After another failed attempt to steal our thunder, we reign supreme once more. Damn coattail riders.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Always with the coattails...Has the other topic hit 300 yet?
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

Someone set up us the tag.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Snake finally got a new pic! omgomgomgomgomgomg.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

*gets off coattails* Sorry 'bout 'dat.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Wait the other one isn't even to 300 yet? Why is this one made? No wonder they're up to 53......
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By the way, bj good, your posts speak of wisdom as well as your name. - sakbato88

cool.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

*tag* What again do we think if/when Zero tops the MM % against Tommy last year?
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

*tag* What again do we think if/when Zero tops the MM % against Tommy last year?

We still think Zero gets SFF'd to hell and back by the Blue Bomber, because if Magus can't get reverse SFF, no one can. And it would still be reverse SFF, because it appears that MM is stronger than last year.
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Current Pick: Mega Man; Current Vote: Mega Man; Points: 37/40
Blue Bomber Forever!

Actually, the reason I make the topics early is because I'm not online as much. 52 will certainly hit 500 sometime in the morning, and I may not be around to make it then.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Posted this in the other one earlier and nobody replied, so I'm gonna post it here and early.

I got a question: I've been debating this in another topic...when we're trying to compare Frog's popularity, which would be better to use?

1) Comparing Solid-Liquid's popularity separation to Crono-Magus's.

2) Comparing Crono-Magus-Frog's popularity separations to Cloud-Sephiroth-Aeris's.

I believe in #2 very much; If you compare Cloud to Crono, Sephiroth to Magus, and FF7 to CT, the percentages don't fluctuate all that much. Then, Crono isn't much more popular than Magus, much like Cloud isn't much more popular than Sephiroth. From there, there's a big gap between Sephiroth and Aeris (we've argued over whether she's the third most popular or not, I know, but I don't think she's far enough away from third to make this obsolete, plus I truly think she is third)...so who's to say that Frog wouldn't take a big dip from Magus's level?

If Frog makes an equal dip and Master Chief gained more than Crash lost, the boards very well may become hellacious to stand.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

oh man, if snake can get like 67-68% against knux that would make him stronger than mario and crono stats wise.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

I'm ready for the Frog victory.

*turn on Frog's theme*
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Tomorrow is our last chance for a good match before Mario/Crono III, unless Sora-Hayabusa turns out to be a shocker.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I don't think Snake will get a higher % than last year now (although I'm still hoping, of course). Knux's pic looks wicked awesome, and it's not the same Snake that most people have come to easily recognize. He just looks a bit bland compared to the vibrant Knuckles to the left of him.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Snake's picture is still better than the melting mullet man he usually gets.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

... Solid Snake still has the pic advantage.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

Tomorrow is our last chance for a good match before Mario/Crono III, unless Sora-Hayabusa turns out to be a shocker.

Over this past week, I've thought more and more that it will be. I still think Ryu will win though.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Oh and for the record, since Solid Snake got a MGS3 pic, I demand that CJayC use a Kingdom Hearts II pic for Sora. His new design owns so much.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

From a pure bias standpoint, I'd hate to see Samus beat Cloud.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Before I begin this analysis, I will provide all the past vote totals/percentages for any matches that Frog and Master Chief participated in.

Frog:

vs. Liquid Snake

Frog 50.05% 43913
Liquid Snake 49.95% 43820
TOTAL VOTES 87733

Well... He hasn't been in very many matches.

Master Chief:

vs. Felix

Master Chief 52.96% 56549
Felix 47.04% 50231
TOTAL VOTES 106780

vs. Aeris

Aeris Gainsborough 60.15% 65136
Master Chief 39.85% 43161
TOTAL VOTES 108297

vs. Crash Bandicoot

Master Chief 70.72% 54469
Crash Bandicoot 29.28% 22552
TOTAL VOTES 77021


As you can see, Master Chief has been in a fair few matches.


Now, as soon as the gates to this tournament were opened, everyone was overjoyed that local snub Frog had been included in the tournament. They were equally appauled that someone like MASTER CHIEF could POSSIBLY get the 3 seed. Of course, Frog immediately became the favorite to reach the sweet sixteen and lose to Solid Snake, though some risk takers put Frog past the Snake. However, few talked about Master Chief getting past Frog, assuming it was not even a plausible occurrence. Frog's first match against Liquid Snake was allegedly going to go off without a hitch seeing Frog the winner by a good 55%. Then, disaster struck. Frog vs. Liquid was a ridiculously CLOSE match, each competitor taking the lead then losing it just as fast. When the dust cleared, Frog was the victor, but not by nearly as much as expected. All the Frog supporters who had said the amphibian would destroy Liquid quickly retracted their statements and argued that Liquid was clearly a strong competitor.

Next up was the big MC. Master Chief, the very symbol of X-Box. Master Chief, the guy who had trouble dispatching Felix. Master Chief, who was never expected to perform well in ANY match after that. Master Chief who was so pathetic that he WHAT?!?! Master Chief who got 70% on Crash?!?! Yes, MC absolutely destroyed Crash, much to everyone's surprise. Of course, everyone immediately decided that this just meant Crash had taken a drastic fall this year, never attributing it to a Chief gain. And so the stage was set for the action-packed battle of Frog vs. Master Chief.

There are quite a few arguments that essentially give Frog this match before it even starts, and they seem flawless, at a glance at least. But upon further investigation of these claims, flaws are easily found. The most popular argument is probably the fact that Chrono Trigger recently got to the finals of the Best. Game. Ever. battle. They immediately assume that this is clear indication that Frog is a powerhouse just waiting to be seen in action. I have two words for you. Sarah. Kerrigan. Allow me to elaborate. I'm sure everyone is aware of Starcraft's surprise dominance in the Spring Contest. Unless you believe Sarah Kerrigan would be a powerful competitor in a Summer Contest atmosphere, you should know that characters and games are not interchangable. "But what about the power Crono and Magus constantly display?!?!?!" Crono is so powerful because the game has his name directly in the title (okay it's Chrono in the title but most people think Crono). Magus on the other hand, is a bad-ass mage who kicks ass, takes names, and drinks Duke Nukem. Frog, on my magical third hand, is just that. A frog. Unless you have played the game, you PROBABLY won't like Frog. Now let's examine Master Chief. There isn't much to say about him character-wise. Master Chief is, for all intents and purposes, X-Box. He is the very embodiment of the heavy system.

Another popular argument is "X-Box Hate". I will agree with you that there was X-Box hate last year. But between the first and second rounds of the Summer Contest, it already showed signs of diminishing. Master Chief went from 52% on Felix to 40% on AERIS, Queen of the Spoilers! From FF7, which had its two main characters duke it out in the finals last year. Say all you want but obtaining 40% against ANY FF7 character other than Cait Sith or Yuffie is no small feat. Some people may be saying, "So what? The X-Box hate went down a bit. It is probably still there for the most part." I am afraid I have to disagree with you. I present to you, the following proof:

Halo: Combat Evolved 49.83% 56258
Starcraft 51.17% 56631
TOTAL VOTES 112889


Again, Starcraft was quite the powerhouse in the Spring Contest, even going as far as defeating a Zelda game. Halo proved to be almost as powerful as Starcraft. X-Box hate? So last year. Then, as if he wanted to further solidify the fact that X-Box hate is dead, Master Chief absolutely obliterated Crash. I am sure many of you are saying, "Big deal. Washed up mascots don't make great testing dummies." Well, I will just tell you that Master Chief performed 6% better than expected.

A third argument which is shot down, rather quickly as well, is Master Chief's pathetic showing against Felix. This was most likely just a fluke. Master Chief DID go on to get 40% on Aeris shortly after his match with Felix, so this match was just an anomoly. One could say that Master Chief's fight with AERIS was the fluke, but that hardly makes sense when taking into account his performance against Crash. Now, I for one do NOT think that Frog would get any better than 43% on Aeris. "But MasterMage, that's 3% BETTER than the chief!!!! FISSION MAILED XDXD!!!" Ah, my fine feathered friend, that's where you are wrong. I firmly believe that Master Chief has gone up a sizable portion this year, within the range of getting 45% on Aeris now.

Now for the extra little things that could possibly give Master Chief a few votes here and there. Hype and Picture. I know, I know, "Hype does nothing," blah blah blah. Ordinarily, I'd agree. However, over 1,000,000 pre-orders tends to turn a few heads. People ARE thinking about Halo 2. And luckily for Master Chief, his match is a little before Halo 2 is released, therefore giving the game no time to disappoint anyone. Of course, I doubt it will be disappointing at all but still. And now, the ever mystical "picture advantage". I will say right now that picture advantage doesn't do much. However, IF it is a close match, the picture advantage takes a bit more meaning. Therefore, if this match turns out to be a nail-biter, MC may benefit from the fact that Frog has a terrible mug shot. After seeing the picture, I for one would not vote Frog if I had never heard of either character. One more factor that could come into play is that fact that many, MANY people absolutely love bees.

My prediction for this match is Master Chief with 52% of the votes. My bracket has Master Chief winning, as does my heart. If you actually took the time to read this, thank you, and I look forward to your ridicule.

I'd be indifferent to Samus beating Cloud if I didn't have a bracket, although I like them both.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I just couldn't see that happening myself. If Sephiroth beats Cloud, I'd love to see Samus win though.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Samus over Cloud....sounds nice.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tommy vs Zero - Bracket: Zero - Vote: Zero (40/42)

There's not "used" to it my friend. He has and always will be the representer of Nintendo.

Even though I don't always agree with Heroic Mario, but I highly agree with him on this one.. It's not possible to not think of Mario when you hear Nintendo... Screw Link and everyone else as Mario will always be the true representer of Nintendo..

As for Samus.. Yes Ulti, she is very well the Mrs. Nintendo.. =)
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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

From a pure bias standpoint, I'd hate to see Samus beat Cloud.

Me too HM. Me too

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Agreed. If Sephiroth beats Cloud, then I would love to see Samus beat him.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It'd be nice to see Zero come nearer to 62% before it's all said and done.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

By the way, going along with what I was saying about Tidus holding his own but collapsing against the elites and legends...Do you think Tidus could be the reason for the 2002 WDF? If Sonic overperformed against him like Mega Man did but it wasn't his true strength, might that have caused it?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The reason for the whole WDF was that Sephiroth overperformed against Link and that brought everyone else up.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

But you never bought that before. I'm just saying theoretically...Could that have caused it?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Was there ever a plausible reason as to why Seph overperformed?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I've never bought WDF in general, for whatever the reason. And I doubt Tidus was the one who caused it to happen.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Not really. It was just the easiest excuse to explain it, from what I can tell.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, I could understand why you'd doubt it 'cause it'd shoot down Mega Man. But from an unbiased standpoint and only in theory: is it plausible? That's all I'm asking. If it's not, just show me why not and shoot me down.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm back, I finally got my computer and set it up at college. Could someone quickly explain what happened in the Ryu Hayabusa - Jill match? sc2k4.com/update.php seems to indicate that the poll lasted two days, yet the vote totals got reset (unlike the Vice City/KotOR match).
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For the sake of simplicity, I'm going to refer to Gordon Freeman versus Tanner as Schrodinger's Match. -Phoenix Flattener

A glitch that caused the Sora-HK-47 poll to still show up for some when they accessed the main page caused CJayC to re-start the match on the next day.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Sorry about this.. But to get to the point.. What's WDF?
=) ... *Sorry to sound like a noob*

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Glitch in the pool. Every 2/3 of the time you would see Sorvs HK-47. CjayC decided to reset it, much to many people's dismay, as Ryu was ahead of Jill by 727. On the second day, Ryu dominated, but Jill got a Thirty minute comeback to make it within 27 votes, then the poll closed. An extra minute and Jill would have won, and I'm pissed at that! I had Jill!
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HaRRicH said Lara would get doubled by Samus, but I fought the truth.
Samus - 82.39, Lara - 17.61

WDF is the West Division Factor. From 2002 to 2003, for some inexplicable reason the majority of the characters who were in the West Division in 2002 to take a drastic plunge in strength, most notably Sonic.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Thank you Leonhart4 for keeping me up to date

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Was there ever a plausible reason as to why Seph overperformed?

People voted Sephiroth to try to prevent an all-Nintendo final, so said the theory. I don't buy it though, because I think there would have been a WDF last year if this was true; it was an all-Square final last year, you know...and if you try to tell me that Mega Man over-performed against Sephiroth, I'm going to lose patience very quickly.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Heh, that was poorly worded. Glad you understood what I was saying.

Is anyone going to respond to my idea? You guys are better at working with the stats and numbers than I am. All I need are some numbers to show me that it is or isn't possible.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

WDF is nothing more than telling what the extrapolated rankings say. It's not an explanation, it's more of a compensation and I never bought it. Of COURSE if Sephiroth performed the best against Link in that contest he would bring everyone else up under him, but that's not saying much since Link only had 2 legit competitors in Mario and Sephiroth. If you were to factor in Mario/Link SFF, then everyone under Mario would rise as well. There can be plenty of explanations of why people in the West dropped in 2003. Rise of the RPG, change in voter base... All can be said to be a factor.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

But upon further investigation of these claims, flaws are easily found. The most popular argument is probably the fact that Chrono Trigger recently got to the finals of the Best. Game. Ever. battle. They immediately assume that this is clear indication that Frog is a powerhouse just waiting to be seen in action. I have two words for you. Sarah. Kerrigan. Allow me to elaborate. I'm sure everyone is aware of Starcraft's surprise dominance in the Spring Contest. Unless you believe Sarah Kerrigan would be a powerful competitor in a Summer Contest atmosphere, you should know that characters and games are not interchangable.

You are unintentionally arguing against your own character here. Almost everyone knows Kerrigan would be fairly weak. The reason is that while her Game is loved, she doesn't get nearly as much of that love. Exactly the same with MC. People may have played Halo and loved the game as much as, if not more then Chrono Trigger, but they have no real reason to care about MC. You can't try to tell me Frog doesn't have exposure, because Chrono Trigger got to the finals in the Spring. What the match may very well come down to is which is a more likeable character (because both are quite well known), and I feel without a doubt Frog would win that.

Halo: Combat Evolved 49.83% 56258
Starcraft 51.17% 56631
TOTAL VOTES 112889

Metroid Prime 56.16% 41354
Half-Life 43.84% 32288
TOTAL VOTES 73642

Now I will admit there is a big difference between Half-Life's #20 in the X-Stats and Halo's #10, but the idea is the same. Half-Life does quite solid, Gordon Freeman totally bombs. Now we already know that MC is no GF, but Frog is solid. And one more thing:

26 East 3 Master Chief 26.15% 25.31% 8 5 2 2 0
27 West 3 Tommy Vercetti 25.58% 24.76% 7 4 3 2 1

Please, those among us who would put Vercetti over Frog, raise your hands.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Hear, hear, JonPen.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

But upon further investigation of these claims, flaws are easily found. The most popular argument is probably the fact that Chrono Trigger recently got to the finals of the Best. Game. Ever. battle. They immediately assume that this is clear indication that Frog is a powerhouse just waiting to be seen in action. I have two words for you. Sarah. Kerrigan. Allow me to elaborate. I'm sure everyone is aware of Starcraft's surprise dominance in the Spring Contest. Unless you believe Sarah Kerrigan would be a powerful competitor in a Summer Contest atmosphere, you should know that characters and games are not interchangable.

You are unintentionally arguing against your own character here. Almost everyone knows Kerrigan would be fairly weak. The reason is that while her Game is loved, she doesn't get nearly as much of that love. Exactly the same with MC. People may have played Halo and loved the game as much as, if not more then Chrono Trigger, but they have no real reason to care about MC. You can't try to tell me Frog doesn't have exposure, because Chrono Trigger got to the finals in the Spring. What the match may very well come down to is which is a more likeable character (because both are quite well known), and I feel without a doubt Frog would win that.

Halo: Combat Evolved 49.83% 56258
Starcraft 51.17% 56631
TOTAL VOTES 112889

Metroid Prime 56.16% 41354
Half-Life 43.84% 32288
TOTAL VOTES 73642

Now I will admit there is a big difference between Half-Life's #20 in the X-Stats and Halo's #10, but the idea is the same. Half-Life does quite solid, Gordon Freeman totally bombs. Now we already know that MC is no GF, but Frog is solid. And one more thing:

26 East 3 Master Chief 26.15% 25.31% 8 5 2 2 0
27 West 3 Tommy Vercetti 25.58% 24.76% 7 4 3 2 1

Please, those among us who would put Vercetti over Frog, raise your hands.

