Samus after Metroid Prime is a force to be reckoned with, no?

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The problem with making the topics early is that we always have 15-20 posts of bull before the real discussion begins.

...Don't look at me like that!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

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Let's work for 25. W-What?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Tagged, yo.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Tag.

(Go Samus)

Arr!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 29/32 Next Pick: Link

Luigi WILL defeat Yoshi. Mark it down. Anybody care to make a sig bet?

Sure how long and what should we say

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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

My first-ever 501. I rule.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Ulti owned the post counter with a 501 post.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

>_>

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

I once got a 532.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Sig Bet:

goku z and ps2rulezzz
Five days
If Luigi wins, I get ps2's sig
If Yoshi wins, he gets mine.

Agreed?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

This match isn't over yet!
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Behold the magnificence of my victory!

I still can't believe people think Luigi will beat Yoshi. I hope to see this one take down a lot of brackets.
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Now is the time to choose: die and be free of pain, or live and fight your sorrow! ~Auron, Final Fantasy X

Charmander. Sig Bet. Now.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

If the big 3 have faded slightly and Samus has gone up liek mad, what % would be expected for Samus on the big 3? Can she move into her own tier below the Big 3 and above the rest?
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 29/32 Next Pick: Link

agreed
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31/31 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Samus--->perfect first round

Eh? Is that agreeable, ps2?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Tagzor
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What's 1 plus 1?
It's 11! You fool!

Charmander. Sig Bet. Now.

Sure what should we say and how long?
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Frankly, I hope she beats one of the Big Three. Yes, it would set up a boring final between Link and Samus. Who cares?
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We NEED a Mega Man-Samus finals. That's all I'll say. That would own so much.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Great.

Prepare to have something about Nintendo>>>Sony in your sig. And maybe something about Dog Poo > FF7
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Samus beating one of the big three would make me laugh manaiacally. Of course my bracket would collapse, but After missing on HK47 AND Jill, I probably won't do that great.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

If the big 3 have faded slightly and Samus has gone up liek mad, what % would be expected for Samus on the big 3? Can she move into her own tier below the Big 3 and above the rest?

I believe Samus could get 45% on Cloud or Seph, and a little less on Link due to minimal SFF. And I'd probably see her under the Big 3 with Mega, then Mario and Crono a little behind.
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Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

I for one have been waiting for a Samus/MegaMan battle
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Hm. 7 days. What we say is decided upon completion of the match. TOS violations are not allowed but anything else is fair game. Backing down results in ridicule by our peers.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Great, I hate FF7, and I think Nintendo and Sony are equal.
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31/31 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Samus--->perfect first round

I would be 100% confident in a Mario victory over Samus.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Actually, now that I think about it, all CJayC would've needed to do is switch Snake's and Samus's positions as 2 seeds, and this bracket becomes a lot more interesting.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hm. 7 days. What we say is decided upon completion of the match. TOS violations are not allowed but anything else is fair game. Backing down results in ridicule by our peers.

Sure

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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

tag
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Actually, now that I think about it, all CJayC would've needed to do is switch Snake's and Samus's positions as 2 seeds, and this bracket becomes a lot more interesting.

Who needs interesting matches when we can have SFF to the max and rematches from hell?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Your possible sigs could be:
FF7 >>> me
or PS2 owns me in 2 ways.
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31/31 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Samus--->perfect first round

Of course Mario would beat Samus with ease. I simply hope that Nintendo gives up on the fat man and keeps giving Samus this string of publicity. She is far cooler than Link or Mario could ever dream to be, and like I said in the last topic, she is a better suit to be the Nintendo mascot. She can appeal to literally anyone.
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Very well then. Luckily, my sig is in no danger, as Luigi will be the victor ^^
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Stop dragging the big N's namesake through the mud... Mario is a great mascot. Personally, I'm not crazy about Samus.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Mario and Link are both better suited to be Nintendo's mascots.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Just like Sephiroth will reach the finals right?
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31/31 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Samus--->perfect first round

"If anything, I've noticed a bigger Cloud/Sephiroth/Final Fantasy 7 bias from you based on previous arguments."

Prove it. Show me once where I explicitly showed unwavering support for those three. I simply go against your argument from time to time to counter it. Because you're pro-Nintendo, I try to bring the argument to the side of its rival, and on this site, that would be Square. That doesn't mean I'm favoring them. Show me a time, where I've demonstrated blatant bias for Cloud/Sephiroth/Final Fantasy 7.

Sephiroth WILL reach the finals.

He lost by 2.5% or so last time, what makes you think that:

People who voted Cloud that were on the fence last time won't vote Sephiroth this time?
Anti-Return Champion votes won't hurt Cloud?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Anti-Return Champion votes won't hurt Cloud?

Didn't seem to hurt Link last year.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

LoL, of course they did. If last year was the first contest, I have no doubt that Link would have defeated Cloud by ATLEAST the same margin Cloud defeated him by.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Wouldn't the people who voted for him in the first place generally be fans of his? So wouldn't fans of Cloud's prefer him to win again? It's not like they are going to abandon him just because he won once already...
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"LoL, of course they did. If last year was the first contest, I have no doubt that Link would have defeated Cloud by ATLEAST the same margin Cloud defeated him by."

Again, another person with an assumption that is made to seem as if it is fact. This is exactly what HM does as well. "I have no doubt...". I'm sorry but no matter what you believe, there is no way to gaurantee what you just said as 100% correct.

LoL, of course they did. If last year was the first contest, I have no doubt that Link would have defeated Cloud by ATLEAST the same margin Cloud defeated him by.

.... >_<
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So you're saying 5,000 cared THAT much or even were AROUND for the first contest and voted for Cloud over Link even though they normally would've voted the opposite? Yeah, right. Nobody but the board cares about "revenge."
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Of course there is no way to tell, but let me get you people's opinions:

Would Link have defeated Cloud last year, if it was the first contest?

And for Bonus points, would Link have defeated Cloud last year if he had gotten an Adult Link pic instead of his Wind Waker pic?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Answer to both your questions:

No way to know.

No way to know.

No, and no. Link performed almost exactly as he should have in 2002 compared to 2003. The only thing that threw his repeat out the window was Cloud's massive increase.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Would Link have defeated Cloud last year, if it was the first contest?

Yes, because that would mean that it was before KH. It has nothing to do with anti-champion votes.

And for Bonus points, would Link have defeated Cloud last year if he had gotten an Adult Link pic instead of his Wind Waker pic?

I would bet that the picture could net him maybe 500 or 600 votes (people changing votes from Cloud to Link.) Obviously not enough to change the outcome... But some people believe differently...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

And how do you account for Cloud going from "OWN'D by Mario" to "A Winner Is You!"?

I doubt Kingdom Hearts gave him a 20,000 vote boost.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Also goku, if you yourself admit that there is no way to know if Link would have beaten Cloud last year had it been the first contest, then don't go off about how you have "No doubt" that he would have.

I doubt there are enough people who care enough about not having a repeat champion to give Cloud an extra 20,000 votes. Again, that's a board thing. Don't put too much stock into it. I doubt very many people even remember who won last year unless you pay a lot of attention to it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

That is what I mean. I have no doubt that Link would triumph. But we will never know.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

That's because you seem to think what the board thinks represents the entire voting pool. Pictures don't matter; seeds don't matter; who won last year doesn't matter.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

If you have no doubt that Link would triumph, then technically, you would know wouldn't you? Think about what you're saying. You're passing it off as if you're 100% sure victory would be his and therefore the outcome isn't up in the air if that's the case.

I disagree. But we won't ever know who is right, so just drop it.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

I'm beyond sick of this talk of anti-champion voting, and all related bull****. It matters as much in these polls as any other anti factor, which translates into being too small to matter.

On another note, all this Samus love made me go play some SSBM. Damn, she owns in that game.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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From: goku z | Posted: 9/2/2004 8:45:49 PM | Message Detail
I disagree. But we won't ever know who is right, so just drop it.

You're the one that brought it up in the first place.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

It may have minimal influence, Ulti, but minimal is enough to pull 1000-2000 votes from Cloud to Sephiroth, which might be enough.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

On another note, all this Samus love made me go play some SSBM. Damn, she owns in that game.

Too bad her short jump sucks. =(

But her recovery kicks ass. <3
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

It may have minimal influence, Ulti, but minimal is enough to pull 1000-2000 votes from Cloud to Sephiroth, which might be enough.

Wouldn't be enough, and I doubt the number is anywhere close to 4 digits.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Goku, get your facts straight. Sephiroth lost to Cloud by 4711 votes.

Yes, but two people just jumped on me, basically saying "I am right, you are wrong." so it is pointless to continue the conversation when we are just going to waste 20 minutes arguing back and forth and accomplishing nothing but getting a little older and a little fatter typing on a video game message board.

PS - Samus DOES own in Melee.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Well 2375 people changing their votes from Cloud to Link/Sephiroth would be enough (subtract 2375 from Cloud, add 2375 to Link)... But I just don't see that happening due to some factor like "anti-champion" or "picture voters" >.>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Also, I would like to apologize to Cena yesterday for criticizing his prediction of 84% for Samus. Looks like overshooting the stats paid off.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

LoL crypptic, I don't memorize poll results, I just go by what I remember from last year. And it is working pretty well for me so far, as I still have my perfect bracket, though I'm starting to think Yoshi will snatch it from me ><
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

From: goku z | Posted: 9/2/2004 8:47:19 PM | Message Detail
It may have minimal influence, Ulti, but minimal is enough to pull 1000-2000 votes from Cloud to Sephiroth, which might be enough.

Even 1000 votes is vastly overestimating the voters. To think that enough people outside of this board care about this contest enough to anti-vote the champion in such large numbers is asonine. At the most, I would bet on around 100-200 such people voting in that manner. Personally, I hope Sephiroth wins the entire contest, but you won't find me crediting anti-champion votes should he beat Cloud. If anything, him beating cloud could be a possible return to the 2002 strength of these characters, which is not entirely out of the question.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

goku, what possessed you to go with Tails, but not Jill Valentine? Just felt like ignoring the stats and all that?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

"LoL crypptic, I don't memorize poll results, I just go by what I remember from last year."

I don't either. It's called looking up the numbers from the past contest brackets.

I didn't look at any stats when I filled out my bracket. I go with my past knowledge of the contest, and most of all my gut instinct.

I thought Freeman/Fisher was harder to call then Ryu/Jill and Tails/Joe, actually.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Past knowledge of the contest doesn't do you many favors if you thought Freeman had a chance of winning.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

*sigh* crypptic, I know how you found the numbers, I just though it was funny that you had the motivation to go look it up just to prove that a 4000 vote turnaround wouldn't be enough. In fact, I still think it is funny. *chuckle*
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Well, I obviously didn't think he had a chance of winning, because I chose Fisher. Tails/Joe was almost as wide of a margin as Freeman/Fisher, and a lot of perfects got that one wrong. I seriously doubt I will win, but it has been a good run so far ^^
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

I actually had the 4711 number memorized. Maybe that's more obsessive.

>_> <_<
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*tag* This is just a beating of epic proportion...any chance we won't see Lara come next year???
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Always a chance buddy but probably unlikely if other fodders keep getting in as well.

We NEED a Mega Man-Samus finals. That's all I'll say. That would own so much.

Oh, how I can agree on that. With Mega Man winning of course.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*gasp*

Do you like MM over Mario now, HM?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

She is far cooler than Link or Mario could ever dream to be, and like I said in the last topic, she is a better suit to be the Nintendo mascot. She can appeal to literally anyone.

Mario is, by far, the best mascot for Nintendo and there isn't a reason in the world for that to change. And if they were to get a new one it would obviously go to Link as he's the second-in-command as far as Nintendo goes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I completely and totally agree with HM on the nintendo mascot thingie.
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Spy for the --Miles 'Tails' Prower army--
Sc2k4 score 31/32 next pick Link

The true mascot of Nintendo is the stereotypical elementary school child.

Prove it. Show me once where I explicitly showed unwavering support for those three. I simply go against your argument from time to time to counter it.

From time to time? Everytime you argue with me on something contest related the first thing that would come up is either Cloud or Sephiroth. And even in the stats topic once, you seemed more pro-Cloud and pro-Sephiroth over other characters.

Because you're pro-Nintendo,

If anything I've been showing more of a Capcom bias recently than Nintendo.

I try to bring the argument to the side of its rival, and on this site, that would be Square.

Well, in the case of my Mega Man topic earlier the only two people you seemed to bring up were Cloud and Sephiroth. I never really heard you speak of Link throughout the argument, and it's the fact that everytime we have a disagree the main two characters brought up are those Final Fantasy 7 stars.

