Thanks to two days in a row for the same controversial match, we have filled the last two topics in a blazing pace.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Tagged for great justice.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I think Jill will come back
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These days, the geekier I get, the more employable I get. So calling me a geek is not an insult, but a statement of hope. Level 1: Petrifier (105 points)

Why do these always get 500'D ?
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Yeah. It's like if you took a tumor and it grew cotton candy. You'd be dying, but you'd always taste cotton candy. ~ ZhouJin

Looks like CATS didn't set Ryu up the bomb after all. He had a chance to survive and he made his time.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

Except for the fact that Hayabusa is steadily increasing his lead...just like yesterday when CJayC stopped the poll.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Looks like Hayabusa is continuing to extend his lead.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Tagged for further posting.

Well Ryu winning will probably make the majority of the users happy after CJayC's restarting.

I personally will be happy as I will not loose 3 points and will enter the second round with only 1 wrong, the best I've ever done.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 28/29
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

bump
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~*Blade X*~
Summer Contest (28/29): Today: Ryu

So, how is 3 wrong for my first contest?
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Summer Contest Match 30 Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
Status 26/29 Points: 026 Next: Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman

I'd say 60% on DK wouldn't be out of the question.

Where would that place him on the X-Sts?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Has anyone else noticed Ryu's lead is steadily increasing?
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~*Blade X*~
Summer Contest (28/29): Today: Ryu

Better than I did last year.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Noooo... ;-;

Go jill...!!

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"Okay, it's a promise then. If you break it, I'll uphold the Mizuho tradition of making liars swallow a thousand needles!" -Sheena, Tales of Symphonia

Stick a fork in her.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

She's DONE!
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~*Blade X*~
Summer Contest (28/29): Today: Ryu

Jill needed to create a standstill an hour and a hafl ago, Ryu keeps gaining. It'd take a miracle for Jill to win now and I think she already spent hers.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'd guess somewhere around here:

18 West 5 Ryu 30.69% 29.70% 3 -2 3 2 1
19 West 10 Zelda 30.29% 29.32% 4 -6 2 2 0
20 East 8 Auron 28.73% 27.80% 6 -2 2 2 0
21 West 4 Dante 28.23% 27.32% 5 1 2 2 0
22 South 6 Alucard 27.56% 26.67% 5 -1 3 2 1
23 East 4 Yoshi 27.05% 26.17% 7 3 2 2 0
24 West 8 Knuckles the Echidna 26.47% 25.62% 6 -2 2 2 0
25 South 3 Kirby 26.34% 25.49% 6 3

But I'd kill to see him in the Aeris/Squall/Zero tier.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Well I guess it's over for Jill. Unless there's a flooding Asian vote or something like that, Jill is done for. She had it stopped at 400 for a long long time, but now it's dropped close to 500. She needs to start gaining votes like crazy to make a run on this one.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

Quick, somebody spam the Outbreak servers!

>_>

<_<

Ryu seems to be pulling away ever so slightly, and this is around when any kind of comeback would need to start, so it's pretty close to over.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Maybe i'll get on the top 50 >:D
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~*Blade X*~
Summer Contest (28/29): Today: Ryu

"this is around when any kind of comeback would need to start,"

Which is why she is done for. She actually has to stop Ryu's sporatic gains before she can actually make any of her own.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

So, was today's match still a three-pointer?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Oh, and Jill has cut it down to 450. This isn't quite over yet, though Liquid Snake stalled like hell after 1 AM EST.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I still see it as a 3 pointer, Sora showed me nothing to think otherwise. Although Sora winning could put a lot of people back in the running to win or at least place.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Indeed it is a three point match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I see absolutely no reason to believe that Sora has it in him to beat either of these two, especially if Ryu gets a better picture in Round 2.
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The race to revitalize Figaro Desert is on! Find out how at www.rpgdl.com

Heh, down to 444.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Three hours left.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

especially if Ryu gets a better picture in Round 2.

Since Ceej is giving Round 2 Link the Zelda 10 pic, he could be nice and give Sora the KHII pic, which is pretty bad-ass. That could be a better pic then Ryu gets.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

If Ryu gets a picture from the Xbox version of Ninja Gaiden there's no way Sora could get a better picture.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

"So, was today's match still a three-pointer?"

Absolutely. There is as much chance that Jill suffered distant SFF loses (Link/Samus) from her placement in 2k3 as Sora did from his direct match with Aeris... and unless Jill dropped AND Sora suffered his maximum possible SFF loses against Aeris then this match is the sky-hook from outside that's going to score 3 points.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Boooo Jill's making another push.

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~*Blade X*~
Summer Contest (28/29): Today: Ryu

It's down about 30 votes in the last 10 minutes. And I'm off to bed. So I'll just blindly hope for a miracle comeback while expecting nothing of the sort.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

In theory, if Protoman had beaten Zero, do you think he would have beaten Vercetti as well? Was that a 3 point match too?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Ryu has a 399 vote lead on Jill. Come on baby, finish him! >_> Like that will happen.
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Ignorance is bliss, no wonder I'm never happy. >_<
*Ching* Scythe Marshall ready to slaughter! FFT Tigers(MLB) 0-0

She can do it, I think. Just...gotta keep pushing the vote.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

"Was that a 3 point match too?"

There were a lot of 3 point matches, that one included, because there's a higher % of foregone conclussions in round 2 then round 1, it would seem. There's room for surprises, of course, but if Protoman would have been strong enough to beat Zero tackling Vercetti should have posed no problems whatsoever.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I dunno, he's still keeping it awfully close to 400. If she cant halve that in an hour I don't think a comeback can happen.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

There were a lot of 3 point matches, that one included, because there's a higher % of foregone conclussions in round 2 then round 1, it would seem. There's room for surprises, of course, but if Protoman would have been strong enough to beat Zero tackling Vercetti should have posed no problems whatsoever.

Unless, of course, there was reverse SFF involved. For example, if Magus beats Crono, he still doesn't have much of chance against Mario.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

I don't really tihnk reverse SFF is an idea you should be putting any stock into. Typically when one character is of noticably higher calibur than another no crazy fanbase can override the casual vote. So to put it bluntly, if CT fans actually didn't put Crono above Magus then Magus would obviously put up a strong showing against Mario. As it is, though I dread saying it, I don't think Magus is as close to some of the elites as he looks. Not that Magus is overrated, just that the majority of the other elites are underrated. Crono is among those who I'd count as underrated.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Match XXIX: (6) Sora vs. (11) HK-47 Review

Sora beat HK-47, 65.55% - 34.45%

Not much of a surprised I probably gave HK-47 too much credit, Sora didn’t impress me enough for him to have a chance of winning next round. We lost a few perfects, but this match was pretty predictable. HK-47 like I said suffers from Gordon Freeman Syndrome. That’s where you’re from a popular game, but no one really knows you. I guess today’s match is making me write a short review.

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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Match XXXI: (7) Sam vs. (10) Gordon Preview

Past Performances:

Sam: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Sam: 2003

Lost to Magus, 33.75% - 66.25%
Ranked: 35th

Gordon: 2002

Lost to Tina, 40.03% - 59.97%
Ranked: 53rd

Gordon: 2003

Lost to Max, 46.01% - 53.99%
Ranked: 53rd

Analysis:

Sam is from Splinter Cell. Sam lost in the first round to Magus, but Magus did do well against Link in his third round match making Sam look better. Sam is one of those characters where everyone thinks he’s a fodder, but he can actually defeat some of the competition. This year Sam is part of probably the third and final “Battle of the Weakest Characters” Even though unlike the other battle of the weakest characters this one is actually predicable. Sam is the favorite for this match though it isn’t by very much. Even though the winner of this match will get creamed by Samus next round.

Gordon is from Half-Life. First Gordon is probably the only character that got the same ranking in both 2002 and in 2003. Also let me first to say GFNW or Gordon Freeman Never Wins. He has lost to fodder character even a character from Dead or Alive beat him. Don’t get me wrong Half-Life is a great game the problem is that no one really knows that Gordon Freeman is actually the main character Tommy Vercetti has the same thing except to a lesser extent. Gordon is also one of the few characters that’s made it to all three contests, but has lost in the first two and this contest isn’t really giving him the win either. It looks like the fad GFNW shall continue until next contest.

When we first look at this match this match could be close, but taking a closer look we see that Sam actually did a half decent job against Magus so it looks like he’ll easily win. But with Tails winning a match it looks like Gordon gets the award of being the strongest character to have been all three contests, but to lose in the first round. What’s his competition? Well there’s only one, CATS. Well that’s what you get for being one of the jokes of this contest.

Gordon has no chance of winning; I would be surprised if he broke 40% on Sam. GFNW continues for another year and will probably continue forever unless we get a Gordon vs. CATS match. Well Gordon may be from a very popular game, but the problem is that most people who play his game don’t even know the name of the main character. Sadly for the third year in a row Gordon is overseeded, but CJayC is getting closer.

Not much else to talk about this match. With close matches in this division and having a close match today doesn’t really make too many people talk about this match, but the regulars know how it’s going to end up so no need for a big discussion. Well I do expect to see a lot of GFNW topics tomorrow since he never gets beaten by a strong character; actually Sam is his strongest opponent so far. Not looking good.

Charmander’s Bracket: Sam

Charmander’s Prediction: Sam wins, 64.48% - 35.52%

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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Jill is slowly coming back she has to go faster if she want to win
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Chichiri's post

I agree with you; I don't think reverse SFF exists/will exist and the only match we've ever had where I could even see that happening is Bowser/Yoshi, and that's relying on an old, non contest poll, so that's probably free of it as well. I was just throwing it out there as a possibility to consider if ProtoMan had somehow taken out Zero.

charmander's post

She's trying, but unless she gets within 300 real soon Hayabusa's got it made.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

"Jill is slowly coming back she has to go faster if she want to win"

You are correct, she has to go about 50% faster starting oh, 5 minutes ago, if she wants to take a draw.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Hmm. Looks like Jill is gonna keep things interesting.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

It's the last 3 hours I was worried about.

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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Ryu Hayabusa 50.26% 33688
Jill Valentine 49.74% 33333
TOTAL VOTES 67021

That's awesome.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

"It's the last 3 hours I was worried about."

Yeah, and I was rigth there with you, but Jill does need to show a tad more comeback power to make it happen now. It's late in the game, and comeback power this late is rare.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I think the closer it gets to 3 AM, the more comeback power she'll show.

Whether it'll be close enough, probably not, actually. But stranger things have happened.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Righto, Chichiri.

Assuming that I'm not pulling a Slowflake by saying this, I think that Ryu...okay, just forget it. I'm not jinxing him. >_>

Anyway, Jill doesn't exactly have the fanbase that StarCraft does, so a lead change this late is unlikely.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Ryu's doing well enough. Good.

Finally over.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

For the record, Jill has taken off 100 in the last hour... about 10 minutes ago I said the exact same thing, except that the number was 120. With two hours to go if she holds the rate of the last hour she'll fall short by around 100-120 votes, no doubt. My last estimate based on her 1 hour gains as of, you guessed it, about 10 minutes ago, at least had Ryu under 100. She does in fact seem to be slowing her advance, and unless she can pick it back up the chances are too slim for her.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

In the last 20 min. Jill has cut in the lead by 16 votes, by this rate she'll lose by 251 votes
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

I posted this in another thread...

And that being said, she looks like she is gaining a rather solid 100-120 an hour. At 120 an hour with less than 2 to go she'll fall about 80 short.

She's looking good again with her recent jumps, but not that good.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Jill seems to have stalled at 315-320 votes behind.

If I were a Jill fan and mad, I'd probably start summoning Captain Planet right about now.
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Summer Contest Match 30 Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
Status 26/29 Points: 026 Next: Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman

*tag* So what... this poll will get an extra 10,000 votes on yesterdays? Is that worth the re-run? No, but hey, Whee!
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Updates Left: 7
Ryu's Lead: 330
# of votes Jill gain: 17
# of votes Jill needs each update to tie: 47.1
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Jill has to work even harder than I expected in these last hours.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Under 300... cmon Ryu...
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BtT: 3:59.15 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

This could get intense. Jill is making a real push but it's almost too late. It's gonna come down to the wire for sure. I hope it gets tight before 3am EST, to see if it'll rock a bit or if Jill will blast through. If it can get close though...man...
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

Updates Left: 6
Ryu's Lead: 303
# of votes Jill gain: 27
# of votes Jill needs each update to tie: 50.5

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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Updates Left: 5
Ryu's Lead: 337
# of votes Jill lose: 34
# of votes Jill needs each update to tie: 67.4

It's over
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

It's just getting further and further out of reach.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Updates Left: 4
Ryu's Lead: 298
# of votes Jill gain: 39
# of votes Jill needs each update to tie: 74.5

Can she win? maybe

Will it happen? no
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Could Starcraft pull off the win from this far back?
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BtT: 3:59.15 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

SC is a maybe, but SC is also a very rare case.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Starcraft would do it. It adjusts its strength based on the deficit.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

At this rate, this poll would have to last another 24 hours and be deactivated during the afternoon and evening for jill to come back.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

If Starcraft was in this match it would end up with slightly less votes than it did against WindWaker and Kingdom Hearts. It wouldn't be this close to begin with.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

50 minutes to go with a 260 lead.

Jill would have to be gaining 6 votes over Hayabusa every minute to win, and every minute for which she fails to do that her task becomes more difficult.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Updates Left: 3
Ryu's Lead: 250
# of votes Jill gain: 48
# of votes Jill needs each update to tie: 83.3

She's gaining, but not fast enough
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Starcraft is a poor game to use as an example. The battle.net community is one of the larger online communities in the world, so Starcraft's strength is proportional to the # of users on bnet at a given time, as well as the deficit of the lead it carries. It is possible on a Saturday night for Starcraft to come back from a 3000 deficit in 3 hours.

this makes me think back to what chichiri said about those cheaters, it doesn't take too mcuh to swing this match here...
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : ) http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16036523

Updates Left: 2
Ryu's Lead: 203
# of votes Jill gain: 47
# of votes Jill needs each update to tie: 101.5

gg Jill at least it will be under 200 and maybe 100
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

the best time to cheat would be now since CJayC is getting ready to put up the next poll and when the next poll starts I don't think he keeps the files
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

120 votes left with about 19 minutes left... thats about 6/min... exactly what someone said almsot 20 mins ago... It's happening =(

Updates Left: 1
Ryu's Lead: 115
# of votes Jill gain: 88
# of votes Jill needs each update to tie: 115

This might be close I think I'll vote since I forgot to

maybe when the poll closes
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Under 12 minutes... and under 110 votes... what drama.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Far be it from me to theorize cheating... but at this time of day, there should not be such a push.
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The race to revitalize Figaro Desert is on! Find out how at www.rpgdl.com

tell that to Mario, Samus, DH and SC
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

No there shouldn't, but there also shouldn't even be a match. Cheating just goes hand in hand with a re-do. Seriously folks, a re-do? It doesn't exist in any other facet of the world, so why apply it to this? 48 hour poll=fairest treatment around.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

I swear to ****ing god. STOP using SC as an example of cheating to win. The ONLY time it cheated, SC lost ANYWAY.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

dam it's frozen at 100
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

She just gained 20 votes in 30 seconds...
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

75 in 9 minutes... such drama.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

Captain Obvious to the rescue!

This is gunna be close than Liquid/Frog =/

10 vote gain in like 30 seconds of the last 10 minutes? come on now
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~*Blade X*~
Summer Contest (28/29): Today: Ryu

The outcome of this match could depend on the exact moment that cjay decides to close the poll. I hate this. Please Ryu, HOLD ON FOR SEVEN MORE MINUTES.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 27/29
Current Oracle ranking: 3nd | Pick: Ryu H with 53.43%

Screw Liquid/Frog. Chance this could surpass Sonic/Samus
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Magic numbers
6 mins and 63 votes

Under 5... under 70...
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

65...Jill is pushing hard, but I really do think we're about to get another topic from CJayC. If you thought the board was in chaos yesterday.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

M#'s
5 and 58

M#'s
4 and 54

Under 50... under 4....
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

If CJayC extends the poll I think Jill will win
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

No, I think this WILL surpass Sonic/Samus in terms of final difference in votes.

*waits with baited breath on the final outcome*
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

M#'s
3 and 53
its almsot there...

50, three minutes to go.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

under 40... under 2...
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

I think we are about to be in for a bumpy ride...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

40...
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

M#'s
2 and 39
OMFG

less than a minute... under 30...
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

LAST MINUTE!!!
votes needed to tie: 36

::excitement fills the topic::
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Beliefs are what you get when you don't have facts to back them up.

Finish. @8 vote difference. We now have a new match up to take the crown of the closest match ever.
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

27 votes left at the end. WOW. Way to finish.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

We have a new Closest. Match. Ever.

27 votes
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

*topic fills in 5 minutes*
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

28*
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

My word... Jill was the bracket favourite!
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The race to revitalize Figaro Desert is on! Find out how at www.rpgdl.com

YEAH!!! NEW RECORD!!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

DRATS!!!!!!!!!!

damn, at least she made it exciting
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : ) http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16036523

Wait nevermind it was 27... *kicks self for forgetting to refresh*
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"I demand a moderator"
"I demand pie!" - OooO

27 votes.

Boo ya. Go Ryu.
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BtT: 3:59.15 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

and less than half predicted Ryu... and our zero bracket is still in tact... what an evening. Night fellas.
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

27 votes away, are you kidding me? CjayC can keep mario vs. crono up an extra 15 minutes but Ryu vs. Jill ends right away? I'm in shock. A total state of disbelief.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

The perfects (including the 0) did better than the average...

25 perfects left. Any Gurus still up there?
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

That was intense. Thank god my dad turned the internet back on under the assumption I was asleep.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

noooooooooo

so close
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/30 Sam vs. Gordon

Just curious... I'm sure its written somewhere... But what's CJayC's official policy in the case of a tie?

I feel your pain charmander, that hurt...
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Today's Survivor topic can be found here, Please vote : ) http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16036523

I am a guru still up there.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Woo, moved six places up and am up to #10.
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

We might have a 0, unless he chose Sam for this match.

Anyways, an analysis on my many mistakes:

I feel my biggest flaw was over-estimating the power of some of the people in this contest, mainly the untested ones. Some finished much closer then I thought they would *Frog/L. Snake, Vivi/DK, Ryu/Jil, although ironically I got all 3 of these right*, some I didn't take into consideration the lack of exposure *Laharl over Vyse, Joe over Tails, HK-47 over Sora*, and some I had no idea what the hell was going on in *Jak/Ness*

My other flaw, which I will take, is my partial fanboyism that went into making some picks, such as Alucard over Gannondorf and Kefka over Knuckles. Realistically, I should've known who the winner would be. However, I just felt compelled to go the fanboy route and pick my favorite guys on upset draws, and in my favor they both did better then expected.

Finally, there is the one pic out of all of them I regret making, which is Crash/Chief. I'm not a huge Crash fan at all, and I knew he was weak. Yet still, on an upset draw, I convinced myself to take him over Chief. That is the one gut instinct pick that I changed in my entire bracket, and the one pick I truely regret making.

Overall, none of my losses hurt later on, except Joe over Dante in another wtf moment I had when making my bracket, but my bracket's doomed already. My big upset, akin to Starcraft last year, was going to be Ryu in the Final Four. While I'm confident he'll beat Sora, I doubt Ryu will be able to beat Samus, much less Sonic, though I can hold out hope. Ahh well, you live, you learn.

Don't look now but Gordon may actually WIN today!
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Question: If Gordon wins today, how many perfects will be left?
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Gordon is actually coming back? What the hell?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

0
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And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space,
'Cause there's bugger all down here on Earth.

Gordon just figures never winning is getting old, so he'll do something interesting while finding a way not to win today.
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
{34}

You know, I had a feeling that Gordon would severely over-perform in this match.

However, I never thought the very early board vote would go against Gordon, and that he'd then come back. I kinda expected to see him winning early in fact, then steadily lose it.

But I never thought he might get above 45% by the end, or actually have a shot to win.

