22,000 posts and counting in this series. Damn, what a ride.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
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http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
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Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
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!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Post 1!!!!!! Nah I think too slow.


Talk about the strength gained by Sora?

Possible strength, maybe?

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"If I had a kid, I'd name him Isosceles!" ~ Kramer
Pick: Dante vs. Ratchet. Vote: Ratchet. 22/27/192

TAG!
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Fujin is the greatest character ever conceived by man.

Not really, I didn't expect all that much out of bug-HK-47.
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Current Pick: Sora; Current Vote: Sora; Points: 27/28
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

I think Sora beating Ryu/Jill would be cool. Anyone agree?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I have Sora beating Ryu.

(No, I refuse to say Jill; she won't win.)

But that was my match I kept changing...... hardest for me tto decide in the enitre tournament that match was.


But so far, as it seems, the impossible 4-some to predict of Sora, HK, Ryu, and Jill is pretty easy......


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"If I had a kid, I'd name him Isosceles!" ~ Kramer
Pick: Dante vs. Ratchet. Vote: Ratchet. 22/27/192

No, I think Jill beating Ryu and then totally smashing Sora would be pretty awesome though. Don't get your hopes up, yes, there are a lot of ... children ... who like Kingdom Hearts, but (hopefully, or GameFAQs sucks) not enough to beat an established series like Resident Evil...or Ninja Gaiden, in the case that Ryu wins.

Zombies and/or Ninjas >>>> fighting the 'darkness' (when it gets dark outside, I cry to myself sometime - Sora)

If only they could team up. Resident Ninja. The best of two worlds, Zombies and Ninjas.
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tag
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"Oh my God, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican!" - Bart Simpson

A note on predicting tag matches:

One would figure there would be marginally decreasing returns for tag teams, as compared to the extrapolated standings. For instance, if two guys are expected to get roughly 24% each on Link, then it makes no sense for them combined to get more than 48% on a team with Link in it. (this is assuming that there is no way a tag team partner can weaken a character--which is almost certainly true) Logically speaking, a team cannot be greater than the sum of its parts--and on occassion might be far, far less.

So I think a tag team tourney would be all about diverse fanbases. Bring in characters with strong and diverst support bases, and you have an uber team, because that is the team that can come closest to additive popularity, rather than a popularity function that is less than the sum of its parts.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

and we're back
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Summer 2004 Contest 24/28 Sora vs. HK-47

"How could you guys honestly think missing 3 points would make you lose the tournament... "

If losing means not winning prizes then dropping 3 points is about as big of a hit as you can take before you are done for. That's half your mistakes right there, assuming we don't do significantly better than the previous contests.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

As I said, a tag-team tourney would be a combined fanbase tourney and nothing more.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Oh, and while we often discuss SFF in this contest, a tag team contest would be simply dominated by discussion of Diverse Fanbase Factor (DFF).

For instance, a team of Tidus+Shadow might very well defeat a team of Cloud+Sephiroth. (Cloud and Sephiroth are basically even in strength, and wouldn't have SFF in their match...but they still clearly share large portions of their fanbases)
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Well I have to hope that a 6 point under perfect bracket can win given the right tie breaker.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"Cloud and Sephiroth are basically even in strength, and wouldn't have SFF in their match"

Proof?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Characters like Mario, Crono and Snake didn't drop
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Summer 2004 Contest 24/28 Sora vs. HK-47

"Well I have to hope that a 6 point under perfect bracket can win given the right tie breaker."

6 under is still competitive. But losing 3 from backing the wrong pony is bad. That means even a single mistake in round 3 puts you at your threshold and may veyr well eliminate you from prizes... assuming that you only picked Jill and Mario and lost those 7 points you're fairly good... but if you picked Joe as well you may very well be done for.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

If you ask me, a tag team contest would absolutely ****ing suck. We don't need any massive changes like that to have a good contest. Hell even in our current contest, we're still seeing around 80,000 votes per match. The only improvement we need is a better bracket. Link/Ganon, Mario/Bowser, and the like seem interesting to those who don't know about our stats, but they make for a bad bracket.

Personally, I say we go back to 2002's level of randomness. Make Mario a 1 seed for no good reason. Make Pac Man a 3 seed for no good reason. Have one division filled with a bunch of losers, but with someone like Zero as the 4 or 5 seed on one side, and someone like Shadow the Hedgehog as the 2 seed on the other. You don't need tag teams, threesomes, and 47 Square/Nintendo characters to make a good bracket. You just need to make a bracket free of any and all past influence. Yes, we all know that Cloud would likely rip Tidus a new one in a poll. Who cares? Have Tidus be the 1 seed, Auron be the 2, and Cloud be the 3. Blame the fact that FFX was mroe recent than FF7 or something. It'll be great XD
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I am perfect right now. My 6 point udner will most likely be my absolutely brilliant pick of Ryu (SF) over Sonic.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

So I think a tag team tourney would be all about diverse fanbases. Bring in characters with strong and diverst support bases, and you have an uber team, because that is the team that can come closest to additive popularity, rather than a popularity function that is less than the sum of its parts.

That is interesting but I don't think it is always as reliable as Chichiri's method which involves looking at the total vote count for matches invloving the tag-team characters and basing the winner off that. Pretty much see his method in the last topic, he explains it much better then I ever could.

For instance, a team of Tidus+Shadow might very well defeat a team of Cloud+Sephiroth. (Cloud and Sephiroth are basically even in strength, and wouldn't have SFF in their match...but they still clearly share large portions of their fanbases)

That would be great, seeing Cloud + Seph lose to Tidus and Shadow. I'd be ecstatic. The team that would never lose is Cloud/Link.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

"Characters like Mario, Crono and Snake didn't drop"

Again, where is the PROOF? This is specualtion based only on the simplest and also least descriptive information. I've already provided believable reason why they wouldn't drop and you can't dispute what I've brough to the table without using even more inconclussive evidence. Frankly, the 2k3 numbers are far from perfect, and they are likely riddled with almost as much SFF as this year's bracket will be.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

really tell me where a SFF with 2 noble 9 members meant anything other then .5%
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Summer 2004 Contest 24/28 Sora vs. HK-47

"I've already provided believable reason why they wouldn't drop "

And should have increased... though I forgot to say it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Have Tidus be the 1 seed, Auron be the 2, and Cloud be the 3. Blame the fact that FFX was mroe recent than FF7 or something. It'll be great XD

I agree. I think I'll make a list of all the SC competitors and AIM roll up a full bracket like we do on Rolling Night. I can't wait to see what comes up.

Gordon Freeman as a 1 seed against Kefka? Mario vs. Crono in Round 1? Alucard up against Aeris to complete the hat trick?
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Ulti there is no point to randomizing the seeds other then hurting the casual bracket-makers. We still have the extrapolateds to predict matches, and other than possible changed bracket-voting there is no reason to think different seeds would affect the outcome of matches.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Don't forget Tanner as the one seed against CATS.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Though most Heavy weight SFF matches happen latter rounds and I don't see any characters going up or down
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Summer 2004 Contest 24/28 Sora vs. HK-47

Have one division filled with a bunch of losers, but with someone like Zero as the 4 or 5 seed on one side, and someone like Shadow the Hedgehog as the 2 seed on the other.

Tanner vs. Gordon Freeman:

A true test of GFNW!!! ^_~

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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"really tell me where a SFF with 2 noble 9 members meant anything other then .5%"

Bring me solid proof it didn't? First, you are assuming Link/Mario didn't because Mario was almost unchanged in relation to Link... you forget to account for any possible Cloud/Seph SFF. Then you assume Link is unchanged so Samus's performance looks right. You assume far too much without a control sample and frankly Auron, Tails, Ness, and Kefka are all counter to you previous beliefs. They show flaws, and they show that the entire system may very well be flawed for assuming there is no SFF when you have nothing to compare it to other than another SFF riddled bracket.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And so it begins..
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ryu takes the lead.

I'm surprised, actually. Jill should be winning... :o

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

God ****ing damn at the current results O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

4 perfects missed yesterday.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Proof?

Uh...the fact that Cloud vs. Sephiroth went just about *exactly* as expected using a myriad of previous matches?

This isn't an Auron vs. Cloud type thing--we basically know for certain there was no SFF there, because everything works out similarly according to multiple matches.

This is pretty much an open and shut thing. I hammered people over the head with the idea that there would be no SFF in Cloud vs. Sephiroth, and that Cloud would almost certainly win with 51%-53%, before the match took place.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Okay, here's a thought for a 32 SC2K3 based bracket:

DIVISION ONE - EIGHT TEAMS

Cloud Strife / Knuckles

VS

Fodder (below Isaac/Duke level)

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Kirby / Felix (or SC2K4 replacement at similar level)

VS

Bomberman / Fox

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Tidus / Shadow

VS

Frog / Liquid Snake

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Mario / Auron

VS

Fodder

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DIVISION 2

Mega Man / Dante

VS

Fodder

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Master Chief / Scorpion

VS

Lara Croft / Raziel

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Magus / Squall

VS

Fodder

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Snake / Bowser

VS

Fodder

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DIVISION THREE

Link / Yoshi

VS

Fodder

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Jill Valentine / Donkey Kong

VS

Sam Fisher / Ramza

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Ganondorf / Zero

VS

Yuna / Sora

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Crono / Zelda

VS

Fodder

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DIVISION FOUR

Sephiroth / Alucard

VS

Fodder

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Tommy Vercetti / Luigi

VS

KOS-MOS / Tails

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Sonic / Aeris

VS

Isaac / Duke

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Samus / Ryu

VS

Fodder

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Personally, I love it.


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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

Wow... That 68% that I saw was making me disappointed. I have Ryu Hayabusa winning, but I want a good match. <3
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

One mistake. Frog/Liquid Snake is where Kirby/Felix should be. And vice versa.

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

Four perfects fall; the lone zero bracket is still alive.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

I think the poll is glitched. It went back to Sora/HK-47 and keeps switching.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Damnit, Ryu! You're scaring me half to death...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Ryu is dropping pretty fast...
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Oh, and for the most part, with Frog and L Snake as the only two add-ins (because I had a rough value of where they'd land), that'd be based on 2K3 values. If characters (namely Jill Valentine and others) perform drastically different in 2K4, obviously, the bracket assignments change.

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

Everyone remember, the first 5 minutes =/= the end. Wait a half hour or so before drawing conclusions...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ooh, poll is glitching out.

What's the matta?

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

I guess my work will be ignored anyway given the excitement of the new poll >.>

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The fact that Frog isn't voiced by Cam Clarke should be worth an automatic one-hundred vote penalty, dammit..

Something is wrong with the homepage. Look under Top 10 requests and you should see some coding.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Like I said the board heavily favors Ryu H. let's see what's up in 30 min.
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Jill is making a comeback. But can it last?

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

"This isn't an Auron vs. Cloud type thing--we basically know for certain there was no SFF there"

Yeah, I heard that said a lot... not, I know what message you are trying to deliver, but read that very closely one more time. It says, when taken out of context, we knew there was no SFF between Auron and Cloud... and I have heard many, many a time one person or another say exactly that. Maybe you yourself had once said we know that there is no SFF between Auron and Cloud. The same of Crono/Kefka, right? We KNEW that the SFF was minimal at best. Both prooved that "we" knew jack ****, didn't they? You are comparing the results of 2k3 based on the results of 2k2. 2k2 was flawed, so is 2k3. Bring me a contest without any SFF matches ever and then we will have a control bracket to see if we actually know anything at all.

Fact of the matter is we don't know much at all. We know what has happened in the past, and many of those results are skewed. We don't have a vantage point from which to look at the subject that is completely untainted. If you're such a stat-head you must have some semblance of a scientist in you, and any scientist worth his hat isn't going to declare something as fact when he hasn't got any sort of untainted data to work with. People who do make mistakes like believing the world is flat or that Auron faced no SFF against Cloud.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Ryu Hayabusa 52.03% 256
Jill Valentine 47.97% 236
TOTAL VOTES 492

This match is far from over.
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Did you know A LONG LONG time ago in the days of the mayans people used to live for more than 500 years? Some, even, FOR ETERNITY-Jax1298

And now if you refresh you seem to get the new poll half the time.

Ryu hovering around 52%.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

"I guess my work will be ignored anyway given the excitement of the new poll >.>"

I won't ignore it, I'll just tell you that you're working on the flawed assumption that Frog/LS weren't underseeded.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

10 bote difference.
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BIGPUN999 is all man, even in the bedroom *Tee Hee*
There you go you snot nosed punk!

Their matching each other vote for vote though, and their only 20 apart. A Percentage isn't very helpful until it settles down.
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Did you know A LONG LONG time ago in the days of the mayans people used to live for more than 500 years? Some, even, FOR ETERNITY-Jax1298

We can't get a full understanding of how this will go until the homepage is fixed...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Five vote difference now...
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Did you know A LONG LONG time ago in the days of the mayans people used to live for more than 500 years? Some, even, FOR ETERNITY-Jax1298

Just came back from checking...it's a 1 vote difference when I typed this.

Jill is probably tied or leading now. ^^

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

yay

Ryu Hayabusa 49.93% 379
Jill Valentine 50.07% 380
TOTAL VOTES 759

The board vote is dying
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Sorry char, that was really short lived.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Jill winning...****.