From those experiences I figured you had a greater liking toward those two as opposed to anyone else.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Ask anyone what the first word they think of when they hear Nintendo and I'd bet a majority will say "Mario," with "Game Cube" in a distant second.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

This is exactly what HM does as well. "I have no doubt...". I'm sorry but no matter what you believe, there is no way to gaurantee what you just said as 100% correct.

In my "no doubts" there is more up in the air kind of things. The anti-champion votes have shown to not affect Link's strength.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Samus is well known among the gaming community, but the average joe won't have any idea.

People who haven't touched video games in their entire lives know who Mario is.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

I have mentioned Link. The reason he's mentioned less is because you're more biased towards him as well and favor him over Cloud/Sephiroth being Nintendo and all. As a result, I bring the argument to the other side once again by discussing them.

Just so you can hear this now: The winner of this year is up in the air between the big three. Any of them have as good a chance as the others to win it all and I stick by that decision. I've personally chosen Cloud as the champion but that is in no way a confident and secure pick on my behalf. I'm well aware and am open to the fact that either Sephiroth or Link can take this as well.

And also HM, for the record, my favorite character is the badass infiltration expert himself: Solid Snake.

Ask anyone what the first word they think of when they hear Nintendo and I'd bet a majority will say "Mario," with "Game Cube" in a distant second.

I think of "Super Nintendo" first. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

The true mascot of Nintendo is the stereotypical elementary school child.

People like you are the reason people like me get arrested for murder.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

lol. I know you love me.

Were you serious about that statement? O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You're going to hear "Game Boy" before GameCube. 15 years and still strong for GB and its succesors, while GCN is a 3rd place console in a very competitive market.
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Summer Contest Match 31 Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman
Status 28/31 Points: 028 Next: Samus Aran vs. Lara Croft

People like you are the reason people like me get arrested for murder.

I agree.
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Well...maybe not murder.

Just rape. With a spork.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

I have mentioned Link. The reason he's mentioned less is because you're more biased towards him as well and favor him over Cloud/Sephiroth being Nintendo and all. As a result, I bring the argument to the other side once again by discussing them.

Well, you could see why I think you have had a bias toward Cloud/Sephiroth. Everytime we argue you bring those two up and leave out the other person who is equal to them. Prior to this little debate I had no idea you didn't use Link simply because I like him.

Just a note, Cloud actually ranks in my top 10 characters. Betcha didn't know that. ;)

Just so you can hear this now: The winner of this year is up in the air between the big three.

Four. He's blue and goes by the name of Mega Man. I will stand by him taking it until I have something to think otherwise (losing to someone).

I'm well aware and am open to the fact that either Sephiroth or Link can take this as well.

You should also open up and realize how someone else could come up and win. The major problem I usually see is people thinking there is absolutely no way others stand a chance at winning (aside from those three). Sure, we don't have a reason from last year's contest to believe such but that's why you look at things that could have changed over the year (SFF, games, etc.)

And also HM, for the record, my favorite character is the badass infiltration expert himself: Solid Snake.

*thumbs up* Good to know. =)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

GCN is 2nd worldwide >_>

Stupid easily convinced America. Atleast those Japanese people know how to treat the newcomers. Goooo anti-Xbox Japan!


*Yes, I own an Xbox, but GCN >>> Xbox in every good genre*
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

My conversation with my roommate went like this.

"Hey Chris, what's the first word you think of when you hear the word Nintendo?"

"I dunno, why?"

"Just answer it."

"Mario I guess."

He has a Samus desktop background right now by the way.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

Okay, I just went next door and asked the four people in there.

Two said Mario, one said Game Cube but then said after hearing the others that Mario was a better choice, and another said Game Boy.

One was on the phone and I told him to ask whoever he was talking to, and he said that his girlfriend (the person he was talking to) said Mario.

-Dabu

Think fast. Click faster.

GCN is 2nd worldwide >_>

Actually, with the lastest statements released from Nintendo and Microsoft the GCN is ranked third worldwide. 15.50 million to 15.25 million.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Two said Mario, one said Game Cube but then said after hearing the others that Mario was a better choice, and another said Game Boy.

No SNES mentions? O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

LoL

I stand corrected. But still, all Nintendo needs to do is merge with Capcom and Square Enix. THEN we will see who is #1! Bwahahaha.

I hate the casual American gamer.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

I polled three people on my buddy list and got these answers:

Pokemon! - V.V

LINK! - acceptable

sucks ass - I hate my friends.
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Nintendo + Capcom = Me in heaven.

That would be a dream come true. =p Square Enix? Yeah, yeah add them in there too... or something.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And Samus keeps going up... When does the night vote start? And will she go down during the night?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I don't think she'll fall later on in this match. Maybe a slight fall from lack of votes, but it shouldn't be anything drastic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Four. He's blue and goes by the name of Mega Man. I will stand by him taking it until I have something to think otherwise (losing to someone).

Heh, after today, I think you have to add Samus into the equation if Mega Man also gets included. We might be looking at the Fab Five here (and preferable to the Michigan Wolverine version).

The impressive thing is that Samus has been constantly gaining all day despite how incredibly high her percentage already is.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Samus was expected to get 70% from the extrapolateds, right? So a combination of her rise and a drop from Lara has allowed her to overperform by 12.33% (as of this post).

Cool ^_^.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Heh, Samus couldn't even break 80% against Isaac, and she's getting mid-80s on Lara Croft. I think that's enough to show that this massive overperformance is mostly Ms. Aran herself.

This is 2002 level Samus + Metroid Prime right here.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heh, Samus couldn't even break 80% against Isaac, and she's getting mid-80s on Lara Croft. I think that's enough to show that this massive overperformance is mostly Ms. Aran herself.

We could say that, or we could say Lara fell alot. I'm going to wait until she faces Sam to see.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

We could say that, or we could say Lara fell alot. I'm going to wait until she faces Sam to see.

But it'll be so much more fun to get our hopes up about her chances. =D
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sam Fisher isn't really going to give us a good idea either since his performance against Gordon was WAY off. Either way, I think it'd be strange for Lara to stay static for 2 years and then take a drastic dive.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Sooo, what do you guys think about Magus/Crono?
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SC2k4 Current Score: 29/32 Link vs Ganondorf
The undisputed master of the mountains of Shiv

I want to see how her second encounter with Sonic goes. She's looking stronger than ever at this point.

Crono wins around 52/48 without any SFF, but he'll probably win by more.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Sooo, what do you guys think about Magus/Crono?

Crono wins. MWIS, Ulti, and maybe some other people I don't know about type extremely long, rambling essays on why Crono is crappy compared to Magus and shouldn't be winning.

^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sooo, what do you guys think about Magus/Crono?

Whoever wins, it'll be a close match. I side with the bishie.
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I still can't believe people think Luigi will beat Yoshi. I hope to see this one take down a lot of brackets.

I bet a lot of people said the thing about Tails beating Joe....and vice versa. Let's just wait until Saturday to decide our fates.....

Crono/Magus? Oh, SFF all over. I predict no less than 55%. 56/44%.

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Goku wins 55-45%
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Sooo, what do you guys think about Magus/Crono?

If reverse SFF is present in this match, Magus could very well upset.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

This is 2002 level Samus + Metroid Prime right here.

Funny how 2002 numbers are just popping up everywhere isn't it? Quite frankly, certain characters such as these going up to give the big 3 much more competition makes for a better contest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hyrule division is probably going to destroy my bracket....
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Only Crono vs. Mario and Luigi vs. Yoshi are iffy, right? I thought that Hyrule was one of the easier divisions.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hyrule division is probably going to destroy my bracket....

Why? Hyrule was like, the easiest division to predict save Yoshi/Luigi and Mario/Crono (which weren't too hard picks for me)
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Samus is looking great today, but who knows how much of this is due to Lara's popularity crumbling. I agree with the people who want to see a Mega Man / Samus final, although Crono / Samus (or Magus / Samus!) would also be awesome.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 29/31
Current Oracle ranking: 3nd | Current pick: Samus

I could only see Yoshi/Luigi and Mario/Crono giving trouble in that division. On that note, I'm tired of seeing Mario vs. Crono.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

On that note, I'm tired of seeing Mario vs. Crono.

Just remember to give up with about two hours and a 800 vote lead left to go this time. =P
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think Ceej is smart enough to do that match one more time. Next year, we shouldn't see it.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

MM and Samus would be good.

Samus would crush Magus though, no contest.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

The only way Mario-Crono will ever end is if Crono wins or if someone actually wins fairly, though the first is FAR more likely.

That being said, third time's a charm.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Well, it's just not hooking me as much as the first two times were. I'd rather see what Crono and Mario can do without having to face each other in the same division. Opposite sides of the bracket would be nice.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Just because I'm still unsure of how those two matches are going to come out, and I'm pretty confident about all my other picks....

Paranoia is all
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Now that it is after the fact, I am not afraid to admit I voted several times for Mario in M/C2.

Do you mind if I borrow one of your lines?

People like you are the reason people like me get arrested for murder.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Please be forewarned that posts offering multiple votes, talking about vote-stuffing methods, or bragging about voting multiple times are not tolerated on this board.

I suggest you delete that, goku.
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Thanks, LoL

Stupid ToS...I thought I had read it so thouroughly too ><

*cough168cough*
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Same, I'd like to see Mario and Crono go up against opponents like Mega Man, Samus, Snake, Sonic...
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Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

You can see that message right before you post. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I said it in the last topic, but I think it went unnoticed. Magus vs. Crono is a waste. Magus doesn't deserve to be thrown against Crono. Neither one deserves such a match this early. All this match has done is bring about Crono negativity (Crono needs all the help he can get for Mario/Crono III) and how Magus is a superior character than Crono. That's obvious though... Magus and Crono are liked for two different reasons.

UltimaterializerX asked for a good reason why someone would vote Crono over Magus. I'll give one... THE one.... Crono is the face of the game obviously, and I think people grew attached to him when they tech'd and combo'd their way through the game. You have to think of Crono in the same way as Mario, Link, and MegaMan (not in legacy, but their actual roles in their game). People naturally are attracted to the protaganist. That's pretty much the ONLY reason why someone would like him better than Magus. He's the main character and he kicks ass... It may sound ignorant, but you will be surprised how many people would think that....

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You're right. Magus doesn't belong in this over-powered Hyrule Division. It you stuck him in Chaos, he could be Elite 8 material.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Magus would not beat Sonic, sorry to say. He'd definitely reach the Sweet Sixteen, but that's it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Magus would not beat Sonic,

Nothing says he wouldn't, unless Sonic reverted back to a more 2002-ish level.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I doubt that Magus is Elite Eight material.

I'd say he is tenth or eleventh material. Sonic would mostly likely beat him, as would Solid Snake. Magus just is not as popular as Crono, and that will be show in a few days.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

I hope anybody in authority realizes that goku was making a point, not bragging. He's simply saying that a lot more people are vote stuffing than you'd previously think, in backing of the statement that a fair match is unlikely. Voting a few times in a poll a few years ago is completely unrelated to his status on the board.

Also, if reverse SFF took magus over crono, would magus then be the favorite against Mario? Or if not be the favorite, be expected to do as well as you expect Crono to do against Mario?
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Score: 31/32
Hyrule picks: Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario

I really don't care what the rankings say. I would never take Magus to beat Sonic, even at his 2003 level.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I fully agree with Leonhart.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

O_O


Is this topic glitching or is it just me?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

That's weird on 50 posts on page 4 it shows that I can access it, but I don't see any posts must be a glitch
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Yep, the boards are glitching up again...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

I would never take Magus to beat Sonic, even at his 2003 level

I wouldn't rely on the rankings for this match either, but I would take Magus over Sonic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And that's why I said "could". I wouldn't put Magus over Sonic, but Magus still has a pretty good chance of getting past the hedgehog.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Wow, big surprise. If anyone stands a chance of beating Sonic, you'd take them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I wouldn't rely on the rankings for this match either, but I would take Magus over Sonic

Well DUH! *falls down anime style*
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Is it just me, or are there no posts on the fourth page?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Good thing is, it'd be more than just standing a chance. Magus would have a great one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's a glitch. Happened to me too. It's fixed now.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well, I haven't had any problems with it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

board is glitching up
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

And people, I'm well aware that Mario is the current Nintendo mascot. I also think he sucks. I say that we should give Samus, not Mario, the next 20 years and 100 games in the Nintendo franchise.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Magus would defeat Zero, but I could not choose Magus over Sonic. It would be a tramashamockery.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

CJayC said on MBA that one of the servers is having problems and that there will be glitches as a result. Plus, there's going to be downtime.
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Contest Stats: 29/31 Next Pick: Samus Aran
Today's subliminal thought is:

I say that we should give Samus,

I say that we don't.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

it's been happening ever since the boards went down
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Never Mario > all
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Bah, quiet Ulti, you think everything sucks >_<
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

I would be genuinely shocked if Magus were to beat Sonic. That's how confident I am that the blue blur would win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Magus would defeat Zero,

Not exactly a certainty there. I'd pick Zero, but obviously Magus would be a favorite.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You'd pick Zero over Magus, but Magus over Sonic, even though Sonic beat Zero?

