Just felt like making the half-century topic now in case the other one filled up before I got off of work later.

50 topics... holy hell.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Wow, 50 topics, this has come alng way since I remember them last summer.
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First post

So anyway.. Samus did well aganist Lara but when Sonic will tear her up so bad there won't be **** left!
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There are 3 types of people in this world. Those who can count and those who can't

You make these way too soon. The other topic is at 210, for Christ's sakes.

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"Yeah, there seems to be some sort of pink...my god...my god! IT ATE JOHNSON! ~BluesASC on Kirbyzilla

Just for later.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

tag
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"Oh my God, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican!" - Bart Simpson

Oh, wow... We're nearly at 50...
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Well, Sonic is going to lose to Samus I think, but I wouldn't mind too much seeing Sonic win.


~RPGGamer~
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Osama is sunning himself on a remote island, waiting for his buddy Bush to call him, so they can stage the capture a week before the election.-solar jetman

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BtT: 3:57.10 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

There's no question: Sonic will lose to Samus. It'll be interesting to see how close it is this time though.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Tagged.

Yeah, Samus will definitely destroy Sonic now. After 82% on Lara Croft, I don't see how it can't happen.
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Now is the time to choose: die and be free of pain, or live and fight your sorrow! ~Auron, Final Fantasy X

I first was very impressed of Samus, but after seeing how SFF made Ganondorf look weak, I don't think she's that strong.
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 32/34

Might as well tag this.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Tag.
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See my writings at http://www.alexkaulfuss.com as the GrandioseGadfly
Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

I first was very impressed of Samus, but after seeing how SFF made Ganondorf look weak, I don't think she's that strong.

Wha? That should make her look stronger, considering that it's likely she suffered SFF against Link last year, and it's not like she would have the same fanbase as Lara...

Magus would not beat Mario.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Better bump this, just in case some Joe decides to make a fake one.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 032/034 - Matches: 31/33 - Rank: 00194/33221 - Today: Yoshi - Tomorrow: Crono
VOTE MAGUS TOMORROW!

The only way Magus could beat Mario is if he's legitimately stronger than Crono. If he needs SFF to win, he can't do it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Mario has ravioli power.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

True, HM

Crono only did so well in 2002 because of the people angry about Cloud losing (to an extent, probably 3% up or so)

Crono only did so well in 2003 because of Mario's "cheating" the last time (to an extent, Crono is also worthy of being in the Noble Nine...he beat Snake, after all) still probably 3% or so.

I know 3% may seem extreme, but think about it...obviously much more revenge and cheat votes going in for Crono after Planet GameCube stepped in during Mario/Cloud
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

If Magus beats Crono, Magus won't beat Mario. I'll sig-bet that with anybody if Magus wins tomorrow.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I originally would've blamed Samus vs. Lara on "girl SFF", but Lara Croft didn't seem to suffer it against Zelda...

I would be very skeptical about Magus beating Mario, after seeing Magus fall short of doubling Fisher, he struggled to beat Gordon Freeman. On the other hand, voting behavior seems to be a lot less mainstream this year.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Mario always loses after he beats Crono.
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Lonely Angel
Summer 2004 Contest Prediction: Match 34: Yoshi wins 52.17%-47.83%

Uh...no. Revenge votes a year later keeping Crono close to Mario? With a huge influx of voters who didn't see the contest the year before?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I dont exactly see what people see in characters like mario and link... they aren't exactly characters, more personalities. they never speak, they just seem to do whatever others tell em to do...

Mario always loses after he beats Crono because he has to face Link or Sephiroth lol....
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

They're old school characters. How many characters from the early and mid 80's have 10 minute FMVs telling us about their past and personality?
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

You don't need to have great character development or background in order to be liked. It's easy enough for people to like Mario and Link.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

How many characters from the early and mid 80's have 10 minute FMVs telling us about their past and personality?

We called them cartoons. Some of them were even 22 minutes long!
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Crono only did so well in 2002 because of the people angry about Cloud losing (to an extent, probably 3% up or so)

Didn't CJayC imply that Crono had that push in 2002 because of a cheater who proxied 2000 or 3000 votes for Crono?

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

He did Mumei? When/Where?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

It was implied, but Crono was legitimately equal to Mario last year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Not quite, Leonhart. Do you really think that Mario would not have won by more, if it weren't for then "foul play" of the year before?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

He did Mumei? When/Where?

I believe it was for SSBM/SC match regarding the cheating. He said that the only time he's taken off votes was when 3000 votes were proxied by a single person. Now since Crono in 2002 is the only time he has taken off votes... Well I think you can figure it out.

But he was equal to Mario last year.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Crono is equal to Mario. There's no doubt about that. He was ahead of Mario for almost the entire match, even with the large increase of casual votes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Do you really think that Mario would not have won by more, if it weren't for then "foul play" of the year before?

Absolutely NOT. I, like about 20,000 other voters last year, didn't even see the first contest. If Mario was 3% stronger than Crono like you're saying, those extra voters would've been enough to push the plumber over the top instead of needing extra time to win.

You seriously overestimate things like revenge. Only the board even gives a crap about that. Most voters probably don't even remember what happens from year to year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

1. Crono is not equal to Mario, Mario has never lost to him ^_~

2. So you are saying the vote totals would have been the exact same if Crono and Mario had never met in 2002, Leonhart?

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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

and 3. He didn't need extra time, he was up at midnight (I think, only 80% sure though)
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

Give or take a few votes. VERY few people would even care about that. I believe I've made that point clear. Not everyone takes this contest seriously, you know.

Why would 20,000 extra voters decide to help Crono out because of something that happened the year before that they had no clue about? I know I didn't.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

and 3. He didn't need extra time, he was up at midnight (I think, only 80% sure though)

It still took him more than 24 hours to get the lead.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

well of course not 20,000 lol

but I could see Crono gaining ATLEAST 500 extra votes because of that, if not more
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

Tag.

I'll be talking tommorrow =P

BTW, who actually has Magus for this match?
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I am the Angel of Death. The day of purification has come.

Well, if Mario is 3% stronger than Crono like you say, then those extra 20,000 should have been enough to keep Mario ahead all day as opposed to a meager 500 votes switched to Crono because of events from the previous year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

True, but we don't know what would have happened if it had started and ended at the right time. I know that Mario would not have won had I not been there. Because he needed my cheering him on and rallying voters from other Nintendo sites. ^_~ ^_~
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

Halfway to 100 topics.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I know that Mario would not have won had I not been there. Because he needed my cheering him on and rallying voters from other Nintendo sites. ^_~

...And for other illegal reasons. It would serve you well not to bring that up.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

On the subject of Mario and Crono now?

Well, Crono wins this year. It could be by a decent margin too.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

How dare you accuse me of voting for Mario 168 times. I would never sink that low, as to cheat on a fun little video game poll, especially when my bracket had Crono defeating Mario (like it does this year)

I was hitting Planet GameCube, etc. that day.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

I thought that vote rallying, while unethical, was not considered illegal.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This year, Crono > Mario > Magus.

Seriously, only a Magus fanboy would have him winning this match. I've been a part of CT's online fanbase since it was out. I can assure you that SFF will be going BOTH ways here and that in the end it will favor Crono.

Speaking of which, we should officially boot Sonic from the Noble Nine and replace him with Magus.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

It looks like Sonic might be at 2002 levels again, which would mean we shouldn't boot him...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I thought that vote rallying, while unethical, was not considered illegal.

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, goku z admitted to being the scum of the earth in an earlier CS&D topic.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

I remember that too, Doma.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

No way, Lucid.

Untill I see Magus defeat Sonic or Snake, he won't be in the Noble Nine. I just can't see that happening.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, goku z admitted to being the scum of the earth in an earlier CS&D topic.

Can you elaborate...?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Untill I see Magus defeat Sonic or Snake, he won't be in the Noble Nine. I just can't see that happening.

We're never going to see a match like that with CJayC doing the seeding, and you should look a little harder. I'd bet anything that Magus could take down Sonic.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Hope you got that because I won't risk posting it again.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

I think Sonic could take Magus, but I wouldn't be shocked if Magus won in a close one.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

You said that you admitted to cheating, but were only joking. >_>

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

I can't be too careful...red13n seems to have it out for me, and I still have a decent shot at getting a prize, so I don't want to risk it...
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

We shouldn't even have a "Noble Nine". The whole point is to have a cutoff point where there are these "elite" like characters who can't possibly be beat by anyone below them. I'd say cut it off at Samus (2003) or Snake (2003).
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Not that it changes anything, but you can get banned and still win prizes.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

I liked a Super Seven that was mentioned awhile back, personally; I think the cut-off was Samus, 'cuz Solid Snake was closer to Sonic than he was to Samus.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

1 Cloud Strife 50.00%
2 Link 48.39%
3 Sephiroth 48.11%

Big Three

4 Mega Man 37.35%
5 Mario 36.95%
6 Crono 36.91%
7 Samus Aran 36.72%

Superior Seven

8 Solid Snake 34.74%

Snake's Tier

9 Magus 33.80%
10 Sonic the Hedgehog 33.79%
11 Ganondorf 33.60%
12 Shadow the Hedgehog 33.18%
13 Tidus 33.14%
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

Wait you mean we haven't started using the Super 7?

So I guess I confused a few people when I mention it
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Summer 2004 Contest 29/34 Yoshi vs. Luigi

We should start the Super Seven.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You probably didn't confuse anyone, most people know Snake and Sonic are below the other 7.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Superior Seven > Super Seven
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

Super Seven sounds smoother (try saying that five times fast).
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

i like super seven better, too

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SC2K4: 34/36 points Tomorrow's Pick: Crono

Super Seven sounds like the nick name of a short bus group.

Superior Seven sounds good.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

I agree that Super Seven sounds better. Not as good as "Elite Eight" or "Noble Nine", but better than the awkward "Superior Seven".

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

If one of the Super 7 goes down in populairty it should be called Superior 6. Plus Super 7 sounds like the lottery
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Summer 2004 Contest 29/34 Yoshi vs. Luigi

Bleh, whatever, not that important to fight over...
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

...

I just realized that round 3 is sprites. We must get X vs. Zero.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Not important??? BLASPHEMY!!!!

Super 7 > Superior 7

If we include Snake, even though he is about 2% below Samus, we COULD have the Elite Eight. No arguing about that one.
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Summer Contest Match 31 Luigi vs Yoshi
Status 31/34 Points: 033 Next: Crono vs. Magus

I demand the Uber Eight!
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

If Super is so popular, we could make it the "Super Three" and say it with a lisp...
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

no the first part has to start with the same letter as the number (but what should we call the Big 3?)
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Summer 2004 Contest 29/34 Yoshi vs. Luigi

Tremendous Three?

Titanic Three?
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

Teriffic Three?
Tremendous Three?
The Three?
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Summer Contest Match 31 Luigi vs Yoshi
Status 31/34 Points: 033 Next: Crono vs. Magus

Top Three?

>.>
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

How about the Terrible Two? XP

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Let's just smush their names together. Clinkeroth.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Let's call them the Triumvirate. Or the Cloud Strife Freakout, featuring Link.
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

I'll second Clinkeroth XD
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 15923895

Top Three?

>.>

I think for Top it should go to 10

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Summer 2004 Contest 29/34 Yoshi vs. Luigi

The Triforce?
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

I like the Triumvirate
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

There might not be a dominant-enough Top Three to give them a title of such yet; Mega Man should show some increase in stock, and I am positive that Samus will get 45% in the Final Four against Cloud or Sephiroth.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I thought we just called them the big three and that was it. Superior Seven sounds better than Super Seven, but Noble Nine still has the best ring to it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Even in Mega Man or Samus increase enough to get 45% on them, that would still leave the big 3 in a league of their own.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Most of the names use alliteration where each word starts with the same sound, not just the same letter. Not like I have any clue what would work for three then though.

And something I was wondering, do you think it would be possible to get Mega Man and X nominated separately? Because they technically aren't the same character.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

The big three works. It's a common term used in many places. Don't try and be cute and mess with it.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

A common term used in many places? I doubt it is used anywhere outside of the confines of Board 8 on gamefaqs.com
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

Mega Man and X technically aren't the same character, but they're so similar and they share practically the same fanbase that I think we'd receive complaints about both of them being in the contest.

CJayC also stated that the name "Mega Man" in the contest represents all versions of him, despite the fact that he has never used any other in the pictures besides the classic Rockman.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The Big Three was used in World War II to refer to the United States, Great Britain, and the Soviet Union. It's definitely not a board 8 exclusive.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

do you think it would be possible to get Mega Man and X nominated separately? Because they technically aren't the same character.

CJayC considers them all to be the same character. Rock, EXE, X, Trigger. All represented through the name Mega Man.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Match XXXIII: (1) Link vs. (8) Ganondorf Review

Link beat Ganondorf, 87.90% - 12.10%

Okay I knew there was going to be SFF, but not this much. This makes Mario vs. Donkey Kong SFF look like it was nothing. Seriously one of the few characters that Link couldn’t double get SFF so much even CATS would beat him I mean that’s major. I guess most of Ganondorf fans are Link fans. Just think if this match was played out last year. Also things look bad for Alucard who got the very bad of this. I think he might end up in the 60’s without the SFF adjustments. Also one perfect bracket got this match wrong. I would laugh at him, but it was the Tidus guy so we know he was a joke. Also this match has become the most predictable match ever for a second round match and I think only Mario might give Link’s prediction a run for its money.

