperformed against CATS, I don't think that's the case. I think it's just that there's a specific sphere of people who will vote against any character, bar none. Mario has one, Cloud has one, but I think Link has less of one. It's speculation on my part really, but I think the LoZ/Adventure match from this spring is evidence of that.

4) Is the consensus this year that Mario or Crono will win the match with some comparable breathing room? Or will it be another mess?

5) One of the current arguments about the contest is Sonic/Samus. My thoughts real quick on that is that Sonic will be the much more battle-tested one. Samus is, by no stretch, facing any juggernauts before she sees the finals. While Sonic isn't either, it cannot be denied that Ryu and Dante could both probably make it to the 3rd round on the opposite side of the bracket. I think it will be more indicative that if Sonic can keep somewhat close to Samus's percentages, then the match may be close, but I think that such a setup works against Sonic.

6) People have been saying Link is stronger, Cloud is weaker. While this might be the case, bracket voters might tilt the balance a tad bit as well. Last year I believe something like 12% had cloud beating link (Including me. =D), and the number is undoubtedly higher this year. It wouldn't be much of an effect, but at the same time when it's a 52-48 contest, every vote counts.

I dunno, just throwing a few ideas out there.
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Overanalyzing Character Battles since 2002!

i just voted cloud and i'm sorta embarased about it... i hate ff7 with a firey passion... however im against voting for characters who i dont know who they are so i couldnt bring myself to vote for vyse
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Socom 2: Mikan_J_C
Diablo 2 LoD (e/sc/nl): Mrthedude87

Back in 2002, I honestly though Snake had potential to win the contest, or at least make the Final Four. I was one of many that were shocked, to say the least, when Crono got rid of him.

He just seems to be the guy that can perform like a hard-hitter in squash matches, but completely choke during big or critical matches. He did this against Mega Man last year and actually showed signs of weakness against Knuckles (not being able to keep his head above 60%).

Shame, really, I always thought he was one of the best characters designed in the last decade.
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Contest Stats: 44/48 Next Pick: Cloud
Today's subliminal thought is:

1) Would anyone mind if I ask where you're all getting the extrapolated ratings? I see em referenced all the time, not sure which of the links at the top of the page sends me there.

sc2k4.com

Click Summer 2K3, and there's a link.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Shame, really, I always thought he was one of the best characters designed in the last decade.

The thing is, he IS one of the best characters ever designed for a video game. It's a shame that he doesn't get that recognition on this site.
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
46/48/192 Next tough pick: Sora

What about Raziel and Kain? Personally, they are two of my favorite videogame characters of the past few years. Great design, great storylines,...average games. It's really too bad they don't get more respect.
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

Snake existed for way more than ten years... although he hadn't hit the big time at that point in time.

And the graphs are ready, if you want to check them out. The first one is pretty telling of the insane pace of Master Chief's comeback.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

*hides his Raiden wallpapers*

And people say Frog is better then Snake characterwise...did HM play MGS?
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

Cloud should be getting 81% here soon. At this rate, he should get very close to his predicted percentage against Vyse by the end of the poll.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

am I the only one who thinks that a Samus vs. Link match would be killer? I think the SFF wouldn;t be as much of a factor, since althought they are both Nintendo characters, they are in completely different types of games. I think that Samus has grown TREMENDOUSLY in terms of popularity, and she did really well in the contest with three less games. THe metroid series is on the rise, and while the Zelda series may not have to deal with Celda anymore, there still hasen't been a truely GREAT Zelda game for a while. I think it would be a great match. Unfourtunately, It will never happen.
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SC2k4 Score: 41/48 Todays Pick: Cloud over Vyse
My Mistakes: Shadow, Kefka, Gordon, Luigi, Kefka

"And the graphs are ready, if you want to check them out. The first one is pretty telling of the insane pace of Master Chief's comeback."

Link, please?
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SC2K4 Score: 46/48
Today's Pick: Cloud

Oh, yeah, I thought everyone knew it by now, but here it is:

www.freewebs.com/slowflake/sc2k4.xls

And go to the "Frog vs. MC" sheet.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Damn security settings.
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SC2K4 Score: 46/48
Today's Pick: Cloud

Secu... what? Is the problem on my side or yours?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

My side. -_-
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SC2K4 Score: 46/48
Today's Pick: Cloud

am I the only one who thinks that a Samus vs. Link match would be killer?

Yes, you are the only one, because that happened last year.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

Heroic Mario - Mega Man AC only got a 9/10 while Sonic Mega Collection got a 10?

I gave the PS2 version a 10/10 and have been meaning to change the score on the GCN version. I gave it like a 9.8 if memory serves, but SMC is in no way close to touching MMAC as far as my liking goes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Woah, that's a really steep line during MC's comeback. Ouch.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

And people say Frog is better then Snake characterwise...did HM play MGS?

Of course I did.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

DAMN!

Thought I had you there....>_>...
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

am I the only one who thinks that a Samus vs. Link match would be killer?

Yes, you are the only one, because that happened last year.

>>>>XD
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Cloud's just struggling to crack 81%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

He might be able to meet his expectation for this match...
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

He's got 9 hours to make up .59%
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*tags to read the whole dang thing when it's a 500 topic tomorrow*
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
*jumps on table while techno plays*

Even now, at 81%, he's looking just as strong as last year. This goes a long way in proving Milkem joke votes, and Cloud/Link should still be a very good battle this year.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

Yeah... Sometimes these topics move too quickly...
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

1. Final Fantasy VII
16. Xenosaga: Episode 1: Der Wille Zur Macht

You're mean.

And Albedo >>> Sephiroth...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

No duh. Albedo's one of the better villains this generation.

The head cutting scene was very cool...and his theme to me is better then Frog's.
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

Heh. Cloud finally managed to get 81%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

wow.... that is a suspiciously fast change... from 3000 up to 100 down in 2 hours IRC... Also, has anyone noticed the incredible similarities beetween Mario and Crono this year? Crono vs. Conker: 62375 to 17605

Mario vs. JC Denton 65184 to 12847

Crono Vs. Conker vote difference: 44770

Mario Vs. JC vote difference: 52337

Mario and Crono vote difference: 2809 in Mario's favor

JC and Conker vote difference: 4758 in Conkers favor

So, those are fairly close numbers, and Conker is definately the more powerful character than JC.

Now, Bowser and Magus's matches:

Magus vs. Luca: 57128 to 13367

Bowser vs. Guybrush: 61731 to 12652

Magus vs. Luca vote difference:43761

Bowser Vs. Guybrush vote difference: 49079

Magus and Bowser vote difference: 4603 to Bowser

Luca and Guybrush vote difference: 715 to Luca

So, that shows that Bowser and Magus are statistically very close. I think that Magus gets the edge here, because Luca is a stronger character than Guybrush.

Now, the second round. Exact same SFF.

Crono vs. Magus: 54361 to 23539

Mario vs. Bowser: 56098 to 23302

Crono vs. Magus vote difference: 30822

Mario vs. Bowser vote difference: 32796

Crono and Mario vote difference: 1737 to Mario

Magus and Bowser vote difference: 237 To Bowser

So, I give Crono a very slight edge, because even though most of the statistics point to Mario, I think each character in his division is slightly better then their corresponding one in Marios. Should be a VERY close match though.
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SC2k4 Score: 41/48 Todays Pick: Cloud over Vyse
My Mistakes: Shadow, Kefka, Gordon, Luigi, Kefka

Cloud Strife 81% 53693
Vyse 19% 12597
TOTAL VOTES 66290

XD
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
*jumps on table while techno plays*

Well, looks like this is truly the Cloud we saw last year.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Same Cloud, more competition, and no second victory. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*Resigns from contest*
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

An HM alt, I presume? ;)

Any sightings of that "Clinkeroth" account yet BTW?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

And Squall's victory over Kirby looks even more secure tomorrow as his performance against Bomberman was more of the latter's return to 2002 as opposed to a diminishing of the KHF. I feel even more confident that he'll break 60% tomorrow.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heh, yeah, an alt of mine.

By the way, anyone know who created the "Clinkeroth" account?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

***POSSIBLE XENOSAGA EP. 1 SPOILERS***
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The head cutting scene was very cool...and his theme to me is better then Frog's.

Yeah, Albedo just kicks butt. Everyone always talks about how Kefka is insane, but I never saw him ripping off his own head and then crushing it under his boot. Oh, and let us not forget the Kirschwasser corpses piled up around his throne on the Song of Nephilim, and his thing with MOMO.

And, yes, his theme music is awesome. It is, in my opinion, the best music I've ever heard in a video game, but I'm biased towards the character and I tend to like music with a darker tone like "Albedo" has. "One-Winged Angel" was no slouch, either...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

I'm surprised that so many people speak of a Samus vs. Sonic upset and yet everyone seems to assume that Cloud will be making it to the final four to confront Samus and Link. I honestly think Sephiroth has a very good shot this year.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

agrees with smitelf
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SC2k4 Predicted Contest Winner: Sephiroth
46/48/192 Next tough pick: Sora

I wouldn't be surprised if Cloud's percentage against Sephiroth was bigger this year either though.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I would be surprised if Cloud won by more, myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm surprised that so many people speak of a Samus vs. Sonic upset and yet everyone seems to assume that Cloud will be making it to the final four to confront Samus and Link. I honestly think Sephiroth has a very good shot this year.

I'll bet my account on Cloud.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

(if anyone is interested that is)
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Yes, I know that Snake is more like 15+ years old now...but his character took off phenomenally with MGS, that's what I implied.
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Contest Stats: 44/48 Next Pick: Cloud
Today's subliminal thought is:

I wouldn't be surprised if Cloud's percentage against Sephiroth was bigger this year either though.

I would be. Sephiroth making it to the final four and then beating Link is, in my opinion, the most likely major upset. Ryu vs. Sonic, Sonic vs. Samus, I don't see much upset potential in either of these matches; the characters aren't close enough in the rankings to make it interesting. Sephiroth, however, lost by a small margin when compared with the difference in the extrapolated rankings between Sonic and Samus, yet he's written off by many.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

I'm not talkin' like a big swing for Cloud in percentage, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did a little better this time around. Sephiroth might be one of the best upsets to take this year, but I don't see him winning.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud's Current Percentage = 81.01%
Cloud's Expected Percentage = 81.57%

Given that he tends to do a little worse against fodder than Link, I'd say this confirms he's within the acceptable range for a shot at repeating.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

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Well, Cloud always had a shot at repeating. Today's match really doesn't reflect his chances.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I'm not talkin' like a big swing for Cloud in percentage, but I wouldn't be surprised if he did a little better this time around.

I would be surprised if he didn't a) do worse or b) lose. Anything else would surprise me, even a performance equal to last year's.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

I have to say, I'd be displeased to see Sephiroth beat Cloud.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I have to say, I'd be displeased to see Sephiroth beat Cloud.

I have to say, it would please me immensely to see Sephiroth beat Cloud.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

If GameFAQs knows who's better Cloud shall be the victor. I have faith they'll pull through on that one. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I have to say, it would please me immensely to see Sephiroth beat Cloud.

Sephiroth beating Cloud = Instant Huge Ranking Increase For jonthomson
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

If GameFAQs knows who's better Cloud shall be the victor.;)

I am of the opposing opinion on that subject. Sephiroth may not be the best of villains but he's ten times superior to the asshat protagonist he has to fight. If there were any justice in the digital world, FFVII would have ended with Sephiroth standing over Cloud's corpse, stabbing it again and again until every piece of sinew and muscle had been separated from his bones and was in itty bitty pieces small enough to be picked up by the wind and scattered across the planet.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

Why finish FF7 with such a terrible ending? The only correct way to end the game was by Cloud ripping that long-haired piece of garbage apart. Thankfully, that's how Square decided they'd end that game.

Witnessing Sephiroth get his ass owned twice in one game was just beautiful.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Mmm...the melding colors of flesh, mixed in with the sand, dust and dirt of a ruined world...strands of blonde hair being blown into stray pieces of musculature, getting sealed into them by drying blood...ahh...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

two people that share my opinion...

Smitelf hates cloud
HM hates seph
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

two people that share my opinion...

Smitelf hates cloud
HM hates seph

Hooray, me too! Anyway, with Cloud holding constant at around 81%, he's looking just as strong as last year. All the Clinkeroth inter battles looks good, as do Link/Mega Man and FFVII/Samus.

And despite how SFF ridden the individual divisions are, you have to give Ceej credit for making an Elite Eight where the only potential SFF matches are Cloud/Seph and Link/Mario, the first of which probably won't have any SFF and the second of which would be rectified if Crono beats Mario.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

I don't have to give Ceej credit for anything except creating an awesome site and then selling out to CNet.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

And I really think Crono will beat Mario. There's no reason for him not to; I think there's a good chance that Crono has gone up and Mario has stagnated.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

And I really think Crono will beat Mario. There's no reason for him not to; I think there's a good chance that Crono has gone up and Mario has stagnated.

Mario stagnating is a possibility. I see no reason for Crono to have gone up. And CT>SMB3 isn't a valid argument, because we all know games<>characters (coughs Freeman)
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

There's no reason for him not to; I think there's a good chance that Crono has gone up and Mario has stagnated.

