We'll need this soon.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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*is Ultimaterializer*
Lettuce Kefka is my God!!

*tag*
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Shadow doom blaze who?
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46/46 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

WTF?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Just marking my territory.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Despite the cool name, Shadow Doom Blaze was a pretty pathetic attack.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I say this everytime I see you you post with this account. But I'll say it again, nice sig >_>
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Ahem! There's LETTUCE on my boots!
http://www.geocities.com/lettucekefka/

OMG WTF BBQ not a stats regular kill maim pillage destroy Oklahoma Arizona Yearrrrrrgh!!!!!

*Checks User Info*.

Oh.

Anticlimactic/10.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

"Dante is on par with Knuckles (no better)"

God I wish you'd stop talking. Dante is ahead enough to make him a clear winner. Sure, they are close, but they are by no means dead even.

"People hate frog and I doubt that Frog will get over 37% aganist Snake."

Considering the Frog = MC and MC would have done almost the exact same thing to Snake as Knux I'm going to have to say you're wrong, again. That make what, 100 times wrong and 0 right?

"I'd give Knuckles a slight advantage."

And I thought Smurf was cracked out...

"Knuckles VS Dante doesn't matter, since Ryu(SF) will be higher ranked then both and reach the top 10 again according to the explorated stats."

That sounds about right to me.

"Tidus may actually come in at number 10"

It's possible.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I think the number 10 spot will come out of the Chaos Division (Ryu). Hyrule and Midgar are riddled with SFF and Zero will face SFF as well. Tidus didn't do well enough against Mega Man to take it. The only way he gets it is if Mega Man wins the whole thing. That means by default, MC/Frog/LS won't get it, because they are under Solid Snake, who will most likely get beat by Mega Man. I don't think Frog will do enough against Snake to overcome the gap that Mega Man will have over Snake, which means that Frog won't pass Tidus. This leaves the Chaos division. If Sonic makes a good match with Samus (which I think he will), then he takes Ryu with him, who should make about as good of a showing as Zero did last year. I think Samus will really bring it to Cloud/Sephiroth. And we all know that Link vs. Cloud/Sephiroth will be extremely close so Samus will stay near the top of the ranks, bringing Sonic and Ryu up with her.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

How come the usual rapid-fire discussion has stopped?

Not that I'm complaining...these things move too fast as it is.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Wow, I really wish I had stayed up for that match. New records are fun!
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
{34}

Dunno..... maybe the alt makes the topic more obscure. Especially since we had that whole mishap of everyone vouching to start their own and the jokes played thereafter. Maybe people think this is a joke stat topic as well.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

it's my curse.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Jeez. I come home from school and I have a whole new full stats topic to read.
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"Shut up, sit down, relax. I'll tell you what we're gonna do. You're gonna find out who took our cocaine - and then, I'm gonna kill them.--Tommy Vercetti

Hm... Okay. I have bounced back from my disheartening defeat at the hands of that wretched frog and now have a new spurt of confidence. RYU WILL DEFEAT SONIC! MARK MY WORDS! IF HE LOSES I WILL... not have any chance at winning this contest =(. Vote for Ryu. Remember, I'm that crazy ex-perfect who picked Master Chief. Support me! ^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Sorry HM, but Mega Man does not have a chance in hell of winning this tournament.

Please. Present me one piece of proof that says Mega Man cannot win this contest. Obviously the performance yesterday didn't do it for you, for some odd reason.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mega Man was close to Sephiroth. Enter KH. Mega Man got clearly defeated by Sephiroth, who in turn was clearly defeated by Cloud. Enter MMAC. Mega Man gets a minimal (if any) boost thanks to this compilation. Enter Advent Children. Cloud and Sephiroth will see a comparative boost thanks to the sheer hype created. I am not even bringing Link into this equation. Even if hell freezes over and MM somehow takes down Link (which, mind you, I will close my account over if it happens). There is even less of a chance that he will follow that up by defeating either character that this website holds dearest. GameFAQs=Final Fantasy VII Heaven. That is clear enough for me, but given that you did not consider MC's 3000 vote raping of Frog during the day yesterday a raping, I highly doubt you will believe this either.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Mega Man was close to Sephiroth.

Expect Mega Man to be very close to Link as well, if anything it is far more likely to play out this year as opposed to last.

Enter KH. Mega Man got clearly defeated by Sephiroth, who in turn was clearly defeated by Cloud.

Of course. That is the time when Cloud, Link, and Sephiroth all were on a tier of their own. Obviously, two new competitors look to have entered that formula.

Enter MMAC. Mega Man gets a minimal (if any) boost thanks to this compilation.

Really? I didn't know going from being projected to winning with 55% and actually winning with 65% meant you got little to no boost. Nice work there.

Enter Advent Children. Cloud and Sephiroth will see a comparative boost thanks to the sheer hype created.

Hah! That's the most laughable thing I've heard. Neither of them have performed to the point where it looks like they got a "comparative boost" due to the hype. There are some people who don't believe it would do anything from being a movie, and even I agree that hype for it won't do a thing to either of them. This is obvious, tnote.

I am not even bringing Link into this equation. Even if hell freezes over and MM somehow takes down Link (which, mind you, I will close my account over if it happens).

Wow, you'd close your account over Link losing? Might as well prepare yourself ahead of time then. ;)

There is even less of a chance that he will follow that up by defeating either character that this website holds dearest. GameFAQs=Final Fantasy VII Heaven.

Yeah, and obviously nothing else other than those three can win right? Excuse the fact that Link wouldn't be projected to get more than 65%, and Mega Man got that much. But hey obviously anyone else winning is impossible.

That is clear enough for me, but given that you did not consider MC's 3000 vote raping of Frog during the day yesterday a raping, I highly doubt you will believe this either.

You haven't presented a damn thing for me to believe after witnessing Mega Man vs Tidus.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And at the time I hadn't consider it'd "raping" the day vote simply because he hadn't comeback from 3000 when I had said that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I just noticed, Snake's doing even worse than he was last year. No chance of him winning the division now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I wasn't here for the end of yesterday's match. Can someone tell me how Frog took over and how much he won by?
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune

He won by 7.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I wasn't here to see what happened, but he won by a mere 7 votes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I will in fact close my account if Link loses to MM. I believe MM to still be a good deal below Clinkeroth. I fully expect Link to lose to Cloud, however. The thing about MM's expected 55% is that it comes from such close matches. I have beaten this to death about the Spring contest, but I will say it again: Division 128 is good for nothing when it comes to X-St. So what, you say? I say this because the entire division is so damn close. Tidus' strength comes from a close victory over Shadow, and a close loss to Ganondorf, who followed with a close loss to Magus. Close matches are the ones that will lead to the biggest fluctuations. I think Tidus is stronger than the board in general gives him credit for, but by no means is as strong as the X-St. would have us believe. Now don't get me wrong; I did not think MM would break 60% on Tidus, but that extra 5% is nowhere near enough for me to think that MM has a chance at Link. And you can mock my logic in regards to Advent Children all you want, but when Cloud wins this tournament, and Sephiroth finishes 2nd in the X-St., there will be no evidence contrary to the statement of Advent Children helped SUSTAIN the boost the FFVII boys received from KH in the previous contest.
Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Wow. I don't think I have ever seen one of these below 300 posts.
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That wouldn't work. The Hulkster is invulnerable to any and all attacks while he's hulking up.-Lucid Faia

Well we finished two in under a day I think so it's only natural you finally saw one with such low post counts. After all, there have been 3 made in two days.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Snake is actually doing worse than he should...I want to see Sonic's match against Ryu now. We may have a Super 7 after all.

Oh, and if Tidus isn't as strong as the XS make him out to be, why did he beat the guy who got 45% on Mario?
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I will in fact close my account if Link loses to MM.

Get ready too.

I believe MM to still be a good deal below Clinkeroth. I fully expect Link to lose to Cloud, however.

I don't see a reason in the world for him still to be a "good deal" below those three. But then again, most people believe these three will always win. *sigh*

The thing about MM's expected 55% is that it comes from such close matches.

Not even including those three matches you have Shadow, who got 45% on Mario. Tidus beat Shadow and by the slimest of margins. Considering the fact that Mega Man = Mario and Tidus = Shadow you get that last year he should have gotten 45% on Mega Man. This year it still turns around to be a whomping 65%. Doesn't matter how you cut it, he's definitely increased from last year. I don't see a reason for Tidus not to be on that level of strength nor do I see a reason for him to have fallen downward after last year, especially to the point of taking how Mega Man's ability to contend with Clinkeroth.

I think Tidus is stronger than the board in general gives him credit for, but by no means is as strong as the X-St.

Why? He'll be ranking that high for nearly 3 years now. In 2002 he was high, in 2003 he was high, and in 2004 he should be high. It goes against it so much after he does it consecutive years.

Now don't get me wrong; I did not think MM would break 60% on Tidus, but that extra 5% is nowhere near enough for me to think that MM has a chance at Link.

The fact that you think 5% is minute in the first place is astounding. Mega Man more than has a chance at beating Link, and if you don't think he will fine, but don't say he doesn't have a chance.

And you can mock my logic in regards to Advent Children all you want, but when Cloud wins this tournament, and Sephiroth finishes 2nd in the X-St.

It's quite stupid to be honest. You believe something that, right now, as such mixed opinions and is only initially appealing to those who already liked Final Fantasy 7 is quite funny. Hype has obviously never shown to be something major before and it should not be in the case of a movie. I even think it'll help them out next year and will put Cloud as my winner, but you'd be asinine to believe it'll help this year.

there will be no evidence contrary to the statement of Advent Children helped SUSTAIN the boost the FFVII boys received from KH in the previous contest.
Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Can't wait. It's still laughable as far as I'm concerned.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's one thing to think Halo 2 hype will have any significant bearing on a match. It's a whole 'nother enchilada to think FF: AC will.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

So what do you think Cloud needs tomorrow to match/exceed Megaman's 65% on Tidus? I mean, performing 10% better then expected is quite a big deal, and Samus is going to do a wonder on Sam. Cloud is going to need to put up some solid numbers, and I'm expecting him to do so.

Let me say if the Air Pirate can put up better then the 18.43% he's expected to get, (and conveniently end up below Milk Nukem in the X-Stats this year, lol), I'd be a little cautious about his future. I'm thinking if Mr Strife can do above 84, I'll be confident in him to win the contest. Either way, if Vyse does better then Milk, I'd fear anti-champion votes.

43 West 11 Vyse 19.05% 18.43% 11 0 1 1 0
44 North 15 Isaac 18.72% 18.11% 11 -4 1 1 0
45 West 12 Duke Nukem 18.46% 17.86% 12 0 1

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

This argument is like headbutting a brick wall... nothing good comes from it, and my head is starting to hurt. We will just leave it as is, and when Link puts down MM in the final four, only to be taken out (by a similar margin as last year, no less) by Cloud, I will just chortle. And if Mega Man takes down Link... well I won't even be around to listen to you gloat. That in and of itself is reason enough to bid adieu to the wonderful world of Board 8.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Oh, and if Tidus isn't as strong as the XS make him out to be, why did he beat the guy who got 45% on Mario?

Dunno if Shadow is a fluke or not, people expected Shadow to get that 45% due to Mario anti votes scince Servbot and Morrigan overpeformed against Mario, be people figured that they never exsisited becuase JC was blown away by Mario, but Mario did underpeform against Bowser, even with SFF, so the anti votes might still be out there and JC is just that weak.

If Vyse overperforms, it would be two matches in a row where Cloud did worse than expected, and that would be worrisome for people like me who have Cloud as the winner. If Vyse breaks into the 20's, either anti-champ votes exist or Cloud just isn't as strong as he was last year. Given the dominating performances of the non-Snake members of the Noble Nine this round, especially Link (even with SFF) and Mega Man, Cloud needs good numbers tomorrow.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

As for Tidus beating the character that got 45% on Mario? Here-in lies the theory of Mario anti-votes. Do I have proof? Well I have persuasive evidence, unfortunately it is not convincing evidence (and unless you are an auditor, I don't expect you to know the difference). If Mario anti-votes exist, then Shadow overperformed, and as such his close match with Tidus shows that Tidus' close matches from years past, in fact, have skewed his X-St. rating. I buy this wholeheartedly, as it also helps explain the ludicrous 10% gain for MM. Realistically, I think it closer to 4-6%. But I do not know the extent of Mario anti-voting.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

If Shadow is really that strong, then Mega Man defeating Link is actaually possible, if not Mega Man still has a way to go.

And maybe Mario antivotes don't exist. What if Servbot was merely a fluke, it being the first match ever, and Morrigan's percentage was legit? Honestly, Morrigan would rank around Scorpion and Felix in the 2k3 stats, and that's not that much of a stretch. Either way, both of those are from 2k2, not 2k3 or 2k4.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

RPGuy your sig rocks.

Also I suicided my account because I thougth that Frog lost. 0.o
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
The Original Second Shadowdude.

If Akuma the Hedgehog is that strong, then Snake stands no chance against Blue Boy, and Link could be looking at an upset.

Thanks. I usually have something in there related to the match at hand or upcoming matches, but I can't think of anything for Sora/Hayabusa, so it stays as a tribute to Frog's 7 vote win.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

We have no proof as to anything existing outside the medium of the direct matches we view. It is all theory. Thus the discussion topic. It is my theory that Mario anti-votes do in fact exist, and that JC Denton is in fact weak enough to otherwise throw up 10-13% on a Mario-proxied character. Outside of Denton, we already have Servbot and Morrigan severely overperforming (in relation to what common sense tells us), and then there is Shadow, who more or less began the entire anti-vote discussion. Fact of the matter is if they do exist, MM's win over Tidus isn't as impressive, and he is still a ways behind Link. Could I see Link slapping up 60% on MM? No, but if the anti-votes do exist there is a good chance Mega Man might not win a single 15-minute period in that match.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

So if by some divine intervention Ryu actually DOES beat Sonic, what do you guys think the prediction % will be on that match?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

18%

God I hope so, I just look at my Street Fighter Controller and it fills me with joy and semen.

So if by some divine intervention Ryu actually DOES beat Sonic, what do you guys think the prediction % will be on that match?


25%
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .44/46

Given the dominating performances of the non-Snake members of the Noble Nine this round, especially Link (even with SFF) and Mega Man, Cloud needs good numbers tomorrow.

You know, this just made me think of something. Remember in the Spring when Zelda games were owning the contest for the first two and a half-rounds and making everyone think an all Zelda final-four was a strong possibility, but low-and-behold FFVII, CT, SMB3 and SSBM all pull sneak by them into the final four, the last three of which all put up unconvincing performances vs Super Mario World, Final Fantasy and Metal Gear Solid 2, Vice City and Final Fantasy X respectivly?

I think this is something Heroic Mario needs to consider. Sure, Megaman owned Tidus and Samus owned Lara, but LoZ owned Tetris, LttP owned SM, and OoT owned SM64 and Goldeneye. Perhaps Megaman and Samus have "Zelda syndrome". IE, vastly exceeding expectations in the first two rounds, only to fall flat (although LttP did give CT the fight of it's life, despite the anti-climactic ending) in the face of a real threat.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Through if the Mega Man anniversy collection can help Mega gain 10%, then Street Fighter Anniversy Collection isen't something to down at.