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Summer 2004 Contest 29/34 Yoshi vs. Luigi

despite the fact that he has never used any other in the pictures besides the classic Rockman.

Hopefully that changes in round 3.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Match XXXV: (6) Magus vs. (3) Crono Preview

Past Performances:

Magus: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Magus: 2003

Defeated Sam Fisher, 66.25% - 33.75%
Defeated Ganondorf, 50.30% - 49.70%
Lost to Link, 34.93% - 65.07%
Ranked: 9th

Magus: 2004

Defeated Luca, 81.04% - 18.96%

Crono: 2002

Defeated Simon, 76.78% - 23.22%
Defeated Dante, 66.58% - 33.42%
Defeated Lara, 70.87% - 29.13%
Defeated Solid Snake, 52.93% - 47.07%
Lost to Mario, 49.95% - 50.05%
Ranked: 7th

Crono: 2003

Defeated Tom Nook, 85.81% - 14.19%
Defeated Kefka, 78.92% - 21.08%
Lost to Mario, 49.95% - 50.05%
Ranked: 6th

Crono: 2004

Defeated Conker, 77.99% - 22.01%

Analysis:

We have Magus easily defeating the cult favorite Luca. From the performance of Suikoden II it was kind of expected to happen. We also have Crono doing around what he’s expected to do, but he did just fall short of breaking 78%. That match was also 20 votes away from breaking 80k. Does Crono have this curse where he always fall short of getting somewhere like him barley losing to Mario in the past 2 years.

Well we now have our third SFF match in a row, but at least it won’t be such a huge blowout. This is probably the only match that could stop Mario vs. Crono III from happening again and even then it doesn’t look like it could happen. Well we have the main character of Chrono Trigger going up against the fan-favorite of Chrono Trigger so there could be an upset, but only in GameFAQs I can see Magus losing to Crono.

Well this is one of the upset picks to take in round 2 along with Luigi over Yoshi (already had match) and Master Chief over Frog, but I don’t think that Magus has a big chance of beating Crono. There does also have been talk about reverse SFF on this match, but I don’t think it’s true, but if it was this would be the match for it to happen on. This match could be interesting, but I wouldn’t expect it to be, but I don’t think that Crono would get over 60% against Magus.

Well I see this match starting out in Magus’ favor since the board likes him a lot (remembers when people actually thought that Magus had the best chance of beating Link), but Crono should catch-up as the board votes die off. Also if Magus does win or keeps it near 50/50 I can say that Sephiroth may have a chance of beating Cloud in round 4 and even winning, but even then that would still be a long shot. Well I’m still hoping for another close match before school.

Charmander’s Bracket: Crono

Charmander’s Prediction: Crono wins, 54.61% - 45.39%

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Summer 2004 Contest 29/34 Yoshi vs. Luigi

*slaps Leonhart*

You know I meant for Cloud, Sephiroth, and Link.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

Oh well, it would have been cool anyway.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

If we don't get X in round 3 against Zero, I doubt we'll ever see any other version of Mega Man.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Besides, it might as well be the big two. Link vs FF7 *sigh*
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

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No, I didn't because that's not what Lucid meant when he talked about the big three being a common term.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I can't wait to see tomorrow's picture. It better be awesome.
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"Heh heh...The wind. . .it is blowing."--Ganondorf Dragmire

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b35.jpg

Magus looks a little blurry, and it's kind of hard to read his name. =/
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It's all the Big Bang's fault - it started everything.

http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b36.jpg

Mario looks great!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Bah! Nothing that special.
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"Heh heh...The wind. . .it is blowing."--Ganondorf Dragmire

Crono and Mario both look pretty cool/as cool as they can look. Magus doesn't look as serious as I would like, and Bowser's pic just makes him look mindless with no personality. Not that it matters all that much, but still.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Looks like we got the CT anime pics, after all. It's not that great though.

Mario's picture is awesome, but Bowser looks like crap. I love Mario RPG, but the art style is horrid.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, I think both pictures are way better than Yoshi/Luigi. I doubt either picture will affect the match at all, though.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 32/34
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Yoshi with 53.35%

Magus looks like a joke, jeez. If somebody doesn't know him, they'll see the picture and vote against him haha, he's soooo ugly.

Bowser Mario both look cool I think. Same with crono
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Score: 31/32
Hyrule picks: Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario

Magus = meh

Crono looks squished. I think his pic had to be shortened to fit his hair or something...

I figured that Bowser would get a pic from Mario RPG...it was a strange hunch.

Mario = Best out of the bunch. Very cool pic. He just looks so happy and normal.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

By the way, is that Mario pic from Toadstool Tour? I'm glad CJayC is finally mixing up his selection of pics and picking some he's never used before.

Now that I think about it, Mario RPG Bowser is the best he could get, excepting Mario 64 where he looks awesome. He doesn't look as cool as he used to now. I don't like his look in the recent spinoff games.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

"Superior Seven > Super Seven"

I've already told you people before, the only fair compromise for this idiotic situation is to call them the S Club 7.

Or... shut UP! Really, it's a watse of time to argue that point.

And take this from the person who got in a near violent argument with Ulti during the 2k3 off-season over this matter... I no longer believe Magus should be ranked ahead of Sonic. There was clearly some extenuating circumstance, and should a clean contest be run Sonic would remain ahead of Magus.

Oh, and I like the word triumvirate as well. Good word.
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Bowser in Luigi's Mansion looked pretty good, if I recall correctly.

...

Nevermind, Luigi's Mansion never existed...
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Current Pick: Luigi; Current Vote: Luigi; Points: 33/34
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

By the way, I will no be referring to the Big Three as Clinkeroth. Brilliant idea, that.
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Current Pick: Luigi; Current Vote: Luigi; Points: 33/34
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

Actually, I would be in favor of Clinkeroth myself. It's got a nice ring to it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The Super Seven? Could you people possibly be any worse at coming up with a name?

Or here's a better thought: follow creativename's advice and ditch the idea of elite status like "Noble Nine", "Superior Seven", and so on. It truly is pointless.
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Bowser in Luigi's Mansion looked pretty good, if I recall correctly.

I would agree....I think. I'm a little sketchy on how he looked.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

"Clinkeroth"

.... XD
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Yoshi 54.53% 40000
Luigi 45.47% 33353
TOTAL VOTES 73353

I like it =)
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I will no be

no=now. Nice how one letter can change a sentence. Clinkeroth is hilarious.
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Current Pick: Luigi; Current Vote: Luigi; Points: 33/34
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

Yoshi 54.53% 40000
Luigi 45.47% 33353
TOTAL VOTES 73353

I like it =)

Boo to disappointing vote totals. At least the results are cool, though. >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh yes, almost forgot my reasoning on why I think Magus could beat Mario:

Link vs Mario:

Mario 37.47% 36796
Link 62.53% 61415
TOTAL VOTES 98211

Link vs Magus:

Link 65.07% 72188
Magus 34.93% 38747
TOTAL VOTES 110935

I'm pretty sure that Mario has dropped from 2002 to 2003, and I see no reason why he could not have dropped down even farther this year. His last game that mattered was Super Mario Sunshine. Pair that up with the overall rise in power of every Square character in this contest, and you should theoretically see an increase in Magus' strength from 2003 to 2004. I see no reason why every other character can be doing well, but not him. If Mario goes down a little bit, and you pair that up with Magus going up a little bit, we could see another fly in the bracket! =)

But yeah, I'm aware that there was likely SFF in Link vs Mario, and no, I don't actually think Magus will beat Crono or Mario. But still, allow the inner Magus fanboy in me to roam free, and goddammit, let me dream my dream. We all have our favorite characters that we will stick by despite what these polls will show, and I could care less whether or not Magus wins either match, or gets killed in a massive 75-25 display of SFF by Crono. I am a true fan of his no matter what happens.
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I am a true fan of his no matter what happens.

Now that's the spirit, and probably your best post on the subject of Magus. I like Ness, Kefka, and Laharl. They're all doomed, but I don't care. I'll root and vote for them anyway.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

I used to love Kefka, but not so much anymore. Now I just like him a lot.

Laharl is the other character that I defend no matter what, simply because Disgaea ****ing owns. My second favorite game of all time, and for good reasons which are obvious to anyone who feels the same way.

I haven't played Earthbound yet, but I don't see how any fan of the Smash Brothers series could ever not like Ness. He was damned near unbeatable in the first game, and he isn't as bad as people think in the second one. A buddy of mine went to a tournament in California and made the semifinals with Ness. He lost to a Yoshi player.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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hmmm.. ulti, what do you think about a Snake vs Samus match. I could see that one going either way should they face in the future.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

Yeah. To quote Dream Theater, Ness went "From a God, to God Save Me." Being a Ness player, I have to like the original Smash better. Playing in Dreamland as Ness on the N64 is still my favorite way to play Smash.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

Considering Samus' recent owning of Lara Croft, I would have to give the edge to Samus, with 'edge' being the key word there. Frankly, I love those two characters to death and would not want to see them in a match.

But just in case, you have Metroid Prime, Zero Mission, Metroid Fusion, and Metroid Prime 2 (WITH MULTIPLAYER, FOR CRISSAKES) against The Twin Snakes, Metal Gear Ac!d, and Metal Gear Solid 3. Hypothetically, at least. I would give Samus the edge. Solid Snake is a badass, but Samus simply gets more mainstream exposure (I have yet to see any word of MGS3 on the home page), is a star in the more popular company, and may have gotten more exposure than anyone since the last contest.

You would also have to figure that Metroid Prime 2 comes out before the 2005 contest, and if it lives up to the hype, Samus may be able to beat the likes of Crono, let alone Solid Snake.
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I'd see Samus taking that one with relative ease.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

From: Lucid Faia | Posted: 9/5/2004 1:45:05 AM | Message Detail
Yeah. To quote Dream Theater, Ness went "From a God, to God Save Me." Being a Ness player, I have to like the original Smash better. Playing in Dreamland as Ness on the N64 is still my favorite way to play Smash.

I'm partial to Samus in Sector Z, myself. Then again, it doesn't matter much. I took my bumps and bruises over some friend's houses, and since buying the game for myself, I have yet to lose a multiplayer match. Seriously.
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You would also have to figure that Metroid Prime 2 comes out before the 2005 contest, and if it lives up to the hype, Samus may be able to beat the likes of Crono, let alone Solid Snake.

I think she won't need to wait another year to rank at worst 4th IMO.
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You would also have to figure that Metroid Prime 2 comes out before the 2005 contest, and if it lives up to the hype, Samus may be able to beat the likes of Crono, let alone Solid Snake.

Let's hope the November release date holds up. =)
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Err, I got my ass kicked for weeks before finally giving in and buying it myself. So I had a lot of pre-training training.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Hmm.. I thought you really didnt care for Solid Snake? well atleast you didnt seem like it in some of the MGS2 topics you made. But i do believe once mgs3 comes out snake will be stronger, even though we dont know if it is "solid snake" we play as in mgs3, im sure he will still get a boost even if it ends up not being him really in mgs3 because he looks so much like him.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

Metroid Prime was one of the greatest gaming experiences of my life. I've been all over MP2 and since E3, so I'm praying for that November release to stick as well.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

Oh, how I would love to see Samus place in the top three. Ever since not liking Super Metroid on my first playthrough, I have fallen in love with that girl all over again.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

"I'm partial to Samus"

The rest of your post is unimportant. What is important, however, is that you like the best character in Smash Bros. Wasn't a fan of Samus until SSB, and I got so good with her that my friend who owned the game erased his data and started over because it showed absolute dominance in favor of Samus.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*Plays as Link in Hyrule Castle*

Ah SSB, where a Samus and Link had the most overpowered throws ever.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Heh. Metal Gear Solid 2... other wise known as Metal Gear Raiden. And now we're getting Metal Gear Big Boss.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

And I love Samus. If I had a favorites bracket, she'd be in the finals.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

From: Super Luigi | Posted: 9/5/2004 1:52:03 AM | Message Detail
Hmm.. I thought you really didnt care for Solid Snake? well atleast you didnt seem like it in some of the MGS2 topics you made. But i do believe once mgs3 comes out snake will be stronger, even though we dont know if it is "solid snake" we play as in mgs3, im sure he will still get a boost even if it ends up not being him really in mgs3 because he looks so much like him.

That must have been a misunderstanding. I absolutely love Solid Snake. Even better is reading all the pre-MGS mission data and such, then playing through MGS. The events of Shadow Moses lead right into the events of MGS2, and they even throw pre-MGS2 readings into the game, just in case you feel like being sucked into MGS2 before you even play it. I like Raiden, and I honestly do think Raiden could whip Snake in a fight, but the fact that you play through MGS2 seeing Snake in the light in which you see him makes the game even better. I would call very few games perfect, but MGS2 is one of them. From the music, to the characters, to the nostalgia..... everything is placed perfectly in that game. Screw those idiots who think it's overrated, for I understood everything Kojima was trying to get across. That game was so well-done that it was scary.
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I got so good with her that my friend who owned the game erased his data and started over because it showed absolute dominance in favor of Samus.