But there's also a good chance that some of the Square fans will go against Crono simply for A) beating Magus, and B) in hopes of finally ending the Mario/Crono matchups by creating a relative blowout for the one more likely to win.

I can tell you this much, mine is one vote that Crono will never get again. Ever.

Oh, and Sephy-chan > Miss Cloud. Anyone who tells you different is crazy, delusional, or your average GameFAQs user.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Indeed, GO MARIO!
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

And CT>SMB3 isn't a valid argument, because we all know games<>characters (coughs Freeman)

I know games =/= characters, but it's possible that, upon seeing Chrono Trigger's performance in the Spring contest, some who hadn't played the game before might have given it a try and liked it, and possibly Crono as well.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

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But there's also a good chance that some of the Square fans will go against Crono simply for A) beating Magus, and B) in hopes of finally ending the Mario/Crono matchups by creating a relative blowout for the one more likely to win.

I don't think A) will happen because revenge voting is bullcrap. I don't think B) will happen because both have an excellent chance of winning and I can't imagine that many people would vote against a character they prefer in a grudge match. You might be an exception, but I doubt many will be following your lead.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

How you could like crono more after playing CT than before you played it is beyond me.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

Just about everything I've seen seems to point to a Crono win this year.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I wasn't convinced by CT's run this spring, hell no.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Chrono Trigger's run in the spring should have absolutely nothing to do with "Crono's momentum" into a match he has never won before. The only thing I could see that is in his favor is the mere fact that he had held the lead throughout most of the match last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Interestingly enough. CT's run in the spring did make me want to try CT, so I finally did. And I found out that crono is a mediocre character at best! He doesn't talk and comes close to not having a personality at all! I'm only voting for him this year because of the stuff in the last 2 years in crono/mario matches. Before I played CT, I thought crono was cool, but then I played it, meh.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

"This is me at 2am: Clouds at 77.4% at the 2am mark. It's looking good to getting that ~81% or so but every percentage point is that much ahrder to get at this point, but on the converse, that much more meaningful.

This was me at 11:46am: Clouds at ~80.65 and very much well on his way to 03 predicted nubmers of 81.57%. Obviously, even getting 1% once you hit 80 is quite a difficult task, so we'll see about that. The point is, for all the complainings about Cloud showing weak in the first round, the existence of anti-champion votes, and etc. as lnog as he doesn't drop he has proved them all wrong."

We are now nearing the 5pm mark(4:45): Could has hit the all-important 81 % and is showing no signs of slowing down. He's likely to get the 81.57 that was predicted of him and it's only a question as to how much more. He's looking good against Sephi and Samus(I'm assuming this pick here) and has a lock into the final round if he can nab 83 or even 82.5.

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Maybe Mario won't get the CLUTCH! this year. Maybe Crono cheaters aren't incompetent any more; after all, Frog won his two matches by a combined 100 votes.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

because of the stuff in the last 2 years in crono/mario matches.

The only time Crono got the bad end of the stick was last year. An idiotic cheater cost him the match in 2002, nothing to do with Mario.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

and has a lock into the final round if he can nab 83 or even 82.5.

Cloud will not come close to touching 82%
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Yeah, but either way I feel that crono, after coming within a few hundred votes 2 years in a row of beating mario, cheating or not, deserves a win.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

Though last year I would have voted Crono over mario because that was before I had played CT and thought crono was *gasp* cool.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

Fair enough.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

HM: The 2 prior posts recount how difficult it is to go up in percent once you reach this point. That's why I cleverly worded an If in that sentence. I think he can get close... The rest of the day and night should favor him...

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

I think he'll be lucky to even get his projected percentage.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Hmm... I have to say, Cloud is doing quite well today. Far better than I expected. Maybe his underperformance against Duke in the first round can actually be attributed to his pic.

Cloud's pace has fallen behind Sephiroth's for the highest individual vote total for now, but he can still catch up.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

HM: You mean to tell me cloud is underpreforming?
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

I think "underperforming" is acting as if he's not doing well, but he's projected to get 81.57% so technically he isn't matching that... yet. My comment was just in reference to him coming close to 82%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I was just blown away to see cloud do this well. Never thought he could have been projected to do even better...
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

Cloud is doing well. There is no doubt about it. He's going to be hard to take down. I really don't think Sephiroth can do it. It will be up to Link.

Cloud's still looking good as long as he finishes within .5% of what he's expected to get. Being off by this small of a margin is no big deal.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I haven't checked this in 5 hours, so:

Link at 17 hours - 60,355
Cloud at 17 hours - 56,365
Sephiroth at 17 hours - 61,018

And Cloud in this match has 58,966 at the 17 hour mark. As for total votes:

Tidus vs. Shadow at 17 hours - 72,726
Cloud vs. Vyse at 17 hours - 75,065

He's definitely on pace for a 90,000 vote match. The average for this round is now 82,749, because of those damnable early SFF matches.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"I don't think he's going to break 81%.

Considering what he's doing so far as well as what Link has done (though the latter is of little relevance), I gotta favor Link slightly between the two"

*looked at the % before catching up*

*smacks slow*

What have I been telling you people about calling favorites? It doens't do any good! Wait until solid evidence comes in, damn. Cloud broke 81%. Sure, Vyse might be capable of taking some back, but Cloud did it. Everytime someone starts saying that there is any sort of favorite to take the crown, even if it is only slightly... look what happens.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I don't get all this talk of Cloud underperforming. He is likely weaker than last year, but I can't imagine him being a half percent worse than last year.

Besides, what's so bad about seeing Cloud losing for the first few seconds in every match?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Touching on a few discussions in the topic....

Oh, and Sephy-chan > Miss Cloud. Anyone who tells you different is crazy, delusional, or your average GameFAQs user.

I'll have to say you're wrong on there because I can't stand Sephiroth and I am neither crazy, delusional, nor average. The only thing Sephiroth has going for him is he looks cool, carries a big sword, and walks through fire. Not meaning to troll, but I can't stand all the fanboys quoting Sephiroth like he was so deep ("OMG, I am one with the planet." "OMG, I will show you reality"). Sephiroth was truly a bland villain personality wise. I liked his character BEFORE he flipped out. But afterwards, he is easily my least liked FF villain besides Ultimecia and Seymour. Kuja didn't have the cool look, but he is easily more liked to me than Sephiroth.

About Crono/Mario. I think Chrono Trigger's performance in the Spring contest DOES do something for Crono. I don't think people vote for Crono because of a kick ass character. They vote for him because he is the most recognizable face from a hugely popular RPG. I don't think it ever was about his character. How could it be? There's a lot of anti Crono on this board now because of people pointing out his personality. I don't think that will matter in the polls (maybe board votes). I don't think people will stop voting for Crono now after the third year because all of a sudden they realize he isn't a deep character. Think of people liking Crono for the same reasons they like Mega Man and Link.

Mario? I don't know what to say about him. The biggest thing this year is that NOONE IS TALKING ABOUT HIM. Think about it, out of the top 16 characters from last year, who is being talked about the least? That can be extended past the site, to E3. Who drew all the buzz at E3? I can say that it wasn't Mario. Besides Mario 64 x 4, he was AWOL. Mario needs a big solo splash in the biggest way. I'm not saying he's at a disadvantage because of this, but he shouldn't make any huge advances past Crono within the last year. The one thing he might have going for him is that vote totals are lower this year. But that doesn't mean it's closer to 2k2. The voter base hasn't favored Square or Nintendo in this contest. So it's still wide open. Crono has as good a chance this year as any other.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't get all this talk of Cloud underperforming.

Before this there could have been talk of underperforming, but since he's broken 81% there's no need for it. He might not make the projected 81.57%, but at this margin it really doesn't matter.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Besides, what's so bad about seeing Cloud losing for the first few seconds in every match?

Absolutely nothing. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"I still wanna see Squall-Tidus next year."

Why? It's a real foregone conclussion.

"What we need is another Castlevania game with Alucard in it."

Yeah, one as good as SotN, as good looking as LoI and hyped more than one multiplied by the other.

"Heya Guys, did ya all miss me?"

Jesus you've been gone a long time.

"I was one of many that were shocked, to say the least, when Crono got rid of him."

I wasn't I was shocked that so many people thought Snake would win.

"It's a shame that he doesn't get that recognition on this site."

Yeah, being one of the ten most popular characters on the site without doubt... no recognition there...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Why? It's a real foregone conclussion.

So you say, but I'd still want to see it. I think Squall would put up a good fight against him, and he'd do better than Auron would.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I think Cloud is doing just fine. I think a lot of people are just hopeful that he has decreased. We might be looking too deep into this. We most likely will just have to wait until the big matches to see how he fares.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

...In order to make Sephiroth more realistic, people have made the Jenova Witness Theories...sad really.

Ramsus is like a improved version of him with a speedo.
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

^ I forgot to clarify what I meant by my last post. I meant wait until the big matches due to SFF sweet 16 matches. Last year, we had a big indication because Cloud blew out strong characters in Bowser and Sonic. This year we won't be able to judge that. The only match where we can really determine significant increases Mega Man/Tidus (and maybe Samus/Lara). I'm just in wait and see mode until the Final Four for Link and Cloud/Sephiroth. All eyes most likely will be on Mega Man and Samus in the elite 8 (okay and Cloud/Seph, but not MY eyes....)
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

oops... I'm slipping... Tired as hell...

*ARE*Mega Man/Tidus (and maybe Samus/Lara)
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

"I wasn't convinced by CT's run this spring, hell no."

Typically it takes a sledgehammer to the head to convince you of anything,unless you're ready to jump to a conclussion on your own... and when you do it tends to be wrong. :)

"Besides, what's so bad about seeing Cloud losing for the first few seconds in every match?"

The question whould be "What's so surprising?". He's obviously hated by the boards, him losing vrey early means nothing. The fact that he spends the rest of the day growing shows that the boards can't pull him down any. All it looks like to me is that if he and Link met they'd have yet another very close match.

"So you say"

Me, the math, and reality.

"I think Squall would put up a good fight against him, and he'd do better than Auron would."

I doubt it, unless tidus made a killing in SFF. Without SFF Auron rates higher than Squall, and we know it for sure now.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*tag* 6 more hours until a perhaps close match... and then we wait a week for another one.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

I still doubt that Chrono Trigger's run in the Spring Contest made people want to play the game.

It performed exactly like it was supposed to. It was *supposed* to make it to the finals and it did.
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"Playtime is oveeeeeer."-- Knuckles the Echidna

Who else agrees with me that Ryu H. will beat Sora?
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SC2K4 Score: 46/48
Today's Pick: Cloud

Most people in this topic.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

"It was *supposed* to make it to the finals and it did."

We knew that, but not everybody did.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'm starting to wonder if Crono/Mario will be like Frog/Master Chief. It's certainly possible.

Oh, and I looked over the last topic. It's amusing to see people trolling me simply because I got them modded (and in one case, warned) a bunch of times and think that their favorite game is a piece of ****. It pleases me to know that people out there have so little a life that they would hold a grudge against an internet face. So pathetic, yet so goddamned funny. It's most of the reason I pull my arrogance act sometimes: just to see how stupid some people are.

Even funnier is that no one minds when someone with my strong-willed personality agrees with them.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I've finally put up Stats Parts 31-56 up (excluding 33 and 35, which I don't have).


And it's good to see DSX back. Even though I suspect he still won't be around much :)
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Crono/Mario like MC/Frog? Do you mean in voting trends or closeness?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Both.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Voting trends? I can't see either making an amazing comeback during the day, though the night is a different story.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

I think Tidus would be more likely to make a killing with SFF against Auron than Squall. Without SFF, he could be projected to get as much as 47%. Nothing that's impossible to overcome.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I still think the result is set in stone. Soemthing absolutely drastic would have to happen to change people's minds en masse for one or the other... and with the way Square has been working lately it's far more likely to be in favor of Tidus if either of the two. I have a feeling even if Squall wasn't facing SFF against Cloud next round that Tidus would be up slightly and that Squall would be down.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

It performed exactly like it was supposed to. It was *supposed* to make it to the finals and it did.

We knew that, but not everybody did.

Wait a minute there. Anyone who believed Chrono Trigger was a lock for its division was pretty close to wrong.
CT barely passed by LttP and I strongly believe that without the layout change LttP would have won that match.
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

I don't, considering the vote total for that match.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Speaking of vote totals, Cloud-Vyse just broke the 80,000 mark. It looks to be well on its way to 90,000. Cloud also continues to creep closer and closer to his expected percentage. Not that it matters now since he's close enough anyway.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Wait a minute there. Anyone who believed Chrono Trigger was a lock for its division was pretty close to wrong.
CT barely passed by LttP and I strongly believe that without the layout change LttP would have won that match

I strongly believed Chrono Trigger was a lock for its division when the bracket was released.. I knew CT would have its run against LttP and I knew it was going to be tight-ass close but I was fairly confident in CT winning its division..

And your theory about the layout change.. I am not sure it would have made a difference.. But it will remain unproven unless of course there is another spring contest and a CT. vs LttP rematch..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

If there is a contest next year, the only game that could stop a CT VS. LTTP rematch is FF6.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

And that was my point exactly, saying that CT was supposed to make the finals doesn't mean there weren't plenty of people shocked enough by it doing so to try the game.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

If there is a contest next year, the only game that could stop a CT VS. LTTP rematch is FF6.