Actually, the way I interpret the data, I was not arguing my own point at all. When I brought up Sarah Kerrigan I was going for the most dramatic way to illustrate that characters don't always equal games. However, Master Chief and Halo are both the same thing, and that is X-Box. Halo most likely DOES equal his game almost exactly, if not surpassing it. This is because of the fact that he isn't really thought of as "That Halo Guy" but as "That X-Box Guy".

As for the difference between GF and MC, GF is not recognizable. At all. He has no reason to perform up to the level of his game at all.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

No, Master Chief is the Halo guy. He's not the XBox guy.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Master Chief is extremely identifiable with X-Box. He is moreso the Halo guy but, at least when I think of Master Chief, I think X-Box.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

for the most dramatic way to illustrate that characters don't always equal games. However, Master Chief and Halo are both the same thing, and that is X-Box. Halo most likely DOES equal his game almost exactly

Master Chief 26.15%
Halo: Combat Evolved 37.24%

If MC were equal to Halo, he'd be in the Samus/Snake range.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

You have to remember my theory on X-Box hate. And also, comparing Halo to FF7 may not be the same as comparing Master Chief to Cloud.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

He represents XBox is the same manner that Mario represents Nintendo or Sonic represents Sega, but he's still the Halo guy. I bet if he didn't have a picture to go with his name, a lot of people would have no clue who he is.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

tag.
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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

However, Master Chief and Halo are both the same thing, and that is X-Box.

I think you put to much credit into this. There is more to the X-Box than Halo. Not a lot more, but there is more. I know I want to buy and X-Box for Fable, but I would never ever buy Halo.

Halo most likely DOES equal his game almost exactly, if not surpassing it.

I think you made a typo saying Halo instead of MC, because you call Halo a he, so I'm going to assume you did. I highly doubt you're right because we have no proof that an FPS character can perform better then his game. And if you think about that, it makes sense. Why would they? People like FPS's for the gameplay, not the character they don't even see while they play.

And in other news, does anyone else expect Samus to massively overperform against Sam Fisher besides me?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

That was a typo. And Master Chief really isn't your typical FPS guy...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Will Samus do better than her 2003 numbers? Yes, without question. What would her 2002 numbers project her to get against Fisher though?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heh. I applaud MasterMage and JonPen both for their respective arguments. The only point I'll argue is that Master Chief isn't this same MC that was in the contest last year.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Considering FFVII is likely stronger than Cloud, that makes the percentage difference between Halo and MC even worse. He's not equal to Halo, and it doesn't make any sense for him to be equal to his game. As JonPen said, FPS's will likely always be stronger than their characters. Gameplay > characters.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

And also, I don't think Sonic and Mario represent Sega and Nintendo the same way. In every instance, I would expect Sega and Nintendo to perform better in a contest setting than Sonic and Mario. I would think X-Box would probably be about the same as Master Chief or Halo. The reason is, up until recently, X-Box had almost NOTHING other than Halo. Nintendo and Sega have more going for them.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And Master Chief really isn't your typical FPS guy...

I suppose we shall find out soon enough.

Will Samus do better than her 2003 numbers? Yes, without question. What would her 2002 numbers project her to get against Fisher though?

I don't know, but whatever they do, I expect her to do much better then them. I mean, If freakin Gordon Freeman can overperform against Sam, why can't Samus.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Samus would be expected to get 68.94% on Fisher. He sucks.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Fodder fluctuation theory, heh. I'd wager Freeman would have a good showing against Vercetti as well, much like Max Payne did, and that Max would overperform against Sam Fisher.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Allow me to argue MM119's side for a second. While it makes sense that FPS's perform better then their main characters, at the same time Link and Mario do exceptionally well based solely off of their games. I mean, Link and Mario have no character to speak of, just some kick-ass games. Whoever said CATS was more developed then Link was pretty much right. So if Link and Mario can perform as well as their games, why can't MC?

Because he isn't recognizable? That makes the most sense to me. All I know is if I wake up and see MC beating Frog, I'll think it's because of the same reason Link and Mario do well.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Mario actually performs worse than his games. Much like Master Chief, you can love his games but still hate him.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Mario performs worse then one of his games.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Performs worse than his best game, and I would assume for the same reason that Master Chief does.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Ummm..... this is totally off topic, but why doesn't Frog get Magus to change him back when Magus joins the party? Does he LIKE being a frog? >_<

I disagree with a lot of the Master Chief argument. People are bringing way too much Halo and game arguments into it. I already gave my points, but I won't emphasize them until the match starts so I can point out exactly what I was talking about.... :P
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Probably so.

I just thought of something. Who would you expect to win a Super Mario World vs Super Mario 64 match? That would be some interesting SFF to watch.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Tidus doesn't explain Samus equaling Sephiroth and Sonic equaling Samus and Mega Man equaling Sephiroth. The sole cause of the supposed WDF was Sephiroth overperforming. Even then I think the whole thing concerning "WDF" was stupid to begin with.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Super Mario World takes the second place within the fanbase.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And Master Chief is the "Halo Guy" not the "Xbox Guy", that much is obvious.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

13 32-64 7 Super Mario 64 35.08% 3 -4 2 3 -1
14 128 7 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 34.91% 6 -1 2 3 -1
15 128 9 Kingdom Hearts 34.70% 7 -2 2 3 -1
16 16 3 Super Metroid 34.61% 4 1 2 3 -1
17 128 8 Soul Calibur 34.28% 8 0 1 2 -1
18 16 4 Super Mario World 34.24% 5 1 3 2 1

The SFF adjusted X-Stats beg to differ.

But then again, we all know X-Stats don't work so well with SFF matches anyway.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

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But if Sonic looks stronger than he is, then so does Samus and so does Mega Man. It inflates their numbers.

But that still wouldn't have an affect on Sephiroth's numbers since he faced Link directly.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

They are nothing more than estimates and even ranking below in them I wouldn't dare take Super Mario 64 over Super Mario World.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

As far as char to game ratio goes (main characters only):

Cloud < FFVII
Link > OoT/LttP
Crono < CT
Mario < SMB3 (questionable)
Kefka < FFVI
MC < Halo
Tidus < FFX
Vercetti < GTAVC
Sora < KH
Samus > SM/MP
Snake > MGS/2

I could go on, but I think you see a pattern. The only characters that actually perform stronger than their games are Link, Samus, and Snake. Pretty much everybody else is weaker, most by a significant amount. This was done by a direct comparison of stats, which assumes FFVII = Cloud, which is obviously false. However, most of the characters are far enough from their games for that to not matter.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Tidus didn't do a thing to inflate their numbers, Sephiroth performing at that level made Mega Man, Samus, and Sonic shoot up from being basically equal to him.

Like I said, the entire thing is stupid and is something I don't take deep consideration in.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If Frog isn't up AT LEAST 1000 votes when I wake up tomorrow, this match is over. I think MC is gonna rape Frog in the day, and by rape, I am talking a good 1500+ votes (and that is only if Frog actually wins the morning; if MC wins the first few hours this'll be a blowout).
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

Either way, I'd expect the majority of the bracket makers to pick Super Mario 64.

Myself, I'd go with Super Mario World as well.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I really think that MC may perform better than his game. Unfortunately, there is no surefire way to prove one way or the other. But under my theory, last years stats don't speak for MC's true potential.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I think MC is gonna rape Frog in the day, and by rape, I am talking a good 1500+ votes

Donkey Kong, the more mainstream character, didn't touch Vivi during the day. There's no way I see the day vote massively favoring MC.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

So you see it going to a frog?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I'm not calling it one way or the other, but make no mistake it is not massively favoring Master Chief.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

HM, MC is gonna rape him. Halo raped Starcraft. Ryu raped Jill. Sonic characters ain't got **** on the X-Box day vote. I mean, if Frog runs away with this match so be it, but he will not win the day vote.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

But under my theory, last years stats don't speak for MC's true potential.

Under your theory, which I imagine leaves Crash unchanged, MC gets 28.84% on Cloud. 10% short of Halo on FFVII, and if you think Crash went up, you're insane.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Chrono Trigger characters almost never win the day vote, but that's because they're among the most dominant at night. If Frog doesn't have a big lead going into the day, Master Chief could whittle it down and make it interesting.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And if you think Halo would get almost 40% on FFVII you're insane.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

HM, MC is gonna rape him. Halo raped Starcraft. Ryu raped Jill. Sonic characters ain't got **** on the X-Box day vote. I mean, if Frog runs away with this match so be it, but he will not win the day vote.

You have no idea what the term "rape" means in this situation if you believe Ryu actually did that to their opponents. Ryu didn't get close to getting a massive favoring in his match. I don't care what in the world you say, the day vote will not massively favor Master Chief.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And if you think Halo would get almost 40% on FFVII you're insane.

I agree wholeheartedly. I think both would get, at best 34%
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And if you think Halo would get almost 40% on FFVII you're insane.

So we have a Div128 Factor that's analogous to the WDF now?
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

So we have a Div128 Factor that's analogous to the WDF now?

No, we have the fact that extrapolateds are not always right.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

The fact that Ryu only won about an 8 hour portion of a 24 hour match, yet still won the match, makes me call it rape. And I am telling you MC will obliterate Frog during those 8 hours. Without a graph I do not know when they are, but they'll be the same ones Halo and Ryu used to just pummel their opponents.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

Off by 6%, huh? That's pretty high.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Of course, I look at Halo and MC differently than you. Halo getting 38% on FF7 would make Aeris equal to FF7. See why that doesn't equate?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ryu didn't manage to ever get a lead above 700 in that match and Jill never managed to get over 900. There's nothing that says that's "rape". And I cannot wait until you see just how "great" the day vote will favor MC.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Halo getting 38% on FF7 would make Aeris equal to FF7. See why that doesn't equate?

How do you figure?
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Listen, all I'm going to say is that it's hard to be 100% confident in Frog's victory. We're basically banking on the fact that Liquid is stronger than Chief. If it turns out tomorrow that he isn't, then that's 2 points down the drain and alot of dissappointed CT fans.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tommy vs Zero - Bracket: Zero - Vote: Zero (40/42)

I have said since day one after the contest ended Division 128 will be good for nothing. All of the matches were too close. Are you going to tell me that FFVII would put up, within 5%, the identical score against Halo, Starcraft, Wind Waker, Kingdom Hearts, Soul Calibur, SSB:M, Vice City, FFX and MGS2? Not a chance in hell those games are actually that close. No way, no how. I don't know why the division was that close. But you throw them up against CT or OoT or FFVII and then you'll see some seperation. No, I have no proof, but I strongly feel something caused such chaos in that division, and it was not the pure strength of each game.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

all I'm going to say is that it's hard to be 100% confident in Frog's victory.

Its really not that hard to be.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Master Chief got about the same on Aeris. I think Halo and MC are at least equal. Therefore, I think that both MC and Halo would get a nice bit lower than what the XS say.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

That's assuming MC=Halo, something I think is absurd.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

That's merely a difference in opinion right now since there is no hard proof.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Master Chief equaling Halo is crazy. No way could I see that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Other than the incredible distance between them in their respective XS.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I meant hard for me Mr. "Mega Man will take it all and I am completely confident in that even though I am risking it all on some boost that he probably won't even benefit much from."
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tommy vs Zero - Bracket: Zero - Vote: Zero (40/42)

HM don't get me wrong: every fiber of my being wants Frog to win. He is my favorite character from the game, and his theme song is the best 30 seconds of my life. But I cannot, of sound mind and body, think he'll do anything but get cooked during the day against MC. I really hope he wins, but right now, I am conceding those two points, and any chance I have of ever seeing the top 50.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

I meant hard for me Mr. "Mega Man will take it all and I am completely confident in that even though I am risking it all on some boost that he probably won't even benefit much from."

Yes because yesterday he looked like he had barely benefited from it at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's not in my interest to change your mind when the match is only a few hours ahead. I also don't mean to tell you that Master Chief won't get the day vote, but it's just asinine, if you ask me, to believe it'll be massively favoring Master Chief and even moreso to believe that he's got this match won when nothing has pointed to him doing so.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Other than the incredible distance between them in their respective XS.

As I said, the XS aren't always accurate and this is one of those cases.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, he never had a direct match with Tidus before. I figured if the 2 ever met, Mega would easily break 60% on him, no matter what the stats said.

Which is EXACTLY why I am waiting for Mega's match with Snake too see exactly how much this "boost" has benefited him.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tommy vs Zero - Bracket: Zero - Vote: Zero (40/42)

Despite what you believed, you can't say it only looks like it might have barely benefited Mega Man. Obviously stats have already disagreed greatly with that, and even by your prediction he's already done 2.XX% better. Not exactly a "barely" situation there.

I agree that Snake will be a better way to judge.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

As I said, the XS aren't always accurate and this is one of those cases.

The only time I can recall them being off 10% or so relative to Link was Cloud and DK (because of SFF) in 2003 and Samus this year.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

With everything said, I'm off for tonight. I look forward to awakening to seeing Frog's victory. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Don't forget Ganondorf... and Magus... and Bowser... and soon to be Zero. God I love the HVF.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

Question: Does Zero have any reason to improve from last year?

Assuming not, we can take his 2003 level and use it to determine what Megaman wold be expected to get on him without SFF this year, thus giving us another example of how much better Megaman has become without the SFF element that will be prevalent in the match.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Same here HM...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Tommy vs Zero - Bracket: Zero - Vote: Zero (40/42)

Then you may not wanna wake up ^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

HM, do you have access to the sales numbers for Halo separated by region?

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Mastermage... aren't you gonna just kick yourself if Master Chief wins tomorrow for taking Ryu over Sonic?
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

Question: Does Zero have any reason to improve from last year?

No, he doesn't, and since he's doing just about what's expected in today's match it doesn't look like he did. However, this means Max went up, something which I find odd. I guess he did have a new game, though.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Mastermage... aren't you gonna just kick yourself if Master Chief wins tomorrow for taking Ryu over Sonic?

I'll wait to see the result of Ryu vs. Sonic first....


Hey if HM can hope for a Megaman win I can hope Ryu pulls off that win.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

13 32-64 7 Super Mario 64 35.08% 3 -4 2 3 -1
14 128 7 Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 34.91% 6 -1 2 3 -1
15 128 9 Kingdom Hearts 34.70% 7 -2 2 3 -1
16 16 3 Super Metroid 34.61% 4 1 2 3 -1
17 128 8 Soul Calibur 34.28% 8 0 1 2 -1
18 16 4 Super Mario World 34.24% 5 1 3 2 1

The SFF adjusted X-Stats beg to differ.

But then again, we all know X-Stats don't work so well with SFF matches anyway.

I don't see how you can have SFF-adjusted stats from ONE contest, and the only two matches SM64 has been in had him detroying NiGHTS and getting crushed in an SFF-ridden match by LoZ:OoT. I don't see how they can possibly adjust the SFF off of either performance.

I'd pick SMW, but that really would be a good match to see.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Go Frog!
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Sc2k4: 37 of 40
Next Match: Zero vs. Tommy Vercetti

No, he doesn't, and since he's doing just about what's expected in today's match it doesn't look like he did.

Ok cool.

However, this means Max went up, something which I find odd. I guess he did have a new game, though.

This may just fall under fluctuations of fodder, but who knows. Maybe Max did go up. Like you said, he did have a new game, so it's not out of the question.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I don't see how you can have SFF-adjusted stats from ONE contest, and the only two matches SM64 has been in had him detroying NiGHTS and getting crushed in an SFF-ridden match by LoZ:OoT. I don't see how they can possibly adjust the SFF off of either performance.

I was actually quite shocked when I saw that SM64 was above SMW in the SFF adjusted stats. That's why I asked the question.

I'd pick SMW, but that really would be a good match to see.