Heh, we would have a good Samus vs Samus duel. She owns in that game. In fact, the only problem I ever have with her is against a Fox.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I found Samus to be much better in SSB:M than in SSB.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

I played as Samus so little that I hardly noticed changes between the two. I noticed changes for Link, Fox, Ness, and Kirby the most. HAL screwed Kirby and Ness >_> <_<.
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In my favorites bracket the finalists are likely Alucard vs. Seph, and Alucard faces a real hellish road to get there... Link, Luigi, Crono, Kefka and then he finally meets Seph. Seph, on the other hand, Has the closest possible matchup against Vivi and his matches get easier from there. Nothing of note until Terry who actually had a harder time than Seph... Dante is no push over in my favorites bracket, and Samus pulls a lot of weight as well, though she has the least of all names mentioned.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yea mgs2 is one of my favorite games along with metroid prime and silent hill 1, i kinda like mgs2 more than mgs1, but thats just me. anyways, do you exspect the snake/megaman match to be closer than what it was last year? or no.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

*uses Kirby and Ness in SSB*
I think they're the best characters...
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Yep. Kirby was my favotire, along with Pika and Yoshi in SSB.

Then Kirby became so much worse in SSB:M. I was still good with him. Pika was pretty much the same, and I think Yoshi got worse.

Good thing God aka Ganondorf was in it. Best. Character. Ever.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Yoshi vs. Luigi - Bracket: Yoshi - Vote: Yoshi (32/34)

Good thing God aka Ganondorf was in it. Best. Character. Ever.

I didn't know he was actually your favorite. Wow. No wonder you were so upset yesterday. =(

I actually liked the incredibly overpowered throws in SSB. It was fun. ^_^
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The swords were also more fun to throw in ssb, and ray guns seemed to be better too, I don't know about everyone else, but I like playing with items, they're a nice addition to the game. and I used Yoshi and Jigglypuff, and kept those two for melee, and in addition use Captain Falcon, Marth, and Bowser. That's such a great game right there, it really lived up to and excelled ssb.
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Yea mgs2 is one of my favorite games along with metroid prime and silent hill 1

That's funny, when I read Ultimaterializer's line "That game was so well-done that it was scary", it instantly made me think of Silent Hill 1.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 32/34
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Yoshi with 53.35%

Snake/Mega closer than last year? Maybe, but not by much.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I don't actually think Magus will beat Crono or Mario.

Well, I was going to respond to all that above and then I got to this so I decided not too. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Pair that up with the overall rise in power of every Square character in this contest

Where does that come from? It seems to have been the opposite so far, other than Auron and Crono. Nintendo, on the other hand, has been doing much better than usual. Link > Cloud against Cats, Mario actually scoring a blowout, Ness making Jak look like Ratchet, Luigi dominating against Pac-Man, Samus dominating against Lara, etc. Nintendo's lookin' better than ever.

Snake/Mega closer than last year? Maybe, but not by much.

How about, maybe not.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Nintendo, on the other hand, has been doing much better than usual.

Didn't most people think this in the spring, as well?
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I was reading the past Stat Topics earlier this week, and I noticed that people thought that Square looked a lot stronger in 2003. I obviously couldn't tell how much of a consensus it was, but it seemed like people agreed on that.
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"How about, maybe not."

How about, it will be? lol.
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

Square did look much stronger in 2003 than they have so far.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

How about, "Wait until their performances this round before worrying about it?"

^_~
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"Didn't most people think this in the spring, as well?"

Yea, Heroic Mario did. :)

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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

How about, it will be? lol.

Nah. It won't be anywhere near as close as last year. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Megaman wont win it all, Sephiroth will :)
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"Only The Snake is the true hero!" - Metal Gear Solid 3.

Didn't most people think this in the spring, as well?

Isn't it a bit different, because we know that they are going above what they are expected to based on two years of contests?

In the Spring, it was more about speculation; no one knew 100% whether Nintendo games were doing that much better than Square. Or at least I didn't know for certain. >_> <_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
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Megaman wont win it all, Sephiroth will :)

No, Clinkeroth will win. Clinkeroth is unstoppable. =).

And if HM is somehow right, Clinkeroth will become "Mega Clinkeroth." =D
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
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People are actually using Clinkeroth now? Happy day! ^_^
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Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

I am at least. It's much more entertaining than "The Big Three." I actually want Mega Man to do what HM thinks he will, just so I can talk about "Mega Clinkeroth." XD

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Samus may show that she wants in on Clinkeroth too.
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Mega Clinkerothmus?
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There was an error with your registration: User Name 'Clinkeroth' has already been created as a new (but not yet activated) account. Please select a different name

:(
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

XD
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Only 43% had Yoshi winning that one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yet again I make my way toward the top 50. I need somewhere around 80 more brackets to fall in order to crack it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And only 9 perfects left. Hopefully someone decided to take a risk on this match >_> <_<.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
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Looks like Leonheart was wrong :-P
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Summer Contest (35/36) (30th): Today: Crono

I just want ulti to know, that magus took a 4-0 lead.

This isn't as close as I was hoping it'd be :-/
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Score: 31/32
Hyrule picks: Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario

So much for this even being close. Crono out to a 65% lead right now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

well, maybe we expected to much out of Magus, wasn't Crono expected to get 55% without sff? I mean if more people liked Magus than Crono, he would have done as good as Crono, which he didn't. I have 65 something in the oracle, so I'm happy, I've never liked Magus, contest wise that is, ever since he beat Ganon, in an update topic that I still remember.
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I just noticed that we're getting four straight matches of SFF. Fun.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

As for tomorrow's match. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Mario got 84-86% even on Bowser.

Can someone answer the question I asked a little ways up? Sorry. >>
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm in a good mood right now! :-) I just went out drinking with three fine girls and got in with all three of them! Why am I posting this? Maybe it's the liquor talking... <_<

In Super Smash Bros., I was best with Samus and Kirby although I was pretty good with everybody. In SSBM, Young Link is my superior character. He owns in so many ways. After unlocking him, I hardly ever touch Adult Link again. Young Link's speed gives him so much of an advantage. And his downward thrust is downright unfair. He was the first person I beat Event 51 with.

And this match? I could care less..... I'll just say that Magus is superior to every other person in Chrono Trigger. But I like Crono a lot as well, if only for his character model and the way he kicks ass in battle. I do agree in questioning his character, such as why does Marle fall for him, and why in his right mind would King Guardia hand Crono the kingdom? Beats me.... Ah well. Bring on Round 3 please!
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Bowser's picture certainly looks bad enough to entice people to vote for Mario, and after Link/Ganondorf, I wouldn't doubt anything.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

This is why Ganon and Magus are not Noble Nine material. Anybody who can be SFF'd this badly is not elite.

Sephiroth can handle his SFF. Magus can't.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

You can argue that Sephiroth has his own dedicated set of fans as compared to the likes of Ganondorf/Magus, who feed off of their games/main protagonists fans.

This is making Sephiroth's performance in the finals last year look even more admirable.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Yes. Just like me - I wouldn't be caught dead voting for Cloud (Unless he was facing off against Quina or something) but I vote Sephiroth a lot.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

If Sephiroth has his own fans, then Magus SHOULD and DOES have his own fans. Comparing him to Ganon/Link makes no sense! I don't mean to bash you, but Magus means FAR more to the story than Ganon does in the Zelda series. Ganon simply was the bad guy at the end until they developed him more in OoT and Wind Waker.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Is it possible that there wasn't SFF in Cloud vs. Sephiroth?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I never said Magus doesn't have his own set of dedicated fans. I stated that like Ganondorf, he tends to feed off the game/protagonist's fans during matches against other characters, thus raising his strength.

This is why Ganon and Magus are not Noble Nine material. Anybody who can be SFF'd this badly is not elite.

Absolutely. After these sorry performances, the only way Ganon or Magus can get into the noble nine is by beating a noble nine character next year.
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Hmph.

I never said Magus doesn't have his own set of dedicated fans. I stated that like Ganondorf, he tends to feed off the game/protagonist's fans during matches against other characters, thus raising his strength.

Zelda's probably just as bad....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Crono finally reached 66%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The SFF is making Crono look like Link...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

well, which link, normal Link, or I can beat Cloud with 81% of the vote Link?

ha, too bad it is sff in both cases though
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Proof that there is SFF >_>

I'd love to see crono win it all
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KolMartin

I hope a couple of perfects took Magus and then a few 35 pointers did the same. I must get on the leaderboard.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Out of curiosity.

Does anyone out there actually count Crono as their favorite character ever?
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Hmph.

I think SythaWarrior has him as his favorite character.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

well, which link, normal Link, or I can beat Cloud with 81% of the vote Link?

ha, too bad it is sff in both cases though

Just comparing it to Link's performance against Magus in 2003. And I know it is SFF, I'm just pointing it out.

Out of curiosity.

Does anyone out there actually count Crono as their favorite character ever?

I think Lord of Dabu does, or at least has him up there.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Crono isn't my favorite character, but he is my favorite from Chrono Trigger. Cyan Garamonde is my favorite character ever.

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

Cyan Garamonde is my favorite character ever.

Cyan from FFVI? He might've had a cool story, but he sucked ass in battle. >_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

My favorite characters list is where it's at.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hmm.

Bah. I'll never understand why anyone would like a character in an RPG with no clear cut personality or speaking lines. I'm not saying you're all wrong about liking Crono, it just goes against everything I know as a writer/reader.
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Hmph.

Up over 67% for Crono.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Ugh.. Magus shouldn't be doubled. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It sucks, but I'm not surprised.
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ARROWED

Wow, I never expected SFF to be THIS bad. Magus was close to Crono in the first place...imagine how badly Frog would lose to Crono.

Bowser, please do better than what DK did.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Mega Clinkerothmus?

I like the sound of "Sephirmus Clinkman", myself.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 32/34
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Yoshi with 53.35%

Out of curiosity.

Does anyone out there actually count Crono as their favorite character ever?

No, but in this contest he makes my top 3 (Mega Man and Vivi being the other two). I'm not sure who my favorite character ever is... probably Mint from Dewprism.

The one good thing about these huge SFF blowouts we're having is that cjayc might get the hint that they make for boring matches.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 34/36
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Crono with 57.21%

Know how I put CT as an overrated game, blah blah?

Magus is my 8th favorite character ever.

But hey, I hate Frog, so whatever.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

The only characters from the same game that can go at it without major SFF is Cloud and Seph it seems.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Magus with 32%... eww, this is NOT good. He's losing 15 points to SFF, the same DK did to Mario.

Bowser's pic sucks, too. If Magus can't even come close, tomorrow's match could be ugly as well.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

Top 50, its about time, I never thought I'd get on it after Shadow lost. And ouch Magus is getting a beating.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 35/36
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Yeah, well, Crono massacred my favorite character with SFF last year, and he's doing the same to my second favorite this year.

...I pray to God Crono isn't pit against Samus next year.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

Seeing how people were mentioning Samus and favourites brackets earlier, Samus goes out in the last 4 in my favourites bracket, same as my normal bracket. Except instead of going out to Sephiroth, she goes out to Duke.
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Jon Thomson - today: Luigi, tomorrow: Crono - 28/34
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

*still believes that Reverse SFF can happen with Auron/Tidus*

Assuming that Auron doesn't end up stronger then Tidus in the stats....
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Yuber lives in Pennslyvania...watching...

1) Auron has to face Sephiroth in the Sweet Sixteen; he'll end up alot lower than Tidus.

2) Holy crap. Board hype made me believe in reverse SFF today, and look what I get in return.

3) I'd LOVE a Crono/Samus match, personally.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Well I only missed 1 so far.. so I'm doing pretty good.

I am HOPING that Frog can beat Master Chief, and that Liquid Snake was just overestimated in this contest. The only other problems I see are Link vs Cloud Strife in the finals. Link crushed Ganondorf, so maybe he could win, and 32 points is too much to miss.
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KolMartin

Who exactly is the Noble Nine?
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SC2k4: 33/36 (R1: Shadow, Viewtiful Joe, Jill).
Today's Pick: Crono

Link crushing Ganondorf means jack squat. Think about it for a second... out of Ganondorf, Magus, Bowser and Sephiroth, Ganondorf clearly has the worst case of fanbase leeching. He doesn't stand out any, except for the fact that he's from Zelda. The other three have so much more going for them.

Down below 31% now... Crono breaking 70% is very possible. Ugh.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

Seph, Cloud, Link
Mario, Crono, MegaMan
Solid Snake, Samus, Sonic

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Cold hearted orb, that rules the night; Remove the colors from my sight; Red is grey, and yellow white; but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion

Hmmm, all I can say is that Mario better do better against Bowser than Crono is doing against Magus. Although I would hate that because I genuinely like Bowser better. Plus he has the Koopalings... XD His theme music rocks as well (SMB3 boss battle/SMRPG opening fight with Mario). I hope his performance in Paper Mario 2 draws as many fans as he did in SMRPG. I didn't like how he was dumbed down in Paper Mario.