I really think people made too much of a joke out of Gordon, and thus underestimated him for this match (though just about nobody could've expected him to do this well).
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Looks like Gordon is primed to take the lead in a few minutes. Amazing.

And if Gordon/Sam ends up roughly 50/50, *if* Sam didn't decline extrapolated-wise (and I don't see why he should, though it's possible), that would mean Gordon gained almost 50% in terms of popularity, and 7.5%-8% in terms of % against Link--more than the 40% and 4.55% he gained from 2K2 to 2K3.

Pretty incredible. Maybe Gordon's popularity goes up exponentially every year! At this rate, he'll win the whole thing in 2K6.

Gordon Freeman in 2006!
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

creative, did you catch me giving you the url for the CATS match pic that had the message underneath?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Yeah Ulti. You want me to put that up?

http://www.sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=18&phid=31

Did someone cap this, or what? Because the pic by itself by a jpg.

This is a .png and my gallery program can't make a thumbnail for it. Though, I guess the "?" makes it all the more intriguing.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I see Ulti posted this in his Prophet challenge preview:

"Just when you think he can't find any new ways to lose, he goes out and proves your assumptions wrong."

Might be some o' dem prophetic words right there.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Heh, Jill and Ryu is a close match-up, Gordon looks like he could win a match, and Ikaruga's just arrived in the post. Excellent :-)
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Jon Thomson - today: Sam Fisher, tomorrow: Samus - 24/30
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

I almost put Gordon for this match actually. However I think right now we're getting a lot of joke voting, more than we would get in the day. I *think* Sam will end up winning this with 52-53. I never thought it would be in the 60s, from the start though, my oracle prediction is 56%.
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Score: 28/29
Upcoming picks: Ryu, Sam, Samus, Link

Gordon's rise could be linked to Kefka's, as well. We're bound to get a large group of return-voters from contest to contest, who're getting more informed with each passing year.

In short : People might actually know who they are, now. At least more do then last year.

If that's true, he would indeed grow exponentially, but there's gotta be a limit.

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"Yeah, there seems to be some sort of pink...my god...my god! IT ATE JOHNSON! ~BluesASC on Kirbyzilla

Gordon's rise could be linked to Kefka's, as well. We're bound to get a large group of return-voters from contest to contest, who're getting more informed with each passing year.

In short : People might actually know who they are, now. At least more do then last year.

And since Splinter Cell isn't half the game Half-Life is, Gordon is bound to overcome his stigma of no one knowing who he is sooner or later. Maybe today, who knows.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Haha.. Gordon winning would make my day.. lol

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

What? HOW IS THIS SO CLOSE? But... but... GFNW... *sobs*

Oh well, at least Fisher seems to be spanking him with the day vote. As far as "launching something from a 100-vote lead" allows, anyway.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

Wow.. I thought i would lost my perfect this round.. but it might not end up that way.. =) .. And I am part of the guru..

Come on Freeman.. YOU CAN DO IT!!!

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"Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." -Game Over (Chrono Cross)

Waking up and seeing Jill come back and fall 27 votes short hurts a little bit, especially when it kills my chances of getting in the prizes, but oh well it happens.

And if Ryu could get the "out of school" vote, I don't see why Sam with two new games in the last year and a half wouldn't get it.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Fisher's pulling away fast... thank God I didn't stay awake throughout the night.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

Fisher obviously gets the day vote. That was very apparent to begin with.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well 10 perfects fell...nice. Only 25 to go and I cant see more than a few losing today....

Sam will win but not by much...poor Gordy...

Tomorrow...the return of the satirical commentary!!!

Boo-yah!
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 25 SC2K4: 27/30 (Go Sam!)

Waking up and seeing Jill come back and fall 27 votes short hurts a little bit, especially when it kills my chances of getting in the prizes, but oh well it happens.

Miss 20 or more points first; then you are officially out of the running most likely. No one will wind up with a perfect in the end.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Pfft. 20 points won't get you anywhere near the leaderboard. Miss more than 6 points and you are probably out of the running.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

What are the stats for previous years? Swear it wasn't quite that stringest before, with most winners missing at least 10 points or so.
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

Nice job by Jill to come back. She only had 27 more votes to take the match, heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

To get something in the spring contest you could get 10 points off and rank in the top 10. In 2003 you could get 15 points off and rank in the top 10. I seriously doubt you'll see someone ranking up there who has only missed a couple of matches or so. The trend has shown that people start getting better scores with each year, but I could still see someone missing 6 points and still have a shot a winning something.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Wow, I'm stunned. Surely Sam Fisher couldn't have lost popular if Master Chief didn't? So, Gordon Freeman really did take another increase...I never believed he ever grew in the first place. I just thought his performance against Max was a fluke last year, but nope. >.<

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Maybe we should change GFNW to GFAW.....

Gordon Freeman ALMOST Won.......
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Maybe it's just a matter of obscurity. After all, neither of them are all that well-known. Max Payne could've whipped Freeman last year by the virtue of having his series named after him.

Or maybe having "the bar from Half-Life" in his picture is helping Gordon's recognizability. Who knows?

Hayabusa's debut results in the closest match in contest history, and I am shocked that Jill was the bracket favorite. Looks like the seed doesn't have as much to do with it as we thought.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I had a feeling that Jill would be the favorite. She may have slipped SOME in popularity, but I never considered her weak or on the way to fodder. She's been in the industry long enough, and as long as Capcom keeps her name fresh, then I see no reason why she would completely fall off. Although it may be hard for Capcom to keep her going in a Survival Horror Genre. The story is bound to end after a while, and it will be tough for Capcom to start her in a new series. I wouldn't put it past them though.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Im gunna lose my perfect alt today thanks to GFNW....

so sad.... I really thought It would have a perfect first round.
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Score:29/30 Todays Pick: Gordon..NO!!
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

...It looks like we'll lose our 0 bracket today, 1 day away from loserdom because of the king of all contest losers. That's quite disappointing.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Funny way of putting it...
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

From: Tarrot | Posted: 9/1/2004 3:15:43 AM | Message Detail
We might have a 0, unless he chose Sam for this match.


NO ZERO BRACKETS THIS YEAR!! apparently, Warran Thad was lying about having the last zero bracket because a guy by the name of Hitman Light posted a pic of his bracket last night. he had zero points with Jill and Sam winning. oops for him.

some people are shocked that Gordon is staying so close to Sam today, but i'm not surprised. if you ask me, Sam always looked out of his league on the extrapolated list:

33 South 8 Wario 24.07% 23.29%
34 West 9 Yuna 23.66% 22.89%
35 North 4 Sam Fisher 23.57% 22.81%
36 North 7 KOS-MOS 22.96% 22.22%
37 West 7 Lara Croft 22.85% 22.11%
38 South 14 Ramza Beoulve 22.31% 21.59%
39 East 6 Sora 21.88% 21.17%
40 East 15 Ken 21.71% 21.01%
41 East 9 Miles 'Tails' Prower 20.41% 19.76%

i don't care what the extrapolateds say, but i never would've picked Sam Fisher over KOS-MOS, Ramza, Sora, and Ken, and probably not over Lara or Tails (although i might've put him over Tails only because of my deep hatred of Tails). i really can't see anything about Sam Fisher that would set him that far over the likes of Max Payne and Gordon Freeman. although, i have no explanation why Sam did so well against Magus. maybe people were feeling patriotic since it was Independence Day in America on the day of their match. i dunno. and i bet that another thing that's probably helping Gordon is that around half (or at least 40%) of the brackets will have Gordon.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
5) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
6) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
7) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
8) 61.68% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
9) 60.56% - Dante over Ratchet
10) 60.38% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
3) 62319 - Link over CATS
4) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
6) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
7) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
8) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 44835 - Dante over Ratchet
10) 44770 - Crono over Conker

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.04% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
2) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
3) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
4) 9.60% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
5) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
6) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
7) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
8) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
9) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl
10) 23.92% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 27 - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
2) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
3) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
4) 7397 - Ness over Jak
5) 7673 - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
6) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
7) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
8) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
9) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl
10) 18618 - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
6) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
7) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
8) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
9) 84379 - KOS-MOS vs. Ryu
10) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70413 - Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
3) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
4) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
5) 74039 - Dante vs. Ratchet
6) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
7) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
8) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
9) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
10) 78031 - Mario vs. J.C. Denton
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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 74251 - Solid Snake
3) 72344 - Link
4) 71329 - Cloud
5) 70219 - Megaman
6) 65184 - Mario
7) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog
8) 62375 - Crono
9) 61731 - Bowser
10) 60057 - Yoshi

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12243 - Sly Cooper
4) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
5) 12847 - J.C. Denton
6) 13367 - Luca Blight
7) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
8) 14602 - Ratchet
9) 15316 - Terry Bogard
10) 17605 - Conker

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 36102 - Viewtiful Joe
6) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
7) 35193 - Jill Valentine
8) 32733 - Jak
9) 31954 - KOS-MOS
10) 31660 - Scorpion

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 35220 - Ryu Hayabusa
2) 40130 - Ness
3) 41440 - Vyse
4) 43775 - Tails
5) 43913 - Frog
6) 47578 - Knuckles
7) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
8) 48334 - Tidus
9) 48443 - Vivi
10) 50045 - Ganondorf

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
10) 90.45% - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 46.30% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
5) 48.56% - Ryu Hayabusa over Jill Valentine
6) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
7) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
8) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
9) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man
10) 70.06% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Excellent.
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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

What the hell???

I know that the extrapolated rankings have a margin of error and I always take them with a grain of salt, but huh???

Sam Fisher should be winning by a lot more than this. At least 60% and that's giving the extrapolated a 6% margin of error.
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"Barry, you're too optimistic."--Jill Valentine

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

The extrapolateds were grossly off on Gordon last year too.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Yeah, but Gordon still made a huge stride from 2002 to 2003, if we forget about TJF for a moment.

Question of the day: Does that 87% on Tanner look more doable for Gordon now?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

No; but I'd say 84% is a safe guess.
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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

Max Payne > Tina Armstrong

Gordon just got a big boost.
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Vote in my Pseudo SpC2K5 bracket: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16032673
Feat: Goldeneye, Half-Life, Zelda I, Starcraft

"This is a .png"

That's easy to fix, and if you can't do it I got photoshop.

"Miss 20 or more points first;"

20 is too extreme, miss 10 and your 2k4 bracket is done.

"I could still see someone missing 6 points and still have a shot a winning something."

It is still a bit of a long shot there, though. Unless the bracket throws a real curveball like Crono beating Link I think 6 points to win a prize is a long shot, and if you lose 6 this early you still have plenty of chances to lose more.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Boy Gordon is doing good, but I'm expecting Sam to pull away with the day voteand end around 55/45
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/30 Sam vs. Gordon

55-45 seems right but I think Gordon will have a chance next year.
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Points in the S2k4C: 28/30
Next pick: Sam Fisher

Chichiri, what is your AIM sn? I asked you earlier, but I don't think you responded.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Well, I think Gordon is a combinaiton of things. First, he is probably more recognizable to contest fans. There are bound to be people who follow it that didn't know who Gordon was in the past. With Half-Life going for so cheap it doesn't take much to find out.

Gordon is also on the bad end of SFF matches, whether you agree with me or not. I can name two characters off the top of my head that have or at least appear to have gained in consecutive years... Gordon Freeman and Alucard. They were both in the upper half in 2k2 (being behind Mario) and in the lower half in 2k3 (being behind Sephiroth).

Also, while Tails didn't appear to gain in consectuive years he has made an astoundingly large leap forward in the last year while all of the hedgehogs in his life seem to have either not budged (the black one and the australian one) or return to former contest grace (the blue one).
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

My AIM SN is the same as this one.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Okay, thank you. =)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Fixing the 2k4 Bracket by Chichiri

As we all know, this year's bracket is to be riddled with SSF everywhere you look. Sometimes small, sometimes big, and perhaps there may be some, in the end, that look about as far away from accurate as the bottom of the Grand Canyon is from the top.

But wait! Don't be sad, we can fix it... for the most part. A little adjusting here and there, some good luck, and a little bit of guesswork and we may have the best extrapolated standings yet thanks to our previous years.

So how do we do it? Well, just you wait, because this is the intro and we don't need to jump ahead of ourselves. Really, show some patience for a change, okay? I'm breaking it down by 4-pack, you see, as we will be able to extrapolate each one soon enough. It also helps that the only way we can have SFF in the final four or later is if Crono takes it to the finals. So without further ado, here we go!

Link's fourpack: Oh noes! Zelda SFF!
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

Nothing to see here folks, we already know how Ganon is supposed to do against Link. When he falls short we just transfer over his 2k3 numbers then BAM!, fourpack fixed. Yes, that leaves room for some variation, but we already know perfection is just about out of reach. Ganon is one case where we should have no reason to doubt 2k3 numbers.

Luigi/Yoshi fourpack: What, we're screwed already?
Difficulty (out of 5): 5

This one just can't be fixed. Not only are the two vying for the fourpack potentially able to SFF eachother, advantage to whoever wins of course, but then the next round is yet again green Nintendo icon vs. green Nintendo icon. While I love the boys in green, this does mutilate the numbers... and 2k3 doesn't help in the slightest. There remains a strong chance that Yoshi suffered SFF against Bowser and that Luigi may have been hit by Samus/Link. The second is the least likely, however, so for the best look we may assume minimal damage from that event. It'll never be perfect though...

Crono's fourpack: And last year you people thought Square SFF might not exist...
Difficulty (out of 5): 3

Like with our first fourpack, the competitor expected to recieve SFF loses is so close to The Yard Stick (Link) that we can fix most damages. So why the 3 then? because we are relying on a great deal of luck here, that Crono can beat Mario. If he doesn't then we cannot say for sure if our results are legit. While most believe that the Link/Mario SFF is minimal at most, I would disagree. If Link and Mario can have some, even a very small amount, then Cloud and Seph can have some. If Cloud/Seph had SFF that means Mario took loses from it as well, and if Mario took even a little bit of loss from Cloud/Seph SFF then he actually would have taken more losses from Link than the numbers have shown as of yet. Since it can't be proven or disproven unless Crono beats Mario this fourpack can't be divined with certainty.

Mario's fourpack: It all comes down to one match.
Difficulty (out of 5): 4

Why the difference from Crono's fourpack, you say? Bowser went against Cloud, and from looking at Sonic over the years I think that just maybe... Cloud beats the hell out of some people more than he ought to. There's no real reason for sonic to have dipped like that, unless Cloud overperformed. Bowser may have the next best thing to being in line with The Yard Stick, but the next best thing isn't the best thing.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I have a question, did all people in spring contest top 10 live in America, or did number 11 also gete a prize?
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31/31 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Samus--->perfect first round

Fixing the 2k4 Bracket by Chichiri, Part 2

Mega Man's fourpack: It's so easy!
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

It's clear cut, no chance for mistakes. No SFF, for one, and Tidus' closeness to The Yard Stick in 2k3 for another. This four pack is so clean it's not even worth talking about anymore

Zero's fourpack: It's so hard!
Difficulty (out of 5): 5

And then we go to the opposite. Funny how so far the second four pack of a division gets screwed. First, we have an unkown quantity SFF in Proto/Zero, then we have it in Zero/Mega. Add to that the fact that we can't use Zero's 2k3 numbers because he is behind the underperforming Sonic, and we can't assume that he takes Sonic's ride upwards because Sonic may have just gained from SH. Tommy did worse this year, so far, Max did better, and Proto has never gotten in before. Unless tommy's performance falls right in line with what he should do agianst Zero we can't even begin to speculate. If it does, we're still guessing at best.

Frog/Master Chief fourpack: Crazy like a frog
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

Nothing here to kill the numbers. All we need is for Frog to win and this fourpack is perfect.

Solid Snake's fourpack: Snake Eater? More like Frog (and echidna) Eater
Difficultt (out of 5): 1

This just keeps getting easier. If Ceej wouldn't have crammed all the Mega Man characters so close together this would be a perfectly SFF free division.

Cloud's fourpack: Spiky hair that! Cloud makes a killing and doesn't kill our math.
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

Third four pack in a row without a care in the world? Must be about time for the 2nd fourpack curse to strke again...

Squall's fourpack: I almost hope Kirby wins... or not.
Difficulty (out of 5): 4

Squall takes some unkown numbre of SFF loses against Cloud, and the poor boy seems to have already underperformed this year. The fourpack itself is fine, but the way that this fourpack relates to all other characters in the contest is impossible to say unless Kirby wins. If Squall had put up the numbers he was supposed to against the B-man it'd be one thing... but those two combined with him being behind Samus last year makes for a mess we can't clean up. Again, for the math but not my bracket, our only hope is Kirby.

Auron's fourpack: Ahh, N vs S is pleasant, but damn you round three.
Difficulty (out of 5): 4

This one rates a 3 just because there are a few unkown factors here, especially in the Scorpion/Auron match and Ness's potential jump, that make it impossible to decide how much SFF there was without looking at A/S, and for that to work we still have to assume S may have dropped a little. Then, just like the last fourpack, the innevitable Square winner gets smacked down by a much bigger Square. This fourpack comes out clean, we just don't know how it compares to everybody else.

Sephiroth's fourpack: It could have been worse...
Difficulty (out of 5): 3

Seph hits Vivi by an unkown amount of SFF. The fix to that is that we know how DK did last year. His 2k3 numbers seem a bit iffy, but they are pretty much close enough. We set Vivi up from there and just run with it, that's as close as it gets. there is one oter small, spiky-haired problem. Seph goes against Cloud. While we can assume the same results as last year, we don't actually know how much that hurt Seph. They are so close it couldn't be much, but there could be some. Remmeber folks, don't underestimate Vivi in 2k5.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Fixing the 2k4 Bracket by Chichiri, Part 3

Sonic's fourpack: Wake me up when it's over
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

There's nothing wrong with this four pack. Nothing at all. Moving on!

Dante's fourpack: Ding-Dong the curse is dead!
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

The only time that the second fourpack in a division isn't an absolute mess just happens to be the one in the weakest division. Funny that.

Ryu's fourpack: There ain't no getting off this train we're on... and with how clean it'll make the stats look here why would we?
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

Three in a row, we're doing good. This division is so easy it makes me feel like I'm not doing anything. And doesn't it feel nice...

Samus' fourpack: Final Destination
Difficulty (out of 5): 1

Yeah, the whole friggin' division is clean, and the only chance for SFF is if Samus topples the strongest Square in the contest and faces Link. Let's call it a warp, shall we?


Well, there you have it. That's all that need to be done to make the bracket look decent. Half the contestants will actually come out looking clean. If it weren't for all the Square and Nintendo SFF this would no doubt end up being the best contest to base stats on. With a little luck it'll look even better than the bare minimum, and with a bit of guess-work we've still got a great bracket for stats.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Nice work, Chichiri. I really think that this year will really give us great info on how SFF goes on most key match-ups, and that at least can be applied to a lot of match-ups in the future.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Another crazy day, I wake up to see how bad Fisher is beating Freeman, and I see he's struggling to get 52% on the loser. Good grief. He's around 55% now I think, so that's good.

And damn, to think if Jill's surge started a couple minutes earlier, I would have looked like an idiot, and my bracket would die.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ryu vs. Jill - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Jill (27/29)

Chaos Division: Round 1 - Match 32 – (2)Samus Aran vs. (15)Lara Croft

Moltar’s Analysis

Samus
Game/Series Known From: Metroid Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 4th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 7th
Seed in 2002: 5
Seed in 2003: 2
Lost in Elite 8 to Sephiroth in 2002 and to Link in Elite 8 in 2003.

Our favorite Bounty Hunter is back and ready to own some more. Let’s just hope for match pics without the suit this year. >_>

Lara
Game/Series Known From: Tomb Raider Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 27th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 37rd
Seed in 2002: 1
Seed in 2003: 7
Lost in Sweet 16 to Crono in 2002 and to Max in Round 1 in 2003.

As Slowflake pointed out to me, Lara is not losing strength, but she isn’t gaining any either. The only reason she is falling in the ranks are because new, stronger competion is coming in.