Yeah, I heard that said a lot... not, I know what message you are trying to deliver, but read that very closely one more time

I worded that awkwardly, but you knew what I was trying to say. No Auron vs. Tails SFF was a less robust idea that no Cloud vs. Sephiroth SFF, because we only went by one thing (comparing Tails 2K2 to Tails 2K3). With Cloud vs. Sephiroth, everything makes sense from a myriad of ways (Cloud vs. Link/Sonic, Sephiroth vs. Mario/Megaman, etc.)

If you're such a stat-head you must have some semblance of a scientist in you, and any scientist worth his hat isn't going to declare something as fact when he hasn't got any sort of untainted data to work with.

Which is exactly why I'm a lot more reluctant to accept things than most around here. Especially you, which it makes pretty funny that you were the one to say this ;)

SFF would typically be the complicating factor, and thus your null hypothesis would be no SFF. Though you couldn't rule it out easily either.

However, again--Cloud vs. Sephiroth was so close to what you would expect. Any SFF that was present would never be detectable, and it is extremely unlikely that the result was altered much.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I wish Ceej would fix the damn homepage...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

A winner is me
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

5 points. Truly an insurmountable lead...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

points=votes -__-;
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"With Cloud vs. Sephiroth, everything makes sense from a myriad of ways (Cloud vs. Link/Sonic, Sephiroth vs. Mario/Megaman, etc.)"

But it still makes many, many assumtions based on 2k2 numbers... oh, adn the numbers for that same year. That's a really good control data pool you've got going on there. I'm convinced that it's scientifically accurate now...

*rolls eyes*
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

But it still makes many, many assumtions based on 2k2 numbers... oh, adn the numbers for that same year. That's a really good control data pool you've got going on there. I'm convinced that it's scientifically accurate now...

*rolls eyes*

You've gotta be kidding me.

Condescending to pretty clear data is pointless, you know.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

Let's just be honest with eachother here, CN, we both know that the result being as expected isn't proof at all. It's as likely that the one match happening as expected is a coincidence as any given matching going horribly wrong would be.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Jill has it the board vote is gone and she should take off with the lead in about a hour
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

This ridiculous. He needs to fixing the ****ing homepage T_T.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

So... Now that Ryu and Jill are virtually dead even...

If the poll is neck-and-neck all day, will the winner have a tough time against Sora?
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Hmph.

nope this match is a 3-pointer
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

"pretty clear data is pointless,"

Pretty clear data based one two things...

1, itself
2, 2k2 stats, which look horribly screwed up when compared to 2k3... and yet they are the basis of comparisson.

Wow, I'm really convinced that your evidence is pretty clear... pretty clearly a load of crap that has yet to be proven without doubt. And like any good member of the jury all I need is reasonable doubt and it's time to throw your case out.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

my bracket would love if the winner has a tough time against sora to the point of losing to him
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It's as likely that the one match happening as expected is a coincidence as any given matching going horribly wrong would be.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say. Auron vs. Tails=1 thing. Cloud vs. Sephiroth=many things.

The expectation was ROBUST. That means something.

You can't say Cloud vs. Sephiroth SFF 100% did not exist in signficant quantities, but you can say that it's self-defeating to talk as if it did, and that it's pretty much a waste of time to even bother thinking about what ramifications there might be if it occurred.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

And my bracket would of loved it if HK-47 pulled off a magical mystical upset. >.<
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Did you know A LONG LONG time ago in the days of the mayans people used to live for more than 500 years? Some, even, FOR ETERNITY-Jax1298

Link vs. CATS @ 25 Minutes = ~2300
Current Poll @ 25 minutes = ~ 1185

....
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

For instance, if two guys are expected to get roughly 24% each on Link, then it makes no sense for them combined to get more than 48% on a team with Link in it.

Not necessarily. If you were to have two characters from completely different fanbases, they could very well achieve more than 48%. You can't simply add the people who vote Ganondorf over Link, and the people who vote Alucard over Link to come up with the maximum that tag team could achieve, because it leaves out the group who would vote Link over either one individually, but would vote for the team over Link. I know that I would vote for 2 characters I like over 1 character I like more and 1 I don't care about, so I assume there would at least be some people like this.

I do agree that most of the time they would have a lower percentage though, since the fanbases of the two characters will likely overlap a good amount.
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SC2K4 Score: 27/29 (Hayabusa, Yoshi). About to be owned by ____ in the guru contest (Unless Magus and Sephiroth win).

"and that it's pretty much a waste of time to even bother thinking about what ramifications there might be if it occurred."

Except that the results themselves bring reason to believe that it may have happened.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Not necessarily. If you were to have two characters from completely different fanbases, they could very well achieve more than 48%

No, logically, they wouldn't.

The more diverse the fanbase, the closer they could get to their upper bound. For fanbases with perfectly negative correlation, you would expect the upper bound. For fanbases with anything other than perfectly negative correlation, you would expect less than the upper bound.
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Data for all matches - http://sc2k4.com/displaytable.php
SC2K4.com/Frog

I'm so happy, almost 30 min in and Jill is in the lead and shows no signs of losing it right now
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

"I'm so happy, almost 30 min in and Jill is in the lead and shows no signs of losing it right now"

You do realize Kefka had a more impressive lead at this point, right?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

didn't you said the same about Tails
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

You know something? I just realized how much the screwed up homepage helps Jill. Lower vote totals help her correct? Well, most people who visit won't refresh the homepage which means that Jill has an advantage.... Ugh!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I don't know why anyone would be happy at this point. The vote totals are maybe a little higher than half of what they normally are. Doesn't that annoy anyone =/?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ryu is trying something now, I hope he manage to take the lead from Jill.
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 26/28

I really don't buy into pic factor too much, but something tells me that if Ryu had a pic from NES Ninja Gaiden cut scene, or even his 8-bit sprite, he'd be doing significantly better.

Again, I think it's a recognizability issue.
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boo Jill (throws Jill unto deep hate list)
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I dont know what is going on, my world has turned upside down.
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

"didn't you said the same about Tails"

Nope, either your memory is failing you or you need to work on your reading comprehension. I said I hoped that Tails would pull a Kefka and that he might still be able to pull a Kefka (the second was mostly out of hope) but never did I say that his lead was less impressive than Kefka's at any given corresponding point in time... in fact Tails' lead was always better than Kefka's, Jill's as of yet is not.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And just when I wrote this Jill gained back her 40+ lead.
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 26/28

You know something? I just realized how much the screwed up homepage helps Jill. Lower vote totals help her correct? Well, most people who visit won't refresh the homepage which means that Jill has an advantage.... Ugh!

Actually I would give that advantage to Ryu H. since it's the board members that refresh the page

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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

GOD DAMN CEEJ! FIX YOUR HOMEPAGE!
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

4 perfects had HK and dropped off the leader board. Sora had 75% of brackets.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

"Doesn't that annoy anyone =/?"

Pisses me off.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

lower vote totals for now at least, is the page errors I assume, but unless Jill fans are more persistent/lucky, I don't know how much that really sways things
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No, logically, they wouldn't.

The more diverse the fanbase, the closer they could get to their upper bound. For fanbases with perfectly negative correlation, you would expect the upper bound. For fanbases with anything other than perfectly negative correlation, you would expect less than the upper bound.

That would be correct, except that it doesn't take into account the people who are swayed by the team, and not just one of the characters.

As I mentioned later in my post, that upper bound only takes into account those who are voting for Ganondorf over Link, and those who are voting Alucard over Link. It doesn't take into account those who would vote Link in both of those matches, but would vote Alucard and Ganondorf together over Link.
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SC2K4 Score: 27/29 (Hayabusa, Yoshi). About to be owned by ____ in the guru contest (Unless Magus and Sephiroth win).

It is reasonable to assume that a lot of the votes being missed right now would be for Ryu. The lower the vote totals, the better Jill is...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I said I hoped that Tails would pull a Kefka

Same thing
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Pisses me off.

You're my favorite user for the next 10 minutes. <3

This would give Jill the advantage in the long run, methinks. And that is pissing me off because low vote totals are good for her. And I have Ryu Hayabusa in my bracket.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

where does the lower vote totals better for Jill thing come into play? is it because of her consistent vote totals?
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If we will see the Sora VS Hk-47 poll in two more hours, then CjayC sould redo the poll, and the winner will just get a better lead.
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 26/28

"Same thing"

Do you have a brain, or do you just choose not to use it sometimes?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Exactly. We are missing about 1000 votes right now and if they are bracket votes (which is likely), they'd mostly be for Ryu probably.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

This would give Jill the advantage in the long run, methinks.

Yes, but now Ryu should have the advantage since most of the board votes were for Ryu and we make sure that we vote
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

well, unless ryu was just board hype
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
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What about the 1000 or so people who use gamefaqs late for other message boards and probably have Ryu but just don't care enough to keep refreshing?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Do you have a brain, or do you just choose not to use it sometimes?

Look it's 3 am and I'm tired I don't give a crap on what I say right now
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

As I mentioned later in my post, that upper bound only takes into account those who are voting for Ganondorf over Link, and those who are voting Alucard over Link. It doesn't take into account those who would vote Link in both of those matches, but would vote Alucard and Ganondorf together over Link

Generally speaking, that wouldn't happen--you wouldn't see things being greater than the sum of their parts. It's a similar scenario to a portfolio of assets--you're not going to increase returns by combining assets (though for assets, you can reduce risk).

Obviously, this is different than assets, because of the human taste/opinion/preference nature of it. So the rules aren't hard and fast. Just logical.

And an extremely general rule like sum of fanbases is the upper bound on a tag team's popularity will probably hold for almost all situations. It's not a very useful rule, frankly--it's just an extremely loose constraint.
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It is still a little more than half of what it should be (~ 3300 to 1700).
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"since most of the board votes were for Ryu"

Do you have any evidence? The random 100 or so people around here are only a small portion of the early voters and given a recent poll it becomes quite clear that this board only favored one side slightly, not massively. That's not exactly an indicator of who the board favors, nor is it an indicator of who the brackets favor, nor does it tell us anything about voting trends for the remaineder of the day...

Hell, you're only throwing out speculative bull**** with not proof behind it. Please, you're starting to get to me like Smurf does.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Well then I'm going to bed to refresh myself so I can think straight
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Well, Ryu's been basically able to hold steady for the last 15 minutes or so. It will be interesting to see how the day vote goes, or how the pickup votes go.

"The whole point is to speculate stupid."

One, that's a direct flame. I won't mark, but you can do better than that I hope.

Two, the idea isn't simply to speculate.. and when the idea is to speculate without using any existing evidence you shouldn't talk liek it's solid truth.

Three, I wasn't even talking to you, so not only are you now an ass, but you're an ass that manages to own himself.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And speak of the devil Ryu went from 45 votes to about 30 out in a minute.

Yeah, Ryu's beeng gaining somewhat, or at least stabilizing.

Because of the screwed up poll we really have no idea how this match will play out.
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SC2K4.com/Frog

"Well then I'm going to bed to refresh myself so I can think straight"

And when you come back we should know who is right... unless ceej realizes his mistake and starts over.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Hm. Okay I think I need sleep -_-;;; Sorry about that.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"Because of the screwed up poll we really have no idea how this match will play out."

The voice of reason!

Man, it's amazing how I can disagree with you so vehemntly one moment then completely agree another. Then again, you're quite stubborn in your belief that flawed evidence can be proven true by other flawed evidence.. so of course we have to butt heads.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I also hope Ceej just re-does the poll or leaves it up for two days...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Man, it's amazing how I can disagree with you so vehemntly one moment then completely agree another.

Meh, things like that seem like pretty standard procedure for these topics :)
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if this stays like this all day, then yeah, he should let it run longer and fix it, but if its fixed before eh, maybe three hours into it, i don't know if the whole contest has to be thrown off for it, i guess it depends how close it is
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if the rest of the poll plays out fine, a loss of 1,500 votes is no more in the end than standard deviation. Polls never have the same voter turnout, and what's to say the 1,500 lost here are more important than 1,500 lost in less popular polls throughout the day?

There is no proof of anything. You say that bracket/board voters are voting early because they care etc. If they cared, they'd be back at SOME point before the poll is over to atleast see what was going on, and they'll see the new poll up, and hmm.. maybe they'll vote? Yeah, that's a good assumption.
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Score: 26/27
Upcoming picks: Dante, Sora, Ryu, Sam

The match won't start over because of something like this. Votes weren't tainted by sinister forces, there's no mass stuffing, etc. Simply an error that will make for a lower vote total.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

*looks at his own bracket*

WHAT THE ****!?!?

I had HK-47 winning!? The hell is that! I never even once doubted this match!

Jeesus...this is only like the second time I've checked my bracket all contest, and I find out I had HK-47 winning. Seriously, I can't believe this. I'm friggin' pissed.

I swear, this *has* to be because of the scroll button on my mouse changing my pick somehow. There is no way I put HK-47 to win this match.

Grrrr...
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BTW, for those who can't tell, I wish to make it clear...

While I do spout nonsense from time to time I will general make note of when I believe it is nonsense and when I don't. If I don't and yet I preach about it, there's probably a damn good reason behind it. I argues a lot about how there was a good chance Auron suffered from SFF, no one listened but I had good reason. I happened to be right that time. The one thing I always try to do, however, is to make not that whatever I'm ranting on about is possible.

It's rare for me to proclaim fact without DIRECT evidence, and it is highly aggrivating when people do not extend the same courtesy. I realize it is often implied, and even I may have slipped once in awhile, but if we don't know for the love of god just say "We don't know this for sure but...". Really, it does us all a load of good to not risk putting our feet in our mouths whenever we can avoid it.