We need to start dedicating a theme song to each matchup for the person that will lose. *plays Magus's theme* Let me go find a link to the Bowser music....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Looks like Tidus is gonna be in the Top 10 Extrapolated Standings without Adjustment.

Oh and I guess reverse SFF doesn't exist. If it wasn't gonna happen now, it's never gonna happen.
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"Maaaaaaario."--Luigi Mario

This would be what I have dubbed the HVF working its magic. After this division, I christen the HVF a viable variable. Booyah. Poor Luca Blight. My favorite villain is going to be treated like a virigin on prom night by the un-HVF adjusted X-Sts.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Moltar's Thoughts on: Magus vs. Crono

Fool me once, same on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Even after seeing the SFF in Link/Ganon, I still thought Crono would hover with around 60% at most. But he's pushing 70%? Fooled by SFF again. So what does this mean? No more underestimating the power of SFF. Mario will own Bowser (80-20 at least), Seph will own Vivi (80-20 at least), Link could own Yoshi (80-20), etc.

At least Magus has his own fanbase, unlike Ganon...
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

Oh, and I'll admit it. The Magus vote was a pity vote. =P
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

Hyrule Division: Round 1 - Match 36 – (7)Bowser vs. (2)Mario

Moltar’s Analysis

Bowser - Ever wondered who took those cookies from the cookie jar?

Round 1 – vs. Guybrush (Bowser: 82.99% - Guybrush: 17.01%)

Aww, this was supposed to be one of the biggest blowouts of Round 1. Unfortunately, Bowser didn’t quite get the numbers most of us wanted.

Mario - Who’s his baby’s mama?

Round 1 – vs. JC Denton (Mario: 83.54% - JC: 16.46%)

Was also supposed to be a huge blowout, but all we get is a decent Mario performance. Oh well…

Mario stood in front of the final door in the enormous Castle. His palms are a bit sweaty, nervous about what lies behind it. He reaches his hand out and clamps the golden knob, twisting it slowly. His legs begin to tremble as he flings the door open. “Gotta be strong Mario, gotta be strong.” He repeats this over and over in his head as he cautiously takes a step forward. The dark room he has entered is not a part of the Castle though. “I must have stumbled into another dimension, this possibly couldn’t be a part of the castle.” He takes a few more steps forward, and begins to here a small rumbling sound from underneath his feet. He’s looks down and sees he is on a bridge made of molten rock, and it is beginning to crumble. His heart jumps as he races across the crumbling bridge, not wanting to fall to his death. Just as it looks like it’s over for our lovable hero, he takes one final jump, a jump that will decide his fate. He lands on his feet and slowly turns around. Nothing….the entire bridge was gone and he had just made it by a few inches. He wipes the sweat off of his forehead, thankful to be alive. Suddenly, a sound, much like a light switch being turned on, is heard. Mario now notices he is trapped on an island of hard, molten rock. Surrounding the island is nothing but burning hot lava, fire and brimstone shooting out of the orange liquid. He then slowly heads toward the center of the island as he sees a shadowy figure in the distance. As he gets closer, the figure begins to speak.

“Welcome to my lair, Mario. Welcome…to HELL!”

The figure emerges from its shadows, and reveals himself to be none other than Bowser, Mario’s biggest rival. “Mario, I have let you into my trap. Now I have got you, and there is nowhere to run. Your end is near!” Mario looks up at Bowser, not in fear, but with confidence. He isn’t afraid and won’t be backing down. “HAHAHA! Mario, I don’t plan to fight you. I do plan to destroy you though. We will play a game…and the game is….BLACKJACK!” Mario’s eyes open wide, as his look of confidence has quickly turned into fear.

“But Bowser…you can’t! I’ve never been good at Black Jack . It’s been my worst game since I’ve started.”

“Silence! We will play, and the loser will be swallowed by the lava, and never seen again!”

Bowser heads over to the table, a good feeling of victory brewing inside him. Mario, on the other hand, heads over slowly, knowing that Bowser probably has him beat. Both sit down and the dealer, who bears a striking resemblance to a Koopa, deals the cards. Bowser looks at his cards first, a 6 and a 4….The Evil Turtle thinks for a bit, before uttering the words, “Hit me.” The dealer slides Bowser a card, and Bowser slowly picks it up. A King. “HAHAHA! Yes! Mario, your time is up! In 2002, you got past Crono and Cloud…CLOUD! Argh, I still remember the 70-30 thrashing he gave me…before falling to Link. In 2003, you beat Shadow, and somehow got past Crono again, before falling to Sephiroth. Heh. This year, I saw your match with JC Denton, a very worthy opponent.” Mario cringes, not wanting to remember his colossal battle against JC. “But I, I had to face…Guybrush Threepwood!” Bowser’s voice echoes through out the lava filled room, as the dealer almost faints from hearing the name of the man from Monkey Island. “I am now stronger than ever, and I will prove that to you right after you make your move Mario.”

Mario slowly looks down at his cards, before placing them in his hand. A Queen and a 10. “Oh no. I’m trapped. Bowser probably has 20 too, and I don’t want to think of what crazy thing he has planned if we tie.” Sweat begins to run down Mario’s forehead, knowing that the next card he draws will decide the fate of the world. Bowser sits opposite him, patient and confident, like a true bad guy. Mario slowly mutters, “Hit me…” The dealer slides the card in front of Mario, face down. Our hero’s breathing begins to quicken, as does his pulse. He slowly places his hand on the card as Bowser throws down his 20 on the table, already confident in his victory. Just before Mario flips over his card, a deep voice echoes inside him. “Mario, this game is important. If you don’t win, Bowser will destroy the world, and we can not allow that to happen. To beat Bowser, you need to believe in the heart of the cards. You need to believe in yourself, Mario, because if you do, you can do anything…” The voice stops and Mario slowly flips over his card…the Ace of Spades…Mario throws down his cards…he got 21…he won.

“WHHHHHAT! NO! IMPOSSIBLE! You cheated! You never win at Black Jack! This is unbelievable!”

Mario responds, “No Bowser. I knew I was going to win all along. You relied on blind luck, while I relied on the heart of the cards, and my friends….Luigi, Yoshi, Peach…I was playing for them. We beat you together!” The rock under Bowser’s chair begins to crumble as he screams out a final, “NOOOOOOOOOO!” as he falls into the lava. The Koopa hands Mario his prize, a star, and he is teleported back outside the castle, where his friends greet him.



…And that’s how the final boss fight will go in Super Mario 402: Dueling for Destiny. Now onto my predictions…wait, that doesn’t qualify as an Analysis?…And the story sucked!? C’MON! I might not be the best fic writer in the world, but that was at least half-decent! Oh well…I guess I should just stick to my day job then, writing analyses. You people…I swear…nothing pleases you.

Mario should have this match won pretty easily. I mean, without Mario, there would be no Bowser. The only way I see a Bowser victory happening is if reverse SFF appears. It hasn’t happened ever before…and there is a .01% chance of it happening here. Mario wins and moves on to the Sweet 16. The match itself should play out a lot like Link/Ganondorf, except I think Bowser has his own little set of fans.

Moltar’s Bracket Says:Mario will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Bowser 20% - Mario 80%



Ulti's Analysis

Link vs Ganondorf, the Diet Coke version. I'm honestly hoping we see the exact same percentages, just for laughter's sake.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Mario/Mario with 69.27%



Cena’s Analysis

And Ceej pulls another fast one. Bowser is Elite 8 material, if against the right opponents, but lookee here. Honestly, for an all-Nintendo battle, I don't think it'll be that close. Bowser is nowhere near as liked as Mario. Say what you want, but this should be a pretty good win for the plumber. Just another win against the fire-breathing tortoise is all it is. I'm not sure who the statistics favour here, but I'm leaning towards Bowser. Not like it matters, because the SFF will give Mario complete domination. There's really no need for analysis anyhow, because this whole match is a gimmick.

Cena’s Vote: Mario

Cena’s Prediction: Mario with 79% (No comment)

Magus does not deserve this....
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I must move on. I wanted to say I was sorry. Please forgive me, wherever you are.

Magus is horrendously abused by SFF (easily noted because Crono is doing better than Link =P)

What sorta SFF will Bowser get annihilated by? Will it be nearly as bad as Link vs. Ganondorf?
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I am the Angel of Death. The day of purification has come.

I just hope Squall is not slaughtered by SFF against Cloud....I'll be happy if Squall can pull 30%.

I bet they have different fanbases, so the SFF should not be nearly as extreme...
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 34/36 (Yoshi) Pick: Crono over Magus

Bowser will probably get in the 20-25% range.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

"Crono is doing better than Link"

Which is as it should be.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Man...when I voted for Magus this morning, I expected a finish of 60/40 for Crono...never saw this coming. This is just rude. Oh well, go Crono. Two more points for me.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

I hate SFF. First Ganondorf, now Magus, next Bowser, Vivi, and Zero. Damn.
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Current Pick: Crono; Current Vote: Magus; Points: 33/36
SFF, yo!

The SFF is just killing me. So many matches ahead filled with it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

9 perfects remain, eh? We know one of them has Vivi winning it all. We also know another one has Ryu taking down Sonic. And from another topic I read, a 3rd has Tommy defeating Zero. What does this all mean? A good chance we, yet again, will not see a perfect bracket. Though personally I think 190 or 191 is very likely.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Advent Children is going to kick so, so much ass.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Looks like Alucard and probably Guybrush will have some company in the form of Luca Blight, too.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

Man, the stats this year will be useless...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Indeed. The fact that it was applauded at Venice surprised me....

And with the invitation to Montreal, more info...
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" I won't be just a memory...."- Sephiroth, FF VII:AC

Just comparing it to Link's performance against Magus in 2003. And I know it is SFF, I'm just pointing it out.

lol, I knew you were, I was just kidding : )

I guess if these past two sff matches tell us anything, its that Mario could crush Bowser greater than Cloud did. which would also be pretty funny. all things considered though, it is huge sff, but its not on the Link/Ganon scale, or at least, Magus still is doing much better than Ganon.
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Crono's slowly inching toward 70%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

No more underestimating the power of SFF. Mario will own Bowser (80-20 at least), Seph will own Vivi (80-20 at least), Link could own Yoshi (80-20), etc.

Nah, SFF only seems to be extreme in the case where both characters are from the same game. Link only got minimal SFF against Mario and Samus (from what we can tell), so I can't imagine him sapping Yoshi dry. Mario would, but not Link. Sephiroth's matches against Vivi and Auron both ought to be around 75/25 or so. Some SFF, but not too much.

From the looks of this, I guess that means Tidus probably would SFF Auron to death as well. Heh, how strange would it be to see Tidus appear stronger than Cloud? Before people start giving me all these reasons why it wouldn't happen, I'll state that they're probably all similar to why Crono couldn't do it to Magus.

Mega Man-Zero ought to be another SFF slaughterhouse as well. Heroic Mario might get the extreme numbers he's looking for, but they'll probably be exaggerated by SFF. Wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pass it off as the Blue Bomber's true strength though. ;)
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud-Sephiroth also is definitely the exception and not the rule. That was part of the reason I didn't expect Crono to beat Magus half to death, but looks like I was wrong.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yeah, I think this here match is enough proof FOR ME that Tidus would treat Auron just like a ho. I really, really want to see the match, just for proof, but this is fan favorite badass versus fence-sitting protagonist, and it is probably going to be 70/30 by the time I finish posting this message.

Also I cannot imagine Vivi and Auron getting SFF-ed to hell and back by Sephiroth. I think Vivi should be able to put up 25-30%, and Auron somewhere around 30%. After seeing how Vivi manhandled DK, I really wish he would have gotten a better draw. Because using the DK=Vercetti theory, then Vivi would be expected to get what, 42+% on Solid Snake? Those kind of numbers are what upset dreams are made of.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Cloud/Seph and Link/Samus certainly look like anomalies now, what with the mad crazy SFF in matches this year (Link/Ganondorf and Crono/Magus), and SFF from matches last year (Crono/Kefka?, Cloud/Auron?).

Today pretty much kills reverse SFF, anyhow. If it doesn't happen to Magus against Crono, it doesn't happen to anybody.
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Current Pick: Crono; Current Vote: Magus; Points: 33/36
SFF, yo!

Cyan from FFVI? He might've had a cool story, but he sucked ass in battle. >_<

Cyan didn't suck in battle when you used him properly. Of course, he'll never compare to the likes of Terra, Edgar, and Sabin, but since I have him in my party constantly, simply because he is my favorite, he comes real close in games I'm playing. He may not be the strongest relatively speaking, but at end-game he'll still tear apart every enemy in the game. And if you use glitches, Cyan is actually the most powerful character, bar none.

And besides, he's just cool. I love his character and his story. And his quotes just rock.

The world before the fall
Delightful is the light of dawn
Noble is the heart of man

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

Cloud/Auron SFF wasn't THAT bad, actually. Crono/Kefka is still a little weird though. Luigi doubles up Pac-Man and makes it look like there was no SFF. Then Kefka performs like there was some against Knuckles. Luigi still loses to Yoshi, so he wasn't really just that much more powerful than we thought.