*Instead of a regular analysis on this match, I will do something special.*

*Setting: Dr. Weird’s Laboratory*

Dr. Weird: GENTLEMEN, BEHOLD! My new invention!

*A metal door rises up revealing a 20 foot metal dinosaur.*

Dr. Weird: Now World Domination is mine! Quick, hand me the remote.

Steve the Assisstant: You made no remote, rememeber?

Dr. Weird: Oh yeah...

*The dinosaur breaks out of the lab and heads towards the city.*

*Intro*

*New Setting: Master Shake, Frylock and Meatwad’s from the Aqua Teen Hunger Force house, in the living room.*

Meatwad: Hey Shake, pass me the remote.

Master Shake: Shut up! I’m trying to watch this great movie....Oh yeah.

Meatwad: I don’t think you’re supposed to be watching this.

*Frylock heads in.*

Frylock: Shake, what are you watching?

Master Shake: *quickly throws control at Meatwad* Um...I don’t know ask Meatwad.

Meatwad: But I wasn’t watching this...

Master Shake: Shut up and switch to the tournament you ball of crap!

*Meatwad switches the TV channel, and the TV is now fully zoomed in on your screen.*

Moltar: Welcome Ladies and Gentlemen, Fanboys and Fangirls, Nerds and Geeks everywhere, to the Summer Contest 2004 Tournament which is being held at the GameFAQs dome. It has been a great First Round so far and now we are at the Final Match, Samus Aran versus Lara Croft. Ladies, how are you two day.

Lara: I am doing fine, and I’ll answer for the dumb blonde. She is doing great as well.

Samus: I can answer my own questions thank you very much. And I’m NOT dumb! Have you ever piloted your own spaceship?

Lara: ...So? Look at my boo-

Moltar: Ok ladies, enough of that. Let’s get this star-

*Crono and Magus walk onto the ring*

Crono: ...

Moltar: Darn it Crono. Shut up! Can’t you ever keep your mouth shut.

Crono: ...

Magus: Crono is right. Don’t tell him to shut up, he can so beat you up.

Moltar: Why are you even here?

Magus: We are here for our match. Me vs. Crono.

Moltar: We aren’t that far yet you blasted idiots!

Crono: ...

Magus: Yeah! Don’t call us idiots!

*Gordon Freeman gets into the ring.*

Gordon: I demand a rematch. I must prove to the people I am not a loser!

Moltar: Gordon. Go home. No one likes you.

Gordon: NO! I’m staying here until I get a rematch. So nyah.

Moltar: Sigh

*Link and Ganondorf run by.*

Link: Tag! You’re it!

Ganondorf: May you die a bloody and painful death from the edge of my sword. Fear the Pig Man.

Moltar: GET OUT OF HERE! I AM TRYING TO RUN A MATCH!

Crono: ...

Moltar: NO! It’s not your match yet. God, you’re stupider than Homer Simpson!
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Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

*The scene quickly switches to The Simpson house, where they are also watching the match on TV.*

Homer: Hey, I’m not stupid.

Bart: Yes you are.

Homer: Why you little...

*Homer begins strangling.*

Bart: Uh dad, I’m over here, you’re strangling a Master Chief doll

Homer: Huh? Oh...Heh.

MC doll: It’s Xbox’s fault people hate me!

*Camera switches back to the GameFAQs dome and then an angry mob storms the ring.*

Moltar: What are you people doing here?!

Tommy Vercetti, the Mob Leader: I’m here to make you an offer you can’t refuse. Tell us where the donuts are, and we’ll give you 10% off on a Chicken sub at Subway.

Moltar: There are no donuts here...

Tommy: Why not? *pulls out shotgun*

Moltar: -_-‘ Because you touch yourself at night.

*Camera switches to the Griffin family room, where they are also watching the event.*

Peter: Oh my God! I said that! That’s copyrighted material! We can sue!

*Peter runs out the door.*

Brian: He’ll be back in a bit...

*Just then, Peter bursts back in.*

Peter: I realized as I walked out the door that I haven’t had beer in the last 2 minutes.

*Peter runs into kitchen. Cameras cut back to the ring where Kirbys have invaded the ring.*

Moltar: Now what?

Kirby Number 435: We have come.....to take....your....Dental floss. I NEED SCIZORZ 61!

Moltar: *Slaps his forehead.*

Magus: Is it our match yet?

Moltar: NO! For the last time! IT IS NOT YOUR MATCH!

Lara: Yawn, I’m going shopping.

Moltar: No! Get back here! This is your match! Sigh.

Ulti: I predicted this would happen...

Moltar: QUIET YOU!

Bill Cosby: Oh Moltar with the yelling and the randomness and the tying in all caps and the *rambles off into untranslatable speak*.

CNet Manager: HA HA! Moltar, you’ve made me a rich man.

Moltar: What? This is my show. You don’t own it.

CNet Manager: Correction, I didn’t own it, until 2 seconds ago. Now it’s mine.

Moltar: Uh...

CNet Manager: First, this match isn’t happening in a ring. We need a change of layout!

Samus: No...that’s unnessacary.

Cnet Manager: Who cares? My show, my rules! Now let’s do this in Quicksand!

Magus: To the desert!

*Cue Batman transition scene except with a cactus in the background.*

*Lara and Samus stand in the sand near the quicksand, doing nothing.*

Cnet Manager: HA HA! They love it! I’m a genius!

*Cue transition scene again, except with the Dome in the back this time.*

Moltar: Sigh, will the madness ever end?

*The 20 foot dinosaur breaks into the Dome along with every other person/animal/creature/robot you can imagine.

Crono: ...

*The camera switches back to the ATHF’s living room.*

Shake, Meatwad, and Frylock: O_O

Master Shake: You know....let’s go to Carl’s pool.

Frylock: Is he there?

Carl: *Coming from the TV* ‘Ey Moltar, where are dem hookers you promised?

Master Shake: To the pool it is then.

*Back at the Dome, more randomness ensues.*

Peach: You think I’m fat Mario.

Mario: Shut up *****, or I’ll pop a cap in yo’ ass gangsta style. Can I get a whoop-whoop?

Yugi: If I believe in myself, I can do anything.

*Yugi jumps off the dome light and tries to fly, but fails and kills himself.*

Dinosaur: Got any 5's?

Robot Babies: Go fish.

Dinosaur: O_O KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN! *Kills half the people there.*

Moltar: This is just too much. I need some Tylenol, then I’ll get everything in control.

Ulti: I predicted that!

*Transition scene, only with Tylenol in the background.*
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

Moltar: Ok, everything is back in control. Now to begin the fight!

Samus: This is a fight, I thought it was a Hot Dog eating Contest. *Blows Lara’s head off with a missle* All done.

Moltar, Magus, Crono, and Gary Coleman: O_O

Gary: Whatchu talkin’ bout Samus?

Moltar: I guess we have a winner...

Crono: ...

Moltar: Now what?

*Crono performs a downward slice and makes a rip in time. Frog jumps out and “examines” Lara’s body.*

Frog: Oh yes, hit that spot.

Everyone there: X_X;;;

Samus: Ewww.

Gary: I think Imma be sick ya’ll.

Frog then grabs what’s left of Lara’s body and jumps back in the rip, which then closes.

Moltar: Uh, thanks for watching. Bye...

*The scene switches to Frog’s land, which is just a green field.*

Frog: *mumbles something about a ceremony while dragging off Lara’s carcass.*

THE END! * fake applause*

Dp:...What in the blue hell, was that?

Cena: I have no clue, but that was definitely not an Analysis.

Dp: Agreed....so, what to do now.

Cena: Let’s go raid the Old Folks home and the Orphanage!

Dp: Sounds like fun.

Ulti: Oh yeah, I predicted that.

*Credits*

Yes, the power went out and I was bored as hell. Now onto Round 2, which is more fixed than a WWE match.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Samus will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Samus 75% - Lara 25%


Ulti’s Analysis

Lara has gone from a 1 seed to a 7 seed to not having a single game in the Spring contest to a 15 seed. How sad, and she has absolutely no chance against post-Metroid Prime Samus.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Samus/Samus with 65.44%


Cena’s Analysis

One again, I'm pissing myself. I'll need new jeans soon. Either way, Lara blows. Samus blows too, IMO, but not nearly as much. Samus will take this easily, but Angelina Jolie fans (such as myself) will vote Lara. Hey, shut up! This is my analysis, all mine!

Cena's Vote: Lara

Cena's Prediction: Samus with 84% (Angelina Jolie rules this much)
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

Chichiri, kudos.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Nice write-up, Chichiri. =)

And Moltar, that was ****ing hilarious. XD

One of my favorite parts:

Moltar: This is just too much. I need some Tylenol, then I’ll get everything in control.

Ulti: I predicted that!

>>>>>>>XD

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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*tag for great justice*
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and it will be tough for Capcom to start her in a new series.

Capcom is the master of keeping someone alive with multiple games even if they don't make sense from a story standpoint. ;P
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It is still a bit of a long shot there, though. Unless the bracket throws a real curveball like Crono beating Link I think 6 points to win a prize is a long shot, and if you lose 6 this early you still have plenty of chances to lose more.

Well, if someone had lost 6 points by this time I wouldn't say they have the best chance in the world at winning something either. I was talking more for the future, because even going by the last contest (spring) the 10th placer had lost 6 points. Now, that is merely if you have the cookie cutter like bracket with Cloud/Link taking it all. Otherwise, six points wouldn't come close to killing you even at this point in time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

55% for Fisher now. I'm kinda expecting that push to stop sometime this evening... we're still 11 points off the X-Sts at this points. This is by far the highest we've seen so far in this contest, even Pac-Man can't come close. Pandora Tomorrow makes this even more surprising... dare I say that without it, Gordon might have actually taken the lead early on?

Ulti: I predicted that!

My ass you did. K, so I didn't either.

The good thing about yesterday's restart is that I can make my usual between-rounds write-ups on a day where I don't have any classes. Whee!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

Lost in Sweet 16 to Crono in 2002 and to Max in Round 1 in 2003.

I think you're confusing Lara with Gordon Freeman (how kind of you). Lara lost to Zelda in 2003.
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BtT: 3:57.60 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Amazing that Slowflake's powers worked two matches in a row. ^_^

But Jill came damn close. She almost beat TSF. O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

TSF?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

That curse I carry, I guess.

Wonder what'd have happened if I called the match in Sam's favor when he was only 100 votes ahead.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

TSF?

Teh Slowflake Factor

=)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Cena's Prediction: Samus with 84% (Angelina Jolie rules this much)

...You're saying Samus only gets 84% because of Angelina Jolie? Wow, this is like saying the only character Lara can beat is Tanner.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Lost in Sweet 16 to Crono in 2002 and to Max in Round 1 in 2003.

I think you're confusing Lara with Gordon Freeman (how kind of you). Lara lost to Zelda in 2003.

Ahh, my bad. I usually just write the new analyses over the old ones, so I forgot to change that.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

84? What was I thinking?!

As you can see, even Cena doesn't remember what he was on when he wrote that.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

Can somebody tell me how the **** TAILS beat VIEWTIFUL JOE?!?!?!? what was the %?

Tails got 54.80%. Not even close.

Although it cost me a point, good for him. I love the little guy. I'd like to behead his VA though.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1744

Tails won because we underestimated him. It became apparent that he was stronger than we gave him credit for after Auron destroyed Scorpion.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

As sad as it is, Tails actually managed to beat Joe in a 55-45 match. =(

...I await Dante's owning.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Which reminds me, had I read Auron right, I'd have a perfect first round. Dammit. I misread a character, get his match right, but he screws me over twice in the following days.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

Tails got more votes.
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"...for extremely well thought out and irrrefutable reasons that the poster below me will provide." ~Aeon Azuran

I'd like to behead his VA though.

Memories of Sonic Heroes....oh god...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

Hey, it was a good game!

Tails' VA was just the pits. And the script was more cheesy than a three-cheese pizza. And Shadow was in it. And the pinball tables and bonus stages were designed by someone who never took a physics course.

But other than that, it was great.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

As sad as it is, Tails actually managed to beat Joe in a 55-45 match. =(

...I await Dante's owning.

But the better Tails does against Dante, the stronger VJ is. So wouldn't it be better for Tails to do well against Dante?

Tails is a whipping boy.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I'd rather see another character I like take care of a character I hate in an "owning" like fashion.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

FF8 > Tails
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Dante should only win around 60/40, hardly sufficient for an owning.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Dante should only win around 60/40, hardly sufficient for an owning.

I'm rooting for more and it is possible for him to do such.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

i bet its more like 67-33
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Dante will only double Tails if he's as strong as Auron, and he wasn't last year even without Auron's SFF accounted for. I wouldn't put too much stock into overperforming against a bottom feeder like Ratchet.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I wouldn't put too much stock into overperforming against a bottom feeder like Ratchet.

I'd imagine him being able to show signs of an increase, because the dropoff couldn't have possibly been all Ratchet.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Makes sense to me that Dante went up. Now that they are both farther in the past, I imagine people recall the greatness (DMC) much more than the sadness (DMC2).

(somehow being gone for so long makes me not intimidated to post in here...)
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I wouldn't imagine that fodder characters without a cult following performs very consistently, especially those who are at such a low level. With a small fanbase that's probably not all that loyal, I could see Ratchet fluctuating quite a bit based on his opponent, especially someone who appeals to the casual voter like Dante does.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

It still doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me that someone such as Ratchet with a new, highly hailed, game having come over the past year take a fall himself. I'm much more into believing that Dante increased some while the majority being Ratchet going down.

I want to see Dante increase for four straight years.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh, you mean a well-received PS2 platformer for Ratchet? We've already seen that this genre for PS2 means nothing here. You're also assuming that a character performs the same every time against every character. We know that's not true, and as I said before, someone as low level as Ratchet is likely to fluctuate up or down based on his opponent.

Look at Gordon Freeman, for example. His performance has been very different in each contest.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I just don't believe it was simply Ratchet taking a dive against Dante as opposed to before when he was against Luigi. It isn't unlikely at all that Dante could have seen some sort of increase as of late. He's had the most recent cameo in Viewtiful Joe on the Playstation 2. Again, something of an increase from him wouldn't be out of the question at all.

And coming into the 2005 contest Dante will have finally hit the teens in strength. Probably sitting around Bowser-Squall (2003 standings). Heck, just going by this year he could be in the teens.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Just going by this year Dante WILL be in the teens, even if everything stayed exactly the same as last year. Aeris and Zelda are both ahead of him in the rankings, and they're not here.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And I'll correct myself before. It'd be three straight years of increase instead of four. 2002 to 2003, 2003 to 2004, 2004 to 2005.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Very true. I had forgotten they aren't in the contest.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hey, it was a good game!

I know. I just meant....

Tails' VA was just the pits.

AGREE'D

And Shadow was in it.

Die.

And the pinball tables and bonus stages were designed by someone who never took a physics course.

Yea, I didn't like em much either. Bring back the Sonic 3 Special Stages!

But other than that, it was great.

Yeah, it get's too much hate...
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Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

And like I was saying, Ratchet doesn't even have to take a fall for Dante to overperform against him. Character performance isn't static across the board, and I'd imagine the variation is greater as you go lower in the rankings, with the exception of cult characters like CATS.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Aeris and Zelda are both ahead of him in the rankings, and they're not here.

True, but perhaps Frog or Vivi will take their places?
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Vivi might stand a chance, but Frog is doubtful. I don't see Liquid Snake as a top 20 character. Even so, with all of the SFF matchups in this contest and Dante in a division that features a grand total of 0 of them, he won't have a problem breaking into the teens.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Tails' VA was just the pits. And the script was more cheesy than a three-cheese pizza. And Shadow was in it.

XD
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Dante could turn out to be quite the competitor next year.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Only 'cause Capcom keeps whoring him out all the freaking time...

Do we really need him in Shin Megami?

*Prefers both Alucards*
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Capcom's definitely got him scheduled to be in places this year.

Viewtiful Joe, MegaTen, and then Devil May Cry 3.

Not that I'm complaining.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heh.

Just wish my friends would shut up about him...and that I could show them an episode of Hellsing.
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Maybe they're compensating for the fact that Soul Calibur 2 got lame Heihachi instead of Dante.
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Dante in SC2 would have kicked ass.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Considering that the guns would kinda...I dunno..make him win all the time?
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He does have a sword.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And Gauntlets. They could have had some sort of mode switch with him and he could use both or something....
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See, He'd be like gauntlet using Heihachi AND have a sword. Booyaka
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The same size as Nightmare's I believe. The game needs not a Nightmare clone...

Hence why Cloud or Sephiroth will never get in.
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Yuber lives in Pennslyvania...watching...

And no, his sword is of a rather tame size.

Unless you use his Sparda sword, that is.
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You know he can have more than one weapon, like everyone does...
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Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

Good grief. Cloud, Sephiroth, and Dante weren't in Soul Calibur 2 because they aren't owned by Namco. Link may not be owned Namco, but he is owned by Nintendo, which also makes one of the systems SC2 was released on. And Spawn isn't owned by any video game company. It would have been a miracle and a half to see any character not owned by Namco or Sony appear in the PS2 version of Soul Calibur 2. That does mean that they could've used KOS-MOS, though, which would have been the best decision anyone at Namco could've ever made.
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"You need a spanking!" - Mystere (Lunar 2)
^_~

His sword really isn't that bad unless, like mentioned earlier, you have the Sparda Sword. Using the original Force Edge would work fine and then being able to use his guns as more of a long range weapon could work out.

I'd take him over Heihachi, anyday.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

because they aren't owned by Namco

If Capcom went to Namco and asked about Dante the odds of him being in there would be fine. It isn't like Namco would be like "OMG! Get that out of here!" Though, it could work vice versa as well (Namco going to Capcom). You don't need to be owned by Namco in order to make a cameo appearance.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

After all, it's not like Atlus owns Dante, but guess what game he's in...
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Maybe not, but it is pretty rare. Heihachi (even though he did TOTALLY suck) was much easier to put into the game since they didn't need to get permission from anyone to use him. Another Namco character would've been much more realistic to use than a Capcom or Square character, though.
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"You need a spanking!" - Mystere (Lunar 2)
^_~

Cloud or Sephiroth getting in honestly wouldn't be all that realistic to me. I could still see Dante though.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I've already used Cloud and Sephiroth in Ehrgeiz. And truth be told, I'd rather not do it again,
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I'm still pretty shocked that Gordon was able to hold Sam under 60%. That's the lowest I ever saw him going, and my prediction was 66.45%. >>
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

That's fodder deviation and fluctuation for ya. No character is going to perform exactly by the stats against everyone. Some can over- or underperform by quite a bit depending on the opponent.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

...Damn. Owned on SC2 subject....

Albedo had Jin's stance...>_>...
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Yuber lives in Pennslyvania...watching...

Kind of funny that Gordon has apparently increased two years in a row but he still can't win XD.

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That's Gordon for ya. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heh, and Heroic Mario thinks it's an accomplishment for Dante to increase each year when Gordon Freeman does it. Kinda shoots that down, doesn't it?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Indeed it does. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heh, and Heroic Mario thinks it's an accomplishment for Dante to increase each year when Gordon Freeman does it. Kinda shoots that down, doesn't it?

Yes, but it's harder for a higher-ranked person to keep increasing. The lower you are, the easier it is to gain.
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Ratchet has as much room to go up as anybody and it looks like he's going down.

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind if CJayC took another day off at the end of round 1. I'd rather see Magus-Crono on Labor Day than Mario-Bowser since the first one at least has the potential to be interesting.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Um...Magus/Crono is on a Sunday...with no school/work the next day....It's all fine with me.
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Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

magus/crono has just as much potential to be interesting as mario/bowser, imo at least, cause I would be really really surprised for either of their counterparts to win. in a related note, a bowser/magus battle would have been good.
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Forgive me if this has been asked again and again in here. I just figured this would be the best place to ask it seeing as most of you know what you're talking about.