If that happens I'd probably have this contest as won as a panda on acid.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

5.03%.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
The Original Second Shadowdude.

WW was eliminated by Starcraft.
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"ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune

Megaman owned Tidus and Samus owned Lara, but LoZ owned Tetris, LttP owned SM, and OoT owned SM64 and Goldeneye.

Zelda and Link ALWAYS get same fanbase factor and cake opponets for the first two rounds.

If Ryu defeats Sonic, I will be shocked if more than 10% get it right. I mean our bad prediction percentages come from gaming icons. Master Chief, Tommy Vercetti, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, Jill Valentine. These are names that people know, and as such think are going places. In a Ryu/Sonic match, Sonic is the gaming icon. So the only people who are going to pick Ryu are favorites, zeros, and those who know he really isn't all that far from him. The casual bracketeer isn't going to pick Ryu because he has better name recognition.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Scenario: Mega Man didn't change between 2k3 and 2k4. Mario antivotes cause Shadow to appear overinflated.

Tidus/Cloud based on his performance on Mega Man: 26.31%. Tidus is between Alucard and Yoshi.

Shadow/Cloud based on above: 25.88%. Shadow is between Kirby and Knuckles.

Shadow/Mario without Mario antivotes: 35.02%. Total % of Mario antivotes: 9.88%. Shadow's XS boost due to Mario antivotes: 7.3%

If any of that looks believable, I pity you.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I hope Ryu/Sonic goes the way of the MC/Frog. I think it is clear what vote trend each competitor is similar to.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ryu himself is a gameing Icon as well, poerhaps more famous worldwide than Sonic is now, due to Street Fighter stuff like the controllers and stratagey guide (Probably sue to comming with the SFII TS Soundtrack) flying off shelves.

Oh, and Sonic's no popular in Japan anymore.

...and it doesn't, so throw your sympathy somewhere else. I said a 4-6% inflation for MM seems far more realistic to me than the 10% one we are currently imputing. And all of those numbers become more believable if you cut everything in half. Shadow getting 41% on Crono? Yeah, I'll buy that.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

God, I HATE that stupid i-pod ad.

Audio ads should be illegal.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

God, I HATE that stupid i-pod ad.

Audio ads should be illegal.

DAMN STRAIGHT!

"Oh, and Sonic's no popular in Japan anymore."

Sonic was never popular in Japan to begin with.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Wow, Knuckles has knocked that percentage down over 1.75% in the past couple hours. I mean, it's no X-Box day vote, but good to see Sonic characters aren't losing their touch. By the way, what is Tails expected to get on Dante?
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

This argument is like headbutting a brick wall... nothing good comes from it, and my head is starting to hurt.

Should be. You've presented no reasoning whatsoever that says Mega Man doesn't have a chance against Link. Don't tell me he can't and then back it up with absolute garbage.

We will just leave it as is, and when Link puts down MM in the final four,

Other way around.

And if Mega Man takes down Link... well I won't even be around to listen to you gloat. That in and of itself is reason enough to bid adieu to the wonderful world of Board 8.

Fine by me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

As for Tidus beating the character that got 45% on Mario? Here-in lies the theory of Mario anti-votes.

Yawn, yawn. There's nothing to say that there have ever been Mario anti-votes that mattered significantly and judging by his first round performance it doesn't seem like there would need to be.

Do I have proof? Well I have persuasive evidence, unfortunately it is not convincing evidence (and unless you are an auditor, I don't expect you to know the difference).

You provide some good laughs.

If Mario anti-votes exist, then Shadow overperformed,

Well, no joke. The problem is providing something that says they actually exist.

I buy this wholeheartedly,

You obviously don't realize exactly where that would put them, and it's absurd to think they are both that low. And again, I'm waiting for your explanation on how or why Mario anti-votes exist in mass.

as it also helps explain the ludicrous 10% gain for MM. Realistically, I think it closer to 4-6%. But I do not know the extent of Mario anti-voting.

Ludicrous? Why, must I ask, is it ludcrious? We've seen a similar boost before. And even if you believe it's 4-6% your absolutely insane to believe that's little to nothing (like you went about saying earlier)

We have no proof as to anything existing outside the medium of the direct matches we view. It is all theory. Thus the discussion topic. It is my theory that Mario anti-votes do in fact exist,

I still don't see why Mario anti-votes would exist. If anything people have thrown that around for a quick explantion, but judging by this year it doesn't look to me like there has ever been reason to think there are Mario anti-votes.

and that JC Denton is in fact weak enough to otherwise throw up 10-13% on a Mario-proxied character.

I'd imagine Denton getting just what he got on someone who's equal to Mario, like Crono.

Outside of Denton, we already have Servbot and Morrigan severely overperforming (in relation to what common sense tells us),

Servbot looks like it, but Morrigan being that strong isn't that much of an oddball. She's got plenty of reason to have been that strong and not rely on Mario anti-votes. Like RPGuy stated before, Servbot's match being the first could have had something to do with it.

and then there is Shadow, who more or less began the entire anti-vote discussion. Fact of the matter is if they do exist,

Like hell. I still haven't seen a reason that is believable as to why Mario anti-votes exist. It's not like he has close encounters with people who are absolute weaklings and he still managed an easy 80%+ victory over Denton, when most were expecting these anti-votes to bring him down into the 70's.

MM's win over Tidus isn't as impressive, and he is still a ways behind Link.

Assuming that Tidus has been helped by some factor for three years. Makes plenty of sense, right?

Could I see Link slapping up 60% on MM? No, but if the anti-votes do exist there is a good chance Mega Man might not win a single 15-minute period in that match.

The odds of Mega Man not winning a 15 minute update seem far to unlikely to me. If anything he'd do the best at night, though we've seen him perform quite well during the day.

I think this is something Heroic Mario needs to consider.

The problem with that is we had no idea just how each of those games should have done. We have an absolute crystal clear picture of how Lara, Samus, Mega Man, and Tidus are all suppose to perform in their respective matches. We don't know 100%, but accurate enough to get the idea. With the game contest we had no clue whatosever of how each of those games should perform thus the blowouts signified that they were on track to all be in the final four.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And good Lord Snake could fall under 60%? Makes me happy to see him doing even worse than last year. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

In a Ryu/Sonic match, Sonic is the gaming icon.

And Ryu isn't? Sure, he's not as high level as Sonic is, but make no mistake Ryu is a gaming icon as well.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Geez, Snake falls fast...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Geez, lackluster performance by Snake here...he'll probably finish under 60%.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if Mega Man overperformed against Tidus. I won't be convinced he can beat Link until I see what he does against Snake. That will give a more accurate assessment of where he stands this year.

As far as who will get 10th in the extrapolated rankings, Tidus doing worse against Mega Man than expected doesn't necessarily mean he's any weaker. Unless that turns out to be the case, the spot is his to take.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And Ryu isn't? Sure, he's not as high level as Sonic is, but make no mistake Ryu is a gaming icon as well.

If you had someone holding a gun to your head and asked who is the gaming icon of Sonic and Ryu, who would you pick? Almost everyone would pick Sonic.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

In comparison to last year:

Solid Snake 63.13% 61038
Knuckles the Echidna 36.87% 35646
TOTAL VOTES 96684

Knuckles the Echidna 39.33% 21630
Solid Snake 60.67% 33371
TOTAL VOTES 55001
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If you had someone holding a gun to your head and asked who is the gaming icon of Sonic and Ryu, who would you pick? Almost everyone would pick Sonic.

I never argued that Sonic wasn't more of a gaming icon than Ryu nor did I try to challenge Sonic's icon...ness. I was simply saying that Ryu is also a gaming icon, and I wouldn't expect the percentage to fall under 20%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh. I haven't been reading well since yesterday... I think when MC lost by 7, a piece of my soul died.... But yes, Sonic is much more of an icon.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ryu vs Sonic is going to be a closer match than Samus vs Sonic.

2002 results

Knuckles the Echidna 39.29% 26748
Solid Snake 60.71% 41335
TOTAL VOTES 68083

As I said before, it appears that Sonic Team's 2003 drop was an aberration. They all look to be back where they were in 2002.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Indeed. I'm expecting quite a fight from the legendary street fighter.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And as of now I'd like to take the time to give my apologies on earlier for being as harsh sounding as I was. It just gets out of hand when I see people trying to make excuses for why he did so well, when they believed he could never do that well in the first place. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm PRAYING that Ryu puts up more than just a good fight.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Nah, I expect Sonic to beat Ryu at least 60/40, if he's back to his old level. Even if both were at 2002 levels, Sonic would win 58/42, and since Ryu doesn't appear to have budged from his 2003 numbers (which are lower), the Blue Blur ought to take this one rather comfortably.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And Ryu 2003 would only be expected to get 37.38% on 2002 Sonic. Sounds good to me.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm quite confident in Ryu breaking 40%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Knuckles vs. Snake

Couldn't check the polls this morning, was in a hurry.

I just got home about 15 minutes ago too, so I just have one thing to ask...

HOW IN THE BLUEST OF BLUE HELLS DID FROG CATCH UP!?

I mean, Chief made a 2,300 vote catch up in a couple of hours, extends his lead to 600, and BLOWS IT right after I leave. And I thought Chief couldn't get embarrased worse than he did in the Spring. I mean, my heart nearly jumped out of me when I saw Frog had only won by 7 votes....wow

Anyway, today, Snake is...not doing as well as I wanted. Mega beat Tidus, a harder opponent, by more than Snake is beating Knuckles. Could this just mean that Knuckles went back to his 2002 numbers? Or is Snake underpefroming?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

No way. It's MY turn to be right! ;)
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm quite hopeful in Ryu breaking 50%.

Hey, sometimes the stats can get a totally surprising curve ball.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Nah, I expect Sonic to beat Ryu at least 60/40, if he's back to his old level. Even if both were at 2002 levels, Sonic would win 58/42, and since Ryu doesn't appear to have budged from his 2003 numbers (which are lower), the Blue Blur ought to take this one rather comfortably.

I completely agree. HM i'm sorry, but if sonic really has returned to 2002 levels ryu has no chance to hit 45% like you said he should. And so far everything suggests (although i'm very much willing to eat my words if i turn out to be wrong) Sonic will beat Ryu by about 60-65% to 35-40%.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

And another thing, for those who say Sonic is the weakest of the elite, you may have to change that if snake falls under 60%, as I guarantee you Sonic would get around 65% (this is a guess because SFF would probably make the result alot more of a blowout).
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Could this just mean that Knuckles went back to his 2002 numbers? Or is Snake underpefroming?

Probably both of them going back to 2002 numbers. A 2003 Snake would be expected to get 61.55% against a 2002 Knuckles.

So, odds are they are both back to 2002 numbers.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

^^^^
knuckles would have had to have gained alittle from his 2002 numbers if he finishes above 40%
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Ryu not getting 40% against that craptastic hedgehog would indeed make me sad.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

then expect to be sad HM (sry i just had to say it).
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

I'm still expectin' Ryu to break 40%. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I forget exactly what I had in the Oracle challenge (and regret swapping Mario up 5 points to 78%ish in a SFF-induced moment of madness... and MC cost me 9 points by 8 votes...), but I'd say Ryu will hit about 41-42% on Sonic.
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Jon Thomson - today: Solid Snake, tomorrow: Cloud - 38/46
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

to be honest, despite being a sonic fanboy, I would it if somehow ryu gained enough to equal magus, adn sonic beat him with 55-45. Because of two things. 1. Sonic would dispell the myth that magus=sonic, and two ryu would bow out respectively (because the SF games are the greatist fighting games, and aniversary collection is the greatist thing to have appeared on the ps2 since DMC1).
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Snake's percentage is dropping like a rock. He's doing worse than his 2002 numbers right now. I guess one possible explanation is that Sonic Heroes boosted Knuckles more than Twin Snakes did for Snake. It makes sense, too, since it was released on all 3 systems, as opposed to one.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Wow Snake is falling fast.

Assuming this ends at 60-40 for Snake, would 60% be out of the question for MM?
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Summer Contest Match 39 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 35/38 Points: 041 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

It makes sense, too, since it was released on all 3 systems, as opposed to one.

Told ya it helps. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

2002 Mega Man would be expected to get over 60% on 2002 Snake, for what it's worth.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Midgar Division: Round 2 - Match 41 – (1)Cloud vs. (8)Vyse

Moltar’s Analysis

Cloud - The big sword compensates for his small…

Round 1 – vs. Duke (Cloud: 80.19% - Duke: 19.81%)

Cloud stops past Milk’em in Round 1 and now heads on to an easy Round 2 match.

Vyse - He seems to be lost, because he found his way to Round 2.

Round 1 – vs. Laharl (Vyse: 60.23% - Laharl: 39.77%)

Fodder beats Fodder. Only one of these over-seeded characters could make it to Round 2, though neither deserve it.

What a match we have here! Last year’s champ takes on Vyse! The excitement is just…too much. It’s so great, I don’t even need to analyze the match. It’s just that awesome.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Cloud will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Cloud 81% - Vyse 19%



Ulti's Analysis

Hi. My name is Vyse, and I'm CloudFodder.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Cloud/Cloud with 86.33%



Cena’s Analysis
On to the second round for the winner of 2003's contest, and it seems that the champ has a downright easy path on his way to defending the crown. Vyse is no exception, unfortunately, to the beatings Cloud will be giving out. Normally, I'd tell you not to take Vyse lightly, but here, if I said that, I'd be sent to Azkaban. (Sorry, reading Harry Potter a lot lately). Vyse may have taken Laharl down with relative ease, which wasn't a surprise to most. Cloud, however, completely demolished Duke Nukem. This match is a complete no-brainer, and I wouldn't be surprised if Vyse does worse than Magus did against Crono. Yeah, sad isn't it? The Skies of Arcadia pirate has no chance at all to win, obviously, but you never know how much he can take out of the man with the huge....sword.

Cena’s Vote: Vyse

Cena’s Prediction: Cena's Prediction: Cloud with 73% (Let's hope Vyse can pull something out of his ass to lessen any hopes of Cloud beating Link)

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

No it wouldn't, if it finishes at 60-40 (or even remotely close to that) snake will lose with only 40% or maybe even less.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Man, I hope Ulti is right about Cloud/Vyse. Well, for my bracket's sake anyway. One way or another, I'm going to be saddened by the slaughter Vyse is in for tomorrow.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Also, what would Frog have to finish at against Snake for a chance at the top 10?
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Summer Contest Match 39 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 35/38 Points: 041 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

would 60% be out of the question for MM?