Either way, neither of those two matches even come close to the level of SFF we've seen in Link/Ganon and Crono/Magus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I know I shouldn't care. But to be honest, this is the most horrible thing I've ever seen. I can accept Crono winning, that's not a problem. But treating Magus is this way...

My god, Ceej might not even let Magus in next year. NOOOOO!!
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Will the White Wolf get his we... er, revenge this week? It's Luca Blight versus Riou Genkaku at www.rpgdl.com!

Cloud/Auron and Crono/Kefka are confusing, hence the ? marks next to them. I still don't know what to make of Link/Samus, either. SFF is much nicer when it's obvious. ;)
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Current Pick: Crono; Current Vote: Magus; Points: 33/36
SFF, yo!

CJayC doesn't really have that much of a say whether Magus gets into the contest or not if he gets enough nominations. Plus, if someone like Ryo can get in for 3 straight years, there's no way he'd intentionally withhold Magus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

None of the characters who would've been affected by Link/Samus SFF have performed like there was any (Squall, Luigi, KOS-MOS, Crash).
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Due to the SFF, I think that Vyse can be Clouds thoughest opponent before Sephiroth, or maybe it's Duke Milkem.
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .34/36

My god, Ceej might not even let Magus in next year. NOOOOO!!

It's all about the nominations, anyway. Look at Aeris.

Magus is so much better than Crono. This is as painful as seeing Goku beat Vegeta.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Cloud will NOT SFF Squall to death. I guarantee it. There's no way he breaks 80% on Squall. You people are letting this mass SFF get out of hand. Characters from the same game has a fanbase that overlaps WAY more than two from a different game, hence extreme SFF.

Cloud's numbers against Squall should look similar to what he did to Auron last year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

None of the characters who would've been affected by Link/Samus SFF have performed like there was any (Squall, Luigi, KOS-MOS, Crash).

Except Samus herself. And I don't think we can evaluate Luigi's strength properly, what with Pac Man being so weird.
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Current Pick: Crono; Current Vote: Magus; Points: 33/36
SFF, yo!

Samus's performance can be properly explained by factors other than SFF (returning to 2002 levels + Prime, Lara Croft with a big drop-off). We won't really know where she stands until round 3.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud will NOT SFF Squall to death. I guarantee it. There's no way he breaks 80% on Squall. You people are letting this mass SFF get out of hand. Characters from the same game has a fanbase that overlaps WAY more than two from a different game, hence extreme SFF.

Cloud's numbers against Squall should look similar to what he did to Auron last year.

Agreed. Squall is too strong to get completely raped by anyone.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

The stats will be hilarious to read this year. XD

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"Those who can't, emulate." - MegaPowerNinja
Official World Record Holder: Solstice, Super Mario World

Well, Squall is the strongest character in his own game, so he would have no opportunity to suffer an extreme case of SFF. Two characters stronger than him have already suffered majorly in the last 3 days.

...Please let Cloud-Squall be the exception to the rule and let Squall have SOME reverse SFF to make it look respectable.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yeah, there's so much SFF here that I don't think we'd ever be able to sort it all out. I'm not sure that there's much point in stats this year at all.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Define raped. Cauz I think 75-25=raped. So what does that say about Tanner? <shudders>
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Well, Squall is the strongest character in his own game, so he would have no opportunity to suffer an extreme case of SFF. Two characters stronger than him have already suffered majorly in the last 3 days.

Still, I'd be surprised if Squall fell under 25%.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

I meant completely raped, as in Ganondorf raped.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Tanner was gang raped. By one man.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Noted... but I think getting tripled in the sweet 16 is about as raped as it comes. Unless, of course, Ganondorf would have gotten the 4 seed and Luigi the 8, in which case that sweet 16 match would have bordered on a young link, dark link and adult link gangbang.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Dang, I just voted and Magus is getting raped!! Wow..

Anyways, about Cloud-Squall matchup.. There's no way Cloud could break 80% on Squall.. The only way that's possible was if Cloud and Squall were in the same game (NOT Kingdom Hearts) .. Squall is just too strong and has a pretty good fanbase behind him, he will not be raped by anyone that badly..

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I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks

I would kind of enjoy 80% victories for Cloud until the Elite 8.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I would enjoy an 80% Cloud victory in the elite 8, personally... =)
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Noted... but I think getting tripled in the sweet 16 is about as raped as it comes.

Again, there's Ganondorf...he set a new bar for raping, in my opinion, one that I don't think Squall will be able to match. Bowser might try, though.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

I'm going to pretend you didn't say that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Mega Man-Zero ought to be another SFF slaughterhouse as well. Heroic Mario might get the extreme numbers he's looking for, but they'll probably be exaggerated by SFF. Wouldn't be surprised if he tried to pass it off as the Blue Bomber's true strength though. ;)

Heh. Depends on how extreme. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I said that probably for no other reason than the fact I'm still in tears about how good Advent Children will be. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

What *I* think will be interesting is how Cloud's overperformance will stack up with Sephiroth's...in fact, their meeting might be the only thing we can use to bring sanity to the stats in that division.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

As am I, but that still gives you no excuse to say such things. I would have a mental breakdown if that happened.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cloud get above 80% on Squall, Solid Snake got something like 75% on Squall.
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I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." .34/36

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cloud get above 80% on Squall, Solid Snake got something like 75% on Squall.

Do not compare pre-KH Squall to post-KH Squall.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cloud get above 80% on Squall, Solid Snake got something like 75% on Squall.

65% on pre-KH Squall, who was still pretty strong anyway.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, I wouldn't mind if it happened myself. Cloud's one of my favorite characters and Squall is well... not. So, an SFF raping would be somewhat nice to see. I can imagine you not liking it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

From the fanboy who loves his hero...
To the cosplayer dressed in garb...
For gamers near and gamers far...
Who take this contest close to heart...
Well now its time to mock thee...
For satire is my game...
Read this thread and you will see...
Steve Illumina Speaks!

Yep folks, I am BACK! More irreverent than ever...prepared to bash all that the elites, newbies, and casuals hold dear, all in the name of mockery and self glorification, while wishing all along for nothing more than leaderboard adulation and reverence for the hallowed name of Steve Illumina...

So without further adieu...I shall speak!

Round XXXVI: Bowser vs Mario

Bracket: Mario
Preference: Mario
Guest Elite Pick of the Day: HEROIC MARIO
Mario's Pick: Mario duh!
Oracle %: 78.06 in favor of Mario
Prophet: 26752 votes...
Would Rather Pick: Cheep Cheep!
Brackets Above Me to Fall: 480 (Was 762 yesterday!)

Comments: The one who beats down wimpy pirates and nerdy earthy heroes takes on the one he can never bash...the King himself.

I am bored. This division is so predictable it is a snore. These SFF matchups are as lame as an old man with a cane. They are as boring as watching paint dry, grass grow, and fat kids eat Milky Way bars and get the caramel all over their chins! Seriously...these matches are a downer.

Since they are just THAT bad...no satire today! Or maybe, that is the real satire in it all...you figure it out, math kids!

Moving right along now...to the Analysis!

Results: As predictable as Michael Jackson's innocence! Mario over Bowser by 75-25 split or more.

Quotes: "Boom Boom Boom Boom!" -Bowser, "Itsa me...uh..who am I again?" -Mario
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 9 SC2K4: 35/38 (Go FROG!)

Personally, I think Cloud and Squall both suck, and the only raping I'm looking forward to is Vivi's (DIE FFIX DIE!) but then I have to see Auron get served in the next round...
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

I love Cloud and all, but he doesn't even compare to Squall in terms of character, development, dynamics, and those other important RPG character qualities.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And neither Cloud nor Squall compare to any decent characters in terms of character, development, dynamics, and those other important RPG character qualities.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Yeah, they don't compare to decent characters because Cloud and Squall are far above them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heh. Nice. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud and Squall are two of my favorite characters and it just wouldn't be good to see Cloud rape Squall, but it won't happen so it's all good and dandy..

I wouldn't be surprised to see Cloud get above 80% on Squall, Solid Snake got something like 75% on Squall.

65% on pre-KH Squall, who was still pretty strong anyway.

If Solid Snake vs. Squall matchup were ever to come up again, I say it'll be around 61-39 in favor of Snake

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I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks

Yeah, they don't compare to decent characters because Cloud and Squall are far above them.

Yes, in terms of sucking, Cloud and Squall both manage to beat many other RPG characters.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

RPG arguments are fun to watch...
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Yeah, they don't compare to decent characters because Cloud and Squall are far above them.

I Highly Agree

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I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks

RPG arguments are fun to watch...

Yes, they are. Too bad we're arguing about characters, since they are far easier to judge than entire games. I liked FFVII, but damned if I didn't want Sephiroth to beat all those bastard losers he was fighting against and I was forced to play as.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

I think Squall will be tripled by Cloud, give or take a percent.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I'm ready to re-witness Cloud's ass kicking of Sephiroth.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Except for Vincent, of course. Vincent was cool, and actually had some involvement in the story, despite being an optional character.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Cloud and Squall both manage to beat many other RPG characters.

Cloud alone could beat anyone in the contest while Squall could deal quite a good deal of damage to many characters in the contest which just shows how popular they are. And being that popular proves that many people like them because of their "exquisite" qualities as a video game charcter. Overall Cloud & Squall > most/all characters

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I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks

I'm ready to re-witness Cloud's ass kicking of Sephiroth.

I wouldn't call a victory of 1.89% an "ass kicking."
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

I wouldn't call a victory of 1.89% an "ass kicking."

It was more in reference to AC. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud alone could beat anyone in the contest while Squall could deal quite a good deal of damage to many characters in the contest which just shows how popular they are. And being that popular proves that many people like them because of their "exquisite" qualities as a video game charcter. Overall Cloud & Squall > most/all characters

Popular =/= better. Thank you and good day.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

I'm ready to re-witness Cloud's ass kicking of Sephiroth

It's definitely no ass-kicking but it will be a repeat.

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I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks

If Solid Snake vs. Squall matchup were ever to come up again, I say it'll be around 61-39 in favor of Snake

So you're saying Snake is stronger than Samus? She was only able to beat Squall 58-42 last year. I think Squall could get as much as 47% on Snake now.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

It was more in reference to AC. ;)

As long as Voldemort manages to kill Harry at the end of Book Seven, I'll be able to withstand all sorts of atrocities inflicted upon Sephiroth, Vegeta, Albedo, and all the other villains and semi-villains who deserve to win. Come on, Voldemort! You can do it!
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Of course, he'll never compare to the likes of Terra, Edgar, and Sabin, but since I have him in my party constantly, simply because he is my favorite, he comes real close in games I'm playing.

I was comparing him to Terra and Celes, yes. Sabin isn't that good either - the Blitz's are dependent on MPower and he isn't that strong in that area. By the time you get the stronger Blitz's, you can deal more or as much damage normally as you can with him. Edgar kicks ass in WoB. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I must say.. looking at the results of today's contest.. that Link's in for a fight when he takes on Crono in the division finals.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

I must say.. looking at the results of today's contest.. that Link's in for a fight when he takes on Crono in the division finals.

Not really... If Crono is able to beat Mario, Link will probably beat Crono 58-42%

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I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks

If you're this impressed by Crono's pwning of Magus, shouldn't you still be picking your jaw off the floor after seeing what Link did yesterday?
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

I said a long time ago that Link vs Crono is going to be a lot closer than people think it will be. Although I'd love to see it happen, I don't think Crono will win.

I'm also expecting Crono to breeze past Mario, but that may be my own bias speaking.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

I must say.. looking at the results of today's contest.. that Link's in for a fight when he takes on Crono in the division finals.

No one but Cloud and Sephiroth have the slightest, miniscule chance of posing a challenge for Link.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

No, I think you're right on that. I have seen at least 20 people on this board alone admit to playing Chrono Trigger because of its success in the past three contests. I'm sure that there are many others like that out there.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Mario/Crono is a complete dud this year. I could easily see Crono winning that thing by 2000 votes, at least.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

"If you're this impressed by Crono's pwning of Magus, shouldn't you still be picking your jaw off the floor after seeing what Link did yesterday?"

Well, consider how many people there are who like Ganon and not Link. Now look at all the posts from people who like Magus and not Crono. There's a huge difference.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Speaking of Link, I may not be a fan of the Zelda series, but the new GC game looks bloody awesome. I may even have to pick it up, making it the second GameCube game I've ever purchased.
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***Married to UltimaterializerX on 5/21/04***
Official Queen ***** of the Universe! Contest Score: 33/35, Next Winner: Crono

Magus 30% 13842
Crono 70% 32291
TOTAL VOTES 46133

Ouch.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Does anyone besides me think that the Chrono Trigger series needs a booster? Can we get a full Chrono Trigger anime? Or at least a port to GBA to increase it's fanbase? The series ending with Chrono Cross leaves a bad taste in my mouth..... Come on Square....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't know why I have this feeling that Crono has the higher chance of beating Mario rather than vice versa..