I know, I'm not perfect either, but I do try. If we don't know something, we don't know it, and if anyone thinks they know it without direct evidence you're all going to end up repeating the same mistakes you made when LttP crushed SM.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Do you have any evidence?

I may be sleepy, but the BOP, Guru, Prophet Challenge and Prediction Pecentage all favored Ryu H.
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Okay, good night all. Chichiri, again I am really sorry about that. I'm a bit too tired and even if you were directing your comment at me I shouldn't have flamed you.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

The match won't start over because of something like this. Votes weren't tainted by sinister forces, there's no mass stuffing, etc. Simply an error that will make for a lower vote total.

Last year, the only match that was redone was for that specific reason. There was an error that had to do with IP logging and usernames, preventing people from voting. It was fixed, and redone the next day.

I also hope Ceej just re-does the poll or leaves it up for two days...

If he does, I want another match to screw up or create a delay. Why? Because currently, the finals are scheduled for a Saturday. I want them on a Monday, since I've heard that Mondays typically have the highest vote totals. <3
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I also hope Ceej just re-does the poll or leaves it up for two days...

Redoing it would be a really bad idea if it stays up for any significant amount of time today. A lot of people will have their votes lost and not know to vote again once it starts over.

Leaving it up for two days would be the better option.
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SC2K4 Score: 27/29 (Hayabusa, Yoshi). About to be owned by ____ in the guru contest (Unless Magus and Sephiroth win).

Ryu's making a small comeback.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

"and what's to say the 1,500 lost here are more important than 1,500 lost in less popular polls throughout the day?"

What is to say there isn't? The people who abstain on matches they care about would likely abstain everytime that match happened, if people are unable to vote now they probably would vote if it were held again... and as we have seen time and again there are clear voter trends, which ever character would normally win the night vote therefore loses out on more than the other character... if the final tally ends within 200 votes it would put serious doubt on the entire match

see: Sonic vs Samus 2k2
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yes, but people aren't being prevented from voting. They can freely go to the poll and choose their winner.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

"I may be sleepy, but the BOP, Guru, Prophet Challenge and Prediction Pecentage all favored Ryu H."

Which are, in total, no more than a couple hundred people. Again, that doesn't show a clear trend for the thousands that would have normally voted by now. It is a small indicator, but by no means is it an infallible one.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"Chichiri, again I am really sorry about that."

I didn't ask for an appology. Believe me, at some point or another I'll return the favor... it's in my nature to be as such. I hold no grudges against anyone unless they clearly hold one against me.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well as we speak, Ryu has brought the lead down to the mid-teens =).
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Dear lord this match moving painfully slow.

I mean, we all know why, but still.
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"Yes, but people aren't being prevented from voting. "

However some people don't know that they CAN vote. It is just as bad, especially when all the poll says (should you pick sora or hk-47) is to refresh the main page. I assure you, you cna refresh as many as 20 times and not see the proper poll once. I think that combined with much lower vote totals shows that you're assumption is incorrect and that this error has a serious side-effect.

And personally I'd love to see a vote run two days just so we can track voter trends to a deeper level than usual.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

doesn't matter Jill had the lead and that's what matters

ps *shoots Sora vs. HK-47 poll*
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

CJayC needs to fix the home page before I give this match the credit it deserves.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Poll is fixed. NOW to bed.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Never mind, he fixed it.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

If this were another Frog/LS... who is Frog and who is LS at this point?

I would think that makes Jill out to be Frog (let's hope not), but I didn't exactly stay up to see the beginning of that poll.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well it only took him an hour.

>_>

<_<

*cough*

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

NO! IT is NOT fixed. The top 10 requests is but not the poll.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

no it isn't I'm still getting Sora vs. HK-47
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

No, the coding is gone, but it isn't fixed. I refreshed the homepage three times then BAM! Sora vs. HK-47 came up.

The poll is not fixed.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I would like to say this to the users of this topic

HA! Ryu owning Jill and giving Samus a match WTF?

Since I know that Ryu is getting the hardcore vote I would say that it is fair to say that Jill will stretch the lead as the day goes on

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^ Smurf, The cream of Sonic fanboyism ™

Well this time I'm going to bed
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Why doesn't he die?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

The voter is given instructions on what to do should they get the old poll.

Let's not assume the average voter is shiftless enough to find it impossible to refresh the page a few times.

Also, refreshing 20 times to get the new poll is next to impossible. It's about a 50/50 chance which poll you get, and you'd have to have abnormal bad luck to have that happen to you. If there were 80000 voters for a poll, I'd say that that situation would happen to less than 10 of them.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

Earlier I tested it. 15 refreshes, two times I got the proper poll.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Why doesn't he die?

Smurf? Or Ryu?

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

That is, if all voters got Sora/HK-47 first.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

Well apparantely, a good portion did. The vote total is very low.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Ryu Hayabusa 49.94% 1294
Jill Valentine 50.06% 1297
TOTAL VOTES 2591

Two days of this poll will only reveal one day of vote trends anyway =/
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"Also, refreshing 20 times to get the new poll is next to impossible. It's about a 50/50 chance which poll you get, and you'd have to have abnormal bad luck to have that happen to you."

FUnny, becuase I litterally refreshed it 20 times, yes I counted, and not once did the new poll come up. Sure, it's 50/50, but that doesn't mean it's a 50/50 chance each time you refresh, it just means that if you refreshed tenthousand times it'd come up even... you still have very long strings of one or the other.

Oh, and Smurf, of course... I want Ryu to win.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

We're not going to get a good idea about this match until the poll is fixed, for starters. Secondly, most of the world's Xbox love comes from America. Ryu H should do just fine during the day, assuming the poll gets fixed.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Speaking of 50/50, I just saw them tied!
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

If anyone thought that the difference would stay at around 1500, they are wrong. Links to the creativename's poll vote updaters for Link vs. CATS and this match:

http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1747
http://sc2k4.com/update.php?pollid=1718

It is about 1/2 (a little more), of what it should be still. =(


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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Aren't a lot of people heading back to school? Maybe that is influencing the counts.

I'm not prepared to say that the error is causing the low turnout. Because I don't think it is, especially with the instructions on what to do if you got the wrong poll.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

"Two days of this poll will only reveal one day of vote trends anyway =/"

Not necessarily. If the poll got fixed at somepoint we could see something we've never seen before. We can't say it would be no different unless we'd had a couple first. We haven't so I'm curious, even if the chances of little changes is prevalent.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

so what happens if someone sees the Sora Poll and votes? does it resigster for Sora or for Ryu?
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Stop TJF from happening, vote for Ryu H today!
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

It says you can't cast votes in that poll anymore.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"Aren't a lot of people heading back to school?"

Do you know what you are talking about at all? Half the voters returning to school tomorrow when most of the schools, including colleges, started weeks ago? Give me a break. What are you doing here, and do you know anything?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

It registers for no one. It just says "This poll is closed, refresh your browser dammit"
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Dammit Ulti, you're right. I forgot all about the X-Box North America factor. Interesting..... Did you mention that in any of your analyses?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

You cannot vote in this poll at this time. You may need to refresh the GameFAQs home page to see the current poll.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"does it resigster for Sora or for Ryu?"

Neither, it tells you to refresh the front page... which may or may not give you the correct poll after 10 attempts.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

okay, so then the vote totals are at least correct for today then.
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Stop TJF from happening, vote for Ryu H today!
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

Do you know what you are talking about at all? Half the voters returning to school tomorrow when most of the schools, including colleges, started weeks ago? Give me a break. What are you doing here, and do you know anything?

The more I read your posts, the more I wonder if you're an Aspie.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

No they aren't. After 15 refreshes, I got the right poll twice. And most people won't be bothered to do all that work to cast a vote.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

What, you guys actually thought that the day vote would go to Jill? RE isn't the day vote type, and Junless I'm proven wrong I doubt that Jill outright wins the day vote against anyone who isn't weak during the day... and so to me it was "can Ryu win the day vote?" to which the Xbox rears its ugly head and says maybe.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I think Ryu has a chance at the day vote. XBox hate is just over... It is a virtual non-factor at this point.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Actually, I know a lot. I know how you have a condescending attitude that I find pretty repulsive, and that you're being a bit of a jackass. But, I'll let that slide...

Not all schools start up at the same time. Pardon me for not making a blanket generalization.

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>Critical Mass has not been reached.
>More SephirothxCloud fics please.

*looks around for akbar*

I hope I'm not walking into a trap here, but what is an Aspie?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Nah nah nah nah, nah nah nah WHEY HEY HEY GOODBYE!

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^ Smurf, The cream of Sonic fanboyism ™

I hope I'm not walking into a trap here, but what is an Aspie?

If you don't know, you probably aren't one. But I assure you, it wasn't an insult. <3
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"Not all schools start up at the same time."

Yes, but most colleges are in session now, and typically they start later than primary and secondary schooling. If that hasn't hurt the first hour vote totals significantly a handful of schools starting now wouldn't either.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I don't think any school starts tomorrow though... Mine starts wednesday. Most has either started or starts after the 6th. My district chose the 1st for whatever reason.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

From: therealmnm | Posted: 8/30/2004 4:12:04 AM | Message Detail
Dammit Ulti, you're right. I forgot all about the X-Box North America factor. Interesting..... Did you mention that in any of your analyses?

No, but I will in my PCA.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Ryu Hayabusa 50.02% 1415
Jill Valentine 49.98% 1414
TOTAL VOTES 2829

Yay!
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I just wanted to make sure that all of you who haven't started school yet are lucky bastards. =)
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I'll laugh my friggen ass off if neither character manages a lead of 480+, because it would mean a poll between a washed-up slut and an Xbox lead would hold the record for the closest wire to wire poll.
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Wowzers why did this come up?


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That oughta sort out the bitter fanboy

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I think I actually know what an Aspie is....
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I wish close polls would happen between people I give a damn about now and then.
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I'll laugh my friggen ass off if neither character manages a lead of 480+, because it would mean a poll between a washed-up slut and an Xbox lead would hold the record for the closest wire to wire poll.

Yeah, in the most glitched. Poll. EVER!
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So, besides the laziness of voters (which is being called the cause of the low count, let's be real here), any other reasons why it's like this?

Maybe people off the board don't really have a love affair with NG or RE. Or the characters.

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I think I actually know what an Aspie is....

Do you? I am one, so I could tell you if you are right. =P
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I never formally thought about who would win the day vote. But now that it has been brought up, Resident Evil is a lot bigger as Biohazard in Japan.

Looking at the pic again, it actually isn't that bad for Ryu. Judging from his stance and looking at his name, most people should be able to figure out who he is. Especially in North America.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Assuming a constant voter push, we're on pace for 52092 votes. Add in the increases that come with the day vote swing and all that, and you're looking for, what, 60000 votes? 65000 if we're lucky?

Glitched polls suck.
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Isnt an Aspie just a cute name for someone with Aspergers syndrome?
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Assuming a constant voter push, we're on pace for 52092 votes. Add in the increases that come with the day vote swing and all that, and you're looking for, what, 60000 votes? 65000 if we're lucky?

If we assume 60,000 votes, then the new average votes per poll would be 80,347, down from 81,049.

So the average votes per poll wouldn't suffer much.

Glitched polls suck.

=(
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and the lowest we've had is 68-69,000? d'oh!! I hope things pick up.. and if jill is winning, it goes 2 days, and if ryu is winning, it stops at 1 day :-D
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Holy ****, if you mean Asperger's Syndrome... well, I've never heard of it before... and it doean't fit me like a glove or anything, but I've noticed some of those things.

Then again a website isn't going to tell me much, heh.

If I "suffer" from it I'm sure it's mild at best, however, as I seem to half-ass even my diseases (minor heart murmur as a child, borderline hypoglycemic).
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Isnt an Aspie just a cute name for someone with Aspergers syndrome?

A nickname, if you will. I'm not surprised surprised knows about it here. You know someone with it? I pity you. ^_~
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"Isnt an Aspie just a cute name for someone with Aspergers syndrome? "

Oh sure, jsut give away the answer while I'm lookng it up...
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you could say I know someone with it......
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Holy ****, if you mean Asperger's Syndrome... well, I've never heard of it before... and it doean't fit me like a glove or anything, but I've noticed some of those things.

XDDDDDD

If you actually had it, you would be the third person who I guessed had it online and was correct. <3

Oh well. 2/3 ain't bad ^_~.
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"That oughta sort out the bitter fanboy"

Why yes, yes it did. Glad you were kind enough to sepperate yourself from the rest of us.
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you could say I know someone with it......

Family member? You?
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"Oh well. 2/3 ain't bad "

Who knows, I never knew it existed, so I doubt my mother did, so I doubt I've ever been tested for such a thing.
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yeah, I have it. ^_^
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Oh well, goin' to bed, be back in enough hours to provide me with sufficient sleep...

Oh, and if you have AIM mumei, add me to your list. I'd like to talk outside the board here, if ya don't mind.
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Over 200 posts in 4.5 hours, and in the middle of the night? Jesus.
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I also would like to talk to you Mumei.
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yeah, I have it. ^_^

Cool. <3

And unfortunately, Jill has taken back the lead strongly =(.
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Strong, but not nearly strong enough.
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Chichiri, is your AIM SN the same as your GameFAQs SN?
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well, good night guys. I need sleep or else I will be cranky in the morning. (well, from the poll, it seems I will be cranky anyway, I just mean less cranky)
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Oh, you're always cranky =p
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0_o wtf? I'm reading a site with a huge description about aspergers, and it seems to describe me pretty damn well. Theirs a good chance that I have a disorder I've never heard of up until now 0_o.
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Wow. This is hilarious. I just mentioned this because I read through all the old stat topics, and I wondered if maybe Chichiri had it. And he might not, but other people may have it instead. XD
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I'm in the middle of making my AOL SC bracket, but I have to tell you that you guys talk WAY too much late at night.
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I mean no offense by this, but I find that Aspergers describes a lot of internet junkies very well. But trust me, you would know whether or not you had it. It's not exactly a mental disorder that you can miss.
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I mean no offense by this, but I find that Aspergers describes a lot of internet junkies very well.