If Sephiroth somehow gets by Cloud(please God). What are the chances that he can take down Link? I think whoever wins the Cloud/Seph match wins the tournament personally.
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Matters how much he beats Cloud. If its barely, I say 50/50. If he beats him by more than 2 percent, then he wins.

I know that the extrapolated rankings aren't always reliable and I know that jobbers can have random fluctuations, but even with that taken into account today's results just don't make any sense.
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"Barry, you're too optimistic."--Jill Valentine

Well, I'm still not in utter shock in regards to Gordon's increase. He may even make another next year, but even if he does it won't be to such an extreme.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I blame Half-Life 2 hype and rumors. The fake Gabe Newall post that happened about a week ago said that the game would be going gold today. That might have something to do with it, but really, who knows? The important thing is that GFNW.
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Who knows with Gordon. We'll see in a couple weeks what today may have meant.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

That does mean that they could've used KOS-MOS, though, which would have been the best decision anyone at Namco could've ever made.

You are officially my hero.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

KOS-MOS in Soul Calibur? Really, the SC2 extras were bad enough. there is a reason why I have said so many times that SC1 has the support of actual fighting game fans over SC2... and comments like KOS-MOS being in SC only further that argument.

I have nothing agianst her, but she doesn't fit in with the feel of the series. Necrid, Link, Spawn, and Heihachi don't either... but i never said I wanted THEM in either.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

there is a reason why I have said so many times that SC1 has the support of actual fighting game fans over SC2

Which is why it would do far better on the main page then it's prequel. SCII may not get the vote of King in Teal and some other hard-core fighting game fans, but the average voter loves it.

Anyone have sales figures for both?

I have nothing agianst her, but she doesn't fit in with the feel of the series. Necrid, Link, Spawn, and Heihachi don't either... but i never said I wanted THEM in either.

She'd be cool, that's all. Not like I'd use her very much.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I only have sales for SCII and this is for all 4 systems

Soul Calibur II

NA: 2 207 000
Japan: 563 000
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/30 Sam vs. Gordon

Thanks, 2.2 Million in NA looks good to me. ^_^
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Which is to say that SC2 sold about as well, on average, on each system it made its appearances on as the first game did on the DC. Wow... it sold 3 times more because it was available on 3 times as many systems. Shocker.

Oh, and Driv3r sold 50% more than SC2 on the PS2 alone, so obviously sales matter a lot.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Match XXX: (3) Ryu Hayabusa vs. (14) Jill Review

Ryu H. beat Jill, 50.02% - 49.98%

Wow just wow. What a match I guess I should start by saying what happened. Anyways we started the poll with Ryu H. winning, but Jill easily caught up. Many of the board members notice that the Sora vs. HK-47 was still popping up so many of them demanded a redo, but the poll still went on. Jill built a lead of about 500 until Ryu H. came back. It didn’t take long for him to regain the lead, but when he did he started gaining. By 7pm Pacific Ryu H. has built a lead of 700 until CJayC made a topic about that Sora vs. HK-47 glitch and he deiced to have a redo.

When the glitch free match started again Ryu H. took the regular lead, but Jill struggled to take the lead like before. It took her 30 min. this time before she got the lead, many thought that Ryu H. was getting the advantage and called the match over. Boy were they wrong. Jill did not only get back to 500 she got all the way to 900. Ryu H. responded back by taking chunks of the lead away from Jill. It took much longer for Ryu H. to get back the lead like he did last time, but once it was down to 0 there was a huge struggle for like 30 min over the lead, but Ryu H. like last time took over the lead. Ryu H. now built a lead of 400 by 9pm Pacific, but with 3 hours left Jill started to come back. By 10pm it was down to about 300 as of now it looked like Ryu H. would win with over 100 votes. She slowly started to gain faster and faster, but time was against her and the number of votes she need per 15 minutes began to increase. Thing look bad for her at 11:30pm she was behind by 200 and she was gaining too slowly, but just then she went into hyper mode. She started to gain like a maniac she was gaining almost double then she used to get. By 15 minutes the lead was down to 115, this match was going down to the wire and the longer it takes CJayC to switch the poll the better it was for Jill. She was gaining fast, but most people were still determine to get the first vote in the next match (like me) so we had to drop out of refreshing like about 2 min. before the poll ended, but at that the lead was at 30, unless CJayC took a while to change to poll victory was for Ryu H. but the next poll went on, on-time and Jill lost by 27 votes breaking the old record of the closest match ever of 34. Jill you’ve played well and if you started your comeback a few min. earlier you could’ve won.

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Summer 2004 Contest 25/30 Sam vs. Gordon

Match XXXII: (2) Samus vs. (15) Lara Preview

Past Performances:

Samus: 2002

Defeated Ken, 65.31% - 34.69%
Defeated Ryu Hoshi, 57.85% - 42.15%
Defeated Sonic, 50.02% - 49.98%
Lost to Sephiroth, 47.36% - 52.64%
Ranked: 4th

Samus: 2003

Defeated Isaac, 75.34% - 24.66%
Defeated KOS-MOS, 69.75% - 30.25%
Defeated Squall, 58.20% - 41.80%
Lost to Link, 37.94% - 62.06%
Ranked: 7th

Lara: 2002

Defeated Chop Chop Master Onion, 69.63% - 30.37%
Defeated Ryo, 59.38% - 40.62%
Lost to Crono, 29.13% - 70.87%
Ranked: 27th

Lara: 2003

Lost to Zelda, 37.71% - 62.29%
Ranked: 37th

Analysis:

Samus is from the Metroid series. Samus is one of Nintendo’s mascots and when her first game was released people were shocked that Samus was a girl, but to this day Samus is probably the most popular female ever. In 2002 Samus was placed in probably the hardest division to get out of, but Samus easily took out two Street Fighter characters before coming to Sonic. Even though Samus was losing at first, the match was won by Samus by the closest match ever, but in round 4 she lost to Sephiroth, but at least she gave him a run for his money. In 2003 and after getting a game since 8 years ago Samus was stronger then ever. Defeating Isaac and KOS-MOS easily and putting an end to last year’s upset Squall and she did fairly well against Link. This year she’s back to see that she might have a rematch against Sonic in round 4, but this time Samus has a few new games, but so does Sonic.

Lara is from the Lara Croft series. She’s also one of the few characters in this contest that has had a movie, but the movie wasn’t really that good. In 2002 Lara was actually a 1 seed (the seeding was bad). Lara if you ask me had the easiest path to the Sweet 16. She defeated a rapping onion by a lot and a character that is going to avenge his father’s death that is from a game where no one plays. Then she becomes the first 1 seed to fall to a 5 seed, Crono easily defeats her, Lara couldn’t even get 30% against him. In 2003 Lara lost in the first round to Zelda, but don’t forget that Zelda is from The Legend of Zelda series and on this site that would make her very strong. Now in 2004 she has given a seed that a fodder would deserve, but she’s not a fodder. She may be weak, but I can name a few matches where she could win or at least give the winner a run for its money. This may be Lara’s last year.

Well we have one of Nintendo’s greatest stars going against a once very popular character. Lara hasn’t gone down or up in the past year, but she is no where near Samus’ level, but she is also very underestimated by the board. I’ve seen people make like 80/20 predictions. I would be surprised if Samus broke 75%. Lara may be weak, but she’s not that weak.

In the standings she is near KOS-MOS’ level, but that match was taken place in the North Division while Lara was in the West Division. A lot of things can happen with a gap that big. Either one could be weaker then what the standings show. But it doesn’t really matter about that Samus should still easily win, but she does have to compete with Sonic’s high score a few matches ago, but I still think that was because Terry is falling in popularity.

This now starts Samus’ quest to see if she can get to the Final Four for the first time. Her first three match will probably be easy for her (but they won’t be blowouts either) until she meets Sonic again, but her first bump will be the underseeded Lara, but like I said Samus has that match won.

Charmander’s Bracket: Samus

Charmander’s Prediction: Samus wins, 70.75% - 29.25%

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Summer 2004 Contest 25/30 Sam vs. Gordon

Which is to say that SC2 sold about as well, on average, on each system it made its appearances on as the first game did on the DC. Wow... it sold 3 times more because it was available on 3 times as many systems. Shocker.

That's not entirely fair to it. I'm sure there are plenty of people who have both a GC and a PS2 who, if they only had one of those, would have bought it for the one they have.

Oh, and Driv3r sold 50% more than SC2 on the PS2 alone, so obviously sales matter a lot.

No one said they did. I just wanted to see them.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Youre are right, it isn't fair, had the game not been released on three systems it certianly wouldn't have tripled the sales of the original. I in fact do know people who bought all three version, sad as it is to say. Had it been exclussive to the system it sold best for it would have been lucky to get 50% more than the original.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Youre are right, it isn't fair, had the game not been released on three systems it certianly wouldn't have tripled the sales of the original.

I think the fact that it did appear for all 3 systems is part of what made it appeal to the causal fighting game fan. I know before buying it I had only ever owned 2 fighting games, Mortal Kombat a long time ago for PC and SSBM. So I'm not much of a fan of the genre, and I have no intention of ever buying something like Street Fighter Anniversery Collection, Guilty Gear XX, Marvel vs Capcom and the like (which seem to be praised above SCII by people who know the genre, like KiT and Heroic Dr Wly). If it wasn't well marketed and put on all 3 systems, I likely wouldn't have gotten it at all.

I in fact do know people who bought all three version, sad as it is to say.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Yeah...
dot, dot, freakin' dot. Some people are insane. I've also got friends with import copies as well as domestic. The game sold multiple copies to many people, and i do think the original is highly superior. While SC may or may not have made it above SC2 in a straight nomination system is unimportant, fact is SC1 is still as good as the series gets.

Only upside to SC2, Seung Mina got a lot more competitive.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

ok I split the consols up. The first number is NA and the second is Japan

GCN: 640 000/97 000
PS2: 583 000/145 000
DC: 574 000/289 000
Xbox: 410 000/32 000

By NA # GCN sold the most, but by both DC is the winner
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/30 Sam vs. Gordon

dot, dot, freakin' dot. Some people are insane. I've also got friends with import copies as well as domestic. The game sold multiple copies to many people,

Some people really do make me wonder.

and i do think the original is highly superior. While SC may or may not have made it above SC2 in a straight nomination system is unimportant, fact is SC1 is still as good as the series gets.

I still think that assuming they fought in a match (SFF aside) SCII would own SCI pretty badly, regardless of what people who really know the series think. But then again it's very often like that.

Only upside to SC2, Seung Mina got a lot more competitive

She can be a real *****.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I never played the first Soul Caliber but it is supposed to be vastly superior to the second one. It is one of the... 4? games on gamespot that got a 10.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Zelda: OOT
Soul Calibur
Tony Hawk 3
Chrono Cross

The only four games that got 10/10 from GameSpot.
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Contest Stats: 29/31 Next Pick: Samus Aran
Today's subliminal thought is:

TH3?

lol
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/30 Sam vs. Gordon

It is vastly superior, if you take into consideration a much better fighting engine. The changes made to it for SC2 weren't good. To get a good idea of this, try Sophitia. She was a direct transfer from 1 to 2, and sicne she wasn't adapted to the new system she isn't as strong a character. She's a bit too weak against attacks from the side.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

For whatever reason, most reviewers like Tony Hawk 3. Personally, I liked all the Tony Hawks for about... two days.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I only bought the original TH. It did nothing for me at all, and I haven't gotten any more since.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

What the *insert unspeakable words of horror* is Chrono Cross doing there?

Chrono Cross is supposed to be very good. I think any game that can have THAT many characters each have an in depth background deserves to get a 10/10. Of course, I have never played it so I don't know how in depth it really is.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I think any game that can have THAT many characters each have an in depth background

???

I think you're mistaking Chrono Cross for another RPG. Unless if by in-depth background, you mean different accents.

CHA!

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

As I said, I have never played it. I am just going by what I heard.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

They don't have depth.... I didnt venture farther than 25 hours into it... All I recall is different image, and character specfic-moves on the 3rd and 5th part of the skill tree... which I can't find an analogy for right now but is quite crappy =/.

well the goes the last 0 bracket

anyways Samus is doing better then I thought and even looking at CM theories I don't think he meant that much
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Ten perfects picked Freeman?
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Crash.

I am among the 15 most elite. >>;
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I think this match is the nail in the coffin of not having a perfect bracket this year.

Sad that Gordon Freeman caused this.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

weird such an easy match to predict yet I move up 925 spots
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

I'm shocked that only 60% of the perfects got it. Now the top 200 has (-2). I wonder how long until we see a (-2) on the leaderboard?
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Score: 29/30
Upcoming picks: Sam, Samus, Link, Luigi

probably by the end of Yoshi vs. Luigi and if not Magus vs. Crono
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Of the 15 perfedts left
5 Clouds
4 Sepihiroths
3 Links
1 Crono
1 Vivi
1 Tidus

Thoughts anyone?

Those 5 with Cloud have the right winner.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

nope it's the 3 Links
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

The fact that more have Seph than Link should tell you something.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

No more than 5 people have a shot at getting the perfect bracket, but they've already made it half way. Good luck, boys.
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

No it's the Vivi.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

...go Crono?

But seriously. More than 65% should have got that match right.

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If you add monster truck tires to the Pope-mobile, religion suddenly becomes funny - SSJ3 Popo

Ahh... this is the fun thing about Gordon. No other character with a zero win-rate can fool so many bracket makers into believing that he might actually win a match. ^^

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

No more than 4 actually. Unless there is some sort of miracle and Ryu beats Sonic. In THAT case, I win this whole contest.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

More people had faith in Tidus than Sam Fisher. Astounding.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Also, without doing any of crono vs Marios, am I the only one coming up with Crono by all rights being able to get 42% on link in 2k3?
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That sounds about right.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I always find it funny, every year there is a 0 bracket, he gets by on every single tough decision, and then right near the end he blows it on a seemingly no-brainer. Seriously, Fisher over Freeman, even for non-board visitors, should've been obvious.

well, seeing as how the match played out, it wasnt TOO obvious, well...yes it was, but eh, it was lower than the stats predicted, but wow at samus' percentage right now, isn't that kinda high?
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78%? 78%? Oh my God, this is just terrifying. I'm not sure if this validates the Link/Samus SFF theory, because it's what CLOUD would be expected to get. Nonetheless, if there's a part of it, this explains Luigi's great performance, though this doesn't explain Ratchet's, Squall's and Crash's piss-poor showings, and it asks serious questions about KOS-MOS doing exactly what she was expected to do.

Yoshi/Luigi just became even more exciting.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 028/030 - Matches: 28/30 - Rank: 00238/33221 - Today: Sam - Tomorrow: Samus

And God knows that with Samus obviously getting the day vote, things are just going to get worse.

I can't believe it, but the first round results would project Samus winning the championship if she breaks 80% here. O_O
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

I can't believe it, but the first round results would project Samus winning the championship if she breaks 80% here. O_O

I've been expecting Samus to do surprisingly good against Cloud/Sephiroth anyways, but I still didn't think she could do much more than double Lara Croft. Wow.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I would love to see that, to be honest. She kicks that much ass. Even more amusing is how Samus could have easily ripped Sephiroth a new one back in 2002 if she had Metroid Prime/Fusion/Zero Mission before then.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Though personally, all of this projection stuff is just speculation. The Xsts have been severely challenged lately.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Yeah, but they were working alright for the first three divisions. That's weird.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

That's why the division is labeled Chaos, I guess.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I don't really believe them 100%, anyways. My frozen pizza got 35% on a paper plate, but that doesn't mean that it would get 46% on the flat pepsi a full year later. There are voter shofts that the stats simply cannot catch.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I think you are all OVERestimating Lara, she hasn't had a good game for years...no wait she has never had a good game. She is losing popularity...a lot.
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Points in the S2k4C: 29/31
Next pick: Samus Aran

Bah, here I was hoping that Samus would be underperforming against Lara when I checked the results. Oh well.

Squall's and Crash's can be explained by the shift in the 2003 voting pool that caused Bomberman and the bandicoot himself to return to their 2002 levels. Take that however you will, but it's not exactly unreasonable to think that a drastic increase or decrease in the number of voters could change a character's strength. Ratchet is more of a case of fodder deviation, much like Freeman. His performances can be drastically different based on the opponent.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

*Looks at current results*

>_>
<_<

Um... Better luck next time, Sonic?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

All these theories... 'tis getting a little too much for my brain to handle. And sometimes they contradict themselves anyway.

It always takes me a few hours to type the Winners and Losers section... don't expect me to be back for a while.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

Goodbye, Sonic! ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

What did you guys expect after a highly successful Metroid Prime, full saturation of SSBM (as seen from the Spring Contest), TWO successful GBA games, and a mega-hyped sequel in Metroid Prime 2? No other character in the contest has gotten more exposure than Samus in the past 2 years. If you guys think the KHF played a big role in Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall's success last year, didn't you think that the past year would play ANY role for Samus this year?

Metroid Prime came out 6-7 months before last years contest. Most of the initial buyers I would believe would already be fans of Samus or at least be familiar with her. It's the later sales that draw new people in after seeing all the hype that would benefit the most for her contest-wise. Throw in the 2 GBA games and the hype over MP2 and Nintendo has created a monster. I took one look at the bracket and initially thought "Hmmm, looks like CJayC is giving Samus her chance to be in the contest limelight". Sonic & Samus and a bunch of midtiers at best. He should have thrown Crono into this division to really shake things up. I know it's still early in the contest, but I have full confidence in Samus. Even if Sonic has increased somewhat due to SH, there isn't too much room for him to move up unless he has an earth-shattering OoT-like game. Samus had far more room for improvement.

*end Samus endorsement*
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Sweet...10 perfects fell. 15 left...and only around 1000 peeps with a better score than me. This round is where the dreams of many of these 1000 will be shattered...hopefully enough that I can taste the leaderboard :)

Damn u Ness and Tails!

And yep...today the satire resumes...better than ever.
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 15 SC2K4: 29/32 (Go FROG!)

From the fanboy who loves his hero...
To the cosplayer dressed in garb...
For gamers near and gamers far...
Who take this contest close to heart...
Well now its time to mock thee...
For satire is my game...
Read this thread and you will see...
Steve Illumina Speaks!

Yep folks, I am BACK! More irreverent than ever...prepared to bash all that the elites, newbies, and casuals hold dear, all in the name of mockery and self glorification, while wishing all along for nothing more than leaderboard adulation and reverence for the hallowed name of Steve Illumina...

So without further adieu...I shall speak!

Round XXXIII: Link vs Ganondorf

Bracket: Link
Preference: Link
Guest Elite Pick of the Day: ULTIMATERIALIZERX
Ulti's Pick: Link
Oracle %: 72.11 in favor of Link...
Prophet: 24177 votes...
Would Rather Pick: Octorok...
Brackets Above Me to Fall: 785

Comments: The Hero of Hyrule and contest favorite of the Nintendites takes on his nemesis in the first of many "for the kiddies" dream matchups in Ceej's rigged flawed bracket.

Anyone not under the age of 12 knows full well this match is as predictable as rain in a hurricane, snow in a blizzard, and fat kids going back for a third helping at the chinese buffet! I mean come on! Everyone who is anyone knows full well that in a hero vs villain matchup from the same game or series, the hero will never lose. Aint happened once yet. And it wont happen here. Especially in such a famous hero-villain relationship as this one, and the 2 others in this division, those being obviously Mario-Bowser and Crono-Magus. 3 predictable matches...

How about some hero-villain matchups that are slightly less predictable! Lets test your gaming mettle with these 'classic' duels:

Billy Lee vs Shadow Boss
Bill vs Red Falcon
Prince of Midenhall vs Hargon
P-38 vs Yamato
Bartz vs X-Death

All 5 of those big time rivalries would be more interesting matches than the 3 clunkers in this round! Dont ya agree?

Editor's Note: Anyone able to name all 5 of the games those real above mentioned duels are from gets the Gamer of the Day award from yours truly!