Mega Man would break 63% if it stayed like it is now or even ended at an even 60-40 match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Frog would have to come very close to beating Snake to stand a chance of a top 10 finish.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

As will I leonhart, SOA was such a better RPG then FFVII (srry for all you FFVII fans out there, I'm just stating my opinion).
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

That percentage that Ulti has is far, far to outrageous.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I do expect Cloud to overperform myself, but not that much. Somewhere in the 82-83% range.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I think Vyse could very well have a showing that is beyond what's expected of him, though not by much. We'll see.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

HM... if you hate Sonic characters so much, then why does Snake underperforming make you happy?
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

This is nuts. Snake should be below 60% before long.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Nah, I think it's too hard for a cult character like Vyse to overperform against Cloud, especially since they're both from RPGs.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Using 2003 MC numbers on 2002 Snake numbers, what would Frog be expected to get on Snake?
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Summer Contest Match 39 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 35/38 Points: 041 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

Snake getting weaker (or maybe Knux getting stronger) makes HM happy cuz he wants MM to crush snake by as much as possible.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Frog would be expected to get 37.11% on a 2002 Snake assuming Master Chief is still at 2003 levels.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Anyone care to predict what percentage of people will predict Squall over Kirby and Auron over Ness? Wondering how high I can get up before the Sora-Ryu match, shouldn't drop any until then.
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Jon Thomson - today: Solid Snake, tomorrow: Cloud - 38/46
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

I have to say judging by his performances i have to say i think MC gained around 5%. And with snakes less than stellar performace so far today, I fully expect frog to get around 42-43%.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

i do believe this first one is my new favorite record:

(btw - if you do the math, Frog won with 50.0038444...% of the vote)

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.00% - (ii)Frog over Master Cheif
2) 0.04% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
3) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
5) 8.96% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
6) 9.60% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
7) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
8) 10.86% - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
9) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
10) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 7 - (ii) Frog over Master Cheif
2) 27 - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
3) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
5) 6769 - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
6) 7397 - Ness over Jak
7) 7673 - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
8) 8163 - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
9) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
10) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.80% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 75.66% - Link over CATS
4) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
5) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
6) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
7) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
8) 64.78% - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
9) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
10) 61.68% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 66655 - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
3) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 62319 - Link over CATS
5) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
6) 54178 - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
7) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
8) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
9) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
10) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 91041 - (ii)Master Cheif vs. Frog
3) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
4) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
5) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
6) 88102 - (ii) Megaman vs. Tidus
7) 87935 - (ii) Link vs. Ganondorf
8) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
9) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
10) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70413 - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
3) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
4) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
5) 74039 - Dante vs. Ratchet
6) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
7) 75219 - Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman
8) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
9) 75533 - (ii) Luigi vs. Yoshi
10) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Squall should get around 58-60% on Kirby, methinks. Auron should be able to double up Ness.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 77295 - (ii) Link
3) 74251 - Solid Snake
4) 72344 - Link
5) 71329 - Cloud
6) 70219 - Megaman
7) 68889 - Samus Aran
8) 65184 - Mario
9) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog
10) 62375 - Crono

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 10640 - (ii) Ganondorf
4) 12243 - Sly Cooper
5) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
6) 12847 - J.C. Denton
7) 13367 - Luca Blight
8) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
9) 14602 - Ratchet
10) 14721 - Lara Croft

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 45517 - (ii) Master Cheif
3) 43820 - Liquid Snake
4) 37512 - Alucard
5) 37338 - Donkey Kong
6) 36102 - Viewtiful Joe
7) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
8) 35193 - Jill Valentine
9) 34382 - (ii) Luigi
10) 33528 - Gordon Freeman

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 35220 - Ryu Hayabusa
2) 40130 - Ness
3) 41151 - (ii) Yoshi
4) 41440 - Vyse
5) 41691 - Sam Fisher
6) 43775 - Tails
7) 43913 - Frog
8) 45524 - (ii) Frog
9) 47578 - Knuckles
10) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 96.07% - (ii) Link over Ganondorf
9) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
10) 93.43% - Crono over Conker

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 22.56% - Frog over Master Cheif
2) 31.57% - Zero over Tommy Vercetti
3) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
4) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
5) 43.86% - (ii) Yoshi over Luigi
6) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
7) 46.30% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
8) 48.56% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
9) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
10) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

notes and observations:

- the percentage Frog won by was technically 0.007688...%

- Frog has the amusing acheivement of being the only character to make it on the Least Impressive Winner list twice.

- somehow, Gordon Freeman is still on the Most Impressive Losers List.

- the last two matches were the most difficult to predict overall, despite both Zero and Frog being virtually unanimous board favorites. so, even though 31.57% and then 22.56% got the last two matches right, the Top 50 (heck, even the Top 300) have barely budged from their spots.

- 13 matches, which is a third of the matches so far, were correctly predicted by over 90% of the brackets........snooorrrre.....

- if Kefka was actually the favorite over Knuckles (57% yikes!), i wonder how many people took Kefka over Solid Snake, too.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Assuming that Tidus has been helped by some factor for three years. Makes plenty of sense, right?

Assuming that was reduced to halfway between 2k2 and 2k3 strength by KHF decreasing, where would his win against Tidus put MM against Link?

Kingdom Hearts had very little effect on Tidus, so whether or not the factor is decreasing wouldn't have much to do with Mega Man's overperformance.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

HM... if you hate Sonic characters so much, then why does Snake underperforming make you happy?

Because the greater that Mega Man trounces Snake, the happier I get. =)

Nah, I think it's too hard for a cult character like Vyse to overperform against Cloud, especially since they're both from RPGs.

I don't know. I think it's well within Vyse's capability to do more than what he's expected too, especially with a more lacking casual vote. Of course, I prefer Cloud to Vyse but still... =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Assuming that was reduced to halfway between 2k2 and 2k3 strength by KHF decreasing,

Tidus gained very, very little from Kingdom Hearts last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Because the greater that Mega Man trounces Snake, the happier I get. =)

Well him obliterating a totally weakened Snake isn't as good...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Eh, the only way I could see Vyse overperforming against Cloud is if he's weaker than last year. Other than that, I don't see why he would. The vote totals are going to be high, so the lack of a casual vote won't bother him too much.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well him obliterating a totally weakened Snake isn't as good...

Doesn't really make much of a difference. You still just take 2002 Snake against a 2003 Link/Cloud/Sephiroth and then compare that to what Mega Man does.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

But isn't this Snake (assuming that Snake doesn't gain more) weaker than 2002 Snake?
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

Slightly, yes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think Knuckles just increased. Sonic Heroes might not have been well-received, but bad publicity is better than no publicity.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Man, only 1-41 brackets need to fall in order for me to crack the top 50. I'm getting so close everytime.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You have been hoping that for like 15 matches now :P And still it won't happen after today.
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46/46 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

You probably won't be getting on the top 50 until after Squall-Kirby, at the earliest. There won't be that many falling off with today's or tomorrow's.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

True, true. Joe vs Tails shattered my hopes and Frog almost losing did the same thing, but hopefully I'll be able to get on there within this round.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'd laugh if your the last -1 pefect to make it to the leaderboard
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Summer 2004 Contest 41/46 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

depends on what happens in Sora-Ryu.H basically.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Snake is approaching being under 60% now...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Darn...I thought more people would fall with Frog/MC.

So close to the leaderboard...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

Bah. I'm gettin' a li'l frustrated with this whole leaderboard thing. I would've got on had Joe won, but no...

...I was hoping that I'd get on after Frog's victory, but I wasn't even close...

...argh...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Darn...I thought more people would fall with Frog/MC.

So close to the leaderboard...

A lot would have if MC had won! </stating the obvious>
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

this is good news for me, because the stronger sonic characters look in this contest the better i feel as a sonic fan-boy. And if knux can get to 40% it'll make me feel like the four sonic characters have truly gained some popularity, and to be hhonest it's obvious they have. From shadow not losing by 1 full % to tidus to, tails winning (finnaly), and sonic owning terry and bringing me hope that sonic won't lose by more than 55-45 to samus.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Snake not looking too good. I'm still confident in him taking down Frog with at least the percentage that he's beating Knuckles with.

However, this match definitely makes me happy about choosing Mega Man as the division winner.

So, what does everyone think about Sora/Ryu H? At this point, I think Sora's the favorite, as he did a decent job at defeating HK-47...though I would've hoped for a bit better. I think the mainstream appeal of Sora will give him a clear victory.

Sora with 54%.
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Sc2k4: 43 of 46
Next Match: Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

Hopefully this is just a bad Round for Snake...

Snake would be projected to get what on Frog, 63% if MC stayed at 2003 levels?

Well, I think MC might have actually gone up in strength this year, so if Snake can break 60% on Frog, my faith in him is restored.
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Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

I don't know about sora winning but to be honest, i think it'll be within 52-48% either way.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

The board like they did to Frog had too much hype in HK-47

The only reason KotOR did so well in the contest was because it had the name Star Wars on it

Also even with some SFF I don't think it's enough for Sora to get over Ryu H.
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Summer 2004 Contest 41/46 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

The Wise Tonberry-

How about a sig bet on Ryu/Sora

I'm pretty confident in Ryu.
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

I think Hayabusa will win with 52-53% on Sora.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I say it will be more like 55/45

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Summer 2004 Contest 41/46 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

I say CJay should burn in hell for being a Snake beats Knux fanboy. This is beyond ridiculous.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 45/48 Next Pick: Cloud

Well, I think MC might have actually gone up in strength this year,

He certainly did.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Knuckles the Echidna 40% 25093
Solid Snake 60% 37637
TOTAL VOTES 62730

Knux is putting up a mighty fine showing here.
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

I still think the greatest thing ever would be Knuckles going on a monster tear here and winning this match. I'd love to see the board reaction on that.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Some scenarios for you guys to ponder:

2k4 Mega Man: 48.62% on 2k3 Link
2k4 Snake: 33.09% on 2k3 Link
(Based on Knux and Tidus)

2k4 Snake vs 2k4 Mega Man: MM with 65.97%
2k3 Snake vs 2k4 Mega Man: MM with 63.08%
2k2 Snake vs 2k4 Mega Man: MM with 63.77%

2k4 Snake vs Frog: Snake with 60.49%
2k3 Snake vs Frog: Snake with 63.58%
2k2 Snake vs Frog: Snake with 62.87%
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

The Wise Tonberry-

How about a sig bet on Ryu/Sora

I'm pretty confident in Ryu.

I'll take it. However, I don't want to possibly have to change my signature for more than a week. After a week, it gets old and boring.

Name your price, outback.
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Sc2k4: 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

From: swirldude | Posted: 9/10/2004 7:58:17 PM | Message Detail
I say CJay should burn in hell for being a Snake beats Knux fanboy. This is beyond ridiculous.

I know, seriously, what a waste of our time. We are now somewhat iffy on how strong Knuckles really is (he does much worse then expected on Kefka, then puts up good numbers on Solid) so a match involving him could be tough to predict. I know in my bracket I have Knuckles vs Kirby, which is pretty tough to predict.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Under 60% now. A completely unacceptable performance by Snake.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

A week sounds good TWT.

I'm still thinking about the price. I'll get back to you
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

OK, got it.

Outback PWN’D me so bad on Ryu H. over Sora I won’t be able to change my sig for a week!

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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

Seeing Knuckles do this well could maybe, just MAYBE, be a sign that Sonic could beat Samus...after all, maybe Samus' high percentage against Lara was just a fluke, and not today's match. :P

Wow, and it's interesting to see Knuckles making Kefka look so good....I guess Kefka really is stronger this year. Or maybe Snake is just weaker...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Mega Man's just a damn beast with those percentages... I love it! =D
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Missed the topic before somehow...

Tag.
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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Night vote's probably coming soon... Knux may dip back under 40%. Too bad, I love the little guy.

And I gotta commend Ulti for his hella high prediction, considering how if it comes true, his beloved Laharl will look worse than CATS and Ganondorf.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 044/046 - Matches: 37/39 - Rank: 00092/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

well, unless knux is just stronger, it isn't great for snake, btw, I saw the last stats topic last night, is there anypoint in reading through it, ie anything important? I like to keep up with everything, but if its just random blabber, I'll survive lol. This is very interesting though, and I hope Sonic/Samus proves to be exciting....no, I want a Samus blowout, now that my brackets killed, I want a Samus victory, though I'll take a Sonic or Mario one as well.
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So assuming that MC is a decent bit stronger this year and that Snake is somewhat weaker, could Frog have an outside chance of pulling a miracle upset?
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summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

after all, maybe Samus' high percentage against Lara was just a fluke, and not today's match. :P

Heh...doing better than Clinkeroth would do is not a fluke. Sorry.

Mega Man's just a damn beast with those percentages... I love it! =D

2k4 Mega Man looks pretty damn strong.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

No, no, no. As sad as it is, Snake's got his match won against Frog.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Part 55? Random blabber, mostly. I didn't read everything, and I believe it's the first time I ever did so.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 044/046 - Matches: 37/39 - Rank: 00092/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

hell, I"m not saddened at all, die frog die!!!!



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2k4 Mega Man looks pretty damn strong.

I always knew he would be. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So assuming that MC is a decent bit stronger this year and that Snake is somewhat weaker, could Frog have an outside chance of pulling a miracle upset?

Not only would MC have to go up Aeris levels (8% increase on Link), Liquid would have to be just as strong as Solid. Not a chance in hell that Frog wins his next match, and Steve Illumina's Theory of Frogability be damned.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Frog, Master Chief and Liquid Snake will all be judged by this one Frog/Snake match. You can take my word for it.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 044/046 - Matches: 37/39 - Rank: 00092/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

I'm estimating 57-59 for Solid next round.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Snake is underperforming and this match is a waste of time. I love Snake and like Knuckles a fair amount, it's always terrible when things like this happen. It's like when Liquid was against Frog. Win-Win and Lose-Lose but in a much more heated match. Liquid/Frog has been the best match so far.
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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

well, the frog/snake match could be close, because I guess it depends on how many people would change thier vote from frog to solid snake. However, in matches like this you can blame any factor for the win, so the bracket vote probably wouldn't support frog. Personally, I would be pretty happy if frog won, because then at least, even though I just willed him death, master chief would look a lot better, someone I think the board severely underestimated, even though the desired results were achieved. and ty slowflake, for saving me time
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I guess Frog, Master Chief and Liquid Snake matches makes this the closest trio, beating Magus, Ganondorf and Tidus
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Summer 2004 Contest 41/46 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

would change thier vote from frog to solid snake.

raises hand

but I only voted for Frog against LS because of my bracket
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Summer 2004 Contest 41/46 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

HM, it's not sad that Frog will lose to Snake. It's great that Snake will beat that sidequest who only served to beat Magus...

Yeah, I'm pissy.
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

Frog's a sidequest?

o.0
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

It's always sad when Snake beats the better character, like Frog. Not to bad a loss considering what I get in the division finals. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Closest trio? Yes.

Closest 4-pack? Still belongs to Halo/Starcraft/Soul Calibur/KH.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 044/046 - Matches: 37/39 - Rank: 00092/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

He only served to beat Magus. Only role in the game. Therefore, he's a quest not a character.

I added in the side for extra spice....>_>..
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

I don't see why people who have played CT can not like Frog.

That scene with Glenn and Cyrus is just magic.
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

And Crono only served to defeat Lavos. Crono was such a horrid quest.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Closest 4-pack? Still belongs to Halo/Starcraft/Soul Calibur/KH

no duh points to Crash
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Summer 2004 Contest 41/46 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

Tidus Gannon Magus and Shadow are closer than those four. Although they were never in the same four pack, but I was under the impression we were talking about pure strength and not an actual section of the bracket.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

We're talking bracket sections.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 044/046 - Matches: 37/39 - Rank: 00092/33221 - Today: Snake - Tomorrow: Cloud

You don't usually talk about bracket sections in trios....
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

That because you leave out the weak link.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

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Oh ok, so Crono was just a bad string a quests....