*confused*
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Heroic Mario, you really don't have to tell anyone who you'd take in any match. As long as your preferred character stands a chance to win, you'd take them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

He would also take Zero in a rematch with Sonic.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

You'd pick Zero over Magus, but Magus over Sonic, even though Sonic beat Zero?

anti-sega and pro-capcom does that to you

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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

You'd pick Zero over Magus, but Magus over Sonic, even though Sonic beat Zero?

I don't think Zero has fully reached his peak yet. I've also been a big supporter that if a rematch between Zero and Sonic were to go down that Zero would win.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Leonheart beat me to it. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

There's optimism, and then there's bias.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

This topic is sure filling up fast, isn't it?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Extremely.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yes, of course Magus would have the greatest chance out of the non-Noble Nine, but I still don't think he would BEAT Sonic.... Even though he may be the WEAKEST icon, Sonic is still an icon. I don't see Magus being able to eclipse that next tier, even if the extrapolated rankings say so. I'd have to see Magus SOUNDLY beat Shadow before I'd give him a chance of beating Sonic. I do agree that Magus is the strongest of the rest, although Auron and Tidus would give him good matches as well... Magus takes it for being a sheer bad-ass character though. Bonus points...
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Bah. Mario's an icon too and he could lose a match to Crono, don't see people complaining on that one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Sonic is kinda gonna lose to Ryu...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

The Noble Nine are looking very strong this year. Sonic, Samus, and Snake are looking better then last year. I just can't put Magus in their tier just yet.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Sonic is kinda gonna lose to Ryu...

HA!
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Yeah, it is pretty funny.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Crono is the face of Chrono Trigger. He's a SNES RPG legend.

And Mario's already been whipped by a non-icon in Sephiroth. That one I was not pleased with, but what can ya do?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The way I look at things Samus ranks down near the bottom of the Noble Nine. Here's how I figure the results at:

Link/Cloud/Sephiroth >>Crono/Mario>>MegaMan>>Snake>>Samus>>Sonic

After this it gets turned into mush by characters like Ryu and Magus (who should meet in 2K5 btw) and Ganon and Tidus and Shadow and Aeris and Zelda and Squall....the list just keeps going doesn't it? Anyways I'm talking about Samus here.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:43.55 || HRC 37,179.9 ||

Put Mega Man ahead of Mario and Crono, and put Samus just behind them. That's more accurate. At least for now anyway.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I just think if you are going to pick Sonic based on his status alone, then people should be picking him to get much farther than what they actually do. After seeing many icons lose in this contest, or come close, to other characters who aren't icons it kind of ruins it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Magus =/= Crono. I didn't mention Crono for a reason. His game is big enough for him to be popular because he is the main character. But it's NOT big enough to bring Magus up there too, like FFVII did for Cloud and Sephiroth. I still would take Sonic with no question, getting both my vote and my bracket pick.

*SPOILERS*
I just replayed Chrono Trigger and one thing that bothered me is that there isn't ENOUGH of Magus (and TOO much Frog). You see the statue and then don't see him until the SECOND time you go to 600 A.D. By the time you can actually GET him, the meat of the story is over. I wish he played a bigger role. He deserves it. Who in their right mind would want to kill Magus when playing the game? I lost all respect for Frog when he still wanted to kill Magus after hearing his story.... <_<
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Link/Cloud/Sephiroth >>Crono/Mario>>MegaMan>>Snake>>Samus>>Sonic

Crono/Mario ahead of Mega Man?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I just think if you are going to pick Sonic based on his status alone, then people should be picking him to get much farther than what they actually do. After seeing many icons lose in this contest, or come close, to other characters who aren't icons it kind of ruins it.

Sonic lost an extremely close match to Samus, and he got beat by Cloud, who won the contest. Otherwise, he's done fairly well in this contest. I never said his icon status alone should be a factor. I brought up his icon status against Magus and Magus alone. Magus doesn't have the exposure of Sephiroth in his game, and his game didn't have the exposure of FFVII. It may be close, but I don't see Sonic actually losing to any of the wouldbe threats (Magus, Ryu, Zero).
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Thanks to the SFF-riddled bracket, the only character that should come close to the rest of the Noble Nine in the rankings this year is Tidus. Magus, Ganondorf, Auron, and Zero will all be hit in their future matches.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Samus ahead by 50,000 votes now. Goodness, this is absolute ownage.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Link/Cloud/Sephiroth >>Crono/Mario>>MegaMan>>Snake>>Samus>>Sonic

Crono/Mario ahead of Mega Man?

I do agree with this, despite the rankings saying that MegaMan would win. Even with both of them, but for some reason, Crono in my mind, seems like he'ld have an easier time.
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Replies from last topic...

"(i.e. Squall killing Kirby like he was Crono)."

What sort of a rediculous statement is that? Squall, assuming no drop-off in popularity, should do as well against Kirby as Ryu did KOS in the sense that he should do very close to what the stats say. Why? Kirby should have been hit wiht SFF too, just from the other side.

"I just don't think Earthworm Jim was ever really all that popular.

You'd be very wrong then. Just ask Chichiri or anyone else for that matter."

HM is correct, I could say Earthworm Jim to any gamer I knew in those days and they not only knew what game I was talking about but they owned it or had played it. At the time EWJ was quite a big deal.

"This has happened not even a month ago with Chichiri."

And aren't you glad?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Earthworm Jim rocked back in the day.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Match XXXI: (7) Sam vs. (10) Gordon Review

Sam beat Gordon, 55.43% - 44.57%

Wow I never thought Gordon would bring Sam below 60%. Either Sam has token a bad drop or if Gordon has made another leap in the x-st. We’ll only know by next round. Also the last 0 bracket is now gone. I can’t believe that you can get all of the hard matches “wrong” yet get such an easy one right. Also 10 perfects fall off the perfect list. I guess the performance for Half-Life last spring may have won over a few bracket makers.

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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Match XXXIII: (1) Link vs. (8) Ganondorf Preview

Past Performances:

Link: 2002

Defeated Little Mac, 84.31% - 15.69%
Defeated Strider, 75.77% - 24.23%
Defeated Jill, 72.63% - 27.37%
Defeated Scorpion, 75.98% - 24.02%
Defeated Sephiroth, 56.65% - 43.35%
Defeated Mario, 62.53% - 37.47%
Ranked: 1st

Link: 2003

Defeated AiAi, 91.35% - 8.65%
Defeated Fox, 82.47% - 17.53%
Defeated Magus, 65.07% - 34.93%
Defeated Samus, 62.06% - 37.94%
Lost to Cloud, 48.39% - 51.61%
Ranked: 2nd

Link: 2004

Defeated CATS, 87.83% - 12.17%

Ganondorf: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Ganondorf: 2003

Defeated Tidus, 50.68% - 49.32%
Lost to Magus, 49.70% - 50.30%
Ranked: 11th

Ganondorf: 2004

Defeated Alucard, 57.16% - 42.84%

Analysis:

Well last round we have Link overperforming against CATS. But he really isn’t the heavy favorite to win it because unlike the other two years we had mass topics about CATS and them trying to rally for votes. This being the first match of the contest made there topics less visible. Heck I think the only topic I saw that was big for CATS and tried to rally for votes was just the CATS Army topics. But the joke fad could be dying out too. Ganondorf on the other hand underperformed against Alucard. His match was supposed to be over 60/40 yet he got 57%. Though like Link I don’t think Ganondorf would go up or down so most of it can be blame on Alucard’s rise in popularity.

Well this is the first match of round 2 and like the first and last match of round 1 this won’t be close, but it won’t be that big of a blowout. This is also the first or many SFF matches we’ll be having on this round. They may look nice on paper, but when you look at them it’s obvious on whom the winner will be and this match is no exception. It may be an interesting Hero vs. Villain match, but it’s not going to be close.

First thing is that CJayC tried to set this match up last year, but he came up on about 650 votes short, but since we already know that Magus = Ganondorf and Magus got 35% on Link this match would be easier to predict. But the only problem now is that we don’t know how much SFF Ganondorf would get on Link, but at least we know that he won’t get any higher then 35% (If he did then I think Magus would have a good chance on beating Crono).

Well there you have it a very predictable match and we even have a range on how much SFF Ganondorf would get on Link. It can’t get any easier then that. Well from where I live school will start on September 7th and I’m really hoping we’ll get a close match before I go back because I’ve been to all the boring ones during summer so why can’t I be there during the interesting match. Also I think this match might be one of the highest predicted of the round.

Charmander’s Bracket: Link

Charmander’s Prediction: Link wins, 68.79% - 31.21%

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"Earthworm Jim is better known to the average gamer above 18 than any RPG character in the tournament not from Final Fantasy."

Agree or disagree?
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if you have said that last year I would through Pikachu in your face (but he's really not that strong)
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

"Funny how 2002 numbers are just popping up everywhere isn't it?"

I set things in motion, man.

"Magus wouldnb't beat Sonic, blah blah blah"

It's still within his ability until the stats say otherwise.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Agree or disagree?

Any 18 year old? Well I'd say Pikachu, if it counts, because Pokemon was at its peak in 1998/1999, wasn't it? I was 12 at the time, anyway, and I'm almost 18 now. But besides a few Pokemon and maybe a person or two from that game, I doubt an 18 year old would be more likely to recognise an RPG character over Earthworm Jim...
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"Agree or disagree?"

Agree, of course. As much as we know and love CT it's not the same to the average gamer, and everythign else falls behind. May, just maybe Sora... but I can't even see that.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'd take Magus over Sonic, but I, like HM, am biased. I still feel it could definitely happen, though.
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Current Pick: Samus; Current Vote: Samus; Points: 30/31
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

I'm not especially biased I was willing to take Magus over not only Sonic but also Snake last year before we had the correctly done stats that told us he was above Sonic.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'm not especially biased **and** I was willing to take Magus over...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Is it just me or are there a lot less voters right now. They just broke 500 maybe it was because of the site going down
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

well i just saw 700 broken, and I'm too lazy to check against last night, although, how do you see the past battles on creativename's site, I know theres someway too, and wow at link's early percentage
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Thank God SFF adjusted X-Stats exist after this blowout. Just imagine where Ganon and Alucard will be without them being adjusted.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Link is at 85 percent. This had better not stay this way, or else this will have been the SFF battle to end all SFF battles.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

You kidding me? When it comes down to it, Link benefits more than anyone from SFF. Look at the Spring.
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Ganondorf has 15 percent. By any standard I can think of, that makes this the nastiest SFF we would have on record.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Name Rank
Gordon Freeman 54
Gannondorf 55
CATS 56
Alucard 57
bleh for editing....


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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

this massive sff though?

this will be a ton if it stays this way
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I don't think we've ever had SFF by more than 10% or so. This would be in the 20's I think.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Ganondorf is more related to Link than any other two character that could face SFF in this contest really. I'm pretty sure Mario - Bowser won't even be this bad.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 27/31 Next Pick: Samus

but what about Cloud and Sephiroth?


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Sephiroth is his own character. All Ganondorf is and has been is Link's final boss fight. Sephiroth and Cloud are both liked for different reasons well almost everyone that likes Ganondorf likes Link more prob.
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 27/31 Next Pick: Samus

This is in the 20s. Or atleast close to it. Ganondorf in 2003 was at 34.72% vs Link.
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Score: 31/32
Hyrule picks: Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario

13.59% for Ganon currently, so yeah, over 20% from everything we know. I suppose some of it could be due to Link having one of the most badass pics I've ever seen, but somehow I don't think so.
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I want Link to perform even better during the day. Even with SFF, seeing Gannon do worse then Cats would be hillarious.

Good grief.

I thought Link could get up to 76%-77% with SFF, but this? Ganon's strength has been reduced by over 60% here. That's equivalent to a 150% rise--DK "only" rose about 88%. So this is approaching twice the SFF of DK!