Or you could put up some joke hero-villain matchups...things like these:

Squall vs Himself
Cloud vs Nibelheim Shopkeeper
Tidus vs Puberty
Quistis vs Trepe Groupies
Tellah vs Alzheimers

Moving right along now...to the Analysis!

Results: The so called strategy known as SFF will rear its head here, as Hero Link takes out Ganon by a 70-30 range of vote margin. Wont even be close. Snooze...

Quotes: "My booties itch..." -Link, "I will spit the bones of that little elf out!" -Ganon
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 15 SC2K4: 29/32 (Go FROG!)

What???!!!! I don't get how the extrapolateds could be pretty accurate up til now and then have everything fall apart.

I would call this Samus/Link SFF, but Ratchet, Squall*, Crash, KOS-MOS's performances imply that's not true. Also, I could say that this has something to do with the casual vote being lowered but still would it really have this much of an effect. Even Crash didn't drop this much.


*Squall's performance implied that even if Bomberman went back to 2k2 levels he (Squall) stayed the same rather than increasing
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"Barry, you're too optimistic."--Jill Valentine

See ya, guys. I'm going on vacation for the next 4 or 5 days, so...I'll be back then.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

On a side note, Samus is doing damn well against Lara right now. Sonic has no chance.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Nice to see Samus totally owning the worthless Lara Croft.

Looks like I was wrong about Sonic having a shot at Samus though. No doubt much of this is Lara declining in popularity, but one would still think at this point that Sonic won't challenge Samus. Guess everyone was right about that all along.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

SC2K4 FIRST ROUND WINNERS AND LOSERS

WINNERS

STAR OF THE ROUND: Samus Aran - I remember MMX saying, following the Prime/Wind Waker match this spring, that he'd never put much stock into Samus and Metroid again (he had LttP and WW falling in round 2 IIRC). Fatal mistake? Today's match screams a giant "yes". Of course, it's only one match, we can't be too sure, but if we were to take the X-Sts placings of all the first round losers and extrapolate the positions of the winners from them, Samus Aran would be your new Summer Contest Champion. I second Ulti in that would kick so much ass. I'd still prefer Kefka or Magus, but Kefka is gone, and Magus' chances... meh. But I digress. She looks primed to finally get the 80% she deserved for so long. (She's the only Noble Nine character to have not done so yet, for those keeping tabs.) That being said, I think you were all expecting our first honorable mention (a new addition for this contest) in this place instead...

HONORABLE MENTION #1: Liquid Snake - He seemed to be deadlocked for SotR after leading a bunch of times against a big Chrono Trigger fan-favorite... until today. But Samus doesn't take anything from what was a surprisingly breathtaking match. Fourth closest match of all time, closest wire-to-wire match ever, surpassing even CT/LttP... Is the "Snake" name for anything here? Maybe, since Shadow is a clone of Sonic (not storyline-wise, of course, but you get my point) and a match between the two would be expected to end up 52-48 without SFF. The Twit Snakes are probably not this close together, but still, for one who was expected to drop the soap two minutes into his match, this was great.

HONORABLE MENTION #2: Luigi Mario - How things change over the course of one short year. A lot of people in the stats topic didn't like the idea of this match NOT being the DRS in the Prophet challenge... how wrong we were. For one who was so close to Scorpion in the X-Sts, performing 10 points better than him against the same opponent is a godsend when he knows he's involved in THE match of the second round, the only good SFF match in a sea of painfully obvious ones. After being at the losing end of a massive round 2 upset, could he be at the winning end of another? And for the record, using the same method that gives Samus the championship with the X-Sts, Luigi would beat Squall in a rematch. Creepy.

Link - I don't think anyone's going to disagree with this. Link seems to have the X-factors he didn't have last year this time around. Mostly the pics... looks like we're going to see a LOT of Zelda 10 in Link's matches. (Zelda 10 Link vs. AC Sephiroth would be one I'd love to see. Beats FF10/SSBM in sheer unfairness.) Not only did he get a point more on CATS than Cloud did, but CATS never took the lead at all at the beginning. So now he's in the position of "maybe, maybe a slight favorite, but I'm not too sure, it can be Cloud, it can be Sephiroth...". Still better than the Link that never threatened Cloud at all in their match last year.

Alucard Tepes - Talk about undeserved hype. Going into the contest the casuals were all over Alucard's match like bees on the fool who destroyed a hive. But we knew better, and thought Ganondorf was going to run away with a 60%+ win. But as it turned out, Alucard gave more of a fight than expected, and the match was actually 53-47 at sunrise. Of course, the day vote brought it back to more expectable levels, but Alucard still shone in his loss. It's a pity that Ganondorf's next opponent will drag him so low in the X-Sts.

Mario Mario - It was about time. It took three contests, but he finally did it. He made fodder look like... fodder! After a very questionable 74% on Servbot and a just as nonsensical 67% on Morrigan, followed by a questionable 55% against Shadow the year later, we could come to the realization that Mario anti-votes are not as big as they seem. So while the showing against Servbot could be attributed to a First Match Factor, Morrigan and Shadow suddenly looked so much more legitimate. And many of those who picked Tidus (rightfully) started to worry.

Tidus - Way to shut these haters up. Wait, no he didn't. People just keep saying he overperformed and Shadow should've won. My ass. The X-Sts projected Shadow to win, yes. With a glorious... 50.06% of the vote. Tidus won with 50.81%. So we have all these people going into a fuss for 0.87%. They just think it's much higher, since they use the X-Sts in as wrong a manner as they use their wang, these silly Shadow fanboys. Tidus, perennially underestimated by the board and slightly overestimated by the front-page bracketmakers. This is his story.

Max Payne - Oh Jesus. Don't tell me I'm giving Max Payne a compliment. But he really did well, considering who he was up against. Max Payne 2 is probably no stranger to this increase, or perhaps it's GTA being a fad that's fading away. But no matter, here I'm being serious and giving props to whoever deserves them. Except Shadow. Because Shadow sucks.

Master Chief - *points to quote* Well, looks like we were all way off. Thinking Crash Bandicoot could be one to collect anti-X-Box votes. Or, as this match suggests, they don't exist. Then what of Felix? I just can't see him as a genuine 8-seed. This puzzling constatation just goes to show that any train of thought, ANYTHING, could not have prepared us for the humongous blowout we saw that day. Master Chief was projected to get 66%, and he breaks 70. Coming from someone who was thought to have armies of fanboys voting for him at the first occasion (read: Halo being favored over SMB3 for the Spring Contest crown in a front page pre-poll) BUT also armies against him (I'll once again bring up Felix). Is Crash THIS hated?

Kefka Palazzo - I wish I was awake when he was in the lead, I would've splooged all over the place. He quickly built himself the reputation of the worst loser Square ever put in one of these contests. In the non-SFF-adjusted X-Sts, guess who was breathing right down his neck? ...That's right, Gordon Freeman. And then he barges in the next year and leads over a confirmed strong midpacker for a full hour. Before going down in blazes during the day, as most people facing Sonic characters do. Nonetheless, he still came almost as close to Knuckles as Yuna did, redeeming the BEST ****ING CHARACTER EVER in the overall picture.

Solid Snake - Only two characters pulled 90%+ blowouts before. Link and Megaman. They don't have notoriety problems, EVERYONE knows who they are. Solid Snake is a different matter. Not everyone knows Snake. Not to the same extent as Mr. Driller, duh. But Snake is no gaming icon like Link or Megaman. Seeing this from this point of view, pulling 94% on anyone, ANYTHING, reeks of divine intervention. The only excuse that can be made up is that Snake looks cool while Tanner looks generic. That can be the reason, you know. But 94%... wow. That's better than what Link did against some lame monkey.

Cloud Strife - Sure, he was expected to get a bit higher than that. But with a picture like his opponent had, it begged for a thousand or two joke votes. Don't trust that result, he's still in very good shape.

Bomberman - Was it a fluke? Did he jump back to where he was in 2002 after an inexplicable drop? Did Squall go down? I have no idea what the answer is, but hopefully he got himself out of "fodder" status.

Ness - He was this close, this close, to reaching the iconia Gordon Freeman gets on this board. After Ness was hyped to do well against Bowser only to get a mere 24%, and Earthbound lost to Doom without putting up a fight, he came back as a 6-seed. That's one seed higher than Bowser. The worst thing about that is that he faced another guy who never should've been in this contest either. And guess what, he won. Finally. I like the guy, and I got some sympathy for him for starring in such a horrible, horrible game. But the question remains... did he really suffer from SFF against Bowser? We won't know for a while... he faces another guy that hasn't been gauged accurately yet, and who will be involved in a SFF match in the third round. Yay. CJayC must've done that on purpose to throw us off.

Auron - This guy deserved an Honorable Mention, and by God if I gave out more than two he would've gotten one for sure. After all this talk about how he was well behind Tidus, Aeris and even Squall, turns out he may be above them. Another guy knocking at the door of the Noble Nine? Maybe... his performance puts him right behind Snake in the X-Sts. A Scorpion drop isn't exactly out of the question... but why would that happen?

Vivi Ornitier - After Auron's match, it became obvious that he would win his own. Beating DK by this much puts him where Auron was last year. Not too shabby. I commend him for breaking my perfect bracket, too.

Sonic the Hedgehog - Another one who fell just short of an Honorable Mention. He was expected to struggle to triple Terry, yet he quadruples him with ease. Sonic losing popularity? No way.

Miles "Tails" Prower - At long last, he wins a match. But is it because Joe's just a worthless jobber, or because Tails was vastly underestimated? I'd tend for the latter. After all, Tails was in Cloud's half-division in 2002, and if the theory about Mario pulling thousands of extra votes out of nowhere is true, then Tails obviously suffered in the X-Sts. This became even more apparent with Auron's thrashing of Scorpion. No matter what really happened, Tails avoided the 0-3 score, and showed that given the right opponent, Tails CAN win.

Dante - See Sonic. Going Commando just makes this one look even weirder.

Sora - I honestly didn't expect him to waste HK-47 like that. That was bigger than what Vice City did to KOTOR. Of course, another old SFF prospect pops up in Sora/Aeris. Did he lose significantly there? If so, he got a good chance at Hayabusa. While the ninja is still favored, this remains one match to watch.

Ryu Hayabusa - I almost considered this one as an upset pick. I was not confident that he would beat Jill. At all. I even had Jill winning for the longest time in my bracket. I'm not going to go into the re-do fiasco, as it was the entire subject of TWO stats topics. But Hayabusa coming through in the closest match of all time was a little shocking, even if the board was massively favoring him. I would've been happy to see him stay close enough that I'd have had no regrets picking him, and that's what I thought would happen. But he decided to win, and managed to do what Crono didn't, block a highly suspicious comeback. (Did CJayC comment on that one anyway?) Of course, there's always the funny thought that X-Box gave him the win. On GameFAQs, that'd be as expected as an N-Gage original getting a single vote.

Gordon Freeman - (I am so dead for this.) I am aware that GFNW. Really. But staying within 100 votes of Sam Fisher for the whole night is something I'd have never, EVER expected in my worst nightmare. He was already expected to get doubled, and Pandora Tomorrow would just be the icing on the cake. I'm going to suggest that without Pandora tomorrow, Gordon would have taken the lead at one point or another, which, while creating all sorts of natural disasters all around the globe, would have made such an outroar on the board I'd have just loved to see that. By the way, Gordon becomes the only character among those who took part in all three contests to never lead a match. The only other 0-3, CATS, led for a little bit against Cloud, remember?

The fight against obesity - Sponsored polls are becoming more and more subtle. First a lettuce pic, two days later a milk pic. Huzzah.

Halosniper2003 - Normally, picking Gordon Freeman labels you as some random incompetent. Doing well AND picking Gordon as champion labels you as a legend.

LOSERS

TURD OF THE ROUND: Tanner - Yes, we've had our fair share of disappointments, but the epitome of suckitude is right there. Seriously. 10% on Tails? 13% on Gordon Freeman? 30% on Ms. Pac-Man? 35% on Mr. Driller? What the hell is that kind of fodder? Yes, you read that right. Gordon Freeman would be expected to get 87% on Tanner. I'm not going to go any further with this. He sucks that damn much.

DISHONORABLE MENTION #1: Lara Croft - Not even 20% on Samus Aran. How the mighty have fallen... two years ago she was a washed-up **** way past her prime, but she could at least get 30% against Crono. Pa. The. Tic. For once being the most recognizable gaming figure in the world, let's just say her milkshake does NOT bring all the boys to the yard. Think of it, Duke's brought more of them. Against the defending champion at that.

DISHONORABLE MENTION #2: Pac-Man - If you're not Mario or Sonic, legends can stuff it on GameFAQs, it seems. Pac had a golden opportunity to rebuild his credibility, after being *****-slapped by SFF last year. Instead, he did even worse than he would have been projected to WITHOUT SFF. Ouch. Methinks power pellets are not strong enough for the ghosts Luigi hunts in his mansion. HEY! I found why these two were pitted together! They both hunt ghosts! OMG!

CATS - Surely his even more pathetic than usual performance has something to do with AYB fading out. There was already talk about that match being his swan's song... thankfully we got to get another good look at him as all your McHayabusa and Jill sandwich were belong to tomorrow. Good. For a contest staple like this, if you're going out, at least go out with a bang.

JC Denton - WHO THE HELL IS HE? Well, now I know. The guy that made Mario look good in a first round match. That's not the worst insult possible, but it comes close enough.

Tommy Vercetti - This is why the Losers' section is almost always shorter than the Winners'... I always say everything in that one. I talked about the possibility of GTA losing steam to explain Tummy's (not a typo, look at his pic!) bad showing, right? I don't want to be redundant or anything.

Protoman - Either he was SFFed to hell and back, or he just sucks this much. I'd tend to say the latter... I never put much stock in Protoman anyway. And for the record, related to the Prophet Challenge's QotD for his match, I think he would've been blown the **** out of him by every other 4-seed in the tournament as well.

Frog - Yes, it was probably Liquid doing much better than expected. Yet I get this uneasy feeling that Frog has turned into the Kingdom Hearts of this contest. Surprisingly close match against an opponent no one thought that much of, turns out to be the bracket underdog, faces an overperforming entry in the second round. This is all too familiar, and worth worrying about.

Crash Bandicoot - A big contender for a Dishonorable mention. Yet another fallen star... what a surprise. Seriously. If you're going to give up 70% to Master Chief, you might as well lose to Tanner. You'll be remembered that way, at least.

Laharl - Yes, Disgaea got big on this site. Yes, it topped the FAQ lists for a neverending period of time. But just go look at poll #1669, you'll see that being #1 doesn't mean jack squat. Allowing Vyse, VYSE! to pick up a 60% win puts his very presence in this contest in question. At best it's "Go away and never come back". And don't even bother responding Ulti, I'm not listening.

Squall Leonhart - Bad, bad showing for Squall. Unless Bomberman's 2003 performance was a fluke for no good reason. He should still get past Kirby and lose cruelly to Cloud, but by how much is the big question.

Jak - Millions of dollars of advertising, tons of copies sold... surely Ness couldn't resist that kind of firepower, even if this site is biased towards RPGs? Well... Ness won. With room to spare. And when Ness beats you... you seriously have to consider becoming a character in a fighting game featuring all the big stars from the company that made you, THEN come back.

Sephiroth - Okay, so he didn't do all that bad. It just... didn't feel like he did quite enough damage to Sly. And with a showdown against Cloud right around the corner, you can't allow yourself to look ANY weak.

Terry Bogard - If you're not Street Fighter, you won't get respect on GameFAQs. Period.

HK-47 - As I said, Sora blew him worse than VC over KOTOR. And Sora is nowhere near the strength of Vice City. Go directly to X-Sts hell, do not pass Gordon Freeman, do not collect 30000 votes.

Sam Fisher - With a new game under his belt, and having already shown some power before, allowing perennial cannon fodder to come so close is inexcusable. Him getting 34% on Magus did seem a little off to begin with... and I don't see why people would flock to a character they like less than the other just because it's Independence Day.

HitmanLight - The hopes of the contest community to finally see a zero bracket... going splat because of Gordon Freeman doing the only thing he can do properly. I'm not sure I want to believe this.

Smurf - For planning on chickening out of his bet, only to have it backfire as the account reaches level -4 a day too early. IN YOUR FACE!

Sephiroth was a loser of the round? I'm a bit surprised; he had the highest indivual total so far, and I don't think we know whether he did well or not against Sly Cooper.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Terry Bogard - If you're not Street Fighter, you won't get respect on GameFAQs. Period.

*hands you a gun and a flameshield*

I know somene who isn't going to like this... ^_~
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Why isn't Joe a loser of the round?
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Vote in my Pseudo SpC2K5 bracket: boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16053093
Feat: LttP, FF8, FF5, Super Metroid, Pac-Man, SotN, Doom

Because Joe is cool and therefore can't be a loser even when he gets his ass kicked. >.>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Slowflake, you rule. And hi there. I'll come by more often. I like this place when it's analizing instead of explaining.

I'm not even doing half-bad. Tails screwed me, but I was lucky to have Ryu in my bracket. What a nightmare of a match.


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"Yeah, there seems to be some sort of pink...my god...my god! IT ATE JOHNSON! ~BluesASC on Kirbyzilla

So where is Samus now or where will she be.

She is at least with Mario and Crono and possibly approaching Sephiroth/MegaMan levels. We shall see.

Good list Slowflake, but why is Jill not mentioned along with Ryu in the Stars of the Round Section? If she had started her comeback a couple minutes sooner she could have actually won.
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"..."--Gordon Freeman

I think Jill should've been a winner and Frog and Joe should've been the losers
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Um, Frog IS a loser.

Joe isn't a loser because he's where I expected him to be. Not so for Tails, most likely.

Jill is neither because a match with a newcomer isn't exactly good to gauge strength. My best guess is that she's around where she was last year.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

Frog IS in the losers list.

Jill should have been with the winners, and Joe should have been in the losers list.
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Vote in my Pseudo SpC2K5 bracket: boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=16053093
Feat: LttP, FF8, FF5, Super Metroid, Pac-Man, SotN, Doom

That was a good analysis, Slow. Good ones seem to be rare around here lately. Ulti does a good job and all but...charmander, no offense or anything, man, but your analyses have some major grammar issues.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

slowflake how can you contridict yourself.

you say it is no place to gauge but you put frog in as a loser. How is it his fault everyone just thought he was going to win big with no statistical proof?
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I am Sir Chris, and I approved of this message

nice.
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I must move on. I wanted to say I was sorry. Please forgive me, wherever you are.

CidGregor his first language isn't english.
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I am Sir Chris, and I approved of this message

Because those disappointing against underestimated competition historically wind up being resounding duds.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

oh, really? Sorry 'bout that.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

CidGregor his first language isn't english.

True
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

"I think you are all OVERestimating Lara, she hasn't had a good game for years...no wait she has never had a good game. She is losing popularity...a lot."

This just in from bizzaro world... No Samus/Link SFF, Lara simply dropped to CATS level without any possible reason.

Oh, and for those who continuously tell there is no way, no how that Seph and Mario could have recieved stat altering levels of SFF I would like to say... PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFT!
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

So I just watched Samus reel off about 25-30 straight votes, to finally break the 81% barrier, with no signs of letting up. Unreal. Can she take down Cloud/Sephiroth? I really doubt it, though a 47+% showing is looking a whole lot more plausible now...
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I'm a Czar! Whee!

CM how much SFF do you see in Link vs. Samus before this match
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

As I said, it contradicts itself with Squall, Ratchet and Crash doing poorly, or KOS-MOS doing exactly like expected.

We'll have to wait and see... maybe this big boost occurred since last year, though I'd see no reason for it to happen.

I got some more writing coming up soon...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

"I would call this Samus/Link SFF, but Ratchet, Squall*, Crash, KOS-MOS's performances imply that's not true"

Well, you already answered Squall yourself, Crash is on a decline, and KOS may simply suffer from her game losing some populaity.

You also forget that Ryu was also on the recieving end of potential Seph/Cloud SFF and that MC was behind the underperforming Sonic.