Calling any character a quest is idiotic.
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Did you know 86% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

Hopefully this is just a bad Round for Snake...

Snake would be projected to get what on Frog, 63% if MC stayed at 2003 levels?

Well, I think MC might have actually gone up in strength this year, so if Snake can break 60% on Frog, my faith in him is restored.

He would be expected to get the same as he does on MC.

Duh.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Well, I'm an idiotic Frog hater. I can't stand him or his constantly quoting fanbase...same goes for all of CT. The black winds and the lower your guard annoy me...

Why you quote the lower you guard one, I don't know. Next you'll be quoting 'Help me!'....
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

I agree I think I even like Tanner better than Frog
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Summer 2004 Contest 41/46 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles

Frog kicks serious ass.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Snake still falling by the way. He's at 59.74% right now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Damn Knux is keeping snake from hitting 60%... THIS ****ING ROCKS!!! Go Knuckles for showing the sonic franchise is alive and well in this contest. I love having an elite (whether he's the weakest or second weakest doesn't matter to me) and now what looks like 2 possible sweet 16 contenders and a second round contender.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Well, I'm an idiotic Frog hater. I can't stand him or his constantly quoting fanbase

Live with it or leave with it. ;)
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Anyway, I feel a need to bump this... for the first time...

On a side note, I made a little change in my bracket.

Instead of:

East Division

(1) Starcraft
(16) Pong,

I have changed it to

East Divison

(1) Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup
(16) Starcraft.

=)
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Am I the only one who feels Tanner could be the new running joke in these contests? I'm almost tempted to nominate him next year, just to watch him totally bomb again.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Yeah. Tanner >>>>> CATS.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

The fact that Snake is still dropping, just more slowly, is somewhat funny. Despite how Snake won, I'd say Knuckles was all over this match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mega Man's just a damn beast with those percentages... I love it! =D

Hm, if you still think MMan vs. Tidus means nothing, Tidus didn't do that much better than Vercetti than against Mega Man. That's the same Vercetti that struggled to beat DK.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Knuckles is still chipping away at that percentage. Down to 59.52%
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hmm?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You really think Mega is going to beat Snake with 65% or whatever?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

Better believe I do.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Snake's pic is ugly and Knuckles looks like he found an anthill full of chocolate covered ants.

58-42% Megaman over Snake.. My guess

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Solid Snake 46.5% 55322
Mega Man 53.5% 63639
TOTAL VOTES 118961

I'm going to love seeing Mega Man totally upgrade from that percentage this year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I wouldn't say 65% for MM over Snake. I hope not at least, cause that makes frog look really weak.

I want Snake with 50.01 over frog followed by MM 63% over Frog. That puts Frog > Tidus
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

You do....well, I guess you have to, seeing as you plan on Mega winning this.

But really, look at that HM, do you honestly think Mega has increased enough, and Snake is doing that bad for Mega to almost double him?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

der...

that should say MM 63% over Snake, not Frog.
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

Yes. I've said since about mid-June that Mega Man would obtain the level of Link, Cloud, and Sephiroth this year. In my pre-contest analysis I predicted Mega Man getting such a percentage on Snake.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So assuming that Samus and Mega Man keep performing around the level of the big three, I dub them

Clinkaran Megaroth
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Summer Contest Match 40 Solid Snake vs. Knuckles the Echidna
Status 37/40 Points: 045 Next: Cloud vs. Vyse

I believe someone already came up with Sephirmus Clinkman.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Clinkaran Megaroth is better
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<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

I'm happy with the results. I know Knuckles isn't stronger than Snake, but I wanted him to put up more of a fight than he did the past two years. At least this shows that the Sonic series isn't as weak as people say, especially since Sonic got trounced by Cloud.

It looks like the Sonic series' Achilles Heel is being matched up against Square. Shadow lost to Tidus, Sonic got killed by Cloud, Tails got blown out by Auron, and Knuckles underperformed against Kefka. The Square voter base is pretty Solid and only change their votes for one of their own it looks like.

Against other characters, it looks like they hold their own. I would think this is because other genres tend to share their fanbase. This is why I think Shadow did so well against Mario. It's easier to like both. Just my theory on this.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Snake can't even win the night vote.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I already dubbed it Megamus Clinkeroth... sounds half-transformer/half-Star Wars character.... >_<

I forgot, I meant to comment on HM's comment. Frog is NOT a better character than Snake. I'm sorry, I just played through Chrono Trigger again to analyze the characters. The novelty of a sword-wielding Frog has worn out. Magus really IS a superior character in the cast. I don't blame him for turning him into a frog. Frog should be greatful that Magus didn't kill him too. :)
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Frog is much better than Snake.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Frog is much better than Snake.

No, Snake is better than Frog in almost every aspect besides being a Frog. I actually like Frog just Snake is a lot better.
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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Nah, I don't see it.

***SPOILERS***

When you first meet him, he is wallowing in self-pity for not being able to protect the Queen. Boo-hoo... What is he doing in the meantime to improve himself? Sitting in his hole. Crono's party has to hand-feed him the Masamune AND get it repaired before he would even GET OFF HIS ASS! Frog was owned by TATA! What kind of hero lets a little kid masquerade in danger as the true hero?

Then Frog has his little fight with Magus and they get sent back to 12000 BC. During this time, Frog gets to see WHY Magus is the way he is. And what else does he find out? Magus's goal is the same as his. Magus has been trying to get revenge against Lavos from the very beginning. After the Ocean Palace, Magus even goes out of his way to EXPLAIN himself to the party. Who could blame Magus for being the way he is with a mother like Queen Zeal. And what was he supposed to do being warped to 600 BC in the middle of the Mystic/Human war on the MYSTIC side? He did what he had to do to be able to gain power against Lavos. Yeah, he killed Cyrus, but could you blame him for being corrupted? And he didn't kill Frog, so that says something right there.

Frog LEARNS all of this, and he is still bull-headed enough to only think about his vendetta with Magus. He insults Magus with every word, yet gets mad with anything that Magus says. Notice he's the only one of his party to give a damn. Everyone else's goal is to get rid of Lavos. And to top it off, Magus HELPS bring Crono back. If Frog should have been humbled at any point, it should have been there. Does he even get a thanks? Nope. And when Magus joins the team, why doesn't Frog get balls and ask Magus to change him back? I know this is very biased, but after playing it again and reading into it, Frog's character has a lot of knacks....




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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Alright..alright..finally, god damnit, I can post something other than *tag*.

This is a Tai'd And Good post. >_> Yay..I'm so creative. :-)

Um..yeah..anyways,I must comment about the MC/Frog!

Frog = Fission Mailed. Er..I mean...Mission..oh, who cares? Frog fails it..his skill is not enough blahblhablah..and another thing...OMGWTFBBQ!!!11!! GET YOUR FROG SOUP IT IS VERY DELICIOUS AND GOOD LOLOLOLOL!!!11!!!111!!! XD

*ahem* With that in mind...

Frog might still be alive...until he's on Snake's dinner table *snickers*...but he flopped a 2400+ vote lead....he pulled off a DK! And then MC can only make a lead 1/4 as big as Frog's was before pulling off another DK, giving MC fans a heart attack!! And then, everyone is breathless as Frog and MC go at it. And then we end up with the closest match in any contest ever done on GameFAQs....wow. Frog has disappointed me. And he almost lost me two points! Bad Frog! Back into the pond! :-|

And everyone who actually had hope in Frog ever standing a chance against Snake shuts up permenantly. It looks like Frog will now have to be carried into Snake's kitchen...where he will be silenced until next year....hehe. Life is so hard. XD

Anyways, Sora must win or I get no $400 at my front door!!

*waits for a lot of "OMG JUSTICE SERV'D LOLOLOLOL!!!!!", or something to that extent.*

Kthxbye until next time..which could be five or fifteen minutes..heh.

Not to mention that Frog is the lamest character in the game.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Actually Frog is a little bit worse than Magus making him the second best of that wonderful game. MGS just happens to be more wonderful.
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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Frog might still be alive...until he's on Snake's dinner table *snickers*...but he flopped a 2400+ vote lead....he pulled off a DK!

DK wishes he had Frog's incredible heart attack-causing skillz. =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Actually, Ayla is a better character than Frog as well. AND she owns in battle. Give me a good reason why you wouldn't think so!
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Snake's gonna beat Frog the next round.. but I think it'll be in the 53-47.

The night vote favors RPGs and characters usually and will keep Frog in it for the most part, but Snake'll actually get out to a decent lead during the day vote.

I said it in the last topic, but I feel the night vote is more important than the day vote. In this case, the night vote will only serve to keep Frog in it. Frog won't get enough of a boost for a third time.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

From the looks of it Snake will finish with under 60%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Duh.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

Major ouch for Snake, especially after Knuckles did so badly against Kefka. HM might get the doubling he desires. Still waiting on Sonic's match with Ryu to see if Super 7 has become appropriate again.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I just beat Viewtiful Joe. Damn, that's one good game. Up there with Tales of Symphonia and Metroid Prime as best games this generation. But it makes Joe's loss to Tails much more depressing...
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Well, unless Kefka went up a lot, which doesn't make too much sense, but still, he could have gone up
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Obviously SFF could have played the majority of the "increase".
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, the problem with Kefka going up due to SFF is Pac Man. He was obviously hit by it, the question is by how much. I'm thinking Knux went down at least a little bit, and that makes Snake look even worse.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I had forgotten about that. Well, if Knuckles went down any that makes Snake that much more pathetic this year. Ouch.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Major ouch for Snake, especially after Knuckles did so badly against Kefka. HM might get the doubling he desires. Still waiting on Sonic's match with Ryu to see if Super 7 has become appropriate again.

This match pretty much validates Crono-Kefka SFF. Pac-Man just took a serious dive. Like I said before, I'd expect someone like him to perform at his peak against non-icons like Kefka simply on status alone, but against someone like Luigi, he doesn't have that advantage anymore.

I think Tidus is just one of those characters who underperforms against the elite. He's the main character of Final Fantasy X which nets him instant popularity and recognizability, but he's not beloved in the series like Cloud is. I guess he's sort of like Square's version of DK...He can hold his own against most but the fanbase isn't loyal enough to stick with him against a legend like Sonic or Mega Man.

If Sonic does what I'm expecting against Ryu, you might just want to cut it off at eight and kick Snake out. He'll be at a higher level than Solid this year.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I just beat Viewtiful Joe. Damn, that's one good game. Up there with Tales of Symphonia and Metroid Prime as best games this generation. But it makes Joe's loss to Tails much more depressing...

Well at least you can look forward to the sequel....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Knuckles has every reason to increase. Bash Sonic Heroes all you want, but if Dante can increase from Devil May Cry 2, no character will ever decrease from a new game. Knuckles was exposed to the XBox and PS2 crowd, and bad publicity is better than none at all. This is more of a case of him increasing than Snake decreasing.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

*pssst* (Read post about Sonic characters)

Seriously, I think the Sonic team vs. Square matches are an abberation from what they would do otherwise. Didn't someone say that Sonic wasn't that popular in Japan? That may be a big factor as well, and why they always get the "morning" vote. Just like Master Chief and Ryu Hayabusa in the daytime. Maybe we should be looking more at when characters are WEAKER vs. where they appear to own the vote. Like I said before, maybe we should see Master Chief AS being that strong a character, and that his lack of a fanbase in Asia serves as his downfall.... Just another way of looking at things.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Why is SH bad publicity? I liked it >_>

Obviously not as good as the Genesis versions, but a fun game minus the occasional glitch/camera problem...
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 42/44 (Yoshi) Pick: Frog

That's a pretty serious dive for Pac-Man in a contest where the older characters are holding up quite well. Bomberman increases but Pac Man falls? Seems odd to me. There was certainly Crono/Kefka SFF, and Pac Man probably fell, too, but I can't rule out the possibility of Knux falling. If MM reaches 60% on Snake and Samus does the same to Sonic, we really should abandon the Noble Nine. Especially if Crono, Mega Man, and Samus put up really good numbers on Link and Cloud.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

At least Bomberman is still getting new games. He's only fading away. Pac-Man is practically dead now. He's only still here by virtue of his status.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Could Tidus actually get a higher seed than Snake in the X-Stats?
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Not likely.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Okay, assuming Knux and Luigi stayed the same and Kefka's increase was entirely due to SFF, Pac Man, after gaining 1.79% on Link from 2k2 to 2k3, drops 6.32% this year. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is the largest drop in percentage ever seen. I don't buy it. And since Luigi/Yoshi went exactly as expected, I'm inclined to think Knux went down.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I believe Sonic had a bigger drop in 2003. It was ridiculous how much he fell last year.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

From 41.05% against Link to 34.92% against Link, according to the X-Sts.
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, not quite as big as Pac-Man's this year if it was all Kefka SFF. Eh, still...Sonic showed that you don't need an excuse for a precipitous drop.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I can't wait till Squall destroys that fat pink piece of ****.
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Human Beings are like rabbits: They're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly, and reproduce like mad.

Ken Masters: -6.78%
Sonic: -6.13%
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Okay, so Ken Masters owns the biggest drop in contest history. Wasn't really a reason for that one either.

Question: Where does this put Kefka in the extrapolateds after Knuckles's overperformance against Snake today, going by 2002 numbers? Those seem to resemble today's results moreso than 2003.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Okay, so Ken Masters owns the biggest drop in contest history. Wasn't really a reason for that one either.

Ken got saddled with some hurt from Sonic's drop. That could have something to do with it.
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Going by Snake's 2k2 numbers:
Knux gets 28.18% on Link (between Alucard and Dante)
Kefka gets 23.98% on Link (between Yuna and Wario)
Pac Man would be expected to get 46.59% on Luigi.

Doesn't add up.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Not likely.

It won't surprise me to see them very close together.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Again, throw out Pac-Man's 2003 numbers. He's not there anymore. Luigi made him look weaker because he robbed him of the votes he could get based off of status alone. Kefka wouldn't be able to take those away from him.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Dude are you rooting for Mario too? He's pretty badass with all the red going on there. Could have a connotative communist implication but we won't go there now...
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Human Beings are like rabbits: They're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly, and reproduce like mad.

Tidus might be close to Solid Snake, but he won't be above him.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'd agree with that much. If Mega Man did better against Snake than he did against Tidus that'd be... insane.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Even Knux being as high as he would be wouldn't add up.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b41.jpg

Eh, Cloud got an awful picture. Vyse's is cool, but nothing we've never seen before.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud looks like.....a friggen 10 year old.

Vyse is iight.

Nowhere as near as the awesomeness of today's pic.
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Knuckles vs. Snake - Bracket: Snake - Vote: Snake (44/46)

Vyse's picture is definitely better than Cloud's.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I kinda like Cloud's. He looks . . . young, but mysterious.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I can't wait till Squall destroys that fat pink piece of ****.

How could you wish death on such a cute thing? You're ebil..are you satan? ;_;

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The one thing I do like is the different pictures we're getting. At least it isn't the same stuff we've seen before.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

But the pink Tai, THE PINK!! TOO MUCH PINK!!!
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Human Beings are like rabbits: They're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly, and reproduce like mad.