That is assuming we are going by Era.. But I hope CjayC will try something different this time around..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

"That is assuming we are going by Era.. But I hope CjayC will try something different this time around.."

I don't mind the idea of going by era again, as long as there are no repeat competitors :)
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Going by era again would make in very very very easy.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

I'm not big on the era thing. It would make it far too easy, as a good 55 games, at least, will return to the field.

Mix them all up in a giant blender and hit Frapée, I say. Game contests done in that matter would ALWAYS be tough, whereas character contests will get progressively easier as time passes.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Speaking of vote totals, Cloud-Vyse just broke the 80,000 mark. It looks to be well on its way to 90,000.

I'm almost certain that it'll reach it, at least based on this:

Tidus vs. Shadow at 19:30 - 84,172
Cloud vs. Vyse at 19:30 - 80,168

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"as a good 55 games, at least, will return to the field."

I'm exceptionally doubtful of that. Even if the nominations decide 55 of them should return Ceej won't allow that many repeat entries.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

8 bit 16 bit and 32/64 bit brackets would be far too easy as the same games would probably get nominated with the same seeding probably, so you'd only have to worry about the matches that were nailbiters last year.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 36/41. Points: 44/50
Future predictions: Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

"as a good 55 games, at least, will return to the field."

I'm exceptionally doubtful of that. Even if the nominations decide 55 of them should return Ceej won't allow that many repeat entries.

I think I agree with Ulti on this one.. Maybe not 55 it's going to be certainly close to 55 if not more..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Well I'm trying to make a bracket by era for the games contest, but I'm having some trouble since I never lived through that era. I mostly looked at the NES and SMS games plus I used some games from last year too. Here's what I have

1. Super Mario Bros. 3
16. Marble Madness

8. Donkey Kong
9. Duck Hunt

5. Tetris
12. Pac-Man

4. Contra
13. Metal Gear

6. Mega Man 2
11. Metroid

3. Final Fantasy
14. Pong

7. Sonic the Hedgehog
10. Super Mario Bros.

2. Legend of Zelda
15. Galaga

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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

It's amusing to see people trolling me simply because I got them modded (and in one case, warned) a bunch of times and think that their favorite game is a piece of ****.

5/10 doesn't exactly scream "piece of ****" to me, but I suppose you're allowed to have your (flawed) opinion.

Now that I've got that out of the way, I'll say this: any hopes of KHF wearing off should be thoroughly dispelled after this match. Luckily, the possibility of Samus upsetting Cloud has recently arisen, so there may yet be hope...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

All I have to say about Sp/SC2k5

We need Diddy Kong/DKC 2.
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Phediuk, I wasn't referring to you. I was making fun of guys like goku z, Ludwig, Kavatar, and the like who think they're cool for trolling someone on the internet. You at least make decent responses to defend your game, whereas they just troll and make themselves look like morons.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Why the hell should Diddy be in the contest? He's right up there with DK in the "Lamest Video Game Characters Ever" club.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

also continues to creep closer and closer to his expected percentage.

It doesn't look like he'll be making his projected percentage. I knew earlier he'd have a hard time at the rate he was going and the night vote wasn't all over him last night. Like you said though it's so close now that it doesn't really make much difference.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Hell, if DK can get in this contest, Diddy deserves to get in.

Hat + Shirt > Tie.

Diddy's end of level on DKC 2 > Everything DK
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Too true, too true. The whole DK clan sucks, IMO.

And by the way, FF8 is an absolute piece of ****. If you don;t like it, good. It makes me laugh when people go out of their way to troll me =)

Another thing I'll happily admit is that I'm a huge LTTP fanboy. So yeah, seeing a game so blatantly based upon LTTP's formula annoys me. Zelda isn;t like Mega Man where you can have the same formula from game to game and not skip a beat. Each Zelda game is its own thing, and I'd rather see them have a little more variety to them. I still say that WW owns D128 if it didn't go with the Cel-shading.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

And going by era again would absolutely suck. Just let them all be scattered all over the field and let them fight over it. That makes things much harder to predict.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Anybody worshipping a single game is just sad.

Except DKC 2. That game is awesome.
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Going by Era again would be easier to get a perfect score on unless something miraculous happen like Starcraft..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

What about a Game of the Year tournament?

There probably wouldn't be enough good games for 64 entrants, but who knows? It might work, and would probably be unpredictable.
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Eh, there's only a few games of the year that are worthy of such a title. Having 64 entrants for that wouldn't be great if you ask me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

That's what I figured.

It would be an interesting way of picking it though.
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Touching on the last few posts:

I actually LIKE Diddy Kong.... the Kong clan got too large, but I don't think many people DON'T like Diddy and Cranky. They just may not care for DK. Diddy is far more likeable and a better character to PLAY with than DK in the DKC series.

Final Fantasy 8's storyline was decent until the end, but the gameplay WAS a piece of ****. After having my perfect save with all the sidequests done, I barely touch it. The only reason I would play it again is to hear certain parts of the soundtrack, and to watch the Sorceress Parade FMV.

LttP is by far my favorite Zelda game. Graphically, OoT was a masterpiece for the series, but I agree that it didn't bring much new besides putting the gameplay into 3-d and adding Epona. The Light World/Dark World story was FAR better than the time story, and it actually INVOLVED you back in forth WAY more in both worlds, rather than the few times you had to go between times in OoT. Everything else about OoT was the built off of LttP. Wind Waker was a welcome change, and the graphics, gameplay, AND story are all great. I just wish it was harder with more dungeons and less sailing. Otherwise, it is easily my second favorite.

The Spring contest NEEDS to be scrambled. I agree that the Spring contest was far too easy. Besides, Starcraft and a few first rounders, the contest was far too predictable. I too expected Chrono Trigger to make the finals with FFVII. The shocking thing to me was LttP being so strong. I thought most people on this site would rally towards OoT. I'm glad LttP did so well. Regardless, mixing up the divisions would make the contest much better and more unpredictable. How would Sonic 2 compare to GoldenEye? Halo vs. FF6? Just random matchups (don't answer).
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Cloud is stopping at 81.24% .. And the match will probably break 90,000 votes.

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

Too true, too true. The whole DK clan sucks, IMO.

Except Cranky, I think you meant to say. Anyone who hates Cranky can't hate the rest of the DK Crew, since Cranky's entire purpose is to insult the others.

And by the way, FF8 is an absolute piece of ****. If you don;t like it, good. It makes me laugh when people go out of their way to troll me =)

Hey, I like FF VIII. It just happens that your opinion differs from mine, and that's not a problem for me. I mean, I'm not the one whose opinion is wrong... >_>

In reference to the Game Contests, I think if we had another one (and I'm not sure that it's a guarantee that we'll have another "official" one), that it would be best to have 64 new entries, then a day of "Winner gets trampled by FF VII".
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Okay, updated the "NeoSpC" bracket with some rearranged seedings and some competitors were replaced based on comments from other users... or because I felt like it. Let me know what you think by providing predictions, unworthy contestants and possible replacements, misseedings and great matches I may have missed... But keep in mind that I followed Ceej's example of divisions by era and one per generation rules to make it look like something more authentic, even if it does take away the opportunity for great matches.

1. Super Mario Bros
16. Asteroids

8. Castlevania
9. Ninja Gaiden 2

5. Punch Out!!
12. Tecmo Super Bowl

4. Adventures of Link
13. Bionic Comando

6. Kid Icarus
11. Excitebike

3. TMNT 2
14. Battletoads

7. Space Invaders
10. Blaster Master

2. Mega Man 2
15. Gauntlet

Removed/Replaced WIth
Centipede/Asteroids
Ninja Gaiden/Ninja Gaiden 2



1. Sonic 3
16. Final Fight

8. Lufia 2
9. Shinobi

5. Mega Man X
12. Mortal Kombat 2

4. Final Fantasy 2
13. Kirby Super Star

6. Mario Kart
11. Star Fox

3. Donkey Kong Country
14. Samurai Shodown

7. Earthworm Jim
10. Link's Awakening

2. Yoshi's Island
15. Ys III: Wanderers from Ys

Removed/Replaced With
Vectorman/Samurai Shodown
Pokemon/Ys III
Lunar/Kirby Super Star


1. Final Fantasy 8
16. Bushido Blade 2

8. Twisted Metal 2
9. Quake

5. Super Smash Bros
12. Shining Force 3 Part 1

4. Crono Cross
13. Grandia

3. Warcraft 2
14. Civilization 2

6. Tekken 3
11. Lunar SSSC

7. Gran Turismo 2
10. Banjo Kazooie

2. Majora's Mask
15. Mischief Makers

Removed/Replaced With:
Kirby 64/Majora's Mask
Wipeout/Gran Turismo 2
Metal Slug 3/Civ 2
THPS2/Lunar SSSC


1. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
16. Seaman

8. Soul Calibur 2
9. Fable

5. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
12. Castlevania Aria of Sorrow

4. Devil May Cry
13. Viewtiful Joe

3. GTA San Andreas
14. Jet Set Radio

6. Grandia 2
11. Disgaea

7. Super Mario Sunshine
10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

2. Ninja Gaiden
15. Tales of Symphonia

Removed/Replaced With
Pikmin/Tales of Symphonia

Notes:
8bit
NG2 following outweighed NG1 following, from what I saw.
For as many games as I wanted to add to the 8bit section I couldn't find much reason to make changes in seeding or contestants...

16bit
I put Sonic 3 in the one seed slot because it seemed like some sort of tradition to have no two games of the same series hold the same seed, despite making LttP look weaker than it should have to casuals last year.
Everybody said Vectorman may be too obscure, so I put in Samurai Shodown since in '93 it was the 3rd most popular fighting game in NA arcades, without much doubt.
Ys III is a personal favorite, and someone else mentioned it, voila! Besides, Pokemon probably can't win a match against anyone anyway unless it gets over seeded to a 3+ and the game it faces gets legit seeding.
Moved Lunar to its PSX version

32/64bit
Scrambled a lot of seeds
Took out Wipeout because, well, I am of the opinion that status shouldn't matter, and after this length of time status is all the first Wipeout may have left to everyone but me. I think the first was the best.
Took out THPS2 because it may stand well with the casuals but that's not enough. Just like being a board favorite isn't enough. A game has to appeal to both.

128bit
One whole change... that I am unsure of being correct. I thought that the division was a bit barren of traditional RPGs, though. All the games I considered removing are the ones I want to keep, and Nintendo already had a high level of representation.

Change DKC to DKC 2. DKC 2 was 10 times better than DKC.
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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

"DKC 2 was 10 times better than DKC."

I'm not sure that I'd agree.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Fine. It was 5 times better than DKC.
Not that I really care though. The series as a whole is good enough that it shouldn't matter which game gets in. Just a personal preference of mine.

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Summer Contest Match 41 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Why Ys III? The TurboDuo version of Ys I&II is easily the best game in the series.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

"The series as a whole is good enough that it shouldn't matter which game gets in."

That's what I'm thining as well.

"Why Ys III? The TurboDuo version of Ys I&II is easily the best game in the series"

One, compilations obviously aren't accepted. We don't Have Sonic3 and Knuckles, we don't have Super Mario All-Stars... basically it has to be a single game, and Ys III holds a special place to me personally as it was my first Ys.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

My 2005 Spring Bracket

8-bit Division

1. Super Mario Bros. 3
16. Marble Madness

8. Donkey Kong
9. Duck Hunt

5. Tetris
12. Pac-Man

4. Contra
13. Metal Gear

6. Mega Man 2
11. Metroid

3. Final Fantasy
14. Pong

7. Sonic the Hedgehog
10. Super Mario Bros.

2. Legend of Zelda
15. Galaga

16-bit Division

1. Chrono Trigger
16. Zero Wing

8. Final Fantasy V
9. Sonic the Hedgehog 3

5. Sonic & Knuckles
12. Street Fighter II

4. Super Metroid
13. Doom

6. Super Mario World
11. Mortal Kombat II

3. Final Fantasy III/VI
14. Secret of Mana

7. Super Mario RPG
10. Pokemon Red/Blue

2. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
15. Star Ocean

32/64-bit Division

1. Final Fantasy VII
16. Dance Dance Revolution

8. Goldeneye
9. Perfect Dark

5. Final Fantasy VIII
12. Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask

4. Super Mario 64
13. Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal

6. Super Smash Bros.
11. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

3. Starcraft
14. Banjo-Kazooie

7. Metal Gear Solid
10. Final Fantasy Tactics

2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
15. Resident Evil

128-bit Division

1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
16. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

8. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
9. Half-Life 2

5. Halo 2
12. Metal Gear Solid 3

4. Metroid Prime 2
13. Sonic Heroes

6. Kingdom Hearts
11. Final Fantasy X-2

3. Final Fantasy X
14. Ninja Gaiden

7. Soul Calibur II
10. Diablo II: Lord of Destruction

2. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
15. Sonic Adventure

Well there it is. I’ll probably mix them together in a few days. What do you think, division wise which games do you think are overseeded/underseeded or what games am I missing and what should I take out?

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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

I think Mega Man X should be included in the 16-bit era.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Chichiri...

8. Castlevania
9. Ninja Gaiden 2

-- Gimme back my Ninja Gaiden 1!!!