Very true. Of course, the people I know who had it were diagnosed, so meh.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

God, I love lurking. I found out that 'shinobi' means ninja, and I also found a topic that is over three years old on the NES Ninja Gaiden board:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7978&topic=775761
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God, I love lurking. I found out that 'shinobi' means ninja, and I also found a topic that is over three years old on the NES Ninja Gaiden board:

You know what is even better than a shinobi? A Kunoichi. <3

Or a female ninja. TJF + TNF = Instant Win =)
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I don't think their were female ninjas...
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The sequel to Shinobi was Kunoichi.

Except they thought Americans were too stupid to grasp what a Kunoichi was so they gave it a lame title(Nightshade)

The game sucked anyway.
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I mean no offense by this, but I find that Aspergers describes a lot of internet junkies very well. But trust me, you would know whether or not you had it. It's not exactly a mental disorder that you can miss.


No, offense taken I am probably just ovvereacting, but I do know that about 6 or 7 years ago I was diagnosed with a bunch of crap, and I don't know what most of it is. I was just thrown a bit by how well it's escription fit me when I read it, I could easily be wrong though (probably just thinking to much about it).
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There were. And there is a reason that the sequel to Shinobi, Nightshade, was called Kunoichi in Japan. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
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Really? Were their any female ninjas in any video games? We should probably find and nominate one next year. TFNWBJF (the female ninjas with big jugs factor) = instant win
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"I demand a moderator"
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Wasn't Kasumi a ninja? She seems to fit all of your TJFASDAEIHASDIF description.

Well the star of Kunoichi would be one. Or Ibuki from Street Fighter III.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
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Were their any female ninjas in any video games? We should probably find and nominate one next year.

Kasumi, Ayame, Taki, Yuffie Kisaragi...
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And we're closing in on an hour and a half, and the poll is still screwing up.
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So, the poll is glitched... I had Sora vs. HK on my first trip through the front page, and figured he pulled a VC/KOTOR for some reason. But I figured it out when I read this topic.

Oh well. Make CJayC aware of it, and he'll stop it. Remember Pokémon/Xenogears? Except this time, it'll be much more unpredictable, because even though there's no way to know who's advantadged like last time, it's a much closer match, so Hayabusa would still have a good chance.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

I hardly call having to press F5 to get today's poll a glitch, more a slight inconvenience. Will be interesting to see if Jill can maintain this lead, about 350 now. I'd be seven down, but all my last 16 characters are still in. 185 still possible at the moment.
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...Refreshing doesn't work for me.
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But most people don't press F5. That's common sense. The poll should be restarted, if only because there are prizes to win and today's match is essentially worth three crucial points.
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Keep refreshing it; it works.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

****, there go 3 points. I first had Jill, but this was my last day change, which also explains why I'm on the bottom of the perfects.
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tomorrow's pick: Ryu H.

And for the record, the vote total is just barely higher than the first Pokémon/Xenogears attempt this spring at this time. It's a good comparison, since it was "hidden" by a bonus PotD.

But it still looks like Jill's getting the day vote. Ah well. If the poll is redone and Hayabusa can gain as much as Xenogears did, he'd win FYI.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

you guys aren't seriously getting upset that you have to refresh to get the poll are you? That's just the way the website works so get over it. It's not like everyone that doesn't refresh the main page is voting for Ryu H. And also if you're stupid enough to go to the main page for a new poll and see the old one is still there and don't know to refresh you almost deserve to not vote (no offense). Also anyone who would close the site and come back would automatically have the poll refreshed anyways. If the 38k vote thing is right, then this match could still go either way, although the only match that has really had a big % shift is Frog vs. Liquid. But this could be the sequel to that match...sort of. I'm happy with the way things are going though. Get rid of those perfects. woo hoo.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

Yeah, really neutral comment there.

Saying that you don't deserve to vote if you don't know that you have to refresh is like saying you don't deserve to live if you're black.

And that's not the way the website works, silly. It's a glitch. A GLITCH. Like going through floors in games are not the way games work.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Yeah...that made great sense. So, even though it took hitting Refresh/F5 seven times to get Ryu H./Jill up and even though after I closed the browser and reopened it and Sora/HK was still up, it's clear that had I just tried once and given up, I shouldn't deserve a vote.

I think the results will fall about the same, whether there's a restart or not. But personally, I would like to see a restart.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Considering how crappy the vote total is right now, yeah, it needs restarting.
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Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Cloud Strife / Knuckles

Tidus / Shadow

Frog / Liquid Snake

Mario / Auron

Snake / Bowser

Ganondorf / Zero

Crono / Zelda

Sephiroth / Alucard

Samus / Ryu

Love these teams. Especially Ganondorf/Zero.
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Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

It worked perfectly for me, but hey I must have the lucky super computer right? And the vote total...it's like 8am...and besides, in the past 15 minutes alone ryu has gained like 200 votes on jill, so you really shouldn't be ruling anything out just yet. I don't think any cries for a restart will be heard especially given the fact that jill is winning and most people have ryu in their brackets, so it's just whining. I was screaming for a restart in Dk / vivi but did I get it? Of course I didn't have quite the logical reasoning you guys had, but still...If this poll doesn't bring in at least 70K votes by the end of the day Cjay might let the poll open longer but who knows. He randomly left the Mario / Crono poll open an extra 15 minutes last year which was coincidentally just enough time for Mario to overtake Crono's lead, but I'm not complaining. (>'')> But in all honesty, even if you thought there was a glitch and even if it was glitched for you, that should be indication to come back later, or go to the boards and see what's up. Find enough information to made a decision about it. Either character could still win and the votes are probably still pretty accurately displaying actual popularity so it's not a big deal.

Disclaimer: Everything i say is in good fun and is intended only to carry on good discussion. No offense to anyone please. No more flames too please.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

Even people with Jill in their brackets are asking for a redo.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Well I just thought of somethign that makes me want a redo. Now about 50% of the random voters are still getting the correct poll, so that should be an accurate sampling of what would really happen with the votes. But then there's also people who are more hardcore about the contest and know that there's a specific poll that should be up and want to vote for who they have in their bracket....That would actually be a majority of people for Ryu H....So if you take into account that a lot of the hardcore people will vote and pick Ryu, then that means the less common voters, the more likely it is that Ryu H will win, because right now the common vote is overpowered for Jill because it has her winning over Ryu even with the hardcores picking a majority Ryu. This means a restart will advantage Jill voters. So I agree, we need a restart.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

Yikes this poll definitely needs to be redone. I had to refresh a number of times before I got the Hayabusa vs. Jill poll. Not to mention the horrid vote totals.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I think we need a restart where there isn't a ad for RE on the main page, personally. C'mon, encourage fair play here, Ceejus. >_>
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'Cause I know...I'm indestructible...

You'd be surprised. The "casuals" actually favored Xenogears over Pokémon more than the "hardcore".

It's not a done deal if CJay restarts it.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

I agree that it isn't a done deal, this is certainly one of the more exciting matches despite the low vote total. My only point is that Ryu wins the bracket makers vote and Jill is winning right now. Someone has to be voting for her. Which means she has the common vote IMO as of right now. She's undeniably more recognizable so it makes sense.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

My point is valid, and so is yours. In case of a restart, Jill has a head start of course... but we've seen the "casuals" favor the "hardcore" before and visa versa. With a 500 vote difference, if we see that again, Ryu wins.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

And meanwhile, Hayabusa is starting to come back!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Vote-wise, the gap remains constant.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I'm pretty sure I saw it above 500 at one point.

And Jill strikes right back. Way to kill the fun.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Well... to be honest, I wasn't overly surprised at this..
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Approaching 500 again ><
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Back down below 500. Dammit Ryu, stop getting my hopes up just to get smacked five seconds later.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Hayabusa will take the night vote, if he holds this up, he will have the victory in his hands.
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Points in the S2k4C: 27/29
Next pick: Ryu Hayabusa

Optimism...
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

He should let it run for two days, and yes, I have Jill in my bracket.
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I GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL; Contest: 27/29
“TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso

Ryu is just not going to die...and I have him in my bracket.

I lost faith in him anyways once Tails beat Joe, because that only leave the only new characters to win from Square. That's appaling.
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I got excited for a second, I refreshed 8 times in a row and got Jill/Ryu every time. "OMG LIKE MAYBE IT'S FIXED" Then the 9th was Sora/HK. zzzz
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I GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL; Contest: 27/29
“TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso

It appears as if Ryu is hopefully staging a comeback.
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"All that sloshing around of internal organs, how does it not drive you insane?"--HK-47

It was at like 500-600 or so. It's back down to around 450. While I have over-rated Ryu, he's still got a legit chance, especially if CJayC extends the poll/does it over.

Throwing this out there: How much do you think RE2 helps Jill in this contest? It's not out yet, but the hype might boost Jill up quite a bit.

Not just that Vivi is from Square. It's that he is from an already well-established series on Gamefaqs. It's becoming a trend. Most of the newcomers that perform well come from already popular series ON GAMEFAQS. Everyone else seems to have had to pay their dues. Magus, Ganondorf, Auron, and Bowser all came from a popular series. Newcomers like Master Chief, KOS-MOS, and Tommy won a match due more or less to having weak or also new opponents. Tommy and Master Chief are the strongest of the "new" newcomers. Ryu has to be head and shoulders above them to decisively beat Jill. He's obviously more well LIKED, but I don't see him drawing the same buzz as "the Halo guy" or "the Vice City guy". He does have more resources to draw from though.

The only anomaly to this seems to be Dante, but his winning matches have been against Q-Bert, Ryo, and Ratchet, so that's not saying much.... I can see Master Chief, Viewtiful Joe, and Ryu getting to his level eventually though.

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The lead was around 520 around 45 minutes ago, now its down to 380. Ryu started to push like crazy.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

Yes, yes, Hayabusa is coming back.
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Points in the S2k4C: 27/29
Next pick: Ryu Hayabusa

FIGHT HAYABUSA! FOR EVERLASTING BRACKETS!
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

I'm really curious to see what Cjay is going to do about this. The boards massively support anything they think will help ryu. I dont know what the fair response to this would be...
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

If the fair solution helps Ryu, so be it.

If the fair solution helps Jill, so be it.

I'm just rooting for Hayabusa. I never lost a Sweet 16 member in the first round before.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Lead stablized just above 300.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Ryu's such a quitter.
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Lead stablized just above 300.

Try calling the match for Jill. ^_~
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This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

just woke up and the poll isn't fixed

It's just a felling, but I think Jill would get the casual votes
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

charmander and i seem to be on the same page about this. if i were a ryu supporter i would be happy about this glitch because it looks like Ryu is very slowly starting to take over. I would say by 6pm Ryu H. will be winning at this rate, and maybe sooner. Cjay wake up and fix plz! <3 4 cjay
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

just woke up and the poll isn't fixed

It's just a felling, but I think Jill would get the casual votes

Slowflake called the match in Jill's favor. Since then, the lead has dropped by another ~40 to 50 votes. >=)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I mean if the poll was fixed
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

I mean if the poll was fixed

I know. I was making mention of Slowflake's Satanic powers. What I want to know is:

Whose soul did he sell to be able to do that? ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

i'm glad i have classes today, otherwise i would be sitting here watching this match all day.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

HM has those powers too. It actually got Mario the win
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

HM has those powers too. It actually got Mario the win

HM can do it by admitting defeat for a character, and Slowflake can do it by calling the match. ^_^
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Out of refreshing the poll ten times, i got Jill/Ryu six times and Sora/HK47 four times.

W.

T.

F.

This has been going on long enough. Why hasn't it gotten fixed yet?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Ceej is being a lazy bastard? =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I actually want the poll redone, but as long as Jill wins, it's fine with me
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

I'm just rooting for Hayabusa. I never lost a Sweet 16 member in the first round before.

Heh, I had Soul Calibur over Starcraft ;)
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I would also like to see the poll redone, but I doubt that will happen.
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I GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL; Contest: 27/29
“TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso

And then he goes, "Let Slowflake be Cursed!" So duh, what are you expecting?
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

down to 200
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

I think it was around that time that Pokémon/Xenogears was stopped.

Just tried getting Ryu/Jill to appear... it took 15 times for it to work. Meaning, I had Sora/HK 14 TIMES IN A ROW.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

nope that was 10:30 Pacific Time
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

And it only had 11000 votes 10 hours into it... 9 hours and we're at 18000. Not as bad as the other one, but still, many people aren't voting. If the people that don't vote favor Jill, then if Hayabusa wins the match against Sora could be a good one.