Heh, I can't wait for the Kirby-Squall picture. CJayC ought to use this one for Squall:

http://www.ffonline.com/media/index.php?lookup=images:ff8:12.jpg

Or maybe something like this?

http://www.ffshrine.org/ff8/fmvshots-disc1/00a-intro/00081.jpg
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Leonhart, the bloody one is far too gory and "inappropriate" for the little children who make up the majority of this site.

Also, they should use this pic for the upcoming Cloud VS Squall match:

http://pobladores.lycos.es/data/pobladores.com/se/lp/selphie_ff/channels/finalfantasy_anime/images/2784436squall_cloud_.jpg

OR

http://ff.bonusweb.cz/ff7/$Eruka$-ff78-cloud_and_squall-20021206.jpg

We could use some abstract drawings. They could spice things up a little bit from the mundane art we currently have.
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Human Beings are like rabbits: They're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly, and reproduce like mad.

Actually, I was thinking that CJayC would use in-game Kingdom Hearts images of Cloud and Squall for round 3.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Abstract is better. We need change. DEMAND IT!
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Human Beings are like rabbits: They're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly, and reproduce like mad.

So, pity voting Vyse, yay or nay?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Pity voting? Vyse is getting a fan vote from me. I like him better than Cloud.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Ceej will never use anything besides official art; that's why we're stuck with Lettuce Kefka, since he'll never make it into round 3. It's not worth debating.
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
CUTLASS FURY!

I like Cloud more than Vyse, although both of them rank high on my list, but I'll be voting for the pirate.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I like Cloud more, but Vyse will get so throughly owned that I might want to pity vote him.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Same here. Vyse rocks.

Behold...the PIRATE'S WRATH!
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Current Pick: Snake; Current Vote: Snake; Points: 43/46
CUTLASS FURY!

Snake's finally managing to go up in percentage, heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Doesn't matter. He'll get owned by Mega Man.
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Human Beings are like rabbits: They're totally clueless, wander around aimlessly, and reproduce like mad.

He should still finish below 60% though. At least it's nice to know that Knuckles will at least go down for the last time against Snake (hopefully) with his best performance yet.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

That Cloud pic is official art? From where?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Here's some of the official FF7 artwork (well Nomura's work). Just be grateful he didn't use Amano's Cloud art. XDDDDD

http://www.creativeuncut.com/artff7.html
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Actually, that picture of Cloud and Aerith at the bottom left is Amano's. I'd laugh my ass off if Ceej used that for the finals.

>>>>>>>>>>>>XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So is that the menu pic? Everyone else's second pic is used in the menu. I guess that blue shirt threw me off...
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

That Cloud pic is official art? From where?

From the stats screen, I think.

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

Eh... I gave a link. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

WTF @ Amano's Cloud and Aeris.
Weird shoes, weird accessories, and is that a small backpack he's wearing? o_O
Noooo, my image of Cloud has been ruined...
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It's all the Big Bang's fault - it started everything.

The ONLY Amano character design that I actually like is MOG. Actually Celes is okay too....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

WTF @ Amano's Cloud and Aeris.
Weird shoes, weird accessories, and is that a small backpack he's wearing? o_O
Noooo, my image of Cloud has been ruined...

That Cloud in the finals would be ****ing hilarious. =P

The ONLY Amano character design that I actually like is MOG. Actually Celes is okay too....

I haven't seen Mog, but I really like his Celes. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Mog is on the FFVI original SNES box.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

All we need is that pic of Cloud and the pic of Link used here:
http://gamefaqs.com/shared/spr04b52.jpg

Dream final, right there.
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Arkenaga | aganekrA
It's all the Big Bang's fault - it started everything.

XDDDDDDDDDDDD

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

At this point, I find myself wondering if *ANYONE* within three points of perfect is going to actually lose positions tomorrow based on picking Vyse over Cloud.

...sigh. I just really want to climb the charts. :)

Maybe Hayabusa over Sora will help take care of that.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

I'm kind of hoping that some people with -1 point picked Kefka last round and this round... yeah... it's out there, but maybe...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So... Knux is gunna end with ~40.50 on Solid, looking good for Megaman in the round 8?

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Mega Man's got this division clenched easily.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Mega Man looks great heading into the final four match against Link. No chance at all of Snake winning.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Brief moment of glory for Vyse...just saw him with 54%. :)
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Heh. Four people with -1 missed the last match. Now I just need between 1 - 37 brackets to fall!

Oh and congratulations Mumei for breaking the top 50. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I did? Yay. I hadn't even looked. ^_^

Well don't worry, I'll be gone as of Sonic vs. Ryu. XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Vyse is doing quite well by holding Cloud to 68% right now, but more importantly 68% had Snake moving on.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

HM: More good news for MM =)... and I faintly remember a couple days ago, how people were seeing MM's 70 as him being the "weak Link" of the NN...

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Vyse is doing fairly well for himself, so far. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think that 68% shows perhaps how people don't look at past results too much. Who would Solid Snake have lost to? He beat Knuckles twice, decisively, and perhaps Kefka, but he wasn't a strong force last year either.
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I'd imagine more than a few people had Kefka heading into round 3.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

yeah, kefka seems more logical than Knuckles at least, in a twisted sort of way
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What is it with people saying that Cloud slipped this early in the match?

....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Score-Brackets-% Right
46----5--------100.0000000
45----86-------95.3488372
44----187------94.6524064
43----307------89.2508143
42----411------82.7250608
41----589------73.8539898
40----843------69.7508897
39----1147-----69.5727986
38----1668-----67.7458034
37----2026-----67.5222113
36----2615-----69.1778203
35----2887-----69.3799792
34----3271-----69.9480281
33----3208-----70.6670823
32----2948-----68.8602442
31----2551-----68.4437475
30----2293-----67.8150894
29----1706-----66.8815944
28----1260-----65.7142857
27----949------62.8029505
26----654------58.8685015
25----488------58.6065574
24----334------56.2874251
23----217------57.6036866
22----141------53.9007092
21----93-------51.6129032
20----73-------39.7260274
19----38-------55.2631579
18----23-------52.1739130
17----14-------57.1428571
16----6--------50.0000000
15----6--------33.3333333
14----10-------50.0000000
13----3--------33.3333333
12----2--------0.0000000
11----5--------0.0000000
10----11-------9.0909091
9-----8--------12.5000000

Nobody with a score of 8 or less got the match right. The near perfects do very well again with a average prediction rate in the 90s.

The three people who fell off the top 50 today were SKIzlude, Psylum, RIHMZ.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

They were expecting pure blowout right from the get go. I'm surprised they haven't at least let it leveled out yet and then considered the day vote.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I broke the tie. I had vote 27 and it made things go 14 to 13 Cloud. That means that Vyse was tied with Cloud at one point. Anyone know if he was actually ahead ever?
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Vyse is doing about as well as Milkem was at this point (11:20s)

(74.40% for Vyse's match, 74.53% for Duke Nukem's).
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud fell from 75% down to 74% and now almost 73%. Still hasn't stabilized, but still interesting to see...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Vyse was winning briefly at one point.

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I am Lucid Faia.

I think that the board anti-votes that starts the polls off are in part from people who want to see Cloud slip a bit, because they have another champion in mind, or are hoping this sways confidence onto their side for Cloud/Sephi or Cloud/Link. People see what they want.

Thank you TRE. I wanted to see that chart espically today =)

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I don't think so; I actually like Vyse a bit better....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

How much of the day vote did Cloud snatch up for Duke Nukem?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I anti-voted Cloud.

and also, this match pic is, its just horrible, Cloud is....a mess, a complete mess.
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You can;t deny thats there though. I understand the people who geniuely think that a given character is cooler, but with al lthe talk about "O he completely demloished his 2nd round oppoent 72-28, and that was much better than character X's performance, its giving him a boost or what not".

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Knuckles vs Solid Snake 2002 - 76.18%(Squall/Akira Yuki)
Knuckles vs Solid Snake 2003 - 79.70%(Raiden/Yuna)
Knuckles vs Solid Snake 2004 - 68.18%(Kefka/Tanner)

Vyse is doing about as well as Milkem was at this point (11:20s)

(74.40% for Vyse's match, 74.53% for Duke Nukem's).

Vyse is supposed to be about equal to Duke Nukem. If he's currently matching Duke Milkem, maybe the pic didn't affect things as much as some people thought.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I voted Vyse because I hate Cloud. I'm one of the few that just don't like him. Of course, I don't like Vyse either after that Laharl match, but meh...

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I am Lucid Faia.

I always thought that "Milk Nukem" was nothing but a garbage of an excuse anyway. I'd love for Vyse to prove it didn't do anything.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I had vote 36 for cloud, meant to vote vyse, but anyway, it was tied 18-18. So vyse led as late as 18-17.
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Score: 45/48
Midgar Picks: Cloud, Squall, Auron, Sephiroth

Vyse is supposed to be about equal to Duke Nukem. If he's currently matching Duke Milkem, maybe the pic didn't affect things as much as some people thought.

He's fallen behind now, by a little less than a percent.

http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1758
http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1734
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Milkem held Cloud below 78% for around 5:47 to 5:50 hours.

O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

He looks like he's sitting around the 75.XX% area right now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Good. I'd kill for Cloud to have even a half a percentage drop that was actually him dropping. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Agreed. Any sort of drop that was from him is always better for my bracket.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud's looking pretty good at this point. We're not even close to the day vote, which Cloud should excel at, and I expect him to get 78-82%, roughly.
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Sc2k4: 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

Mumei: This is what I'm talking about:

HM: "Agreed. Any sort of drop that was from him is always better for my bracket."

Midnight anti-votes do come from thos hoping their bracket improves in later confrontations.

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Vyse is expected to get 18.43% from 03 numbers. So that number seems pretty on the ball TWT

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Cloud's looking pretty good at this point. We're not even close to the day vote, which Cloud should excel at, and I expect him to get 78-82%, roughly.

Cloud is currently underperforming by a few percentage points. Cloud can make it back up with the day vote but his position right now is not good.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Midnight anti-votes do come from thos hoping their bracket improves in later confrontations.

Those people would be anti-voting Cloud regardless of when they vote... I don't believe it affects the percentages anymore than usual, when the match is over.

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

TRE-

I have no doubts about Cloud's strength. Cloud beat Duke Nukem by 5% less than Link beat CATS by, and I think Nukem could take CATS with 70% of the vote at least.

It hasn't even been an hour, and Cloud has begun with a 75.6% lead. Board 8 is pretty influential and vocal in their Anti-FF7 sentiments. Cloud should increase by 4-5%, if the day vote of this match is consistent with last round's.

Not only that, but Vyse is obviously not as weak as many expect.

I don't have any doubts that Cloud will increase to at or above 80%.

How can you say Cloud's position doesn't look good? It certainly looks better than Link's at this point.
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Sc2k4: 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

Considering that Link has overperformed in his matches (although one was SFF >_>) and that Cloud has underperformed in his match, it is probably tied...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Another factor to consider is that the Poll's position change has influenced the casual vote strength in just about every match we've seen.
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Sc2k4: 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

"Those people would be anti-voting Cloud regardless of when they vote... I don't believe it affects the percentages anymore than usual, when the match is over."

Oh no... We misunderstand each other. I'm not saying they affect the total in the end. I'm just saying that for the people who go "Oh! Vyse is making a 67/33 showing" that its aresult of their own desires. I think we agree on the situation, just a miscue in communication.

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Considering that Link has overperformed in his matches (although one was SFF >_>) and that Cloud has underperformed in his match, it is probably tied...

Personally I think Link underperformed in the first match. The second round was pretty accurate, due to the SFF.

I doubt their strength is tied. At this point, it seems like MM has a good shot at taking down Link...
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

Doing a little bit better than what Cloud did is underperforming?

O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Doing a little bit better than what Cloud did is underperforming?

Compare the opponents.

How much do you think CATS could REALLY get on Duke Nukem? (or Milkem, if you prefer)
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

Compare the opponents.

How much do you think CATS could REALLY get on Duke Nukem? (or Milkem, if you prefer)

I think CATS would lose, of course. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the fact that Cloud got 86.91% against CATS in 2003 and Link got 87.83% against CATS in 2004 and somehow that is underperforming.

I wasn't even talking about Cloud's match against the Duke....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I have no doubts about Cloud's strength. Cloud beat Duke Nukem by 5% less than Link beat CATS by, and I think Nukem could take CATS with 70% of the vote at least.

I don't think Duke Nukem would win by quite that much. Based on extraploated rankings, that would suggest that Cloud would beat Link with well over 55% of the votes. Extraploated rankings aren't everything, but they are very rarely off by that much without a good reason. I think Duke would win with about 65% at best(2-3 points off the extraploated prediction), 70% is just too much. Second, Cloud underperformed againast Duke Nukem. Not by much, it may not mean anything but Cloud can't afford any weakness, he's not that much higher than Link.

It hasn't even been an hour, and Cloud has begun with a 75.6% lead. Board 8 is pretty influential and vocal in their Anti-FF7 sentiments. Cloud should increase by 4-5%, if the day vote of this match is consistent with last round's.

Not only that, but Vyse is obviously not as weak as many expect.

I don't have any doubts that Cloud will increase to at or above 80%.

80% is bad for Cloud. That's slightly worse than what Link is predicted to get on Vyse. Once again not by much and the extraploated rankings are not perfect, but it still suggests that Cloud has gone down. And once again Cloud is not that much higher than Link. Losing a percentage point in strength can cost Cloud the match.

How can you say Cloud's position doesn't look good? It certainly looks better than Link's at this point.

Link did slightly better than predictions in his match against CATS while Cloud did slightly worse than predictions against Duke Nukem. So right now I'd say things are in favour of Link. However the day vote is still yet to come, Cloud is still able to mkae up the lost ground.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I think CATS would lose, of course. But that isn't what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the fact that Cloud got 86.91% against CATS in 2003 and Link got 87.83% against CATS in 2004 and somehow that is underperforming.

Thats what I thought you were talking about after I posted haha...even with that comparison, its still not accurate because in 2003 we got over 100 thousand votes in almost every match. Less casual vote...
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

TRE, your extrapolated standings don't mean much since this year and 2003 are, for the most part, very different.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

TRE, your extrapolated standings don't mean much since this year and 2003 are, for the most part, very different.

Every year is different. The extraploated rankings are not perfect, but they aren't useless either.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

Thats what I thought you were talking about after I posted haha...even with that comparison, its still not accurate because in 2003 we got over 100 thousand votes in almost every match. Less casual vote...

Shouldn't a smaller casual vote only hurt Link in that kind of match?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud jsut above 77

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Shouldn't a smaller casual vote only hurt Link in that kind of match?

You'd think that, but then you have to look at who his competition is. CATS is easily the least known person in this contest.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

TWT: Maybe its cuz its late but i don't get ur point. It was argued that a smaller casual vote hurts Link. You respond by saying that that's not true because CATS is not well known? Isn't tht the same thing as saying he less well known among the casual vote and thus a smaller casual vote helps him = hurts Link?

Please tell me if I'm wrong. CSI is eating all my brain pwoer rgiht now

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

TWT: Maybe its cuz its late but i don't get ur point. It was argued that a smaller casual vote hurts Link. You respond by saying that that's not true because CATS is not well known? Isn't tht the same thing as saying he less well known among the casual vote and thus a smaller casual vote helps him = hurts Link?