2. Mega Man 2
15. Gauntlet

-- Gauntlet still should be replaced with Double Dragon (1 or 2)

4. Final Fantasy 2
13. Kirby Super Star

-- You know...instead of Kirby Super Star...how about Legend Of The Mystical Ninja? :)

1. Final Fantasy 8
16. Bushido Blade 2

-- *cough* There's still that problem with Final Fantasy 8 being in your bracket. *cough*

4. Crono Cross
13. Grandia

-- Should be just Grandia 2 in the next division. It was the one more people cared about and we don't really need two back-to-back Grandias on there, do we? :P It's like putting multiple FF characters in a character battle cont-- oh, that's right.

3. Warcraft 2
14. Civilization 2

-- I'd really like to see these two games split...sucks having two PC games knock each other out in the first round.

1. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
16. Seaman

-- See...you can still include Seaman, but forego F-Zero GX? GX > ALL. I cry now.

32/64bit
Scrambled a lot of seeds
Took out Wipeout because, well, I am of the opinion that status shouldn't matter, and after this length of time status is all the first Wipeout may have left to everyone but me. I think the first was the best.
Took out THPS2 because it may stand well with the casuals but that's not enough. Just like being a board favorite isn't enough. A game has to appeal to both.

-- You know...if it really came down to it, you could throw F-Zero X in here instead. :P

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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Cloud Strife 81.29% 70000
Vyse 18.71% 16110
TOTAL VOTES 86110

Nicely done.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, Sonic the Hedgehog is actually a 16 bit game...

While I like FFV the best in the series, FFIV would do better in a contest.

The first Star Ocean stands no chance. The seoncd would be best, if any.

Perfect Dark needs to be dropped already

The rematches are a waste. Those matches were good when they happened but either they wouldn't be as close the second time over or they deserve to happen later if possible.

Too many FF games, too many Zeldas. They may be the two most popular franchises on this site but it doesn't mean that they should combined rule close to a quarter of the bracket, give or take.

Sonic Adventure sucked.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well, Sonic the Hedgehog is actually a 16 bit game...

Then why is it on the SMS? I thought that was a 8 bit system

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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

I'm pretty sure that was 16 bit.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Chichiri:

8-Bit looks pretty good. I see you followed my advice, and made those switches, so I'd be pretty bad if I ragged on you for those. Blaster Master still seems to be the weak link, but I suspect that you'd be a better judge of the lasting popularity than I would.

16-Bit is good too. I like the switch for Ys, since I suspect it has a better following than you'd think. (Go Adol!) Shinobi seems a little off to me (if anything, it should be brought down a seed or two), but everything else is great.

32/64... WC 2 vs. Civ 2? Ouch. That looks like a decent bracket buster, since both have good followings (although possibly not at GameFAQs). I don't think both Grandias should be in the same contest, and I'd weight it more towards having Grandia 2 in.

128, can't argue with it much, since most of it depends on release time.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Sonic the Hedgehog is a 16-bit game. It's actually not even the same game from what I remember, on the SMS.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

What is the difference between SMS, Sega Genesis, and Sega CD anyway? I remember having Genesis but I remember having CDs and cartridges while I was sure it was a cart only system...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

MM
Sega CD was an addon to the Sega Genesis. You inserted it where the cartridge went and it opened up and used CDs. best game in there... Shining Force CD =)
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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Okay so I probably had that. But what was SMS??
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

i think the SMS (Sega Master System) was an 8-bit system meant to compete with the NES.
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

Sega Master System was basically SEGA's equilvalent of an NES, except more powerful. The Genesis is the equilvalent of the SNES, and the SEGA CD was an addon I believe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

NM

after taking a look at Sonic the Hedgehog pics on SMS it says it came out at 1991, which was probably around the same time it was realsed on the Genesis.

Just a question it goes SMS, Genesis, Saturn then Dreamcast right?
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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

Hm. Okay, so I had the Genesis with CD add-on. There were sonics on SMS too?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

SMS had Sonic 1 and Sonic 2 released on it.

And yeah that's the order, char.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Hm. Okay, so I had the Genesis with CD add-on. There were sonics on SMS too?

yup look at the top 10 http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/sms/index.html
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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

okay so what should I replace Sonic with then?
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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

tag
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Are these the same sonics for Gamegear cause I played those.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Nah, the Sonics on the Game Gear were different, including one that was impossibly difficult.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hm. Well I was a Sega kid but I didn't start until the 16-bit era so the Sonics I had were the first ones for Genesis and Game Gear.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"Should be just Grandia 2 in the next division."

You're right. I forgot that I changed Grandia out for Deception at the last minute last time, so my saved copy doesn't reflect that.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"Are these the same sonics for Gamegear cause I played those."

Considering that they have exactly the same hardware and that Game Gear games were realease on the SMS in many South American countries I'd say yes.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well I just downloaded Sonic the Hedgehog for SMS and Sonic and Tails 1 & 2 for Game Gear. Suffice it to say, they are significantly different. I do remember playing Sonic and Tails 1 when I was younger.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And I just realized Sonic and Tails was actually the third installment on Game Gear.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And yes, of course I'd still include Seaman. I think each recent system deserves representatives... the DC gets Seaman and Jet Set Radio, and to some extent MvC2.

Maybe, just maybe F-Zero can be sqeezed in instead of Deception, but I think there are just a handful of vocal fans and little else. I never saw the great appeal of the series. It was fine, but not exceptional. And if I'm going to add something to appease a minority group I feel it should be one that doesn't have one quarter of the bracket coming from the company of their choice already.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I like to think of it like this. I hate racing games. But I love the F-Zero series. Clearly they did something right. :P
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

F-Zero GX deserves a spot in the contest. It wouldn't do well, so 14 seed tops, but it would do better than Seaman.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

Well here's a revised list

My 2005 Spring Bracket by era

8-bit Division

1. Super Mario Bros. 3
16. Marble Madness

8. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
9. Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse

5. Tetris
12. Metal Gear

4. Contra
13. Donkey Kong

6. Super Mario Bros.
11. Pac-Man

3. Final Fantasy
14. Pong

7. Mega Man 2
10. Metroid

2. Legend of Zelda
15. Galaga

16-bit Division

1. Chrono Trigger
16. Zero Wing

8. Final Fantasy IV
9. Mega Man X

5. Sonic & Knuckles
12. Mortal Kombat II

4. Super Metroid
13. Street Fighter II

6. Super Mario World
11. Pokemon Red/Blue

3. Final Fantasy III/VI
14. Doom

7. Super Mario RPG
10. Sonic the Hedgehog 3

2. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
15. Secret of Evermore

32/64-bit Division

1. Final Fantasy VII
16. Dance Dance Revolution

8. Goldeneye
9. Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask

5. Final Fantasy VIII
12. Perfect Dark

4. Super Mario 64
13. Chrono Cross

6. Super Smash Bros.
11. Banjo-Kazooie

3. Starcraft
14. Resident Evil

7. Metal Gear Solid
10. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
15. Lufia: The Legend Returns

128-bit Division

1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
16. Sonic Adventure

8. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
9. Half-Life 2

5. Halo 2
12. Metal Gear Solid 3

4. Metroid Prime 2
13. Sonic Heroes

6. Kingdom Hearts
11. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

3. Final Fantasy X
14. Soul Calibur

7. Soul Calibur II
10. Diablo II: Lord of Destruction

2. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
15. Ninja Gaiden

Dropped:

Sonic the Hedgehog
Final Fantasy V
Duck Hunt
Final Fantasy Tactics
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance
Final Fantasy X-2
Star Ocean
Secret of Mana
Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal

Replace:

Final Fantasy IV
Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
Secret of Evermore
Mega Man X
Chrono Cross
Lufia: The Legend Returns
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Soul Calibur

Well I'm going to bed now so I'll see your comments tomorrow
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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

Cloud shouldn't reach his projected percentage nor get the highest individual vote total. That about wraps up this match, it should hit 90000 though.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I think Pokemon RBY deserves a 8 or 9 seed.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"but it would do better than Seaman."

Sure, it'd perform better, but again... the idea of the contest is to apease all sorts of people to keep them interested. People who aren't necessarily into the mainstream games would love to see the likes of Seaman and the recently removed Pikmin amoung others. F-Zero has its fans, no doubt, yet Nintendo already has 16 reps. this year we had caps on characters to insure everyone has fair represntation and while I believe it is too limiting as it is I think it's necessary to insure that our cake is cooked with the spice of life (aka variety)
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

At the moment, it looks like the Match could hit 91,000, which I think will make it the second most popular poll. I also don't see why Cloud missing his expected percentage by 0.2% or so should be significant.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Just stating that he wouldn't be able to obtain it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

7. Mega Man 2
10. Metroid

I think MM2 should be higher, and if you can include 2 Mario games, why not MM3?

8. Final Fantasy IV
9. Mega Man X

5. Sonic & Knuckles
12. Mortal Kombat II

I'd switch either FFIV or MMX with S&K.

15. Secret of Evermore

Secret of Mana is far more worthy than Evermore, even if it is just fodder.

15. Lufia: The Legend Returns
Surely there's better fodder than this? Stick in a Lunar or something. Including that crap and not Lufia II makes me sad.

13. Sonic Heroes

One Sonic game is quite enough. Give the spot to Tales of Symphonia, Star Ocean 3, or F-Zero GX.

14. Soul Calibur

7. Soul Calibur II
Do we really need two Soul Caliburs?

All in all, a fantastic bracket, but there's still some notable snubs (DKC/2) and some oddities. I sure as hell wouldn't want to predict some of the earlier matches, though.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

F-Zero GX was made by Sega.

F-Zero GX was made by Sega.

Oh, snap!

It was published by Nintendo, but hey, if Sora = Disney, GX = Sega.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

Shows how boring the contest has been when we're talking about Spring brackets.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Just now broke 90,000.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

No, Ulti. It just shows that you are on part 57.
Ok, yes, contest has been boring as crap.
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http://www.boards.tokyotosho.com

Okay...well, let's try and get back to current topics then...how about this...

How many votes do you think Squall/Kirby will bring in today?
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

HM: You seem kidna insistent on continously bringing that up. May I ask why?

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

The stats topic will always be on fire, but the contest itself is slow as hell on most nights this year.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

HM: You seem kidna insistent on continously bringing that up. May I ask why?

Like, to stay on topic?

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Why am I still awake?

Go Kirby!
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Kirby vs. Squall - Bracket: Squall - Vote: Kirby (48/50)

Nah It won't be 2nd highest. It's heading toward 3rd right now...

1 Sephi over Sly Cooper 77,605
2 Link over Ganon 77,295
3 Solid over Tanner 74,251
4 Cloud over Vyse(as of 11:44pm) 73,866

He might fall short or jsut slip in.
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You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Cloud Strife 81.4% 74000
Vyse 18.6% 16908
TOTAL VOTES 90908

10 mins to go...
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You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Total votes matter to me, and it looks like Cloud has the edge on everyone right now. His polls are attracting the biggest audience per round, though his match with Link will be much closer this year.

And you know, I've realized something about how Xsts can be unreliable. Just because a character scores a certain percentage on another, doesn't mean that he or she will score what he or she is projected to against everyone else. CATS may get between 10-20% against Link, Cloud, or Ryu, but he would also turn around and get that same 10-20% against nearly every other character in a poll. We come close to fitting the range, but we aren't robots when we vote, either. That could explain the occasional differences, such as Snake vs Knuckles or Ganondorf vs Alucard.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Lucid Faia here. And here's a thought.

Link gets a thousands-higher vote total on Ganon than Cloud can get on Vyse, with Cloud/Vyse being the more popular poll. Hmm.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Yeah. That's why I think Sephiroth has a better chance of beating Cloud than Link does.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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85 votes in3 minutes. He may just tie Snake =)... I lvoe meaningless statistics... Obviously it doesn't matter if he finishes above the Snake vs Tanner match... but its fun =)

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You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

And you know, I've realized something about how Xsts can be unreliable. Just because a character scores a certain percentage on another, doesn't mean that he or she will score what he or she is projected to against everyone else. CATS may get between 10-20% against Link, Cloud, or Ryu, but he would also turn around and get that same 10-20% against nearly every other character in a poll. We come close to fitting the range, but we aren't robots when we vote, either. That could explain the occasional differences, such as Snake vs Knuckles or Ganondorf vs Alucard.

I've actually been saying this for a while now. I agree 100%.

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I am Lucid Faia.

What'd you get banned for? LUEshi, right?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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No, I didn't get banned. I got purgatoried for posting an ASCII of a certain FF7 spoiler. I had a topic somewhere where I was basically *****ing about it. It may still be around.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Kirby 48.15% 13
Squall Leonhart 51.85% 14
TOTAL VOTES 27
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Kirby vs. Squall - Bracket: Squall - Vote: Kirby (48/50)

...And where's the match pic?

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I am Lucid Faia.

So... who does the blank slate favor?


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You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Yay, I got fifth vote.
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ugh, no match pic yet? that's kind of....bad to say the least
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So... who does the blank slate favor?