There are a lot of little things that add up to this, and I wouldn't call this 100% SFF off the bat, but there seems to be a lot there.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

But if there was SFF in Cloud Vs. Sephiroth then wouldn't Lara be even more popular than statistics say since she was in Seph's half of the bracket?


I'm not trying to start anything. Just pointing out how weird today's match is.
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"..."--Gordon Freeman

hmmm, its my Birthday, and yet, nobody is home... and Im bored... so I might as well jump into the discussion.
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SC2K4 Score: 29/30 | Place: 27th | Today: 7) Sam
Next: 2) Samus vs 15) Lara | Feeling: Easy Point

Well Samus and Lara were on opposites ends of the bracket and alot of things could happen between them, but I never thought that Samus would get above 75%

ps Samus is under 81%
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

also happy b-day
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

SC2K4 SECOND ROUND OVERVIEW

The matches will be done in the order of how I am anticipating them, from worst to best.

#16: Link vs. Ganondorf - WHAT. A. BORE. Thankfully it'll be out of the way quickly. The only point of interest will be to see how much SFF a hero can squeeze out of a much less popular antagonist.

#15: Vivi vs. Sephiroth - We know where Vivi stands now, this match having no purpose is overshadowed by SFF.

#14: Bowser vs. Mario - Like Link/Ganondorf, only less bad. Bowser and Mario are closer to each other than Link and Ganondorf, so it's going to be interesting to compare stuff... that's all there is to it though. This match sucks.

#13: Knuckles vs. Snake - We've seen this twice before. Why bother? Snake will get slightly over 60% again. Duh.

#12: Cloud vs. Vyse - Biggest blowout of the round right there. With no joke pics and no reason to do worse than expected, Cloud will have to show that he's able to keep last year's pace.

#11: Vercetti vs. Zero - Why did Vercetti underperform? GTA fading? Max Payne 2? I'm counting on this match to tell us more.

#10: Sonic vs. Ryu - Sonic set an infernal pace against Terry, but whether he can keep it against Ryu remains to be known.

#9: Ness vs. Auron - Two potential victims of SFF in 2003 encounter. We won't be able to draw much from this match, but it should eliminate a few theory combos right off the bat.

#8: Sam Fisher vs. Samus - Same as Ness/Auron. What was up with yesterday's match? What's up with today's?

#7: Kirby vs. Squall - Bomberman going down, then up again is the unknown here. What is his real strength? Considering Kirby and Bomberman have always been defeated by the same character, this will give us a chance to figure it out.

#6: Megaman vs. Tidus - This is Tidus' big chance to shine. With Ganondorf, Auron and Zero probably being dragged down due to SFF and the prospect of Magus doing so as well, can Tidus seize the occasion to finally make the top 10?

#5: Tails vs. Dante - Finally, a Tails loss not involving anomalies in the long run. We should know where he stands for real after this.

#4: Magus vs. Crono - At last, we get to the good matches. This one can go anywhere. SFF, Crono slaughters Magus. Nothing, Crono beats Magus by a few thousand votes. Reverse SFF, Magus pulls the upset and I go bananas.

#3: Sora vs. Hayabusa - It all depends on how much Sora lost to Aeris with SFF. If it's above 5 points, Sora can nab the upset. Otherwise the ninja moves on. Speaking of which, I hope there's a ninja pic this time.

#2: Frog vs. Master Chief - Liquid's near-win drove many to ask the question of whether Liquid could defeat Chief or not. With what MC did in the first round, I'm not that sure anymore.

#1: Yoshi vs. Luigi - I first expected this to be a borefest where Yoshi would win by a couple thousands, but Luigi's spectacular showing threw the match under the spotlight. Combined with Kefka's great results we have all the ingredients for... a match that won't be in question 5 minutes into the match. For who? That's what we don't know!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

"So where is Samus now or where will she be.

She is at least with Mario and Crono and possibly approaching Sephiroth/MegaMan levels. We shall see."

Except that Mario didn't reach full strength either of the last two years. First he was in a SFF match with Link then he goes against Seph who had SFF loses from facing Cloud. Mario and Crono are both being underestimated, and when Crono faces Link you will see what I mean.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

you mean if Crono beats Mario
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

"and when Crono faces Link you will see what I mean."

I too beleive Crono will lose to Link instead of Mario this year.
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SC2K4 Score: 30/31 | Place: 17th | Today: 2) Samus
Next: 1) Link vs 8) Ganondorf | Feeling: Easy Point

Yeah, and that's a big if. I said last year that if Crono wasn't able to beat Mario back then, he never would. I stand by it.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

"Joe isn't a loser because he's where I expected him to be."

Same here.

"CM how much SFF do you see in Link vs. Samus before this match"

I saw her at least topping the 40's, but I MM, Mario, and Crono doing the same. Really, every noble 9 member other than Seph, Cloud and Link should be raised 3-4%. Seph should be raised a tiny bit as well. I've never gone through the drawn out process of figuring the math, but I could see Seph going 50/50 with Link in 2k3. Really, all those noble nine members seem underrated, and they would take most of the bracket up with them. It saddens me to say, but all my arguing in favore of Magus over Snake or Sonic in a direct match may have been a mistake... and since he faces Crono this year we won't really know for sure.

"then wouldn't Lara be even more popular than statistics say since she was in Seph's half of the bracket?"

Unless her popularity has taken an actual dive. Besides, Seph's SFF loses are much less severe than Samus'. HOw much less would take some mental processingI'm just not up to right now, though.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

1) I wouldnt exactly call it a loss, both matches were arguable, and while Mario came on top, its not like Crono was 100% beat by Mario.

2) CT finishing second in Spring may put a lil more faith Crono's way.

3) Lower vote totals = less casuals, and I think casuals ever so slightly favour Mario.

With the combination of those three, dont be suprised if the plumber finally falls to the mute this year. Alrthough it will probably be another furious match where the board goes crazy no matter what.
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SC2K4 Score: 30/31 | Place: 17th | Today: 2) Samus
Next: 1) Link vs 8) Ganondorf | Feeling: Easy Point

"#11: Vercetti vs. Zero - Why did Vercetti underperform? GTA fading? Max Payne 2? I'm counting on this match to tell us more."

Don't foget, however, that Zero being behind Sonic could have effect him. He may in fact be stronger than anticipated.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Let's say I'm not exactly buying Sonic underperforming just yet.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

"you mean if Crono beats Mario"

No, I mean when Crono faces Link. It doesn't have to even be this year, though Crono should finally win it this time, but he will one day face down Link and on that day he will exceed expectations.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"Let's say I'm not exactly buying Sonic underperforming just yet."

There's no other real explanation for it. Yes, terry coul dhave lost a bit of ground, but let's be realistic... that performance from Sonic was beyond his abilities if 2k3 was his real strength. Yes, Sonic had a new game, and I don't dare discount the effect it may have had... but that's a highly unexpected jump forward with his new game AND the chance of terry losing some ground. I really think that Sonic didn't do as well as he should have in 2k3... then agian, due to placement, Ryu looks a tad weaker in 2k3 then he actually is as well.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

a match that won't be in question 5 minutes into the match

What do you mean by that?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I can bring up something else, too. Before we even knew Sephiroth was championship material, Sephiroth creamed Raziel far worse than Link would've been expected to in 2002.

These first round anomalies are just... there.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

What do you mean by that?

That it won't be a nailbiter from start to finish. I'm expecting one of them to take the lead and run with it.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

Sonic underperforming? maybe a bit from what I thought... but it doesnt matter, Im 100% sure hell lose to Samus anyway, and thats not cause Sonic "has lost ground"
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SC2K4 Score: 30/31 | Place: 17th | Today: 2) Samus
Next: 1) Link vs 8) Ganondorf | Feeling: Easy Point

Ok thanks.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Add me to the list of people who will be overly joyous if Samus won the contest.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 29/32 Next Pick: Link

I'd like her to win too, but I rather have Mario winning the contest and the year he'll probably do it is when Mario 128 comes out and if it's a good game
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Having Samus win would be interesting, but I don't think it's possible.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Hmm. Seems appropriate to do a review of the first round at this stage:

Match 1 - Link def. CATS

One of many matches that was in no doubt, leaving only two questions - would CATS be able to take an early lead, and would Link be able to get a high enough percentage so that people who live and die by extrapolated statistics can declare him a favourite. Link put up a decent score, not quite making 88%.

SC2K5 prospects for CATS: Should be a case of finding three other 16 seeds to go with him. However, a release of a Zero Wing sequel could see him go up to 15.

Next round prospects for Link: Easy win. Give me the two points now.

Match 2 - Ganondorf def. Alucard

Possibly the only match in the first division which was interesting, as we've got two criminally underseeded characters fighting to see who goes one and out. Ganondorf prevailed. It's all part of some plan anyway.

SC2K5 prospects for Alucard: He'll be back. Seeding could be interesting. Could really be anywhere between 5 and 12.

Next round prospects for Ganondorf: Pick some random way that Link kills him, put in all bold caps and add 'D on the end.

Match 3 - Yoshi def. Ryo Hazuki

Disappointing that Ryo couldn't do better. Being tripled up by Yoshi isn't something to be proud of. The result was again never in doubt, the margin would be all important to decide a pre-match favourite for the next round match.

SC2K5 prospects for Ryo: Can't see a return.

Next round prospects for Yoshi: Will probably go into the match as a slight favourite. I hope he doesn't win though.

Match 4 - Luigi def. Pac-Man

Luigi looked good here, doubling up a gaming legend. This wasn't really a difficult one to call, but a few people got it wrong.

SC2K5 prospects for Pac-Man: He really should come back again, but winning a match against anything but fodder looks increasingly unlikely.

Next round prospects for Luigi: He's got a chance. In a way the match is similar to Ganondorf-Alucard, only harder to call. The winner will lose to Link anyway.

Match 5 - Magus def. Luca Blight

80%+ here, next...

SC2K5 prospects for Luca: Slim and none

Next round prospects for Magus: Can't see it, the will to see MvC3 will be too strong.

Match 6 - Crono def. Conker

Was never going to be close as a contest. Crono did the job, but Conker put up 22%. Could bode well for the extrapolateds at the end when trying to filter the fodder.

SC2K5 prospects for Conker: You never know. Could sneak back in.

Next round prospects for Crono: A match with Mario seems inevitable. I don't claim to be a Chrono Trigger expert, fan, or among those who've played the game though, anything could happen.

Match 7 - Bowser def. Guybrush Threepwood

Don't know why Guybrush was even back in in the first place, let alone being a 10 seed. Bowser puts in an excellent display of beating fodder, but it will surely be to little avail.

SC2K5 prospects for Guybrush: Nope.

Next round prospects for Bowser: SFF'ed to oblivion

Match 8 - Mario def. JC Denton

Mario actually beats some fodder convincingly. The match was really just the first half of a warm up before the main event.

SC2K5 prospects for JC: Laughable

Next round prospects for Mario: Six Mechakoopas, next.

Matches 9-16 to follow soon...
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Jon Thomson - today: Samus, tomorrow: Link - 25/31
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Keep it up, jonthompson.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Round 1 review continued:

Match 9 - Mega Man def. Earthworm Jim

Was happy to see Jim make the contest, and somewhat surprised. Of course, he did get smashed, Mega Man having the thing sewn up before he could even launch the cow.

SC2K5 prospects for Jim: I'd have said none for this contest, and I'll say none for the next contest as well.

Next round prospects for Mega Man: Another comfortable win.

Match 10 - Tidus def. Shadow the Hedgehog

The first real controversial match of the tournament, decided by less than 2%. Close throughout with Tidus taking it. One of the few "coin toss" matches that I called correctly, I'm pleased to say.

SC2K5 prospects for Shadow: Yep, again could be seeded anywhere in the middle ground.

Next round prospects for Tidus: Start packing the bags for home now.

Match 11 - Tommy Vercetti def. Max Payne

The match that effectively killed my chances in the spread betting, as a combination of Max performing well and Tommy performing badly made this fairly close, while always being predictable. Of little interest to anyone here really.

SC2K5 prospects for Max: Could return for one last time, although maybe in the joke seeding category.

Next round prospects for Tommy: He's not the most unlikely character to make the last 16, but it doesn't look good.

Match 12 - Zero def. Protoman

A no-brain pick, Zero coming through well enough. Protoman might have done better against a different opponent for all we know.

SC2K5 prospects for Protoman: I doubt it. Always seemed somewhat of a joke nomination to me.

Next round prospects for Zero: Shold dispatch Tommy comfortably.

Match 13 - Frog def. Liquid Snake

Ooh, this one was fun. Decided by just a fraction, 93 votes being absolutely nothing. Frog overcame being the popular underdog to hold off LS's challenge in a battle of tournament newbies.

SC2K5 prospects for Liquid Snake: Good. I'll certainly nominate, against the right opponent a win is possible. But with a top 8 seeding seeming very unlikely, a fairly seeded contest could provide him with few right opponents to defeat.

Next round prospects for Frog: Should be one of the more exciting matches. I'm of the opinion that Master Chief would beat Liquid Snake, and the match just left the question of whether he'd beat Snake by more than Frog did. It'd be hard not to.

Match 14 - Master Chief def. Crash Bandicoot

Crash is rapidly heading from being a joke to being a parody of himself. MC wins with no trouble at all, somewhat surprisingly.

SC2K5 prospects for Crash: Would need a new game or lots of joke/pity nominations, time could be up.

Next round prospects for MC: In my eyes, the favourite. Although my eyes are ****ed.

Match 15 - Knuckles def. Kefka

The first upset by seeding, causing me to lose my second point after 12 obvious picks. Kefka lead early before Knuckles came back to coast to an easy victory.

SC2K5 prospects for Kefka: Will more likely than not return, if only for some more lettuce jokes.

Next round prospects for Knuckles: Snake will finish the job that Kefka should have done.

Match 16 - Solid Snake def. Tanner

There's fodder, there's Gordon Freeman-esque fodder, then there's Tanner. They needed to make a whole new category to classify the guy. Snake returns numbers that can only be described as sick.

SC2K5 prospects for Tanner: Mass Carriers seem more likely to make it than Tanner.

Next round prospects for Snake: Will beat Knuckles. It's tradition.

Matches 17-24 to follow.
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Jon Thomson - today: Samus, tomorrow: Link - 25/31
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Unbelievable. 10 perfects picked FREEMAN? Guess HalfLife's performance against Metroid Prime convinced a few that Freeman would increase for some reason. Oh well, We finish the first round with 15 perfects(Unless there's someone who managed to get 31 perfect but took Lara over Samus for some unfathomable reason.)
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

w00t! im rank 49 today
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The following statement is true.
The above statement is false.

We finish the first round with 15 perfects(Unless there's someone who managed to get 31 perfect but took Lara over Samus for some unfathomable reason.)

Don't doubt people.
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 29/32 Next Pick: Link

They just don't stop. I check the polls this morning to see Samus winning, 78-22%, and I was thinking..."cool"

Now I get back and she's looking to get 82 soon? Great, great performance by Samus. I'd call this a huge Lara fall mixed in with a nice-sized Samus increase. To me, she's just making her Final Four apperance known with this match, and that Cloud/Seph will have one hell of a time beating her.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sam vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sam - Vote: Sam (28/30)

Not bad, jonthompson. You've summarized the matches fairly well. Keep going. :)
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

This match is serving notice that Samus may indeed have suffered SFF against Link. In which case, she may beat Sonic into the ground, even with his increased performance. Still don't think she's on Seph or Cloud's level though.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Hyrule Division: Round 1 - Match 33 – (1)Link vs. (8)Ganondorf

Moltar’s Analysis

Link - Also known as Tingle version 5.74

Round 1 – vs. CATS - Link: 72,344 (87.83%) – CATS: 10,025 (12.17%)

Link takes out CATS much better than Cloud did last year. Did CATS get weaker, or is Link looking stronger than ever?

Ganondorf - All he wants to do his put his zoom zoom zoom in Zelda’s boom boom.

Round 1 – vs. Alucard – Ganon: 50,045 (57.16%) – Alucard: 37,512 (42.84%)

Ganondorf beats Alucard by a decent margin. Alucard is a tough opponent, and Ganon did good.

Well, we now enter Round 2, which is kind of boring, considering all the SFF matches going on, espicially in this division. First up, we have Link vs. Ganondorf. Sound familiar? It should if you’ve played almost any Zelda game. Whose always that boss waiting for you at the end of the game? It’s our good friend Ganondorf! And who always wins that final battle? Link!

I hate this match, Ganon was severely underseeded. He deserves a 4 or 5 seed, but nooo, he gets stuck going up against a beast like Link up in Round 2. Oh well, hope you get a better seed next year Ganon.

But I must admit, Link’s got his best match picture ever in this match.

Moltar’s Bracket Says:Link will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Link 65% - Ganondorf 35%



Ulti's Analysis

This is the first in a long line of matches that look good on paper, but are so easy to call that they never should have happened in the first place. What is it about Link getting the easy path every year?

Ulti's Bracket/Prediction - Link/Link with 69.27%


Cena’s Analysis

Oh now I get it, Ceej. You ****ed up the seeding to make matches that aren't exciting, but are interesting nonetheless. Link/Ganondorf, Mario/Bowser, Crono/Magus. Should I give him the humanitarian award now, or shove it somewhere later? Ok, offensive or not, Ceej completely messed with what could have been one hell of a great tournament. But instead, he chooses to go Gimmick on our gaming asses and give us the Gamespot version.

Ok, I was just excited because I used the coolest font to divide my Round 1 and Round 2 predictions. I'm so kewl. teehee.

So it's Link vs Ganondorf in a match we're supposed to take seriously. Ganondorf could have made the Elite 8, honestly, but with this match, he won't come anywhere close. Link is Link. He won the contest in 2002, and was 3rd last year. Ganondorf almost beat Magus last year, and everybody likes the bad guy, so the Great Ganon should do pretty good against his arch nemesis. The green tunic wearing elf boy will take this without question, but I'm guessing Ganon won't be too much of a pushover.

Cena’s Vote: Link

Cena’s Prediction: Link with 67% (Ganon getting less than this, precentage wise, just seems so very, very wrong)

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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

I'm finally gonna say what I've wanted to chance saying for awhile...

Samus WILL get 45% or better against Cloud/Sephiroth.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Round 1 review continued:

Match 17 - Cloud def. Duke Nukem

The easiest match for me to vote on. My favourite character of all time against the guy that's the main character in the most popular game by the most popular company who make my least popular genre of games. The Milk factor meant Cloud could barely make 80%.

SC2K5 prospects for Duke: With the release of Forever, he could get a proper seeding again. I shaln't hold my breath...

Next round prospects for Cloud: Possibly the easiest opponent he could get. Two points.

Match 18 - Vyse def. Laharl

Third point down for me, in a match that few people could really care about. The winner loses to Cloud, it's that simple. Over two thirds got it right, and Vyse got a comfortable 60-40 win.

SC2K5 prospects for Laharl: Needed a win to stand a chance of a return. Not impossible but unlikely.

Next round prospects for Vyse: Slightly better than Gordon Freeman's chances of winning a match.

Match 19 - Kirby def. Kain

Two characters I really couldn't care about. Kirby rates very high on my useless character list, Kain doesn't rate on any list of mine as I haven't a clue who he is. Kirby wins, next.

SC2K5 prospects for Kain: Can't see it

Next round prospects for Kirby: I've got Squall winning, but Kirby isn't written off.

Match 20 - Squall def. Bomberman

Squall fails to get the double up on a completely non-descript character who's done nothing of note in ages. Might make the Kirby match interesting, but only in a way that the Luigi-Yoshi match is interesting, as it's a match to see who will do the j-o-b to Cloud.

SC2K5 prospects for Bomberman: Might make it back. Wouldn't be a big loss if he didn't.

Next round prospects for Squall: A good chance of a win, certainly could have had a tougher fight.

Match 21 - Ness def. Jak

My bracket reaches for the self-destruct button, as Ness, famous for being in Super Smash Brothers Melee and some game that lost to Doom beat Jak. Basically a coin flip, Ness never looked in trouble and won by 10%.