No, no, no. The poll change HAS taken down a lot of casual votes, but just think about it: even if you're hurt by a casual vote, and you're playing against CATS, how much can that really hurt you?

Whereas if you're Jak/Ness or Tails/Viewtiful Joe...

Please tell me if I'm wrong. CSI is eating all my brain pwoer rgiht now

Amen to CSI, brotha.

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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

Alright... So relativity is the issue, not straight up votes. Point taken... and agreed with

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Alright... So relativity is the issue, not straight up votes. Point taken... and agreed with

Yeah, sorry I didn't clarify. On a side note, the poll change has greatly benefitted lesser known RPG characters that went up against more mainstream opponents:

Ness, Vivi, Tidus, Frog, Auron.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

OMG Knux brought himself up to 40% on Snake? Yikes! If I was a Samus fanboy I would indeed be getting worried.


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www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

Clouds at 77.4% at the 2am mark. It's looking good to getting that ~81% or so but every percentage point is that much ahrder to get at this point, but on the converse, that much more meaningful.

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

OMG Knux brought himself up to 40% on Snake? Yikes! If I was a Samus fanboy I would indeed be getting worried.

Don't sully this topic with filth like that. There's no way Sonic is gonna take down Samus. Samus beat him without Metroid Prime, and she's got several new games since 2002 that have propelled her popularity. Not to mention the complete thrashing of Lara Croft.

Samus should get around 54% on Sonic, I think.
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Dub T's Sc2k4 bracket : 45 of 48
Next Match: Cloud Strife vs. Vyse

Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Heroes
Sonic Battle

All have been out since last year and all have received average to great reviews

Samus has had

Zero Mission

~_~ She's doomed


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^ Smurf The cream of Sonic Fanboyism
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

*reads post* *completely disagrees* *reads sig* *understands*

^_~
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yay! Tie for 2,972nd! Top 3,000! Wonder if I can make a push towards the top 2,000 before Sora-Ryu...
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Knuckles has risen, Tails has risen, Shadow has perhaps risen so why the hell would Sonic not rise?


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^ Smurf The cream of Sonic Fanboyism
www.geocities.com/characterbattle2004 - The Autumn Character battle

Posted a bracket a couple of days ago amongst the Frog mayhem, and hence it was ignored for the most part. Have remodelled it, getting in games I like, matches I'd like to see (*cough*Halo-MP*cough*) and some of those RPG's you all seem to like - opinions please:

(1) Final Fantasy 7
(16) Zero Wing
(8) Soul Calibur 2
(9) Donkey Kong
(5) Goldeneye
(12) Gradius
(4) Super Mario World
(13) Phantasy Star
(6) Super Metroid
(11) Mortal Kombat 2
(3) Zelda - The Wind Waker
(14) Metal Gear
(7) Super Mario RPG
(10) Xenogears
(2) Zelda - A Link to the Past
(15) R-Type

(1) Chrono Trigger
(16) Chuckie Egg
(8) Final Fantasy Tactics
(9) Half-Life
(5) Sonic 2
(12) Ninja Gaiden (Xbox)
(4) Final Fantasy
(13) Gran Turismo 2
(6) Mega Man 2
(11) Metal Gear Solid 2
(3) Final Fantasy X
(14) Pac-Man
(7) Super Mario Kart
(10) Mario Kart 64
(2) The Legend of Zelda
(15) Pong

(1) Zelda - Ocarina of Time
(16) Elite
(8) Doom
(9) Quake
(5) Final Fantasy 8
(12) Sim City
(4) Tetris
(13) Star Wars - KOTOR
(6) Castlevania SOTN
(11) Metroid
(3) Final Fantasy 3/6
(14) Tales of Symphonia
(7) Kingdom Hearts
(10) Mega Man X
(2) Super Smash Bros. Melee
(15) Space Invaders

(1) Super Mario Bros. 3
(16) Ikaruga
(8) Contra
(9) Street Fighter 2
(5) Metroid Prime
(12) Earthbound
(4) Halo
(13) Duck Hunt
(6) GTA - Vice City
(11) Sonic 3
(3) Metal Gear Solid
(14) Skies of Arcadia
(7) Super Mario 64
(10) Donkey Kong Country
(2) Starcraft
(15) Disgaea
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Interesting Division.

(1) Final Fantasy 7
(16) Zero Wing

(8) Soul Calibur 2
(9) Donkey Kong

(5) Goldeneye
(12) Gradius

(4) Super Mario World
(13) Phantasy Star (To bad it can't win this match)

(6) Super Metroid
(11) Mortal Kombat 2

(3) Zelda - The Wind Waker

(14) Metal Gear
(7) Super Mario RPG
(10) Xenogears

(2) Zelda - A Link to the Past
(15) R-Type

Nice Match ups

(1) Chrono Trigger
(16) Chuckie Egg

(8) Final Fantasy Tactics
(9) Half-Life

(5) Sonic 2
(12) Ninja Gaiden (Xbox)

(4) Final Fantasy
(13) Gran Turismo 2

(6) Mega Man 2
(11) Metal Gear Solid 2

(3) Final Fantasy X
(14) Pac-Man

(7) Super Mario Kart
(10) Mario Kart 64 XD

(2) The Legend of Zelda (Overseeded in this division)
(15) Pong


(1) Zelda - Ocarina of Time
(16) Elite

(8) Doom
(9) Quake

(5) Final Fantasy 8
(12) Sim City

(4) Tetris
(13) Star Wars - KOTOR

(6) Castlevania SOTN
(11) Metroid

(3) Final Fantasy 3/6
(14) Tales of Symphonia

(7) Kingdom Hearts
(10) Mega Man X

(2) Super Smash Bros. Melee
(15) Space Invaders

(1) Super Mario Bros. 3
(16) Ikaruga

(8) Contra
(9) Street Fighter 2

(5) Metroid Prime
(12) Earthbound

(4) Halo
(13) Duck Hunt

(6) GTA - Vice City
(11) Sonic 3 8me thinks the seeding should be backwords, but I could be wrong)

(3) Metal Gear Solid

(14) Skies of Arcadia
(7) Super Mario 64
(10) Donkey Kong Country

(2) Starcraft (Starcraft VS Super Mario 64, that would be hard to vote on)
(15) Disgaea
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .44/46

OMG Knux brought himself up to 40% on Snake? Yikes! If I was a Samus fanboy I would indeed be getting worried.

This doesn't mean that Samus will lose (but I hope she does), but if you have Solid Snake over Megaman then you should be worried.
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .44/46

(1) Final Fantasy 7
(8) Soul Calibur 2

(5) Goldeneye
(4) Super Mario World

(6) Super Metroid
(3) Zelda - The Wind Waker

(7) Super Mario RPG
(2) Zelda - A Link to the Past


(1) Chrono Trigger
(8) Final Fantasy Tactics

(5) Sonic 2
(4) Final Fantasy

(6) Mega Man 2
(3) Final Fantasy X

(7) Super Mario Kart
(2) The Legend of Zelda


(1) Zelda - Ocarina of Time
(8) Doom

(5) Final Fantasy 8
(4) Tetris

(6) Castlevania SOTN
(3) Final Fantasy 3/6

(7) Kingdom Hearts
(2) Super Smash Bros. Melee


(1) Super Mario Bros. 3
(9) Street Fighter 2

(5) Metroid Prime
(4) Halo

(6) GTA - Vice City
(3) Metal Gear Solid

(7) Super Mario 64
(2) Starcraft

round3:

(1) Final Fantasy 7
(4) Super Mario World
(6) Super Metroid
(2) Zelda - A Link to the Past

(1) Chrono Trigger
(5) Sonic 2
(3) Final Fantasy X
(2) The Legend of Zelda

(1) Zelda - Ocarina of Time
(5) Final Fantasy 8
(3) Final Fantasy 3/6
2) Super Smash Bros. Melee

(1) Super Mario Bros. 3
(4) Halo
(3) Metal Gear Solid
(2) Starcraft

round4:

(1) Final Fantasy 7
(2) Zelda - A Link to the Past

(1) Chrono Trigger
(3) Final Fantasy X

(1) Zelda - Ocarina of Time
(3) Final Fantasy 3/6

(1) Super Mario Bros. 3
(2) Starcraft

round5:

(1) Final Fantasy 7
(1) Chrono Trigger

(1) Zelda - Ocarina of Time
(1) Super Mario Bros. 3

round6:
(1) Final Fantasy 7
(1) Zelda - Ocarina of Time

winner: FF7

that's what I think at least.
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46/46 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Shouldn't a smaller casual vote only hurt Link in that kind of match?

Why the hell would smaller casual vote hurt Link? I believe that it's fairly clear that very few casual gamers are fans of Nintendo, and a very large amount are fans of Final Fantasy, particularly at this site. What game could possibly be more casual than FFVII?

Vyse has been keeping Cloud from 80% for some time now. He keeps it at about .50 to .80.
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Let's get Dangerous.

this match does nothing except show that one of two things happened:

A. Vyse increased for no real reason (by about 2 % i think)
or
B. Cloud decreased for no real reason
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Do you think the KH factor may be wearing off for certain characters?
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 46/48, Next Winner: Cloud

i don't know, it's hard to call because we can't really be sure who benefited the most (although the obvious ones are cloud and sephiroth) because in that year Squall, Aeris, Cloud, and Sephiroth all increased (tidus looked like he stayed the same). However it is interesting that Squall underperformed this year as well...
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

I can hardly believe Vyse is holding his own with the day vote. Cloud's only two points under what he's expected to do, but with the way Link performed in HIS matches, it's getting real scary.

And what a train wreck of a pic for Cloud. My first thought when I saw it was, WTF is Link doing there? Oh wait, that's really Cloud. Oops.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Oh, and Knuckles the Echinda holding Snake under 60% for the first time ever... that pwns.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Vyse better enjoy this...this is the only glory he will ever have...nothing but glorified fodder...

Meanwhile...264 still above me...about 10 lower than yesterday!

Now I need a bunch of goofs to pick Kirby tomorrow... hehe The leaderboard inches closer...and closer... :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 5 SC2K4: 47/50 (Go RYU H!)

Oh, and Knuckles the Echinda holding Snake under 60% for the first time ever... that pwns.

This proves that Snake is vulnerable...and Frog is gonna prove it...he will get the job done in 2 weeks :)

F > L = S :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 5 SC2K4: 47/50 (Go RYU H!)

Looking great for Link. It doesn't say everything, but I remember the subtle clues we ignored in the first two rounds last year.

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"Yeah, there seems to be some sort of pink...my god...my god! IT ATE JOHNSON! ~BluesASC on Kirbyzilla

But do you remember the subtle clues we had in the first two rounds this spring? Hey, it wasn't so subtle, it was like a huge "LoZ-LttP-OoT-WW" panel with flashing neons all over.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Under 70% with Solid? <shudders> Just pathetic... the fact that five people who were otherwise perfect except for this section had Kefka going to the 3rd round is astounding. You can nail all these close matches, but take Kefka over Knuckles and Solid? Just wow. 87 more to fall down to my level... and I think I am going to need to wait until Mario/Crono III before more than 10-15 of those fall. Unless of course some major upset happens, but in that case, my bracket is six feet under by then.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

I lost today's Prophet Chellnge the moment someone voted for Vyse :)

I must say this is a bit surprising.. I said this one might be just as bad as Snake/Tanner was, but Vyse is actually holding his own.. I know 80-20 is a blowout, but I expected it to be a lot more than that. I guess the Cloud anti-vote is a lot more powerful than I thought. I still think he's going to win the contest again.. but it's not going to be as easy as I had thought.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

jonthompson, may I suggest switching Link to the Past with another 2 seed, preferrably Starcraft? Pitting Metroid's best against Zelda's worst (WW) means there is a nice potential for an upset there, so it would hurt to see a Super Metroid vs LttP rematch when it would be such a blowout. Besides, I'd like to see LttP vs Mario 3; I think that could end up very close.


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Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

Umm... dude? LoZ is far, far weaker than Wind Waker.

Not that I didn't know that from day one.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Do you think the KH factor may be wearing off for certain characters?

I always thought it was a factor but not as big as others. Maybe for someone like Squall it was, but I don't think it mattered so much for Cloud and Sephiroth, who didn't really need the KH factor.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

I must say this is a bit surprising.. I said this one might be just as bad as Snake/Tanner was, but Vyse is actually holding his own.. I know 80-20 is a blowout, but I expected it to be a lot more than that.

Gimme some of what you're smoking. Vyse was expected to get 18%. Not 6!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Gimme some of what you're smoking. Vyse was expected to get 18%. Not 6!

Not by me :D. I just thought Cloud would've rolled through the first two rounds with blowouts of epic proportions before starting to run into a little bit of a fight in the third round with Squall. Well, if you can call a 65%-35% match a little bit of a fight :).

Of course, I also have a score of 40, and I had Scorpion get to the round of 16.. man, I definitely WAS smoking something when I picked Scorps to win his first two matches. It's not 2002 anymore :(
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Umm... dude? LoZ is far, far weaker than Wind Waker.
True, but much of that comes from Wind Waker being a relatively new game. Its status is just going to fall as time goes on, being far too controversial to keep its huge fanbase like LttP or OoT. I have no doubt that it will be weaker next year than it was at this previous contest. A weaker Zelda going up against a slightly stronger Metroid that's not riddled with this SFF thing means that Super Metroid may still pull off the upset there. Which means it shoud have an interesting round 3 match, not one where it would get blown out by LttP again.
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Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

jonthompson, may I suggest switching Link to the Past with another 2 seed, preferrably Starcraft?

Then you've got Wind Waker and Starcraft in the same half-division. I've tried not to have too many repeat or SFF matches, but that's unavoidable in some cases. I'd rather swap Super Metroid and Vice City before doing that. Besides, doing that would change the bottom division which, IMO, is the most interesting.
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Snake finishes with 59.5% on Knuckles. Hopefully this meant Knuckles over-performed in the match,but it could very well show that either Snake is weaker, or just had a bad match. The sad thing is how many people had Kefka/Knuckles over Snake. I mean, Mega had more support than this going into Round 3. So how does this look for Round 3? Think people were actually dumb enough to ignore Mega's victory over Tommy last year, and how about with the whole Frog/MC/Kefka thing going on on the other half of the bracket?

Anyway, Cloud is looking decent today. Should end around 80-82%
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Vyse - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (46/48)

Midgar Division: Round 2 - Match 42 – (5)Kirby vs. (4)Squall

Moltar’s Analysis

Kirby - Sucks (in a good way)

Round 1 – vs. Kain (Kirby: 64.65% - Kain: 35.35%)

Kirby blows right past Kain, and now has to look forward to a tough Round 2 match.

Squall - Sucks (in a bad way)

Round 1 – vs. Bomberman (Squall: 64.75% - Bomberman: 35.25%)

Pretty average performance by Squall here. I kinda expected more…

After Squall’s less than great performance in 2002, 35% against Snake, how he got back in with a 6-seed confused many people…Wait…did I say Squall got 35% on Snake back in 2002. That’s not too bad now…maybe he did deserve that 6-seed. After his 60-40% win against Jill, he was looking to get beat by Weegi in Round 2…that didn’t happen though. Squall beat Luigi just as bad. He then goes on to get 42% on Samus? Not bad Squall, not bad.