Kirby, obviously. It's one of his powers when he absorbs a 404 website.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Pretty good start.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Link may not be as strong as you guys think:

33 Link
Ganondorf 96.07%

41 Cloud Strife
Vyse 96.48%

Cloud has a higher prediction percentage to this point, but he faced a character outside of his own series. Link did not, and his percentage being lower than Cloud's is not good here.
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Pic is up, finally.
Overload of pink cuteness.
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Arkenaga | aganekrA
It's all the Big Bang's fault - it started everything.

eh, its marginally lower, and ganondorf is much more competitive than vyse, same series or not
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XD squall looks like a women in his pick.
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its actually not a bad picture
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Kirby rocks!

Too bad I need Squall to win...
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<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

That is really a negigable difference, and plus facing someone like vyse that many people have not heard of probably helped him even more.
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"From what I hear, Marking all offensive content in LUE = crossing out all the guys that AREN'T Waldo." -JFlllusion

That's also a picture from one of Squall's scenes from FF8. He sucks as a character, but at least he has a sense of style. Cloud's pics have sucked in this contest thusfar.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Very minute difference there.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

But does a .41% difference in prediction percentages really mean that much at this point?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Considering the circumstances, I think so. Link will undoubtedly do better against Cloud this year, but I don't think he can win. I'm seeing a 50.5-49.5 type of a match.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Link will undoubtedly do better against Cloud this year,

Assuming he gets there. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

eh, if the prediction percentage is going to count for anything, than so should cloud not meeting his expected percentage
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I repeat the last post I made in reference to Xsts.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Don't worry HM, MNega has my vote for sure. I would only vote Magus, Sephiroth, and Laharl above him.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I don't think prediction percentages mean anything as far as how strong a character is. In the end, Link had a MUCH stronger opponent, but SFF played a part in it, so it's hard to tell who performed better.

I will say that let's not forget that Cloud was up against a weakling, our least impressive character to actually win a match. Link had a strong opponent in Ganon, but SFF'd him so bad that he had a better performance against Ganon than he had against CATS. Either way, Link did get the higher vote total, even though Cloud had the more popular poll.

Thanks to CJayC's gimmick character battle, it's still hard to call.

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I am Lucid Faia.

I did just notice that Kirby is actually bringing Squall's lead down.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Assuming he gets there. ;)

I don't think anything can challenge Link until he gets to Cloud.

Even Crono won't even come close.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I would KILL to see Kirby win this. He won't, but still, I'd love to see it.

And then I'd like to see Kirby inhale Cloud, inherit a couple of airplace wings, then slice Cloud clean in half with them XD
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Considering the circumstances, I think so. Link will undoubtedly do better against Cloud this year, but I don't think he can win.

Are you speaking strictly about this year, or does that include next year?

I'm seeing a 50.5-49.5 type of a match.

A finals match that close would kick ass >.>


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think HM was referring to megaman. IIRC he has megaman taking the contest (risky, but worth the risk considering how few probably have him getting past link)..
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"I demand a moderator"
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Don't worry HM, MNega has my vote for sure.

Good to hear. =) More votes the better.

I don't think anything can challenge Link until he gets to Cloud.

Mega Man will be doing some serious challenging come final four time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Still, to a degree its almost like Crono/Magus. A number of people turned their backs on Crono, even though the outcome was never really in jeopardy. And not so many turned their backs on Link, if he had a higher or even equal prediction percentage as Cloud, it would have been significant, not if he barely has a lower one.
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Heh. That didn't last to long, Squall back up to about 164.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Wouldn't it kick ass if the final ended up mega man vs. samus, regardless of how unlikely it is?
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

Link may not be as strong as you guys think:

33 Link
Ganondorf 96.07%

41 Cloud Strife
Vyse 96.48%

Cloud has a higher prediction percentage to this point, but he faced a character outside of his own series. Link did not, and his percentage being lower than Cloud's is not good here.

Link had CATS, Alucard and Ganondorf in his 4 pack. Cloud has Duke Nukem, Vyse and Laharl. Alucard and Ganondorf are much more well known than Vyse and Laharl so they are much more likely to have a favorites/newbie bracket carry them past Link. CATS probably also had his fair share of brackets winning the whole contest.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I would love a Mega Man vs. Samus final battle.

Too bad that's probably not happening.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Well, sheesh, Kirby took it back down to 147.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Me too... MM vs Samus =)

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You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

You have a good point there. Still, I find this talk of Cloud being weaker somewhat pointless. All we've really seen against him through two matches are Milk Nukem votes against Duke and anti-votes against Vyse; basically, Board 8 votes. It's cool to see, but makes little difference if you ask me.
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yup
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Mega Man vs Samus is the championship match my favorites bracket had. They both look very impressive this year. Samus looks much stronger. I would LOVE to see her seriously challenge Cloud or Sephiroth and maybe even win that match.

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I am Lucid Faia.

Honestly, I'd rather see Mega Man vs Cloud purely based on my preference in a Cloud vs Samus match. However, I wouldn't mind seeing two new finalists. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

How long did Luigi lead during his match? A few minutes? 10 minutes? I thought he lead for a little bit at the beginning...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I don't think Vyse got anti-votes at all, at least not to a serious extent. He defeated one of my favorite characters in Laharl, but I still voted for him because as much as I like FF7 and most of it's characters, I hate Cloud. That's probably all that is.

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I am Lucid Faia.

I think he had the first update, so 15 mins then?
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Yeah, I'd like a Megaman vs Cloud final, but I can't decide who'd I want to win that match. >_>
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Arkenaga | aganekrA
It's all the Big Bang's fault - it started everything.

My favorites bracket would be Magus/Laharl, yo.

And my pick of 56.88% in the analysis topic looks like it may hold some water before all is said and done.

Anyhoo, good night guys. Make sure to take note of the new links in the next edition of the stats topic. You never need to ask where the PVTU, Xsts, or match pics are ever again.
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Luigi's lead lasted about a minute at the very most. It was very short lived.
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Luigi's lead lasted about a minute at the very most. It was very short lived.

Luigi was ahead after the first 15 minute update. It wasn't until the second 15 minute update that Squall took the lead. I beleive it was the first match of the year where the character leading after 30 or so seconds didn't win the whole thing.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Luigi vs. squall? Christ I was talking about luigi vs. yoshi. I think I need some sleep.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

Yeah, I was referring to Luigi vs. Squall. I'm going to laugh my ass off at Luigi if Kirby manages to get 44 or 45%. =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Kirby could manage that percentage, you know. Squall hasn't had the typical Square rise in percentage that comes from this part of the poll, and he may go down in percentage with the day vote. I wouldn;t be surprised at all if Squall wound up not even hitting 55% by the time all was said and done. He lost a ton of % to Bomberman, you may recall.
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Score-Brackets-% Right
48----5--------100.0000000
47----82-------100.0000000
46----177------100.0000000
45----278------100.0000000
44----350------100.0000000
43----468------100.0000000
42----659------99.8482549
41----952------100.0000000
40----1385-----99.4223827
39----1717-----99.6505533
38----2347-----99.3182787
37----2661-----99.0605036
36----3094-----99.1596639
35----3151-----98.9527134
34----3013-----98.3405244
33----2687-----97.6553777
32----2473-----97.3716134
31----1946-----96.4028777
30----1566-----94.8275862
29----1161-----93.2816537
28----817------90.5752754
27----639------88.5758998
26----457------86.4332604
25----327------78.5932722
24----222------78.8288288
23----140------72.8571429
22----94-------64.8936170
21----66-------66.6666667
20----56-------60.7142857
19----25-------60.0000000
18----14-------28.5714286
17----8--------62.5000000
16----8--------37.5000000
15----5--------20.0000000
14----5--------0.0000000
13----2--------0.0000000
12----3--------0.0000000
11----6--------0.0000000
10----10-------10.0000000

Nobody with a score of 9 or less got the match right. Everybody within 5 points of perfect got the match right. It would have been 7 but one person who had 42 got the match wrong. I wonder how someone could be only 6 off perfect and still get this match wrong? On the other side, a person with 10 got the match right. Was that a zero bracket? Hopefully it wasn't a favorites bracket because it would suck to see you favorite characters lose so many times.

Nobody fell off the top 50, but you probably knew that already.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Squall dropped 2.17% from his peak in that match. Go Kirby (>^.^)>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

hmm, I was just thinking in the aftermath of mc/frog, people in the pacific coast had an advantage of getting that match either way. in most matches it wouldn't make a difference, but in a close match, getting the friends on your buddy list to vote for who you want would make a difference. and since its earlier on the west coast, more people will be up there, so , they can express their advantage more. match time should have been one or two eastern, and yes that is random ranting at 5 am.
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makes sense


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Going into the day vote... Squall has 58%. Just a bit more than what Alucard had.

If Squall doesn't do something, it's official, he has become quite a bit weaker.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Let's just pretend Kirby became stronger so we can laugh at Luigi. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Or perhaps it's possible that Alucard, and thus, Kirby were stronger than we thought. After all, Alucard did overperform against Ganon by quite a bit.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

What is Squall expected to get on Kirby?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Victim: Squall Leonhart

I saw someone earlier mention a Warcraft II vs. Civilization II match in the Spring Contest.

Trust me--Warcraft II would *easily* win that match. Warcraft has a lot more name recognition than Civilization around here. And name recognition matters. A Civilization game would not be a strong Spring Contest entry--a Warcraft title would be at least decent. Warcraft/Blizzard have a fair number of fanboys around here.

(note that I count the first Civilization as one of my favorite games of all time--I probably spent more hours playing it than any other game in my life; and I've never played any of the main Warcraft games more than a couple minutes, though I've been in the street test for World of Warcraft for a couple of days)
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I would mail in my bracket to see Kirby kick ass on the day vote and take this... a pipe dream, I know. And now some serious downtime until Dante/Tails, which I guess could at least be kept under 60/40... maybe? I'm not sure. Also, I am curious to see if Auron can double Ness, and how SFF-ed Vivi gets. I may just die a happy man if Vivi can crack 25%.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.00% - (ii)Frog over Master Cheif
2) 0.04% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
3) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
5) 8.96% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
6) 9.60% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
7) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
8) 10.86% - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
9) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
10) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 7 - (ii) Frog over Master Cheif
2) 27 - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
3) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
5) 6769 - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
6) 7397 - Ness over Jak
7) 7673 - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
8) 8163 - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
9) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
10) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.80% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 75.66% - Link over CATS
4) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
5) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
6) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
8) 64.78% - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
9) 62.82% - (ii) Cloud Strife over Vyse
10) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 66655 - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 62319 - Link over CATS
5) 57252 - (ii) Cloud Strife over Vyse
6) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
7) 54178 - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
8) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
9) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
10) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 91146 - (ii) Cloud Strife vs. Vyse
3) 91041 - (ii) Master Cheif vs. Frog
4) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
5) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
6) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
7) 88102 - (ii) Megaman vs. Tidus
8) 87935 - (ii) Link vs. Ganondorf
9) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
10) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70413 - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
3) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
4) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
5) 74039 - Dante vs. Ratchet
6) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
7) 75219 - Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman
8) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
9) 75533 - (ii) Luigi vs. Yoshi
10) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 77295 - (ii) Link
3) 74251 - Solid Snake
4) 74199 - (ii) Cloud
5) 72344 - Link
6) 71329 - Cloud
7) 70219 - Megaman
8) 68889 - Samus Aran
9) 65184 - Mario
10) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 10640 - (ii) Ganondorf
4) 12243 - Sly Cooper
5) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
6) 12847 - J.C. Denton
7) 13367 - Luca Blight
8) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
9) 14602 - Ratchet
10) 14721 - Lara Croft

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 45517 - (ii) Master Cheif
3) 43820 - Liquid Snake
4) 37512 - Alucard
5) 37338 - Donkey Kong
6) 36102 - Viewtiful Joe
7) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
8) 35193 - Jill Valentine
9) 34382 - (ii) Luigi
10) 33528 - Gordon Freeman

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 35220 - Ryu Hayabusa
2) 40130 - Ness
3) 41151 - (ii) Yoshi
4) 41440 - Vyse
5) 41691 - Sam Fisher
6) 43775 - Tails
7) 43913 - Frog
8) 45524 - (ii) Frog
9) 47578 - Knuckles
10) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 96.48% - (ii) Cloud Strife over Vyse
9) 96.07% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
10) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 22.56% - Frog over Master Cheif
2) 31.57% - Zero over Tommy Vercetti
3) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
4) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
5) 43.86% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
6) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
7) 46.30% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
8) 48.56% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
9) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
10) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

both Cloud and Link scored bigger blowouts and more votes in Round 2 than they did in Round 1. that's kinda messed up.

i'm also very pleased to see that Squall's strength is severely plummetting. HAH! 56.3% and dropping.

btw - just out of curiosity and lack of anything else to talk about, what does everyone have for the last four close matches?

Sora vs. Hayabusa
Mario vs. Crono
Sephiroth vs. Cloud
Link vs. Seph/Cloud

my bracket is toasted anyways after my Master Cheif upset fell through, but i've got Hayabusa, Crono, Cloud, and Cloud. oh, and HM, i still don't count Megaman as a realistic option. =P

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I can't believe Ganon vs Alucard is still in the top 10 "Hardest Matches". That was a gimme from the start.
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I call it "Self Portrait in Late October"
I call it Last Place. Ding!