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I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks

My response to the past page or so: Cloud and Squall suck, Squall will probably manage 27% or so on Cloud, Crono will win a close match with Mario, and Cloud and Squall suck.
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Current Pick: Crono; Current Vote: Magus; Points: 33/36
SFF, yo!

No, I think you're right on that. I have seen at least 20 people on this board alone admit to playing Chrono Trigger because of its success in the past three contests. I'm sure that there are many others like that out there.

I qualify for that. The only reason I played it is because it beat LttP and Mario 3 in the Spring. And now I'll definitely vote Crono over Mario.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Cloud and Squall suck

Squally, maybe, but not Cloud.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud and Squall suck

Squally, maybe, but not Cloud.

Bleh, I don't want to get into why I don't like either of them. Let's just say they're not high up on my favorite RPG character lists.
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Current Pick: Crono; Current Vote: Magus; Points: 33/36
SFF, yo!

Heroic Mario, you know nothing and that is all.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yeah, the new Zelda game may be one of the few games that I actually buy for full price. I have a knack for buying games as soon as the price drops. DMC, Viewtiful Joe, SA2:B, Metroid Prime, Jak & Daxter (Jak II as soon as Jak III comes out). All victims of college thriftiness. I'm still waiting on a Ninja Gaiden price drop before I buy an X-Box >_<

About the only game I will probably buy right away this year is Musashi Samurai Legends. But Musashi is a personal favorite. My friend works at Blockbuster, so all the other big name games I will probably get from him and beat and pick up later if the replay value is worth it.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Samus and Mario are relatively close in the standings, right? And assuming Crono beats down on Mario, and assuming that Samus gets all the way to the Final Four and does well against Cloud, wouldn't that put Samus ahead of Mario?

That said, the Xst rating would be taken independantly among the two of them. In a one on one match, would Mario still have the innate advantage, despite having done jack **** for years? Personally, I would love to see Samus have the strength to come in second in the standings. She'll never beat Link, but how cool would it be for her to be right behind Link?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

It depends on how you define Samus doing "well" against Cloud/Sephiroth. If she can get mid-40s on them, then she's probably above Mario. I still don't think she could get the SFF advantage on him though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Doing well = 45% or better, and with any luck, winning.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Being ahead of Mario =/= cool.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Being ahead of Mario =/= cool.

It does in Samus' case. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heh, if she wins, it's safe to say she's ahead of Mario by a long shot. 45% still puts her comfortably ahead to the point where SFF possibly wouldn't cost her the match.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I guess Magus fans can take some comfort in knowing Crono is losing the afternoon vote.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Yeah, when you're Samus it does. She may be my favorite Nintendo character right now.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I'd like Samus to catch up to Link, Cloud, and Sephiroth if only because it makes picking a winner have some variety to it. You know being able to choose five instead of three.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And Samus still isn't as cool as other "elite" characters.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

That's true. I still like how Samus could have easily beaten Sephiroth back in 2002 if she had Metroid Prime on her side at the time.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I don't know if Samus would have "easily" beaten Sephiroth, but she probably would have won.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The key word in my post was 'could'.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Excuse me. I thought you meant it in the context of a comfortable victory for Samus. My bad.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Leonhart4.. I read in a different topic that you have Tidus beating Megaman.. Is that what you have in your bracket? and what are your reasonings behind it?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

He was kidding.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Nah, my bracket doesn't have Tidus winning. I think he'll do well, but he won't win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I see.

In a Samus vs Sephiroth/Cloud match, would you call a 52-48 victory comfortable? Just curious.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I'll give him that. He'll do respectable against the future champion, so under 40% won't be anything to be down about. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

A 52-48 win against Tough Opponents to me is considered Comfortable..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

52/48? Yeah, that's comfortable. A result like that would imply that the winner had the lead for the majority of the day and was never really challenged.

When you get within 1%, then it gets uncomfortable.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hey Leonhart4, if Tidus were ever to face up with Sonic.. What percent do you think he would get on Sonic?

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Sonic would win with 51-52%.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, that's assuming Sonic is still at his 2003 levels. Otherwise, it'd probably be around 54-55%.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

tag

These topics are fun to read. We'll wind up with around 100 of them at this rate.
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MORTAL KOMBAT!!!
*jumps on table while techno plays*

Replies to comments by a few different people...

As long as Voldemort manages to kill Harry at the end of Book Seven, I'll be able to withstand all sorts of atrocities inflicted upon Sephiroth, Vegeta, Albedo, and all the other villains and semi-villains who deserve to win. Come on, Voldemort! You can do it!

How could you possibly like Voldemort?? Unlike Magus and Sephiroth, he's never done anything remotely cool. Unlike Magus and Sephiroth, he doesn't look like a badass. He's just a lamer who regularly gets shown up by a kid. Harry, on the other hand, is awesome.

Well, consider how many people there are who like Ganon and not Link. Now look at all the posts from people who like Magus and not Crono. There's a huge difference.

The thing is, a Magus vs. Crono battle tells us literally nothing about how they will do against other characters. It doesn't matter whether Magus has a more dedicated fanbase than Ganondorf, since Magus and Crono are still deriving their popularity from the same game.

Crono's success against characters other than Magus will primarily depend on whether more people have played/liked Chrono Trigger than last year. Crono's success against Magus has little to nothing to do with how many people like Chrono Trigger... if anything, we would expect MAGUS to do better the more people have played CT. So I would consider this match pretty much meaningless for what happens in next two rounds.

Does anyone besides me think that the Chrono Trigger series needs a booster? Can we get a full Chrono Trigger anime? Or at least a port to GBA to increase it's fanbase? The series ending with Chrono Cross leaves a bad taste in my mouth..... Come on Square....

I agree, Chrono Trigger needs a good sequel. I would be happy with either a Final Fantasy style sequel (one that uses the same theme but is totally unrelated), or a direct sequel that pretends Crono Cross never happened.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 34/36
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Crono with 57.21%

70-30 for Crono?

I weep for humanity.
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Hmph.

Regarding the sequel thing...

After FFX-2, I'd rather Square never did a sequel to any of their RPGs ever again.
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Hmph.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Mario/Crono is a complete dud this year. I could easily see Crono winning that thing by 2000 votes, at least.

I'm expecting a decent number of votes for that contest, much higher than what we've already seen so far. Something around 99,000 votes or so.. a little over 51% for Crono.

I still think Crono is gonna ride the momentum from the Spring Contest and beat Mario, but I think it'll pretty much be over early in the day. I say Crono'll get 55% on him this year. Mario's not that popular anymore, which is a bit sad.

I really do think Crono can score the upset over Link, even though it seems Link is being represented by the adult Link and he's stronger than his games. If Crono can't beat him, I imagine Link'll probably get 50.25% on him. I'll be very, very surprised if it's not that close when Link/Crono occurs.
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SC2K4 Prediction: Cloud over Crono
SC2K5 Prediction: Crush from WWF Wrestlefest(Arcade) over Raine Sage!

Goku Z, just make your sig:
FF7>>me

I don't want to spend to much time on something stupid and since that was your plan, here you get it back.
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36/36 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Crono

For Crono to beat Link, he'd have to get way over 55% on Mario....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

No. For Crono to beat Link, he would need to get way more than 55% on Mario and he would need Link's pic to be from WW.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

Man, wouldn't it suck if Link ends up getting another WW pic.

Magus drops below 30%

*cries*

Ganondorf, Magus, Bowser, out in round 2. So wrong.
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ARROWED

What we have learned about SFF for today...

Hero>Villian Turned Semi Hero, Lead>Supporting Cast, Sword>Scythe, Lighting> Dark, Crono> Magus =/ Seemed predictable enough... but will the bracket selections reflect? I say not, we won't be seeing anything higher than 70% picked correct

If Crono can't beat him, I imagine Link'll probably get 50.25% on him.

Or 58% - 62%...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

No. For Crono to beat Link, he would need to get way more than 55% on Mario and he would need Link's pic to be from WW.

For Crono to break 45% on Link, Crono'd need more that 57.5% on Mario and he would need Link's pic to be his Japanese artwork.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I really do think Crono can score the upset over Link, even though it seems Link is being represented by the adult Link and he's stronger than his games. If Crono can't beat him, I imagine Link'll probably get 50.25% on him. I'll be very, very surprised if it's not that close when Link/Crono occurs.

For Crono to beat Link, he would have to get around 57-58% on Mario.. I am just hoping that Crono breaks 44% on Link and I am not too sure if he can do it either..

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Next Target: Vyse

I hope Link squashes him

I hope Link squashes him

.... While I am hoping that Crono would upset Link but I know that won't happen.. so .... go Megaman!

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

for a match like this one is suppose to be 50/50 this topic seems to think Crono is almost the favorite
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Summer 2004 Contest 31/36 Crono vs. Magus

forget crono, I"m hoping that Yoshi upsets Link!


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Ulti ran a prepoll sometime after the Spring Contest that was very close. I don't remember exactly what the results were, but I think they were around 39 for Crono and 36 for Mario.

Speaking of that, Ulti, who won that contest you ran?
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Board 8 character contest is ALMOST ALWAYS NEVER true..

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Next Target: Vyse

Logically, Mario would, and probably will be the favorite.

Then again, it shouldn't be considered an upset if Crono beats Mario. They're pratically equals.
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Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

Board 8 character contest is ALMOST ALWAYS NEVER true..

Please don't insult me. >_>

I know that, but I wanted to know what the results were because I was interested. Sheesh...

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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

With the way the board is massively supporting Crono (whick sucks), getting within 3 votes is a win in itself.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

I'm hoping that there will be enough disgruntled Magus fans to throw Mario some support. Otherwise the feeling is pretty dismal right now concerning his chances. =\
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I'm confident Mario can do it again. Crono cheaters are about as competent as Crono himself.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

I wasn't here last year, but I thought that Crono had a ton of board support last year as well (including people who said that they were going to vote for him.)

??
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Exactly. Crono has nothing, and I mean NOTHING, more than last year.

CT didn't beat SMB3 by nearly enough for Crono to have this match.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

I think we, as a board, may favor Crono, because we just think that its Crono who should have won two years straight now, and its really by underhanded mario tricks that mario has come through. While this is wrong, or at least to a degree, it just seems for some reason that its Crono's rite to finally win, but Mario keeps stealing it from him.
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If Mario would beat Crono decisively for once, then we'd finally get to stop with these Mario/Crono matches.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

The first year was very, very fair. Mario was the rightful victor, and he won, too.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

In 2002, Mario was clearly the better man.

In 2003, however, Crono should have won. I was rooting for Mario the whole time, but that was Crono's match to win. He was up the whole day, and then some fishy business occurs and Mario gets the lead in the closing minutes.

I HIGHLY doubt something like that Mario burst will happen again. Crono should have this match this year.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

When I say decisively, I mean by more than 115, 137, or anywhere in that area. Mario needs to kick some ass one year and at LEAST get over 750 votes, and not give Crono fans any sign of hope. Then and only then will CJay stop this.

And yes, Mario must win it, or else CJay will pull the ole' "Crono's down 2-1 against Mario, can he make it even this year?" stunt.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

And yes, Mario must win it, or else CJay will pull the ole' "Crono's down 2-1 against Mario, can he make it even this year?" stunt.

And if he won again, it would become:

"Teh tiebreaker of d00m!!111"

>_<
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

No, I don't think Ceej is that dumb to do Mario/Crono 3 next year regardless of the winner. All we need is a clear winner this year, but I still think that whatever the outcome, we will not see MvC 4.
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Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

Heh. They've made a sequel to The Decline of Video Gaming and it's just popped up on Newgrounds. Even has the classic "You bought an N-Gage, didn't you?" quote in it. Brilliant stuff, go and check it out, beats watching a couple of SFF blowouts.
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I wish CJay would go ahead and admit that Mario and Crono are in a "best 16 out of 31" series already, so we could quit complaining about when they'll stop fighting. =)
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think CJay could go for it again as an Elite Eight match, and maybe as a Final Four again. I do NOT see him putting them on seperate halves of the bracket though.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Please don't insult me. >_>

I know that, but I wanted to know what the results were because I was interested. Sheesh...

Sorry Mumei, I had absolutely no intention of insult in my post.. I was just stating it, that's all.. Sorry you took it the wrong way.. My apology

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I just thought that you thought I believed that the board polls have a lot of meaning. I know that CATS beat Cloud in a board poll. XD
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I don't want anymore Mario vs. Crono myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's the first Crono vs. Mario for me, so I want this year and then no more. ^_^
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well.. to add another discussion.. What do you guys think of Frog vs. Master Chief??

I think we have completely overhyped Frog and the Xbox Factor is slowing dying away(if there was any to begin with).. I think Master Chief will take the win but I hope Frog will since I have Frog > Master Chief in bracket..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

Along with my previous post.. I woud also like to ask another question.. =)

Is there any chance of Vercetti taking down Zero, how would the percent split go?

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Next Target: Vyse

Vercetti isn't even relevant anymore. And I LIKE Vice City (I'm from Miami....). But with the new GTA, nobody's really talking about Vercetti anymore. His popularity is dropping faster than Lara Croft's virginity.
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Even after seeing the Frog vs. Liquid Snake match I'm very confident in him beating Master Chief. You have to ask yourself, would Liquid Snake lose to Master Chief? I can't see that happening.