SC2K5 prospects for Jak: He lost to Ness. He doesn't deserve to return, but could.

Next round prospects for Ness: Auron will wipe the floor.

Match 22 - Auron def. Scorpion

How the mighty have fallen. A former last 8 character with a 14 seed and another first round exit. Prevents the double up, but Auron's performance sent a few people round the bend with talk of how this makes someone else the favourite in some match, relying on two years' worth of supposedly transitive stats, nullfied by Mario>Cloud>Link>Mario. Oh wait, there's got to be some sort of factor that makes that invalid.

SC2K5 prospects for Scorpion: Dan Forden wouldn't allow Scorpion not to return. TOASTY!

Next round prospects for Auron: Should beat Ness by more than he beat Scorpion.

Match 23 - Vivi def. Donkey Kong

Black Mage Factor = Instant Win. Busts 65% of brackets, including mine, but again it's just 1 point lost. Vivi wins by more than Ness did. Donkey Kong really has to go back to the drawing board and ask a lot of questions. Like how he manages to breathe.

SC2K5 prospects for Donkey Kong: Much like Pac-Man or Crash. Could be like that piece of dog muck on your shoe that won't go away.

Next round prospects: Does reverse SFF exist?

Match 24 - Sephiroth def. Sly Cooper

Who is Sly Cooper again? My eventual winner coasts home with a fat 86%.

SC2K5 prospects for Sly: Unlikely

Next round prospects for Sephiroth: Another easy win

Matches 25-32 to follow...
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Jon Thomson - today: Samus, tomorrow: Link - 25/31
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Well, this match is certainly confusing. Between Samus/Lara, Luigi/Pac Man, and Dante/Ratchet it looks like there was Link/Samus SFF. But Ryu/KOS-MOS, Squally/Bomberman, and MC/Crash either went as expected or the supposed stronger character underperformed. I'd love to believe in Link/Samus SFF, but it just doesn't look too convincing right now. And Chichiri, feel free to bite my head off if you can come up with something.
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Current Pick: Samus; Current Vote: Samus; Points: 30/31
We lost the last zero because of GFNW?

Match 25 - Sonic the Hedgehog def. Terry Bogard

Slightly more surprising than Terry's return was Sonic getting a 1 seed. Unsurprising was Terry getting quadrupled up. A decent performance by Sonic, with a likely last 8 match against Samus, every fraction of a percent will likely influence things.

SC2K5 prospects for Terry: I've seen worse shouts.

Next round prospects for Sonic: Ryu won't be easy. Should pull through, but not without a struggle.

Match 26 - Ryu def. KOS-MOS

Ryu wins against some character from one of these RPG things that I don't play. Only the second seedwise upset, although how that happened, I don't know.

SC2K5 prospects for KOS-MOS: From 8 seed to no return? Unlikely, but should return with a more realistic seeding.

Next round prospects for Ryu: I'd love to see Ryu win. It's not beyond him, although I can't see it. A win would propel Ryu to that elusive #10 spot in some ranking list where there's 9 people and then other levels from peon to fodder to Tanner.

Match 27 - Tails def. Viewtiful Joe

First sign of the apocalypse. Unhappy.

SC2K5 prospects for Joe: Almost certain return, probably with a top 8 seed again. A PS2 port and sequel will secure that.

Next round prospects for Tails: Could pick a tougher fight than Dante. Although I hope Dante does a Snake-Tanner esque job (see Kirby comments for my opinion on Tails, replacing Tails for Kirby as appropriate).

Match 28 - Dante def. Ratchet

Another obvious win, 80% making Dante look pretty strong. Ratchet joins the likes of Jak and Conker in the new-school fodder pile.

SC2K5 prospects for Ratchet: We do need some fodder.

Next round prospects for Dante: Couldn't pick an easier match. I hope.

Match 29 - Sora def. HK-47

Sora fails to double up a somewhat cultish character. Not good.

SC2K5 prospects for HK-47: Can't see a return myself

Next round prospects for Sora: Depends on SFF, and whether Ryu and Jill were making each other look strong or weak. I've got Sora for the win though, so it doesn't look good.

Match 30 - Ryu Hayabusa def. Jill Valentine

Most fun match so far. Lots of lead changes, lots of calling the match over (both ways), and Jill coming within 10 minutes of making the comeback. Being the popular favourite and having TJF couldn't help, because ninjas=pirates>all.

SC2K5 prospects for Jill: Surely a return with a better seeding.

Next round prospects for Ryu: Ought to beat Sora really, although not a formality.

Match 31 - Sam Fisher def. Gordon Freeman

How this match busted the one remaining zero bracket and 10 of 25 perfects is beyond me. How over a third of all people have failed to cotton onto GFNW is also beyond me. Sam gets a first win, only to get pummelled next round.

SC2K5 prospects for Gordon: A contest without Gordon is like a pub without beer. The likes of Gordon and CATS make the contest fun.

Next round prospects for Sam: Plasma beamed.

Match 32 - Samus def. Lara Croft.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. Lara going from a one seed to <20% in the first round in two years. That may say more about Ceej's initial seedings than Lara's, er, qualities though. Still, at least the movie had two good things about it. The margin of this impending victory is already making Samus fans a bit overexcited.

SC2K5 prospects for Lara: Either a joke seeding or out.

Next round prospects for Samus: Another easy win.

That's it so far. See you in a couple of weeks for round 2 :-)
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Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

But Ryu/KOS-MOS, Squally/Bomberman, and MC/Crash either went as expected or the supposed stronger character underperformed.

Master Chief performed quite a good deal better than expected.
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As I said befopre, Ryu and Bomberman were on Seph's half of the bracket and MC was behind the underperforming Sonic.
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jonthompson: Nice summaries but I have one main disagreeing point.

"SC2K5 prospects for Protoman: I doubt it. Always seemed somewhat of a joke nomination to me."

Those who nominate Protoman know how his slick,nothing too tough, nothing bothers him, shadowy, mysterious, semi-hero demeanor is nothing of a joke. Zero's just more popular b/c he is actually a playable character. In fact, its a wonder that Protoman can get seeded as high as he is as perhaps the only character who is non-playable nor a major villian throughout an otherwise Mega Man, Zero, X, and Forte dominated series.

Master Chief performed quite a good deal better than expected.

That's the problem. If Crash was affected by Link/Samus SFF, he should have done better and MC should have struggled to hit 66%, not get over 70%.

As I said befopre, Ryu and Bomberman were on Seph's half of the bracket and MC was behind the underperforming Sonic.

So half of last year's stats are invalidated because of Cloud/Seph SFF (which couldn't possibly be for more than 1% anyway) and Sonic underperformed against Cloud for some reason? With all due respect, I don't buy it.
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Current Pick: Samus; Current Vote: Samus; Points: 30/31
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

In further defense of Protoman, if it weren't for an obviously large SFF, he along with Jill, who is horrendously underseeded, would have the best performances of 13 seeds and down.

or he just sucks this much. I'd tend to say the latter...

I tend to think he suffered SFF and I was expecting him to do such before this match even began. I'm still confident in my assumption that Protoman could deal damage to a good portion of this bracket, far more than the standings will show him capable.

I noticed that Mega Man was missing from you overview of round 1. What's that about? =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Samus WILL get 45% or better against Cloud/Sephiroth.

I can definitely see Mega Man, Samus, Crono, and possibly Mario all breaking over 40% on these three this year. Their continuous domination is something I cannot see anymore.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Terry Bogard - If you're not Street Fighter, you won't get respect on GameFAQs. Period.

These people on GameFAQs don't know just how cool Terry Bogard is, but hopefully he could become high level fodder next year. He'll get some respect... just a matter of time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Oh and Samus is kicking some ass right now. No doubt whatsoever that she'll be taking this division after a performance like this.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

*sees negative comments about Laharl*

Stop breathing, plz.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
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Well, Ulti, you do have to admit that Laharl isn't that strong, contest-wise. I think that Disgaea could do some damage in a game contest, though.
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Was Lara supposed to do worse than Isaac?
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Ho hum.

Geez, why are most of you calling Link/Samus SFF after seeing today's results? All the other opponents who were supposed to have been affected, weren't. Samus increased from 2003 and Lara fell a LOT, I mean, is there any reason why Lara should have stayed the same from last year? She probably won't even be coming back next year.

Samus on the other hand, is looking great. She won't deserve much credit though, since she has one of the easiest paths to the Elite 8 ever. Today, it looks like she'll be able to stomp Sonic with 55%, possibly even 60% if things continue looking good for her. Samus should then bow out respectfully bow out to Cloud/Seph with between 40-45%. This means Samus should rank up there this year, possibly passing up Mario and Crono to take the 5 spot.

Another thing. Even though we disagree with the seeding, they haven't been all that bad this year. Only what, 3 seeding upsets in Round 1? Not bad. I'm suspecting bracket voting at an all time high this year. The drop of casual voters means the bracket voters are making more of an impact. And no, I'm not saying every person who made a bracket voted according to it. It looks like a good amount are though. Notice how the bracket favorite is always doing well. Liquid, Kefka, DK, Joe, Jill...
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Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Nope. Samus wasn't suppose to get close to this percentage.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Rank the following three in power, from strongest to weakest: Earthworm Jim, Duke Nukem, Lara Croft.





I think it'd be Lara, Duke, then EWJ. If Lara can get stomped THIS bad by Samus, when Cloud couldn't do this to Duke Milk'em (even with joke-votes), this could spell trouble. I also think Samus is in more contention to win the title this year than Mega Man, too, with a performance like this.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

I also think Samus is in more contention to win the title this year than Mega Man, too, with a performance like this.

I don't. You look at Earthworm Jim and there isn't a spot for him to sit at because we don't know how strong he is; I could see him being as far up as Tails in the 2003 standings. Obviously, this isn't Lara all going down but I'm willing to give a mixture of the two here.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I can't really rank those three myself. Simply because you have one with no idea of his strength, Lara looks like she took a fall, and Duke more or less looks like he's still the same.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We also don't know how far Lara has fallen, nor do we know how many votes Duke got due to joke-votes. Just from assumptions, that's my order.

I say this with love and support for Earthworm Jim and Mega Man both in my sig.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

In my opinion, I'd think Duke could take Lara. I'd put Jim below Lara, but hey, it's a bit early to call.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Round 1 Review

Well we had an interesting round. We had anywhere from an unexpected blowouts to unexpected close matches. Also 3 of the 17 new characters have made it to the second round, but 2 of them actually defeated a character that’s been to the contest before. We also had a few unexpected upsets too. Well I’m going to break each division up so I can do a better review.

Well first up we have the Hyrule Division. First off we begin with joke character CATS losing horribly to Link. Unlike his matches with Ryu and Cloud, CATS never took the lead. Link also did better then Cloud did showing that he does have a chance of winning this contest. Next up we had the DRS Ganondorf vs. Alucard. Many of us were disappointed because we thought that Luigi vs. Pac-Man should’ve been the DRS. But at the beginning of the match it was very close until the day vote kicked in, but to our surprised Alucard still did better then what we thought. This match was the closest in the Hyrule Division. Yoshi easily tripled Ryo like Dante did last year. What some users thought that this match should’ve been the DRS were surprised when Luigi doubled Pac-Man showing that there was almost no SFF in the Crono vs. Kefka match. Looks like Kefka is going to get destroyed by Knuckles. Magus easily defeated the cult character, Luca easily quadrupling him. Crono easily beat the foul mouth squirrel, but he just barley missed the 78% mark. Bowser easily destroyed the very overseeded Guybrush. Finally Mario has made a non-Nintendo fodder, look like a fodder. Maybe his anti-votes are gone.

Next we have the 20XX Division. We start off with Mega Man taking out a character who’s been going down hill. Next we have our first close match, Tidus vs. Shadow. Tidus may have had a lead as big as 2000, but in the end he only won with 1500 votes. It looks like Vercetti is going down hill after his match with Max. With the new GTA game coming out soon it looks like he should be going down. We now have our first SFF match of the year and Zero easily took out Protoman. Better luck next year Protoman since it looks like your going to get hit by double SFF and the only other character that has suffered from that was Pikachu in 2003 and Donkey Kong in 2002. With Frog being so over hyped many people thought that this match wouldn’t be close, but it was. It was even closer then what some people who thought this would be close. But in the end Frog takes it with 97 votes making this the third closest match ever at the time. It looks like Xbox anti-votes are dying down when Master Chief beat Crash 70/30. It looks like Crash will continue his downward spiral. Now we had something unexpected from Luigi vs. Pac-Man it showed that the Crono vs. Kefka SFF didn’t exist, but in this match it showed that it did. Even at the beginning we had Kefka leading for a while and he kept it close once Knuckles caught up, but lucky for the morning and day vote went towards Knuckles or else this could’ve been closer. We end this division with the biggest blowout in this contest and in all of the character contests with Solid Snake destroying Tanner and joins the 90% club with Mega Man, Link and The Legend of Zelda.

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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

With the Midgar Division starting up we had our funny picture when Duke was a milk box. After many confessions on people who were going to vote for Cloud, but voted for Duke because of the picture we can see why Cloud didn’t perform as high as he should’ve, but it does look good for him to have a second win in a row. Next we had out first battle of the weaklings, but Vyse easily took it 60/40. It looks like Raziel = Kain since Kirby beat Kain as much as he would’ve beat Raziel. Next up we had Bomberman doing much better then expected against Squall. Two things that could’ve made Squall do worse, either Bomberman went back to his 2002 numbers or Kingdom Hearts is fading. We should know by next match. Next we had the second battle of the weaklings, but Ness was able to beat Jak soundly and I think Jak should get the Gordon Freeman award. I mean come on losing to a character who’s weaker then Freeman. Now we had Auron performing much better against Scorpion then we thought making Tails look good for his match, but some of it has to be explain from Scorpion going down or else Auron would be stronger then Sonic. Here’s one of the two matches where the newbie defeated a vet. Even though it wasn’t one of Donkey Kong’s heart-attack matches it was close, but the Black Mage moves on. Finally we had Sephiroth, another character who can win the contest put up decent numbers against Sly, but I think he could’ve do better then that.

Finally we have the Chaos Division. We start off with Sonic doing much better against Terry then we though making people who thought Ryu would upset him quiet. Also this match made Sonic look good to take the division, but that was before Samus’ match. Next this is where the x-st was the closest on getting the right percent. Ryu performed right where everyone thought. Next we had the probably the biggest upset on the board, which was Tails beating Joe. After two years of losing in the first round he finally wins. As usual we have Dante over performing his first round match this time it was Ratchet. HK-47 another board favorite which made the average user think that his match with Sora would be close, but Sora did fail to double him so it looks like he might be out next round. Now here’s what’s probably consider the match of the round. That match had everything from glitches to comebacks from both characters. If Jill had started her comeback earlier she could’ve won, but this match has also became the closest match ever. Now Sam was suppose to almost double Gordon, but at the beginning of the poll Gordon kept very close at finished with 45%. It looks like Gordon took another jump in popularity or Sam fell in popularity or Gordon never gets less then 40% against a character. And for the final match of the round we have Samus destroying Lara. Not even Cloud could get that much against Lara. We could have a new champion, but it’s probably Lara falling in popularity.

Well that’s all the matches we had in the first round. Some matches may have surprised us and some matches were duds, but it was a fun round. Now it looks like Round 2 may be more fun after this round with a few unpredictable matches. Though I don’t think Round 2 would be as exciting as Round 1.

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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

I could see him being as far up as Tails in the 2003 standings

Quit dreaming, HM. Be optismic, but don't be ridiculous. Earthworm Jim hasn't done anything in years. There's no way he's that high. He's bonafide fodder, no question.

Dare I say it...2002 level Samus + Metroid Prime = Today's results and a #4 ranking?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Quit dreaming, HM. Be optismic, but don't be ridiculous. Earthworm Jim hasn't done anything in years. There's no way he's that high. He's bonafide fodder, no question.

Yes, because Duke Nukem and Vyse have been pumping out title after title for years now. Makes sense. As high as Tails is would be the max he could go and it would be 41st. That's fodder, no matter how you cut it and being even around Vyse isn't hard to believe at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Dare I say it...2002 level Samus + Metroid Prime = Today's results and a #4 ranking?

I'd like to see a ranking even higher than that. Frankly, she deserves to be the Nintendo mascot. NOT Mario.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Dammit, I had to hurry up and read everything I missed before the topic closed. Everyone is in review mode, so these posts are getting drawn out. I have a few specific points to make but I wonder if they will get read.... Well..... PLEASE READ ME!!!!!!

1. 2003 SFF Matches
Why are people saying Lara fell or there was SFF with Link/Samus? I said it before, doesn't it dawn on you guys how much Samus could have improved BY HERSELF? That should be a MUCH bigger factor than Lara falling off and Link/Samus SFF. It's obvious.

Why are people talking about Cloud/Seph SFF? With both Cloud AND Sephiroth both having HUGE fan bases AND being from the SAME GAME, there's no way to prove that there was significant SFF. This is different when comparing it to Mario/Bowser, Link/Mario, or Link/Samus where there is clearly a gap between those characters. Cloud and Sephiroth are neck and neck in popularity. If anything, Cloud could have suffered SFF against Sephiroth! I can see people who like both but personally like Sephiroth over Cloud just as much as people voting for the hero over the villain. I think it all cancels out and the results from that match are legit.

2. GOING OUT WITH DIGNITY

I'm looking at characters like Max Payne, Lara Croft, Crash, and others. They are from good games but obviously their popularity is declining. But I don't think it's right to bring characters back to be joke characters. I'd rather see OBVIOUS joke characters instead of characters past their prime. Let characters like these at least leave with dignity and drop them from the contest peacefully!

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Frankly, she deserves to be the Nintendo mascot. NOT Mario.

Hah...

...no.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yes, because Duke Nukem and Vyse have been pumping out title after title for years now.

Vyse is a bad example because he's still a recent character and there was the SoA re-release in January, and he's cult which gives him an excuse to perform poorly.

However, even with Duke, it's still a lot more recent than anything Earthworm Jim has done. He's missed almost two generations worth of gaming now. Think about where Duke could've been during his prime. It would've been much higher than where he is now. Lara looks to be on the way out as well. Before last year, would you have imagined either one of them dropping off the face of the earth to be 15 and 16 seed fodder?

Goodness, and you're the one who's saying Scorpion is dropping because he's gone 2 years without a game, and yet you believe Jim can stay at the cutoff point for fodder despite going YEARS without a game? Please be consistent.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Vyse is a bad example because he's still a recent character and there was the SoA re-release in January, and he's cult which gives him an excuse to perform poorly.

I wouldn't expect him to perform greatly, but despite the re-release of Skies of Arcadia on the GameCube his last game was back on the Dreamcast. You really don't need games constantly pumping out to be in the higher fodder level.

However, even with Duke, it's still a lot more recent than anything Earthworm Jim has done. He's missed almost two generations worth of gaming now.

What? Jim has only missed out on this generation of gaming. If you don't recall he was on the Nintendo 64 for his last game.

Think about where Duke could've been during his prime. It would've been much higher than where he is now.

I say the exact same thing about Jim. He was insanely popular back in the day, and like most of the old "legends" he's fallen down to a bad level.

Lara looks to be on the way out as well. Before last year, would you have imagined either one of them dropping off the face of the earth to be 15 and 16 seed fodder?

Looking at last year? Of course. Lara Croft and Duke Nukem aren't exactly the kind of characters everyone loves nowadays. Back in the day though, they were loved by nearly everyone. Like I said though, Jim can fall under this same thing.

Goodness, and you're the one who's saying Scorpion is dropping because he's gone 2 years without a game, and yet you believe Jim can stay at the cutoff point for fodder despite going YEARS without a game? Please be consistent.

Well, you must have misinterpreted what I had meant when I said "dropping". More or less I was referring to going back to his 2002 levels. It wouldn't even be a 1% drop, but it would still be going down to put Auron at a more reasonable level.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Except Tails doesn't belong in 41st. I mean, look at what Auron did.