And Ganon will likely suffer significantly from the day vote. He might end up beneath 12% by the time this is over.

In a way, this does indicate how much Metroid and Super Metroid may have suffered from in the Spring Contest. While Link-Ganon SFF is out of the question for them, DK-level SFF is now no longer as tough to swallow.

If Mario/Bowser is this bad, Mario will win that with 84%. I don't think that will be quite as bad, because Bowser is a pretty lovable villain--I think he has his own fanbase, whereas I would think that Ganon pretty much just rides the coat-tails of the Zelda series. Still, I'll expect most Oracle predictions in that match to now be in the high-70's.


PS--why were all those posts on the 1st page baleeted?
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SC2K4.com/Frog

Everyone was going "First", "Second", and so on.
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the new topic was made, and they all just started posting 'second post!!" '6th!!' And spamming like so.

And ganondorf is slowly pulling it back, but I'd expect him to get more votes in the night than in the day. Also, I ran some projections based on tanners total at 53 minutes. It put Ganondorf at less than 10,000!

What I think is funny, is that Alucard is going to get absolutely shafted in the stats. I'm not sure exactly how to work them, but I came up with freeman level numbers when I tried. Next years new bracket makers will have no clue how strong he and ganondorf are.
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Score: 31/32
Hyrule picks: Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario

It'll be very easy to adjust this for SFF though. Just put Ganon at 2K3 level, maybe a bit lower to be conservative. So it's no biggie. There's not much reason to pay attention to the un-adjusted stuff.

Poor Bowser though. He deserves better than what it looks like he'll get.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

Heh, this SFF-ing from here to wherever is learning Ganondorf for costing me a point. ALucard would have got at least 20% :-)
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Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Average score per division

Hyrule: 6.9282
20xx: 5.9119
Midgar: 5.7551
Chaos: 5.8065

So while Chaos looked like the toughest division from the start, it actually wasn't. Those last three were all pretty darn close together, while Hyrule was rediculously easy to predict.

Overall, the average score after round 1 on gameFAQs is 24.4017, with 15 (-0), and 179 (-1). Yes, a "once was (-1)" picked Lara over Samus *sigh*



I used sums of prediction percentages for those numbers, so they are accurate to the same degree as the prediction percentages, all of which were rounded before I could sum them. I'm way too lazy to actually make a distribution, this works just as well. G'nite.
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Score: 31/32
Hyrule picks: Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario

wow.

this match is just plain stupid. Link with over 87%? this division really is going to have SFF to the most extreme degree ever. do you realize that this match puts Ganondorf on the same level of fodder as CATS? ouch. so much for using extrapolated standings from this year's results.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

... I can't believe you actually marked the whole first page.
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Not another Heroic user!!!!!!

Um... all your Triforce are belong to us?

For the love of God, come on. Ganondorf is losing 22 points to SFF? He's massively outdoing DK here, who "only" lost 15.

And just to settle the argument on who Nintendo's mascot is, here's a suggestion we can all agree on...

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REGGIE!!!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

after Round One:

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
5) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
6) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
7) 64.78% - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
8) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
9) 61.68% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
10) 60.56% - Dante over Ratchet

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
3) 62319 - Link over CATS
4) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 54178 - Samus Aran over Lara Croft
6) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
7) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
8) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
9) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
10) 44835 - Dante over Ratchet

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.04% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
2) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
3) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
4) 9.60% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
5) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
6) 10.86% - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
7) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
8) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
9) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
10) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 27 - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
2) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
3) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
4) 7397 - Ness over Jak
5) 7673 - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
6) 8163 - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
7) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
8) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
9) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
10) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
6) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
7) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
8) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
9) 84379 - KOS-MOS vs. Ryu
10) 83610 - Samus Aran vs. Lara Croft

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70413 - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
3) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
4) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
5) 74039 - Dante vs. Ratchet
6) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
7) 75219 - Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman
8) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
9) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
10) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne

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Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 74251 - Solid Snake
3) 72344 - Link
4) 71329 - Cloud
5) 70219 - Megaman
6) 68889 - Samus Aran
7) 65184 - Mario
8) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog
9) 62375 - Crono
10) 61731 - Bowser

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12243 - Sly Cooper
4) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
5) 12847 - J.C. Denton
6) 13367 - Luca Blight
7) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
8) 14602 - Ratchet
9) 14721 - Lara Croft
10) 15316 - Terry Bogard

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 36102 - Viewtiful Joe
6) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
7) 35193 - Jill Valentine
8) 33528 - Gordon Freeman
9) 32733 - Jak
10) 31954 - KOS-MOS

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 35220 - Ryu Hayabusa
2) 40130 - Ness
3) 41440 - Vyse
4) 41691 - Sam Fisher
5) 43775 - Tails
6) 43913 - Frog
7) 47578 - Knuckles
8) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
9) 48334 - Tidus
10) 48443 - Vivi

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
10) 91.74% - Samus Aran over Lara Croft

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 46.30% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
5) 48.56% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
6) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
7) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
8) 65.22% - Sam Fisher over Gordon Freeman
9) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
10) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Nobody got 90% on their opponent. Damn.
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KolMartin

Snake broke 90% against Tanner, but the DIFFERENCE between him and Tanner was 88.60% (94.30 - 5.70).

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oh... o_0
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KolMartin

Well I expected Link to have about 72%. O_o I guess one could say that this exceeds my SFF expectations. XD

This might be the biggest Round 2 blowout, which I was sure was going to go to Cloud. I figured he'd get about 82% on Vyse, but I guess I underestimated the SFF.

It'll be hilarious next year for the n00bs:

"OMG last year ganondorf only got 12% on LInK!1 He is teh weak!1 CATS can beat him, omg!!!1"

>>>>XD
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Man Ganondorf is getting murdered bad, I never imagined Link to be doing this good.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 31/32
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

And on top of that Link seems to push even more with the day vote.

Ganondorf below CATS... I just can't believe it. Alucard could end up above the sole Tanner, as well.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

Ganondorf below CATS... I just can't believe it. Alucard could end up above the sole Tanner, as well.

No amount of SFF could put Alucard under Tanner.
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SC2K4 Score: 31/34 Next Pick: Yoshi

Ha... after that epic Super Metroid slaughtering, we Gurus more or less came to the conclusion that "games are easier to SFF than characters." Looks like Ganon's gone and shattered that little illusion.

Crazy.

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I wasn't talking about Alucard ending up below Tanner, but above him and no one else.

Wonder how CJayC would react, seeing his favorite character get mistreated like that.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 030/032 - Matches: 30/32 - Rank: 00195/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Yoshi

Yeah, Ganondorf would have to do worse than Mr. Driller, with Link getting over 94%

Wow, this is absolutely ridiculous. Ganondorf just broke 2000 total votes 6 hours into the poll. I think Mario-Bowser is in for the same sort of treatment but probably not Magus-Crono because Nintendo SFF seems more extreme.

Poor edouble. Seeing Alucard ranking #63 in the stats will give him a heart attack.
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2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Alucard's only hope at this point seems to be Guybrush.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 030/032 - Matches: 30/32 - Rank: 00195/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Yoshi

That's true. Guybrush is going to look absolutely pathetic if Mario gets 75% or more on Bowser.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I am absolutely shocked at these results. Shouldn't there be more votes for a Link match, in any case? And poor Ganon/Alucard.

For the first time, I'm genuinely afraid for my bracket. But oh well, I got on the leaderboard, and I'm almost certain to have my best score yet. I can't be too sad.
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I'm not worried. Link's first test that will really count will be against Mario or Crono.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 030/032 - Matches: 30/32 - Rank: 00195/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Yoshi

Mario won't even really test Link either. If Crono doesn't win, Link can SFF his way to the Final Four.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Matches like this mock the silly stats fads...and I love it personally.

Meanwhile, another 2 points added to my total...
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Perfects to Fall: 15 SC2K4: 31/34 (Go FROG!)

I doubt Link can pick up SFF on Mario. I mean, the first time around there was only a difference of 0.7%, and that can come from anywhere.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 030/032 - Matches: 30/32 - Rank: 00195/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Yoshi

Wow... if Crono/Magus gets hit with any degree of SFF in Crono's favour, Magus could find himself around what? 20th? 25th? Ouch.

On the other hand, the unadjusted stats should be funny to see.
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Even so, we know that whatever SFF there is, it'll favor Link. We need Crono to have an accurate gauge of where he stands and to provide a decent challenge.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Steve, what three did you miss? Tidus, Ness, and Joe?
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 2/2
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Yoshi, Holy **** Ganon got pwned.

Yep those 3...and the funny thing is, I had Tidus and Ness when I first made my bracket and then I switched them. I had Joe all the way from the start, so even if I left Tidus and Ness alone, I would still not be perfect cause I stuck with Joe all along. :(

Shadow kept it close, but Jak really proved to be a stupid pick...
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 15 SC2K4: 31/34 (Go FROG!)

From the fanboy who loves his hero...
To the cosplayer dressed in garb...
For gamers near and gamers far...
Who take this contest close to heart...
Well now its time to mock thee...
For satire is my game...
Read this thread and you will see...
Steve Illumina Speaks!

Yep folks, I am BACK! More irreverent than ever...prepared to bash all that the elites, newbies, and casuals hold dear, all in the name of mockery and self glorification, while wishing all along for nothing more than leaderboard adulation and reverence for the hallowed name of Steve Illumina...

So without further adieu...I shall speak!

Round XXXIII: Link vs Ganondorf

Bracket: Yoshi
Preference: Luigi
Guest Elite Pick of the Day: SLOWFLAKE
Slow's Pick: Yoshi
Oracle %: 58.17 in favor of Yoshi...
Prophet: 12117 votes...
Would Rather Pick: Lemmy Koopa...
Brackets Above Me to Fall: 775 (Was 785 yesterday!)

Comments: The loyal steed of the King of Platformers takes on the loyal sidekick of the aforementioned King in a not so unpredictable sidekick vs supporting character matchup.

This fairly well hyped 2nd rounder is another fine example of Nintendite inner conflict. Every Nintendite has to look deep within his or her gaming heart and decide which of these 2nd tier Nintendo mascot wannabes deserves a spot in the Sweet 16.

They ask themselves such timely questions as...Historical over Modern? Playability vs Controlability? Cuddliness or Filthiness? Whatever those most loyal to the Big N decide, they will be making a great choice...the right to fall to Link in 3 weeks!

There are so many better sidekicks that should be here...more interesting fellows who, even if they are fodder, would bring some real variety! I am talkin about guys like Jimmy Lee, Diddy Kong, Rufus' pet dog, and of course, the goofy drone known as Clank.

And animal mascot wannabes? Well ya got the Chocobo who would actually win matches here, and ya got Barbie's Horse, and those animals you ride in Golden Axe. Yep those would be a force to be reckoned with...would eat Yoshi for breakfast!

This match is split close to the middle...and all that means is some real bracket damage with my victory!

Moving right along now...to the Analysis!

Results: The best match of the 2nd round of the Triforce Division will have Yoshi chomping up his green friend with a respectable win around 60%. I expect half the brackets above me to fall as well...350 or so.

Quotes: "Feed me!" -Yoshi, "Love me!" -Luigi
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Perfects to Fall: 15 SC2K4: 29/32 (Go FROG!)

From: Heroic Kol Martin | Posted: 9/3/2004 7:13:07 AM | Message Detail
... I can't believe you actually marked the whole first page.

I can't believe someone was dumb enough to get usermap axed for imping me, but we all have our moments.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I have just one thing to say at today's results:

Oh my ****ing God!!!!!!
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"I think you've seen enough."--Lara Croft

What owns is that Link may very well hit 90% by the end of the poll.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Poor Alucard ;_; Now he looks really weak.... Is it just me, or is Link alot stronger this year?
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I must move on. I wanted to say I was sorry. Please forgive me, wherever you are.

Link almost to 88%, CATS is now extrapolated to beat Ganondorf and Alucard is falling towar AiAi. :P
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

There is NO way Yoshi gets 60 on Luigi. I wouldn't even think Yoshi could get 60 on Luigi if Luigi didn't look stronger this year.

By Last Years Results: I have Yoshii at 52%
Right Now: Luigi at 50.21%

Shadow kept it close, but Jak really proved to be a stupid pick...

Yea, Jak was a stupid pick. And were it not for him and Joe I would still be perfect and be happy as hell about my being on the leader board. But what can ya do. Does give me a bit of happiness knowing I'm ahead of Mr. Satire though. =)
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First Round Score: 30/32, Second Round Score: 2/2
My Winner: Sephiroth, My Next Pick: Yoshi, Holy **** Ganon got pwned.