Is there any chance of Vercetti taking down Zero, how would the percent split go?

None at all. Vercetti has 0% chance at upsetting against Zero. The perecentage should be well over 60% for Zero.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Even after seeing the Frog vs. Liquid Snake match I'm very confident in him beating Master Chief. You have to ask yourself, would Liquid Snake lose to Master Chief? I can't see that happening.

Actually I could very well see Master Chief > Liquid Snake.. It'll be close but Master Chief might win the match..

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SC2K4 Winner: Cloud Strife
Next Target: Vyse

I feel fairly confident that MC would beat Liquid Snake, but I don't feel so good about MC over Frog.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I don't think Liquid would have all that much trouble, myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I admit that Vercetti has no chance at taking down Zero. However, Mega Man got 67% on Tommy, and there is not a chance in hell Zero=Mega Man, so HM's 'well over' 60% is impossible. If this had been last year, I would think that Zero could put up around 57-59% on Tommy. But with Tommy likely regressing from his initial performance (due to no more VC hype), I think 61-63% is likely. Not a terribly small window, but I will be shocked if Zero pulls in more than 63%, and just moderately surprised if he does not break 60%.
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Zero was expected to get 61.56% against Vercetti last year. Now, take into account that Vercetti has more than likely fallen and you get the idea.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And as for Frog/Master Chief I have conceded those two points. After barely defeating a bit villain not even in an RPG series, Frog seems destined to lay an egg in this contest. I know MC didn't even break 53% on Felix, and I do not think he will do so against Frog either. But what matters is I do not think he will lose. Tough break for my bracket, but at least I changed my 'Frog to the Elite Eight' before the bracket lockdown, or else it would have cost me six points instead of just two.
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I think Zero will get about 64%. I'll be surprised if he does to Tommy what Mega Man did last year.
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If he does do what Mega Man did last year I'd say he took something of an increase, which isn't unlikely either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

After barely defeating a bit villain not even in an RPG series,

Barely defeating a villain from Metal Gear Solid is not an accomplishment on this site?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'd say Zero beats Tommy with 65%.
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I think charmander did some stuff and came to the conclusion that the weakest Liquid could be was at Felix's level.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

...not to me it isn't. MGS didn't exactly scream site favorite in the spring contest. FFVII treated it like a ho, and MGS2 performed the worst against SSB:M of any of its victories. I'll admit 128 was too ****ed up to draw actual conclusions from, but that tripling from VII was just plain embarrassing. In order for Frog's win to have been "impressive," Liquid would have to be a top 32 entry, and I just do not see him being able to defeat anyone in the top half of the rankings. Actually, I doubt he could even take down Kefka.
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Well, a physical state + Snake IS bound to draw some votes...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

MGS2 performed the worst against SSB:M of any of its victories

Yet MGS2 performed almost as well as Solid Snake in Summer Contests. MGS isn't far behind it either.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 034/036 - Matches: 32/34 - Rank: 00131/33221 - Today: Crono - Tomorrow: Mario

I think all he has going for him is the relationship to Solid Snake. He'll garner the MGS support (which the spring showed wasn't exactly gangbusters), and some peripheral votes from people who recognize "Physical Matter" Snake. I doubt that support would be enough to defeat Master Chief. After seeing how the X-Box matches have gone so far, if Frog does not put together at least a 500 or so vote lead by noonish, he's done. And I am being really nice about that 500 because I want to think he has a chance for my bracket's sake.
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And for the record, I'd pick Liquid over a handful of the top half.
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Wow. That's a severe underestimation there. You have to understand that Liquid Snake should by no means rank below the top 32. There is just so much that would goes against him doing so, and the fact that he's a very mainstream villain from a very popular set of games. Final Fantasy 7 completely owned everything in its path, including Ocarina of Time, so I don't exactly see how it is that bad. Sure, it didn't rank as a powerhouse but both MGS and MGS2 filed in at 23rd and 20th. That's far from weak.

Now, you could also couple in Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes on the GameCube to get Liquid more exposure. Yes, the game only sold some 170,000 copies but enough to get him newer votes. Honestly, why you expect Liquid to be so low is beyond me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

After barely defeating a bit villain not even in an RPG series,

Barely defeating a villain from Metal Gear Solid is not an accomplishment on this site?

it may be an accomplishment, but not with the hype that frog had, pulling basically even wasn't the best way for him to be introduced.

and I know that Mario won fairly the first year, i was just thinking out loud to why the board feels crono should win
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Does anybody think that maybe Vercetti gets anti-votes?

I mean .hack is a pretty obscure series and I found that Kite being as high as he was was a little weird. I mean I don't think .hack is that much more popular than Suikoden II on this web site, yet Kite's comfortably above Luca Blight in the standings.

Secondly, this could explain Sonic's "overperformance" against Terry. DK got Tommy anti-votes, so he was ranked higher last year than what he should have been. Because of this, we thought Mario and DK SFF was higher than it actually was. Because we thought there was more SFF we thought Terry was more popular than he actually was, which led to Sonic's "overperformance" against him.

And Max Payne did better against him then expected, although he did have a new game out, but PC games are not really that big on GameFAQS and Max Payne doesn't appear to be an exception to that rule.
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it may be an accomplishment, but not with the hype that frog had, pulling basically even wasn't the best way for him to be introduced.

Still doesn't change the fact he beat out the villain from Metal Gear Solid. I don't care how "RPG biased" this site is, that's an accomplishment. There's no way Liquid Snake is a weak entry and surely no way both of these are fodder. That would make absolutely no sense.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Not just any villain at that... Liquid Snake. If I would think correctly, most of Solid Snake's true fanbase comes from the Metal Gear Solid series, as his character that we all have come to love wasn't as distinguished in Metal Gear. If that's the case, then Liquid should have as much exposure as Solid... I would think Liquid would be a little under the level of Solid. Liquid Snake is one of the best villains ever created, and having the name Snake can only help him. I don't see fans of Solid Snake not liking Liquid. So that means that Frog is strong enough to turn Solid Snake's fan AGAINST Liquid. I don't think Master Chief can touch that.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I cannot think of too many top half contestants I would take Liquid over, and bringing in outside forces, I think it is fair to assume Aeris and Zelda are above him as well. Truthfully though, there are a number of characters I would put Frog over that I would not even think twice about having beat Liquid Snake. I am biased, no doubt, and given that we saw that Frog=Liquid Snake, I just find it so hard to believe that Frog is really that far from Magus and Crono. This ridiculous HVF today not withstanding.
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I doubt that support would be enough to defeat Master Chief.

You act as if it would take a lot to defeat Master Chief. It really doesn't take the strongest power in the world to defeat him nor would it be surprising to see both Frog and Liquid rank ahead of him.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Sorry to shift gears on this discussion, but I just finally realized how sad something like this will look in a month:

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Rankings:
64. Tanner
63. Guybrush Threepwood
62. Luca Blight
61. Alucard

....;_;
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Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

Sorry to shift gears on this discussion, but I just finally realized how sad something like this will look in a month:

Summer 2004 Extrapolated Rankings:
64. Tanner
63. Guybrush Threepwood
62. Luca Blight
61. Alucard

....;_;

Double sweet 16 character falls to #61 because of SFF devastation >_<
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I just find it so hard to believe that Frog is really that far from Magus and Crono.

Frog isn't that far from Magus and Crono nor is Liquid Snake that far from Solid Snake.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

60. Ganondorf
59. CATS

IT ISN'T FAIR! ;_;
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

It's so sad that Ganondorf and a lot of other decent characters are gonna get the boot because of SFF =\

How are people gonna do the extrapolated to make it fair?
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Nope, it really isn't. ;_;
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Oh, and I think Liquid is just like...Ganondorf or Shadow.

He's gets most of his support from the Solid voters, so he is pretty strong.
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Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

Did someone just call Liquid Snake a bit villain? Even though he's clearly the main single villain in the MGS series, even outranking Ocelot?

Geez, what's your definition of major villain?
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If Crono loses to Mario, then Mario gets pwned again by Link, who I feel will lose to Sephiroud, and Magus may not crack the top 50 also. I think we really, really need to just hide the X-Sts. from '02 and '03 and let all the newbies next year just look at these stats =)
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The X-sts will be so pointless this year. So, so pointless.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

well, i've been against frog ever since the earliest board hype, nothing against him personally, and just because they had a close match doesn't mean they can't be fodder, I know that they probably aren't, but pac and kefka had a close match, and for that year at least, they weren't the two strongest competitors. I mean Ryu and Jill just had a close match, but Master Chief is still ranked above them. Master Chief isn't weak, and the site polls for xbox, I had checked out in an earlier stats topic, pretty much kept going up, ownership wise. I don't believe much, if at all, in xbox hate anymore, and having played Halo, not all of it yet unfortunately, its a good game. A Master Chief "upset" may even be only a board idea, i wouldn't be too surprised if mc was favored, though, I guess that doesnt' say too much, as less than half? have frog already gone.
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Just makes it more of a skill game next year. Should be fun. ;)
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If Liquid Snake was a major villain than why was he not the first MGS villain to make it into the contest??? I guess that would be my definition of major villain.
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"Frog isn't that far from Magus and Crono nor is Liquid Snake that far from Solid Snake."

Are you talking about Liquid in relation to Solid Snake when he's up against other characters, or when he's pit head on against Solid?

Liquid most likely draws most of his votes from Solid's fanbase, thus making him stronger (ie. Ganondorf and Magus).

In a direct head to head matchup vs Solid, Liquid would probably get killed because of SFF.

I thought Liquid was the first MGS villain to make it in the contest...
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It'd be alot like Solid vs Raiden.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I thought Raiden was a villain? If not... oopsie.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Just because everyone hates Raiden doesn't make him a villain.
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Raiden was economic girlie man hero of MGS2.
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had a close match doesn't mean they can't be fodder,

There's only been one match that was close where two characters safely fell under "fodder". This match was even closer than that and has one very mainstream villain and a character from Chrono Trigger. How they could be fodder boggles my mind.

I mean Ryu and Jill just had a close match, but Master Chief is still ranked above them.

I wouldn't have expected Ryu to rank exceptionally high in the standings to begin with. Either way, those two still are not fodder. Fodder characters just don't have close matches.

Master Chief isn't weak, and the site polls for xbox, I had checked out in an earlier stats topic, pretty much kept going up, ownership wise. I don't believe much, if at all, in xbox hate anymore, and having played Halo, not all of it yet unfortunately, its a good game.

There really doesn't need to be any "Xbox hate" for Frog to win. He's got more than enough pull to get past him without that, but if there is some it is just an added benefit. Master Chief, while not weak, still isn't someone who should be tough to beat from the likes of Frog or Liquid.

A Master Chief "upset" may even be only a board idea, i wouldn't be too surprised if mc was favored, though, I guess that doesnt' say too much, as less than half? have frog already gone.

Master Chief will be the bracket favorite in that one. Guaranteed. The front-page bracketmakers always overestimate what he can do and with Halo 2 around the corner they'll probably continue to do such. Given the fact that only 43% have him going to the next round means he'll be much lower come round 3.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Raiden isn't a villian. He just stirs a lot of hate from fans who felt like they got slapped in the face when finding out his role in the second game.

If Crono loses to Mario, then Mario gets pwned again by Link, who I feel will lose to Sephiroud, and Magus may not crack the top 50 also. I think we really, really need to just hide the X-Sts. from '02 and '03 and let all the newbies next year just look at these stats =)

Getting about 30 on Crono would probably get him at least in the top half... if it doesn't I'm gonna be angry >_<
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Crash.

If Liquid Snake was a major villain than why was he not the first MGS villain to make it into the contest??? I guess that would be my definition of major villain.

What? Liquid Snake is the first villain to make it into the contest from Metal Gear Solid.

Are you talking about Liquid in relation to Solid Snake when he's up against other characters, or when he's pit head on against Solid?

In relation to Solid Snake. The difference between them in the stats should not be all that different. Now, in a head-to-head match Liquid would probably get killed from SFF.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Never got around to MGS2. Nobody is perfect, and I do not pretend to be. I still think MC>Liquid Snake (which is the main purpose of all this debate), and then just using the substitution property, MC>Frog. 'Cept I thought Frog>>>Liquid Snake before this contest, not Frog=LS. Tough break. If someone not Cloud or Link wins this year, it will all be worth it.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

"The difference between them in the stats should not be all that different. Now, in a head-to-head match Liquid would probably get killed from SFF."

Agreed.

Whoa... wait a minute! Us, agreeing on something? Is that even possible?

Something must be wrong.

Slowflake, while most people don't realize that you keep saying the same line over again, it is quite tiresome. Crono didn't even cheat in 2k3. I anyone can be suspected of foul play that year it's Mario. Think about it, just for a split second, please. If the only thing that made him come so close to winning in 2k2 was cheating, then he nearly won it the next year without any... don't you think that is a sign that Crono is only getting stronger?

"You have to ask yourself, would Liquid Snake lose to Master Chief? I can't see that happening."