Sora vs. Hayabusa
Mario vs. Crono
Sephiroth vs. Cloud
Link vs. Seph/Cloud

Sora
Crono
Cloud
Link
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There was no nudity in Crono Trigger, there was nudity in Crono Cross, making it an overral better game.- Heroic Dr Wily

Sora vs. Hayabusa
Mario vs. Crono
Sephiroth vs. Cloud
Link vs. Seph/Cloud

Hayabusa
Crono
Sephiroth
Seph>Link>Cloud
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .48/50

Sora vs. Hayabusa
Mario vs. Crono
Sephiroth vs. Cloud
Link vs. Seph/Cloud
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 48/50, Next Winner: Squall

Midgar Division: Round 2 - Match 43 – (6)Ness vs. (3)Auron

Moltar’s Analysis

Ness - Known more from SSB than his own game. Sad ? Possibly.

Round 1 – vs. Jak (Ness: 55.08% - Jak: 44.92%)

When you get beat by a character as weak as Ness, you know that isn’t good.

Auron - A supporting character in a FF game? He must look cool then…

Round 1 – vs. Scorpion (Auron: 64.85% - Scorpion: 35.15%)

Scorpion is usually a strong character, but Auron didn’t make it seem that way.

Another very boring match in Round 2. Ness, who’s fodder enough, barely got past Jak. Auron, on the other hand, easily beat Scorpion, who could also probably beat Ness. Auron has quite an easy match this Round, as he will get past Ness with ease.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Auron will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Ness 30% - Auron 70%



Ulti's Analysis

Ness won his debated match with Jak, and his next role is to roll over and die this match. He has zero chance of winning. Zero. But that sure as hell doesn't mean that I won't be voting for him, simply because I'm hoping that Ness can pull out the early vote and make us all laugh =)

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Auron/Auron with 74.18%



Cena’s Analysis

Auron ANGRY! Auron SMASH!

*laughs* Ok, This is a joke right? Ness in round two? Against....Auron? Oh boy, here's goes nothin'!

Ness might have beaten Jak, but nobody could really estimate Jak's popularity. I'm fairly certain Ness is just as weak as Jak, just a bit more popular. It's obvious Ness is the weakest in the second round, and considering Auron's a 3 seed, he's going to completely dominate the boy with the bat. *laughs again* How pitiful.

Cena's Vote: Neither

Cena's Prediction: Auron with 70% (I might be underestimating Ness...but who the hell cares, honestly)
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Kirby vs. Squall - Bracket: Squall - Vote: Kirby (48/50)

Notice how the gap between Bomberman and Kirby is bigger than in 2002, but not as big as in 2003...

Kirby vs. Jill - Jill with 53.34%
Bomberman vs. Jill - Jill with 57.97%
raw difference: 4.63%
extrapolated ratio: 1 to .901

Bomberman vs. Alucard - Alucard with 64.46%
Kirby vs. Alucard - Alucard with 52.21%
raw difference: 12.25%
extrapolated difference: 1 to .744

Bomberman vs. Squall - Squall with 64.75%
Kirby vs. Squall (as of this time) - Squall with 55.76%
raw difference - 8.98%
extrapolated difference: 1 to .797

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Squall was projected to get 58.49% on Kirby according to the 2003 stats.

Looks like a part of his KH boost really went away... he's three points below the projection at 11 AM. In that sense, Bomberman wasn't a fluke, especially if he keeps falling.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

Haste2: At least wait until the match is over, ok? Kirby could end at, like, 46%.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

Yes, you're right. -_-

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Yup, I think the KH factor may be fading...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 48/50, Next Winner: Squall

Hope this makes more people realize that Tidus would beat Squall and Aeris.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

At least for Squall...

RIGHT?!
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

This is great! 3 of my top 4 characters are in the Sweet Sixteen! (Mario, Frog, Squall)

I hope Squall can put up some respectable numbers on Cloud, though. If he gets over 30% I'll be happy.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 48/50 (Yoshi) Pick: Squall

yeah
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SC2K4 Status- Current Score: I dont care/10
Today's Pick: I lost so...

Sora vs. Hayabusa
Mario vs. Crono
Sephiroth vs. Cloud
Link vs. Seph/Cloud

My bracket's been nuked in the first round, although I've only missed Yoshi so far this round. I've got Sora, Crono, and Seph to the final. Not too likely to happen, but if it does I'd guess the 184 score will put me in the top 100 at least.
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Jon Thomson - today: Squall, tomorrow: Auron - 42/50
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Total votes matter to me, and it looks like Cloud has the edge on everyone right now. His polls are attracting the biggest audience per round, though his match with Link will be much closer this year.

But Ulti, Cloud got the most votes per round in the first contest too, and he still lost then. Does that not prove that it doesn't matter?

Hayabusa over Sora
Mario over Crono
Cloud over Sephiroth
Link over Cloud
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Summer Contest Match 42Squall vs. Kirby
Status 39/42 Points: 049 Next: Auron vs. Ness

Sora over Hayabusa
Crono over Mario (Gladly kill off my bracket to see Mario pwn him AGAIN, though)
Sephiroth over Cloud
Link over Sephiroth
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 48/50 (Yoshi) Pick: Squall

I have Hayabusa, Mario, Cloud, and Link.
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BtT: 3:55.70 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Janus, what's your score so far?
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Summer Contest Match 42Squall vs. Kirby
Status 39/42 Points: 049 Next: Auron vs. Ness

Cloud has a higher prediction percentage to this point, but he faced a character outside of his own series. Link did not, and his percentage being lower than Cloud's is not good here.

*cough*Alucard*cough*

Hayabusa
Mario
Cloud
Link

Which gives me a decent chance of winning, since that's not the most common of choices, and I'm currently a (-1).

Ryu
Mario
Cloud
Link (though I'm regretting it. If i would have gone with my gut instead of my head on most of these I would be perfect. I changed this one at the last second and I'm greatly regreting it.)
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See my writings at http://www.alexkaulfuss.com as the GrandioseGadfly
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Heh, more people thought Cloud would lose to Duke than either Vyse or Laharl...
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Jon Thomson - today: Squall, tomorrow: Auron - 42/50
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Janus, what's your score so far?

49. I missed Tails.
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BtT: 3:55.70 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Alright, it's good to see Kirby around the same percentage he had in the first hour. Seems Squall has gotten weaker this year. I can say that with confidence too because his performance with Bomberman only makes this truer.

Squall is expected to get 30% on Cloud next round. I don't see it happening now. And if we factor in possible SFF, Squall could get between 20-25% against Cloud. Ouch.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Kirby vs. Squall - Bracket: Squall - Vote: Kirby (48/50)

Hayabusa over Sora
crono over mario
Sephiroth over cloud
Sephiroth over Link
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Sora vs. Hayabusa
Mario vs. Crono
Sephiroth vs. Cloud
Link vs. Cloud

At minus 3 right now (damn Luigi), I don't think I can win with these choices, but you never know, especially since no one else in this topic thinks that Cloud can repeat.

Squally's looking a little weak at 55%. Maybe people are forgetting the good character in KH and remembering the jerk turned moron of FFVIII. (Sorry, Leonhart)
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Squall could get under 20% folks. We don't really know how pimp-smacked he will get by SFF. And come on Kirby!! Get it under 55%!!

Jerk turned moron?

Squall is anything but a moron....he takes the initiative to kick ass and take names during Discs 3 and 4...plus...Best. Ending. Ever.

Squall is the best main character in a Final Fantasy title, easily. Only competition is Cecil Harvey from FF4.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 48/50 (Yoshi) Pick: Squall

RPGuy, I have the same picks and same score as you. I shot way too high on my tiebreaker though.
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I'd much rather be elitist than an idiot with a misconception that generalizes an entire board.~Bender1616
ZSB [aX]

Speaking of Tidus. We have last year's Cloud, but an intermediate Squall. What about Tidus? Is he the one who got 49% on Ganondorf, or the one who got 42% on Sonic, or an intermediate? Was Megaman's performance due to him dropping a bit? Did Shadow really get anti-Mario votes? Is JC Denton as worthless as AiAi?

This is getting interesting.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

Only competition is Cecil Harvey from FF4

Cecil Harvey? Wow, all these years I had no idea his last name was Harvey. What a terrible last name.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

What about Tidus? Is he the one who got 49% on Ganondorf, or the one who got 42% on Sonic, or an intermediate? Was Megaman's performance due to him dropping a bit?

Why would Tidus drop? You can't take Squall's performance today and then just assume that Tidus would follow. In fact, Tidus gained very, very little from 2002 to 2003 so the whole idea of Kingdom Hearts falling for him wouldn't make any sense. And at the least he did have something in FFX-2.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Hayabusa
Mario
Cloud
Mega Man

oh, and HM, i still don't count Megaman as a realistic option. =P

When he beats Link you'll be considering it. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Speaking of Tidus. We have last year's Cloud, but an intermediate Squall. What about Tidus? Is he the one who got 49% on Ganondorf, or the one who got 42% on Sonic, or an intermediate?

Remember, Sonic would have been expected to get 41% on Link that year, so 42% on Sonic in 2k2 and 49% on Ganondorf in 2k3 really isn't that much of an improvement. Even if we have 2k2 Tidus, MM still gets 47.98% on Link.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

If Nintendo would get off their lazy asses and release Mother 1 & 2 (GBA) in North America, Ness' popularity would skyrocket. How can you just ignore two PK Call'Ns and petitions with tens of thousands of signatures like they have?

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I am Lucid Faia.

Why is it not possible that Alucard and Kirby were just underestimated? Kirby's performing 3% better than expected, just like Alucard did against Ganon.

We see that Cloud's lost no strength and all of a sudden Kingdom Hearts is fading because Squall's underperforming?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Well, who do you think would gain from there being less casual votes?

This site seems to pretty pro-Kirby and anti-Squall, so Squall's "drop" makes sense to me.
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Summer Contest Match 42Squall vs. Kirby
Status 39/42 Points: 049 Next: Auron vs. Ness

But it makes no sense to me that the Kingdom Hearts Factor would be partial.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Any drops in strength don't matter right now since Squall will still win today's match and lose his next one.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

I'm saying that anything with the KHF here is a non-factor. The KHF is either still as strong as it was last year or only a negligible bit weaker. Its simply the site vets/regs being Pro-Kirby and Anti-Squall combined with the lack of casual votes.
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Summer Contest Match 42Squall vs. Kirby
Status 39/42 Points: 049 Next: Auron vs. Ness

could it be there was SFF on Cloud vs. Sephiroth?

maybe, maybe not
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

I wouldn't see how the lack of casual votes would benefit one more than the other.

Also, I'm glad CJayC gave him a good picture and he didn't get his hideous menu picture like Cloud did.

I have a feeling we might see Bat-Cloud vs. Leon next round.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Why is it not possible that Alucard and Kirby were just underestimated? Kirby's performing 3% better than expected, just like Alucard did against Ganon.

Kirby performing 4% better than he should? I don't see why Kirby would possibly do better this year as opposed to last. I don't have much doubt that Squall fell. This is the second time he underperformed.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I really don't buy Sonic, or a lot of people in the 2002 West for that matter losing six points over the span of twelve months for no reason whatsoever. I strongly believe Tidus jumped big time.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

And Alucard "overperformed" by our stats, and by nearly the same amount, too. Maybe that tells you that our stats have underrated them instead.

On another note, this poll is bringing in the voters as well. It's ahead of where Cloud-Vyse was at the same time.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

I have a feeling we might see Bat-Cloud vs. Leon next round.

I was thinking the exact same thing last night.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

I strongly believe Tidus jumped big time.

And I strongly disagree with you. The other characters from KH I can understand, but Tidus jumping "big time" really doesn't make that much sense to me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

And of course, as you said a thousand times before, neither does the alternative.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

And Alucard "overperformed" by our stats, and by nearly the same amount, too. Maybe that tells you that our stats have underrated them instead.

Squall has underperformed twice now. If anything that tells me it isn't the characters he is facing so much as it is him.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

And why is it so hard to believe that Bomberman returned to his 2002 levels? There's no reason to believe that the amount of votes couldn't change a character's strength. Matter of fact, I believe that was a lot of the reasoning people had behind the KHF fading.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Squall has underperformed twice now. If anything that tells me it isn't the characters he is facing so much as it is him.

but both of them were in the same 4-pack

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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

And you know what? Squall underperformed by about the same as he's doing today. Around 4%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

But Squally underperformed twice against characters that were from the same 4 pack last year. Additionally, another member of the 4 pack (Alucard) overperformed, too. Maybe something weird happened in Alucard/Seph, or maybe there was a bit of Seph/Cloud SFF after all. Gordon and Max overperformed, too. I dunno, but every character in Seph's half of his division has overperformed, yet other chars that should be affected by Cloud/Seph SFF not in his half division have not.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

And Bomberman, Alucard, and Kirby were in the same 4-pack last year. Any underestimation of Alucard by the stats rubs off on them as well.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

And why is it so hard to believe that Bomberman returned to his 2002 levels?

Why is it so hard to believe that Squall could have fallen after underperforming by 4% now against two opponents? Taking Bomberman's 2002 levels would have Squall overperforming by nearly 1%. Judging by how he's done for two rounds it makes more sense, to me, that he isn't as strong as he was last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

but both of them were in the same 4-pack

I had forgotten about that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

But if everyone in Seph's 2003 half overperformed, wouldn't that mean Sephiroth should've beaten Cloud?