'Cept if there's a ninja pic. Mass Ninjas = Instant Win.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Single Ninja = Instant Win, too.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

Under 150, now. If CJayC doesn't stop it, we could see something decisive soon.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

Under 50!
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This is totally different than the Xenogears/Pokemon match. Only people with IDs could vote in this one. Only people who refresh or get lucky can vote in this one. I think the best solution would be to first, obviously, fix whatever is wrong. Second, I think keep the poll open for another 24 hours (i.e. all of tomorrow). Unlike Xenogears/Pokemon, people won't be like 'OMG, I already voted for this, WTF.' It will run like the GTA/KOTOR match, and I think that would be just fine. Specially given how freakin close this match is. In Soviet Russia, Jill Sandwich = Mass DEFEAT.
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...and it begins! 190/192 (stupid Ness & Tails) Next tough match: RYU vs. Jill

I still think Jill would get the casual since most of the votes were bracket votes and I think Ryu H. has that
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Edit: IDs could vote in THAT poll (X/P). Under 30!!!

Finally got Disgaea, after months of promising myself I would not spend over $40 for it, AND persevering through it going out of print, I have obtained my copy for $39.85 ($33.35 if the eBay bastard refunds my shipping like he promises to do... but given his history shows he does not, I won't hold my breath).
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...and it begins! 190/192 (stupid Ness & Tails) Next tough match: RYU vs. Jill

Ugh... The third really close match in the tourney, and it's ruined because of a site glitch. This sucks.
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Hmph.

I am not sure if bracket voting favors Ryu. Jill has better name recognition (Ryu really is THAT GUY from Ninja Gaiden). Jill has history on her side (including a pretty good run at it a couple years ago). I am not saying she will be the bracket favorite, however I will be very surprised if either character has more than 60% of the support. And 20% either way, given the unmeasurability of which bracketeers actually vote, in my opinion, makes it a wash. Just as likely to say that Jill's breasts would make up any possible Ryu bracket support.

It's under 20!!! OMG!!!
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...and it begins! 190/192 (stupid Ness & Tails) Next tough match: RYU vs. Jill

"The third really close match in the tourney, and it's ruined because of a site glitch."

Or it's created by one. The day vote started and heavily favored one character, it would seem, so I have a feeling the casuals may have supposrted once character jsut a bit more than the other. Maybe it shouldn't even be this close...
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Ryu seems to have stablized at about a 30-40 vote lead. Not insurmountable by any means...

GO RYU
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Summer Contest Match 30 Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
Status 26/29 Points: 026 Next: Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman

I can pretty much guarantee that if this poll isn't redone there will be mass chaos and whining from whichever side loses.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Yeah.. This match should be redone although Ryu is winning right now and I have him winning.. The board will go crazy if there isn't a rematch..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Jill is sort of staging a comeback. Kind of like Ryu did to her, except she doesn't have as far to go. Gap is about 70 right now. My guess is that Cjay will either redo or extend this poll, and my guess is extend simply because there is no need to cancel the votes collected so far. Although if the 38K vote factor is true the extention will hurt Jill. Not a very fun glitch here.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

not really Jill really doesn't attract a lot of voters, she'll probably only have around 73k-74k votes
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

I've been sort of double discussing this in my own made topic, but i'll bring my arguments here if i can. I recently posted this observation.

Actually, if you consider that this poll will be at about 25K votes by 2pm EST, then there will be well over 50K votes total in this poll by the time it closes. Maybe there will even be 60K votes. I'm starting to think that Cjay may not do anything about this poll other than at some point fix the glitch. The numbers are definently low but they're not THAT low.

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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

How many Gurus have Ryu winning this?
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"And right now you're roasting in the hot belly of a platinum dragon, so why don't you ask yourself where... your priorities...lie" -Dead Ale Wives

I have Ryu winning this and against Sora.
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Stop TJF from happening, vote for Ryu H today!
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

all but four I believe
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=( ...

I just realized that I've put Gordon Freeman over Sam Fisher..

Sighzzz... I was probably drunk or not thinking straight then.. and I am perfect thus far too!!!!

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"Fate has no forgiveness for those who dare stand against it." -Game Over (Chrono Cross)

yup I'm one of them
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

me too charmander
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15716433

My guess is that Cjay will either redo or extend this poll, and my guess is extend simply because there is no need to cancel the votes collected so far.

I highly doubt CjayC will extend the match since it will causes other matches to get mess up also.. The best thing he should do is just to redo this matchup..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

I doubt he'd redo the match. The most reasonable scenario would be to fix the poll and then extend the poll to the the time it was corrected the next day or something to that effect. That means that all votes already tallied would be counted and those users can't vote again. This would be an extreme measure though seeing that there ARE instructions on what to do if Sora/HK appeared.

Afterwards, CJayC would just stop the poll and replace it with a "break" picture like he did last year at the beginning of the second round. It might not be MUCH better than just redoing the round though.

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

it will causes other matches to get mess up also

The only matches that could be changed drastically by a delay are those involving Blizzard. Seeing how there's no Blizzard in this contest...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

And I agree. Fixing the poll and extending it tomorrow is the best way to go. We don't want that spectacle lost now, would we?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

I see no reason for the solution to simply not make this a 2-day poll. I mean simply running it into the time tomorrow when it is fixed will create an X-hour window from when the poll ends until the normal start time of midnight PST. I want Ryu to win about as much as anyone else on this board, but I cannot imagine either combatant being aided by a 48-hour poll. There is no science to how often people frequent GameFAQs, so there is no reason to assume Jill or Ryu is more likely to be supported by those that do not visit the website every single day. I am fairly confident the majority of votes are the same people voting every single day. I am sure there are thousands of unique voters every day, but given the relative closeness of this match those unique voters are not likely to have a definite preference between the ninja and gunner.
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...and it begins! 190/192 (stupid Ness & Tails) Next tough match: RYU vs. Jill

Hayabusa's been pulling away the entire time I've been catching up with this topic and the last one. He's up to a 120 vote lead with no signs of slowing down yet. 130 now, yeesh.
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Current Pick: Sora; Current Vote: Sora; Points: 27/28
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

And if the poll is kept open, this lead suddenly becomes more precious with the low vote totals.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 027/029 - Matches: 27/29 - Rank: 00365/33221 - Today: Hayabusa - Tomorrow: Sam

now at 102...

Apparently I can curse characters, too.
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Current Pick: Sora; Current Vote: Sora; Points: 27/28
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Back to 115
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Ryu's lead has been between 50 and 150 for a while now, with some fluxuations here or there. I'm excited to see what happens when/if the poll gets fixed. I hope my theory on the common vote is right.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

With the kiddies starting to get out of school on the East Coast...the vote totals will rise and Ryu will pad his lead.

Adios, Jilly...
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 35 SC2K4: 26/29 (Go Ryu!)

What makes you so sure Ryu H. would get those votes
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

The "casuals" actually favored Xenogears over Pokémon more than the "hardcore".

If you think about it, it makes sense. You must be h4rdc0r3 to dare to admit you like the pogeymanzs :P
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

If you think about it, it makes sense. You must be h4rdc0r3 to dare to admit you like the pogeymanzs :P

That is actually true. The casuals would feel embarassed to vote for pokemon because it "isn't cool." Personally, I love pokemon.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

down to 60, Jill is catching up
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Catching up, indeed. This is the closest thing to Frog/Liquid that we're going to get for a while.

As a side note, has there been any explanation from Ceej? I'm curious as to how he'll deal with this without pissing everyone off.
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Current Pick: Sora; Current Vote: Sora; Points: 27/28
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

With the kiddies starting to get out of school on the East Coast...the vote totals will rise and Ryu will pad his lead.

Why would the "kiddies" help pad Ryu's lead? I'm thinking about it and I'm not so sure they would help either character, care to elaborate?
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

He'll probably extend the poll.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

CjayC wont do anything, he can't redo it because a lot of people that have already voted will think it's just being extended and therefore not vote, causing the vote totals to be even lower.
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*WINNER OF THE SUMMER CONTEST 2004*

Did someone e-mail him because he won't do anything if we say nothing
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Okay, then. If Hayabusa wins, nobody email him.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

no it's the other way around
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Ryu vs Jill votes 12:38: 30349
Link vs CATS total votes 12:38: 46369

ratio: 1.527

end Link vs CATS votes: 82369
divide by ratio projects
end Ryu vs Jill votes: 53911

Why I belive CJayC shouldn't redo or extend the poll

1. If you know anything about statistics, the accuracy between a sample of 54,000 and 68,000 is almost exactly the same. We see thousands of voters pouring in the votes in a given day, and in most matches, the percent hardly changes. That's the whole idea of statistics, a small sample is used to project a large one with incredible accuracy. 54,000 is not bad!

2. The counter to the argument of #1 is that percents of incoming votes for each character DOES change as more votes come in. This is not from the total votes, it is from the time of day. This poll will have been open for 24 hours, letting all votes from each type of day come in.

3. A change in the format will cause unncesesary turmoil. More than if nothing was done. Imagine if the results changed from an extension that wasn't exactly 24 hours?


What group is at loss here? We still had the bracket vote (ryu), we still had the night vote (jill), we still have the day vote (ryu). We still have every type of vote imaginable, because this poll is random! The idea of accurate samples in statistics relys on randomness. The UserID poll was not random - that is not fair, it leaves a biased sample. This poll randomly showing up is fair.

These are my cases against redoing the poll. I see strong cases otherwise as well, I just feel that the better move would be to accept a small vote turnout, realize the fairness because the sample is still random, and 24 hours, and move on with our lives.
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Score: 26/27
Upcoming picks: Dante, Sora, Ryu, Sam

1. If you know anything about statistics, the accuracy between a sample of 54,000 and 68,000 is almost exactly the same. We see thousands of voters pouring in the votes in a given day, and in most matches, the percent hardly changes. That's the whole idea of statistics, a small sample is used to project a large one with incredible accuracy. 54,000 is not bad!

The casual voters, the ones who only visit the site once or twice each day for a few minutes, are the ones who are most likely to miss the oppurtunity to vote. Seeing as casual voters could easily favor one group over another, a glitch can have a huge impact on the poll. 54000 would not be seriously different from 68000 only if the 54000 were chosen at random from out of the larger sample. With a glitch that prevents casuals from voting, Voting WILL be impacted.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

What a day, what a day.

I get online before school to check the poll, and I get Sora/HK-47. Ooookay...I refresh, and I get the same poll again, refresh a third time, and I finally get Ryu/Jill. Send in my vote, and I see Jill holding a 47-52% lead. I'm like..."****" Until I look at the votes and see that it's only a 500 vote lead, and that only 7,000+ votes were in. Now Ryu is in the lead *just got home*

Should the poll be redone? No, IMO.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sora vs. HK-47 - Bracket: Sora - Vote: HK-47 (26/28)

Chaos Division: Round 1 - Match 31 – (7)Sam Fisher vs. (10)Gordon Freeman

Moltar’s Analysis

Sam
Game/Series Known From: Splinter Cell Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 35th
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 4
Lost in Round 1 to Magus in 2003.

After getting owned by Magus in Round 1 last year, Sam is back and this time he has a chance to make it to Round 2.

Gordon
Game/Series Known From: Half-Life
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 53rd
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 53rd
Seed in 2002: 3
Seed in 2003: 7
Lost in Round 1 to Tina in 2002 and to Max in Round 1 in 2003.
One of the most overseeded characters in 2002.

When you lose to characters like Tina Armstrong and Max Payne, you deserve a joke about your losses to be made about you.

When I saw this match on paper at first, I laughed. Sam Fisher against Gordon Freeman, Battle of the First Round Fodder. Neither of them should make it to Round 2, but whatever. Sam faced Magus in 2003 and lost 34-66. Gordon faced Max Payne in 2003 and lost 54-46. Magus would beat Max by more than he did to Sam. So basically, this match is Gordon vs. stronger Max Payne. GFNW lives on.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sam will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sam 61% - Gordon 39%



Ulti’s Analysis

Gordon Freeman Never Wins.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Sam Fisher/Fisher with 53.83%



Cena’s Analysis

Excuse me while I piss myself laughing. The seeds in this thing are absolutely horrendous. Good lord! Sam Fisher has this in the bag, because honestly, nobody knows who Gordon Freeman is. Sam is more popular by a longshot, no matter how crappy Pandora Tomorrow is (supposedly).

Cena's Vote: Sam

Cena's Prediction: Sam with 67% (No comment)
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Sora vs. HK-47 - Bracket: Sora - Vote: HK-47 (26/28)

Hmm... my roommate keeps going to website and gets the Jill/Ryu poll everytime. It is our hypothesis that whatever bug has the poll flip-flopping does not affect Windows 95 =) And don't even bother asking why, in 2004, my roommate is running Win95 with IE 5.5, but he has the last laugh never having to see HK-47 again.
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...and it begins! 190/192 (stupid Ness & Tails) Next tough match: RYU vs. Jill

Maybe it's been fixed by now, but this morning, you could tell something was wrong.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ryu vs. Jill - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Jill (27/29)

Nevermind, I just went to the homeage and it went to Sora/HK

>.<;;;
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ryu vs. Jill - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Jill (27/29)

It isn't fixed. I just got Sora and HK-47 again. =(
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I say screw it. I've got a day off from work Monday and that's Mega Man vs. Tidus, no need to delay that. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'll say this much, unlike Xenogears vs. Pokemon where only registered voters could vote the poll at hand works for everyone. Yes, it sometimes will show Sora vs. HK-47 but it does allow anyone to vote and would affects everyone equally as opposed to only allowing one set of people to vote.

*shrug* I don't care to watch Mario vs. Bowser on my Monday off. >>
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I was glancing at the SC2k4.com updater, and I noticed that Jill creamed Ryu in the early morning vote. How much of a lead does Hayabusa need to hang on before the night vote sets in?
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

How much of a lead does Hayabusa need to hang on before the night vote sets in?