Same here, and I would have thought that before the contest started. If some nobody like Felix can come that close to MC a character from the same game as an elite character would take him down. Same is to be said of Frog.
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"I doubt that support would be enough to defeat Master Chief."

Who, with only a fraction of their games fanbase, beat MC last year? If LS is as close to SS as Aeris is to Cloud then MC can say his Spartan-II prayers now.

"I mean .hack is a pretty obscure series and I found that Kite being as high as he was was a little weird."

As the one and only king of sepculation here on this board I'm going to have to say your reasoning is flawed on that part.

"How are people gonna do the extrapolated to make it fair?"

I spent three posts on this matter back in 48. Assuming Crono beats Mario we'll have 70% of the bracket unbelievably clear and the remainder will be impossible to figure out. Everything in Chaos will be perfect. It's kinda creepy to think that such a thing can happen...
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Perhaps Raiden is also a lot stronger than we realize, since he too got destroyed by SFF.
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"I think we really, really need to just hide the X-Sts."

I think we need to pass the unadjusted ratings out to the people not on the board myself.

"The X-sts will be so pointless this year. So, so pointless."

Not when they are adjusted. With corect adjustments they will actually be better than last years in some cases and certainly no worse in the remainder.

"If Liquid Snake was a major villain than why was he not the first MGS villain to make it into the contest???"

He is.

"It'd be alot like Solid vs Raiden."

And after seeing Link vs. Ganon I don't think we can safely assume that Raiden is under 32 nor can we expect Liquid to be as of now.

"There's only been one match that was close where two characters safely fell under "fodder"."

And it turns out Kefka should have been in the upper 32. Regardless, no fodder vs. fodder is ever that close, as HM has just said... which is of course what I said back when the match was on.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Okay, I don't remember Ceej making a comment implying that the Crono fan cheated for close to a thousand votes. I remember that topic, but I don't remember that quote.

If so, why is everybody bringing it up now instead of when Ceej actually made the post? I don't remember anybody saying anything then.

And why did Ceej only take away like 400 votes instead of the thousand votes, if that's really how much it was?
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"Maaaaaaario."--Luigi Mario

"Perhaps Raiden is also a lot stronger than we realize, since he too got destroyed by SFF."

I've been saying that since last year, and after what happened to Ganon I don't think anyone can safely argue against me now.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Who, with only a fraction of their games fanbase, beat MC last year? If LS is as close to SS as Aeris is to Cloud then MC can say his Spartan-II prayers now.

Also compare this then: If Frog is as close to Crono as Aeris is to Cloud, that makes things look alot more different...

FF7 beat CT with about 58% of the votes. Cloud would beat Crono with about 63% of the votes. Sephiroth would beat Magus with about 65% of the votes. I'd assume that Aeris could get 61% of the votes against Frog. Keep in mind that Aeris beat Master Chief last year with just over 60% of the votes. Add to it that MC has seemingly lost some X-Box hate and probably gained some from Red VS Blue and Halo 2 hype, and Frog is the one who suddenly needs to say some prayers.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

"I'd assume that Aeris could get 61% of the votes against Frog."

You also assume Aeris is the number 3 character in the game when she isn't. It takes no more than Auron and Yuna to prove Fan Favorite > Lead Heroine.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Although if you make a direct comparison from Link to Ganondorf and use that as the relation between Solid and Liquid, then Master Chief comes out with a slight advantage over Frog.

Of course, I'd imagine Liquid should be closer to Solid than Ganondorf is to Link. But you never know.
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Solid is somehow underestimated in 2k3. Perhaps his placement on Sephiroth's half has something to do with that... If my vague estimation is in the right area and LS is as close to SS as Ganon is to Link then Frog wins without much issue.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Just a thought... The Ninja (Fox) should've been in this since way back =/. He'd be on par with LS...

She may not be third in line, but I really doubt that she's far away from it. Look at the trend though; the most important parts of a game, the game itself, fought and went 58-42 in FF7's favor. The next most important part (that's had a contest, mind you), the characters, have been compared...and FF7's hero would beat CT's hero 63-37. FF7's villian would beat CT's villian 65-35. See the trend? The lower down the chain we go, the more that CT would lose...I gave Frog extra credit with a 61-39 loss to Aeris simply by assumpion that Frog is especially liked for a side-kick AND that Aeris isn't third in line for respect in FF7.

Frog should still start praying; this could get ugly quick.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

And you are still forgetting there are other factors involved.

But really, look at your most recent piece of evidence. CT vs. FF7. Sure, by the Sp of 2k4 we for the most part expected that finals... but by the numbers, did we really expect that? What if CT is on the rise, as I have proposed before? It should prove highly interesting then, shouldn't it? And besides, I'm still vehemenantly of the opinion that Crono is being underrated as of now, as well as anything MGS related. I wouldn't give MC the win over LS, and I'm certainly not giving it to him over Frog.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

moot
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"Have Wings will Fly"

well, the reasoning for chrono trigger being on the rise was that crono did better against Mario the next year? I admit I'm too lazy to check that just now, but Halo also has a lot going for it this year too. It had more sales than Chrono Trigger did last year, I'm willing to guess, and X-Box ownership has gone up some on our site since last year too. Halo 2 hype probably isn't that much of a factor, but it does have a ton of presales, which can't really hurt master chief. I don't know redvsblue myself, i've heard of it, not seen it yet, but I guess any exposure is good exposure for mc.
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Hmmm...characters returning to 2002 levels...looks good for Mario in MvC.

Hmmm...characters returning to 2002 levels...looks good for Mario in MvC.

why they performed about the same
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Summer 2004 Contest 31/36 Crono vs. Magus

It's ok. I already know the exact result of the Mario Vs. Crono match.

I had a foretelling dream. And I know it's going to come true.

I'll just say that it's the OPPOSITE of what I have in my bracket. AND the winner will win by 218 votes.

It's all true, I dreamed the whole thing.
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I had a dream that the Yoshi vs. Luigi poll will be 55/45 when I first checked it in the morning and it was

freaky
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Summer 2004 Contest 31/36 Crono vs. Magus

You also assume Aeris is the number 3 character in the game when she isn't. It takes no more than Auron and Yuna to prove Fan Favorite > Lead Heroine.

I'm pretty confident Aerith is the number 3 character from her game. Just because a secondary character is more popular than the heroine in FF X doesn't mean it's true in FF VII. Yuna isn't all that well liked, while Aerith definitely is. Plus Vincent is an optional character - that's got to cost him a little bit. Not to mention Aerith was in KH.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 34/36
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Crono with 57.21%

"while Aerith definitely is."

You know so little of FF7 fans. I assure you, Aeris has some serious detractors against her and she isn't that strong of a primary love interest... she even has to compete with another! Yuna didn't even have competition for her role and she still couldn't manage to beat the fanfavorite so I will guarentee you that Aeris is not number 3, regardless of her spoiler.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Okay, so I made it sound like Aeris is weak in her role even without Tifa around... Tifa is Aeris' main detractor... so much so that it nearly halves Aeris' potential amoung FF7 fans.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I know that Aerith has detractors, but she also has a lot of supporters. The only characters with no detractors are the ones that no one cares about. People definitely care about Aerith. Vincent might be more popular among hardcore FF VII fans, but I don't think he'd beat Aerith if they faced each other in the character contest. There's a reason she's been in the contest twice and Vincent hasn't made it yet.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 34/36
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Crono with 57.21%

I don't think Tifa halves Aerith's support, since it's possible to like both of them. I definitely like both of them better than Vincent. Tifa and Aerith aren't exactly bitter rivals, because of the way the story goes.

Tifa definitely decreases Aerith some, but I don't think it's as much as you say.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 34/36
Current Oracle ranking: 4th | Pick: Crono with 57.21%

"There's a reason she's been in the contest twice and Vincent hasn't made it yet."

Considering that there were no nominations the first time and the second time Ceej had even more deffinite interactions with it than this time I think your argument has too many holes to be valid. The reason Vincent hasn't been in yet isn't because he isn't powerful, it's because there are too many other characters from FF7 that people like. He suffers for the same reason Mega Man suffered in the Spring... Ceej refuses to use some sense.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"I don't think Tifa halves Aerith's support,"

I said nearly.

"I definitely like both of them better than Vincent."

You've already made it clear that you aren't a typical FF7 fan.

"Tifa and Aerith aren't exactly bitter rivals, because of the way the story goes."

Neither were the two girls on Gilligan's Island, yet the debate rages on.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Its kinda upsetting the limit was put on the companies with popular characters, I mean at least Aeris did well unlike some folder, mainly Tanner, and oh course there's always J.C. Denton.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 35/36
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Aeris didn't just do well, she ranked in the top quarter. Her exclussion is a smack on the face to all her fans to everybody who wishes to see the best SC possible.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

not having Aeris was a big mistake, and cjayc not intervening for her was also bad too. if he knew we were going to be shocked at them not being in, why not just put them in, and get rid of people we dont need here?
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Aeris not being in sucks to be honest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Eh, I guess we should have sensed something when she got 11 seeds in both Contest. I mean she's good once she gets in, but she seems to have trouble in the nomination department.
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Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

Not really. She wasn't all that great.
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

That's because Aeris is 3rd in line, contending with Cloud and Sephiroth for nominations. Aeris is one character I wouldn't mind getting an Advent Children picture, though there's not a full shot of her face yet.

I like Tifa better though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Beating the X-Box's mascot 60-40 and competeing with Sega's mascot is worthy of letting Aeris back in.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Bowser by 45
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no there where no kirby games in this contest and no kirby dosent rule he s dum cant you people get that threw your little heads ~ aya pe 001

But getting in does not depend on your past performances. It depends on how many nominations you get. Cloud, Sephiroth, Auron, Squall, Vivi....they mmust have sucked up all Aeris's noms.
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MC vs. Crash - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Magus vs. Crono - Bracket: Crono - Vote: Magus (34/36)

"That's because Aeris is 3rd in line, contending with Cloud and Sephiroth for nominations."

Your proof = 0

Thnxkbai.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And yes, I like to put my word forth in a manner unlike those around me, even when copying 'net slang.

Tis a habit.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Therein lies the problem. We don't know how the nominations will be set up, we don't know the restictions Ceej will put up, and we don't know how many nominations are needed to be considered.

If the company ceilings are upheld, you'll get precious little overturn for Square (Sephy, Cloud, Tidus, Squall, Crono, *insert other CT character* take up six spots right off the bat, leaving four slots for the rest of the FF casts). As long as that limit is upheld, I doubt we'll ever see a Square character not from a Final Fantasy or Chrono Trigger. (Sorry, Serge and Citan).
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Aeris is one character I wouldn't mind getting an Advent Children picture

We should get one soon... hopefully...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Cloud = Two 1 seeds, Sephiroth = Two 2 seeds, Aeris = 11 seed and no appearance
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

the proof that Aeris is competing for nominations with Sephiroth and Cloud is that she's not in it this year, and had a low seed last year ya know?(sry chichiri =P)
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 6/6
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Mario, anyone tired of this division yet? *LISTEN TO KOSMO RADIO*

Aeris losing nominations to Seph and Cloud is common sense, saying that she had the third highest number of nominations out of all FF7 characters is unproven. There is no proof that she had the third highest number this year, and given the fact that Ceej took a heavier hand in last year's bracket there isn't necessarily proof that she had the third highest number of nominations last year either.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

This division blows. And not like the wind. Like a virgin on prom night. We are going to see so many blowouts, and if Mario beats Crono, we are even going to see a divisional final blowout. If it wasn't for Crono/Mario, I might be looking for Cloud's airplane wing sword to gauge out my eyes right now...
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

I doubt any FFVII characters came all that close to making the contest. And how many appearances does a 3rd character from FFVII not named Aeris made?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

"Like a virgin on prom night."

It does indeed blow badly.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

As you saw tonight, boring matches result in things like fads.

You know it's true.
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 6/6
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Mario, anyone tired of this division yet? *LISTEN TO KOSMO RADIO*

"And how many appearances does a 3rd character from FFVII not named Aeris made?"

I think either you're incapable of simple reading comprehension, or you like to pick fights without any decent evidence on yourside. Fact of the matter is, there were no real nominations in 2k2 and in 2k3 Ceej manipulated the bracket in a much more severe manner than this year. Do the math, genius. Aeris doens't have strong support in nominations, and she may very well have less support than several other FF7 characters. You have no evidence to the contrary, so stop acting as if you do.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

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*tries not to mark post counters*

*fails*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Damned low vote totals. Stupid SFF.

v_v
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

OK Ulti... he's not bothering anyone.
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief

well, maybe, but he commented on Rikku not getting in, and maybe he would have said something about another ff7 lead if there was one besides aeris, but then again, maybe not
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magus pwnz
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Crash.

yep
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BtT: 3:57.10 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

I don't think I ever stated any of that as fact. I said it's doubtful that any of them came close. I would think that if there was a FFVII character in higher demand in 2003 (note: I'm well aware that there were no nominations in 2002), they would have gotten in. None of them had a chance of getting in this year thanks to the cap.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Go Mario!
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Anxiously awaiting... FROG vs. Master Chief