I 100% agree. Or perhaps Luigi vs Yoshi part 2. Who knows.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Even if it was another Yoshi/Luigi, I'm still intrigued just to see who'd win it.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

As am I.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Eh, Max Payne overperformed a bit too much to contribute it all to a new game, methinks. Plus, Gordon Freeman overperformed by a whole lot with his opponent having a new game.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, Zero's within .2% of the predicted percentage, so either Max went up, or Zero and Tommy fell proportionately.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I think Tommy and Max have somewhat similar fanbases, and that helped Max out some because his name is still tossed around, as opposed to Tommy's. They're also both from Rockstar, so that assists the theory...but I won't say SFF; I'm just blaming it on Max Payne having a new game and more games. However, there's no denying that Tommy is more popular and comes a better and more popular game than any game in the Max Payne series.

I should know; I won my only Prophet challenge on that match. =)
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

For those who doubt we have enough to make another worthwhile SpC I have a list of games that would either hit off well with the harcore audiences or the casuals, and all of them could easily find a place in a new contest... and this is far from all the games the could make it... we could have a bracket full of games that weren't in last year. Slightly less exciting, I'm sure, but not by much.

Super Mario Bros
Punch Out!!
TMNT 2
Ninja Gaiden
Master Blaster
Space Invaders
Battletoads
Castlevania

Yoshi's Island
Lufia 2
Lunar
Donkey Kong Country
Sonic 3
Earthworm Jim
Final Fantasy 2
Mario Kart

Banjo Kazooie
Crono Cross
Final Fantasy 8
Twisted Metal 2
THPS2
Bushido Blade 2
Virtua Fighter 2
Metal Slug 3

Grandia 2
Seaman
Soul Calibur 2
Viewtiful Joe
Ninja Gaiden
Devil May Cry
Pikmin
Disgaea
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Add Mega Man 2, Tecmo Super Bowl, and Mario Sunshine to the list and that'll be good.

Use Mega Man 2 to replace Adventure (and use the low seeding as proof that the Mega Man fanbase was split between games to nominate), and we would have had a bracket-busting first-round match with MM2 and LoZ. I think TSB could have put up a good fight with Contra instead of Phantasy Star, too. Finally, yes, I said Mario Sunshine; sorry Fire Emblem fans, but it would have made for a lot more interesting division just by SMS replacing FE.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

"Add Mega Man 2, Tecmo Super Bowl, and Mario Sunshine to the list and that'll be good."

Actually, I had ALL of those on the list, but I wanted to go for some of the less obvious choices. I took out the first two for Battletoads and Castlevania and I took out the last for Pikmin.

Yes, we CAN make a whole new bracket for the spring contest featuring no repeats and a hell of a lot of fun.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Heh, I was pretty proud of ya for addin' BattleToads and Punchout...missin' a lil' Bionic Commando, but we'll live.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

"missin' a lil' Bionic Commando,"

Yeha, I did forget that one entirely. My bad.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

So I'll say it again, for anyone who doubts me, we have enough decent competitors left to have a whole new lineup for the SpC.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Oh, and next year, we should probably beware of the trouble that could be Diablo 2, if Starcraft was a sign of anything.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I nominated Diablo 2 last year, I will not do so this year. I don't dare think about the horrors we could be unleashing if we do.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I don't like Diablo 2. It gets so boring after a month...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I've gotten hundreds of hours out of Diablo 2, but it does eventually stop being cool. Really... the people who play it now are almost all powergamers who have dupes they made or traded for or got everything with bots etc. It gets to a point where you either stop playing because it's boring or you stop playing by the rules normal players follow because it's boring. Nevertheless, Diablo 2 addicts are much like SC addicts... die hards.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

SC just has a much larger fanbase. And it will probably last until SC2 comes out.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I think Zero Wing should be in the next SpC
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BtT: 3:56.72 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Larger, sure, but no more dedicated. I woul dbe willing to bet that Diablo 2 could almost do as much as SC.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Agreed, Janus.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

It would probably do not much worse.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I'd imagine that CJay would despise having both of them in there just from the Starcraft trouble...if they both made it in, I could see CJay placing them as 8-9 seeds to face off in the first round, then have a game like LoZ:OoT ready to take 'em down in the next round.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

If SC is any less than a 2 seed next time, there will be many pissed off people. 3 may be acceptable.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

cool, thanks chichiri for refreshing the spring contest, maybe that's what he should do, just all new games to make it more exciting
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There shouldn't be a problem with getting a whole new grouping of games for the SpC, but we all know that Ceej isn't going to scrap all 64 entries from this year for next year.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

I think #3 would be just fine for it, but I can still see CJay pulling that 8-9 stunt to get one evil out right at the first round.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Ceej apparently doesn't believe in seeding by strength. Look at this year's bracket, it's terrible. 3 seeds are the most screwed up

Should be a 3/Actual Seed
Magus 6
Sonic 1
Tidus 8
Ganondorf 8

I could easily see Starcraft returning as a low seed, probably an 8, so it can win it's first round match and then bow out to a powerhouse 1 seed in the next round.
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Current Pick: Zero; Current Vote: Zero; Points: 39/42
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

I could easily see Starcraft returning as a low seed, probably an 8, so it can win it's first round match and then bow out to a powerhouse 1 seed in the next round.

You mean like Halo?
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

I'd rather not see the seeding be right; many people could have had an increased first-round score if they would have picked the higher seed in every match (which would have been 27/32, I think) instead of thinking. I don't like that, personally.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I think a SMB3/Starcraft match would make for some pretty hellacious controversy, myself. Imagine...

1-SMB3
16-Zero Wing (heh)

8-Diablo 2
9-Starcraft





...tell me that wouldn't make for some trouble.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

I think I'd take Starcraft out of that four pack.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Here's the first half of an all-new SpC bracket.

1. Super Mario Bros
16. Centipede

8. Castlevania
9. Ninja Gaiden

5. Punch Out!!
12. Tecmo Super Bowl

4. Adventures of Link
13. Bionic Comando

6. Kid Icarus
11. Excitebike

3. TMNT 2
14. Battletoads

7. Space Invaders
10. Master Blaster

2. Mega Man 2
15. Gauntlet

1. Yoshi's Island
16. Final Fight

8. Lufia 2
9. Shinobi

5. Lunar
12. Pokemon R/B/Y

4. Final Fantasy 2
13. Mega Man X

6. Mario Kart
11. Mortal Kombat 2

3. Donkey Kong Country
14. LoZ: Link's Awakening

7. Earthworm Jim
10. Star Fox

2. Sonic 3
15. Vectorman
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I say the seeds should all be hidden, and then mixed up, flopping the halves around (such as 2/15 being on top, 16/1 being on bottom, etc.), so it would still help the highest hidden seeds get farther and match up, we just wouldn't know ahead of time who was nominated higher.

THAT would be a fun bracket.

Ex: picture the hyrule bracket like this

Conker
Crono
Luca
Magus
JC Denton
Mario
Guybrush
Bowser
Link
CATS
Alucard
Ganondorf
Pac-Man
Luigi
Ryo Hazuki
Yoshi

We have no way to tell who is what actual seed, but it still would line up in the same matches later on, putting crono vs mario, yoshi vs link, etc.

And mix up each division in a different way.

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20XX Picks: Megaman, Zero, Frog, Solid Snake

I would take SMB3 out of that fourpack in a second, and it would win with ease. Try this one:

(1) Starcraft
(16) Disgaea: Hour of Darkness
(8) Diablo 2
(9) Warcraft 3
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Starcraft over Disgaea 67/33, Warcraft 3 over Diablo 2 55/45, Starcraft over Warcraft 3 60/40.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

So here's a bracket even Ceej could love. Division by era, one per generation rule in effect. All new competitors. Lemme know what you think.

1. Super Mario Bros
16. Centipede

8. Castlevania
9. Ninja Gaiden

5. Punch Out!!
12. Tecmo Super Bowl

4. Adventures of Link
13. Bionic Comando

6. Kid Icarus
11. Excitebike

3. TMNT 2
14. Battletoads

7. Space Invaders
10. Master Blaster

2. Mega Man 2
15. Gauntlet



1. Yoshi's Island
16. Final Fight

8. Lufia 2
9. Shinobi

5. Lunar
12. Pokemon R/B/Y

4. Final Fantasy 2
13. Mega Man X

6. Mario Kart
11. Mortal Kombat 2

3. Donkey Kong Country
14. LoZ: Link's Awakening

7. Earthworm Jim
10. Star Fox

2. Sonic 3
15. Vectorman



1. Final Fantasy 8
16. Bushido Blade 2

8. Twisted Metal 2
9. Quake

5. Banjo Kazooie
12. Kirby 64

4. Tekken 3
13. Deception

3. Crono Cross
14. Mischief Makers

6. Super Smash Bros.
11. Shining Force 3 Part 1

7. THPS2
10. Wipeout

2. Warcraft 2
15. Metal Slug 3



1. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
16. Seaman

8. Soul Calibur 2
9. Fable

5. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
12. Castlevania Aria of Sorrow

4. Devil May Cry
13. Viewtiful Joe

3. GTA San Andreas
14. Get Set Radio

6. Grandia 2
11. Disgaea

7. Super Mario Sunshine
10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

2. Ninja Gaiden
15. Pikmin
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Heh, Jet Set Radio... my typo.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Man, nothing stirs you people up the hour before a new match starts... are you all meditating or praying or something?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'm sleeping. Besides, bracket-creating discussion is a hot offseason topic more than a midseason one.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Man, nothing stirs you people up the hour before a new match starts... are you all meditating or praying or something?

Personally, I spent the past five minutes drawing up a map of the Chrono Trigger cathedral that I'm going to use as a base for a Fighting Fantasy (CYOA) story.

Your bracket looks decent. I've never heard of Deception, and I was under the impression that the game's name was "Blaster Master" if you're thinking of the one with the frog and the guy named Jason, and I'm not sure which Lunar you're using (all of them had subtitles), and I'd choose quite a few games differently from you...

...but all in all, I think that's a pretty darn good bracket.
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Judgeing from initial reaction, you can boot Disgaea in favor of Phantom Brave.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

After seeing Chichiri's bracket listing, I can't help but pick through. :P I like most of the seedings.

* 1. Super Mario Bros - 80
16. Centipede - 20

* 8. Castlevania - 51
9. Ninja Gaiden - 49

* 5. Punch Out!! - 65
12. Tecmo Super Bowl - 35

4. Adventures of Link - 49
* 13. Bionic Comando - 51

* 6. Kid Icarus - 58
11. Excitebike - 42

* 3. TMNT 2 - 60
14. Battletoads - 40

7. Space Invaders - 32
* 10. Blaster Master - 68

* 2. Mega Man 2 - 79
15. Gauntlet - 21



* 1. Yoshi's Island - 58
16. Final Fight - 42

* 8. Lufia 2 - 53
9. Shinobi - 47

5. Lunar - 49.5
* 12. Pokemon R/B/Y - 50.5

* 4. Final Fantasy 2 - 60 (personal favorite game)
13. Mega Man X - 40

* 6. Mario Kart - 58
11. Mortal Kombat 2 - 42

* 3. Donkey Kong Country - 54
14. LoZ: Link's Awakening - 46

7. Earthworm Jim - 43
* 10. Star Fox - 57

* 2. Sonic 3 - 71
15. Vectorman - 29



* 1. Final Fantasy 8 - 59 (most hated game)
16. Bushido Blade 2 - 41

8. Twisted Metal 2 - 45
* 9. Quake - 55

5. Banjo Kazooie - 43
* 12. Kirby 64 - 57

* 4. Tekken 3 - 65
13. Deception - 35

* 3. Crono Cross - 64
14. Mischief Makers - 36

* 6. Super Smash Bros. - 68
11. Shining Force 3 Part 1 - 32

* 7. THPS2 - 67
10. Wipeout - 33

* 2. Warcraft 2 - 78
15. Metal Slug 3 - 22



* 1. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes - 87 (based on speculation of course)
16. Seaman - 13

* 8. Soul Calibur 2 - 65
9. Fable - 35 (again, speculation)

* 5. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 - 58 (favorite fighter)
12. Castlevania Aria of Sorrow - 42

* 4. Devil May Cry - 58
13. Viewtiful Joe - 42

* 3. GTA San Andreas - 68 (fair speculation :P)
14. Get Set Radio - 32

* 6. Grandia 2 - 59
11. Disgaea - 41

7. Super Mario Sunshine - 48
* 10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga - 52

* 2. Ninja Gaiden - 56
15. Pikmin - 44

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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

"bracket-creating discussion is a hot offseason topic more than a midseason one."

Heh, I don't expect much of an off season... though everything between friday and Sonic/Ryu will look like an offseason, no doubt.

"I've never heard of Deception,"

Your life is incomplete.

"and I was under the impression that the game's name was "Blaster Master""

Well, technically ther is a Master Blaster game from that era, but yes... I did mean Blaster Master. So easy to mix those words up.

"and I'm not sure which Lunar you're using "

The first one. SSS is its best incarnatiuon but it originates from the Sega CD nonetheless.

"and I'd choose quite a few games differently from you..."

And that's why I asked for feedback! By all means, let me know some of the games you'd remove and some you'd add.

"you can boot Disgaea in favor of Phantom Brave"

I'm thinking you're right. I gotta get that game, it sounds so sweet.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

From what I've seen, common conjecture is

Disgaea > Phantom Brave > La Pucelle.
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From what I've seen from people's opinions, that is.

I own Phantom Brave, and it's ok, but it just didn't have the same magic that Disgaea did IMO.
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You do realize that it's Blaster Master and not Master Blaster though, right? :P

If anything, I'd have liked to see The Guardian Legend make the 8-bit bracket. Something in place of Vectorman (boo on that), something aside from Mischief Makers (if only because I have no idea what that game is :P), and maybe Shenmue in place of Seaman.

All in all though, that's a nice list, Chichiri.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

4. Adventures of Link - 49
* 13. Bionic Comando - 51

A Zelda game facing a first round upset? You're a brave man.

7. Space Invaders - 32
* 10. Blaster Master - 68

I can see that upset. A 7/10 reversal is still fair, and Space invaders still deserves a lot of credit for what it has done.

5. Lunar - 49.5
* 12. Pokemon R/B/Y - 50.5

I dunno, man, Xenogears didn't lose... I think Lunar would take that one without much issue. I disagree, but apparently people think G/S/C is better, if that reflects the casual vote then Lunar has that one.

7. Earthworm Jim - 43
* 10. Star Fox - 57

I'd expect that Upset too. Again, 7/10's are fair, and EWJ needs some props for how bit is used to be, even if it's not in fighting shape anymore.

* 1. Final Fantasy 8 - 59 (most hated game)
16. Bushido Blade 2 - 41

That % seems off. I mean, Bushido Blade is that freakin' awesome, but the casuals surely don't know that.

8. Twisted Metal 2 - 45
* 9. Quake - 55

That'd be a great injustice

7. Super Mario Sunshine - 48
* 10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga - 52

An interesting pick. I'd like to see it as well.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"You do realize that it's Blaster Master and not Master Blaster though, right?"

Yeah, it's confusing with both existing in the same era... Though I do mean to have chosen Blaster Master which is an awesome game.

"Something in place of Vectorman"

It's a great game, and fair fodder, if you ask me. Though make a suggestion, because I have no doubt I overlooked somehting deserving.

something aside from Mischief Makers (if only because I have no idea what that game is :P)

Your life is also incomplete.

"and maybe Shenmue in place of Seaman."

Unless you meant Shenmue 2 that'd defeat the purpose. Shenmue did make the last SpC, after all.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Excitebike losing to Kid Icarus? Boo!
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And that's why I asked for feedback! By all means, let me know some of the games you'd remove and some you'd add.

I will. But part of this may be my own personal bias, you know. I tried to stick with the same general genre whenever possible.


8-Bit:
16. Centipede - Switch with Asteroids
9. Ninja Gaiden - Switch with Ninja Gaiden II
10. Master Blaster - Switch with Double Dragon
15. Gauntlet - Switch with Zork

16-Bit:
15. Vectorman - Switch with Dynamite Headdy

32/64-Bit:
9. Quake - Switch with Duke Nukem 3D
12. Kirby 64 - Switch with Majora's Mask
11. Shining Force 3 Part 1 - Switch with Tactics Ogre: LUCT
10. Wipeout - Switch with Gran Turismo 2

128-Bit is fine to me.

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When I put KI vs. Eb I thought it'd be one of the harder matches. I tihnk that % is a bit high, but then again, what do I know?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"A Zelda game facing a first round upset? You're a brave man."