Right now, I'd say he's got the match won with the way things are going. The night vote obviously will go his way, so as long as Jill doesn't retake the lead and build a large amount I'd say he's safe.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well, nevermind, I thought the night vote was in favor of Hayabusa but I suppose it wasn't. Regardless, I would expect him to benefit from it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Why will the night vote go his way? Serious question, I have trouble seeing it going to either character.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

How much of a lead does Hayabusa need to hang on before the night vote sets in?

No need to worry about that. The winner has been declared. ;)
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Nevermind, I said nothing...
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

if it finishes in the low fifties, or fifties for that matter, it should be allowed an extension, not a redo though, cause like someone else said there really is no point to just cancelling out the casted votes.
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Jill has a better chance of getting the night vote then Ryu, but I think it'll be pretty much even.

Last night, they were within 50 votes until about 1:30am PST. Jill then built up her 450 vote lead over the next 4 hours. So it depends on whether you consider that period an indicator for the second night vote, or not.
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SC2K4 Score: 27/29 (Hayabusa, Yoshi). About to be owned by ____ in the guru contest (Unless Magus and Sephiroth win).

And at the very least, the poll seems a lot less glitchy now. It took me plenty of refreshes to get the Sora vs. HK-47 poll to pop back up and whenever I go to the homepage Hayabusa vs. Jill is shown.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

still though it was glitchy for a long time, but I would be more surprised for it to be extended or rerun, than for it to just have low vote totals.
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Go vote in today's survivor please!!!
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15716433

I'm against doing a redo and to a lesser extent an extension. There are people who could be missing out, but it isn't only to registered users like Xenogears vs. Pokemon. Besides, the poll has been going on all day so I'm really against redoing the entire poll and the extension of another day would be stupid if you ask me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

It is even more glitchy than ever for me. My most refreshes yet was just now. I think an extension is in order. I don't know how long is fair though. Hopefully Cjay will at least make some sort of official announcement about it. Like, yes I know there's a problem and I'm fixing it. That type of thing would be nice.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

Please read this all before complaining about one of my points.




The base for redoing this poll is that we are losing the casual vote, right? If we do a 48 hour match, we'll get TOO MUCH casual vote, but all the rest stays constant (bracket, regulars wont vote again, but the casuals change on a day to day basis). That isn't fair, and completely contradicts the base for an extension. If this match were redone, it would need to start from a clean slate, and run exactly 24 hours glitch free.

Extending less than 24 hours is unfair because of daily voting trends that differ due to the time of day.

The most fair thing to do then would be to RERUN the poll for 24 hours. But then we lose people who see the same poll and don't vote again, not knowing they could have! That loses bracket voting and regular voting.


My point is, no matter what is done, voting samples WILL be skewed. You can't deny that, in all this confusion. Who is to say that one way is better than another? Why should we give it another try and possibly get contradictory results with a new winner the next day? Then who really wins? The poll skewed by too little casual vote, or the one with too much casual vote?

The fact is, this poll is available for 24 hours to anybody who would like to vote in the poll. 24 hours, open to the public. The way the contest was set up. The way this match should stand, no matter what the results.
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Score: 26/27
Upcoming picks: Dante, Sora, Ryu, Sam

Ryu is over 200 now. <3
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

You make some interesting points, but let's say that the glitch is fixed at 6pm EST. Then tomorrow the poll goes until 6pm EST, therefore anyone that does that whole daily routine thing you're worried about will still be included. We will get common votes from all hours just on different days. Too much common vote? I don't understand that. People come and they vote. Simple as that. You can't limit the types of people that vote in a general public poll. That's what the glitch is doing. That's why something needs to be done.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

We restart the poll because a couple thousand people are too lazy to refresh the homepage?

Ha. No way.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ryu vs. Jill - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Jill (27/29)

going until 6PM allows for a huge casual day vote, and nothing for the casual night vote. That skews the results even more! My point is, no matter what is done, its not fair. It would not make up for those who lost the chance to vote.

The idea of a casual vote is that they don't come everyday, and just happen to see the poll. A lot of today's casuals wont be here tomorrow. A lot of tomorrows casuals aren't here today. This means that in a 42 hour poll that you suggest, we'd get a larger casual vote turnout than usual, even though today's was cut in half. Regulars/bracket voters would have less effect than usual, and instead of less casual, its more. Which is more fair? Neither, so why waste a day just because of some glitch that still allows anybody who wants to vote the possibility to do so?!

My suggestion is that CJayC should purposefully leave this glitch until tomorrows match, then get rid of it right away. That wouldn't skew the night casual more than the day, etc. We need to accept that this match isn't going to be fair, no matter what is done, and move on with our lives.
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Score: 28/29
Upcoming picks: Ryu, Sam, Samus, Link

Whether Ryu wins or loses, I don't want this match redone. The contest is going late enough as it is.
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I've said it before, but I'm totally against redoing this poll regardless of the winner.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Actually if the poll were fixed at 6pm EST then the casual night vote would be able to vote starting at 6pm EST on the first day of it. The point of the extention is to make the poll glitch free for a full 24 hour period so no group is neglected. Please read my entire posts before you respond.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

With Jill getting a ~450 lead during the night, how do you declare Ryu the winner when he only has a ~200 lead or so?
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God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. - cyko
Summer Contest 2004: 20/21

I read your post, and responded. I was under the assumption you meant to keep the first 18 hours of the poll as well, making it a 42 hour poll. And I responded, saying that while you'd get a fair 24 hours of casual vote, you'd have EXTRA casual vote, but not extra bracket vote, from the first 18 hours. Casuals don't come every day, regulars, by our definition do. Extensions would allow more casuals, no matter when the poll was fixed, or extended, or whatever you propose.

I don't care who wins, 3 point loss or not, the winner should be declared after 24 hours have gone by with every GameFAQ user given the opportunity to vote.
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Score: 28/29
Upcoming picks: Ryu, Sam, Samus, Link

To be fair to both sides, though, this is a match that could potentially make or break the chances of winning the tournament. This isn't just 1 point at stake here; there's 3 points, no matter who wins. Given that Ulti won the Spring contest with only 5 points lost, there's half your mistakes right there, and a round 2 loss would kill you. We've only had a couple polls that have been close enough for glitches to matter, and it's a shame that this had to be one of them.

With that said, I think Hayabusa wins by a larger margin if we redo/extend the poll. Most casual voters are included in the "day vote," right? And who has come back from being 500 down to 200 up throughout the first 6.5 hours of the day vote? That's right, Hayabusa. Assuming that the casual voters that actually voted today are somewhat proportional to the overall casual vote, Hayabusa wins.

Now, if Jill makes a push to win with the night vote, I'll be pissed. Hopefully Hayabusa can build up a decent lead of 300-400 by 9PM EST to hold her off.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

1st Night Vote =/= 2nd Night Vote, it's usually weaker
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

there's 3 points, no matter who wins.

Just to be fair, there is no way of knowing this 100% right now and even a 1 point match could be critical. Either way, you'd receive complaints if you restarted or didn't restart the poll.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I agree with Heroic Mario on the 362nd post.
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Just to be fair, there is no way of knowing this 100% right now and even a 1 point match could be critical. Either way, you'd receive complaints if you restarted or didn't restart the poll.

Sora failed to impress me against the fodder called HK-47. That would seem to imply no significant SFF in Sora/Aeris, which makes today's winner all the more likely to make it to the Sweet 16. I agree with your second point, though: the losing side in this match is going to call for a redo/extension until they're blue in the face, and the winning side would be just as bad if that actually happened.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

Hey, why don't we just give everybody a freebie for whoever wins this match! If Ryu wins and goes on to beat Sora, then EVERYBODY gets the 3 points. Same for Jill! If Sora beats either one, then everyone gets a point. Then everyone will be nice and dandy! :D
Or not.......

Seriously though, I'm probably sure that CJayC has noticed what's going on. It is kinda his job.... I'd hate to know what he was doing if he wasn't maintaining the site. The poll does say refresh and it is open to everyone, so officially everyone had an opportunity to vote. I don't really care who wins at this point. I'd just like the contest to continue.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Let the match run 48 hours, so long as the bug is fixed. If it is not fixed, then letting it run another day serves no purpose except to sample from another random sample of the casual voting pool. The casual vote is just that... casual. If the casual vote favors Ryu, then Ryu is the one that deserves to win. If it favors Jill, then she should be the one to win. I am out to win as much as anyone else, but more than that I am out to see this tournament run in a proper fashion, and that includes not alienating any of the voting public. This bug is giving us a random sample of the casual voter, rather than the actual casual voting data., because some times you get Jill/Ryu as the initially loaded poll, and sometimes you get Sora/That Thing. And frankly, I have had my fill of That Thing. The clown probably couldn't even get 80% on Tanner... what a meatbag.
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...and it begins! 190/192 (stupid Ness & Tails) Next tough match: RYU vs. Jill

Let the match run 48 hours, so long as the bug is fixed.

I'm against that in many ways.

I do recall a certain GTA:VC vs. KotOR match going on for 48 hours but I can't remember what the problem was with that one.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The poll stoped for like 10 hours, but it wasn't keeping count (CJayC was updating the site I think)
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

which makes today's winner all the more likely to make it to the Sweet 16.

I agree completely that this is a three point match, but in all fairness it's really not something most people would immediately say is one. Heck, CJayC probably wouldn't even be one to think this is a three point match. All in all though I agree that this is a three point match.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Or Ceej could let it run 48 hours with the glitch, thereby giving the average voter who doesn't care to refresh two chances (assuming he logs in once a day) to see the poll.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Oh, okay, that'd be different too.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Or Ceej could let it run 48 hours with the glitch,

Or just end it at 24 hours. I still see that as a good solution.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Holy **** I come back 7 hours later and the poll is still not fixed?
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I GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL; Contest: 27/29
“TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso

I wouldn't been so annoyed if it was any other match, this is the biggest match so far and now we'll never know who would of won under normal circumstances.
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*WINNER OF THE SUMMER CONTEST 2004*

Or just end it at 24 hours. I still see that as a good solution.

My post was meant as a joke. I agree that it would be best to end it after 24 hours, which appears to be the most likely course of action right now.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Also, given the fact that the site has been updated today I'd like to think CJayC is aware of the poll having this little "glitch".
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

As I posted before, if this poll is let run for 48 hours, we will have more casual vote than usual. Why is that more fair than too little casual vote? Who is to judge that? NOBODY. Why waste our time? We either get the same results, and move on, or get contradictory results, and cause even MORE uproar, and then have to decide which method would be the most fair.

Here is my base for there being too much casual vote in a 48 hour match.


Today, over half of the casual voters have been able to vote. This is evident because the Jill/Ryu poll shows up more than half the time.

Tomorrow, there would be DIFFERENT casual voters. The idea of a casual voter is that they don't come every day. The casual voters tomorrow would be able to vote, and added to todays casual voters, we'd have even more than normal.

The poll running today has let all regulars and bracket voters vote. We are here enough to know to refresh. Tomorrow, we couldn't vote again, leaving the second 24 hours to be a surge of new casuals.

So what is fair, half the amount of normal casual vote, or 1.5 times the amount of normal casual vote? Extending it is so dumb, because anybody who wants to vote CAN VOTE TODAY. A complete redo would be waaaay more fair. But then you get people who think they can't vote again.. Again skewing the results.



Do you not see that no matter what, it's not fair? Its unfortunate, yes, but no one way will make the voting pool normal.
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Score: 28/29
Upcoming picks: Ryu, Sam, Samus, Link

Imagine if a glitch like this happened during the Championship Match, or worse, Mario vs. Crono. O_o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

If this glitch happened in Mario/Crono, I wouldn't be surprised to see so many posts on Board 8 that GF's servers would crash.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

What is the most number of posts on Board 8 at one time? And LUE (at its peak) too.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This is old, but I have to respond...

Generally speaking, that wouldn't happen--you wouldn't see things being greater than the sum of their parts. It's a similar scenario to a portfolio of assets--you're not going to increase returns by combining assets

I think your analogy gives us a really clear example of why Lieutenant Kettch is right. Would you rather have $1500 cash or $1000 in bonds? Would you rather have $1500 cash or $1000 in stocks? Now, would you rather have $1500 cash or $1000 in bonds + $1000 in stocks? You can't just add individual percentages and expect to get the result for the team - it is very possible that a team can get a vote together that neither member would get individually. You're right in that the team IS the sum of its parts - the flaw is that we don't know the actual value of those parts - we only know their relative popularity in a 1 on 1 comparison. $1000 would get 0% of the vote in a matchup against $1500, but that doesn't mean it has no value compared $1500... it could win teamed with something else that ALSO got 0% against $1500.
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 27/29
Current Oracle ranking: 3nd | Pick: Ryu H with 53.43%

Imagine if a glitch like this happened during the Championship Match, or worse, Mario vs. Crono. O_o

...I shudder as I think of the chaos that would follow.

...Brr.
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Current Score: 26/29
Today's Pick: Ryu Hayabusa

In 2003 by Mario vs. Crono we had much more topics than LUE.
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Ah. I can't wait for the later rounds. I wish Ceej hadn't started this contest so late. I wish it had been started maybe 2 weeks earlier, if possible...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

it seems to be settling around 220
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

I wish it was earlier as well.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

No matter how you debate it... I doubt CJC has any incentive to do anything other than fix the glitch. It's not in his best interest, or worth his time/effort for that matter, to ponder the vast number of "solutions" to this little miscue here and actually implement it only to hear more complaints from some other faction. So whatever may be more "fair," and i emphasize the quotations, is probably of little relevance and concern to him. Nonetheless, I don't deny its fun to throw around solutions to this problem and debate them back and forth, but what's probably going to happen is that simply... The show must go on

I believe I said something about how North America is where all of the Xbox love comes from.