...reverse SFF occurence anyone?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

Do these results so far imply that Jill would no longer beat kirby?
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Do these results so far imply that Jill would no longer beat kirby?

If Kirby increased from Alucard overperforming she wouldn't beat him. If Kirby didn't increase from Alucard overperforming she wouldn't beat him. Sad I know.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

wouldn't that mean Sephiroth should've beaten Cloud?

...reverse SFF occurence anyone?

That's quite interesting...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

...reverse SFF occurence anyone?

I've been pondering that for a while, actually. Perhaps the hero/villain factor does come into play even when the villain is stronger against common opponents.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

But then, Cloud could just draw votes at will to stay ahead in the rematch, just by virtue of being the hero, even if in fact Sephiroth is stronger...

Let's just say that with that kind of perspective, I don't want to be in the pants of someone who picked Sephiroth to beat Cloud.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

That's part of the reason I said that I wouldn't be surprised if Cloud beat Sephiroth by a wider margin than last year, and that I couldn't imagine Cloud losing.

If only Sephiroth-Auron wasn't a SFF match, that could have possibly told us quite a bit about that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

You know what would be a hilarious match to see? Sephiroth vs. Aeris. Just because of you-know-what.

Wonder what the results of THAT would look like.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

But if everyone in Seph's 2003 half overperformed, wouldn't that mean Sephiroth should've beaten Cloud?

...reverse SFF occurence anyone?

I was thinking the same thing, so let's take a look at characters in Seph's half of the bracket and how they did this year.

Mario's half division:
Mario: can't tell
Shadow: underperformed, I would guess.
Pac Man: blarg
Kefka: over
Crono: normal

Seph's half:
Alucard: over
Bomberman: over
Kirby: over
Gordon: over
Max: over

Snake's half:
Snake: under
Knux: can't tell
Ryu: normal
Milkem: over
Dante: over

Mega Man's half:
DK: can't tell (under?)
Vyse: normal
Vercetti: normal (under?)
Lara: way under
Mega Man: over

The only half division in which everyone overperformed is Sephiroth's. That would imply something strange happened in Seph/Max and Seph/Alucard, which is just weird.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Also, this poll just broke 50,000 votes and we're not even halfway through. Could this one hit 100,000 or come close? I know the numbers slow down toward the end, but it might become the most popular poll so far.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Over 50,000 votes already?

How many did Tidus vs. Shadow have at this point?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Squall-Kirby at this time: 50,610

Tidus-Shadow at the same time: 49,479
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Tidus vs Shadow:

2004-08-10 11:40:28 25624 23885 = 49551

Kirby vs Squall:

2004-09-12 11:41:50 23056 27828 = 50904
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

And I strongly disagree with you. The other characters from KH I can understand, but Tidus jumping "big time" really doesn't make that much sense to me.

It's not so unbelieveable.

Someone who's never playeds an FF game before plays KH, sees Cloud and thinks "Whoa, he's awesome!", and checks out FFVII. They end up loving the game and decide to check out the other games in the series. Since FFX would have been the most recent FF last year, it only makes sense that they'd check out that one first. They then become familiar with Tidus and voila, increase for him.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Kirby 45.31% 23216
Squall Leonhart 54.69% 28020
TOTAL VOTES 51236

Well, at least the Kirbster is trying...
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
*jumps on table while techno plays*

It's not so unbelieveable.

I find it to be considering how recent FFX was in comparison to other titles such as Final Fantasy VII and Final Fantasy VIII. Those I can understand people not playing and checking out, but Final Fantasy X is far more recent and sold more than plenty of copies on the Playstation 2. Him increasing I can understand, but not "big time".

Since FFX would have been the most recent FF last year, it only makes sense that they'd check out that one first. They then become familiar with Tidus and voila, increase for him.

He already increased and that's not the unbelievable part. I find it far to hard to believe that Tidus took a serious increase from Kingdom Hearts.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I do like how today's match is going. I don't care for Squall or Kirby so a 55-45 with Squall winning is pretty good.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

That's a testament to your poor taste.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

500!
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I was born 2 monthes premature, when I was one I was dropped on the porch, when I was 2 I had pneumonia, when I was 3, I had the chicken pox....

"Crono: normal"

Actually, crono was above his expected % against Conker. Conker was expected to take 23.78, he took 22.01. It's minimal compared to others, but since there are always multiple factors it could be of note, who knows.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

That's a testament to your poor taste.

People who like either are the one's with poor taste. Both characters today are crappy.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste.

Not that it matters though. The superior character advances.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Why must you turn Board 8 into a house of lies?
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

^Was directed at HM.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Heh. I'll agree with the superior character advancing.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Squall is a good character. Many people on this board simply dislike him but there's no doubt he's well crafted and is very realistic. His attitude can be annoying at times but Square did a good job of showing the player what he was thinking inside at times.

"Crono: normal"

Actually, crono was above his expected % against Conker. Conker was expected to take 23.78, he took 22.01. It's minimal compared to others, but since there are always multiple factors it could be of note, who knows.

Eh, I was doing it by memory only, and I couldn't remember if Crono was above or below. Regardless, everybody in Seph's half division overperforming is odd.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

And not just slightly overperforming. They've all overperformed to the extent to where it seems like it has to be more than just a coincidence.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

maybe Sephiroth overperformed on his first 3 matches, but doesn't once he gets to characters near his strength

kinda like Dante
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

Sigged.

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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

It's possible, but Sephiroth still could have been stronger than Cloud in 2002 even if PGC hadn't interfered and he had beaten Mario. Perhaps being the hero does prevail over everyone else in your game, regardless of strength. If that's the case, then I have little doubt that Tidus would beat Auron as well. Also, Zidane could possibly be weaker than Vivi and still beat him head-to-head. Who knows?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Sephiroth was equal to Cloud in 2k2 if PGC helped by 2% or more. And consider that even 1% SFF added into Mario/Link along with 2% gain from PGC would put Cloud about equal to Sephiroth.
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No, I've also seen what sports teams you like. You are clearly the one with poor taste. ~Leonhart4

Man, you'd think one of us would have thought about the C/S SFF a long time ago... oh wait, one of us did. Me. Yes, it's very odd, isn't it, but it seems somewhat possible.

As for the idea that Seph overperformed in the early rounds... well, while I wouldn't discount the idea automatically the same would then have to be said of Cloud, at least to some extent. But due to SFF and Characters whose strength is untested otherwise or unimportant the only time we can see a chance of it happening is Cloud vs. Sonic.

While the evidence is sketchier over on Mega Mans division there are still a lot of oddities to be found. Ryu would seem to have stayed the same, but then again KOS could easily be up this year. It'd make sense, really, because last year not everyone had gotten a chance to play her game. Duke Nukem did better, though we attribute it to the Milk. Dante looks better. Tommy doens't really look better, but his first opponent was on Seph's half as well, and his second did pretty mcuh what he was supposed to (too lazy to check). Lara dropped like mad, of course, but Mega Man went up. That drastic rise could be a attributed to anything.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

well I did a lot of moving around in the 16-bit division, but nothing too big

My 2005 Spring Bracket by era

8-bit Division

1. Super Mario Bros. 3
16. Marble Madness

8. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
9. Castlevania III: Dracula's Curse

5. Tetris
12. Metal Gear

4. Contra
13. Donkey Kong

6. Super Mario Bros.
11. Pac-Man

3. Final Fantasy
14. Pong

7. Mega Man 2
10. Metroid

2. Legend of Zelda
15. Space Invaders

16-bit Division

1. Chrono Trigger
16. Zero Wing

8. Donkey Kong Country 2
9. Pokemon Red/Blue

5. Mega Man X
12. Sonic the Hedgehog 3

4. Super Metroid
13. Mortal Kombat II

6. Super Mario World
11. Sonic & Knuckles

3. Final Fantasy III/VI
14. Street Fighter II

7. Final Fantasy IV
10. Super Mario RPG

2. Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
15. Doom

32/64-bit Division

1. Final Fantasy VII
16. Lunar 2: Eternal Blue

8. Goldeneye
9. Legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask

5. Final Fantasy VIII
12. Perfect Dark

4. Super Mario 64
13. Chrono Cross

6. Super Smash Bros.
11. Banjo-Kazooie

3. Starcraft
14. Resident Evil

7. Metal Gear Solid
10. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

2. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
15. Dance Dance Revolution

128-bit Division

1. Super Smash Bros. Melee
16. Tales of Symphonia

8. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
9. Half-Life 2

5. Halo 2
12. Metal Gear Solid 3

4. Metroid Prime 2
13. F-Zero GX

6. Kingdom Hearts
11. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

3. Final Fantasy X
14. Sonic Heroes

7. Soul Calibur II
10. Diablo II: Lord of Destruction

2. Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
15. Ninja Gaiden

Dropped:

Secret of Evermore
Galaga
Soul Calibur
Lufia: The Legend Returns
Sonic Adventure

Replace:

Donkey Kong Country 2
Space Invaders
Lunar 2: Eternal Blue
F-Zero GX
Tales of Symphonia


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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

I am starting to believe that Sephiroth is actually stronger against other characters, and what we saw last year was not Cloud turning out stonger but SFF hurting Sephiroth, so much so that it dropped him below Cloud.

We've already seen evidence that Villains do especially badly against the heroes from their own games. The sheer amount of SFF in Link Vs. Gaonodorf and Mario Vs. Bowser, and even Crono vs. Magus, suggests that SFF is significantly weighted on the side of the Hero in such matches.

And unlikely as it may seem, we will get further evidence for or against it this year, besides Cloud and Sephiroth's all but certain match in the elite eight. Because Cloud faced Auron as well, which should virtually cancel out SFF for comparing the two. I could, of course, be wrong, but if Seph beats Auron by a considerable amount more than Cloud did, then gets beaten in the Elite Eight match, I don't see how that result could be explained, other than reverse SFF against Sephiroth, who while technically the stronger character, gets beaten by hero/villain SFF.


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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Well, it's hard to say if Sephiroth is capable of netting more. less, or the same amount of SFF against Auron that Cloud was last year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Tidus vs Shadow:

2004-08-10 12:50:21 28806 2713 = 55942

Kirby vs Squall:

2004-09-12 12:50:28 25812 31114 = 56926

Today's match is about 1000 ahead of Tidus vs Shadow. If it keeps up it could hit 90000.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Also, if today's performance is just an underestimation of Kirby as opposed to Squall dropping, he would be projected to beat Dante now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

Well, actually, this match slipped from the last comparsion. Before it was ahead by 1353 and now it's ahead by 984.

As for Sephiroth, I think he could have always been stronger than Cloud but when he went against him wasn't able to win due to Cloud being the "hero".
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

That is an awesome bracket, charmander.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Also, if today's performance is just an underestimation of Kirby as opposed to Squall dropping, he would be projected to beat Dante now.

That's if Dante didn't get any stronger and the rise would be all from Kirby. Either way, there's no doubt I'd take Dante in a match between the two.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I wouldn't have even asked you to know who you would take. Either way, a match between them would be closer than expected now, to the point of actually being a toss-up.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
(5) Kirby's status: Rudely awakened

That is a good bracket. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I know you didn't, but I was just stating who I would take in a match between the two. And if it were to happen next year, I'd find it almost stupid to take Kirby given what Dante has done or will be doing later this year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

It is a good bracket, but divisions by era won't work unless you have a 100% new line-up of games. We already know how most of those matches play out, unless they involve new commers or they are very close 128bit competitors.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I have a question about how you guys calculate expected results:

- Kirby is 25.49% against Cloud in 2003
- Squall is 30.70% against Cloud in 2003

Now 30.70/(30.70+25.49) = 54.64%, then why did you guys say Squall is underperforming?

Or is the equation I use invalid?

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

100 - 25.49(Kirby) / 30.70 (Squall) * 50 = 58.48%
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

It's possible, but Sephiroth still could have been stronger than Cloud in 2002 even if PGC hadn't interfered and he had beaten Mario. Perhaps being the hero does prevail over everyone else in your game, regardless of strength.

In 2k3, Cloud v Link and Sepiroth v Mario predicted the outcome of Cloud v Seph, so it doesn't seem like Sephiroth would have been able to win in any way.

100 - 25.49(Kirby) / 30.70 (Squall) * 50 = 58.48%

I see, no wonder my predictions were horribly off.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

In 2k3, Cloud v Link and Sepiroth v Mario predicted the outcome of Cloud v Seph, so it doesn't seem like Sephiroth would have been able to win in any way.

Unless Mario is stronger than he appears because of Link/Mario SFF in 2k2.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

"Unless Mario is stronger than he appears because of Link/Mario SFF in 2k2"

Oh my god! You'd think someone would have come up with that weeks or even months ago... and guess what, I did.

I'm glad that people are willing to seriously consider these possibilities, but why did it take you all so long and why was it generally disregarded when I brought it up in the first place?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The match vote total's today are slowly start to drop every hour compare to Tidus vs Shadow. Wouldn't be terribly surprising if it didn't break 90000.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

I'm glad that people are willing to seriously consider these possibilities, but why did it take you all so long and why was it generally disregarded when I brought it up in the first place?