Now, if you think not on Tails' true level, but on his projected one... semantics suck, don't they?

I agree with whoever said Samus had more of a shot at the title than Megaman. We could be looking at a very comfortable 4th place should she keep up the pace.

And I didn't talk about Megaman for a very simple reason. Jim can be either cannon fodder, or someone on par with, say, Vyse, to avoid semantic suckiness.

Plus, for the record, it's not most people that believe in Link/Samus SFF. Just Chichiri, and maybe one or two people. This is ridiculously hard to swallow, and even if Samus got 47% against Cloud or Sephiroth I wouldn't believe it if no other signs showed up (i.e. Squall killing Kirby like he was Crono). Mark my words... in 2003 nobody could've gotten 40% on any of the big three. NOBODY.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 029/031 - Matches: 29/31 - Rank: 00196/33221 - Today: Samus - Tomorrow: Link

Earthworm Jim's last was EARLY Nintendo 64 days. That's why I said nearly two generations. I would hesitate to call him a legend, unless you're one of those who considers Boogerman or Bad Mr. Frosty to be legends.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Except Tails doesn't belong in 41st. I mean, look at what Auron did.

Very true. I was talking more around that level in 2003 as opposed to being equal to Tails, that'd just be ridiculous.

Now, if you think not on Tails' true level, but on his projected one... semantics suck, don't they?

Basically, I'll just say around the 18-20%-ish on Link area or the 41st area for 2003 X-sts.

I agree with whoever said Samus had more of a shot at the title than Megaman. We could be looking at a very comfortable 4th place should she keep up the pace.

I still have to disagree there, but I can't base it off anything until after Mega Man vs. Tidus to get a better idea.

And I didn't talk about Megaman for a very simple reason. Jim can be either cannon fodder, or someone on par with, say, Vyse, to avoid semantic suckiness.

Fair enough.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Earthworm Jim's last was EARLY Nintendo 64 days. That's why I said nearly two generations. I would hesitate to call him a legend, unless you're one of those who considers Boogerman or Bad Mr. Frosty to be legends.

I put the "legends" in quotes in the sense that none of them were true legendary characters such as Mario, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong, etc. I will say that Jim was very big back in the days of the SNES so much like other fallen characters he could rank around that level and it wouldn't be anything really surprising.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And Earthworm Jim on the N64 was more toward the last years of the N64, not the early ones.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Aye, I just noticed I said Lara Croft and Crash were from good games.... Let me rephrase that. They were ONCE popular.... But I don't see these characters making good jokes. It's more or less people not caring anymore. People CARE about CATS and GFNW if only for humor. Tanner may be infamous as well. Anyways......

WHAT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IN ROUND 2
Hyrule Division:

Link/Ganon: Not looking at this much. I like both characters and would rather see what they would do against OTHERS. I nailed the Tidus/Ganon/Magus trio, but it was fun to see how they turned out. CJayC completely wasted Ganon and Magus this year. They don't deserve this.

Luigi/Yoshi: I'm still confident in Yoshi. Luigi may be the original green machine, but it's the little things for Yoshi that I think will propel him. Who do YOU like to use better in SSBM? Who do YOU like to use more in Super Mario Kart, SMK64, and SMKDD? Who had the better solo game? (Yoshi's Story did not exist....) Nonetheless I could see it going either way.

Crono/Magus: I absolutely HATE this match. What a way to waste Magus. And even if he DOES make this a close match, neither Crono or Magus deserve to have a match of this calibur in the second round. All this match has done is drawn is Crono negativity as people from all over are pointing out how superior a character Magus is to Crono (which is true). But Crono needs ALL the support he can get for Mario/Crono III. This was the LAST thing he needed....

Mario/Bowser: I'm actually very interested in this match. With all the talk about what Serv-Bot, Morrigan, and Shadow did against Mario, I'm interested to see what Bowser will do. Forget Mario/DK, it's apparent that DK doesn't have much of a true fanbase. And I like Bowser FAR better than Mario. Screw my bracket, if my vote decided the winner of this match, you better believe I'd give it to Bowser. I'm hoping that Bowser can fight through the potential SFF and put a serious dent in Mario (not for Mario/Crono, but just to have Bowser have a good showing in the contest).
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Earthworm Jim is a "legend" in the sense that Duke Nukem is, when you put it that way. He's had more time to fall, and he's probably fallen quite a ways further.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Earthworm Jim is a "legend" in the sense that Duke Nukem is, when you put it that way. He's had more time to fall, and he's probably fallen quite a ways further.

What? A couple of years apart since their last game(s)? Honestly, him ranking that high isn't farfetched at all. Ranking around Vyse is perfect acceptable, but we don't quite an idea of that yet.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I agree with whoever said Samus had more of a shot at the title than Megaman. We could be looking at a very comfortable 4th place should she keep up the pace.

I still have to disagree there, but I can't base it off anything until after Mega Man vs. Tidus to get a better idea.

Which is why I put 5th in my little write-up before. I was thinking about putting 4th, but I wanted to see Mega/Tidus first...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

What? 82%? *kicks extrapolateds*

My Oracle thanks you alot. Stupid X-pos.

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It's perfectly acceptable for someone who thinks Mega Man is going to win the contest, of course. Tidus will prove that wrong though.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I still don't know why you find that hard to imagine, but how that's hard to anyone is beyond me.

I can't wait until Mega Man stops Tidus from getting 40%. It'll be a great thing to see.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I just don't think Earthworm Jim was ever really all that popular. And again, it's easy for you to believe because it makes Mega Man winning the contest realistic.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I just don't think Earthworm Jim was ever really all that popular.

You'd be very wrong then. Just ask Chichiri or anyone else for that matter.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm not saying Jim was unpopular. I know he was big back in the day, but he was never really a "legend" or an "icon," per se.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Leonhart, don't waste your breath. HM has a history and a tendency to skew facts in his favor in order to make himself believe that his opinions are indeed more valid. He won't be very confident when Mega Man gets his ass handed to him by Link and he loses that bet to me.

HM has a history and a tendency to skew facts in his favor in order to make himself believe that his opinions are indeed more valid.

What facts have I "skewed" in order to favor myself? If I find something that will favor my part of the argument I'll be sure to use it, but you won't see me making up something or changing numbers in order to get the upperhand.

Jim could very well be fodder with barely being above someone likes CATS or he could be at the level of Vyse. Which one am I going to push for? Obviously the more Vyse level, but there's no way for either Leonheart, or myself, to be wrong in this argument... not until a certain round 2 match at least.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Skewing facts would be, "Mega Man is a shoe in... Anyone who gets 98% on Earthworm Jim isn't gonna have a problem. Just wait until that sweet 89% on Tidus."

HM doesn't do that.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The way you go on about your claims sound as if its actual factual proof and not speculation. It's not anything surprising. You just have Nintendo bias, simple as that and it's fine. So you'll always put forth speculative assumptions that favor them and argue to the point where it is almost implied that they are fact. That's your problem. You never or rarely choose to see things from both sides.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. The way you go on about your claims sound as if its actual factual proof and not speculation.

What? I never went into this argument thinking Jim was at the level of Vyse and that it would be "fact". By all means, show me something that I tried to pass of as factual evidence but was actually nothing more than speculation.

It's not anything surprising. You just have Nintendo bias, simple as that and it's fine.

Everyone has a bias toward something, and my bias' are obviously apparent because I don't hesitate to show them.

So you'll always put forth speculative assumptions that favor them and argue to the point where it is almost implied that they are fact.

Please, show me something I have said that was nothing more than speculation but I turned around and called it a fact.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The only problem I see with Jim being that strong is that all of our new low-level entry fodder characters have been as weak as CATS. Matter of fact, the only new entrants this year that are apparently worth anything are Frog, Liquid Snake, Ryu Hayabusa, and Viewtiful Joe. Also, in every character contest, every 16 seed has performed as such except for Servbot.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, if you ask me, Jim should have never been a #16 seed to begin with. Sure, he shouldn't be anything high but I think he could win a round with the right opponent.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Even Gordon Freeman could win with the right opponent.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hell, anyone but Tanner could win given the right opponent. (Most likely Tanner).
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Current Pick: Samus; Current Vote: Samus; Points: 30/31
Circle of Death: Pac Man/Luigi/Kefka/Crono/Knuckles/Yoshi...

Well, I meant without having an exceptionally high seed. I don't think you'd need to go way, way down the list in order to find someone Jim could beat.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Jim's situation for winning a round would be that of Vyse or Ness: Being massively overseeded and facing a character on the level of CATS. Whether or not Jim should have been a 16 seed doesn't mean much. Most of them perform at that level. If he's strong enough, he should be able to get a little better of a seed than that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I don't really go by how strong Jim is based on what seed he got. Obviously the seeding has been crappy for this contest, and not by the people who win but how strong characters have seeds like 8 and 9.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think I'd need to go all the way down to Pac-Man before I'd find somebody I think Jim could beat.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I wouldn't have to hard a time putting Jim over a lot of the bottom half 2003 people.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Hmm... You know HM, I've said this before and I'll say it again. You have a tendency to either misinterpret or misunderstand what someone is trying to say at times. Read carefully.

"What? I never went into this argument thinking Jim was at the level of Vyse and that it would be "fact". By all means, show me something that I tried to pass of as factual evidence but was actually nothing more than speculation."

Unfortunately I don't have the actual documents saved but last contest if you can recall, there was a certain HM who seemed pretty sure and completely convinced that there was no way WW would lose to SC and you ate your words. The manner you went on about WW's "assured" victory didn't indicate a speculative comment. I'm pretty sure with some more thought, I could dig up many more instances where you explicitly state that 'A' will beat 'B' with no alternate possibilities otherwise.

"Everyone has a bias toward something, and my bias' are obviously apparent because I don't hesitate to show them."

I'd like to think that I'm not biased. Or if I am, to an extremely minor extent. But as of this moment, I hold no bias and like seeing both sides of an argument.

"Please, show me something I have said that was nothing more than speculation but I turned around and called it a fact."

See again with the misinterpretation. I didn't say you call your opinions fact. I said the manner in which you go on about defending your beliefs make it appear as if its uncontested and undisputed fact.

That's because it's beneficial to your argument. I'd hesitate to take Jim over Duke, Conker, Fox, Max Payne, or even Crash. Oh yeah, and notice how many of our low-level fodder characters are from platformers.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Matter of fact, the only new entrants this year that are apparently worth anything are Frog, Liquid Snake, Ryu Hayabusa, and Viewtiful Joe.

What about Vivi?
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Crash.

It felt like I was forgetting someone. Thanks for reminding me.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Personally I think Samus could be closer to Sephiroth than Megaman. But thats just me.

But I also want to see Samus win.

And now that I think about it, Earthworm Jim's closest comparison is probably the 16-bit version of Crash Bandicoot.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Unfortunately I don't have the actual documents saved but last contest if you can recall, there was a certain HM who seemed pretty sure and completely convinced that there was no way WW would lose to SC and you ate your words.

Of course. Much in the same way I'd be absolutely confident that Cloud would beat Mario in a match if they ever faced off again. Is it fact? No. Do I pass it off as fact? No. I will show a supreme confidence and even say it cannot happen countless times but everyone does that at times.

The manner you went on about WW's "assured" victory didn't indicate a speculative comment. I'm pretty sure with some more thought, I could dig up many more instances where you explicitly state that 'A' will beat 'B' with no alternate possibilities otherwise.

That's because I never believed StarCraft would have been able to beat a Zelda game, even if it was Wind Waker. Now, much like I said before, I was as confident as I would have been in Cloud vs. Mario. Saying I saw no possible way for StarCraft to win wasn't saying my part of the argument was "fact" because people who do that just tend to get annoying.

During the arguments that preceded that match I saw what the opposition had to say. It wasn't anything that looked like evidence that it would beat a Zelda game. Heck, if it were for that late comeback The Wind Waker would have won. It had around a 2000 vote lead at 10:00 PM Central time, if I remember correctly. That was definitely something to feel safe about at the time.

I'd like to think that I'm not biased.

If anything, I've noticed a bigger Cloud/Sephiroth/Final Fantasy 7 bias from you based on previous arguments.

See again with the misinterpretation. I didn't say you call your opinions fact. I said the manner in which you go on about defending your beliefs make it appear as if its uncontested and undisputed fact.

Then you'd be talking about my confidence. Most people who argue with me know I have a very high confidence level. Now, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong in an argument where I know the other person has beaten me. This has happened not even a month ago with Chichiri.

It's like someone telling me 2 + 2 = 4, but then I'm so stubborn to think it'd equal 5. Once I've been proven wrong I'll admit so.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Round 2 Preview

Well this shouldn’t even be called Round 2 more like Round SFF with all the SFF matches that were going to have. Before the contest this round seemed easy to predict, but after round 1 we have a few interesting matches ahead of us, but like round 1 there are bounds to be surprises in the bracket. Well I guess I should get started.

We start off with the Hyrule Division where we start of with Link’s 2-3 SFF matches. He should easily beat Ganondorf, but we should know by how much since Magus got 35% against him and Magus = Ganondorf. Next we have an interesting match of Yoshi vs. Luigi for third favorite character, but after Knuckles vs. Kefka this match might be deiced from SFF weird. Now we have Magus vs. Crono. There was some talk of reverse SFF in matches, but if it was true then it would happen on this match and might give Sephiroth some more hope of beating Cloud. Finally we have Mario vs. Bowser. This match does look interesting on the outside, but it’ll probably end about the same way it did for Mario vs. Donkey Kong except that Bowser will probably do better.

Next we have the 20XX Division. First up it looks like the hated Tidus will put up some respectable numbers against him, but it probably make a few people think that Solid Snake will beat Mega Man. Then we’ll have Zero blowing away the weaken Vercetti, but it probably won’t be as much as Protoman. Then we’ll have Master Chief vs. Frog. This match could go anywhere from a 62% win for Frog to a 47% win for Master Chief so it looks like were going to have a very good match. And for the third year in a row we have Solid Snake vs. Knuckles. The match is never close, but it seems that Solid Snake is beating Knuckles more and more. Maybe people have seen last years matches and know that Knuckles has no chance of winning and just vote for Solid Snake so they can be in the majority. We could see Snake doubling him.

In the Midgar Division we have Cloud who’ll probably give the biggest non-SFF blowout in this round to probably the second weakest character to make it to the second round (the first one is Ness). Then we’ll see if Bomberman actually went up for no reason or if Squall went down and if he went down this match is going to look like Alucard vs. Kirby, but Squall should take this one. If Auron was stronger this would probably be the biggest blowout of the round, but Ness is going to bet beaten like he did when he was against Bowser. Finally we have another SFF match where Sephiroth is most likely to blow away the Black Mage to the next FF.

Finally we have the Chaos Division. The underseeded Ryu may give Sonic a run for his money, but Sonic should still win. To get revenge from Capcom’s lost last round Dante is going to have an easy time beating Tails, but he probably won’t double him. Now we may have another interesting match it depends on how much SFF Sora got in Aeris vs. Sora, but failing to double HK-47 shows that he didn’t get much. It looks like Ryu H. should win, but it won’t be a blowout either. Lastly we have Sam vs. Samus, weird that both characters have the 3 letters that are the same. Anyways with Sam underperforming against Gordon and Samus overperforming against Lara, Samus should take this match easily.

Well that’s all the matches in the second round even though some of the match can get interesting this round and probably round 3 (except for Mario vs. Crono III) probably won’t be as much fun as the first, but to the regular person some of these matches might be interesting, but we all know that they will be blowouts.

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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Most people who argue with me know I have a very high confidence level. Now, I'm more than happy to be proven wrong in an argument where I know the other person has beaten me.

Heh, same here. That's why Tuesday is a very big day. Can't wait for it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Can't wait for it.

Can't wait either. ;) Mega Man vs. Tidus - Me vs. You. Fun, fun.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mega Man may win the battle, but I shall win the war.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

HM, do you still think that Tidus can't break 40%?
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I've never thought he could have broken 40%. At the very least I can see Mega Man hitting his old 2002 level, where he'd get over 60% on Tidus.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Ah, and yet you forget about Final Fantasy X-2. Eh, even so, Mega Man returning to 2002 levels while Tidus does nothing is his only hope for holding him under 40%.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well, I don't expect him to stop at the 2002 levels but yeah... ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I can't wait until Mega Man stops Tidus from getting 40%. It'll be a great thing to see.

You might want to wear a parka, cause I've heard hell's getting pretty cold : P

jk, but zelda nearly broke 40% on MegaMan, and Tidus hasn't shown that he's gone down, so holding Tidus under 40 would be quite a feat.
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Either way Megaman > Tidus
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Milla Info - Tollaws killed: 13,000+ | PD's dropped: 8
Irista Info - Hildetorrs killed: 34

Well, it's like Heroic Mario with Ryu against Sonic. Who's going to win isn't the issue. It's the principle of the thing, and seeing a character you like do as well as possible while proving the doubters wrong. I say this from experience because HM and I will be switching roles from that match. Now I'm the one saying that the loser won't break 40%.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Either way Megaman > Tidus

That is a given and is kinda irrelevant to their argument. They are arguing over how MUCH Megaman>Tidus because HM wants a massive blowout.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

therealmnm said, on why Yoshi would beat Luigi:

Who do YOU like to use better in SSBM? Who do YOU like to use more in Super Mario Kart, SMK64, and SMKDD?

100% honestly, the answer to all of those is Luigi. In SSBM, I am a MASTER of Luigi's super-death uppercut thing. In the Mario Karts, I love to be Luigi, just so I can whale on Mario the whole time yelling "Give-a me my own-a game!" (This was before he actually got it, obviously.)

And a lot of people, when considering this match, are going to think of Yoshi's Story, and be disgusted by it, and vote Luigi. Of course many will do the same for Luigi's Mansion, but despite how unsuccessful it was, it was miles ahead of Yoshi's Story.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

are going to think of Yoshi's Story,

Or Yoshi's Island.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't know I'm a Mario fan and I like Yoshi better then Luigi

How about you HM?
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

Same here.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yoshi's Island as in Mario World 2? Actually I thought that one was pretty okay.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Yoshi's Island was an incredible game and thankfully it has seen a port on the GBA.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I prefer Luigi myself. Only Kirby ranks higher in the Nintendo hierarchy for me.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Does anybody think that Samus would fall below 82%
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Summer 2004 Contest 26/31 Samus vs. Lara

And back to Yoshi/Luigi.....I should just stop commenting on this match until Saturday. But I will say this final thing.

Yoshi will beat Luigi.
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Samus vs. Lara - Bracket: Samus - Vote: Samus (29/31)

Yoshi's Island is better than 90% of Nintendo's titles.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

In my opinion, of course.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I just completed the latest chapter in La Pucelle by the way. Decent game, but it's hard to keep your focus on playing it.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Luigi WILL defeat Yoshi. Mark it down. Anybody care to make a sig bet?
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SC2K4 Winner: Link defeats Sephiroth
SC2K4 Score: 30/30 Next Tough Pick: Luigi over Yoshi

Jeez, I'm surprised the floodgates haven't opened on this thing yet.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Your opinion is a valid one. Yoshi's Island was really a pretty good game. I don't know if I'd put it top 10% material, but top 15% definitely.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Yeah goku, I will make a sig bet.
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31/31 points in sc2004
tomorrow's pick: Samus--->perfect first round

No, I'm just going to laugh at everyone after that cowardly [kitty] gets his ass handed to him.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I agree with that opinion. =)

Yoshi's Island was great. One of my favorite SNES titles. That is what I think of when I think of Yoshi, not Yoshi's Story. Yoshi's Story was crap, in my opinion...

So what does everyone expect Samus to end with at this point? And will her percentage go down much, if at all, during the night?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

*takes 500*

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I don't have an ego.
I'm way too cool for that.

Go Bowser! Embarass Mario!
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I'm safe until the next toss-up match, which is Bowser vs. Guybrush. ~SuperLuigiBros
SC2K4 Score: 29/32 Next Pick: Link

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Yoshi's Island >>>> j00
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++