Gee, look when Ryu managed to come back. When the North Americans woke up.
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Definitely. North America is the prime place for Xbox and then after that it's Europe, then Japan just not caring.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

so true 3 mill people got Halo in NA, while 77 000 in Japan
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

An example:

Xbox:
Japan: 450,000
NA: 9.61 million
Europe: 3.6 million
Korea: 80,000
Australia: 450,000
Total: 14.19 million (present)

*Note: These are old figures from January 2004 and as of now the Xbox has 15.5 million copies sold and currently sits second place worldwide.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

really I thought the GBA was in second
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Er... That doesn't include portables ^_^.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I thought GBA had even outsold PS2...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

eesh, and ryu is just marching on now........

COME BACK JILL!!!!!


*sigh*
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Wow. Hayabusa is taking off.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heroic Mario, can you get the sales on the "Biohazard" series in Japan and North America, for comparison?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I thought GBA had even outsold PS2...

I think it did, but HM was saying that the X-Box is second in terms of console sales. GBA wouldn't be included in that.

And Ryu just went flying off. <3
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Hayabusa=Night vote winner?
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Yuber lives in Pennslyvania...watching...

i hope not...
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I find this recent rise strange. Not suspicious, not wrong, just... strange.
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Playstation

Resident Evil (North America): 1.88 million
Resident Evil 2 (North America): 1.74 million
Resident Evil 3 (North America): 1.05 million

Biohazard (Japan): 1.30 million
Biohazard 2 (Japan): 2.30 million
Biohazard 3 (Japan): 1.55 million

GameCube

Resident Evil (North America): 465,276
Resident Evil 2 (North America): 31,832
Resident Evil 3 (North America): 38,959
Resident Evil 0 (North America): 415,601

Resident Evil (Japan): 267,470
Resident Evil 2 (Japan): 9,372
Resident Evil 3 (Japan): 8,691
Resident Evil 0 (Japan): 388,644

Hope that helped.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

really I thought the GBA was in second

I was referring to that.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yes, the note was to mean out of Playstation 2, Xbox, and GameCube that the Xbox was second.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I was referring to that.

I know that.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I already knew what HM meant.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Wow, Ryu is owning the vote now. He SHOULD get the night vote too...
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Ryu vs. Jill - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Jill (27/29)

Well, my only hope is that Ryu wins, plain and simple.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yeah Hayabusa is just constantly stretching his lead.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Heh, funny to think that if the poll wasn't glitchy, Ryu would be leading by more than he is now.
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Ryu vs. Jill - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Jill (27/29)

Even if Hayabusa wins this one, if he's having this much trouble with Jill, then Sora stands a very good chance of beating him.

If Hayabusa goes to the sweet sixteen, I'm weeping for humanity... Or more aptly, my fanfic.
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Hmph.

Jill wasn't exactly projected to struggle against Sora and like mentioned earlier the way he performed against HK-47 wasn't exactly jumping out that there was significant SFF in Aeris vs. Sora. I've always seen the winner of this match going straight to the Sweet 16.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Kingdom Hearts almost lost to Soul Calibur in the Spring Contest, and although Games =/= characters, it still says something.

Soul Calibur is a great game, but being on Dreamcast it never got much of an audience.

So really I don't see the winner of this match having trouble with Sora
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Current SC2K4 Score: 28/29
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

If Sora got SFF'd in his match against Aeris the way Auron and Kefka apparently did, he can win. If not, he'll probably lose.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Failing to double up fodder (and if anyone thought HK was otherwise, I pity them) does not look good for Sora's chances against Hayabusa, assuming Jill doesn't pull a Starcraft. And, at 600 votes down at 9:00 EST, she had better start coming back if she wants a chance at this.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

The most SFF I could see Sora suffering was what the estimated amount was in the SFF adjusted rankings. That would still put Jill at a win with 53%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Jill wasn't exactly projected to struggle against Sora and like mentioned earlier the way he performed against HK-47 wasn't exactly jumping out that there was significant SFF in Aeris vs. Sora. I've always seen the winner of this match going straight to the Sweet 16.

I'm not sure how you can claim HK proves Sora didn't get SFF, since we have no data on his strength, beyond KOTOR in the Spring Contest. People are making assumptions on HK-47's strength, there are plenty of reasons those assumptions could be wrong. Bottom line, we don't know how strong HK is, because we don't know if Sora got SFF last year. We won't know until he faces Ryu (Assuming Ryu wins, larger leads than his have disappeared in 6 hours) and Ryu hasn't proved he's high enough over Jill that the SFF wouldn't matter, in fact Jill and Ryu are almost equal in strength.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

I'm not sure how you can claim HK proves Sora didn't get SFF,

I never said it proved that Sora didn't receive SFF, but it surely didn't look like he suffered significantly from it.

People are making assumptions on HK-47's strength, there are plenty of reasons those assumptions could be wrong.

That's a given. We are going by what makes the most sense, as opposed to what we absolutely no as statistical proof. Much in the same sense of how I projected Jim to be inbetween Ness and Pac-Man for the 2003 rankings. Do I know that he's there? Not really. I do know that should be around what he would be at. The same thing with HK-47. People would guess around where he should be in strength, and honestly no one should have expected him to be anything but fodder.

Looking at the stats for Sora without SFF and Sora with SFF you'd see that HK-47 falls into a category of around 13-16% on Link. Would you say that's too weak? I wouldn't. You are right, it is nothing more than an assumption though.

Ryu hasn't proved he's high enough over Jill that the SFF wouldn't matter, in fact Jill and Ryu are almost equal in strength.

I was expecting Jill = Hayabusa to happen before I made my pick. I looked at Sora without SFF and then I looked at what he would be estimated to suffer. If he went past what is estimated I'd be shocked.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Ryu H. broke 700, unless Jill pulls a SC it's over
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Here's his estimated SFF in Aeris vs. Sora

28. Jill - 24.56%
29. Donkey Kong - 24.51%
30. Luigi - 24.43%
31. Scorpion - 23.94%
32. Felix - 23.81%
33. Sora - 23.67%/
34. Wario - 23.29%
35. Yuna - 22.89%
36. Sam Fisher - 22.82%
37. KOS-MOS - 22.21%
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Thanks HM. I thought so. It sold better in Japan which could explain why Jill did well in the early morning vote, which is afternoon/evening for Japan. I don't know exactly how many people from Japan actually use Gamefaqs, but I know it is a significant amount as far as poll numbers go.

As far as Sora SFF is concerned, I think it was minimal. The SFF in Mario/DK and Cloud/Auron was obvious. You can't' compare Sora/Aeris to this. If a person likes Donkey Kong, more than likely he will like Mario even more. Cloud and Auron have the same appeal (FF main character, huge sword, hero-type), so I could see many people who like Auron and would have him over anyone except for their beloved Cloud and Sephiroth. Go ask any FF fan and see what they say. Yes, Sora and Aeris appeared in the same game, but besides that I don't see much else in common. The only way there could be significant SFF if there were a LARGE amount of voters who would vote anything Square. I don't think the majority of the voters are that shallow.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Failing to double up fodder (and if anyone thought HK was otherwise, I pity them) does not look good for Sora's chances against Hayabusa, assuming Jill doesn't pull a Starcraft. And, at 600 votes down at 9:00 EST, she had better start coming back if she wants a chance at this.

Auron failed to double up Tails, and up until his match against Joe and Aurons against Scorpion he was considered "fodder" too.

Face it, two of the extrapolated's biggest failures this year(as measured by the percent it's been off) have been with Square characters beaten by other Square characters last year. Sora undeniably falls into this category, and I don't see why you think his case is different from the others.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

good predictions though I would make the SS vs. Knux a little higher
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Crap, wrong topic. Also, I don't see Sora making up more than 7% on Ryu because of SFF.
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Summer Contest Match 30 Ryu Hayabusa vs. Jill Valentine
Status 26/29 Points: 026 Next: Sam Fisher vs. Gordon Freeman

Kefka's estimated SFF was pretty dead on, if I remember correctly.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Sora is Disney or else the would have 11 Square characters
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

^^ Who was that directed towards? Or was that just a general statement. You don't actually think that technicality matters as far as voting trends go do you?
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

We hit 50,000 total votes. Where do you see this ending? I'd say inbetween 55,000-60,000.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

RamzaB
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Go ask any FF fan and see what they say. Yes, Sora and Aeris appeared in the same game, but besides that I don't see much else in common. The only way there could be significant SFF if there were a LARGE amount of voters who would vote anything Square. I don't think the majority of the voters are that shallow.....

Go ask any Square fan who they prefer, Sora or Aeris, I suspect there's better than a 75% chance they say Aeris. Aeris is a popular character from an extremely popular game. In addition, she makes a cameo in Sora's game and it's theorised KH caused alot of people to go play FF7 and FF8 again. That sounds like a perfect recipe for SFF to me. And if you don't think there are alot of people on this site who would vote Square, and especially FF, over anything, I need only refer you to the last two contests. CT Vs. FF7? Cloud Vs. Sephiroth?
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Okay, Ramza, what do you see HK getting on Link or Cloud?
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

Jill is slowly gaining 680 at 7 pacific
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Sora is Disney or else the would have 11 Square characters

Yes, the rights to the Sora character are owned by Disney. There's still a big Orange logo on the box, and he was still designed by Square. And yes, Square virtually has 11 characters in the tournament because Sora snuck in on his ownership technicality.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

And if you don't think there are alot of people on this site who would vote Square, and especially FF, over anything, I need only refer you to the last two contests. CT Vs. FF7? Cloud Vs. Sephiroth

Well geez, maybe it was CT vs. FF7 and Cloud vs. Sephiroth because a lot of people like CT, FF7, Cloud, and Sephiroth . You have it backwards, people don't like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7 because they are Square. They like Square because they have Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7. There is a HUGE difference....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Okay, Ramza, what do you see HK getting on Link or Cloud?

With his fanbase of fanatics? Around 18-19%, maybe 17% on Link because he does better against fodder, assuming no antivotes. I could see him going toe to toe with an uncartonized Duke Nukem.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Wow, I'm surprised and impressed that Ryu Hayabusa is winning with that pic. I guess enough people DO recognize him by name.

IMHO, the poll should not be extended nor redone. No matter what we do now, the results will be screwed up. If we extend it, there will be too many casual voters. If we redo it, there will be too many visitors who DON'T vote, thinking it's the exact same poll. The way it is now probably really is the most accurate it can get.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Come to think of it, if we redid the poll and the vote total was higher, it would be more accurate...and it's likely the vote total would be higher, anyway. Whatever.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Damn it. We actually have to see this match tomorrow.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Poll being re-done tomorrow. Ah well, it's a waste of time, but I don't doubt that Ryu is going to take the win yet again.

Nice match pic though. Guess this was all part of the CATS master plan...

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I dont see why he had to wait this long to redo it...
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Now we can see Hayabusa win by a larger margin. Fun, fun.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well at least now no one can complain. Cjay did something about it and that's what's really good. I would hate to have RE fans on my butt all day because I didn't do something about this poll. I can see it now....

"I make cjay a jill sandwich"
"cjay take this radio"
"ryu! who are ya? what are ya doin' here?"
"all your base are belong to us"

and so forth....

anyways, the important thing is that half of the people are upset now but less will be upset tomorrow, except that if jill wins half will still be upset. but you can't deny that it's good that cjay actually did something about it.
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SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

You know, in response to the possibility that people vote specifically because of Square characters, I'd like to pose a thought...

If you put anyone from Vagrant Story or Threads Of Fate or the like on the board, do you really think they'd fare well against any of the usual suspects who find their way to the top? Not counting Square characters already present, I'd imagine that new entrants from the Square frontier of old would get worked on a cult status level...almost like a CATS or Luca Blight run. Would you really vote for anyone from Saga Frontier over Duke Nukem? I wouldn't.
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Actually, I still stand by leaving it alone would have been the best thing CJayC could have done.

Mega Man vs. Tidus - Tuesday. *grumble*
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I actually had a good pic for the Mario vs. Bowser match. I have two figurines from the 80s of Super Mario Bros. But I forgot to take a picture of them before I left back for school.... (-_-) It would have been classic.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

*votes for Saga Frontier over Duke*

a little late CJayC
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Summer 2004 Contest 25/29 Jill vs. Ryu H.

Well geez, maybe it was CT vs. FF7 and Cloud vs. Sephiroth because a lot of people like CT, FF7, Cloud, and Sephiroth . You have it backwards, people don't like Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7 because they are Square. They like Square because they have Chrono Trigger and Final Fantasy 7. There is a HUGE difference....

No, there really isn't. Every Square game in the Spring contest not defeated by another Square game made it to the Second round. KH was projected to beat Metroid Prime. We were a stones throw away from having every game with the FF title not defeated by another Square Title in the Sweet 16.

How many Square Characters are projected in the top twenty in the summer contests? I don't know off hand, but I'd bet a good deal it's atleast 7, and is probably eight if Auron is as strong as he appeared against Scorpion. How is Vivi stronger here than Tommy Vercetti when a large number of people legitimately didn't know who Vivi was on the board? Fans of any Square game/character tend to vote other Square games/Characters over things they don't care about or don't know about, even if they have no idea if the game/character is actually any good or not.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

KH was projected to beat Metroid Prime.