Because there really wasn't much proof, and there still isn't. I've always considered them (Link/Samus, too), but I still can't manage enough proof to validate anything. It doesn't help that most of the Noble Nine were in the West division in 2k2 or Seph's half in 2k3, either.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

I'm glad that people are willing to seriously consider these possibilities, but why did it take you all so long and why was it generally disregarded when I brought it up in the first place?

There was no hard facts. It's like when HM thought Mega Man has a very good chance of winning.

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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

It's still a good deal ahead of yesterday's match which broke 90k with ease. Sure, today's wont be the most popular match yet, but I imagine it will be able to break 90k.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Thats a pretty good bracket charmander, though I don't get why ToS only warranted a 16 seed.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 47 of 50
Next Match: Squall Leonhart vs. Kirby

Please don't make 500 topics it took me like 45 minutes to read this. (cries)
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I was born 2 monthes premature, when I was one I was dropped on the porch, when I was 2 I had pneumonia, when I was 3, I had the chicken pox....

Have any of the people watching vote totals taken note on what days the higher vote totals take place on? Has anyone kept a tab on the vote totals by day for the other contests? I know I don't have the time for it, and I wouldn't WANT to do it anyways. But just a thought to see if it made any difference....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

The polls with high vote totals are the close matches (except Ryu vs Jill) and anything with Cloud or Sephiroth.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Thats a pretty good bracket charmander, though I don't get why ToS only warranted a 16 seed.

alot of the 128-bit games are underseeded, but I don't see why it should get any higher. Maybe a 15 or 14, but that's about it
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

In sundays, votes tend to come earlier during the day, since most people will be at home.

I really don't think this match will break the 90k mark.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

The polls with high vote totals are the close matches (except Ryu vs Jill) and anything with Cloud or Sephiroth.

Well DUH! I'm talking about comparing matches by days of the week and wondering if anyone has done a study of that. Would Seph/Cloud matches draw more votes on a weekday or a Saturday or Sunday?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Oh. Heh. I would think saturday would always draw more votes no matter who was in the match.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

But Ulti, Cloud got the most votes per round in the first contest too, and he still lost then. Does that not prove that it doesn't matter?

Cloud would have never lost that match if he weren't going up against Super Mario Sunshine being released the day of the match and Planet Gamecube's interference. Cloud would have won that match with relative ease otherwise, and everyone that was here that day knows it.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

This match will break 90k

Auron vs. Scorpion was the closest to 90k

Results at 3:10 Pacific

AvS: 62 813
SvK: 67 903
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

Oh. Heh. I would think saturday would always draw more votes no matter who was in the match.

I think it's more along the line of saturday night and sunday morning.

Most of my american friends wake up at noon or later on saturdays.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Cloud would have never lost that match if he weren't going up against Super Mario Sunshine being released the day of the match and Planet Gamecube's interference. Cloud would have won that match with relative ease otherwise, and everyone that was here that day knows it.

True, but he still would've lost to Link. Probably around 55/45
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

With the whole Alucard/Tails/Auron debacle, I have to second Ulti. Some weird **** went down in that match.

But, it's either that OR considerable Link/Mario SFF. Not both.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

Wait, withdraw that last comment.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

I'd love to see Squall/Kirby break 100,000.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

If Sephy beats cloud, i have no doubt that, unless cloud and sephy both tanked from last year, Sephy will beat link. I think that Sephiroth would have eaten Link last year, beating him with a spread around half a percent larger than Cloud v. Link.

Time to pray that Sephy manages to swing enough around due to various unrealistic and insignificant factors that he can take down Cloud.

Interestingly enough, I can easily see Link beating Cloud. I cannot see him beating Sephiroth. The Cloud v Seph match will decide the final results, but not nesecarily in the way that people are accustomed to talking about it.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I wasn't here for that match and even I thought that based on what I'd heard. But from what I heard, Link was so incredibly dominant that whole tournament that he'd have castrated Cloud anyway.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I think Mario vs. Crono will be the first match to break 100k
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

True, but he still would've lost to Link. Probably around 55/45

I doubt that, even if Link wins it would've been way too close to call.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

True, but he still would've lost to Link. Probably around 55/45

I doubt that, even if Link wins it would've been way too close to call.

we're still talking about 2k2 right?
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

True, but he still would've lost to Link. Probably around 55/45

I doubt that, even if Link wins it would've been way too close to call.

Did you see Link in 2k2? Did you see how his toughest competitor, Sephiroth, only got 43% on him?
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Sephiroth was huge back then, and we believed he was genuinely stronger than Cloud back then. It probably still is the case, mind you.

So, if Sephiroth beats Cloud, he'll cruise his way to an easy championship, that's what you're saying? However, I don't see it happening, for reasons that were talked about earlier.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 048/050 - Matches: 39/41 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Squall - Tomorrow: Auron

The primary problem with doing the Spring Contest by eras again is that all new games would come into the newest division by default, and the rest of the divisions would look pretty similar. One sensible way to do it would be to allow 16 from each era (may as well be the same) and then take four from each to make up a division.
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Jon Thomson - today: Squall, tomorrow: Auron - 42/50
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Did you see Link in 2k2? Did you see how his toughest competitor, Sephiroth, only got 43% on him?

I'd attribute that as remnants of planet gamecube's interference in the Cloud vs. Mario match.

Many more nintendo fans became aware of the contest because of it.

While many FF VII fans prefer Sephy over Cloud, the casual voters as a whole are more familiar with Cloud.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

This vote total seems massive, no?
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Oh noes... The Sephiroth bandwagon comes rolling along....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Is Sephiroth stronger than Cloud? Yes. Will he ever beat Cloud? No.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

okay so Cloud was suppose to get 40% on Link in 2k2, but that's not including Link/Mario SFF.
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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

2004 Rankings

Cloud - 50.00%
Duke - 19.81%
Vyse - 18.59%
Laharl - 14.79%

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Summer 2004 Contest 45/50 Squall vs. Kirby

Wow, I'm surprised to see that Sephiroth is the flavor of the day. He's a yummy flavor, too.

Er, anyway, I see a significant chance for him to defeat Cloud this year, especially if the KH factor has lessened even the slightest bit. Hell, I've said that before; that's why I have him winning in my bracket. The only thing that is really a strike against him in this match is the whole hero/villain chemistry which tends to negatively impact the villain -- however, if any villain could ever overcome that, it's gotta be Sephiroth.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 48/50, Next Winner: Squall

Well really, one would think it would be Magus but that didn't happen.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Well really, one would think it would be Magus but that didn't happen.

I agree. If the most popular character in the game can't beat a mute, it would be quite a stretch to see Seph beat Cloud 1v1.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Jeez.. I had figured Squall would be able to pull 35% on Cloud, seeing as Squall I think could match up better against Cloud(SFF aside) than Kirby..

But I don't know anymore.. looks like another creaming for Cloud.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Unless Mario is stronger than he appears because of Link/Mario SFF in 2k2.

Fine then, Sephiroth vs. Mega Man. Both worked out fine.

Cloud would have never lost that match if he weren't going up against Super Mario Sunshine being released the day of the match and Planet Gamecube's interference. Cloud would have won that match with relative ease otherwise, and everyone that was here that day knows it.

Ease? I was here that day, and I don't recall Cloud winning by such a large margin before the PGC link. And I wasn't talking about just that match, either. If high vote totals meant that much, Cloud would've been stronger than Link, and PGC wouldn't have been able to anything about it.

I'd attribute that as remnants of planet gamecube's interference in the Cloud vs. Mario match.

Many more nintendo fans became aware of the contest because of it.

Do you really think that PGC is that popular? The link did not account for thousands of votes, the change it made was minor at best.

There's no doubt it'll be a creaming for Cloud.

Nintendo fans, in general, hate both Squall and Cloud, so they'll likely vote for the more popular one that isn't "whiny" as they say.

I predict Cloud with aroound 80-85%. Possibly more.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 47 of 50
Next Match: Squall Leonhart vs. Kirby

Cloud will be very lucky to get 75% on Squall.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I'll enjoy seeing Cloud easily take care of Squall. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Really? I think Cloud will have a hard time not getting 80% on Squall. Auron>Squall, and he got what? 26% on Cloud? It would not shock me in the least to see an 85-15% thrashing here, and my oracle pick will be exactly that.
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Anxiously awaiting... SONIC vs. ryu

I'll enjoy seeing Cloud easily take care of Squall. =)

HM, have you even beaten FFVIII? I seem to remember you saying that you'd only beaten one or two RPGs besides FFVII.

tnote...Squall getting a score like that would imply that Auron would beat him with 72%...even if Squall got 20% on Cloud, that would still imply a 62-38 beatdown in Auron's favor. 85-15 is VERY unlikely, even 80-20 is kind of stretching it.

HM, have you even beaten FFVIII? I seem to remember you saying that you'd only beaten one or two RPGs besides FFVII.

I don't know where you heard that. I've played many, many RPGs across all kinds of series. Squall just happens to be on my "I don't care for you." list while Cloud is on my "One of my favorite characters." list.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Auron>Squall, and he got what? 26% on Cloud? It would not shock me in the least to see an 85-15% thrashing here, and my oracle pick will be exactly that.

We're still not entirely sure about Auron being stronger than Squall, because if Scorp fell as little as 2%, Squall is stronger than Auron. I don't think Cloud will SFF Squall to much worse than 30%, 25% at the absolute worst.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

That implies no SFF though. I think Squall will get hit with more SFF than Auron did, simply because this is main character vs. main character. 85 maybe a bit on the healthy side, but I fully expect 80% in a week and a half.
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Anxiously awaiting... SONIC vs. ryu

I think Squall will get hit with more SFF than Auron did, simply because this is main character vs. main character.

Eh? From every indication we have, main char/side char is worse than main char/main char.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Oh, and for some reason, I was thinking Squall gets 33% on Cloud. Must have confused him with Tidus in my head. So change 25-30 to 22-28.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Well, Mega Man moves up on my Top Ten characters.

I just bought MMAC and cleared Bomb Man on MM1.
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Summer Contest Match 42Squall vs. Kirby
Status 39/42 Points: 049 Next: Auron vs. Ness

I don't think SFF will play a big role in Cloud vs. Squall.
Almost every FF VIII fan hate Cloud.

He's predicted to get 30.70% on Cloud from last year.
Taking into account his decline this year, he'll get roughly 27%.
A little bit of casual voter SFF on Cloud's favor and he'll end up with roughly what Auron got on Cloud last year, 26%.

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, Mega Man moves up on my Top Ten characters.

I just bought MMAC and cleared Bomb Man on MM1.

Awesome! =D
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Don't start with MM1. It's hard. Do 5 or 6 first.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

Psh. Do them in order.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, aside from doing them in sequential order, I'd start with one of the two best; Mega Man 2 or Mega Man 3. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Do them in order.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Fine. Nobody agrees with me. Do them in order.
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Current Pick: Squally; Current Vote: Kirby; Points: 47/50
Falcom Paunch!

It is always great to see someone picking up Mega Man Anniversary Collection and having a whole new liking of Mega Man though. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

After beating Bomb Man, I proceeded to game over 2 times in 5 minutes on Guts Man. Yeesh...

Most fun I've ever had game overing though.
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Summer Contest Match 42Squall vs. Kirby
Status 39/42 Points: 049 Next: Auron vs. Ness

Although, I would skip Megaman 4 because I really don't like it... The transition from no power buster to power buster caused a very ****ed up game. And I can't get used to using the charge feature making the game too hard V_V
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

MM4 sucks because of that.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

MM4 isn't as good as others for many different reasons, but the addition of the Mega Buster was not one of them.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

MM4's my favorite, regardless of what ya'll say.

...ha!





Do the games in order, too.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

>_>

Odd.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Harrich that's crazy. You're crazy.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

An honest question to MM fans:

Are any of the latest MM games any good?

I liked the first few games, but the "can't shoot anywhere but forward policy" got really old fast.

Will MM be able to shoot anywhere in the later games?

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Real monsters are not those who has the power to destroy, but those who has the intention to do so.

Well, at least he didn't say something like... Mega Man 6.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

Hush it; MM2 was my first, but MM4 was the only one I ever owned and I grew up with it. Therefore, it's my fave.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

DONT LAUGH!! I never played megaman games. is the megaman anniversary collection a good investment or should I look for individual games??
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Score: 45/48
Midgar Picks: Cloud, Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

Or Mega Man 7. Good gameplay, but the music/script/graphics/bosses all suck. Except the last Wily, of course.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I'll stick to the emulation version of the Mega Man series. WAAAAY too much dying involved to not have save state. Booyah. And MM2 is definitely the platinum of the series. MM1 had me looking for sharp objects, even with save state. <Shudders at the thought of guts man level>
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Anxiously awaiting... SONIC vs. ryu

People who say MM6 would be...wait, I don't have room to talk right now. Sorry.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Booyah.
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Anxiously awaiting... SONIC vs. ryu

Guts Man's level is not that difficult.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Ok, make it 6 game overs in 10 minutes on guts man.

Made it to mid-stage once.

yeesh.
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Summer Contest Match 42Squall vs. Kirby
Status 39/42 Points: 049 Next: Auron vs. Ness