You're putting one of the potentially weaker Zeldas over Bionic Commando. Bionic Commando is one of the best non-Mega Man things that Capcom did in the 8-bit generation. I can indulge that game quite often still. :) Not as often as Contra or Lifeforce though. :P

"I dunno, man, Xenogears didn't lose... I think Lunar would take that one without much issue. I disagree, but apparently people think G/S/C is better, if that reflects the casual vote then Lunar has that one."

See, I don't think Pokemon has been beaten into the ground enough just yet. Lunar is well-respected, and yet despite being so, still holds a sort of cult status. I could see a really close match going either way.

"* 1. Final Fantasy 8 - 59 (most hated game)
16. Bushido Blade 2 - 41

That % seems off. I mean, Bushido Blade is that freakin' awesome, but the casuals surely don't know that."

Again, this is more about me hating FF8 than about what I believe would come up. I'd like to see those numbers, just to know that it didn't pull that well. I *REALLY* dislike FF8.

"8. Twisted Metal 2 - 45
* 9. Quake - 55

That'd be a great injustice"

You're right. 60-40 with Quake on top makes much more sense in terms of reasoning. :P

As for suggestions...

8-bit: The Guardian Legend, Legacy Of The Wizard, Hudson's Adventure Island (much as I hate it), Goonies 2, Hogan's Alley

16-bit: Killer Instinct, perhaps? Never really liked it, but still. Soulblazer or Illusion Of Gaia would definitely be nice to see, or even Terranigma in a 15/16 slot for its cult status.

32-64: Arc The Lad 2 or 3 in a 16th seed, Star Ocean: The Second Story somewhere up there, Vagrant Story (if Disgaea can do it, why not VS?), and perhaps a Might & Magic game on the PC...was 8 out then? Not sure.

128+: F-Zero GX. BEST. RACING. GAME. EVER. And throw Guilty Gear XX in the mix just for more fun.

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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Vagrant Story (if Disgaea can do it, why not VS?),

I'd hold off on VS for another year, personally. I expect big things from that area soon enough after FF XII gets released.
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"But part of this may be my own personal bias, you know."

What, you think my bracket had no personal bias?

"16. Centipede - Switch with Asteroids"

I'd buy that.

"9. Ninja Gaiden - Switch with Ninja Gaiden II"

Don't really know how the two compare... though it'd be fun to confuse people with NG2 on the NES and NG (the casuals assuming it to be the first) on Xbox.

"10. Blaster Master - Switch with Double Dragon"

Fix my own error there, and while I heavily considered DD I'd take out BT first... and I have personal bias towards BattleToads.

"15. Gauntlet - Switch with Zork"

Both are legendary... but how would ceej represent Zork? A screen full of text would be awkward, should it get to that point.

"15. Vectorman - Switch with Dynamite Headdy"

Didn't play DH myself... maybe I should...?

"9. Quake - Switch with Duke Nukem 3D"

Ya know, that's not all crazy.

"12. Kirby 64 - Switch with Majora's Mask"

I forgot MM completely, to be honest. I did, however, remmeber that I didn't have a single Kirby game...

"11. Shining Force 3 Part 1 - Switch with Tactics Ogre: LUCT"

I had my eyes set on TO, but as it had technically been released for the SNES first I found it difficult to place... and I wanted more Saturn reps.

"10. Wipeout - Switch with Gran Turismo 2"

But... it's wipeout! Well, I'd take it into consideration.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Ahh, that reminds me. Considering that I'd have put Ashley in as a character nomination anyday over some of these lesser seeds in our real bracket, I'm reminded of how I wanted Adol to make the bracket too...

So Ys 3: Wanderers From Ys should definitely be somewhere in Chichiri's 16-bit bracket. :)
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

What, you think my bracket had no personal bias?

True, but I wanted to set myself up for a defense just in case. There are so many games that deserve a shot in it. Heck, we almost completely missed out on the shooter aspect. I'd love to see games like Gradius, Descent, Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?, and Grim Fandango in, but there's just not enough space in any given bracket.

And I do suggest you play DH. It's made by Treasure, so it's got to be good.
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I know we've got Mario Kart for the snes, but Mario Kart DD is really good, maybe in for super mario sunshine? there is mario and luigio for him, and I could see mario kart being stronger than sms
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"Bionic Commando is one of the best non-Mega Man things that Capcom did in the 8-bit generation."

Well, now, technically that'd be Strider, as it was out soon enought ot have an inferior NES release... But it's still a Zelda, and the casuals do amount to a lot.

"still holds a sort of cult status."

So does XG, which is why we should all be able to see it going either way.

"I'd like to see those numbers,"

I'd like to see BB2 upset!

"60-40 with Quake on top"

*barfs*

"8-bit: The Guardian Legend, Legacy Of The Wizard, Hudson's Adventure Island (much as I hate it), Goonies 2, Hogan's Alley"

Believe me, I wanted to make room for Goonies 2, I just wasn't sure that it'd rate as more than fodder... and didn't want to see that.

"16-bit: Killer Instinct, perhaps? Never really liked it, but still. Soulblazer or Illusion Of Gaia would definitely be nice to see, or even Terranigma in a 15/16 slot for its cult status."

I considered KI, but realized it held no weight compared to any fighter I did include. The others, as much as some people like them, would be weaker than any RPG of that era that I did include. Many people consider them outright bad. I don't, of course, but some people do. Hell, if I threw in an obscure RPG of my choice it'd be Ys 3.

"32-64: Arc The Lad 2 or 3 in a 16th seed, Star Ocean: The Second Story somewhere up there, Vagrant Story (if Disgaea can do it, why not VS?), and perhaps a Might & Magic game on the PC...was 8 out then? Not sure."

I considered that, then I decided Square had enough reps already. Forgot Arc the Lad... which really speaks volumes, I think. Good game, just not well spread to the masses. And M&M doesn't strike me as a contender.

"128+: F-Zero GX. BEST. RACING. GAME. EVER. And throw Guilty Gear XX in the mix just for more fun."

I considered an F-Zero as well... just couldn't seem to find room for it outside of X. That's not the most highly spoken of game in the series, so I decided to drop it as a whole. GGXX is a fine enough game but 3 fighters in one division on Gamefaqs? Sounds impossible to me.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Whoa! 31.57%. Not too surprising considering Vercetti (I mean, I was pathetic enough to suggest to my little brother that V would be the SC2K3 champ).
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"So Ys 3: Wanderers From Ys should definitely be somewhere in Chichiri's 16-bit bracket. :)"

Seems we think alike, and I'd have said as much sooner but I had so much to reply to. Awesome game, deserves more respect.

"Heck, we almost completely missed out on the shooter aspect."

I heavily considered Gradius... but the 8bit era had some of the highest competition already. It was so hard to decide on what I took.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Zero smashed a lot of brackets... still not enough for my taste. The % correctness is obviously lopsided towards the top on that one.... it did as much damage as I would have expected when I though Zero would get nearly 50% of the brackets.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Score-Brackets-% Right
42----8--------87.5000000
41----107------84.1121495
40----287------74.9128920
39----555------63.7837838
38----1039-----51.6843118
37----1675-----45.6119403
36----2461-----37.9114181
35----3011-----35.6692129
34----3698-----32.0984316
33----3710-----29.4070081
32----3564-----29.0684624
31----3066-----27.1363340
30----2654-----23.7377543
29----2056-----23.2490272
28----1556-----24.9357326
27----1078-----23.3766234
26----771------23.0869001
25----588------24.6598639
24----379------24.2744063
23----274------26.6423358
22----184------25.0000000
21----122------23.7704918
20----88-------22.7272727
19----38-------21.0526316
18----34-------26.4705882
17----24-------41.6666667
16----9--------11.1111111
15----7--------14.2857143
14----9--------0.0000000
13----0--------N/A
12----0--------N/A
11----4--------25.0000000
10----7--------14.2857143
9-----6--------0.0000000
8-----14-------35.7142857
7-----15-------6.6666667
6-----17-------5.8823529

All those with a score of 5 or less get the match wrong. It's interesting that so many of the low brackets got the match right. They were probably favorite brackets as opposed to zero brackets.

7 people fell off the top 50. martygras918, Nall256, spree4567, luburulz, Pale Dim, eblp4life and former perfect LexisTheGenius.
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"Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..."
"All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..."

I'm quite surprised by the 31% pick...I had COMPLETE confidence in Zero beating Vercetti. I figured the pick count might be 54/46 in favor of Zero...but that's just ridiculous to see.

Oh well, my Gordon joke pick aside, I've moved up another 100 spots then.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Frog is pretty good.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

"I'm quite surprised by the 31% pick..."

I'm not. I expect Tommy to fool the casuals... and as we can see the brackets that were already screwed were the only ones to really take the bait.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

mastermage119 has master chief in this one i think. so that's at least one more perfect to fall. honestly, i had vercetti in that one too but for the life of me i couldn't ever remember why i picked him. i saw that i didn't have zero a few days after the contest started and i decided i wouldn't get too upset since all my picks sucked anyways. here's to a possible 180 if i'm lucky!
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Frog has displayed his mighty battle prowess! Master Chief is naught but the most mild of opponents for him.

Oh yes, this makes me quite happy indeed :o) *plays Frog's Theme*

Frog will probably lose 2%-4% during the day, but I don't think he'll end up below 57%, and there's a good chance he'll end up above 59%. Master Chief isn't really a day vote powerhouse.

Snake would've been expected to get about 63.6% against Master Chief last year, so this performance is quite good. Especially since Master Chief may have gone up a litte bit.

Of course, I have a feeling Snake might've gone up more than Master Chief, but we'll see.

Oh, and very early on, my reaction was that Liquid Snake might be a tougher challenge than Master Chief. But that didn't last long, because people put up some legit reasons for Liquid not being that strong. Then of course after Liquid's performance I and many others hoped that Liquid being stronger than Master Chief was so--and obviously it is. Looks like Liquid probably gets 85%-99% of Solid's fanbase.

And perhaps, if the stars are aligned correctly, or Frog's fanbase rallies in earnest, Liquid Snake just might end up having a better showing than Solid does :)

Let the Frog over Snake bandwagon begin anew! Let the forces be renewed, and marshall against the forces arrayed against our hero!
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SC2K4.com/Frog

After seeing his match with Frog I had no doubt that Liquid was a tough guy to beat. Not from blind optimism, either, but from the fact that fodder vs. fodder matches are never that close.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

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Both are legendary... but how would ceej represent Zork? A screen full of text would be awkward, should it get to that point.

"It is dark. You are likely to be eaten by a Grue."

Let the forces be renewed, and marshall against the forces arrayed against our hero!

Yes! Cry havoc, and let slurp the hops of war! >_>
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Chichiri, I really like your initial bracket - it is awesome. I'm especially glad you included Kid Icarus. Here are my own suggestions:

Additions:

- Gran Turismo REALLY deserves to be in the bracket. Gran Turismo was a pretty revolutionary game, it was very popular, and extremely well done. (It should be GT and definitely NOT GT2, which is a gigantic sloppy mess).
- I would really love to see Silent Hill in the bracket. I don't know if it's popular enough, but it is one of very few games I consider to be perfectly executed.
- In the 16 bit division, it would be great to see Soul Blazer, Actraiser, or maybe Pilotwings.
- There are also a ton of great computer games that are good enough they deserve to be in a best game ever contest. Unfortunately, since this site doesn't like PC games that much they'd just be fodder and they don't belong in the bracket. But here are a few highly deserving games (that don't really have enough support to make it on this site): Civ, Star Control 2, Master of Orion 2, X-Com, Wing Commander, Homeworld, Command & Conquer, Planescape: Torment, and something from the Ultima series.

Substitutions:
- I agree with the guy that Ninja Gaiden 2 is more deserving than Ninja Gaiden.
- I would much rather see Lunar:SSSC in the contest than Lunar:TSS. Even if the original is better, way more people have played the Playstation version, so that's the one that belongs in the contest.
- Mega Man 3 is better than Mega Man 2. But I realize this is a debate that will never be resolved.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 42/44
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Frog with 51%

"Hops" of war, heh :)

And nice addition with slurp too.

Hmm...looks like Frog is declining at night slightly faster than I expected. Still, at this point against Liquid Snake Frog had about 52.4%, so I'm still expecting him to finish above 57%.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Do not trust X-Stats with regard to MC, he's a cult character, I don't care how many millions of copies he sold. There is a core group of voters who will vote MC over anyone, and then outside that you get to the casuals. This explains Felix, Aeris, Crash, and now Frog, with his fluctuation in power.

BTW, Frog has no chance against Solid. He barely, and I mean barely, beat out Liquid, and it's a rule the main character always performs better then the "cool" villain, so SS will take Frog out with realative ease, no real worries past the first couple of hours.

There is a core group of voters who will vote MC over anyone, and then outside that you get to the casuals. This explains Felix, Aeris, Crash, and now Frog, with his fluctuation in power.

Eh? There's nothing to explain with Aeris or Crash. And if you really think about it Felix being 25% stronger than Isaac makes sense. I too thought Felix's performance was anomalous, and it may have been so to a slight extent, but upon closer inspection him being so strong isn't that far-fetched really. Isaac himself is stronger than you might expect. And the difference between the two isn't that large.

And there's really no reason to believe his performance against Frog is weird.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Chichiri, nice bracket. I'd have included Elite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elite_%28computer_game%29) in the 8-bit section, but I am biased there as it rates just below Metroid Prime at #4 in my "best game ever" list. Am hating the thought of that Mario Kart - MK2 - DKC - Zelda LA four-pack. That's just plain nasty. MK2's the only game that I wouldn't pick in my top 20, but it's close.

I'd easily swap Contra 3 in for Vectorman, and in general I'd stick more arcade and PC games in. That Space Invaders - Blaster Master match has Pong-RCR Take 2 written all over it. And given (if the nomination method stays the same) it was released on Dreamcast and could pick up nominations from there, there's no reason not to include Ikaruga.
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

*tag*
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#29 on the scoreboard now, looks like I'm gonna stay up there because Frog has enough of a lead. I'm quite surprised its not closer.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 43/44
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1756

Frog's been having trouble really pulling away. From about 3:03 to 4:03, the lead went up by about 70. Since then, not much has happened....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

this match isn't quite over yet. guess who's coming back? M.C. slowed Frog's lead from 1170 to 1140 over the past 30 minutes. he's slowly picking up the American vote. i would call it the day vote, but that's not quite accurate for the X-Box, which is far more popular in America than anywhere else in the world. Frog's percentage is also dropping like a rock.

this one could still finish pretty close.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

What was the largest the lead got to before MC began chipping away at it?
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

About 1170
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down to 1120

c'mon Cheif!!

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Looking good... I hope he keeps this up all day.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I wouldn't get your hopes up. It could be another Tidus Vs. Shadow.
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Everything CT sucks during the day. MC will take this lead down, the only question really is can he make this a match? Because he will have to take a couple hundred vote lead in order to survive the late night CT-love Frog will receive.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

Well I'd rather keep hope. Something tells me Frog will drop the ball through the day. I'm worried about his night resurgence though.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Frog will probably take it during the night.
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Remember Dr T? Now he's back, in POG FORM!
Proud supporter of Viewtiful Joe!

For the hell of it and because I'm bored, here's what the 15 minute updates would look like.

01:30 | Frog | 02428 | +0277 | 58.85% | Master Chief | 01698 | +0222 | 41.15% | Lead of 0730 | (Up 55)
01:45 | Frog | 02692 | +0264 | 58.79% | Master Chief | 01887 | +0189 | 41.21% | Lead of 0805 | (Up 75)
02:00 | Frog | 02920 | +0228 | 58.65% | Master Chief | 02059 | +0172 | 41.35% | Lead of 0861 | (Up 56)
02:15 | Frog | 03091 | +0171 | 58.51% | Master Chief | 02192 | +0133 | 41.49% | Lead of 0899 | (Up 38)
02:30 | Frog | 03318 | +0227 | 58.43% | Master Chief | 02361 | +0169 | 41.57% | Lead of 0957 | (Up 58)
02:45 | Frog | 03563 | +0245 | 58.38% | Master Chief | 02540 | +0179 | 41.62% | Lead of 1023 | (Up 66)
03:00 | Frog | 03802 | +0239 | 58.34% | Master Chief | 02715 | +0175 | 41.66% | Lead of 1087 | (Up 64)
03:15 | Frog | 04078 | +0276 | 58.02% | Master Chief | 02951 | +0236 | 41.98% | Lead of 1127 | (Up 40)
03:30 | Frog | 04358 | +0280 | 57.64% | Master Chief | 03203 | +0252 | 42.36% | Lead of 1155 | (Up 28)
03:45 | Frog | 04648 | +0290 | 57.00% | Master Chief | 03506 | +0303 | 43.00% | Lead of 1142 | (Down 13)
04:00 | Frog | 04978 | +0330 | 56.52% | Master Chief | 03830 | +0324 | 43.48% | Lead of 1148 | (Up 6)
04:15 | Frog | 05328 | +0350 | 56.07% | Master Chief | 04175 | +0345 | 43.93% | Lead of 1153 | (Up 5)
04:30 | Frog | 05658 | +0330 | 55.62% | Master Chief | 04514 | +0339 | 44.38% | Lead of 1144 | (Down 9)
04:45 | Frog | 06035 | +0377 | 55.26% | Master Chief | 04887 | +0373 | 44.74% | Lead of 1148 | (Up 4)

"Updates Left: 77
Votes per update needed for Master Chief to catch up: 14.91
Frog's % last update: 50.27%
Total Votes so far: 10922"

If you use that they're pretty much going 50-50 right now.
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Lead up and over 1200.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Hm... I'll give this 8 hours (after I get home from school) and see who's winning then.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Exactly what I expected to see. Great job, Frog!

And I only need between 1 - 27 more brackets to fall and I'll finally break the top 50. Today is the day.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Wait until the "Americans get home from school vote".
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

1322 lead right now. I'm quite confident in Frog not losing to much of that lead.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

By the time you hit that "American get out of school vote", Frog may have already made it to that near insurmountable 2200 lead mark.
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I seriously doubt that. I think Frog will freeze up at 1500. Not a bad total by any means but beatable.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Wow. I just checked the stats for the last match and only 31% had Zero moving on? Looks like they still have all that confidence in Vercetti.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm not that surprised at Chief doing that. He gained a LOT of ground against Aeris during the day vote. He was getting doubled before it IIRC.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

And despite that, over 75% of everyone who had missed no more than 2 points got that match right...I guess if everything goes as planned I won't be able to hit the Top 50 until Sephiroth takes out Cloud. :P

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

And 31%? Man, didn't these Vercettites get their lesson last year?

I wonder how many people have Vercetti beating Megaman...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

7 perfects left :) 313 total brackets above me...for sure it will drop near 200 when Chief gets done losing tonight! :)

Next I expect some to fall to Dante and then to Ryu. Maybe a handful to Squall this weekend...but the rest of Round 2 is a predictable farce. In reality, the Chaos division 2nd round next week is the next great hope of us all for brackets above us to crumble...

Frog...well done my dear amphibian! Your dream upset of Snake, which will bring me Top 50 status for sure, is even more plausible now!
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 7 SC2K4: 43/46 (Go FROG!)

That upset was implausible the moment he almost lost to the lesser Snake.
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Well, with the current percentage, any hopes of Frog defeating Snake pretty much go out the window. Alas.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Frog needed near 65% to hope to top Snake. Sorry.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

*nods head and smiles as he sits in the background while Master Chief bandwagon breaks front axle*
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Chich, this is great stuff, but I have to add my two cents :)

1. Super Mario Bros
16. Centipede

8. Castlevania
9. Ninja Gaiden

5. Punch Out!!
12. Tecmo Super Bowl

4. Adventures of Link
13. Bionic Comando

6. Kid Icarus
11. Excitebike

3. TMNT 2
14. Battletoads

7. Space Invaders
10. Master Blaster

2. Mega Man 2
15. Gauntlet

This is pretty sweet. Great variety of classics here. I would do Castlevania 3, arguably the best of the old Castlevanias. Ninja Gaiden 1 belongs over 2 or 3 though so I agree with that one. Mega Man 2: Sweet.

1. Yoshi's Island
16. Final Fight

8. Lufia 2
9. Shinobi

5. Lunar
12. Pokemon R/B/Y

4. Final Fantasy 2
13. Mega Man X

6. Mario Kart
11. Mortal Kombat 2

3. Donkey Kong Country
14. LoZ: Link's Awakening

7. Earthworm Jim
10. Star Fox

2. Sonic 3
15. Vectorman

Here I would swap StarFox and Mortal Kombat 2. MK2 vs Earthy Jim would be a great match, and StarFox vs Mario Kart would be quite interesting. I just think they would be better matches if these 2 were swapped. FF2 is awesome...one of my all time favs :) Final Fight! OMG! You rock for this one. Vectorman seems obscure to me though...maybe Fatal Fury instead?

1. Final Fantasy 8
16. Bushido Blade 2

8. Twisted Metal 2
9. Quake

5. Banjo Kazooie
12. Kirby 64

4. Tekken 3
13. Deception

3. Crono Cross
14. Mischief Makers

6. Super Smash Bros.
11. Shining Force 3 Part 1

7. THPS2
10. Wipeout

2. Warcraft 2
15. Metal Slug 3

Twisted Metal 2...awesome match with Quake there. Nice choices here as well for variety. Bushido Blade 2? Swap this for Panzer Dragoon.

1. Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
16. Seaman

8. Soul Calibur 2
9. Fable

5. Marvel vs. Capcom 2
12. Castlevania Aria of Sorrow

4. Devil May Cry
13. Viewtiful Joe

3. GTA San Andreas
14. Get Set Radio

6. Grandia 2
11. Disgaea

7. Super Mario Sunshine
10. Mario and Luigi: Superstar Saga

2. Ninja Gaiden
15. Pikmin

I would fit Soul Caliber 2 in here somewhere...maybe the 10 seed? I would put La Pucelle in over Disgaea too...

Nice work Chich :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 7 SC2K4: 43/46 (Go FROG!)

If every true Chrono/RPG/Square fan looks into their hearts and sees the truth...they will vote Frog...

If they dont...then those who betray the cause and vote for Snake prove only that they are merely fair weather fanboys, who bail at the first sign of possible defeat.

To win this, you must take risks...and that was mine. Us Froggy supporters gotta believe, like all the Vercettites and Master Chiefians believed in the risks they took!
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 7 SC2K4: 43/46 (Go FROG!)

Hmm. Looks like Liquid Snake is quite a strong competitor after all.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I wish Frog could beat Snake. Heck, I wish Snake didn't even get to Frog.

In a perfect world, Frog would get smashed by Kefka... but perfect = boring, doncha think?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

That's funny... on the Halo and Halo 2 boards, there's a buttload of people supporting Frog.

Master Chief can't win on his home turf.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

I'm just glad that Frog will get smashed by snake, I dont see frog getting over 40% on snake.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

I could see Frog getting 40 on Snake.

In fact, that's exactly what my prediction for that match would be. 60-40.
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If Snake gets around 67-68% tomorrow on Knuckles there's no way frog will get 40% then, because that will mean Snake gained a like 4-5% from last year, I'm actually saying snake will beat frog 62-38.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

IF Snake gets 67-68? That's one big IF.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

I wouldnt be suprised if he did, considering knuckles didnt do that great against kefka as exspected. he was supposed to get in like the 60's.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

I'd be more willing to put the blame on Kefka. Him being cannon fodder never sounded right.

Plus, he was the bracket favorite, whereas he was the underdog against Pac-Man.

And even if Kefka stayed at last year's level, Snake would have a tough time breaking 65%. Sure, sure, he was nearing 70% at one point last year... AT 6 IN THE MORNING. If he can't get 70% before the day vote comes in, you can kiss him goodbye against Megaman.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

If Snake brings his A-game, he can double Knuckles tomorrow, but he better bring his A+-game and some extra credit if he hopes to get 68%.

I think he'll bring his A-game, personally.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Why isn't Majora's Mask in the bracket. It would at least be a four seed.

Is it just me or is Master Chief slowly starting to gain ground?

Is it just me or is Master Chief slowly starting to gain ground?

It's just you. In the last hour, Frog's lead went from 1770 to 1900. It's over.
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Current Pick: Frog; Current Vote: Frog; Points: 41/44
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Unless Master Chief pulls a miricle out of his ass (hey, there's been worse situations; Donkey Kong/Duck Hunt, 'nuff said). With that said, I think it's pretty much over too. I'd love for MC to make this exciting though.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Well, now we can place Frog in the XS, at least.

If MC didn't change from last year:
Frog gets 27.36% on Cloud, between Auron (nonSFF) and Dante.
Frog loses to Snake next round with 39.38%.

If MC went up (Crash was unchanged):
Frog gets 31.17% on Cloud, between Squall and Aeris.
Frog loses to Snake next round with 44.86%.

Personally, I think most of the variation in MC/Crash was Crash falling, so I'd stick Frog in at around 28% on Cloud.
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Current Pick: Frog; Current Vote: Frog; Points: 41/44
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

(Crash was unchanged):

Just when you think two characters have reached the bottom, you see that they have dig a hole to it.

Crash and Lara are falling, so Crash is not the same as last year.
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .42/44

Just when you think two characters have reached the bottom, you see that they have dig a hole to it.

Crash and Lara are falling, so Crash is not the same as last year.

Did you even read my post? I even said that "Personally, I think most of the variation in MC/Crash was Crash falling." I was giving an unchanged Crash as a ceiling for Frog's popularity, not because it's plausible.
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Current Pick: Frog; Current Vote: Frog; Points: 41/44
My life retain'eth it's meaning! We haveth our own will!

Frog is gaining votes but not at the same rate as the percent he carries so Master Chief will slowly gain %'s on Frog. At some point it'll stop and even out. Maybe around 52.5%?? You can't look at the percents when you want to know if someone's gaining, you have to look at the vote gap.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

I still think Master Chief will gain, so I don't feel like the stats are final yet...but regardless of if they stay the same or not, I think Master Chief likely gained a lil' more than Crash lost, but pretty close to equal.

If stats stay as they are right now, I'd give Frog about 29.5% as a rough guess at an estimate, but I still think MC will make it closer than that; I don't think Frog is strong enough to beat MC 53-47 one bit.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

"Frog is gaining votes but not at the same rate as the percent he carries so Master Chief will slowly gain %'s on Frog. At some point it'll stop and even out. Maybe around 52.5%?? You can't look at the percents when you want to know if someone's gaining, you have to look at the vote gap."

I know how percentages work. I was just nearly positive for a while that I saw Master Chief gain in a couple of updates but yes, he did drop back down again.

"There are also a ton of great computer games that are good enough they deserve to be in a best game ever contest."

Of course, and should I find room I'll probably toss in Civ2 or X-Wing vs. Tie Fighter r something. Oh, and Wing commender is a good option I never think of.

"would much rather see Lunar:SSSC in the contest than Lunar:TSS."

I just grouped it in that era based on the fact that it was first released in that era. It can be moved around, but PSX RPG slots are competitive.

"Mega Man 3 is better than Mega Man 2"

I agree, most people seem to disagree, though.

"I'd easily swap Contra 3 in for Vectorman"

Well, it's common opinion that any Contra past the first generally sucks, so I'm not too sure about its inclussion.

"That Space Invaders - Blaster Master match has Pong-RCR Take 2 written all over it."

I know. That one has so much potential to go either way.

"there's no reason not to include Ikaruga."

It wasn't hugely popular. It can be put into consideration, though.

"I would do Castlevania 3, arguably the best of the old Castlevanias."

I wasn't sure if it'd be the most recognizable, though, whihc is why I have the original.

"Vectorman seems obscure to me though...maybe Fatal Fury instead?"

Vectorman seemed to be fiarly big when it came out, enough so to get one sequel anyway... But yeah, Fatal Fury rocks, so I'd love to have that in there... Of course I have to push some bias away and Say Samurai Shodown has a more competitive edge.

"Twisted Metal 2...awesome match with Quake there."

I thought so too.

"Bushido Blade 2? Swap this for Panzer Dragoon."

PDS had its run, and I don't think the original can hope for anymore than an RPG in the same series would get. Besides, Bushido Blade 2 is friggin' awesome.

"I would fit Soul Caliber 2 in here somewhere...maybe the 10 seed?"

I was thinking about putting it as an 8 seed... >_>

"I would put La Pucelle in over Disgaea too..."

I don't think La Pucelle could beat Disgaea.

"Why isn't Majora's Mask in the bracket"

I forgot about it, actually. Just plain forgot.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'm glad to see Frog's got this one locked up already because I like him better, but that shoots down any possibility for a good match in the 2nd round, except for a slight chance with Sora-Hayabusa.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

If by good match you mean close, then maybe. But I think this is a perfectly fine match...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yeah, I meant a close match, where the winner isn't decided in the first 15 minutes. Haven't had one of those in a while.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And my bracket is thankful for that fact. Oh well, time to head to work.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Guess I didn't need to go to work just yet. So, anything to talk about?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Chich...next spring would rock for sure if your bracket was used. Best Game contest bracket I have seen yet...

In other news...I look forward to the stats tomorrow :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 7 SC2K4: 43/46 (Go FROG!)

It's assumed Master Chief has gained since last year, though it's arguable how much he's gained. I'm gonna ask what was once almost in don't-even-ask territory not long ago (I was arguin' with somebody about this yesterday, as a matter of fact):

Frog VS Aeris, who would win?
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Forgot to add, I still easily say Aeris; I think it'd be about 58-42, myself.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

I hate you, Frog.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 42/44, Next Winner: Frog

Frog vs. Aeris? *pukes* That's like making me choose between stabbing myself in the face and watching Barney.

Aeris with 54%
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 42/44, Next Winner: Frog

"Chich...next spring would rock for sure if your bracket was used. Best Game contest bracket I have seen yet..."

*nods* Indeed.

"Frog VS Aeris, who would win?"

I have yet to decide on one of the other.

"I hate you, Frog."

Heh, at least you got the points, right?

And I have a link, mostly for HM. You're all welcome to check it out though.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/02/news_6106469.html

I'm tellin' ya, Terry really does look better for 2k5...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Any guesses as to the prediction percentage we're going to see for this match, now that it seems unlikely as hell that MC can come back?

I'm thinking somewhere in the range of 30-33 percent...While only 44 percent or so had frog making it out of round one, i think most of the people who picked frog over liquid likely would have picked frog over MC as well, since the whole OMG MC IS TEH FROGKILLER!!1! thing didnt really start until after their first round matches.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

I think it'll be close to 25%, much like how Magus was under-estimated by bracket-makers to get to the Sweet Sixteen.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Heh, at least you got the points, right?

I would have preferred to see Frog go down, especially since I'm in the land of Canasia, where I can't win this contest and NOTHING TECHNOLOGY RELATED EVER ARRIVES ON TIME, CURSE YOU CANADA, AAAAH!

*deep breath*
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 42/44, Next Winner: Frog

It would be a travesty if Aeris beat Frog...
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 42/44 (Yoshi) Pick: Frog

Meanwhile, I would be overjoyed if Aeris beat Frog.
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I am teh suxx0rz. PWN'D by a n00b.
~courtesy of mr wednesday

Aeris doesn't deserve to beat Tanner, and she shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the great *takes new breath* Frog.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 42/44 (Yoshi) Pick: Frog

Frog's losing % fast. But his lead remains.

What do you think of this game bracket?

North Division

(1) Final Fantasy VII
(16) Contra III: The Alien Wars

(8) Guilty Gear XX
(9) Soul Calibur 2

(5) Sonic 3 & Knuckles
(12) Disgaea: Hour of Darkness

(4) Metroid Prime
(13) Max Payne

(6) Super Metroid
(11) Gunstar Heroes

(3) Halo
(14) Fire Emblem

(7) Super Mario 64
(10) Doom

(2) Super Mario Bros 3
(15) Gunstar Heroes

East Division

(1) Starcraft
(16) Pong

(8) Tetris
(9) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

(5) Metal Gear Solid
(12) Duck Hunt

(4) Goldeneye
(13) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(6) Chrono Cross
(11) Phantasy Star IV

(3) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
(14) Suikoden II

(7) Shining Force 2
(10) Skies of Arcadia

(2) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
(15) Secret of Mana

South Division

(1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
(16) Ninja Gaiden 2

(8) Final Fantasy
(9) Ninja Gaiden (Xbox)

(5) Final Fantasy Tactics
(12) Mario Kart 64

(4) Mega Man X
(13) Dance Dance Revolution

(6) Sonic the Hedgehog 2
(11) Paper Mario

(3) Final Fantasy X
(14) ICO

(7) Contra
(10) Shenmue

(2) Final Fantasy VI
(15) Resident Evil 2

West Division

(1) Chrono Trigger
(16) Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!!

(8) Final Fantasy IV
(9) Pokemon G/S/C

(5) Half-Life/Counter-Strike
(12) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

(4) Kingdom Hearts
(13) Perfect Dark

(6) Donkey Kong Country 2
(11) Super Mario RPG

(3) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
(14) Dragon Warrior 3

(7) Mega Man 2
(10) Earthbound

(2) Super Smash Bros: Melee
(15) Lunar: Silver Star Story
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*sigh* I'm feeling compelled to make a bracket now.

I'll be back.
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I still cant believe the people who still think frog has a chance against solid snake.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

I can't believe you still think that Snake could beat Mega Man.
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I never said Snake was gonna beat Megaman this year, Fool.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

Okay, looking down the road a ways; what, according to the X-stats, is Auron expected to get vs Sephy?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

i think most of the people who picked frog over liquid likely would have picked frog over MC as well, since the whole OMG MC IS TEH FROGKILLER!!1! thing didnt really start until after their first round matches.

That's what I'm beginning to believe to. MC wasn't exactly high on many bracket-maker's lists to go far, and it wasn't until he annihilated Crash Bandicoot and Frog's slim victory over Liquid that this match became more anticipated.
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Contest Stats: 40/44 Next Pick: Frog
Today's subliminal thought is:

How I'd predict it:
Round 1
North Division
(1) Final Fantasy VII
(9) Soul Calibur 2
(5) Sonic 3 & Knuckles
(4) Metroid Prime
(6) Super Metroid
(3) Halo
(7) Super Mario 64
(2) Super Mario Bros 3
East Division
(1) Starcraft
(9) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
(5) Metal Gear Solid
(4) Goldeneye
(6) Chrono Cross
(3) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
(7) Shining Force 2
(2) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
South Division
(1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
(8) Final Fantasy
(5) Final Fantasy Tactics
(4) Mega Man X
(6) Sonic the Hedgehog 2
(3) Final Fantasy X
(7) Contra
(2) Final Fantasy VI
West Division
(1) Chrono Trigger
(8) Final Fantasy IV
(5) Half-Life/Counter-Strike
(4) Kingdom Hearts
(11) Super Mario RPG
(3) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
(7) Mega Man 2
(2) Super Smash Bros: Melee
Round 2
North Division
(1) Final Fantasy VII
(4) Metroid Prime
(6) Super Metroid
(2) Super Mario Bros 3
East Division
(1) Starcraft
(5) Metal Gear Solid
(6) Chrono Cross
(2) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
South Division
(1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
(5) Final Fantasy Tactics
(3) Final Fantasy X
(2) Final Fantasy VI
West Division
(1) Chrono Trigger
(4) Kingdom Hearts
(3) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
(2) Super Smash Bros: Melee
Round 3
North Division
(1) Final Fantasy VII
(2) Super Mario Bros 3
East Division
(5) Metal Gear Solid
(2) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
South Division
(1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
(3) Final Fantasy X
West Division
(1) Chrono Trigger
(2) Super Smash Bros: Melee

Final four: FF7 over LttP, OoT over Chrono Trigger. FF7 wins. That's not what I'd vote for or would want to happen. The day I vote for a Final Fantasy game over Contra would be a cold day in hell. Some interesting matches there though.
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Moltar's First Thoughts on: Frog vs. Master Chief

Usual routine this morning. Checked the polls to see Frog nice and safe at 55%. Now I just get home and see him under 52.5%

I'm not too worried. I did expect Frog to take the day vote and MC to the night. Guess it might be the other way around. I'm still confident Frog will end this match on top, but I hope Chief can make this closer...
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Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

It seems to me that perhaps MC is either gaining votes slowly or that he has stood still. Two hours ago I thought Frog would be at least 3K ahead by now, but instead it's rigtht around 2K. Maybe I'm just thinking wrong...
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Lead almost below 2000 now.

Frog will still win.
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But MasterMage, that's 3% BETTER than the chief!!!! FISSION MAILED XDXD!!!

Excuse my ignorance, but where did "Fission Mailed" come from? Is it just some random phrase GameFAQers started using one day, or is it a quote from somewhere?</cluelessness>
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

20XX Division: Round 2 - Match 40 – (7)Knuckles vs. (2)Solid Snake

Moltar’s Analysis

Knuckles - The hunted….

Round 1 – vs. Kefka (Knuckles: 57.56% - Kefka: 42.54%)

Kefka might have come back looking better this year, but Knuckles still knocked him out.

Solid Snake - The hunter….

Round 1 – vs. Tanner (Snake: 94.30% - Tanner: 5.70%)

THE blowout match of Round 1. Snake annihilates Tanner, almost getting 95% of the vote.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=979
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1349

Need I say more?

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Snake will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Knuckles 35% - Snake 65%



Ulti's Analysis

HEH. I love this. Three summer contests, three beatings of Knuckles by Solid Snake. The best thing is that we get to see certain fluctuations, and who knows, Knuckles might finally turn around and give Snake a run for his money in one of these things... *snicker*

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Snake/Snake with 58.22%



Cena’s Analysis

You know, you'd think Ceej would learn after the past two years not to screw Knuckles over. He gave him a tough last year against Yuna, then against Kefka this year. And for the third time, he gets pitted against Snake in round two. Hey, do you smell that? Smells like "fair". LAMEJOKE'D!. So yeah, Knuckles fans think third time's a charm, but after Twin Snakes coming out, and the newest Metal Gear Solid game coming out soon, the bad ass echidna has no chance to survive....make yo....*gets smacked*. Knucks deserves so much better than this, and I'm hoping that next year he gets to face somebody where he can get into round 3, like Tommy Vercetti, Vivi or Luigi. The new games this year and next should boost Snake's popularity more than it is, but with Tails and Sonic doing so well, we might see a Knuckles boost too. Only time will tell. Let's just hope it's not going to be ownage for the third time in a row.

Cena’s Vote: Knuckles

Cena’s Prediction: Snake with 63% (I'm guessing it'll be high, but you never know)
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Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

Actually, he's lost 300 votes in the last hour. At this rate, MC would catch up by midnight EST. Frog needs to slow him drastically if this isn't going to be one of the biggest comebacks ever, if not the biggest.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

"Fisson Mailed" is from MGS2.
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Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

I am going to agree with Cena's analysis on this one.. Snake will probably get around 61-63%..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

wow frog's lead is decreasing pretty fast. Better hope Frog gets night vote.
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And yes I know my username is lame.

Yeah...Frog just lost 100 votes or so in a matter of fifteen minutes. Frog *HAS* to have the night vote in order to survive at this rate.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

I guess I'll ask again, since my question was ignored:

What is Auron expected to get against Sephy, according to the X-stats?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Biggest Comeback ever in history??? Nah...

*hopes not*

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I stand corrected. 100 votes in 12 minutes. That's 500 votes an hour, or four hours until Frog loses touch with victory if he doesn't start a huge slowdown.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Shdwdde, rematches and SSF = lame. There's a bit of nasty overseeding in there too, and Gunstar Heroes really doesn't deserve to get in twice, plus Super Metroid and Super Mario 64 deserve much better seeds. You also left out Mario World and Mario 1, although there may be other errors I didn't notice. The only good thing I noticed was the match between MGS and Goldeneye. That'd be quite interesting, IMO.

48% now. Of course, percentage isn't important. I wonder if I've shaded MC in red in my spreadsheet too early. Still, a 2400 total vote comeback is unlikely, even if he's a quarter of the way there.
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

And now he just caught up another 100 votes in 7 minutes. This is silly.

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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Frog has nothing to fear here...the night vote will tip in his favor in like 4 or 5 hrs.

MC is so done for...
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Perfects to Fall: 7 SC2K4: 43/46 (Go FROG!)

Get ready to bust out the 15 minute updater =/...

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You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Everyone is just getting excited because of MC's slow comeback so they're calling up their friends to vote. This will have a high vote total it seems though, unless I suck at math which I do...But this will certainly get interesting later on. The type of thing to ignore until tonight then watch it until it finishes just like the hardcore Gfaqs losers we all are. What? At least I'm grown up enough to admit it. Now where's my juice box...
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Night vote in his favor, eh? Promises, promises. I hope I come back after work to find Frog as the victor. But this is getting silly. 100 votes in 7 minutes equates to MC passing Frog 6:40 EST.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Shdwdde, rematches and SSF = lame.

Point this out specifically pls.

There's a bit of nasty overseeding in there too,

Show me.

and Gunstar Heroes really doesn't deserve to get in twice,

Gunstar Heroes totally pwns most of the games in there anyway.

plus Super Metroid and Super Mario 64 deserve much better seeds.

How? They did nothing to show this.

You also left out Mario World

Oops. =X!!

and Mario 1,

I don't give a **** about Mario 1. It's only liekd for nostalgia.

although there may be other errors I didn't notice.

Probably true.

The only good thing I noticed was the match between MGS and Goldeneye. That'd be quite interesting, IMO.

=X
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I came home to see exactly what I expected. Keep it up Chief.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Just a comeback from Chief at the moment, but there certainly has been no "raping" of the day vote by him and nothing that has endangered Frog. I'm very confident in the winner of the match being the amphibian, especially after the showing all day.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Out of curiosity, where does Frog stand on your character list, HM?
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Top 10.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Frog is probably he most liked character at the moment <_< If you get what i mean.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

Didn't he JUST gain something like 100 votes in 7 minutes? That's what some people said. Besides, in a half an hour and then an hour and a half are probably the biggest east coast coming home times. Half an hour for people in clubs and an hour and a half for people who play sports.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Frog doesn't stand much of a chance at passing Mega Man, Mario, Cloud, Link, Zero, and Protoman on my list.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We're in after-school time now, so I did expect some sort of small surge for MC. Nothing to be too worried about though.
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Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

Looking at the updater:

12:36:48 - lead is 2170
13:36:37 - lead is 1689

481 votes gained in one hour. Not a bad spurt.
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

I would say this might be beyond a small surge at the moment.
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I'm worried either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Shdwdde.. This is how I think of your bracket..

Paper Mario should not be in.. Mario World is a definite..
Final Fantasy VIII should replace FFIV but with a higher seed.. Mike Tyson's Punch Out should be replace with Tales of Symphonia(not sure of seeding).. Max Payne shouldn't even be in the contest.. =)

But overall, nice bracket you have there. If this was the real spring contest bracket than FFVII will win but since this is your bracket for the board to vote, I say SSBM will win this..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Just a comeback from Chief at the moment, but there certainly has been no "raping" of the day vote by him and nothing that has endangered Frog. I'm very confident in the winner of the match being the amphibian, especially after the showing all day

I don't know.. At this rate, Master Chief might even win this one with a rather convincing one.. I wonder if Frog can hold up on the night vote..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I don't know.. At this rate, Master Chief might even win this one with a rather convincing one.. I wonder if Frog can hold up on the night vote..

Hah! Win convincingly? There's nothing either of them could really do to win convincingly unless this spurt by Master Chief stops around 1,000. However, there's not much question as to whether or not Frog will gain the night vote. Chrono Trigger, Crono, Magus, and Frog have all shown to do the best at night.

The fact that Frog held off Master Chief from anything up until this point only means good things for him.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Where's Slowflake?

Frog's only hope is for him to call the match in favor of Master Chief.
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Rematch: Goldeneye v CSotN, that looks like the only one.

SFF: Mario 64 and possibly Super Metroid v SMB3, FFX v FFVI, CT v FFIV, maybe KH v CT.

Overseeding: GGXX, Disgaea, Fire Emblem, Starcraft, Duck Hunt (maybe), GE and MGS should be switched, Tetris, Skies of Arcadia, Shining Force 2, Sonic 2, Contra, Shenmue, Vice City < Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon GSC, Earthbound.

Also: SMRPG is way underseeded, as is KotOR. MGS2 is stronger than MGS, yet you snubbed it. FFVIII should be in there, it's undoubtedly stronger than FFIV and FF. You put in Pokemon but not Xenogears. I'm sure there are other problems, but those are the most glaring ones.

And Mario 1 is the best NES SMB.

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Tell me what ya think guys; not the best in the world, but I think it'd be good...

1-Final Fantasy 7 vs 16-Conker's Bad Fur Day
8-Sonic 2 vs 9-Castlevania: SotN
5-Perfect Dark vs 12-Earthbound
4-Devil May Cry vs 13-Pac-Man
6-Super Metroid vs 11-Final Fantasy
3-LoZ:WW vs 14-Secret of Mana
7-Goldeneye vs 10-Half-Life
2-Halo vs 15-Resident Evil

1-Chrono Trigger vs 16-Donkey Kong
8-Mortal Kombat 2 vs 9-Doom
5-Metroid Prime vs 12-Secret of Mana
4-Super Mario 64 vs 13-Earthworm Jim
6-Super Mario RPG vs 11-Disgaea
3-Final Fantasy 10 vs 14-Fatal Fury
7-Tetris vs 10-Metroid
2-LoZ:OoT vs 15-Shenmue

1-Final Fantasy 3/6 vs 16-Duck Hunt
8-Twisted Metal 2 vs 9-Quake ("borrowed" this one from Chich, I think; it's good)
5-Soul Calibur 2 vs 12-Pong
4-Metal Gear Solid vs 13-WWF No Mercy
6-Star Wars:KotOR vs 11-Punch-out!!
3-Metal Gear Solid 2 vs 14-Skies of Arcadia
7-Street Fighter 2 vs 10-Mega Man 2
2-SSBM vs 15-Fire Emblem

1-Super Mario Bros. 3 vs 16-Zero Wing
8-Diablo 2 vs 9-Starcraft
5-GTA:VC vs 12-Super Mario Sunshine
4-Kingdom Hearts vs 13-Bionic Commando
6-Final Fantasy Tactics vs 11-Legend of Zelda
3-Super Mario World vs 14-Xenogears
7-Super Mario Kart vs 10-Mario Kart 64
2-LoZ:LttP vs 15-Astroids
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

In 2 hours, MC's gained 900 votes. That's fairly good, in my eyes.

1-Final Fantasy 7 vs 16-Conker's Bad Fur Day
8-Sonic 2 vs 9-Castlevania: SotN
5-Perfect Dark vs 12-Earthbound - Perfect Dark a 5? Too high.
4-Devil May Cry vs 13-Pac-Man - Dunno about DMC having a 4, seems high.
6-Super Metroid vs 11-Final Fantasy - Both should be higher
3-LoZ:WW vs 14-Secret of Mana
7-Goldeneye vs 10-Half-Life - Goldeneye's too low.
2-Halo vs 15-Resident Evil

1-Chrono Trigger vs 16-Donkey Kong
8-Mortal Kombat 2 vs 9-Doom
5-Metroid Prime vs 12-Secret of Mana - you already used this once as a 14 seed
4-Super Mario 64 vs 13-Earthworm Jim
6-Super Mario RPG vs 11-Disgaea
3-Final Fantasy 10 vs 14-Fatal Fury
7-Tetris vs 10-Metroid
2-LoZ:OoT vs 15-Shenmue

1-Final Fantasy 3/6 vs 16-Duck Hunt
8-Twisted Metal 2 vs 9-Quake ("borrowed" this one from Chich, I think; it's good)
5-Soul Calibur 2 vs 12-Pong
4-Metal Gear Solid vs 13-WWF No Mercy - why include a WWF game at all?
6-Star Wars:KotOR vs 11-Punch-out!!
3-Metal Gear Solid 2 vs 14-Skies of Arcadia
7-Street Fighter 2 vs 10-Mega Man 2 - Now come on. MM2 a 10?
2-SSBM vs 15-Fire Emblem

1-Super Mario Bros. 3 vs 16-Zero Wing - heh.
8-Diablo 2 vs 9-Starcraft - Starcraft a 9?
5-GTA:VC vs 12-Super Mario Sunshine
4-Kingdom Hearts vs 13-Bionic Commando
6-Final Fantasy Tactics vs 11-Legend of Zelda - now you're having a laugh.
3-Super Mario World vs 14-Xenogears
7-Super Mario Kart vs 10-Mario Kart 64 - this would be interesting to see
2-LoZ:LttP vs 15-Astroids
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Fairly crazy, too, heh. I easily prefer MC over Frog, but I'm likin' my Top Fifty spot...make it close, MC, but not a vote less than what it takes for you to lose.
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I really can't see OoT getting lower than a 1-seed in any division w/o FFVII. I also think it's a bit unfair to have Chrono or OoT snubbed to the Final Four. Also 4-seeded Devil May Cry???? I disagree with some of your more fodder-liek choices, but otherwise it looks liek a strong bracket to me.
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Bah. My personal preference in this match is vastly favored toward Frog.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

11:15 | Frog | 18467 | +0455 | 53.47% | Master Chief | 16068 | +0439 | 46.53% | Lead of 2399 | (Up 16)
11:30 | Frog | 18990 | +0523 | 53.34% | Master Chief | 16610 | +0542 | 46.66% | Lead of 2380 | (Down 19)
11:45 | Frog | 19524 | +0534 | 53.27% | Master Chief | 17129 | +0519 | 46.73% | Lead of 2395 | (Up 15)
12:00 | Frog | 20154 | +0630 | 53.05% | Master Chief | 17834 | +0705 | 46.95% | Lead of 2320 | (Down 75)
12:15 | Frog | 20842 | +0688 | 52.94% | Master Chief | 18525 | +0691 | 47.06% | Lead of 2317 | (Down 3)
12:30 | Frog | 21536 | +0694 | 52.75% | Master Chief | 19289 | +0764 | 47.25% | Lead of 2247 | (Down 70)
12:45 | Frog | 22232 | +0696 | 52.52% | Master Chief | 20101 | +0812 | 47.48% | Lead of 2131 | (Down 116)
13:00 | Frog | 22946 | +0714 | 52.33% | Master Chief | 20904 | +0803 | 47.67% | Lead of 2042 | (Down 89)
13:15 | Frog | 23589 | +0643 | 52.09% | Master Chief | 21694 | +0790 | 47.91% | Lead of 1895 | (Down 147)
13:30 | Frog | 24278 | +0689 | 51.85% | Master Chief | 22546 | +0852 | 48.15% | Lead of 1732 | (Down 163)
13:45 | Frog | 24952 | +0674 | 51.62% | Master Chief | 23390 | +0844 | 48.38% | Lead of 1562 | (Down 170)
14:00 | Frog | 25608 | +0656 | 51.37% | Master Chief | 24245 | +0855 | 48.63% | Lead of 1363 | (Down 199)

"Updates Left: 40
Votes per update needed for Master Chief to catch up: 34.075
Frog's % last update: 43.41%
Total Votes so far: 49853"

680 in an hour.

And it's actually picking UP.

Simply enough, Frog=doomed if this keeps up for just 2 or 3 more hours.
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Simply enough, Frog=doomed if this keeps up for just 2 or 3 more hours.

Funny. He's just so doomed with the night vote to look forward too.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The night vote won't mean much if MC's lead over Frog will already be 2000 by the time it comes.


If you're not worried, you should be.
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Wow . . . this is just wrong . . . I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this is cheating. I mean this kind of gain seems absurd.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

To comment on my constructive critics...

Ah, replace 12-seeded SoM with Sonic and Knuckles then. I think PD's fine where it's at since it lost a close match as a 6-seed last year against an under-seeded C:SotN, so it's not that bad off. DMC, yeah, it is high, but I was lookin' to make a PD/DMC possibility, and I thought that'd be a good way to do it (I think it was a big snub, myself, though I did seed it too high). Goldeneye is a lil' low, but gettin' destroyed by LoZ:OoT will do that to ya. I thought I'd test the waters with arguably the best wrestling game I know and put it in the fray. If the Mega Man games really fight it out over nominations like we assume, then it's fully possible that MM2 might not get more nominations than half the games that got in.

Starcraft...better a #9 than #16, plus it makes for a controversial four-pack. I had to find a way to get Legend of Zelda in somehow, and I can see it gettin' alot less nominations than the other LoZ games...I probably could have done better on that one though. Last, I had LoZ:OoT and CT switched for awhile, but since CT won its division and LoZ:OoT didn't, even if LoZ:OoT did do better than CT against FF7, I gave CT the #1.
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If Chief gets closer, then I highly doubt there will be any winner of the night vote. Frog didn't get it when he faced Liquid, the two were basically even.

I think if MC can get that close, the night vote will split again.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

Harrich-

Please! Don't SFF Super Metroid again! Switch Halo and WW, for moderate amounts of justice!

You included Secret of Mana twice.

Switch Metroid Prime and Soul Calibur 2. MP and SM64 don't deserve such an early fight against each other.

Disgaea is, once again, overseeded. In such a contest, I could easily see it being in the bottom four, and thus it deserves a 16 seed.

lol @ Tetris v Metroid. That's a great match, even though Tetris' seed should probably be twice what it is.

1-Super Mario Bros. 3 vs 16-Zero Wing
8-Diablo 2 vs 9-Starcraft

You're not actually supposed to use that four pack. Let them demolish the entire bracket, not just wreak havoc on a small bit of it.

And finally, 6 of the last 8 games are Nintendo games. SFF matches, contrary to popular opinion are not fun.

Suggestions: You have too many weak games in there. A contest where every game is strong would be awesome. Notable snubs include DKC, SMB1, FFVIII.

A decent bracket, but not quite approaching the perfection of Slowflake's Pseudo-bracket.

Rematch: Goldeneye v CSotN, that looks like the only one.

Not really a problem then.

SFF: Mario 64 and possibly Super Metroid v SMB3, FFX v FFVI, CT v FFIV, maybe KH v CT.

Problem solved. Except for Kingdom Hearts, which I don't really care about. I'm leaving Super Metroid vs SMB3 b/c Halo will beat it anyway.

Overseeding: GGXX, Disgaea, Fire Emblem,

Fire Emblem overseeded? ROFLMAO. It's underseeded liek hell. Disgaea is a HUGE fan favorite here, and had I not despised its fans so much it could've gottne a 9-seed. GGXX I put b/c nothing else would make an interesting match.

Starcraft,

Aren't you the one who said no rematches? Starcraft as a 1-seed would make for a much more interesting bracket.

Duck Hunt (maybe),

Who cares about fodder?

GE and MGS should be switched,

Sure.

Tetris,

Sure.

Skies of Arcadia, Shining Force 2, Sonic 2, Contra, Shenmue, Vice City < Kingdom Hearts, Pokemon GSC, Earthbound.

All in the name of an interesting bracket. Next! (Seriously though, the bracket is much better this way)

Also: SMRPG is way underseeded,

Fixed.

as is KotOR.

Again, the bracket benefits as a whole.

MGS2 is stronger than MGS, yet you snubbed it.

Yep.

FFVIII should be in there, it's undoubtedly stronger than FFIV and FF.

Yep, that's a problem. I guess I'll have to drop and switch a few 5 or 6 seeds.

You put in Pokemon but not Xenogears. I'm sure there are other problems, but those are the most glaring ones.

I realize that.

And Mario 1 is the best NES SMB.

Wrong.
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The night vote won't mean much if MC's lead over Frog will already be 2000 by the time it comes.

With the crazy assumption that this all keeps going for that period of time. I would severly doubt Master Chief ever coming close to getting that.

If you're not worried, you should be.

There's not a reason for me to be worried.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Wow . . . this is just wrong . . . I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this is cheating. I mean this kind of gain seems absurd.

I really don't think there's cheating going on. People are coming home from school and whatever, and alot of young adults love Halo. Of course they're going to vote MC.
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

The only thing I saw that was crazy was the 200 votes in 10 minutes a short time ago.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

since CT won its division and LoZ:OoT didn't, even if LoZ:OoT did do better than CT against FF7, I gave CT the #1.


So then, why does FFVI get a 1 seed and not LttP? Or SSBM, for that matter.

1000 vote swing during the day vote? Come on HM... gimmie some props. I called this. I said Frog needed at least 1000 vote lead going into the 'day vote' to have a chance. He had about 2200. Christ people, show a little love! It is not often I am this right. Ooh, and unless MC takes the lead by 7 PST the match is over.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

What's the link for the updater? I can't seem to find it.

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
FFXI: Luninutz: Carbuncle - 20 WAR / 10 MNK

Yeah, the night vote doesn't have to go to Frog, we've seen before where the early night vote didn't equal the late night vote.
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Frog had 2400 votes.

It would be weird if MC came back

Is 2400 votes the biggest successful back we would have?

That's just wrong, if the record was held by Master Chief. LAME.
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Yeah. I have problems with FF6 getting a first seed but not OoT.
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Mac, 'bout the four-pack ya questioned; I agree, but I tried to look at this through CJay's eyes...Starcraft caused hell last year, from upsets to cheating. I also fear that Diablo 2 will make it in next year, and that'd probably carry the same problems. I can easily see CJay pitting the two against each other in the first round, just to remove one of the evils right off the bat. Then, if CJay can make Halo/Starcraft in the first round, he can make SMB3/whichever in the second.

I'm gonna try to take this advice everyone's given me and repost it later in another topic, thanks.
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~courtesy of mr wednesday

14:15 | Frog | 26259 | +0651 | 51.17% | Master Chief | 25060 | +0815 | 48.83% | Lead of 1199 | (Down 164)


"Updates Left: 39
Votes per update needed for Master Chief to catch up: 30.744
Frog's % last update: 44.41%
Total Votes so far: 51319"

okie< slow down already ><
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

So, with that in mind, I'm juggling a bit of stuff...

The bracket:

North Division

(1) Final Fantasy VII
(16) Contra III: The Alien Wars

(8) Guilty Gear XX
(9) Soul Calibur 2

(5) Sonic 3 & Knuckles
(12) Disgaea: Hour of Darkness

(4) Metroid Prime
(13) Doom

(6) Super Metroid
(11) Gunstar Heroes

(3) Halo
(14) Fire Emblem

(7) Shining Force 2
(10) Skies of Arcadia

(2) Super Mario Bros 3
(15) Gunstar Heroes

East Division

(1) Starcraft
(16) Pong

(8) Tetris
(9) The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask

(5) Goldeneye
(12) Duck Hunt

(4) Metal Gear Solid
(13) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(6) Super Mario 64
(11) Phantasy Star IV

(3) Final Fantasy X
(14) Suikoden II

(7) Chrono Cross
(10) Contra

(2) The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
(15) Secret of Mana

South Division

(1) The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
(16) Ninja Gaiden 2

(8) Sonic the Hedgehog 2
(9) Ninja Gaiden (Xbox)

(5) Final Fantasy VIII
(12) Mario Kart 64

(4) Mega Man X
(13) Dance Dance Revolution

(6) Final Fantasy Tactics
(11) Earthbound

(3) Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
(14) ICO

(7) Super Mario World
(10) Shenmue

(2) Final Fantasy VI
(15) Resident Evil 2

West Division

(1) Chrono Trigger
(16) Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!!

(8) Super Mario RPG
(9) Pokemon G/S/C

(5) Half-Life/Counter-Strike
(12) Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

(4) Kingdom Hearts
(13) Perfect Dark

(6) Donkey Kong Country 2
(11) Paper Mario

(3) The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
(14) Dragon Warrior 3

(7) Mega Man 2
(10) Final Fantasy IV

(2) Super Smash Bros: Melee
(15) Lunar: Silver Star Story
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MC is killing Frog's lead....
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

this is awful...
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 12/12
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Frog, he shall pwn MC *LISTEN TO KOSMO RADIO*

WHAT?!? Chief cut Frog's lead in half in under three hours?

Allow me not to believe what I'm seeing. Frog kept gaining at the same pace he did all day, then boom! Chief comes back like mad. I hope CJayC's looking into this, because this doesn't look right.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

It is flavour of the month it seems... here's my bracket:

(1) Final Fantasy 7 vs. (16) Zero Wing
(8) Doom vs. (9) Quake
(5) Metroid Prime vs. (12) Earthbound
(4) Final Fantasy vs. (13) Punch-Out
(6) Final Fantasy 8 vs. (11) Perfect Dark
(3) Zelda: Wind Waker vs. (14) Fire Emblem
(7) Sonic 2 vs. (10) Metal Gear Solid 2
(2) Legend of Zelda vs. (15) Space Invaders

(1) Chrono Trigger vs. (16) Elite
(8) Contra vs. (9) Super Mario RPG
(5) Tetris vs. (12) Gradius
(4) Super Mario World vs. (13) Xenogears
(6) Super Metroid vs. (11) Donkey Kong
(3) Final Fantasy X vs. (14) Star Wars: KOTOR
(7) Super Mario 64 vs. (10) Metroid
(2) Zelda LttP vs. (15) Pong

(1) Zelda OoT vs. (16) Chuckie Egg
(8) Mortal Kombat 2 vs. (9) Soul Calibur 2
(5) GTA: Vice City vs. (12) Duck Hunt
(4) Mega Man 2 vs. (13) Shenmue
(6) Castlevania SotN vs. (11) Final Fantasy Tactics
(3) Metal Gear Solid vs. (14) Pac-Man
(7) Super Mario Kart vs. (10) Mario Kart 64
(2) Super Smash Bros. Melee vs. (15) R-Type

(1) Super Mario Bros 3 vs. (16) Ikaruga
(8) Half-Life vs. (9) Phantasy Star
(5) Goldeneye vs. (12) Metal Gear
(4) Halo vs. (13) Sonic 3
(6) Mega Man X vs. (11) Duke Nukem 3D
(3) FF3/6 vs. (14) Championship Manager
(7) Kingdom Hearts vs. (10) Sim City
(2) Starcraft vs. (15) Actraiser
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

1000 vote swing during the day vote? Come on HM.

The only problem with that is that it wasn't until very recently that Master Chief actually started doing that. Up until about two through three hours ago Frog was increasing his lead the entire time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

BTW Mac: Thanks for giving me the perfect excuse to snub FF 1 ;)
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So, uh...Heroic Mario, when do you actually consider Master Chief to have "raped" the day vote? We're looking at a more successful comeback than anything StarCraft ever did if he can keep it up. Not to say he'll get it done, but the rate of his comeback is awfully impressive.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

...Maybe XBox does own the after-school vote, after all. First Hayabusa, and now Master Chief.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And I think it has slowed down.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Slowflake, what are your top games/characters?
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So, with that in mind, I'm juggling a bit of stuff...

The bracket:

North Division

(11) Gunstar Heroes
(15) Gunstar Heroes


A fan, are we?
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

MY top games and characters?

Games: CT, OoT, Metroid Prime, FF6, Wind Waker, Diablo 2, SM64, S3&K, DKC2, SMB3.
Characters: Kefka, Magus, Samus, Link, Sonic, Frog, Knuckles, Yoshi, Mario, Ganondorf.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

slowflake, fast call this match in MC's favor.
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

That's much better, although I still think that a couple are overseeded, namely SF2 vs. SoA. Reminds me of Serious Sam vs. Mr. Driller.

Yep. Lead under 1100... at this rate Master Chief is your winner for today.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Great :D
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Well, I didn't mention this in other matches because I wanted Slow's curse to work, but now I can bring it up. I have the power to break curses and make Slowflake's statement have no bearing on the outcome of the match. AAAAANDDDD... Here we go.

*reads incantation*

*points at Slow*

Thy curse hath been removethed. Now you have no effect on a match's outcome.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

14:30 | Frog | 26951 | +0692 | 51.02% | Master Chief | 25874 | +0814 | 48.98% | Lead of 1077 | (Down 122)


Technically it has slowed down.

But 100+ votes down in 15 minutes still ain't pretty.
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A fan, are we?

Yeah, but that's not why it's there twice. I had Lunar there twice originally too. *thinks of fodder*
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Aaaand... you know it's going to work HOW?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Heh, if anyone still believed that Frog could pose a threat to Solid Snake, I think all hopes of that have been shot down. Snake should probably snag over 60% of the vote against him, if the match stays right around where it is and is indicative of Frog's true strength.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

From mine, replace Championship Manager with Donkey Kong Country and Metal Gear with Street Fighter 2. That's the thing with doing one of those in ten minutes, you make oversights.
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Well I didn't mention in other matches, but I have the power to remove Mastermages "remove slowflakes curse'' curse.