Well when I woke up I see Ganondorf doing worse then CATS. Looks like CATS is more popular. lol. Anyways I think the winner of the Yoshi/Luigi match would do better then Ganondorf because at least they have the Mario votes.

Also this doesn't look good for Alucard.
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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

Can someone explain to me how SFF-adjusted XS are formulated?
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We use the characters strength from last year like last year Magus = Ganondorf and Magus got 35% on Link so Ganondorf is expected to get 35% on Link without SFF
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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

This is insane amounts of SFF. I've argued that DK could not possibly have suffered as much SFF as was believed in DK/Mario in the days leading up to DK/Vivi, and after seeing this, I retract my statements. This is completely insane.

Wow.
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Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

Bowser, in all likelyhood, will get it worse that Alucard; he's gonna get SFF'd silly by Mario, then if Mario beats Crono again, Mario should suffer some SFF against Link, though not too awful bad. I fully expect Bowser to be in the bottom ten this year...and Guybrush will be fighting it out with Tanner for dead-last.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

"It'll be very easy to adjust this for SFF though."

Heh, I already went over that issue for every fourpack in the last topic. And you are right, even I will say 2k3 Ganon should have no doubt about his performance.

"ALucard would have got at least 20% :-)"

More than that. In fact, he would have gotten close to 30%

"9) 14721 - Lara Croft
10) 15316 - Terry Bogard"

Hell yeah! It's a victory in my eyes.
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I don't see Bowser doing nearly as bad against Mario as Ganondorf is doing against Link. Bowser has a bigger fanbase, and Mario's fanbase can easily be drawn from him as Shadow has shown. I would think that a good number of those who supported Shadow would support Bowser against Mario as well. Shadow got 45% on Mario. Bowser should do FAR better than DK against Mario. Bowser should fall somewhere between DK and Shadow's performance against Mario.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Donkey Kong got 18% on Mario, I think Bowser can do a little better
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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

"Seeing Alucard ranking #63 in the stats will give him a heart attack."

I don't think that whoever does the stats should make them known until SFF-adjusted stats are also available.

"Shouldn't there be more votes for a Link match, in any case?"

This proves that Ceej is wrong and people don't want to see matches like this.

"I doubt Link can pick up SFF on Mario."

Evidence is alreay making it look like Crono would take around 42% on Link should the two face in stead of allowing Mario. I'm willing to bet there is no less than 2% SFF between Link and Mario.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I just realized that the extrapolated rankings should thank its lucky stars that Magus beat Ganondorf last year. Imagine if it went the other way...the only way we'd have any real sense of Magus's strength would have been his less-than-spectacular win against an over-seeded Sam Fisher. Then, say he lost to Ganon like Ganon lost to him...Ganon gets decimated by Link then instead of now. That would have sent them both FAR down in the rankings, and we'd have no real idea of their true strength. Then, this year, Magus destroyed new-comer Luca Blight...but his next round involves what'll have SFF in a match with Crono.

The only ways we'd have a clue of how powerful Magus would be this year would be how Sam performed against Mr. GFNW (which was NOT impressive) and how Tidus fared against Ganondorf (which many of us didn't expect him to be much more powerful than he was in 2k2, beating Claire Redfield with about 55% of the votes).

I'm almost happy that Magus cost me two points last year now, though I don't care for him much at all.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Claire is pretty strong. The extrapolated rankings show that Claire is stronger than Jill.

Who would win in a poll? Claire or Ryu Hayabusa?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Bowser pull 35% on Mario. Unlike Ganondorf, Bowser's had a more developed personality for a while now, especially in the secondary media. Add that to SMRPG's portrayal possibly swaying a chunk of the Square voters, and Bowser could be respectable in his loss.
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I can't imagine many people voting Ganondorf over Link. I know I certainly wouldn't...

Bowser over Mario though... I'm voting for Bowser, easily.
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I've also changed the logo's colors into something that is, hopefully, something more pleasing to the eyes.
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I'd go with Ryu over Claire, no doubt in my mind. I never play Resident Evil games, but I've heard Jill's name much more than anybody else's from the game (except maybe Leon...or Leo, whatever). 2K2 was so bad for stats that I barely trust them at all; do you think Claire could beat Kirby?

Bowser should do better against Mario than Ganon is against Link...but is it really saying that much? I don't expect Bowser to hit 20%.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Nothing wrong with that cn.
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You mind if you can get rid of that Frog section? It isn't needed.
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I don't see Resident Evil having any great popularity anymore, and with the new Ninja Gaiden I'd give Ryu a slight edge.
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Summer 2004 Contest Prediction: Match 33: Link wins 71.79%-28.21%

You mind if you can get rid of that Frog section? It isn't needed.

Yes it is.
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Link 88% 31681
Ganondorf 12% 4322
TOTAL VOTES 36003

does anyone think Link might break 90%
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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

Holy hell guys...I just noticed that I'm on the Top 50 list at #34. Wish me luck, heh.

I dunno 'bout breaking 90%, but I don't think Ganon's gonna keep Link from under 88% now.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

From: Garsha | Posted: 9/3/2004 1:04:10 PM | Message Detail
You mind if you can get rid of that Frog section? It isn't needed.

Allow me, CN.

*ahem*

WHAT YOU SAY !!
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Remove Frog from the site or remove pizza from the world, no difference.

I think Bowser will do much better. He's always had the charisma Ganondorf never had (and while Wind Waker gave Ganon a direction, it did NOT give him charisma), and was the one thing that didn't completely suck in SMRPG.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 030/032 - Matches: 30/32 - Rank: 00195/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Yoshi

and was the one thing that didn't completely suck in SMRPG.

That, along with you defending CT heavily, has made me lose thirteen levels of respect in your game-tastes.





...Nah, not really, but I disagree and I'll leave it at that.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

See if I care about respect. Me not being a sheep gets me bashed, so what? Hey, Ulti hates OoT, but I don't respect him any less for that.
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...Nah, not really, but I disagree and I'll leave it at that.

That's my real thoughts on it. The first part was just for utter exaggeration.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I think the pic for this match is affecting the results more then usual. Link's is so badass and Ganondorf's totally sucks. I guess when 2 characters have absolutely equal exposure by being from the same games, the pic could matter more then it otherwise would. If they had put both pics from OoT, or LttP, I might have voted for Ganondorf, but there is no way I'm voting against that badass Link. I don't think I'm alone in that.

That being said, I eagerly await the Luigi vs Yoshi pic.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I hate it when the boards go down
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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

Does give me a bit of happiness knowing I'm ahead of Mr. Satire though. =)

And why does it? I never bashed you outright...you must be angry at one of my satirical columns...or maybe its cause I did not select you to be my "Elite Pick of the Day" yet...hmmmmmm

I look forward to your answer, and to a friendly bracket score war with ya til the end of the contest :)
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Perfects to Fall: 15 SC2K4: 29/32 (Go FROG!)

CN: Just checked out your site for the first time and I must say...its quite nice. And your tribute to FROG is gratifying to say the least. :)

Keep up the good work :)
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Perfects to Fall: 15 SC2K4: 29/32 (Go FROG!)

Jeez, am I the only one that doesn't think Link's pic is the most badass thing ever? Hell, I thought the Link pic in WW Vs. MP was more badass.*

And I doubt people are voting against Ganondorf because of his pic. It's the same pic he had in Magus Vs. Ganondorf, and it seemed as if most of the people agreed that that was one of the best pics of the contest.



*That's not an insult. That was one badass pic, cel-shaded or not.
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"I think you've seen enough."--Lara Croft

Hell, I thought the Link pic in WW Vs. MP was more badass.*

That and Pong/Tetris have been my two favorite pics yet.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

So, what does everyone think of Crono vs Magus?

Today we've seen the difference the Same Fanbase Factor can make. If two characters are from the same game, it can take on distorting proportions.

In theory, Magus has a shot at winning now. We've seen that SSF can indeed make that much of a difference. Will he?

Link was still the protagonist of his game. Rumor has it that the hero will always get the benefit of the doubt from fans. But many here cannot fathom a CT-fanatic choosing Crono over Magus. If someone hasn't played the game -- fine, Magus should have the better picture.

...I say Crono isn't in danger. At all. If he was, Kefka wouldn't have lost to him 80-20 % last year. We've seen Kefka was definately suffering from some SFF since he improved drastically for his match with Knuckles. That didn't make sense.


And neither would Crono winning against Magus. And that's exactly why it will happen.

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Wow! What a shock! Ganon according to the rankings will be fodder. ~_~ Even worse for Alucard... A lot will put this down to SFF but this really makes you wonder if Magus and Bowser will be blown apart as bad as this. If so it will do wonders for Shadows position in the rankings :D

Why were almost all of the posts on the first page modded?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Magus won't get ripped apart like this. The closer the two characters are in strength the less SFF there is to worry about. I could see a painful 60/40 split though.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Jeez, am I the only one that doesn't think Link's pic is the most badass thing ever? Hell, I thought the Link pic in WW Vs. MP was more badass.*

nope to me Link looks like a girl

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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

From: ChichiriMuyo | Posted: 9/3/2004 12:34:36 PM | Message Detail
Magus won't get ripped apart like this. The closer the two characters are in strength the less SFF there is to worry about. I could see a painful 60/40 split though.


For once, we agree.

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Today we've seen the difference the Same Fanbase Factor can make. If two characters are from the same game, it can take on distorting proportions

Same Fanbase Factor? Is that what everyone means by SFF? Good grief, I feel stupid now...

So, in that case, how exactly would reverse SFF work?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

the weaker character does better then expected
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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

I suppose then that Bowser could expect a similar fate? And if Tials meets Sonic is he looking at 13%?

We've already speculated a good deal about Bowser, if you wnat to know read the posts in this very topic.

And Tails isn't capable of beating Dante, so no worries there.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I suppose then that Bowser could expect a similar fate? And if Tials meets Sonic is he looking at 13%?

For Bowser I think he'll do better on Mario since he's more well known plus Mario could only get 82% on DK

As for Tails I think he'll get beaten even worse
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Summer 2004 Contest 27/32 Link vs. Ganondorf

Charmander nailed it. I personally don't believe Reverse Same Fanbase Factor can ever be decisive. It may make a match closer then was expected, that's it.


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What baffles me is that Cloud v Seph had no evidence of SFF. It began to make me doubt its existence.

Coïncidence.

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There is really no such thing as reverse SFF. "Reverse SFF" is just SFF helping the other person. This could probably be the case in Bowser vs. Yoshi.
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Yes, but it's fancy concepts just like that we need to dazzle newcomers and convince them of our superior and utterly useless knowledge.

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What baffles me is that Cloud v Seph had no evidence of SFF. It began to make me doubt its existence.

Look at today to regather your confidence in its existance.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

BTW ChiciriMuyo I saw you posting this the other day

I hold no grudges against anyone unless they clearly hold one against me.

You mind telling me what you have aganist me? What grudge do I hold aganist you? Fair enough if you don't agree with my views but countering them with trolling is not the answer. You're getting worse then Shake ~_~

I see no trolling anywhere on this page. I'm very aware that I'm too lazy to check further back.


And Smurf, when have I last been unkind?


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Shake the last time you have been unkind is the last time you have spoken directly for me. You don't fool me with this whole "Troll come good" act. I know in the near future you will be getting that account of yours banned, And I will be waiting so I can put you through what you put me through (Although I will make sure that you are actually responsible)

"You mind telling me what you have aganist me?"

Nothing, as long as you don't come around spouting stuff that is both illogical and unsupportable.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

So saying that you wish I would die is a fair response?

...does this gotta get started in this topic, too? I was hopin' this died out awhile back.

How's people feeling about Frog/MC coming up in six days? I've got Frog, but I'll be voting, rooting, and believing in a win for Master Chief. I'm thinking he will win with about 52% of the votes.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Can you imagine how horribly underestimated Tidus and Magus would be if Ganondorf had gotten to Link last year?
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Ho hum.

I discussed that afew pages ago, HK...mainly focused on Magus though:

I just realized that the extrapolated rankings should thank its lucky stars that Magus beat Ganondorf last year. Imagine if it went the other way...the only way we'd have any real sense of Magus's strength would have been his less-than-spectacular win against an over-seeded Sam Fisher. Then, say he lost to Ganon like Ganon lost to him...Ganon gets decimated by Link then instead of now. That would have sent them both FAR down in the rankings, and we'd have no real idea of their true strength. Then, this year, Magus destroyed new-comer Luca Blight...but his next round involves what'll have SFF in a match with Crono.

The only ways we'd have a clue of how powerful Magus would be this year would be how Sam performed against Mr. GFNW (which was NOT impressive) and how Tidus fared against Ganondorf (which many of us didn't expect him to be much more powerful than he was in 2k2, beating Claire Redfield with about 55% of the votes).

I'm almost happy that Magus cost me two points last year now, though I don't care for him much at all.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

There is really no such thing as reverse SFF.

Is that like how there's really no such thing as reverse swing in cricket?</awaits people asking what's cricket, and for scones>
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Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

"So saying that you wish I would die is a fair response?"

I exagerate from time to time, but I do wish you;d be so kind as to stop posting your bs.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I don't post things without solid proof. I predicted that Jill could beat Ryu at a time when everyone was thinking that Ryu could get close to 70%. Sure I was wrong but only just. That match proved that my stats work and if Tails beats Dante or gets 49.00% or more it will prove that my opinion matters as well.

"I don't post things without solid proof."

When you make up evidence or use improperly caluclated math you aren't using any solid proof.

"That match proved that my stats work"

Based on what? Was Ryu Hayabusa in a previous summer contest that I didn't know about? Guys, please tell me I didn't miss one!
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"and if Tails beats Dante or gets 49.00% or more it will prove that my opinion matters as well."

And thank god that isn't going to happen.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Holy CRAP.

Can you say....SFF'D?

I wish Link was really this strong, lmao. But Link will still win, even if he is not quite this strong.
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 33/33 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Ganondorf's making his way to 7,000 votes!

*claps*
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Link is now God.
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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

If we pretended for a moment that this wasn't SFF, what would it project Link getting on Cloud, assuming Ganondorf could get the 33.60% he is expected to get on Cloud?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You mind if you can get rid of that Frog section? It isn't needed.

DomaDragoon: Yes it is

Ulti:Allow me, CN.

*ahem*

WHAT YOU SAY !!

Thank you. You have my gratitude.

The nerve of some people...sheesh!



Hey Slowflake, I just saw earlier that you quoted me. Sweet! I feel all warm and tingly inside...

>_>

<_<

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If we pretended for a moment that this wasn't SFF, what would it project Link getting on Cloud, assuming Ganondorf could get the 33.60% he is expected to get on Cloud?

Heh...over 81% :o)
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Damn. XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

LOL. That's awesome! I'd like to hear HM explain how Mega Man's gonna cover that big of a difference, heh.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Wut is teh Ess Eff fEf/??!
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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

It looks like Ganondorf will at least have the dignity of doing better than CATS. Or maybe Link will go up again. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Wow. Just wow. Link getting SFF that much in his favor? Sheesh. I had to vote Ganondorf just out of pure pity that he was getting killed that bad. Link has an SFF route right out of this division.
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Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I had to vote for Link just so it makes the rankings that much worse; anybody who relies on them deserves to screw up by picking Conker over Alucard.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

You know, I'd love to see Ganondorf-CATS next year and see lots (sic) of people use the extrapolateds to fail horribly :-)
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Jon Thomson - today: Link, tomorrow: Luigi - 26/32
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Was anyone really expecting anything much higher than maybe 73%? ~22% SFF is insane O_o.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I predicted around 69% for Link, myself. Never did I imagine he would get nearly 90%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't know about you, but I would gladly give up my bracket to see Link hit 81% against Cloud, just to see how the board would react.
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I do not know if this has been addressed yet, but if not, I propose we institute a new acronym into our contest analysis: HVF.

SFF is wonderful, but it is better suited for just that: fanbase. The Hero Villain Factor will have a better representation of these statistics we have seen in Donkey Kong/Mario and now Ganondorf/Link match. We may get to see it a few more times this tournament. I know it was null for the Cloud/Sephiroth matches, but this is merely a theory and not a fact, just with our SFF. Not all potential SFF-matches experience SFF, and the same will be true with HVF. However, given the significant amount of variance seen in two of the three HV matches we have encountered, I think this variance deserves a factor all of its own.

Discuss.
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I'd support the HVF.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

.. or maybe Link is just stronger than last year. He overperformed against CATS. I wonder what he'll get on Crono/Mario.
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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

Wouldn't the hero villain factor just be a form of SFF, because they would have to be in the same game to have the HVF?

I don't know about you, but I would gladly give up my bracket to see Link hit 81% against Cloud, just to see how the board would react.

Well I want Link to win against Cloud, but I want it to be the first actually interesting final.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Would HVF apply to Crono/Magus? Magus is sort of a villain...
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Crash.

There's no way of knowing whether or not Link is stronger until he actually goes up against someone who isn't absolute fodder or within his same fanbase.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The Hero Villain Factor will have a better representation of these statistics we have seen in Donkey Kong/Mario

I doubt that much of DK's popularity comes from the original Donkey Kong, most probably comes from DKC and all the side games DK's been in, like Mario Kart, Mario Party, Smash Bros, etc.

Heroic Mario: In other words, you're hoping that his is a joke and that Mega Man kicks Link's ass?

Mega Man, you're next! =P

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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

Indeed. Mega Man will be kicking some Hylian ass come the final four. ;)
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Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I would think the HVF COULD apply in Magus/Crono, but would be more likely seen in a Magus/Frog match-up. Again, I am not positive that the HVF will always favor the hero, however I have a strong suspicion that it would. There are very few villains who garner the name recognition of their counterpart protragonist, but if there was to ever be a reverse HVF, I think a Magus/Frog match-up would be just that. Also, I think Zero/Mega Man could have a slight HVF to it, though I would agree SFF would make more sense. To me though, SFF should be across series (or in the case of final fantasys and Mega Man to MMX merely across sequentials). Link/Ganondorf, Bowser/Mario, Cloud/Sephiroth, Luigi/Mario, etc... are far more specific than just the same fanbase; they are the same game. In most cases of same game you have the HVF. There are some we have discussed such as Tidus/Zuron, Vivi/Zidane, Luigi/Mario, etc... that merely pit protagonists against eachothers. This obviously would not follow a HVF, but I also do not think a SFF would apply. This unnamed factor (I am open to suggestions) would probably also apply to Zero/MegaMan(X), Ryu/Ken, Luigi/Yoshi, etc... and probably Crono/Magus.
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This is probably the only match where the so called HVF would be a huge factor. I don't see it as much in Crono/Magus or Mario/Bowser. Or anyone else in the contest as a matter of fact. SFF is one thing, but HVF is just describing the relationship between the characters. Ganon hasn't been developed enough to break the "bad guy from Zelda" persona.

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Personally, I just think the SFF as we treat it is far too broad. We have spent 10s of thousands of posts discussing statistics, so I would think it is within the scope of this topic to try and break this contest down into its most simplicest elements. As such, I think we can have subdivisions of SFF. One would apply within a company sense (Nintendo, Square). Another *could* be from a genre sense (RPG, FPS, Fighting). Another would be the hero/villain sense. And a fourth (that comes to my mind) would be from an inter-game sense (but not with a hero/villain set-up). The more variables we can extract from the tournaments results, the better we are able to predict each character's "vaccuum" strength, which idealistically leaves us with a variable-free 1-64 ranking of the given tournament.
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therealmmn: In my opinion, we also saw it in DK/Mario two years ago, and in my opinion we will be seeing it for certain in three days when Bowser meets Mario. Liquid/Solid Snake is another match-up that, I believe, would have resulted in significantly-skewed statistics. There are more than likely other matches lurking out there (Wario/Mario? He'll never make it back though), and I think these types of matches will result in a significant adjustment to our variable-free standings; much more so than an Auron/Sephiroth or Squall/Cloud match will result in.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

And for entertainment/making you becoming stupider by viewing it purposes:

Uhhh.....LINK!!!But Cloud will beat them both just like he did um LAST YEAR!Seriously Sephy coudnt beat Cloud last year, he cant this year. He hasnt improved in any popularity since the last contest. It'll be just like last year. Link released Wind waker right around the contest's end so he benefitted from the hype...and still lost. Personally I dont think either can upset Cloud. If I had to pick some1 to take down Cloud, it woul have to be Samus. She released Metroid Prime, Metroid Fushion, Metroid Zero Mission, and there is hype already about Metroid Prime 2: Echos. She has done the most during the time of SC2K2 and this year. The BIG THREE have in total released 2 games. Just watch, once Megaman debuts in Battle Network 5, X8(assuming its in the class of X4 and X3 and not like X7), MegamanZero 4, and Megaman 9....The new order will be Samus Megaman and Link(with Zelda 2005) as the top tier. Samus and Megaman will be the highest and dominate the next 2 years. Cloud and Seph will join Mario in tier 2. if they wanna keep strong, they need a new game. FF7 is one of the best there is and KH was a great boost, but they need more to dominate fr years to come. Samus and Megaman are seriously gona threaten their top 3 positons. I still say Cloud THIS year, but next year Link's new game and Samus's new game will make them favorites, replacing Seph. and MM will take Cloud's spot if he releases all 4 games I said. This year will be Cloud's last aura until MM and Samus rplace FF7 on top with Link!!!!!

That was somebody answering the question on whether they Link or Sephiroth would win if they went up against each other this year.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Oh, of course there are different kinds of SFF. I don't even try to label it as most of them should be common sense. You can't label EVERY variable that occurs in this contest and I don't even try. I don't think it will stop until the XRs perfectly predict a contest. I just nod my head and smile.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I really need to learn how to put things in bold and italics...
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Link will win next year with ease. This year is a tossup between Link and Cloud.
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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

This year is a tossup between Link and Cloud.

...and Mega Man. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mario/DK was not hero/villain. As said before, most of DK's popularity come from the DKC series. It simply comes down to people who like DK like Mario more. That's SFF. DK just happens to be the villain in the first game. That's not what people base their voting on though.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I really need to learn how to put things in bold and italics...

To italicize, use < i > word < / i > and take out the spaces. To bold, use a "b" instead of an 'i."
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

But really, most would suspect this is a contest between Link and Cloud but someone else stepping up to the challenge wouldn't be surprising at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

...Outside of Tanner, and barring something else ridiculous, is there anyone Alucard has a chance of being better than in the X-St.?
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Mario/Donkey Kong was anything but a case of Hero vs. Villain. Very few people still see these two as enemies like they were back in the days of Donkey Kong. The vast, vast majority of Donkey Kong's popularity comes from the Donkey Kong Country series and other spinoff titles.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Thanks Mumei =)
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Well phooey. I still see Donkey Kong as Mario's enemy, but I grew up on Nintendo. And yes, I also see Bowser as Mario's enemy... but definitely not Smithy.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Most people grew up on Nintendo, and still play it today but given how far Donkey Kong has come since the early 80's I wouldn't figure most people thinking back to remember that he was a villain of Mario. In fact, you could also go out and say Mario was a villain in Donkey Kong Jr.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Thanks Mumei =)

You're welcome

That takes too long XD.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

HM: I could do that, and then I could also proclaim we have seen the first case of reverse HVF =)
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

...Outside of Tanner, and barring something else ridiculous, is there anyone Alucard has a chance of being better than in the X-St.?

Guybrush.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

^^ I'm not saying people don't know. But do you think they would base their VOTING on that fact? I think not. And Nintendo explicitly said back in '93 that they did not want DK to stay in the villain image and that people would see the true side of DK in the near future. I think DK has evolved enough from there to hold his own. But he still falls under the Mario character cast, which is why I would list it as SFF.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Check these numbers out from the first round...
Prediction percentage-wise

1 Link 98.79%
2 Mario 98.28%
1 Mega Man 97.47%
2 Solid Snake 97.27%
1 Cloud Strife 97.97%
2 Sephiroth 97.37%
1 Sonic 97.47%

So... 7 of the the top 8 seeds are predicted at a minimum of 97.27%. Then Samus comes along and demolishes Lara with 81+ and yet the brackets are made with almost 1 in 10 makers seeing Lara a chance to upset.
2 Samus Aran 91.74%

To put this in perspective, the last of the Noble Nine, Crono, in his 3rd seed losing some confidence still has almost a 2% prediction confidence in him.

3 Crono 93.43%

Even with the fact that some people are going for the perfect loss bracket and maybe some joke brackets this is still a ridculously low percentage. If the average/casual bracket maker has less confidence and yet she is still able to take the highest percentile win of the 1st round, this bodes great things for her in future rounds. After her first round slaughter, things can only get better. In short, I'm glad now that I have her over Sonic in the Round of 8

...Outside of Tanner, and barring something else ridiculous, is there anyone Alucard has a chance of being better than in the X-St.?

Laharl? Freeman? Kefka (if Knux gets hit harder than expected)?
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Laharl could get it pretty rough, too,
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Do you all think Sonic vs Shadow would result in this big as SFF or what?
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SC2k4 Winner: Link
Status: 29/33 Next Pick: Yoshi (This current match is that sad. I'm completely skipping it.)

I don't see Bowser performing this badly. Unlike the Dorf one, Bowser has the benefit of being a playable character in some games (Mario RPG, Mario Golf,Tennis, Party, and the Smash Bros. game.

Ganondorf was playable in SSBM. Better than Link, too. Of course, that doesn't mean much in the poll. XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ganondorf is playable in SSBM too, and is one of the better characters in the game.
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Summer Contest Match 31 Link vs. Ganondorf
Status 30/33 Points: 031 Next: Luigi vs. Yoshi

I think Shadow would be DESTROYED by Sonic in a one-on-one poll.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Thanks, I didn't know about that. Still, Bowser does benefit from that aspect more than Ganon.

I think Shadow would be DESTROYED by Sonic in a one-on-one poll.

He probably does get most of his support from being a Sonic the Hedgehog clone... But put him against the hedgehog, and he'd be screwed ^^;.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Sonic would probably beat him pretty bad unless people like the supposed "cooler" version that much better. Doubtful though.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I do agree with this, despite the rankings saying that MegaMan would win. Even with both of them, but for some reason, Crono in my mind, seems like he'ld have an easier time.

I don't think Mega Man would have the hardest time beating both of them.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I support the HVF as well, but in the case of Cloud/Sephiroth I found a theory that I think best explains why it is absent. Many, many FF7 fans actually like Sephiroth more than any other character in the game simply because of either his appearance or his development. Hence, they will pick him over the hero because of legitimate preference as opposed to "liking the hero more".
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Contest Stats: 30/32 Next Pick: Link
Today's subliminal thought is:

This year is a tossup between Link and Cloud.

...and Mega Man. <<

If you're going to include the Blue Bomber, you have to include Sephiroth and Samus.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Moltar's Thoughts on: Link vs. Ganondorf

Eh, I do it every day, why not make it something special.

Ok, I do my regular routine this morning, you know, check the poll.

Dot Dot Dot

I see Link beating Ganondorf worse than he did CATS. I'm really shocked, and I could barely get it out of my mind most of the day. My favotite character was getting PWNED to high hell by Link. Dammit, if Ganon wasn't underseeded in the first place, this wouldn't happen to him. Eh, time to get a little less biased here.

What does this mean for Ganon? His fanbase is basically Link's fanbase, just a bit smaller. Ganon, without Link support, is as weak as he is looking today. I thought Ganon had his own decent set of fans, but I guess I was wrong.

So what does this mean for other matches? Well, this match does hint at possible SFF matches in the future. Does this mean Crono will slaughter Magus, Mario will slaughter Bowser, etc? I'd say some stuff about how this could also put Link's spot in the finals in cement, but this SFF is just too crazy...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

If you're going to include the Blue Bomber, you have to include Sephiroth and Samus.

True.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hyrule Division: Round 1 - Match 34 – (5)Yoshi vs. (4)Luigi

Moltar’s Analysis

Yoshi - You think your day job’s tough? Try having Mario’s ass on you day after day for one.

Round 1 – vs. Ryo (Yoshi: 76.4% - Ryo: 23.6%)

Yoshi blows Ryo out of the water and hopefully out of the Contest scene. He now moves onto a tough Round 2 match with Luigi.

Luigi - I bet he wishes Mario would fight this battle for him.

Round 1 – vs. Pac-Man (Luigi: 67.73% - Pac-Man: 32.27%)

Luigi put up a surprise here. He wasn’t even planned to get over 60% by most people, and instead, he doubles the Pacster. Wow.

One of the few potentially great matches in Round 2. Mario’s brother vs. Mario’s dinosaur. Winner gets the title of the favorite Mario sidekick! They also get a trip to the Sweet 16. So let’s get this party started.

As soon as the brackets went up, people already started talking about it. Who was the better liked Mario sidekick? Yoshi or Luigi? Many of the board members went with Yoshi. I mean, Yoshi doubled Conker and put up around 43% on Bowser last year, while Luigi almost tripled Ratchet, before getting around 40% on Squall, Even Jill did a little better on Squall then Weegi did. Squall and Bowser are right next to each other in the Rankings, with Squall just a hair ahead. But Yoshi still put up better numbers on Bowser than Luigi did on Squall. This year, Yoshi tripled Ryo with 85% of the brackets calling it right. Luigi also did very well, doubling Pac-Man and getting 68% of the bracket support. So who will the bracket favorite be in this match? Most likely Yoshi. Who is the statistical favorite? That’s a tough one, but I would go with Yoshi.

Why do I say that? Luigi almost got 68% on Pac-Man, a legend in gaming. With that performance, the stats have Luigi ranking up there with Snake himself. That’s just crazy! Then again, I blame that on Kefka’s under-peformance against Pac last year. Yes, I believe Pac-Man got within 51% on Kefka because he over-performed in the match while Kefka under-performed. I mean, Kefka had nothing going for him last year, thanks to a very unrecognizable and just bad picture. Of course, I can’t blame it all on the picture, Pac-Man was on fire that day. But FF6’s performance in the Spring Contest showed that Kefka had to be stronger than he let on. And he showed it this year. He got 42% on Knuckles, performing about 8% better than he was supposed to according to last year. See, I knew Kefka couldn’t be THAT weak. So what am I trying to say here? Pac-Man over-performed last year, and came back this year weaker than ever. Kefka under-performed last year, making Pac-Man look stronger than he is, and showed his true colors this year. Ratchet’s performance today also isn’t helping Luigi look good. Dante is putting up 80% on him, but that could be just a little boost in Dante’s favor, or a drop in Ratchet’s.

Whew…that’s quite a bit to say, but hopefully I have showed you why I believe Yoshi will win. Luigi’s strength has been completely blown out of proportion. Pac-Man is nothing more these days than a step above fodder at GameFAQs. Besides, Yoshi is the fan-favorite in my opinion. He should be able to just squeak by here.

Moltar’s Bracket Says:Yoshi will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Yoshi 52% - Luigi 48%
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Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Ulti's Analysis

Bowser and Squall are close enough in strength to be considered virtual equals in a hypothetical situation, so let's do so. Afterwards, take a quick look at Bowser vs Yoshi and Squall vs Luigi. There is a 3% difference between Yoshi and Luigi in those two polls, which translates to roughly a 55-45 win for Yoshi in this match. After seeing them both in action for the first time, I see no reason to think otherwise. Yoshi had a higher prediction percentage, more votes, and more total votes in his poll. Superstar Saga may be a good game, but how is that supposed to vault Luigi past Yoshi? I don't think it will.

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Yoshi/Yoshi with 54.99%



Cena’s Analysis

Ok, it's Mario's little dinosaur buddy against his little green brother. Some people believe that with Luigi's terrible showing last year, specifically against Squall, that Yoshi should have a field day on him. Ok, are you guys nuts? This is Luigi, we're talking about. I don't care how cute a dinosaur can get, Luigi owns in every way possible. Ok, I may be a Luigi fanboy, but I really don't see how Yoshi can be more popular than a freakin' Mario brother. It boggles the mind how a green frickin' dinosaur is more popular than the kick-ass plumber in green who's even cooler than his squat big brother. Statistically speaking, Yoshi wins, but we all know he shouldn't.

Cena’s Vote: Luigi

Cena’s Prediction: Yoshi with 54% (Screw you, dinosaur, screw you)
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

I just noticed that Protoman really isn't as low as I thought he would be. Assuming that Zero stayed the same as 2003 and that there was no SFF present in the match, Protoman would rank inbetween Vyse and Isaac (roughly 19% on Link).

Now, with Mega Man vs. Zero in round 3 and even more SFF potential he'll probably end up being lower. However, when you take away the SFF from Mega Man vs. Zero and Zero vs. Protoman he'd probably rank close to the top 32 or even breaking it. Not to bad if I say so myself.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Do you all think Sonic vs Shadow would result in this big as SFF or what?

Nope. I don't think Shadow would suffer very much SFF. I couldn't buy Shadow getting all those votes purely on being a Sonic clone, for one thing. More importantly, Shadow is like Sonic, but is evil and is a heckuva lot cooler (at least in looks). I think the fanbases are quite different.

I don't see why ANYONE would vote Ganondorf over Link, besides that fact that Ganondorf is the villain. He's just a guy with a ski jump on his face... I do think there's more reasons to pick DK over Mario than Ganondorf over Link. DK has had the DKC series and is an icon himself, and hey, my dad's favorite Mario character is DK. :P

Of course, Bowser should do better than DK...

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Man, today's match is still just crazy. Nearly 88% for Link, insane.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

SFF is a crazy thing...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Especially to this degree. Damn. When the contest is over, I must see how the extrapolated will look if it's not SFF-adjusted. Then, it must have a link on the internet, so when people ask for the extrapolated instead of results from previous contest matches, I can give them that.

Live and die by the X-stats.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Link may end up with the highest vote totals of the contest so far in this match:

At 16:19, Link had 4491 more votes in this match as compared to his match with CATS at the same time. At 17:19, he had 4974 more votes than he had in this match as compared to his match with CATS at the same time.

So right now, if the difference keeps up, he will end with 77,318. And I'm just guessing, but I think he can make up the extra ~300 to reach Sephiroth.

I'm going to check and see if he is further ahead or has fallen behind later. >.>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm gonna have to side with Cena on that little set of analyses. Yoshi's a fine character and all, but by all rights Luigi should win this. He deserves to win it. And all that stuff about how he did against Squall...I don't care where Squall is compared to Bowser, For Luigi to get around 40%, I believe it was, on a Square FF main character, is a very good show of strength on this site. Luigi should have this match, though it will of course be disgustingly close.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

I think Yoshi fully deserves, and will be winning, this match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think Luigi fully deserves, and will be winning, this match.
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Current Pick: Link; Current Vote: Link; Points: 31/32
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

Yoshi > Luigi

=)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

NOT AGAIN!!!!!!
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Am I the only person that doesn't like Yoshi or Luigi? I've never been a fan of either of them, despite loving many Nintendo games, and all of my Mario lovin' comes from SMRPG. Mario characters just aren't that great, IMO. But hey, Yoshi's victory is just one more steeping stone on my path to the championship, so GO YOSHI!

I like both Yoshi and Luigi. While they aren't my favorite characters, I still think their cool.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

From: Heroic Mario | Posted: 9/3/2004 7:53:12 PM | Message Detail
I like both Yoshi and Luigi. While they aren't my favorite characters, I still think their cool.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Yoshi is in the Top 5 though...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

I love both Yoshi and Luigi therefore to me, it doesn't matter who wins but my bracket says Yoshi > Luigi

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"I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks" - Best. Quote. Ever.

I'm going solely for points now, so my vote goes to Yoshi, and I hope Yoshi wins
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Current SC2K4 Score: 31/32
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Sheesh. For every 7 votes Link gets, Ganondorf gets 1.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I need to win tomorrow; in the Spring contest, I got up to #34 before CT beat my contest runner-up, LoZ:LttP. Right now, I'm #34. I need this if I'm ever gonna crack the Top Ten one day, or maybe even be #1 (though I'm not holding my breath).
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Do you think Link can be stopped now? Or is his huge winning due to too much of SFF that we can't really tell? I hate this year's bracket.. SFF matches SUCK imo.. Hopefully it will go back to the way it was before the next summer contest..

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"I love being asian, therefore I love my chopsticks" - Best. Quote. Ever.

I'm hoping Yoshi > Luigi messes up alot of brackets...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Do you think Link can be stopped now? Or is his huge winning due to too much of SFF that we can't really tell?

His victory today is largely due to SFF.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, we know that Link will get no revenge votes until AT LEAST the Final Four...oh, wait, forgot about the CATS Army, nevermind. =P
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I wanna get onto the top 50, this is my second contest I've entered, and I've got 31/32 right now, so I just need some brackets on the top 50 to drop off. Maybe Tomorrow will do that job for me.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 31/32
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

You should know how I felt before FFVII beat CT in the final of the Spring Contest.
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Lonely Angel
Summer 2004 Contest Prediction: Match 33: Link wins 71.79%-28.21%

YOSHI IS THE BEST CHARACTER EVER CONCEIVED...

that out of the way, as far as SFF goes, I bet this match will have the most, then Mario/Bowser, then Crono/Magus.

Bowser probably does have a decent fanbase of his own, and it just seems like he's more likes in his series than ganon in his. Magus/Crono can still be interesting though, because I can see the people who don't really know/like Crono to vote for Magus, and if the board's any indication of it, it seems people love Magus, while Crono's often portrayed as a mute.
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We won't be able to accurately gauge Link until the Elite Eight at the earliest. That's why I hate this division. Why can't they all be like the Chaos Division? It may be a mess to predict, but there's no SFF to be found anywhere.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Unless Tails does the impossible and beats Dante...

...so like you said, no SFF anywhere.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Yeah, Dante over Tails is a foregone conclusion.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

If Tails somehow beats Dante we can call Gordon Freeman a lock for round 2 in SC2K5.
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SC2004 Contest Score: 27/32
Supporter of Alucard (R.I.P.), Luca Blight (R.I.P.) and Samus in the Summer Contest.

The only way Gordon Freeman will ever be a lock for Round Two is if he gets a first-round bye.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Ugh. Someone tried to bring up the contest on another board I go to, and they are convinced that 2002's results "lied" and that Link wouldn't have won if he had faced Cloud in 2002. Oh and that the contest is inaccurate because it is like an actual tournament; he thinks that just having one poll with everyone in it at once would be more accurate for gauging strength. And he thinks that the rankings (I showed him the X-Sts just to look at) are unfair because some weak character might get to the next round while a stronger one doesn't making the stronger one look weak. He doesn't seem to understand that it is not just how far the character went, but who they lost to and by how much as well.

No amount of explaining works. I hate that. </venting>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

The only way Gordon Freeman will ever be a lock for Round Two is if he gets a first-round bye.

Or he faces Tanner, because everyone, even Gordon Freeman and non-SFF adjusted Alucard, is a lock against Tanner.
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Current Pick: Link; Current Vote: Link; Points: 31/32
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b34.jpg

Another high quality picture. Better than Link-Ganondorf.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

http://gamefaqs.com/shared/sum04b34.jpg

HOLY CRAP! That picture owns.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh yes, and I would like to express my endless gratitude to CJayC for making Luigi actually look cool instead of a wuss.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Oh yes, and I would like to express my endless gratitude to CJayC for making Luigi actually look cool instead of a wuss.

Same here, Leonhart. Same here.
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Current Pick: Link; Current Vote: Link; Points: 31/32
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

Luigi does look better than he ever has in a picture so far.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mumei, which board is that? I lurk around a few that have had SC discussions, and (surprise, surprise) everyone says that the contest stinks, especially the results.
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I love the picture ^_^.

I'm just going to ignore the idiot >_<.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Luigi's picture is from Mario Kart: Double Dash!! and Yoshi's is from Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh, and if this is the type of quality we can expect from round 2 pictures, Magus-Crono will own over and above anything we've yet to see.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Mumei, which board is that? I lurk around a few that have had SC discussions, and (surprise, surprise) everyone says that the contest stinks, especially the results.

Eh.. Doesn't matter. =/

They don't mind the results, but he is confused about the concepting of gaining popularity. He can't seem to understand that Cloud became more popular and that he couldn't have made Link even break a sweat in 2002. =/
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I must say, these second round pictures are absolutely amazing.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Just wait until he uses Advent Children Sephiroth. =P
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I would almost prefer that he did. Vivi needs all the help he can get.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

So would I. The picture wouldn't look as good, though. But that's worth it, if it helps Vivi even the tiniest bit. ;_;
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I could see Cloud and Sephiroth getting Advent Children pictures in their match against each other, but I doubt they'll get used right now. However, if Cloud gets his against Vyse, watch out.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Is it supposed to help or hurt him (or what is the general consensus?)? I don't know, because I don't have much of an opinion on Cloud's AC look.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cloud looks like an albino and Sephiroth looks like a transvestite Marilyn Manson. I'm not too fond of either one, but Cloud's is better by a LONG shot.

If only Aeris were in the contest...I would PREFER for her to get her AC picture.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well I prey to god that CJayC doesn't use the Advent Children pics. Its good to know that I'm not the only one who thinks they look so stupid.

But here's what pic of Cloud I think he should use:

http://c-uncut.com/media/ff7-cloud2.jpg
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Current SC2K4 Score: 31/32
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Wow...again the character I like less gets a great picture. Luigi actually looks like he's ready to kick-ass.

I love Yoshi's pic too. A nice, big close-up.
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Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

While we're on the subject of pictures we want, I would kill to get a picture of Mega that isn't Classic-style, and what would make me happiest of all would be a FFT portrait for everyone's favourite cross-dressing airplane-wing-wielding unicorn-haired basketcase.
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If CjayC decides to use a picture from Advent Children to replace Cloud, I think it will hurt him a bit as I am not sure if everyone recognizes his face in AC.

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If we don't get X for his match against Zero, then CJayC will probably never use anything other than classic Mega Man.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

His X pics are so much better than the original series ones. Its just not fair
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Current SC2K4 Score: 31/32
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

Wow, sweet pic for tomorrow. Nice change from last year, when their round 2 pics both looked like ass (though Bowser's was even worse by a long shot).

I hope Yoshi wins. I like Luigi too, mind you, but not enough to make my top 10. Yoshi does.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 030/032 - Matches: 30/32 - Rank: 00195/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Yoshi

I am also praying that Ceej doesn't use any Advent Children pics, especially for Sephy.

Advent Children Sephiroth:

http://anime.lukema.net/img/FF7%20promo%20-%206.jpg

Ugh. Sephy looks hideous.

Final Fantasy 7 Sephiroth:

http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/shokokuphoenix/SephirothFlamesCloseUp.jpg

Now THAT would be a great pic to use.

Although, I really like this pic, too:

http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/shokokuphoenix/SephirothToonKillsCloud.jpg

Now, that's the outcome I'm hoping for. ^.^
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Maybe a little late, but I don't seem to have seen this one brought out yet:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=999

Assuming Samus went up with Metroid Prime, got hit by SFF against Link (today's match tends to indicate that) and that Cloud/Sephiroth will drop a little closer to their pre-KH levels, she actually CAN beat them.

I know it's a lot of wishful thinking but I'm ready to burn my bracket to see that happen...
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I'd sacrifice my bracket and half of my blood to see that happen, too.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 030/032 - Matches: 30/32 - Rank: 00195/33221 - Today: Link - Tomorrow: Yoshi

Cloud and Sephiroth would have to drop a lot to look closer to 2002 than 2003, and they've already shown that's not gonna happen.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

got hit by SFF against Link (today's match tends to indicate that)

This whole Link/Samus SFF is really confusing me. I want to believe it exists, for Luigi's sake, but I just can't really see it when most of the characters that should have been affected weren't.
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Current Pick: Link; Current Vote: Link; Points: 31/32
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

If Samus had been hit by SFF against Link, Squall's match against Bomberman should've shown it. However, Bomberman seemingly returning to 2002 levels throws a wrench into all that and it's very inconclusive.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Luigi's picture is from Mario Kart: Double Dash!! and Yoshi's is from Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour.

ah, I thought Yoshi had a bat, emphasizing his ssbm reference in his bio, and speaking of Mario Golf, I couldn't get into this one as much as to the n64 one, though I'm really looking forward to Mario Tennis
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Another high quality picture. Better than Link-Ganondorf.

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HOLY CRAP! That picture owns.

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I love the picture ^_^.

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I must say, these second round pictures are absolutely amazing.

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Wow, sweet pic for tomorrow.

Geez, my first thought when I saw the picture was "what a crappy picture". But then, I tend to wish every matchpic used SNES or NES sprites.

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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 30/32
Current Oracle ranking: 3nd | Pick: Link with 70%

Just to clarify, I do like the Link vs Ganon picture, just not the Yoshi vs Luigi one.

I'm also sad that Yoshi and Luigi are facing each other now, since I like both of them. I'd vote either one over Mario in a second.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 30/32
Current Oracle ranking: 3nd | Pick: Link with 70%

Heh, your standards are too high then. I'm more grateful that Luigi doesn't look like the nerd who's about to get stuffed into the locker by the school bully than anything.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Trust me, these pics are like porn to my eyes after seeing those boring Round 1 ones.
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Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

the Yoshi/Luigi match pis looks like Nose Battle!!! to me...
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And Link breaks 70,000 while Ganondorf is still struggling to reach 5 digits.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Is Yoshi's nose a bowling ball in that? =)

And Link breaks 70,000 while Ganondorf is still struggling to reach 5 digits.

Poor Ganondorf. And I'm kind of disappointed. I had hoped Link would reach 77,000 (which looked possible when I first started thinking about it), but he slowed down. =(
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'd say link still has a good chance of breaking 77,000. He might even beat seph for the highest vote count in a match.
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I doubt it.

Sephiroth @ 20:40:03 - 72141
Link @ 20:41:28 - 71067

He's behind by 1074. Maybe he can make it up, maybe not. We'll see...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If we don't get X for his match against Zero, then CJayC will probably never use anything other than classic Mega Man.

I think CJayC could manage to see how badass a picture of X vs. Zero would be. I have a lot of hope that he gets an MMX picture as opposed to the classical style.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Chichiri should be happy... barring a major influx, Terry should be knocked out of the top 10 lowest voted characters.
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I would say an MMX/Zero pic would be a sight to see.

And if any of the 15 perfects blow this match, they oughta be kicked out of the contest standings...this is an insult to Alucard...Alucard would at least give Link somewhat of a match, rather than this farce!
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It's insane to still see Link continue to increase, but not only that; I can refresh multiple times and see Link gain around 10-14 votes before Ganondorf gains one. Sheesh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Link is also getting more votes now than Sephiroth was in the same period. He may yet catch up at this rate.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Just...end this already...please.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Over 72,000 right now.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Just...end this already...please.

This must suck for you. When a character I like loses, it isn't as big a deal because I was expecting them to lose and to lose by a certain amount and they usually do. But this is just embarassing for Ganondorf.

If these results were purely from Link's strength and not from SFF, Link would be projected to get 81% on Cloud. O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Link gained 200 votes before Ganondorf even gained 50. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

and to think, that's better than he's been doing all day :) that's 20% of 250 votes for the big G, he shoulda gotten even less
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Score: 31/32
Hyrule picks: Link, Luigi, Crono, Mario

Nearly 400 before Ganondorf gains 100.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

When a 300 vote gain is below the average in a second round match, you know the bracket is messed up.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

This must suck for you.

Yes it does. And HM is not making me feel better...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Man this is indeed insane. Could ganon really be getting hit by 31% of SFF, or did link just become a huge favorite?
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 29/33. Points: 30/34
Future prediction: Luigi, Crono, Mario

Wow. Just wow. Link gained 500 votes before Ganondorf gained 100.

Insane.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Ganondorf breaks 10,000 votes! In the time Ganondorf hit 99000 and Link hit 72000, Link gained 546 votes in the time it took Ganondorf to gain 100.

...yeah...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Wow. Just wow. Link gained 500 votes before Ganondorf gained 100.

Insane.

Oh, when Mega Man gets to Link, I'll be sure to make it hard for you too...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

Oh, when Mega Man gets to Link, I'll be sure to make it hard for you too...

ECKS DEE
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I think I'll be celebrating as opposed to suffering. ;)

And hey, at least you can be happy he broke 10,000 votes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Now that everyone's faith in SFF has been fully restored, I'd like to bring up this thought I had while biking today:
Raiden probably suffered SFF from Snake! And we'll never know his true strength. Especially seeing how Shadow performs; similar characters can do quite well to their noble nine counterparts!
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
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And hey, at least you can be happy he broke 10,000 votes.

YEAH! I know! Now he's bound to get more votes then CATS did!
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Link vs. Ganondorf - Bracket: Link - Vote: Ganon (30/32)

This match shows next to nothing on how well megaman can do on link, it's messed up beyond belief because of SFF.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 29/33. Points: 30/34
Future prediction: Luigi, Crono, Mario

Well, I never said it was a great accomplishment. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

All righty time to close out this topic.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

No one cares about raiden. if we're lucky, he'll never be in this contest again and we the other MGS character besides solid snake will either be liquid or grey fox.

Not saying he's a bad character, he just can't hold up against many others in the series.
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SC2K4 score: Matches: 29/33. Points: 30/34
Future prediction: Luigi, Crono, Mario

Thankfully, we shouldn't see the return of Raiden.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It's just; how can he hold up to anyone else outside the series? He's a hero, you get to play as him... y'know?
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
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*cries for Ganon*
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I'm not a real Raiden fan; just saying that we might underestimate him.
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
{34}

???
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