Kirby also had a pretty bad start in 2002, getting a 14-seed and facing Jill in Round 1. Funny how Kirby still turned out to be the 3rd strongest character in his division. In 2003, Kirby took out Ramza and lost in a close match to Alucard.

This year, Kirby beat Kain by a good amount while Squall underpeformed against Bomberman. Could Squall’s boost be dying off? We’ll find out after this match. Now I could say Squall > Luigi > Jill > Kirby, but I think Kirby’s gotten stronger over the years, and could take Jill easily in a re-match. Kirby could possibly beat Luigi too. Squall is just too much for the puffball though, but don’t expect Kirby to go down easily. Kirby hasn’t been slaughtered in a match as of yet.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Squall will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Squall 57% - Kirby 43%



Ulti's Analysis

Squall's underperformance against Bomberman paired with Kirby's thrashing of Kain has caused the upset hopefuls to come out. Yeah, fat chance. Kain probably doesn't even come close to Raziel in strength, so blowing him out is nothing major. Now when you factor in that Squall had one of the most God-awful pictures ever seen in one of these contests against Bomberman, his performance (or lack thereof) makes sense. The best Kirby can hope for in this match is the early board vote to make it interesting, but not much
else.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Squall/Squall with 56.88%



Cena’s Analysis

I'm surprised a lot of people have Kirby winning this match. You do realize he lost to Jill, right? You do realize Squall kicked Luigi's ass last year, right? This is, without a question, a defeat for the pink fluffball. Sure, Kirby's gonna keep it close, hopefully intense, just so Squall fanboys get scared and start cheatin'. I'll be happy then. I'd be happier of I lost two points and saw Kirby pull the victory out from under Squall's feet. I don't see it happening though. I sorta feel bad for all ertyu's haters though. Kirby's going to lose and Dante's going to win. Man, this is disturbing.

Cena's Vote: Kirby

Cena's Prediction: Squall with 52% (I'll be cheering for Kirby, don't you worry)

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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Vyse - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (46/48)

Nice job by Vyse. He's keeping Cloud nearly 2% under what he'd be projected to get. Awesome. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud just broke 80% on Vyse.. He will probably end at around 81%

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

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Slowflake:
Umm... dude? LoZ is far, far weaker than Wind Waker.

What are you talking about? The difference in the extrapolateds isn't that great--34.49% vs. 37.29%.

Also, The Legend of Zelda could have suffered a little SFF in two ways--SFF against SMB3, or Chrono Trigger against Final Fantasy VII.

LoZ likely suffered in the extrapolateds from SFF more than WW was hurt by any anomalous Starcraft performance.

To call LoZ "far, far weaker" doesn't make sense. It does seem weaker, but not by much--and it's not inconceivable that it was stronger than WW.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I'm surprised at how well Vyse is doing right now. He's not letting Cloud get over 80.20%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud will hit 81% at the least..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

poor Vivi he'll probably give Ganondorf a run for his money for the lowest percent this round
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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

Vivi might be able to break 80% due to SFF not being from the same game...

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Cloud is just slowly "itching" up on percentage.. hm...

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Very, very slowly. He even occasionally drops down .1-.2%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

OK, you have a point about the WW/Starcraft rematch. I just feel sorry for Super Metroid - a game that could be a tour de force in the contest - getting stuck facing 2 Zelda games in a row (assuming it wins against WW). And I still think a LttP vs SMB 3 would be an interesting match. Oh well. Halo vs Metroid Prime (or would that be Halo 2 vs MP2, since this would take place next year?) would be one heck of a match.

I'm working on a new character bracket at the moment. I think we're getting close to the point where any bracket based on honest seeding (ie, Link, Cloud, Seph, and MM getting 1 seeds, Mario, Crono, Samus, Sonic getting 2, etc) is going to be very easy to pick, especially considering how high the scores are this time around. And since making the brackets up by company is apparantly a disaster (Link vs Ganondorf, need I say more?), perhaps the exact opposite would be better. Maybe I'll post it when I'm done.
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Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

OK, you have a point about the WW/Starcraft rematch. I just feel sorry for Super Metroid - a game that could be a tour de force in the contest - getting stuck facing 2 Zelda games in a row (assuming it wins against WW). And I still think a LttP vs SMB 3 would be an interesting match. Oh well. Halo vs Metroid Prime (or would that be Halo 2 vs MP2, since this would take place next year?) would be one heck of a match.

I wouldn't try to screw SM over, seeing how it is my favourite game. LttP vs SMB3 would be interesting, given, but you can't have every good match in a tournament happen. Without being unrealistic, unless I changed the seeds and gave SM a 4 or higher, there's not too many of the top 16 games that SM could beat anyway.

I've mentioned this before, but I'm working on a character bracket with 96 characters, 64 seeded based on the three contests we've had so far, 16 who've appeared once and lost first round and 16 snubs from all the contests. The seedings should be pretty much sorted soon, the only question is who gets the last 1 seed (currently held by Mario on account of his final appearance). Will keep you posted, may need to have some debate as to who gets the non-seeded positions.
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

By the end of the day, Cloud should end up right around where he's supposed to. I'm glad Vyse put up a good showing in the early hours.

Squall should get around 60% on Kirby tomorrow. Bomberman was back to his 2002 levels, and he did right around where he would've been expected to do on that level. Actually, if anything he did better. 2002 Bomberman would've been expected to get 36.27% and he only got 35.25%.

The only way Kirby stands a chance is if Kain is WAY stronger than Raziel (which I doubt) and Squall's performance against Bomberman was all him dropping. 2002 Kirby would've been expected to put up those same numbers against Raziel, so he doesn't look like he has increased.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And note: Squall would have to lose almost all of his Kingdom Hearts boost to lose. Not gonna happen.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I hope Squall can break 60% on Kirby...

*looks around* ... Sees Ulti's hate for FFVIII

*runs*

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Wow! I'm really impressed with Knuckles showing. I guess Sonic Heroes did give him quite a boost. In retrospect it probably does make sense that Sonic Heroes would help more than Twin Snakes. It did expose the Sonic Team to both PS2 and Xbox, while TTS only exposed Snake to Gamecube.
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"Enough."--Master Chief

Cloud is stalling at 80.28% for a long time.. He might not even be able to reach 81%... Kudos to Vyse for his "valiant" effort..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Also, after seeing the picture Cloud got today, I'm afraid Squall might get this one...

http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Arcade/3639/squall_leonheart.jpg
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

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I actually like FF8 more than FF7.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Maybe. But I still think it is justified. Maybe I should delete it, after all, he marks anything even remotely flaming him and red13n automatically does anything he says it seems...
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 48/50 (Yoshi) Pick: Squall

If Knux increased, Kefka increased by an incredible amount, then 2k3 Pac Man would be expected to nearly tie Luigi. It's certainly not unheard of for Pac Man to fall, but I refuse to believe Knux increased. I did the numbers a couple of pages back, and they don't add up.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

Why is Knuckles benefitting from Sonic Heroes so hard to believe? It was his first major appearance on the XBox and PS2.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Because Pac Man taking the greatest dive in contest history doesn't make sense. But we'll find out for sure when we see Snake/Mega Man and then Link/Mega Man, because there's a chance MC and thus Frog are stronger than they appear.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

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You know, judging by how little Snake's prediction percentage dropped between R1 and R2 the past to years, I'd estimate that about 20% (maybe a bit more...) of the brackets have Kefka reaching R3. o_O Heh, there guys in my prediction percentage contest who thought over 90% would have Snake this far.

This also makes me wonder if Mega Man will actually be the favorite against Solid Snake at the end of the division?

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I can definatly see Snake being the favorite after what happened with Zero.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Nah, they ought to be about even in prediction percentage, with Mega Man having a slight advantage. I'm sure quite a few for some reason have Vercetti beating the Blue Bomber, and then some will have Master Chief beating Solid as well.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Both Mega and Snake will probably be pretty low. Mega had to deal with the casual favorite Vercetti, Snake had the casual favorite Master Chief. The 20XX winner (Mega) will probably have the lowest prediction percentage of any division winner, even if Seph beats Cloud.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

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^that would be great, it would boost me up!
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Megaman will beat Snake without too much of a threat.. I think Samus will have a tougher time with Sonic than Megaman would with Snake..

As for Cloud vs. Sephiroth, Cloud will be the victor of the two.. Although I wouldn't care if Sephiroth wins and than beat Link in the finals..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Yeah, Mega will kill Snake. However, if you read my post, you would realize that I said Mega will have a really low prediction percentage. Not actual percentage, as Cloud/Seph will easily be the closest match.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

80.36% for Cloud now..

What was he expected to get on stats?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Cloud needs to get up to 81.57% to match the prediction.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

The stats have him at 81.57% against Vyse.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud's starting to move up in percentage again. He's over 80.4% right now.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Looks like the closest 4-pack will either be Squall's, Ryu H.'s or Frog's
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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

It'll be Hayabusa's. HK-47 is the only one who's far off from them, and he's closer to the group than Crash is to MC/Frog/Liquid. Squall would break 70% on Kain easily.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I have high hopes for tomorrow's match pic. A major badass and an adorable puffball. I expect something Luigi vs Yoshi calibur here.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

CJayC will probably blow it by giving Squall his menu picture like he did for Cloud. Today's match had a lot of potential as well. Heh, I like the picture MMX has on his site. It would be awesome if we saw that used.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Here's my Summer 2k5 bracket I quickly made up. The theme for the first half is obvious - this is the ultimate Nintendo vs Square grudge match. Assuming the higher seed wins every time, then all 31 matches will be Nintendo vs Square. Since these are the two dominating forces in the contest, this could become very interesting. After all, throwing all of one company's characters into one division makes things very boring (besides seeing just how badly Link can destroy everyone), so maybe doing the exact opposite would work better.

The second half was a bit less fun to make. I briefly toyed with the idea of US vs Japan, but methinks Master Chief and Tommy as 1 and 2 seeds just seems a bit wrong somehow. So I just moved Capcom over to the West team to even things up a bit, although that half is still a lot easier to predict than the NvS side. The rest of the companies just don't have a large enough pool of potentially strong characters to choose from. So anywho, here it is.

Link's Division
1 Link
16 Sora
8 Auron
9 Ridley

4 Magus
13 Ness
5 Bowser
12 Terra

3 Mario
14 Yuna
6 Squall
11 Roy

7 Yoshi
10 Vivi
2 Sephiroth
15 Captain Falcon


Cloud's Division
1 Cloud
16 Fox
8 Kirby
9 Frog

4 Ganondorf
13 Kefka
5 Tidus
12 Donkey Kong

3 Crono
14 Agahnim
6 Zelda
11 Vincent

7 Aeris
10 Luigi
2 Samus
15 Ramza



Mega Man's Division
1 Megaman
16 CATS
8 KOS-MOS
9 Sub Zero

4 Alucard
13 Protoman
5 Dante
12 Vyse

3 Ryu
14 Ryo
6 Ryu H
11 Viewtiful Joe

7 Jill
10 Tails
2 Snake
15 Duke Nukem


Sonic's Division
1 Sonic
16 Jak
8 Chun-Li
9 Nightmare

4 Master Chief
13 Pac-Man
5 Knuckles
12 Gordon Freeman

3 Shadow
14 Lara Croft
6 Tommy Vercetti
11 Bomberman

7 Liquid Snake
10 Sam Fisher
2 Zero
15 Terry


Some notes:
That Ryu/Ryo/Ryu H 4-pack was completely unintentional, but I'm certainly not giving it up now. Maybe that will teach Japan not to use the same bloody name over and over.

Balancing the NvsS is a bit more difficult than it sounds. Although they start off at equal strengths, once we get to the 5-9 range or so Square starts to gain a significant advantage. If FFXII comes out before the contest, that would mess things up even more. The problem is that Nintendo has a wide range of games to choose characters from, but Square relies solely on a few FF games as well as CT. I tried to balance it as best as I could, but Square could easily gain the upper hand here.

I know Mario's technically ranked higher than Samus, but I gave her Nintendo's #2 spot for quite a few reasons. A) Samus' smackdown of Lara indicates things may be changing, B) I get the feeling Mario vs Crono will be a dud this year, with Mario getting defeated by a decent margin, C) This eliminates MvC IV, and D) I like Samus better.

The lack of an obvious main character from FF3/6 really hurts it. Since Terra's the closest to being the main character, I threw her in ahead of Celes/Locke/Shadow/Cyan/whatever. Maybe CJayC could use something like http://www.ffinfinite.com/ff6/terra4.jpg rather than her official art so that she can stand a chance.

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Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

More stuff:
I'd be more than willing to give up the West+Capcom vs East milieu to get Sonic vs Snake, since that would be a darn good match, but that would mean Zero vs Mega Man, and I really want to stay away from SFF induced matches. I also want to see Zero vs Shadow, so I guess I'm out of luck.

I am fully aware that Ken is more popular than Chun Li. But she still deserves a spot in the tournament, and Ken's already had his chance.

I'm also not sure if Nightmare's the best choice from Soul Calibur. The other two options I considered were Ivy and Sueng Mina, but I really don't know who's considered the fan favorite from the series.


Potentially close matches (2k3ER = 2003 Extrapolated Rankings, according to sc2k4.com)
Round 1
Auron vs Ridley - If Bowser can do so well, perhaps a cool looking dragon-pterodactyl-thing can as well. Enough to get past Auron? Doubtful, but you never know
Bowser vs Terra - FF3 is a force to be reckoned with, even if Kefka isn't.
Squall vs Roy - Smash Bros is popular, and Roy is popular in the game. I doubt he would win, but it might frighten people how close this could get.
Yoshi vs Vivi - We don't know Vivi's strength, but he did quite well against Donkey Kong. And Yoshi's not too much higher than DK in the 2k3ER
Kirby vs Frog - Kirby is right above Master Chief in the 2k3ER. I think that says it all
Zelda vs Vincent - Zelda's #3 vs FFVII's #4. I doubt Vincent's strength, but some people are claiming he'd pull off some miracles, so whatever.
KOS-MOS vs Sub Zero - Assuming Sub Zero=Scorpion, both did comparably bad against two relatively equal characters (Ryu and Auron) this time around. Could be close
Chun-Li vs Nightmare - Soul Caliber held its own against Kingdom Hearts, but it doesn't exactly have any stand out characters. Two new characters, both from popular fighting games. Could be interesting
Liquid Snake vs Sam Fisher - Admittedly, LS probably ranks well above Sam. But this one could be interesting.

Round 2
Ganondorf vs Tidus - Should be obvious, considering last year
Zelda vs Crono - Probably will be a blowout, but this bracket is the ultimate Nintendo/Square grudge match. This may mean people will be more likely to vote along party lines. Besides, Zelda X might give her a boost. Who knows? I'd still expect this to be less than 60-40.
Alucard vs Dante - These two are right on top of each other in the 2k3ER
Master Chief vs Knuckles - Another close one in the 2k3ER. We'll have to see how well Frog does against Solid to see how close this would be

Round 3
Crono vs Samus - It's debateable whether Samus or Mario is Nintendo's #2 man (or woman) in the contest. Here's an easy way to find out.
Ryu vs Snake - With Snake performing so poorly against Knuckles this year, an upset, while unlikely, may be possible
Shadow vs Zero - Once again, 2 people who are close in the 2k3ER

Round 4
Link vs Sephiroth - Duh
Sonic vs Zero - I know Sonic's supposed to be much higher than Zero, but with MM's popularity possibly on the rise, who knows? It's a long shot, but I'd give this the same possibility as Ryu vs Snake.

Round 5
Link/Sephiroth vs Cloud - Once again, duh.

Round 6
Link/Sephiroth/Cloud vs Mega Man - OK, probably not, but some people here might get mad if I don't give MM a chance here. And with it being the finals, perhaps MM might get a boost somehow from Nintendo/Square haters or something. I don't know.


So what do you think?
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Back off, man. I'm a scientist.

Here's something to look at

2004 Rankings

Link - 50.00%
CATS - 12.17%
Ganondorf - 12.10%
Alucard - 10.37%

Yoshi - 50.00%
Luigi - 45.52%
Pac-Man - 29.38%
Ryo - 23.60%

Crono - 50.00%
Magus - 30.22%
Conker - 22.01%
Luca - 11.46%

Mario - 50.00%
Bowser - 29.35%
JC Denton - 16.46%
Guybrush - 9.98%

Mega Man - 50.00%
Tidus - 35.22%
Shadow - 34.65%
Earthworm Jim - 17.02%

Zero - 50.00%
Tommy Vercetti - 38.16%
Max - 29.03%
Protoman - 28.28%

Frog - 50.00%
Master Chief - 50.00%
Liquid Snake - 49.95%
Crash - 29.28%

Solid Snake - 50.00%
Knuckles - 40.46%
Kefka - 34.42%
Tanner - 5.70%

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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

3 Ryu
14 Ryo
6 Ryu H
11 Viewtiful Joe

Throw in Ryu (Breath of Fire) in there for the greatest 4 pack of all time.

And why give Sonic such an easy division?
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

1 Link
8 Auron
4 Magus
5 Bowser
3 Mario
6 Squall
7 Yoshi
2 Sephiroth
(Link, Magus, Mario, Sephiroth - Link, Sephiroth - Link)

1 Cloud
9 Frog
4 Ganondorf
5 Tidus
3 Crono
11 Vincent
7 Aeris
2 Samus
(Cloud, Ganondorf, Crono, Samus - Cloud, Samus - Cloud)

1 Megaman
8 KOS-MOS
4 Alucard
5 Dante
3 Ryu
6 Ryu H
7 Jill
2 Snake
(Mega Man, Dante, Ryu, Snake - Mega Man, Snake - Mega Man)

1 Sonic
8 Chun-Li
4 Master Chief
5 Knuckles
3 Shadow
6 Tommy Vercetti
7 Liquid Snake
2 Zero
(Sonic, Master Chief, Tommy Vercetti, Zero - Sonic, Zero - Sonic)

So a final four of Link, Cloud, Mega Man and Sonic. Could be interesting I suppose, some good close matches that I wouldn't like to call.
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Cloud didn't gain to much from the time I left, but I suppose he'll end up around what he's projected to get. Not disappointing but not impressive.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Link - 50.00%
CATS - 12.17%
Ganondorf - 12.10%
Alucard - 10.37%

That's really quite funny.
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Link - 50.00%
CATS - 12.17%
Ganondorf - 12.10%
Alucard - 10.37%

That's really quite funny.

All I can say is that the X-Stats are truly EFFED up this year..


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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Nice job char, I was going to do that myself, but I figured somebody else would before me...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Vyse - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (46/48)

I must thank The CN for defending LoZ against the horrors of Slowflake.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Cloud just hit 80.6% on Vyse.. He might reach what he's expected to with Vyse..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I must thank The CN for defending LoZ against the horrors of Slowflake.

Yes I do believe that LoZ should be ranked higher than WW, but in a match I think I have to give it to TWW.

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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

I'm sure Leonheart can take enjoyment from tomorrow. A board that is more anti-Squall and pro-Kirby should be funny to see.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Indeed it will HM.
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We should stop importing foreign oil. We should just get it from Mexico! George W. Bush

Squall is my favorite character by far, but Kirby is my #2. The only satisfaction I'll get from this match is if Squall overperforms by a good bit and looks set to have a good showing against Cloud.

Besides, NOTHING will ever beat this board on the day of Squall-Luigi. That's the best day I've ever had here.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Oh... you like... Kirby. Ahem, well nevermind then.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

...What's wrong with Kirby?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Vyse - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (46/48)

Yes, Kirby Superstar is one of my favorite SNES games, and he's my favorite character to use in the Smash Brothers series. What's not to love about the little puffball?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

...What's wrong with Kirby?

There's less than 60 posts left in this topic, not enough space to list every reason :-)
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Jon Thomson - today: Cloud, tomorrow: Squall - 40/48
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

I don't like him. =\
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well Baffled Flask, I just don't see enough new competitors there for my taste. A few great ones, but not enough.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Kirby SuperStar rocked. So many good games in one.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

Might as well jump in and post my Psuedo Spring Contest Bracket.

Note: Yeah, I know that almost all of the Mario games are in the same division. SMB3 wasn't originally in that division but I had to switch it around to avoid rematches is some other divisions.

1. Final Fantasy VII
16. Xenosaga: Episode 1: Der Wille Zur Macht

8. Mega Man 2
9. Sonic the Hedgehog 3 & Knuckles

5. Halo: Combat Evolved
12. Jak II

4. Goldeneye 007
13. ICO

6. Doom
11. Street Fighter II

3. Punch-Out!!
14. Duck Hunt

7. Sonic Adventure 2: Battle
10. Pokemon Red/Blue/Green

2. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
15. Ice Climbers

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1. Super Smash Brothers Melee
16. Shaq-Fu

8. Final Fantasy Tactics
9. Half-Life

5. Super Mario World
12. Mortal Kombat

4. Super Mario 64
13. Final Fantasy Tactics Advance

6. Super Mario Brothers
11. Banjo-Kazooie

3. Final Fantasy VI
14. Skies of Arcadia

7. Golden Sun: The Lost Age
10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

2. Super Mario Brothers 3
15. Gauntlet

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1. Chrono Trigger
16. Disgaea: Hour of Darkness

8. Resident Evil 2
9. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

5. Final Fantasy X
12. Tales of Symphonia

4. Final Fantasy VIII
13. Pong

6. The Sims
11. Ninja Gaiden

3. Starcraft
14. Diablo II: Lord of Destruction

7. Metal Gear Solid
10. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty

2. Legend of Zelda
15. Animal Crossing

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1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
16. Big Rigs: Off-Road Racing

8. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
9. Metroid Prime

5. Tetris
12. Kingdom Hearts

4. Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars
13. Soul Calibur II

6. Super Metroid
11. Super Mario Kart

3. The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
14. Earthbound

7. Donkey Kong
10. Pac-Man

2. Grand Theft Auto III
15. Kirby's Adventure in Dreamland
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"Playtime is oveeeeeer."-- Knuckles the Echidna

Oh, hush up you 2.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Vyse - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (46/48)

Kirby's Superstar did own though.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Kirby has a cool name.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Charmander, why not do it with 2k3 Ganon, Magus, and Bowser? It'd at least look a little more legit.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yes Leonhart 4.. Kirby is also my favorite character to use in SSB and SSBM..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Ganon is my fav, followed by Kirby in second.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Cloud vs. Vyse - Bracket: Cloud - Vote: Cloud (46/48)

It's all about Marth (1v1) and Little Link (Melees).
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

Charmander, why not do it with 2k3 Ganon, Magus, and Bowser? It'd at least look a little more legit.

Sure I just wanted to show you how bad the non-SFF rankings look like

Link - 50.00%
Ganondorf - 34.73%
Alucard - 29.75%
CATS - 12.17%

Crono - 50.00%
Magus - 45.80%
Conker - 22.01%
Luca - 17.37%

Mario - 50.00%
Bowser - 40.55%
JC Denton - 16.46%
Guybrush - 13.80%

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Summer 2004 Contest 43/48 Cloud vs. Vyse

This is me at 2am: Clouds at 77.4% at the 2am mark. It's looking good to getting that ~81% or so but every percentage point is that much ahrder to get at this point, but on the converse, that much more meaningful.

It is now almost noon: Clouds at ~80.65 and very much well on his way to 03 predicted nubmers of 81.57%. Obviously, even getting 1% once you hit 80 is quite a difficult task, so we'll see about that. The point is, for all the complainings about Cloud showing weak in the first round, the existence of anti-champion votes, and etc. as lnog as he doesn't drop he has proved them all wrong.


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You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Cloud has been hanging around 80.65% for a while now. It doesn't look like the Kingdom Hearts Factor is wearing off by any significant margin.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I take it you're agreeing with me? =)

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Last round did a good job of showing that Kingdom Hearts hadn't left anything significantly, but it's more than safe to say he isn't any stronger than last year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, apparently he's not much weaker either...

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Problem is, he doesn't have to be much weaker to lose.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

I didn't expect Cloud to be any stronger. I just thought it was ridiculous that some people thought the Kingdom Hearts Factor wouldn't matter anymore all of a sudden.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well I still see no problem in having a Link and Cloud final. If Cloud hasn't gone up, why would Seph? Has Seph gone up since last year? Link seems to have gone up a bit since last year, but we won't know for sure until he beats Crono.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 47/48
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Link seems to have gone up a bit since last year,

Not really, he performed but 1% better than what he was expected and CATS falling wouldn't be surprising. Or even a mixture, which makes his rise very minute.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Or if we get lucky and have Link face Mario in the Elite Eight, we probably won't know how much stronger Link is until he faces Mega Man.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

While Cloud may not be quite matching his expected percentage, his total votes are impressive so far. In the matches where they had the most individual votes:

Sephiroth at 12:00 hours - 40,468
Link at 12:00 hours- 39,225
Cloud at 12:00 hours - 38,297

Cloud was at 41,597 during this match at 12:00 hours. So he's looking good in that regard.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm actually hoping Crono finally beats Mario, not because he deserves to win, but because I want to see what he'd get on Link. I have a feeling that the two of them are ranked too low, and I want to see them move up.
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Current Pick: Cloud; Current Vote: Vyse the Legend; Points: 45/48
CUTLASS FURY!

As usual, Cloud draws the voters to the poll en masse. Glad to see that Vyse finally broke 10,000 as well.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

He could get the highest individual votes if this keeps up. Not that surprising for Cloud to have the highest individual votes.

Hasn't the champion gotten the highest individual vote total each year? XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Yes, with the exception of the Spring Contest (Legend of Zelda had more against Adventure, but FFVII had 2nd highest).
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud's dropping in percentage wise.. 80.59% now..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

About 0.98% off from his projection.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I wan Vyse to get at least 20% on Cloud
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There was no nudity in Crono Trigger, there was nudity in Crono Cross, making it an overral better game.- Heroic Dr Wily

Doesn't look like that it'll be happening. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

NVM about that drop.. Cloud just came back with a 80.66%.. I hope he can reach the percent that he is expected too..

*looks around* ...
what?? .. IMO . Cloud > Vyse by far..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I don't think he's going to break 81%.

Considering what he's doing so far as well as what Link has done (though the latter is of little relevance), I gotta favor Link slightly between the two, and that's if nothing blurs the cards and steps between the two (most likely Sephiroth, but maybe also Samus or Megaman).
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Wow, Cloud's on the move all of a sudden. He just hit 80.7%.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Mega Man is FAR more liekly to win than Sephiroth.

On another note, I just got to Kingdom Hearts Cloud for the first time. Rock on, man of few words.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Well, Cloud's within the margin of error now.

Gotta say I've been more impressed by Link so far, even IF he's just fought the definition of fodder and been on the winning end of a severe SFF-fest.

But man, I can't get over Ganon being worse than CATS. Can we really chalk up something that harsh solely to SFF?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Cloud's still on the move. Over 80.75% now.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

But man, I can't get over Ganon being worse than CATS. Can we really chalk up something that harsh solely to SFF?

How else would you explain it?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

sephiroth is so much better in that game though, and the 1% differences do matter, and I think Link doing better on Cats than cloud does mean something. yeah it could be cats falling, but had he done worse, then it would have been cause for concern, so doing better at least dispels him getting worse. as for cloud, eh, he's doing close enough to his prediction percentage so can't tell too much from this either,

also, in a side note, this will be the last round that cloud wins, as squall will both destory gamefaqs and the world by defeating cloud next round.
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : )http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16070956

You better believe it.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And no sooner had I said that Cloud hit 80.75% does he hit 80.8%. He's really movin' now.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

sephiroth is so much better in that game though

I haven't seen Sephiroth yet. =P
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

Link's performance was better simply because, like you said, we at least know Link can match what he's expected to get against an opponent. Cloud could possibly be looking at two underperformances against two opponents and while both were very close to what he's expected to get he still wasn't able to match it. Could be different for today, but we'll see...

As of right now though, it's far to early to favor anything.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We've also yet to really see what Sephiroth is made of either, and we won't have a concrete idea until he faces Cloud. Auron might give us SOME indication though.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The Sephiroth fight was grand, an nearly caused me to fail French.

Almost like the multiple RAYS in MGS2 in which I stood up all night thanks to the fact that I had only eight chaff grenades and two rations...>_<.

*has no skill*
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

You know, the bracket just seems set up to make sure we can't analyze anaomlies in performances by characters until a late round (or not at all). Gotta love CJay.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 47/50 Next Pick: Squall

Wow, this match already has 60,000 votes. It's on pace for over 90,000.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

You know, the bracket just seems set up to make sure we can't analyze anaomlies in performances by characters until a late round (or not at all). Gotta love CJay.

You act like that's a bad thing. It'll make next year all the more harder to predict.
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Summer Contest Match 40 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

It's also set up so that you can't gauge a character's strength easily.
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

It's well-known by now that any match invloving FFVII gets a ton of votes.

Look at the Spring Contest. Only two matches broke 100,000 votes: StarCraft vs. Halo...and FFVII vs. Suikoden II.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Vote totals in general have been looking up this round.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire

To gauge Seph's strength, you can compare his Vivi performance with the Donkey Kong performance from Vivi, right?
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Shdwdude rox ;.; ~ Cloud
Best. Game. Ever 2 - Harry Potter Quidditch World Cup

80.84% now.. He'll make 81% by the end of the match..

and the point about how Megaman has a better chance of winning than Sephiroth does.. Explain yourself!!!..!!!

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Yes. But it wouldn't be perfect, as you would be assuminmg DK stayed the same. Also, there may be SFF involved. Not a bunch, but some.
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Summer Contest Match 40 Cloud vs. Vyse
Status 38/41 Points: 047 Next: Squall vs. Kirby

Why would DK NOT stay the same?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 046/048 - Matches: 38/40 - Rank: 00088/33221 - Today: Cloud - Tomorrow: Squall

Nah, we won't be able to tell much from Vivi due to SFF. We might be able to get some idea from Auron since Cloud faced him last year.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Are we done here?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Because he's not playable in Mario Party 5.