Reads mastermages post.
Removes mastermages curse.
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Right, it was you who said that WW was the second best Zelda. ;)
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Sig me on this. ~ TheXByte

Thy curse hath been removethed.

Your olde English is worse than Frog's.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

49% now, and Frog's 2400 lead is more than half gone and approaching three figures. How long can Master Chief sustain this for? Until the kiddies go to bed? We'll see later, same bat-time, same bat-channel...
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Jon Thomson - today: Frog, tomorrow: Solid Snake - 36/44
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Luckily, I have my anti-perfect shield. Since you are unfortunately also a perfect bracket, your removal fails. Also, since I rolled a 20, I get a critical hit and deal 6000 damage to you.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Slowing down quite a bit now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Slowing down? Unless I'm blind, he's about to crack through the 1000 barrier.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Hah, to bad for you I got my ''reverse damage'' on. Plus a ''force mind power'''. 6000 damage for you, and I decided for you to take the curse away and lock yourself up in a room.
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

jt-

1st div rocks.

Switch Sonic 2 and MGS2's seeds.

Contra is weak. It needs a low seed, and we need not to have a rematch between CT and SMRPG/FFVII/LttP/SMW. Seriously, 4 rematches? That's absurd. Switch it with SMB3, or...I don't know, since that would make massive SFF. You'll have to make some serious changes to that division, with LttP vs SM64 and SM64 vs Metroid SFF.

SMK vs MK64 vs SSBM is not fun. I hate SFF, spread it out a bit more. Maybe put it in the last division.

KH vs. SC = dumb rematch. Switch KH and MMX.

Heroic... you're so optimistic you are now actually hallucinating.


And unfortunately for YOU, I slipped the message board master a 20 before we started and, whoa! You just fell down a bottomless pit with an indestructible magic barrier causing you to be unable to escape.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Slowing down? Unless I'm blind, he's about to crack through the 1000 barrier.

Well yes, before he was gaining nearly 200 votes in 10 minutes. Now it's taking him over 10 minutes to gain 100 votes.

Plus, all you need to do is look at how long it takes him to break the next level as opposed to about an hour earlier.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Luckily, I have my anti-perfect shield. Since you are unfortunately also a perfect bracket, your removal fails. Also, since I rolled a 20, I get a critical hit and deal 6000 damage to you.

Hah! Your roll activated my trap card, Wrath of the Fanboy! Your points are nullified in a puff of anti-logic!
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Frog 50.93% 27312
Master Chief 49.07% 26313
TOTAL VOTES 53625

1000 barrier is broken.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heroic... you're so optimistic you are now actually hallucinating.

If you can't see that it is slowing down, you are blind.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Frog 50.93% 27312
Master Chief 49.07% 26311
TOTAL VOTES 53623

Two more votes and MC will break Frog's lead into triple-digits.
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
*jumps on table while techno plays*

Well, it's done now. Under 1000.

I swear, this board will get Mario/Crono ugly if Chief wins.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Psh! I will sacrifice my ultra powered overwhelming super god card to summon Insignificant Dragon and utterly destroy you!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Heroic... you're so optimistic you are now actually hallucinating.

The same way as he was hallucinating about Mega Man breaking 62% on Tidus?
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Above 1000 now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*wakes up*
Damn, MC is actually almost winning!@#%^$# 1 perfect bracket will be left after today for both of us. But after Sonic pwns Ryu and Dante 6 points down for you boy.
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Heroic Mario's right in that it's slowing down, but he seems to be neglecting the fact that Master Chief is still gaining quickly. Just not at the unthinkable rate it was an hour or two ago.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The same way as he was hallucinating about Mega Man breaking 62% on Tidus?

No, that actually happened. Weren't you there? Mega Man got 65%

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1754

See?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Damn, MC is actually almost winning!@#%^$# 1 perfect bracket will be left after today for both of us. But after Sonic pwns Ryu and Dante 6 points down for you boy.

That's not important >>;
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

that was ironic....
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

I think I've been justified when one looks at the updater.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Frog's not letting it go...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

No, that actually happened. Weren't you there? Mega Man got 65%

My point exactly? That' Heroic Mario's optimism often pays off?
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PS2, do you have Crono or Mario?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

MC might drag it down to 500 votes....but Frog won't let it get below that. Frog wins by 1500+.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 42/44 (Yoshi) Pick: Frog

you had pointed out though that the one stretch where he gained 200 in ten was odd, and he doesn't need to crush frog, he just needs to win.
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My point exactly? That' Heroic Mario's optimism often pays off?

How could you make a point by saying the opposite of what you are trying to prove? That's silly. You are a silly, silly man.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

No, that was his point. You just mis-read what he said, I guess.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

How could you make a point by saying the opposite of what you are trying to prove? That's silly. You are a silly, silly man.

I love how everyone understands sarcasm on GameFAQs.
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14:45 | Frog | 27693 | +0742 | 50.91% | Master Chief | 26701 | +0827 | 49.09% | Lead of 0992 | (Down 85)


Slowing down more. Yo yo yo.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

I love how everyone understands sarcasm on GameFAQs.

Me too. It's nice to see you have mastered the art.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I still want it closer....but that might not happen.

MC's after-school vote surge will end in a couple of updates...
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

I have Crono, and I hope Mario wins.
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Back from school and exactly where I thought it would be.

This looks exactly like Starcraft/Halo, except the fact that frog has the lead at this moment and that this lead is pretty much equal to how much better Starcraft did with the night vote.

It looks like we'll have a great finish...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 16156012

It's interesting that MC didn't slow down. More like Frog caught up.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Hm... You have a cookie-cutter the rest of the way right? Cause if so, to you and me this match means absolutely nothing when it comes to the guru contest. The final would decide it anyway. Unless there are other people who would beat one of us at least.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yeah, looks liek Frog fans finally decided taht they'd had enough cheating for Xbox fans and got down to votestuffing, hard-kore.
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And Frog's plummeting again. Damn, damn, damn.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Here comes Master Chief's next push. Lead is falling again.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I just got an image of this being like labor...

"Here comes the next contraction... damn, hold on Frog..."
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SC2k4: 41/44 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Frog

Hmmm. Remarkably close to where I predicted MC's second surge. About 6 o' clock is the athlete surge from the east coast.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Gah! Its just too close to call at this point. (C'mon frog!)
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Bullets can't silence ideas

That's not exactly "plummeting", especially when he's not contiuously falling. And it's still looking far, far better than before.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yeah, but it does care for the leaderboard. And to be THE guru, I think I only need Mario, Cloud and Link to win. And of course nothing weird happens like Ryu getting pas sonic or something :P
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Just because it's far better doesn't mean it's good. Master Chief will still catch him at this rate.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yay! Finally my least favorite character in the contest may fall...

GO MC!
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Schucks. I'm losing my account the day after Megaman vs. Snake...*_*...

And my bracket is not cookie-cutter because I have Tails and link .
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

If Frog loses this match, I'll do something AMAZINGLY stupid.
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Sig me on this. ~ TheXByte

Just because it's far better doesn't mean it's good. Master Chief will still catch him at this rate.

Far better, in the long run, will more become "good". I still don't see anything to worry about until Master Chief actually takes the lead himself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And of course nothing weird happens like Ryu getting pas sonic or something :P

That would be insanity. I wonder if any idiots chose that. LMAO! How funny would it be if a PERFECT chose that. Oh man... That would be so funny.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I guess this means that Liquid Snake Vs. Master Chief isn't so conclusive after all.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

And my bracket is not cookie-cutter because I have Tails and link .

I said the rest of the way and both Link and Cloud are cookie-cutter.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yay, this is Halo's revenge for Starcraft taking it out in the Spring.

Ok maybe not revenge.

But Master Chief is gonna pull a Starcraft, well sorta, and screw the 2 points, i'll be happy if MC wins.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 43/44
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

2004-09-09 14:38:12 27325 26326 50.93% 49.07% 999
2004-09-09 14:54:28 28108 27186 50.83% 49.17% 922

From the first time Master Chief got his lead under 1000 up until now. Nearly 20 minutes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Wait about 10 minutes or so.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

At that pace, he still takes off 231 in an hour.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

i'd say this new surge is coming from west coast schools getting out now

dammit Frog, you gotta win....
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<reptile-> The first time hypr opened a box of Cheerios and looked inside he yelled, "OH WOW! DONUT SEEDS!"
<hypr> wtf are donut seeds

At that pace,

Assuming he continues at this pace. I don't believe he'll keep that up for very long.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

X-Box=King of Day Vote; Frog should hold on... but if he doesn't, he better lose by 127 votes on the dot dammit.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

You know, I have Frog winning in my bracket, but I want MC to win. GO MC!

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
FFXI: Luninutz: Carbuncle - 20 WAR / 10 MNK

Under 900. Geez, this is unholy.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

I need sleep, I'll come back tomorrow morning when the end of the last hour of the match is busy.
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44/44 points in sc2004
And yes I know my username is lame.

Why 127?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Frog 50.8% 28248
Master Chief 49.2% 27362
TOTAL VOTES 55610

He just cut it under 900. He's still not slowing down all that much.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Go Master Chief!!
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Score:38/42 Todays Pick: Zero
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

He's still not slowing down all that much.

In comparison to before, yes he really is.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

With 9 hours to go, the lead was 874 votes... heh, this should be fun.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

"Why 127?"

Cauz if my bracket is going to hell, I want to at least win the damn Prophet Challenge.
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Anxiously awaiting... SQUALL vs. kirby

Look, we all knew he couldn't keep up that unbelievable pace from 2 hours ago, but he's still gaining fast.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

15:00 | Frog | 28369 | +0676 | 50.76% | Master Chief | 27521 | +0820 | 49.24% | Lead of 0848 | (Down 144)


Slowing down my foot. That's not much worse than what it was before at all you know.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

850! Dangit, this brings back memories. Baaaaaaaaaaaaad memories.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Frog needs to win with 50.03%

>.>
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

We're gonna need a new topic within the next 20-30 minutes, methinks. Is Ulti around?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Not on AIM... Who wants to make it if this hits 475 without him coming on?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Look, we all knew he couldn't keep up that unbelievable pace from 2 hours ago, but he's still gaining fast.

He still has slowed down considerably, even when he was gaining 100+ in the last 15 minutes he shouldn't be doing a whole lot more of that. And the odds of this happening into the night continues to be unlikely simply because of how CT does with the night vote. He'd need to get the lead with this for worry.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You mean he didn't make one at liek 140 posts???
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Sig me on this. ~ TheXByte

This is too close for comfort.
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Remember Dr T? Now he's back, in POG FORM!
Proud supporter of Viewtiful Joe!

Frog 50.71% 28525
Master Chief 49.29% 27725
TOTAL VOTES 56250

Down to 800. Slowing down, huh?
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

800, dammit! It's even faster than before.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

800!?
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SC2k4: 41/44 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Frog

That last 100 took about 18 minutes, for the record.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Me! Me! Me!
I do!
*jumps up and down exictedly and almost mockingly =)"

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

You guys can make this so humorous. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well at this rate, we will need one in a very short time. Who wants to make it?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I really hope we get a topic from Ceej. I really do.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I hope it says "Standard No Cheating Topic".
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well at this rate, we will need one in a very short time. Who wants to make it?

I guess I could make it. Just copy and past that stuff from the first post, right?
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

I'd even live with that, although the consensus seems to be that he is cheating.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Saying what, "No cheating has been found"?
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

Yeah, the links and the title is kinda obvious. Also a little message up top if you so desire. But if anyone asks, this wasn't my idea...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

the consensus seems to be that he is cheating.

This is the creepiest part about the whole thing. I think it never, EVER happened before, except for the male/female incident.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Whoever makes the topic better be prepared to face Ulti's conniptious wrath depending on who you are. He's sensitive about this.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

This is the creepiest part about the whole thing. I think it never, EVER happened before, except for the male/female incident.

Even SC vs SSBM?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I'll make it assuming someone hasn't planned too and he's not around.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The reason that is the consensus is because people don't WANT to believe MC is capable of doing anything. People believe what they want to.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, that one was about as obvious as a Warlock Punch in Slo-Mo Melee. I'm talking about the gradual comebacks.

If no one wants to do this because of Ulti, I guess I'll do it myself, I suppose.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

aka
self-fulfilling prophecy

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

I can make it... I've never been the object of Ulti's wrath, it'd be neat to see how it feels once >_>
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SC2k4: 41/44 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Frog

Whoever makes the topic better be prepared to face Ulti's conniptious wrath depending on who you are. He's sensitive about this.

I THINK it was slow who finally convinced him that any regular should be allowed to make it. That happened after I made it when he wasn't around and he got mad anyway.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I THINK it was slow who finally convinced him that any regular should be allowed to make it. That happened after I made it when he wasn't around and he got mad anyway.

That wasn't me. I suppose it was Chichiri, though I could be as wrong as you are.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 042/044 - Matches: 36/38 - Rank: 00098/33221 - Today: Frog - Tomorrow: Snake

Ok, it's ready to go. I'll post it in a little bit.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Are we purposely posting to get to 475 so we CAN see some of his wrath?

*chalks up another post*

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www.bobandgeorge.com
You'll never vote anti-MegaMan again

Well, Master Chief has stalled for a little bit again.

Eh, doesn't matter who makes the topic. We're about to need it.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I remember an S. Maybe smitelf?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, that one was about as obvious as a Warlock Punch in Slo-Mo Melee. I'm talking about the gradual comebacks.

XD. Gotta love your wit, Slow.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

DAMN! *Slams fists on desktop*!

I think MC's kiddy fanboys have run out of votes...for now..but this is outrageous!! If Frog loses, I will act t3h f00l!!!!!

Them vote stuffing kids. >_<'
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GameFAQs can gain justice from this petition! Please visit it at http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=15656619 (1087 Signs!)

It was creativename.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I THINK it was slow who finally convinced him that any regular should be allowed to make it. That happened after I made it when he wasn't around and he got mad anyway.

I'm 99% sure that was creativename.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

C's are like mini S's...
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

S. C. Same difference...

Heheh. SC ^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

*votes slowflake*

Kiddy fanboys?

If anyone would get the kiddy vote in this match, it would be Frog
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Snake vs. Tanner - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Frog vs. MC - Bracket: Frog - Vote: MC (42/44)

Looks like someone else created the topic already.

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Lunatic Under Narcotic Influence
FFXI: Luninutz: Carbuncle - 20 WAR / 10 MNK

ok guys, it's posted.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

Even if this is cheating, it's still fun to watch.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 42/44, Next Winner: Frog

Yay Lud!! Putting yourself in the line of fire for Ulti's wrath. Taking one for the team ^_^
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

wtf? why did someone else post it? I already said I would, it's not as though I was lying.
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My luck works best when things are... random. Mat Cauthon from The Dragon Reborn

650 vote lead.
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SC2k4: 41/44 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Frog

There's two of them. Which one should I use? I'm so confused....
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

I wouldn't post count if I were you. Some of our regulars don't take that lightly.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm liking this!
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
*jumps on table while techno plays*

I say the one of andaca, since his doesn't have a period.
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

I think their should be only ONE person who makes these topics...
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There was no nudity in Crono Trigger, there was nudity in Crono Cross, making it an overral better game.- Heroic Dr Wily

But what if that one person (Ulti) isn't around? What then?
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
*jumps on table while techno plays*

That has proven inefficient. People should just post in the existing topic first to confirm they are making it.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

We DO only have one person who normally makes these topics. The only reason there's such a debate is because he's not here.
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well why didnt andaca WAIT til this was 500'd at least?
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There was no nudity in Crono Trigger, there was nudity in Crono Cross, making it an overral better game.- Heroic Dr Wily

Go Frog! Stem the tide!
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Bomberman's Road to the Summer Championship
1st Round: (4)Squall Leonhart, 2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Because this topic is filling up fast, that's why.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 42/44, Next Winner: Frog

w/e...
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There was no nudity in Crono Trigger, there was nudity in Crono Cross, making it an overral better game.- Heroic Dr Wily