What? No it wasn't.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If you put anyone from Vagrant Story or Threads Of Fate or the like on the board, do you really think they'd fare well against any of the usual suspects who find their way to the top? Not counting Square characters already present, I'd imagine that new entrants from the Square frontier of old would get worked on a cult status level...almost like a CATS or Luca Blight run. Would you really vote for anyone from Saga Frontier over Duke Nukem? I wouldn't.

I'd vote for Mint from Dewprism over almost anyone in the contest, because she's just that awesome. And I'd vote for Callo or Mullenkamp from Vagrant Story over lots of characters based on pure TJF. But overall I agree with you. =)
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Contest Winner: Mega Man | Score: 27/29
Current Oracle ranking: 3nd | Pick: Ryu H with 53.43%

Looks like CATS sabotaged the poll. He still has a chance!

...Okay, so I just like that pic. Sue me. >_>
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Chaos Knight-Cerebral Insomniac of the CoS
summoner? wtf! summoner=Yuna Taru=midgit GaryPayton LA

It's almost worth sitting through the poll again just for the CATS picture.
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"All that sloshing around of internal organs, how does it not drive you insane?"--HK-47

HM is it really that important that you're home all day for Megaman vs. Tidus? Megaman is going to take it easy, so I don't know what you want to watch it for. Not like they're actually fighting, which probably wouldn't be exciting either. You check polls in the morning after you vote for Megaman, see that Megaman has a good 5-15% lead over Tidus, and then go to work happily knowing that Megaman moves on. I must be missing something. Help me out plz.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

What? No it wasn't.

With no extraneous factors added in, it certainly was.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1645

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1646

Since Starcraft basically=WW, give or take some tenths of a percent, KH is projected to beat Metroid Prime.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

CATS in the picture = best touch possible. Makes up for me thinking leaving the poll would've been the better choice.
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"All in all, sometimes it's a wonder that pesants[sic] actually live long enough to learn how to farm....."-mysterygilgamesh4
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Heh. Well, it's not like I'll have a whole day ruined or anything because I don't get to see Mega Man vs. Tidus. =p I hadn't even planned to stay home all day while the match was taking place, but I was looking forward to seeing just how well he would do (I need 60-65% to still be extremely confident in him winning) and the discussion.

I suppose it isn't that big of a deal, just something I was looking forward too. Plus, I'm totally against restarting the poll after this amount of time.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And yeah, that pic of CATS is funny as hell.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Nevermind. I thought you were talking about at the time, Kingdom 'Hearts was projected to beat Metroid Prime/Wind Waker.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Regardless of how you look at it, Kingdom Hearts would be projected to beat Metroid Prime. It does make me feel somewhat better about having that in my Spring Contest bracket, knowing I would've been right had it happened.

How is Vivi stronger here than Tommy Vercetti when a large number of people legitimately didn't know who Vivi was on the board?

Because there are plenty of people on this board who don't care to play Final Fantasy games. They know Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall because they're practically synonymous with their extremely popular (in the sense of being well-known) games. FFIX isn't as popular as its PS counterparts, so it's not surprising that someone who doesn't play FF games wouldn't be familiar with Vivi.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

And at least Heroic Mario doesn't have to mope around all day after seeing Tidus get 45% on Mega Man since the poll has been delayed. I'm still disappointed that it won't be on Labor Day since I won't be able to stay up for the start of it.

Instead, now I get to see how much SFF Mario will get on Bowser. Great.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Well I have mixed feelings about it. I don't like the poll restarting but I totally like Jill's chances of winning it now and I definently agree that cjay needed to do something. He did what he thought was right so I back that 100%. I dunno if megaman can pull 65% on Tidus. I've actually started to second guess my pick of Megaman over Snake this year...I guess I'll have to wait and see. The elite 8 will be quite the trip this year.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

And at least Heroic Mario doesn't have to mope around all day after seeing Tidus get 45% on Mega Man

Won't be happening. ;)
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

but I totally like Jill's chances of winning it now

...Why? From what I could tell by looking at the poll updates on creative's site, Hayabusa had been increasing his lead until CJayC stopped the poll.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

No, there really isn't. Every Square game in the Spring contest not defeated by another Square game made it to the Second round. KH was projected to beat Metroid Prime. We were a stones throw away from having every game with the FF title not defeated by another Square Title in the Sweet 16.

So you're trying to tell me that Secret of Mana was set to make a run to the elite 8 if Chrono Trigger wasn't holding it back? Most of the Square games in the contest are popular RPGs. And on an RPG heavy site, where most people go to help for those same RPGs, OF COURSE those games would do well in the contest. I don't see what you're trying to prove with that argument. FFs are the bread and butter of Square, so it's obvious that each of them had a chance to make the Sweet 16. Final Fantasy Tactics is extremely popular as well. FFTA? It would not have beaten any of the other 128-bit games that made it to the second round, and there are plenty of first round games that it couldn't have beat as well. In fact, it was the fourth WEAKEST game in the division. And games doing well doesn't necessarily mean their CHARACTERS will do well. For example...... (continued)

How many Square Characters are projected in the top twenty in the summer contests? I don't know off hand, but I'd bet a good deal it's atleast 7, and is probably eight if Auron is as strong as he appeared against Scorpion. How is Vivi stronger here than Tommy Vercetti when a large number of people legitimately didn't know who Vivi was on the board? Fans of any Square game/character tend to vote other Square games/Characters over things they don't care about or don't know about, even if they have no idea if the game/character is actually any good or not.

If people vote Square over anything, why did your NAMESAKE Ramza get a one-hitter quitter from Kirby? Auron and Vivi are from mainstream FF games. They aren't just liked because they are Square. Even though FFIX wasn't the TOP selling FF game, it still sold well over a million. People on this site know who Vivi is, which is why he beat Donkey Kong. How else would everybody else know he was even Square if he wasn't known at all? Because he's a Black Mage? If you haven't noticed by now, all the Square characters outside of Sora come from either a FF or Chrono Trigger. If Fei Fong Wong or Ashley from Vagrant Story were in the contest tearing it up, THEN you would have a point.....

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Man, Heroic Mario, you're on a rampage. I was just in CJ's topic and you were pissed and I'm with you. The fact that when the poll was almost over and he's restarting it really upsets me. The fact that he has a site and is to negligent to check and see if somethings wrong is just dimwitted. He should at least carry over the votes from today to be fair.
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"Who you callin Mr. Mr. T?"-FFVII's Barret after my sister named him Mr. T

Won't be happening. ;)

Glad to know you won't be letting the results get you down then. I guess you've come to realize that Tidus's mid-40s is inevitable.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I actually think Hayabusa will win by even more than what he had when the poll stopped.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Because there are plenty of people on this board who don't care to play Final Fantasy games. They know Cloud, Sephiroth, and Squall because they're practically synonymous with their extremely popular (in the sense of being well-known) games. FFIX isn't as popular as its PS counterparts, so it's not surprising that someone who doesn't play FF games wouldn't be familiar with Vivi.

Then why did he beat DK by more than 10% of the vote, especially considering he was the biggest first round upset in Summer Contest history? My theory would be that even though many people have never played FF9, they recognize the Black Mage type character from other Square games(and other locations on the internet) and vote for that image.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

I dunno if megaman can pull 65% on Tidus. I've actually started to second guess my pick of Megaman over Snake this year...

Yeesh, people underestimate Tidus even here. If Mega Man gets in the upper 50's on the whiney one, he's pretty much a lock to beat Snake. Even if he only hits 55%, he'd definitely still be the favorite. If he gets in the lower 50's, only then will a Snake upset become possible. All of this assumes that Snake didn't change radically.

...

The first person to mention Twin Snakes get shot.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

It's odd to even think that Squall is a popular character to me. Sure the game is good, but from what I've heard from FF junkies, FF8 is sub par. So then I think to myself, "why did i buy it?" And then I remember that it's the freaking next game after FF7. This may seem kind of out there, but I actually think that FF7 plays a huge roll in Squall's popularity. FF8's characters seem to be a little lacking in personality IMHO. I mean cmon....Irvine? Zell? Quistis? Not even Seifer would do that well in the Character Contest. Squall says kthx to ff7. gg. opinion.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 37,179.9 ||
SC2K4 24 / 29 Next Pick: Jill Valentine

Glad to know you won't be letting the results get you down then. I guess you've come to realize that Tidus's mid-40s is inevitable.

Only if Mega Man, for odd reasons, stayed the same as he was last year. I still think at the least he should be able to return to his 2002 numbers. Of course, I expect the increase to exceed that but at the least.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Then why did he beat DK by more than 10% of the vote, especially considering he was the biggest first round upset in Summer Contest history?

I was talking about people on the board because that's the group you mentioned not knowing who Vivi is. The casual voters know who he is because Final Fantasy is extremely popular with them.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Poll Re-do?!?

****ing weak...

Oh well, just a better chance for Ryu to cream Jill.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Ryu vs. Jill - Bracket: Ryu - Vote: Jill (27/29)

...I bought Twin Snakes. It's a good game.

HM, when did you suddenly become a proponent of characters returning to 2002 levels? Just a couple of days ago, you seemed opposed to the idea of at least the elite characters doing that.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'm not in favor of them returning there, I was simply saying that his increase should at least get him back to that point in strength.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

...I bought Twin Snakes. It's a good game.

As did I, but it's not going to make Snake much stronger.
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Current Pick: Hayabusa; Current Vote: Hayabusa; Points: 28/29
Ninjas > you.

If people vote Square over anything, why did your NAMESAKE Ramza get a one-hitter quitter from Kirby? Auron and Vivi are from mainstream FF games. They aren't just liked because they are Square. Even though FFIX wasn't the TOP selling FF game, it still sold well over a million. People on this site know who Vivi is, which is why he beat Donkey Kong. How else would everybody else know he was even Square if he wasn't known at all? Because he's a Black Mage? If you haven't noticed by now, all the Square characters outside of Sora come from either a FF or Chrono Trigger. If Fei Fong Wong or Ashley from Vagrant Story were in the contest tearing it up, THEN you would have a point.....

My points already been made by the fact that Aya Brea of Parasite Eve can almost beat DK. As for the reason Ramza lost, (and call me a fanboy if you must, but I happen to believe he should be given another shot, cause if Ness can get a 6 seed, there's no reason he shouldn't. Won't happen with the ten character limit though) there are a couple of possibilities, including that FFT didn't sell enough copies for people to recognize him as Square, and the I believe the picture CJay used for Ramza was not the one he had on the back of the FFT box. I don't know if that's true, but it is one theory.

With Sora, neither of the above reasons would be a problem. And as I stated in a previous post, I do, in fact, think people recognize Vivi as a black mage character, and vote for him because of it.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

Twin Snakes changed my vote too Liquid in the Frog/LS match and I shall now vote for Snake over almost all characters.
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In other news, Fett0001 is my second God. Right behind lettuce Kefka. - UltimaterializerX

I still think at the least he should be able to return to his 2002 numbers.

In otherwords, Mega Man should stay be staying the same as he's always been.

My points already been made by the fact that Aya Brea of Parasite Eve can almost beat DK.
Yeah, the fact that Aya Brea > Ramza really threw me off. I figured Vivi would be more like Ramza on the popularity scale.

Oh, and let me note that Ramza just might be weaker than Kefka...you never know.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I believe the picture CJay used for Ramza was not the one he had on the back of the FFT box. I don't know if that's true, but it is one theory.

Nope, I just went and look on the back of my FFT case, and it's the same picture Ramza got against Kirby. Even so, if you have a copy of the game to look at, then you obviously know who Ramza is. I don't know what you're trying to get at with that one.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Oh, and let me note that Ramza just might be weaker than Kefka...you never know.

Just the thought of that makes me sad. Ramza is 2nd only to Squall in my book on list of favorite characters.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

W00t, this topic is insane... anyhoo... hey Ulti.
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Uh-oh... <('_')> ..... ¬<('.'¬<) ... I think he wants to shoot me.

Nope, I just went and look on the back of my FFT case, and it's the same picture Ramza got against Kirby. Even so, if you have a copy of the game to look at, then you obviously know who Ramza is. I don't know what you're trying to get at with that one.

If you'd only looked at the cover of the game, so you knew it was square, if he'd had the other character art the argument could be made that people who knew FFT was a Square game wouldn't recognize him as the character in that game. Nevermind, I was wrong and it's a weak argument anyway.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

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In otherwords, Mega Man should stay be staying the same as he's always been.

If Mega Man would have been at that point all along and then got the boost from there I'd certainly be happy. Make no mistake, I'm still expecting him to take this.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yeah, I'd imagine Mega Man would receive at least a small boost, kinda like Solid Snake did after Twin Snakes (though that wasn't very big at all).

A Part 46 Topic has been made.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

I have Ryu in my bracket, but I want Jill to win...

...Because I have Sora winning next round. Yeah.

*kisses his bracket goodbye*
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This space reserved for the Summer Guru Contest winner!

Nevermind. I didn't realize it had been made way earlier today. I've barely been on all day.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I'd imagine it'd be easier for many people to intake his increase to the point of being able to take on Link if he only had to go around 8% (42% to 50%).
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Is there any reason to believe tomorrow's poll will go any differently from the results today?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cool.
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The Gord is my god!

Meh.
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Is there any reason to believe tomorrow's poll will go any differently from the results today?

Anti-Ryu votes will come because he was winning today.
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The Gord is my god!

Are we done here?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby