I'm just in time, it seems.

Stats websites:

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.sc2k4.com

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

Stats topics:

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason3.htm

Spring 2004 Contest:
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats2.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats3.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats4.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats5.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats6.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats7.htm
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats8.htm

MMXcalibur's Prophet Sites:
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

!yawA tsoP
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Officiality.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Poor MasterMage...
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Reggie: Kicking ass and taking names since E3 2004.
Nominate Kapp'n (Animal Crossing) for SC2K5!

It seems to have stabilized around 52.5% for now.
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

Eh, well, either way. I'm rather unconcerned about the topic as long as I have a place to talk.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

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Go Joe!
This is a win-win. Tails in bracket, prefer joe. Heh.
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Because how could I not do this forbidden thing, when it feels so good!

Lose-Lose for me. I prefer and have Joe in my bracket :(
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The only reason this is here is because posts without sigs look ugly.

y helo thar similar name.

Wouldn't it be win win if you picked Joe and he won?
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Admiral of the Spartan-II Army, proud member of the Hylian Knights
24/27 in the Summer Contest 2k4

This is starting to worry me.
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SC2k4 Winner: Sephiroth
Status: 25/26 Next Pick: Viewtiful Joe

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As it should *sigh* I can't believe this!
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Score: 24/24 Leaderboard: 27
Upcoming picks: Sonic, Ryu, Viewtful Joe, Dante

Hmm, this isn't a good turn of events. Lead past 500 now. I was feeling quite confident about this division as well.
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Jon Thomson - today: Ryu, tomorrow: Viewtiful Joe - 20/25
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Heh, I show up on the Top 50 list for one day and now it appears I will be dropping off again. I think I at least lasted a couple of days in 2002, didn't I? Ah well.

today's current results sicken and anger me. not because i have Joe in my bracket. not because i was foolish enough to take Joe over Dante, too. not because Viewtiful Joe is an awesome character that would kick the living crap out of that ***** Tails everyday of the week. it's because i absolutely hate Tails. he's up there with Squall for my personal most hated character. bah. i can't watch this match anymore.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

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Just one thing to say:

From: Heroic Mario Posted 8/26/2004
Nada, Joe has this one won

It sure looks like he does ;)

I don't see why so many people thought Joe would win >_>
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Ahem! There's LETTUCE on my boots!
http://www.geocities.com/lettucekefka/

i have never seen a match called so unanimously, so decisively, so soon, with such a small lead.

i am viewing the board at 8am eastern time. tails has a lead of under 1000, but it's still growing. certainly every indication is that tails will continue to pull away, and win the match.

what i find interesting is the total lack of "it's not over yet" sentiment on the board, as i type this. i don't remember ever seeing the followers of a character give up so completely, so soon. and those supporters are there - yesterday, the board had plenty of people predicting a joe victory.


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Proud member of Baby 8

I KNEW IT! I knew I should've stuck with Tails. Dammit.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 024/025 - Matches: 24/25 - Rank: 00128/33221 - Today: Ryu - Tomorrow: Joe

And according to the BOP, this is a bigger first round upset than Starcraft beating Halo.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

This pleases me to watch, especially after all the guru predictions about how it was beyond obvious that Joe was going to win a more than likely no-sweat victory.

I picked Tails, expecting 52/48 over Joe and I stand by it. :)
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"I don't know who you are but I thank you for arousing me." -- Terranigma

Tag.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Thank god, I switched Joe to Dante as the winner of next round at the last minute.
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Nominate Geno for the Summer Contest!
All Your pH level>7 Are Belong To Us. - DarkRaptorX

From: Slowflake | Posted: 8/27/2004 5:01:07 AM | Message Detail
And according to the BOP, this is a bigger first round upset than Starcraft beating Halo.


This pleases me.


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"Yeah, there seems to be some sort of pink...my god...my god! IT ATE JOHNSON! ~BluesASC on Kirbyzilla

This pleases me to watch, especially after all the guru predictions about how it was beyond obvious that Joe was going to win a more than likely no-sweat victory.

I picked Tails, expecting 52/48 over Joe and I stand by it. :)

Bingo for me, too. Even the prediction fits what I thought.
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Supporting both Earthworm Jim AND Mega Man in 2004
Spring Contest Score: 151/192

What was the BOP for Starcraft/Halo?
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

The BOP had Halo, 67-35. Today it was 83-36 for Joe.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

tag
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...and it begins! 191/192 (stupid Ness) Next tough match: V. JOE vs. Tails

SC2K4 FIRST DRAFT - PAGE 28 - (4) DANTE SPARDA vs. (13) RATCHET

Disclaimer: This preview series may contain mildly offensive stuff, as well as SPOILERS, not only for the characters discussed, but other stuff as well.

The last topic went by so fast, I could only write one preview in it. But moving on...

Today we enter a character that doesn't get much love on the board. And it's not because of the guy himself... I think you can figure out what I'm talking about.

<(^.^<)

(>^.^)>

^(^.^)^

v(^.^)v

But I digress.

Dante has always been at the heart of really hard-to-call second round matches; that's his claim to fame. First year against Crono. Jesus, were we off. Had Dante been able to compete with Crono, that would've meant Dante = Mario. It's funny just thinking about it. The following year, he had a much weaker opponent in Ryu. And despite the first round results projecting a Dante victory, he still blew it. This year he gets an even easier draw in Tails. I can hardly see him losing this time... but if Auron's recent performance suggests that Tails has been underestimated all along, we could be in for a surprise or two.

But for now Tails is the least of Dante's worries... wait... no he is not. Ratchet is not a character to worry about. He got tripled by Luigi for Pete's sake. And unless I'm shown otherwise, Dante > Luigi. The only thing that may make Ratchet look a bit better is Going Commando. That's it. Period. Ratchet is gonna loooooooose, Clank or no Clank. Hey, I say if Ratchet is allowed to have Clank in his pic, then Tails should be allowed to have Omochao.

Since I didn't say anything funny in that preview... I'll just link to something that is.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=15886392&message=166848009

Looks like someone watched a wee bit too much Perfect Kirby.

NUMBERS OF INTEREST

SC2K3 extrapolated standings
21. Dante Sparda - 27.32%
57. Ratchet - 12.44%
Projection: Dante with 77.23%

Board Odds Project picks (119 brackets)
Dante Sparda - 118
Ratchet - 1

Board Odds Project point value
14. Dante Sparda - 312
49. Ratchet - 1

CONTEST TRIVIA

Dante is the only character to have entered all three contests with the same seed every time.
Among returning contestants from 2003, Ratchet is second to last (last is Ryo, duh).
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

Ugh, this match is looking more like Ness-Jak part II all the time.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

this is the first time that i recall where competing "contest stats and discussion: part 43" topics have survived beyond 20 posts each.

see http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=15945802
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Proud member of Baby 8

What, we're having twin topics?

*puts stamp of approval on Ulti's*
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

Ummmm.... can bittersweet define this match?

Tails victory does prove that overall the Sonic series is still going strong in popularity.... just not on this board. I know it's not REALLY proof since Joe is an unknown, but he WAS a huge favorite for this match. This match isn't over yet. I HOPE Joe can pull it off. I can't stand Tails. Outside of Amy, Big, Cream, Tails is my least favorite Sonic character. I know I said it before, but Sega turned him into a complete WUSS. Look at his theme song:

When I'm alone in my chair I just go about wishing
I wanna be strong I really wanna be trusted
When all alone in my bed I just go about yearning
I wanna be cool I also wanna be like him

But thats not something I can do so easily
This is not simply my way my style gotta get a hold of my life

I wanna fly high
So I can reach the highest of all the heavens
Somebody will be
Waiting for me so I've gotta fly higher

Tails touches himself at night. o_O

Well, I'm happy that there is still SOME unpredictability in this contest.

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

The closer this match got, the more uncertain I was getting. I couldn't figure out why people thought Ness over Jak was a certainty because nobody cares about platformers, and yet they were so certain about Viewtiful Joe over Tails.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

This is an outrage...Tails so does not deserve to win this...i mean what is it with these idiot fanboys around this site!!!???

Tails could not hold Joe's cape! Nonworthy worthless rodent..right up there with that Insignificant Bandicoot.

I am totally disgusted right now.

But I was RIGHT about one thing..20 perfects fell to Ryu!
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 107 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

After seeing the results, perhaps sales DO matter. Viewtiful Joe sold something like 200,000 for GameCube. Either that or there are lots of people like me who think V. Joe is kinda lame. Well, at the very least, I should've always assumed he was weaker than Alucard EVER was.

I can't wait to see the guru leaderboard now, or the Top 50, for that matter. It doesn't look likely we'll have any 192-points brackets now. ;)

I'm sure Dante could outdo Luigi of last year against Ratchet. Even so, I wonder if Luigi might be stronger this year? He was infamous for dropping massively in percentage during the day, and he didn't against Pac-Man.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."

Is Heroic Mario perfect as of now? hypotheticly speaking that tails did win today?
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Score:25/26 Todays Pick: Tails
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

Tails touches himself at night. o_O

While thinking about Sonic, no less. ^^

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

I want to see Heroic Mario today, I want to discuss with him, we have to flame each other about the upcoming Sonic VS Ryu match..
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 24/26

Nope, Heroic Mario's bracket took its first loss today.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

We might have a zero bracket though. I think at least one of the zeros picked Joe.
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Tanner. The only guy Gordon can call a loser and not sound like a hypocrite. - Slowflake

Boo yah, so Ulti and Heroic Mario are gone off the perfects if tails wins.
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Score:25/26 Todays Pick: Tails
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

Ulti lost his perfect on DK-Vivi. This is his 2nd loss.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Eh? The remaining zero people have been identified? Who are they?

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Also, the women all have beards. Either that, or there are no dwarven women. Yeah, I could see that. This is Suikoden after all. -http://videogamerecaps.com

oh my!

The thing about the bracket on this account is that I thought I had Vivi, even posted a big explanitory bracket with Vivi, supported Vivi through out the entire contest, then I come back from a week away, and see a BIG FAT RED "DK". I literlly screamed and rubbed my eyes to see if it was a mistake but no, Somehow I picked DK to win.

DAMN YOU SCROLL KEY!!!
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Score:25/26 Todays Pick: Tails
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

Look at the leaderboard now... 48 picks for a big three character, that brave ol' HK-47 bracket, and...

48 wivikingsfan 26 Tidus

Yes people, one of the perfects has Tightass for the championship. LMAO.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

It's a smarter pick than HK-47, that's for sure.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

After seeing the results, perhaps sales DO matter. Viewtiful Joe sold something like 200,000 for GameCube. Either that or there are lots of people like me who think V. Joe is kinda lame. Well, at the very least, I should've always assumed he was weaker than Alucard EVER was.

Yeah, I was thinking about that, but then I look at Ness/Jak. But then Ness obviously includes the popularity of SSB and SSBM. But then look at Vivi/DK.... But Vivi is a well-liked character from a FF game that DID sell well over a million copies... There are a lot of variables that can be applied to this.

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Of course it is. But the general opinion of this board on Tidus makes this all the more hilarious.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

Heh, look at the prediction percentages for Mega Man, Tidus, Sonic, and Ryu. Almost the exact same percentage expected these 2nd round matchups to happen, and they're the ones we've been debating on how high the lower seed can get on the 1.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Heheheh... Tidus.

Anyway, if Mega Man wins, I think we can safely say that the winner won't have a perfect bracket.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

And I am disgusted that 7 people of the Cream of the Crop have Sephiroth, HK-47, or Tidus.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

And Sephiroth will be the only character that matters, hopefully.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Another thing...We waited until nearly half the first round to get a seeding upset, and now we get two in a row, though this is the first legitimate seeding "upset" because the other two were expected.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Putting Sephiroth in the same bag as HK or Tidus is like putting Molson in the same bag as Budweiser or Aquafina.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

What would be funny is if the guy with HK-47 had Tails.

I was thinking the same thing. Even funnier would be if the guy who has Tidus picked Tails.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Well, I'm not gonna say "Told ya so," but I think we all get one day to gloat.

















Told ya so!

And for the record, I voted for Joe.
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"It was a good fight for you, but an easy win for me."--Terry Bogard

Yes! Now all I need is for Jill to win her match, and I'll have a perfect first round.
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Summer Contest 2004: 26/26/192 ----- Rank: T-1 ----- Today's Pick: Tails

I had a feeling this would happen as soon as Jak lost. You can say all you want about Joe having a Fanbase and all that other stuff, but the sad truth is that in order for Joe to beat Tails you had to think that new characters in general could attract large numbers of fans who didn't know about or didn't like the weaker old school characters. To chose Joe is to root for Jak and vise versa.

I don't regret picking Joe though, and I brought it on myself. I thought that badass new action characters like Jak and V. Joe might take after Dante and show up with a large fanbase. I was wrong.

Ryu Hayabusa is next up on the "overhyped recent action character" chopping block, and the only real question is whether his higher seed and old school background can give him enough of a boost to beat Jill. I don't think they will, but again when I picked Ryu, I based my pick on a certain assumption. That assumption has been proven incorrect. I simply thank whatever providence induced me to pick Sora to come out of that fourpack.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

unlike joe and jak though ryu has old school games.. and this site loves old school for the most part..
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If you're worried people are talking about you... you're probably right.

*sadness* At least my alt has Tails. (but I already had two losses on my alt...)
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I'm sorry If I sound all Stalker like. I just want to be loyal.
Married SemiFinal vs Belarus on 6/1/04

If he's as weak as Joe and Jak are, his obscure oldschool past would need to be able to get him around 15%. Because of his higher seed, I'll lower that to 7-8 %, but it's still a tall order. Who knows, it might happen. But CJ's pic isn't gonna help him any with that, I don't think the old character looked anything like that.

Oh, and in fairness to Joe, I don't think there can be any doubt now that SFF effected Auron, and by extension, Tails. There's still no way to prove that as of yet, but, I really do think Joe is stronger than this makes him look, and the only possible explanation is SFF and/or Sonic resurgence. With the Sonic resurgence though, you have to explain why Knux and Shadow went down. We should have a better picture of what effected who in the next round or so.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

One guy with unique score today. But it won't last very long, because tomorrow I'm gonna have 9 points.
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The legend will live forever
www.eddiemeduza.se

Yeah I'm kinda worried about Ryu, but only time will tell, I was right about Vivi and I was right about Tails, so hopefully my luck will continue.

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Current SC2K4 Score: 25/26
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

I simply thank whatever providence induced me to pick Sora to come out of that fourpack.

Tsk tsk. Sora can NOT beat Jill.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

Well at least I like Tails better and the saying TNW is now not true
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

I never understood why Tails was laughed at like he was Gordon Freeman. I always thought he could win a match with the right opponent. I just doubted that Joe would be that opponent.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

This is sort of messed up just because Joe was so widely supported on the boards. But when you think about it, this just once again proves that brackets mean nothing as far as votes. Sure, bracket picks make it closer, but the common vote seems to be very strong in this years contest. People know Tails very very well. So odds are if you're just randomly showing up at gamefaqs, you're like...oh some guy with a weird name...or that dood from sonic 2. and without even thinking, tails gets a vote. This brings on tons and tons of hope to people who have jill as an upset pick, but man it sucks to lose another point here. MMX knew it all along. I expect the %'s for bracket picks to be even lower than dk / vivi on this match. 30% maybe less.
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Mario Sunshine-120 Shines || BtT 3:44.87 || HRC 36,265.2 ||
SC2K4 22 / 26 Next Pick: Viewtiful Joe

Sonic resurgence though, you have to explain why Knux and Shadow went down.\

I'm confused..how did Knux go down again? Knux beat Kefka.

Maybe VJ just sucks that hard as of now, I'd really hate to say it....to tell you the damn truth, I only heard of Viewtiful Joe through arguments comparing him with Billy Hathcer on the Billy Hatcher board. That's it...I don't even know why I picked him anymore!!!!!!

And also...the only new characters that have moved to the second round so far are from Square. Oh noes...

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I'm confused..how did Knux go down again? Knux beat Kefka.

Not by nearly as much as expected, duh.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

NOOOOO!

I wanted to get on the leaderboard...just once...I think I'm going to cry myself to sleep tonight.

I officially hate Tails now.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Grrr...I am madder than a fat kid at the back of the lunch line! This is madness...3 points lost by the Satirical One...grrrr baaah!

Shadow losing I could accept...he fought well and kept it close...

But Nes...grr...and now Tails...this aint right! For all that is holy, this just aint right! Flippin rodent sidekick piece of trash!
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 127 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

I think Knuckles drop from 2002-2003 wasn't true people who saw the match in 2002 knew who was going to win by a big margin so they wanted to go in with the crowd and vote Snake
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

I'm ahead of you!

Um..anyways, screw Tails!

*stomps on a stuffed Tails*


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Damn the boards and damn the BOP for making me switch from Tails to Joe! And as I said earlier, but nobody listened to me, this match is playing out exactly like Ness-Jak: weak vet versus untested newbie with potential. Yes, Ness has SSB and SSBM to bring in extra votes, and Joe hasn't sold very well, but the end result was the same: the overall more well-known character came out on top. I'm happy for Tails because I actually like him (I've only played Sonic 1-3 and S&K, and I have distant memories of having watched the cartoon as a little kid, so Tails' being turned into a wuss in recent games hasn't affected me), and I've yet to play VJ.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

Well I think we will have 50 perfects left after today...that is my bold prediction :(
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

I think we should probably hold off on all this Knuckles stuff until Yoshi Vs. Luigi, because that weird Pac-Man/Kefka/Luigi/Knuckles quartet is two weird to glean anything from.
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See Quote

*too.
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See Quote

I expect non-perfects to be in the top 50 tomorrow...
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Score - Brackets - % Right
25 --- 127 ------ 83.46456693
24 --- 874 ------ 69.33638444
23 --- 2243 ----- 67.67721801
22 --- 4023 ----- 66.96495153
21 --- 5276 ----- 67.77862017
20 --- 5797 ----- 69.98447473
19 --- 5146 ----- 71.60901671
18 --- 3958 ----- 72.71349166
17 --- 2617 ----- 73.06075659
16 --- 1484 ----- 72.84366577
15 --- 779 ------ 73.68421053
14 --- 427 ------ 74.70725995
13 --- 157 ------ 72.61146497
12 --- 82 ------- 78.04878049
11 --- 41 ------- 70.73170732
10 --- 17 ------- 76.47058824
9 ---- 6 -------- 83.33333333
8 ---- 5 -------- 0
7 ---- 5 -------- 40
6 ---- 5 -------- 40
5 ---- 27 ------- 44.44444444
4 ---- 22 ------- 45.45454545
3 ---- 37 ------- 18.91891892
2 ---- 32 ------- 34.375
1 ---- 32 ------- 28.125
0 ---- 2 -------- 0

The perfects did much better than the average again, with only 21 of 127 picking KOS-MOS over Ryu. Both zeroes remained imperfect, but 9 of the 32 people with a score of one picked up another point.

misterdrgn (1st), Antifreeze23 (4th), rvdisthebest (15th), Jase0 (17th), luburulz (24th), duffloes (25th), kikomman4meals (28th), Linkman 145 (29th), FOBish AZn GUy (35th), MiraiXelloss (36th), meb78910 (42nd), and Balrog0 (49th) all fell off the top 50. They were replaced by Tien The Mighty, Internet King, solarshadow, JCal, dirtysanchez08, RaidenZeroX, dragon user27, Crushed Cookies, Unlizened RAVe, wivikingsfan, Junkcar02, and Tjian.

As already pointed out, Fireblade02, who picked HK-47 to win it all, moved up from 20th to 16th, and newcomer wivikingsfan picked Tidus as champion.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

We may have even less than 50. We may drop to around 25 or so. This was a huge upset, I think.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

maybe I will actually show up on the freakin leaderboard tommorow, My alt is still perfect
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Score:25/26 Todays Pick: Tails
Token Regis Philbin of Board 8

I think Tails will be the overall more popular bracket choice...but more than half the perfects may fall anyway.
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These days, the geekier I get, the more employable I get. So calling me a geek is not an insult, but a statement of hope. Level 1: Petrifier (105 points)

This may just be me, but I think Tails is the favorite
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Ulti who did youpick?

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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I picked Joe, but I'm loving that Tails will win this. The only real benefit to winning one of these things in the past (aside from the prize) is that you can actually sit back and enjoy these types of upsets instead of being mad at yourself for not seeing it coming.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Wow, I am finally in the top 50. Looks like I should get to stay there until the Ryu vs Jill match at least.
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Happiness is like peeing on yourself. Everyone can see it, but only you feel it's warmth.

But it can't hurt to have another 400$ lining your pockets can it? ;x

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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

(Obviously I am jsut being bitter because I'll never see my name on the leaderboard now..)

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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I think Tails will be the general bracket favorite, but I think there's going to be an awful lot of perfects falling here. Joe was the heavy favorite in the BOP and the Guru brackets; it seems to me that casual bracketmakers would pick Tails and the more experienced ones would go with Joe. There's going to be chaos on the leaderboard tomorrow.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

^^^That is true. But Knuckles was the underdog by a good 14% against Kefka. I would think Tails would have a similar 44% prediction percentage, possibly even lower due to the seeding difference.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I could easily see the perfects doing worse than the averager brackets in this match. I think about half of all the brackets will have called this right, while at the same time i wont be surprised if we drop down to 40 or so perfects.
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2k4 - The Summer of Sephiroth.

My bracket cries... but I feel like this isn't THAT bad after all. I doubt many will have perfects after this, and ever more so I doubt that there will be many if any at all the will have a mirror bracket with only Tails over Joe as the difference. Unlike some others, my chances of winning won't be null if Tails wins this.

Oh, and for the vortex guy, I gotta point out... the last time Heroic Mario admited defeat in the end his pick made a sudden jump and won the match... HM is bad at calling matches.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Even worse than Slowflake? XD
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

This might well send me bottom of the Guru standings. Useless Joe.
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Jon Thomson - today: Viewtiful Joe, tomorrow: Dante - 21/26
Nominate Ridley for Summer Contest 2005

Can we safely consider Joe fodder? If he's gonna return last year, he'll probably return as a 12-15 seed.
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I lost my perfect bracket! Now I'm going to get pwned by <insert username here> in the Guru Contest! Ugh!!!

You must travel back in time.

XD
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Damn it! I mean next year, not last year.
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I lost my perfect bracket! Now I'm going to get pwned by <insert username here> in the Guru Contest! Ugh!!!

the last time Heroic Mario admited defeat in the end his pick made a sudden jump and won the match...

Wasn't the last time he did that the SC/WW match, where he had WW winning? Or did I miss something, like I almost always do?
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BtT: 3:59.15 | HRC: 50,053.8 ft OV aaaargh
Crash.

Can we safely consider Joe fodder? If he's gonna return last year, he'll probably return as a 12-15 seed.

I think we'll have to wait and see what he'll do next year once VJ2 will come out. He doesn't even look like real fodder this year...
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SpC2k4 - Triple Crown Winner! (Spread Betting, Betting, Oracle),
SC2k4 Oracle Challenge - Topic ID : 15923895

"Can we safely consider Joe fodder?"

No, as has been pointed out time and again there is a good chance we have underestimated Tails. As it stands we could almost safely say that Auron's SFF last year combined with Scorpion's return to 2k2 levels puts Auron at Tidus' level. If that's true then Tails is in contention for the upper 32, and by not beating Joe that badly that put Joe within range of low-mid. Really, as it stands Joe would put up a damn good fight against KOS-MOS.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Thought you guys would like this:

Oracle stats
Consensus : Viewtiful Joe with 53.04%
53 picks for Viewtiful Joe, 13 for Tails

For the sake of comparison, Starcraft was the underdog by 13-56, 11-49 & 5-51 in the three matches it won last year.
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Last time I recall HM outright admitting defeat far to early was MvC2
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

So if Tails gets past Dante will that make him the Starcraft of this contest? Or will have to beat Sonic as well?
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I chose the road less traveled -- now where the heck am I?
A Picture Is Worth 1,000 Words, But It Uses Up a Thousand Times the Memory

Tails beating Joe is already a WTF moment for me, but beating Dante would net him the OMFG U SKRUWD MY BRAKIT award outright.

And I'm going with the flow: I expect the people who are already missing a few points to do much better than the perfects and the -1s.

How did the perfects and other groups do on Kefka/Knuckles, anyway?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

If Tails gets past Dante the world is comming to an end.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Don't get me wrong; I love upsets.

I just HATE Tails. And by that, I don't just mean regular hate. I'm talkin' "I'd rather be chemically castrated while having a vulture poke my eyes out" hate.
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I hope Tails wins... I'm STILL mad about how Shadow ended up.

Rather than seeing Tails win?

O_o
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In short, Luigi was never cool. Ever. Except for in the original Smash Brothers when he ****ing owned everything at will. ~ Ulti

They were replaced by Tien The Mighty, Internet King, solarshadow, JCal, dirtysanchez08, RaidenZeroX, dragon user27, Crushed Cookies, Unlizened RAVe, wivikingsfan, Junkcar02, and Tjian.

Solarshadow is up there now? Weren't you guys waiting for him to start making these topics for awhile...?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Damn right. How he got a single vote is beyond me, let alone falling 1500 votes short.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

On a side note, I think we're going to have to consider Jill the favorite in her match now...
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Jill win either. Three more points down the drain...
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

They were replaced by Tien The Mighty, Internet King, solarshadow, JCal, dirtysanchez08, RaidenZeroX, dragon user27, Crushed Cookies, Unlizened RAVe, wivikingsfan, Junkcar02, and Tjian.

Cough. Sorry, another shameless plug for myself before I leave for the day.
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There isn't as of yet any reason to do as much. Please, there isn't need to jump to conclussions like that. As it stands if Tails was as underrated by Auron/Cloud SFF as is expected then Joe is only falling 2% short of the mark I had set for him. I expected Joe to be at Felix's level, give or take, and didn't take into account how Tails would increase. Had I known such a thing would happen to Tails I'd have put him ahead in a nail-biter as opposed to Joe.

I have yet to overrate any newcomer's performance in comparison to 2k3 standings, I have however underrated some returning characters who didn't look as good in 2k3 as they do now.

Jill would have to take a significant boost from her 2k3 numbers for me to believe she's the favorite. Jill would also have to be capable of breaking her own personal vote record in a year with lower vote totals.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well, once again my utmost confidence in my pick pays off. Now for Ryu Hayabusa. He should win. I'm 95% sure he will win. If Jill wins, I will be sad. Oh and to everyone who was curious as to why I made another topic before Ulti did, he said that if he hadn't been posting for a while and the other topic was almost full, someone should make it. Then charmander suggested someone make it so I did. Not like it really makes a difference either way but I'd rather not give people a reason to dislike me.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

I don't expect Jill to still be extraordinarily popular, but I am counting on Ryu H. being extremely overrated. Think Ness vs Jak.

That's why I think Jill will win.
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These days, the geekier I get, the more employable I get. So calling me a geek is not an insult, but a statement of hope. Level 1: Petrifier (105 points)

UGH....Tails winning, this will be my second point loss behind Shadow VS Tidus.
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Supporting Nintendo for this year's Summer Contest!

"Think Ness vs Jak."

Except Jak wasn't overrated. Most people who knew what they were talking about took Ness, as evidenced by the gurus.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

W00t go Tails ^_^.

Since I haven't posted here is aaaages here are my views on the first 8 of the noble 9.

Link - Slightly stronger then last year. I can't see anyone beating him in this contest

Crono - About the same as last year. His result in Conker seemed poor but I think that Crono does up his game aganist Mario so his position in the noble 9 is safe this year

Mario - Not bad.. I think JC is more popular then people credit him for on a PC board. Mario will lose to Link anyway and finish about equal to Crono.

Cloud He has dropped a long long way. The anti votes have mounted and at the moment if previous rankings are truthful a Cloud v Sonic match would be almost level.

Sephiroth Sly Cooper is possibly the weakest character in the contest. And I fail to see that Sly could be any stronger then Tanner never mind a huge amount. Seph has dropped quite a bit but not as much as Cloud.

Snake Hard to say. He hasn't any anti-votes which is always good. I would imagine that he has increased and is perhaps on course for finishing above the FF boys?

Mega Man Dropped slightly. 82% aganist Jim is good if your expecting to make the sweet 16 but Megaman should be getting an extra 5%. Could struggle aganist Snake.

Sonic I did research on this and since Terry bogard got 33% aganist Aya (which is the same as 33% aganist D.K) in 2002 the rankings would suggest that Sonic would get 76%. So he has increased! Wether he has increased enough to beat Samus remains to be seen.



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... i_i
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Current Score: 24/26
Today's Pick: Viewtiful Joe

Smurf, haven't we already determined that your method of deducing character stength is a joke thereby nullifying any and all comments you make?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yeah. I mean, Cloud didn't even do 2 points below what's expected and suddenly he's third tier. What a ****ing joke.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

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Why delete the truth, Doma?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Out of fear of moderation, that's why.

Oh, and yay for Tails. I knew he was better than other people thought. That isn't to say that he's strong or anything, but I'm glad that he may turn out to not be fodder after all.
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Tsk tsk. Sora can NOT beat Jill.

If he got SFF'd the way Auron and Kefka appear to have been, there's no reason to think he can't.

He got put up against a more popular and cooler character from the same company that also made a great cameo appearance in his game. Why would Auron and Kefka get hit, but Sora not? It was a risk, but I'm seeing more evidence all the time that it was a good one.
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Theifenburg Uncertainty Principle - Without any witnesses, who's to say what happened?

The more I think about it, Alucard is the anomaly here. There just doesn't seem to be anyone like him. No other cult characters can do that well (Joe could never beat Kirby), and perhaps it is foolish to think they could reach his level.

BTW V Joe could safely be considered cult, right?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I never thought I'd say this but choosing between Tails and Scorpion would be a nightmare.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Doma, what was it you said there? Just say it in a way that can't get you moderated.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Smurf, haven't we already determined that your method of deducing character stength is a joke thereby nullifying any and all comments you make?

No my method is correct, my style and presentation is a mixture of bias and inaccuracy.

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^ Smurf, The cream of Sonic fanboyism ™

Don't say never, Jon, VJ has another game on the way. He's primed to build himself. If he makes it back next year it may be tough to correctly predict a match with him in it.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"No my method is correct, my style and presentation is a mixture of bias and inaccuracy."

That inaccuracy also extends to the first half of your sentence as well.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Cloud has dropped quite a bit, he should have gotted an extra 6% aganist Duke then what he did.

Duke and Terry Bogard are about the same (they would both get around 33% aganist D.K).

Sonic got 80% aganist Terry so..

Sonic = Cloud ?



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^ Smurf, The cream of Sonic fanboyism ™

Viewtiful Joe is not cult.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Don't say never, Jon, VJ has another game on the way. He's primed to build himself. If he makes it back next year it may be tough to correctly predict a match with him in it.

Platformers seem to have failed me so far. Jak, now Joe, and probably Ryu soon as well. If a cult RPG character like KOS-MOS can't perform respectably on RPGFAQs, I just dunno what a platformer can do.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

The more I think about it, Alucard is the anomaly here. There just doesn't seem to be anyone like him. No other cult characters can do that well (Joe could never beat Kirby), and perhaps it is foolish to think they could reach his level.

Why would Alucard be considered cult? He's had appearances on the NES, Game Boy, Saturn, Playstation, GBA... he may not be the most recognizable Castlevania character, but he's arguably in the top 3 there.
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Duke would do better against DK than Terry, noticably so, and that's if you assume that DK's rise was really all SFF which seems to be untrue.

Also, we have a highly valid reason to explain Duke's higher than normal performance. We also have reason to believe CATS has dropped. You are making poor conclussions out of incorrectly analyzed data.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Cloud has dropped quite a bit, he should have gotted an extra 6% aganist Duke then what he did.

Make that 2%, which we can easily chalk up to the milk carton.

Inaccuracy my ass, this is shooting yourself in the butt in an archery range.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

"Platformers seem to have failed me so far."

Joe and Hayabusa aren't platformers.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

What do you guys think about Hayabusa after seeing today's match? I still think Jill is overrated in the XS, thanks to the (comparatively) low vote total match against Squall. Not to mention the abysmal performance of RE in the spring, and that fact that Jill is nearly 10% points stronger than one of her two games. Plus she hasn't had a new game since RE3 in late '99 and the REmake in early '02. She's prime to fall, but is Hayabusa as strong as we think?

However, I would have picked Joe over Hayabusa before seeing today's results, and that has me worried. After adjusting for extreme SFF Tails is roughly at Jill's level.

And if HM is around, how well did Ninja Gaiden for the XBox sell? I'm blaming Joe's loss on lack of recognition because of poor sales; and I want to see about Hayabusa.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

What exactly is the definition of a platformer?
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Alucard has always been considered a cult character. I don't know why, but I didn't start it, I just accept it.

And MM119 is right, what exactly is a platformer?
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

RPGuy, I don't know the exact numbers but Ninja Gaiden sold extremely well. Knowing the game won't be a problem for most people.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

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Maybe, just maybe, the dozens and dozens of people who admitted it on the board and the hundreds who don't come here in the first place? I dunno.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

There were 480,546 copies of Ninja Gaiden (XBOX) sold in the US up to the month of July.

As for Alucard, he is a part of a fairly popular, long-running franchise. He may not be in all of the games but fans of the series would most likely know who he is even if they've never played SOTN.

Viewtiful Joe is a side-scrolling brawler. Other than basic elements like jumping and item collect it shares little in common with platformers, and I hate to break it to you but those simple elements aren't exclussive to platformers.

Ninja Gaiden is an action-adventure game like Shinobi and has more in common with Dynasty Warriors than platformers... and of course DW has more in common with brawlers like VJ just that it's in 3D.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Link and Cloud are basically equal right now. Saying anything else is next to retarded.

What idiot (other then yourself slowflake) would vote for someone because they are on a milk carton?

I did.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Oops. That should read "up to the month of June". Sales data for July and August haven't been included in that figure yet.

http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~hokora/xbrank.html

Ninja Gaiden sold 480,00 in the U.S. and around 75,000 in Japan, which might sound bad on the Japan side, but keep in mind that DOA3 and DOA: Extreme Beach Volleyball are the only X-Box games to sell over 100,000 copies in Japan.
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From: Smurf Thy Legend | Posted: 8/27/2004 3:23:36 PM | Message Detail
What idiot (other then yourself slowflake) would vote for someone because they are on a milk carton?

Anyway I think we can agree that both methods aren't 100% accurate. And either way Link is looking like taking victory.

Me...
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Tanner. The only guy Gordon can call a loser and not sound like a hypocrite. - Slowflake

First, dozens of people admited to voting for Duke based on that pic. There are plenty of non-board members who would do the same. Hundreds, even, I'm sure.

Second, yes, we can agree that neither is 100% accurate, but the one currently used by the majority is used by said majority for a very good reason... it is more accurate than the method you are using.

Third, in neither way should Link look like a clear favorite unless you ignore all common sense AND would have called Shadow a clear favorite before the contest started.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

3,439,992

I guess that is how many Americans own an XBox.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Yet, so many people here still say Cloud is a clear favorite when none of evidence of this poll points to it.

Makes you think.

Actually I was more thinking along the lines that Square characters haven't failed me. Frog and Vivi own. ^_^

Third, in neither way should Link look like a clear favorite unless you ignore all common sense AND would have called Shadow a clear favorite before the contest started.

My favorites bracket has Shadow in the finals. Yeah, that has no relevance, but Shadow owns. =p

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Aside from every square character performing as well as or better than expected.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Third, in neither way should Link look like a clear favorite unless you ignore all common sense AND would have called Shadow a clear favorite before the contest started.

Was that a dig at me? If it was check my perfect bracket ?_?

And I respect others beliefs but I refuse to accept them as the truth.

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Aside from every square character performing as well as or better than expected.

What about Squally?
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Oh and add Tidus to the list. Vivi, Tidus and Frog. Yay Square!
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

"Yet, so many people here still say Cloud is a clear favorite when none of evidence of this poll points to it. "

First, most people aren't calling a clear favorite in that match, and you have no ****ing clue what you're talking about if you think we are. We have our bracket choices, but by no means does that mean we are saying that Cloud is destine to win. Either your deductive reasoning skills are flawed or you're mistaking us with some other gourp of people. Either way, stop talking.

Second, there is plenty of evidence looking favorable towards Square not falling in anyway. Every returning Square character that has faced another returning character has exceeded expectations except Cloud and Squall, and again, we have fair reasoning for those two. Despite what Smurf will tell you Crono actually performed better than expected agaisnt Conker. And, other than Frog the ones who haven't either faced returning characters or happen to be new themselves have all met or exceeded expectations as well.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"What about Squally?"

Keep up wiht the topic much? Bomberman has performed at 2k2 levels this year.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Link has performed better as well.

All I am saying is you guys attack people who think Link is a clear favorite while advocating Cloud to be a clear favorite, when their is NO EVIDENCE that either is a favorite.

It is called hypocrisy.

Nobody can be called a "sure fire champion" in this contest. Last year people "knew" that Link was going to win, over half of the brackets had him winning. At the same time 6% of the brackets being for Cloud. Then Link lost that match against Cloud in the Final Four and all hell broke loose.
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Contest Stats: 24/26 Next Pick: Tails
Today's subliminal thought is:

Chichiri, who did you pick today?
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Well last year, people still thought if anyone would challenge Link it would be Sephiroth not Cloud.

"All I am saying is you guys attack people who think Link is a clear favorite while advocating Cloud to be a clear favorite"

No one is advocating Cloud as a clear favorite. Please, go find whatever topic you were in last time you discussed the contest and give it to them, because clearly you're thinking of someone other than us.

And I actually picked Joe today, who is falling about 2% short of my expectations against a Tails who is massively exceeding expectations due to not considering Auron/Cloud SFF. The last part was my bad, nevertheless Joe is actually doing as well as I expected in comparison to 2k3 numbers.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Also I am not Pro-Link nor am I Pro-Cloud. I did have Link winning, but my bracket is screwed thanks to DK, Shadow, and VJ.

If anything I hope Sephiroth or MegaMan wins.

No it is this one. No one is coming out and saying Cloud is the favorite, but they are making up every excuse to make Link look weaker and Cloud stronger which is basically the same thing.

CATS might of dropped off huge, might not.

Milk em might of accounted for a huge portion of the vote, might not.

Bomberman might of overperformed, might not. Until Round 2, none of these answers are certain. So stop treating them like they are.

I hope that a Chrono Trigger character or Link will win.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

We KNOW Milkem made a difference. There isn't any reason to doubt it.

Reference to CATS falling, however, is based on obvious trends for one and is used only to counter absurd statements liek "Like r teh instant winnar!"

I'm asking you nicely, if you aren't going to use logical reasoning by all means stop commenting for a short period of time on things which you obviously aren't comprehending.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

We know Milk Em made a difference, but we dont know how much.

I am going to ask you nicely, stop acting like you can judge long term results with a lot of small and conflicting data. Can you comprehend that?

I'll agree that Bomberman's is unsure. However...

CATS might of dropped off huge, might not.

I will say that CATS shall never drop off. His fanbase is this very community; everyone here, much as I hate it, seems to love CATS. I feel that CATS may never get below 10% against the strongest of opponents.

Milk em might of accounted for a huge portion of the vote, might not.

Humor = votes.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I also think you might be confusing me with someone else, because by what you said it makes it sound like I have argued with you before which I don't believe I have.

Could be wrong though.

Chichi, NewLib, can you both stop being confrontational and do the right thing (i.e. mocking Gordon Freeman), please? The last thing we need is a whole topic of going back and forth about what people are meaning when they say ____.
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I agree that humor accounts for votes, but right now we have no clue on how many. If Cloud returns to 2K3 level againist his second round opponent then yes we can then declare him the favorite once again. But that is an if and we dont know that if right now.

I'm still mad at VJ. He betrayed my trust and swore he would beat Tails. Joe you lied to me! LIED!

Dude, your argument is the equivalent of claiming pro choice proponents' chant "Kill every fetus NOW!", and I'm not goign to stand by and watch someone argue such a badly formed point of view. No one is saying Cloud is a clear favorite, we're saying there is no clear favorite. Get it through your thick skull. It doesn't matter how much this or that has done to the contest, the idea trying to be conveyed is that it's too early to declare a winner. I've been telling dumbasses in this very series of topics to chill out on their uninformed decleration of clear favorites since LttP SFFed SM to hell. The evidence isn't solid enough to claim a favorite, clear or not, and I'd tell the exact same thing to anyone who came in here saying everything looks in Cloud's favor and proceeded to twist the math to innacurate proportions to back up their flawed view.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Wasn't I the one saying that their was no clear favorite?

"His fanbase is this very community"

And anybody that has been here long enough will know that there was far less rallying for CATS than the last two years. Where's the baby-eating Link falsh vid topics? Where are the flash vids showing CATS taking down Link as his first step towards world domination? Poeple were excited enough to make this stuff For Ryu and Cloud and they spread it around constantly... where was that for Link?

Nowhere.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*waves*

Chichiri, who did you pick today?
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

"Wasn't I the one saying that their was no clear favorite?"

No, you're trying to say that we have decided that there is one, we have not. We do not call Cloud a clear favorite in this topic and I'm not sure how you could have come to that conclusion.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

CM, Im sorry but just hearing you defend yourself proves you think Cloud is the favorite.

You keep bringing anything that you can think of to make Link look weaker and Cloud look stronger.

I don't have to say anymore, you proved my point.

"Chichiri, who did you pick today?"

Ya must've missed it...

And I actually picked Joe today, who is falling about 2% short of my expectations against a Tails who is massively exceeding expectations due to not considering Auron/Cloud SFF. The last part was my bad, nevertheless Joe is actually doing as well as I expected in comparison to 2k3 numbers.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I'd have to agree. CATS was far more subdued this contest than in the previous, and his match was considerably less fun than the past two years. I think this may have been Zero Wing's swan song in the contest. I know that I'm not nominating CATS for next year.
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The Besaid Aurochs are the worst of the best at blitzball. Now, can they beat the best of the worst? Find out at www.rpgdl.com

It's never a good sign when, every time I refresh this topic, there's another 10 posts added to the total...
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Very Low Impact 30 min; A narcoleptic aerobics instructor struggles to hide her condition from students and employers.

"CM, Im sorry but just hearing you defend yourself proves you think Cloud is the favorite."

Yes, and defending a pro choice stance means you believe every fetus should be aborted.

You're making perfect sense.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

How I came that conclusion. HMMM Lets see.

After Link Wins: Many people claimed Cats was weaker

After Cloud Wins Weaker than Expected: Same people claim Milk Em had a HUGE effect

After Bomberman does better than expected: Same people claim Bomberman made a huge jump for no reason.

I noticed a trend.

"I noticed a trend."

And came to the wrong conclussion, as well. What's your point? Clearly things have talked about and you can't use your reasoning processes to decipher their impact.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

CM, what do you want. You want to me to say I am wrong and people on this board haven't declared Cloud a favorite? I never said a huge favorite and when I said clear favorite, I was using it to counter your terms. I don't think anyone has made him to be a completely clear favorite. But people HAVE made him out to be the favorite.

I never even said it was you, you just took on that role.

CM, you need a serious attitude adjusement. You seem to can't handle it when anyone argues with you and get mad at the person arguing. Repeat after me: This is all for fun.

Lighten up. :P

"CM, what do you want. You want to me to say I am wrong and people on this board haven't declared Cloud a favorite?"

Since no one has declared Cloud as a favorite that would be a wonderful start.

"I never even said it was you, you just took on that role."

I'm a part of this topic, and making broad generalizations about it reflect upon me and many, many other reasonably thinking people in it. I've never seen Ulit, HM, Slow or anyone else that's in this topic regularly claim a favorite in the finals other than personal favorite (HM), and so you are misrepresenting my fellow gurus. I won't allow for that when it is something so obviously untrue.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Onto more lighthearted fare...satire returns in 5 days when I mock Link vs Ganon :)

Now stop the namecalling arguments! This aint the kiddie thread! Call Tails names, not the peeps posting! :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

Wow, I might not have been even refering to the big players in this thread.

Its obvious HM hasnt said anything like that and Ulti/Snowflake I dont remember that rhetoric from them. I don't even remember you saying it, I said SOME PEOPLE in these threads. That's not broad, its inclusive.

"CM, you need a serious attitude adjusement."

I like my 'tude, and I do believe most anyone who has spent some time here can tell you if you're on the receiving end there's probably a reason for it.

"You seem to can't handle it when anyone argues with you and get mad at the person arguing."

Mad? Heh, I've been laughing at you more than I was laughing at anything all week long, and that does include Smurf...

"Repeat after me: This is all for fun."

And I am having fun. Now get the hell out of my topic if you're going to misinterpret the conversations.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Cloud was the favorite in this topic prior to the contest, but even then, no one was saying that it was certain that Cloud would win. The reason, I surmise, that people are defending Cloud, is that the math coming off of the Link/CATS match says that Link will beat Cloud with something like 53-54%, IIRC. Of course, there is not enough evidence to call this match right now. This topic, as of yet, does not endorse either character as the clear favorite.
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Summer Contest 2004: 26/26/192 ----- Rank: T-1 ----- Today's Pick: Tails

Your Topic?

::looks to see who made it. Sees Ulti name::

Such an ego. I was playing Devil's Advocate. Who is the favorite right now? No one, but still have to give the edge to Cloud because he is the returning champ. I was just trying to make some people defend someelse when they attack other people for the same thing.

All I got out of it was personal attacks.

"Yet, so many people here still say Cloud is a clear favorite when none of evidence of this poll points to it."

Then you had best prepare yourself to word statements like that better, because that doesn't imply a handful of random people every great once in awhile, that implies a very large portion. This is a forum and your words will be read as written, if that isn't the message you intend to deliver then by all means don't write in such strong words.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Wow, I might not have been even refering to the big players in this thread.

Is there such a thing? A Stats Thread Caste System! Excellent satire idea for a match to be determined later!

But if there was, I would be of the intellectual quiet yet witty caste :)

You, NewLib, would surely be an untouchable! :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

I like my 'tude, and I do believe most anyone who has spent some time here can tell you if you're on the receiving end there's probably a reason for it.

Chichiri Muyo rox my world >.>
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

"Respect thy karma elders"

Words to survive by :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

I know I would Steve.

But I am over with this argument, I tried to get a reasonable defense from you because I expected it. I thought better of you CM, obviously you didn't live up to it.

I remember someone in this topic (well one of the older ones) saying that Cloud held a slight favorite status. No one has gone outright to say he is the absolute favorite.

I don't think it would be that hard for Milkem to have an effect. You'd need only, what, 800 or 900 people switching their Cloud votes to Milkem to have a noticeable effect?
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Ulti is the ONLY one who has ever said Cloud is a clear favorite, but that was like 2 weeks ago.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

"Your Topic?"

Yes, my topic. My topic, Slow's topic, Ulti's topic, HM's topic, Steve's topic... A lot of people consider this topic theirs. This is the only topic on this board that I am even interested in anymore. It's the only one I check each day. It's therefore my topic. My 'home' on gamefaqs, if you will.

ANd if you want to try to get technical it doesn't matter that Ulti's name is on the topic because it's Solarshadow's topic.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

But if there was, I would be of the intellectual quiet yet witty caste :)

Well, Steve, one out of three ain't bad.
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Maybe a few more votes than 800 or 900, but you are right it is certain possible. Likely, even.

I don't know what I did to CM to get such a wrath, but I know I will try to stay away from it from now on.

I voted for Milk'em...out of sheer pity of how pathetic he is...so pathetic that Corporate Ceej mocked him and stuck him on a milk carton...that could have cost him thousands of advertising revenue dollars down the road when Forever does come out.

Corporate Ceej...i like that. Think I shall trademark that for a future satire :)
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

Hey CM, this is also the only topic I keep up with on GFaqs too.

Fun, we got something in common.

You claimed this topic favored Cloud when there is no favor here. Haven't we been over this before?
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

No I claimed some were. Never the entire topic. And once again I was playing Devil's Advocate. I think I might of been one of the people saying Cloud was a slight favorite. It was fun, though.

Haha Doma :)

Yes, my topic. My topic, Slow's topic, Ulti's topic, HM's topic, Steve's topic... A lot of people consider this topic theirs. This is the only topic on this board that I am even interested in anymore. It's the only one I check each day. It's therefore my topic. My 'home' on gamefaqs, if you will.

I will second this bigtime. Many of us elites that are here only post here, or post 99.9% of our posts here. The Stats Thread is the 'bastion of intelligence on this fanboy dominated board'. I said that in 2003, and it still holds true. :)

We all defend our favorites and thats ok, but we dont do it without numbers and facts to back them up...unlike the fanboys all over Board 8 whose idea of logic is 'my guy is better than yours cause i said so!'

Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

Ulti is the ONLY one who has ever said Cloud is a clear favorite, but that was like 2 weeks ago.

That was who it was? I thought someone said something about it, but I wasn't sure who. But are you sure? I thought he said that if Cloud got over 82% then he could be considered the favorite.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Steve, that is the reason I only like this topic. People know what they are talking about. I find the entire thing intriguing.

Yeah I dont think Ulti said it after the match, but there were people who did. I don't think any were elite, most were fanboys. I just wanted a defense from anyone would believed that. CM, took that as an attack on the entire topic which it was never meant to be.

I guess I'd be the backup math guy, behind creativename and Asprosenf (my apologies if I got your name wrong).

And since I'm the backup math guy, if 1000 voters laughed at the Milkem joke and voted for the Duke instead of Cloud, a non-Milkem match would have gone to Cloud with 81.31%. That's a whole 0.83% under the expected value. Cloud is looking just a strong as Link; neither is the clear favorite and we probably won't have more decent data to use until Cloud/Samus and Link/Crono or Link/Mega Man.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Steve, that is the reason I only like this topic. People know what they are talking about. I find the entire thing intriguing.

It is VERY intriguing. I have fun poking fun at things like 'K Hearts factor' and extrapolation, but in reality, they have helped me a few times in some tough to call matches.

Today...just about everything that is logic failed...in the name of Tails...propelled to victory by rabid Sega Squadrons, Nintendites, and casuals.
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

Yeah... Logic told me that DK and V Joe should win. The stats told me Shadow should. They failed me those three times.

That was who it was? I thought someone said something about it, but I wasn't sure who. But are you sure? I thought he said that if Cloud got over 82% then he could be considered the favorite.

I'm sure that Ulti posted in another topic this tier list:

Tier one
1) Cloud

small gap

Tier two
2) Link
3) Sephiroth

large gap

4) Mega Man
5) Mario
6) Crono
7) Samus

etc.

And he also ridiculed Tai for having Link as his winner. Though that might be just cuz he hates Tai.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

No favorite, no favorite, NO FAVORITE DAMMIT!!!!!!!

Really, I hate when people claim a favorite (like Smurf), and by your wording you were insisting that I had claimed one because I have in the past pointed out all of those things you mentioned, but that was not to support a favorite, I just like to find quirky trends and come up with interesting and less thought of theories to explain noticable trends. That's all. No one used CATS slipping and Milkem as a means to defend the idea that Cloud is still the favorite, and you've unjustly claimed that some have. At worst those points are used to counter people who claim Link as a favorite which is in itself by no means claiming a favorite. My choice to win it all? Sephiroth. Do I make grand claims that he is dominating all? Nope. Why? There is no favorite. Seph is in this game as much as Link and Cloud, Mega Man is still in it, hell, Crono is in it right now. We have a long way until it becomes clear and if you are going to tell me I'm picking a favorite by shooting down people who are, while uninformed, claiming a favorite you're going to have bite marks on your bottom side.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I was using the logic that many people who were scared away from Link by WW, would once again vote for him because of the new Zelda. That logic has yet to prove itself.

CM, like I said before I never said you claimed a favorite. Just you took up that side, so I assumed you had. If I made a bad judgement than it was my bad.

"Though that might be just cuz he hates Tai."

At this point it's hard to find somebody that hasn't wanted Tai to just shut up at one time or another.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Chichiri... You can calm down a bit =/.

"At worst those points are used to counter people who claim Link as a favorite which is in itself by no means claiming a favorite."

I've seen those points being used for that, but not much else. And I'm sure someone said in one of the Stat topics that Cloud still held a slight favorite status.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

"If I made a bad judgement than it was my bad."

Well at least you're willing to admit the misunderstanding was in part your fault, most others don't. Dumb bastards.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Sephiroth, I will vouch, will not win.

Consider this: Out of all the repeat matches in 2002 to 2003, the winner was ALWAYS THE SAME.

Mario vs Crono = Mario.
Sephiroth vs Mega Man = Sephiroth.
Snake vs Knuckles = Snake.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Go ahead and add Snake to that list Chichiri, from what we've seen so far he is going to make some noise. That kind of ownage against any fodder is something to be proud of.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

"Chichiri... You can calm down a bit =/."

I will calm down when I please, thank you very much.

"I've seen those points being used for that, but not much else."

Then obviously you realize my stance is justified. Good to know.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

If he overperforms, he beats Tails easily and goes into a tough and potentially close Round 2 match. If he underperforms, he either flops against Tails, or beats Tails by a little and falls easily in Round 2. I predict he will do an Option 2, subsection B. Underperforms and beats Tails by a bit.

PICKED THE WRONG SUBSECTION'D

Man, what's with the Sonic characters messing up my bracket? Oh well, even though I dislike Tails, I gotta give him props for beating Joe. He's deserved a Round 2 spot in the Contest, and here is his chance.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Joe vs. Tails - Bracket: Joe - Vote: Joe (25/26)

stop posting so fast I can't keep up
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

At this point it's hard to find somebody that hasn't wanted Tai to just shut up at one time or another.

Heh yah he rubbed me wrong a few times...most recently mocking me for picking Jak...for shame Tai!

He had Joe today though..so he has been quiet other than saying he was stomping on a stuffed Tails! hehe
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 106 SC2K4: 24/26 (Go Joe!)

Today...just about everything that is logic failed...in the name of Tails...propelled to victory by rabid Sega Squadrons, Nintendites, and casuals.

Really? I thought it was fairly logical, especially after Laharl lost.

I think the premise behind this is that new = good, but too new = bad. It takes time for the character to attract a fanbase. In some cases, it can take years (y hallo thar, Squally). It takes time for a character to become well known by the voters, and Joe might not have had that time. Should the Viewtiful One return next year, I wouldn't be surprised if he did considerably better than the XStats would suggest.
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Then obviously you realize my stance is justified. Good to know.

Well I agree with your stance, but not your way of getting it across =).
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Chaos Division: Round 1 - Match 28 – (4)Dante vs. (13)Ratchet

Moltar’s Analysis

Dante
Game/Series Known From: Devil may Cry Series
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: 18th
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 21th
Seed in 2002: 4
Seed in 2003: 4
Lost in Round 2 against Crono in 2002 and to Ryu in Round 2 in 2003.

Wow, talk about constant. Has had the same seed since 2002 and only moved down 3 in rank. Finally, a stable character!

Ratchet
Game/Series Known From: Ratchet and Clank
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 57th
Seed in 2002:
Seed in 2003: 14
Lost in Luigi in Round 1 in 2003.

*This analysis was brought to you by ertyu.*

hi I r ertyu nd I appuv ths messge

---dante is the kewlest nd all othrs suk espicaly kirby. kirby iz dum. ratchet well be shot bang bang by dante. now aya needz 2 com bak nd hav sex wif dante thn they culd mak babys and nam thm ertyu caus ir teh bestest.

*That analysis was brought to you by ertyu.*

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Dante will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Dante 71% - Ratchet 29%



Ulti’s Analysis

A few writeups ago, I claimed that Ratchet was about as popular as Jak. And no way in hell does Jak take down Dante.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Dante/Dante with 68.55%



Cena’s Analysis

I'll tell you again, I haven't played either character's games since I don't have a PS2. But Dante is a 4 seed, and he just keeps impressing year after year. But he's just not big competition anymore because DMC 2 was supposedly terrible. Ratchet has a 13 seed, but I'm not sure why. All he is, is fodder. Get over it, Ratchet fans. Dante is going to own him, so there's really not a lot to say.

Cena's Vote: Dante

Cena's Prediction: Dante with 70% (Why not have it that high? It's only Ratchet!)
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Joe vs. Tails - Bracket: Joe - Vote: Joe (25/26)

"Sephiroth, I will vouch, will not win."

You lack solid evidence.

"Consider this: Out of all the repeat matches in 2002 to 2003, the winner was ALWAYS THE SAME."

Yes, because the bracket allowed for so few repeats. However many matches went quite differently than expect and many matches would have had reverse decisions should there have been repeat matchs.

Alucard beat Kirby when the math said he was't supposed to.

Cloud would have creamed Mario had they met again.

Sonic was above Snake and then he was below Snake.

Things do change, and you can't by any means say that any match is set in stone between two characters who are within 2 spots of eachother in the stats. Ryu and Auron were two spots away from eachother in 2k3, and by 2k3 logic if two cahracters sepperated by as little as two spots are stuck forever and no change can be made then there is no way Auron could beat Ryu... yet this years states tell us something different. The numbers change. They aren't set in stone, and even the people kind enough to provide them to us know that they are fallible.

If they weren't Cloud wouldn't haev become champion in 2k3.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

*This analysis was brought to you by ertyu.*

hi I r ertyu nd I appuv ths messge

---dante is the kewlest nd all othrs suk espicaly kirby. kirby iz dum. ratchet well be shot bang bang by dante. now aya needz 2 com bak nd hav sex wif dante thn they culd mak babys and nam thm ertyu caus ir teh bestest.

*That analysis was brought to you by ertyu.*

Hilarious XD.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

God I love ertyu sometimes.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Forgive my lack of knowledge on the subject, but what is ertyu?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

ertyu is a user on this board, he currently goes by the name aya pe.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

and he loves Dante and hates Kirby
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

did his ertyu account get banned or something?
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

"1 quit telling me what to do and how to spell i dont need any help from dum people who like dum pink ball characters over a human character with demon powers who can kill all

2 i checked all them my self there all spelled Right so dont tell me what to do or how to spell

3 if i want to dish Kirby guess what i will"

Example of ertyu speaking ^_^. I don't know how the ertyu thing came about. Maybe it was an old account or something...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I love this topic. Whenever I get in an argument about a match on the general board, I always try to use the XS to counter a ridiculous statment like "Knux did fantastic against Kefka so Sonic must be stronger than ever" and then I get "OMG the XS crap nevar works it had shadow beatin Tidus."

Not so here. Hooray for my fellow math junkies!
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

There are people that were so convinced that Kefka would win his match that Knuckles beating him by a large margin made them think that Sonic characters were stronger now? Jeez...

>_>
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Am I the only one wondering where the hell Heroic Mario is?
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See Quote

He was posting a lot yesterday, so I'm not worried about him being gone for a day...
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I just wanted to see his reaction to Joe losing.
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See Quote

Tails >>>>>> Joe

IMO
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Question...

Does Tail stand any chance against Dante??

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Perhaps it's possible that he has other things to do besides post on a message board all day...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Am I the only one wondering where the hell Heroic Mario is?

Crying. He was so close to the leaderboard, and now his perfect bracket dies.

And Dante will beat Tails, not by too much though.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Joe vs. Tails - Bracket: Joe - Vote: Joe (25/26)

No, Tails might have been lowered due to Auron's SFF against Cloud, but he'd have to be as strong as we thought Auron WAS before to be able to beat Dante.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Thank you for all the feedbacks to my question..

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

Oh, and the guy who has HK-47 winning it all will lose his perfect bracket today. He made a topic declaring that he picked Joe to win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

You might expect me to hate Tails after today.

And you'd be right.

But if Tails does well against Dante, that will make Joe look better, so... I'm supporting Tails now.

My bracket's shot to hell anyway.
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Current Score: 24/26
Today's Pick: Viewtiful Joe

I. Hate. Tails.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I hate Tails.

Brackets Today:
26 106
25 627

How do you think they'll look tomorrow? I'm going with about 40% for the perfects and the -1's, which leaves us at:

Brackets Tomorrow:
27 42
26 276

Higher? Lower? Don't know? And how about Hayabusa?
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Does Tail stand any chance against Dante??

No chance whatsoever. I'll be happy to see Dante tear Tails up next round.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Mega Man Dropped slightly.

Your trying to tell me Mega Man dropped when you have no idea how strong Jim is?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm just glad I switched it from Viewtiful Joe beating Dante to Dante winning next round. Whew.

This also forces me to worry about Ryu's chances against Jill Valentine...
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TheRye pwned me so badly during the Ness/Jak match that I wont' be able to sit for a week.

And if HM is around, how well did Ninja Gaiden for the XBox sell? I'm blaming Joe's loss on lack of recognition because of poor sales; and I want to see about Hayabusa.

Viewtiful Joe sold 213,000 copies in North America while Ninja Gaiden sold 480,000 copies.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Why does everyone keep saying that? How does this match have anything to do with Hayabusa-Jill?
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Something of note, Hayabusa has more to pull from than just that Xbox game.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yeah, there's the whole old-school Ninja Gaiden factor to consider.
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"Spira is full of death...only SIN is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly."- Auron

Currently:

26 106
25 627

RPGuy has predicted that 40% will have picked Tails correctly. Ok, so..

That means 42 will have perfect still after today, and therefor 64 will lose it. 627 have (-1) now. That leaves 251 that will get it correct and remain (-1), plus the 64 that were previously (-0) but are now (-1). 251+64 = 315.

Going by that prediction of 40% picking Tails in the top 2 spots, tomorrow would look close to this:

26 42
25 315

Which is great, (-0) and (-1) would still hold the top 1% of brackets. I now feel better about losing my first point today.

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Score: 26/26 Leaderboard: 21
Upcoming picks: Joe, Dante, Sora, Ryu

Something of note, Hayabusa has more to pull from than just that Xbox game.

Yeah, I know. If he didn't have oldschool/DoA, I'd give up on him right now. As it is, I think he'll win a close one.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

octoinky: I'm a moron. I added in the 60% of perfects to the -1's before I took 40% of the -1's.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

If the Xbox game was the only thing he had I would have picked Jill and never thought about it. I'm pulling for Hayabusa to win, but my vote will be for Valentine.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

RPGuy - was curious, but no worries :). Great idea to bring that up, I didn't realize how few would still have (-1). Makes me happier, thanks!

Also, if tails scores 47% or less prediction percentage among perfect brackets (it seems to be this way, a lot of perfects have Joe, a lot of casual bracket makers have Tails), the top 50 will feature a 'less-than-perfect' bracket.

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Score: 26/26 Leaderboard: 21
Upcoming picks: Joe, Dante, Sora, Ryu

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
5) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
6) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
7) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
8) 61.68% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
9) 60.38% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
10) 55.98% - Crono over Conker

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
3) 62319 - Link over CATS
4) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
6) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
7) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
8) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 44770 - Crono over Conker
10) 43761 - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
4) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
7) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl
8) 23.92% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 24.26% - Ryu over KOS-MOS
10) 29.30% - Kirby over Kain

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 7397 - Ness over Jak
4) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
5) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
6) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
7) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl
8) 18618 - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
9) 20471 - Ryu over KOS-MOS
10) 23576 - Kirby over Kain

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
6) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
7) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
8) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
9) 84379 - KOS-MOS vs. Ryu
20) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
3) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
4) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
5) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
6) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
7) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
8) 78031 - Mario vs. J.C. Denton
9) 78608 - Yoshi vs. Ryo Hazuki
10) 78743 - Solid Snake over Tanner

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 74251 - Solid Snake
3) 72344 - Link
4) 71329 - Cloud
5) 70219 - Megaman
6) 65184 - Mario
7) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog
8) 62375 - Crono
9) 61731 - Bowser
10) 60057 - Yoshi

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12243 - Sly Cooper
4) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
5) 12847 - J.C. Denton
6) 13367 - Luca Blight
7) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
8) 15316 - Terry Bogard
9) 17605 - Conker
10) 17624 - Duke Milk'em

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
6) 32733 - Jak
7) 31954 - KOS-MOS
8) 31660 - Scorpion
9) 29621 - Max Payne
10) 28597 - Bomberman

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 40130 - Ness
2) 41440 - Vyse
3) 43913 - Frog
4) 47578 - Knuckles
5) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
6) 48334 - Tidus
7) 48443 - Vivi
8) 50045 - Ganondorf
9) 51008 - Luigi
10) 52012 - Kirby

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
10) 90.45% - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
5) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
6) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
7) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man
8) 70.06% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
9) 70.09% - Ryu over KOS-MOS
10) 70.14% - Auron over Scorpion


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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Kinda off-topic here, but I really, REALLY doubt Auron is between Magus and Solid Snake...yet. I can see him obtaining this position with his KH II cameo...
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Yuber lives in Pennslyvania...watching...

Yeah, Auron being in the Noble Nine really doesn't sit well with me, either...

...surely he can't be that strong...right?
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"Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle."
-Toad in Super Mario Bros.

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
6) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
7) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
8) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
9) 84379 - KOS-MOS vs. Ryu
20) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles

Better fix that, cyko.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

Kinda off-topic here, but I really, REALLY doubt Auron is between Magus and Solid Snake...yet. I can see him obtaining this position with his KH II cameo...

That's if Scorp didn't fall at all. If Chichiri has his way, Scorp falls back to 2k2 levels and Auron is slightly above Tidus/Shadow. If Scorp dropped 2% from his 2k3 value, Auron's between Squall and Aeris. And so on down the line.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

okay, now that i've calmed down a bit, i can throw my opinion in. i do have untapped kegs of rage to dispense on the *** ******* squirrel-*** known as Tails, but i'm going to be a man about it and bottle it up so i can lash out at someone later who totally doesn't deserve it.

i have to admit that i for one did not underestimate Tails. i expected Auron (and Tails by extension of that) to have suffered from SFF. so i figured he was stronger than his low ranking implied. however, i vastly overrated Viewtiful Joe. he's just so dang cool. plus, i figured his pic was certain to draw in casual voters. so much for that idea. blah. and since i tried to call the upset of Joe over Dante, my bracket doesn't look so good. i'm not completely out, though. if Tails and Master Cheif both pull out their matches, then my bracket will still be very alive and well.

but could you imagine that - both Tails and Master Cheif in the Sweet Sixteen? especially after Magus, Bowser, Ganondorf, Tidus, Shadow, Ryu, and Alucard would all be eliminated already. now THAT would make my head explode. MC, i can realistically see taking Frog down. but Tails will not beat Dante. Dante was ranked ahead of Alucard and well above Tails in both 2002 and 2003, and Alucard pulled 54% against Tails. i just can't see Tails making up that much of a difference.

so, as of right now, we have exactly TWO interesting second-round matches: Yoshi vs. Luigi and Frog vs. Master Cheif. there is possibly a third, with Jill/Ryu/Sora. i can honestly see any one of those those three come out of that 4-pack, unless Ryu blows Jill away, which seems highly unlikely right now. but if Hayabusa does manage to break 56%, then that 4-pack is his.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

20) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles

Better fix that, cyko.

lol, oops.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Why are people using "Character X went back to his 2k2 level" as a valid excuse? Did I miss something? That's just stating a fact, not explaining WHY they went back to 2k2 level. I've seen some people use this for people like Crash, Kirby, and Sonic without explaining why such a thing would happen. It seems like some people go out of their way to compensate for the extrapolated rankings. I think they are accurate enough. They don't have to be perfect. Overperforming and going back to 2k2 levels shouldn't have to be used as excuses. It seems like a new variable is thrown into the rankings every week.

SFF
WDF
SSBMF
TJF
Overperforming
Underperforming
Da Milk'em Factor
2k2 levels

Did I miss anything? :) I jest some, but there are so many variables that can affect contest outputs. Because of this I just wonder why some people go recrunch all the numbers when something goes slightly wrong. This isn't science, it's a popularity contest! Sometimes it's okay to just nod your head and smile. XD

Don't mind me. Being pwned by Tails makes you wonder what your purpose is in this mortal coil..... (-_-)
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

beats me. but i haven't used the "back to 2K2 level" argumeny yet, and i won't until i see a good explanation of it.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Joe is in danger of becoming fodder.

Let's suppose this:

Joe loses to Tails with 45%.
Tails loses to Dante with 38%.
Dante loses to Sonic with 40%.
Sonic loses to Samus with 47%.
Samus loses to Cloud with 39%.
Cloud barely loses to Link by a few votes.

Or in other words: Link = Cloud >> Samus > Sonic >> Dante >> Tails > Joe.

Wouldn't this rank Joe from 50th-60th place? After all, this happened to Gordon and Ryo...
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I lost my perfect bracket! Now I'm going to get pwned by <insert username here> in the Guru Contest! Ugh!!!

actually, Tails appears to be on about the same level as Scorpion, Felix, Wario, and Yuna, seeing how Scorpion did as well as Tails did against Auron. so, that would put Joe on roughly the same level as KOS-MOS, Lara Croft, Ramza, Sora, and Ken. somewhere around 40th, give or take a couple of spots.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

BTW, I wasn't calling anybody out. This was more or less Random Evidence of a Cluttered Mind. I'm secretly trying to channel my energy to Ryu so that he can bring some sanity back into this contest.

I'm worried about that match, but for different reasons. The question is how well known is Jill? Will most people know her from the Resident Evil series like they would recognize Tails from Sonic? Does her appearance in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and her remake on Gamecube give her the same exposure that Ness was given with Super Smash Bros.?

How well known IS Ryu from his NES Ninja Gaiden games? Even though I own the original two, most people from Gamefaqs seriously began gaming on the PS. Can Ryu's appearances in the DoA series bring him a similar effect as Ness?

What about Sora? He's had exactly one match and that was against Aeris. Sora's not a bad character at all. Besides the fact that he was a kid, I see nothing wrong with him and don't know why others would. He IS well known I would think. So how would that factor against Ryu?

So many questions.....
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Kinda off-topic here, but I really, REALLY doubt Auron is between Magus and Solid Snake...yet. I can see him obtaining this position with his KH II cameo...

That's all under the assumption that Scorpion didn't fall from 2003 to 2004. I, for one, believe he wasn't as strong as last year and there's enough reason for that to be true. If he goes down a little Auron places right around Tidus/Shadow, which is a far more reasonable position.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm worried about that match, but for different reasons. The question is how well known is Jill?

Well known enough to get around 40% against Squall. She's one of Capcom's weakest characters, but she is definitely a known entry. She has been here for three years now.

Will most people know her from the Resident Evil series like they would recognize Tails from Sonic?

Of course. Jill gets basically all of her popularity from a highly popular Resident Evil series.

Does her appearance in Marvel vs. Capcom 2 and her remake on Gamecube give her the same exposure that Ness was given with Super Smash Bros.?

The REmakes? Those could help her out, but none of them have come out over the past year. For sales on the GCN versions:

(Only in North America)

Resident Evil 0: 415,600
Resident Evil: 465,720
Resident Evil 2: 31,832
Resident Evil 3: 38,959

How well known IS Ryu from his NES Ninja Gaiden games?

He should be most known from these games. Most everyone knows the Ninja Gaiden series isn't new. Heck, his name is even mentioned in each of them.

Gamefaqs seriously began gaming on the PS. Can Ryu's appearances in the DoA series bring him a similar effect as Ness?

The DoA series shouldn't bring him hordes of votes, but anything will help. As for the people beginning in the Playstation/Nintendo 64 era. That's probably true, but you also have plenty who have played an NES/SNES and/or a good deal of people who started on those two systems.

What about Sora? He's had exactly one match and that was against Aeris. Sora's not a bad character at all.

Sora's not exactly someone who I'd see doing a whole lot.

He IS well known I would think. So how would that factor against Ryu?

He's not any more known than Jill Valentine is. So if Hayabusa beats her he will beat Sora.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Wouldn't this rank Joe from 50th-60th place?

Actually, he'd rank more around the 40th area. Right in the area of Ken, Sora, and Ramza. That area.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

if Tails and Master Cheif both pull out their matches

Hah! You believe Tails will be doing anything to Dante?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Upon reading further in your paragraph, I see you said Tails can't be Dante. Good, good. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

lol, i'm not quite delusional, Heroic Mario.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

I was just posting all the what ifs... I know there's no way Jill can be more well known than Tails. And Ryu IS more well known than Viewtiful Joe. I'm just worried about what the difference between those actually IS. Most of those questions were mere possibilities. I'm STILL confident in Ryu and DEMAND that he makes the Sweet 16 so we can all see that WICKED sprite! Once I see that sprite, the hell with this contest. I'm satisfied! We can all go home if I care. ^_^

Speaking of sprites, I will be in a complete outrage if the TRUE Cloud in-game portrayal isn't used. Anyone notice that Aeris, Sephiroth, and Cloud had their computer generated character models from the instruction booklet used? They didn't look that crisp in the game! People thought I was joking last year, but if CJayC doesn't show Cloud and Sephiroth in all of their block figure, box shoulder/hand, no face glory then I will cry foul! Look what he did to Bowser! I vouch for Block Cloud and Block Sephiroth this year.....


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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Oh and to everyone who was curious as to why I made another topic before Ulti did, he said that if he hadn't been posting for a while and the other topic was almost full, someone should make it.

'Someone' = Heroic Mario or ChichiriMuyo
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

Except Chichiri didn't care and HM had vanished. You can check the last 15 posts or so of part 42 if you want.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

To think that Duke didn't benefit from the milk carton is absurd. The entire board was laughing their asses off, we had two alternate account created from the picture, and the match was virtually dead even at the beginning.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

My tier list:

1 - Cloud
1 - Link
1 - Sephiroth

---LARGE GAP---

4 - Mega Man

---SMALL GAP---

5 - Mario
5 - Crono

---LARGE GAP---

7 - Samus

---LARGE GAP---

8 - Solid Snake

---SMALL GAP---

9 - Magus
10 - Sonic
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

That seems like what I would have it at for last year as well.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I noticed Moltar, Ulti, and Cena expect Dante to vastly underperform tomorrow. I went with a 1% overperformance. <<
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't really looks at math when going for those predictions. I just go with a random guess based on the general realm.
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Winner of the Spring 2004 'Best. Game. Ever.' Contest
*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I see. Just trying to get someone to say something and spice up some conversation. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

And wow, we almost filled a topic within one day.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

You are pretty damn good at random guessing then O.o
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Considering that half the topic can be summed up as "Dammit, Tails!" and the other half is Chichiri arguing with NewLib, I'm not sure that that's something to be proud of.

...

Dammit, Tails!
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Indeed. Dammit, Tails!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

The better Ratchet does against Dante, the better Luigi looks going into the next round. Of course, he could rise due to Going Commando as well, but I doubt it'd be anything significant. Even so, I think his ranking might be off somewhat. I don't think he's weaker than Sly Cooper or CATS, but we'll see.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

You know what? These Sonic characters are taking out everyone I like.

One big dammit, Sonic Team!
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I'm hoping Dante does around the 78% area tomorrow, and going as high as 80% would kick some ass.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I didn't think you were a big Kefka fan...

Either way, the reason people are speculating about certain characters returning to 2002 levels is because that's what some of them are performing at, and it's happened on more than one occasion. Our vote totals this year resemble 2002 more than 2003 anyway, so it's possible that some of the increases or decreases resulted from changes in the voting pool.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

No, Ratchet deserves better than that, if only for Clank's sake. I love that robot.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

The better Ratchet does against Dante, the better Luigi looks going into the next round. Of course, he could rise due to Going Commando as well, but I doubt it'd be anything significant. Even so, I think his ranking might be off somewhat. I don't think he's weaker than Sly Cooper or CATS, but we'll see.

Another example of Link/Samus SFF? Of course, Squally pretty much shoots that theory to hell, so now I don't know why I even mentioned it.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

I didn't think you were a big Kefka fan...

I'm not at all, actually. I guess I should say "These Sonic characters are in the process of and will eventually take out a lot of characters I like (Chaos Division)."
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Dante's supposed to get 78% tomorrow? Wow. I expected low-to-mid 70% for him...
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Joe vs. Tails - Bracket: Joe - Vote: Joe (25/26)

Ratchet deserves better than that,

Maybe against someone else, but not tomorrow. And I'm getting this wierd feeling you like Clank. =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Our vote totals this year resemble 2002 more than 2003 anyway, so it's possible that some of the increases or decreases resulted from changes in the voting pool.

It's more in the middle between the two contests.

2K2 First Round Average - ~60,000
2K3 First Round Average - ~102,000
2K4 First Round Average - ~81,000

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Dante's supposed to get 78% tomorrow? Wow. I expected low-to-mid 70% for him...

Ratchet is pretty low grade fodder. He's lower than CATS, for crying out loud.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Dante's supposed to get 78% tomorrow?

More specifically, 77.24%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yes, Clank is awesome. R&C wouldn't be worth playing if he wasn't in it. On his own, Ratchet isn't all that likeable, but he and Clank together make a good team.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Hmm...I guess I do underestimate Dante quite a bit, since I haven't heard of him much and never played a DMC game.

I know he's strong....it's just hard for me to see him put up high numbers in matches.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Joe vs. Tails - Bracket: Joe - Vote: Joe (25/26)

Hmm...I guess I do underestimate Dante quite a bit, since I haven't heard of him much and never played a DMC game.

Capcom's making a tremendous push for him right now. He's guest-starring in Viewtiful Joe, he's got a decently large role in the next MegaTen game, and then of course there's DMC3.

Of course, he'll still lose to the likes of Sonic.
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Man, after winning all of those matches (longest I've been perfect in a contest) I still didn't manage to get up on the leaderboard. That's what sucks the most about this.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I got up 21 in my second contest here, and hadn't heard of over half the characters before coming to gameFAQs, and was hoping to make top 10 after today *sigh* I'll never make it again, with Luigi over Yoshi. Maybe I'll make it a while after that, if all goes well.
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Score: 26/26 Leaderboard: 21
Upcoming picks: Joe, Dante, Sora, Ryu

Man, after winning all of those matches (longest I've been perfect in a contest) I still didn't manage to get up on the leaderboard. That's what sucks the most about this.

I know how you feel, HM. Now I have to wait until Luigi upsets Yoshi to get on there. ;)
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

"Man, after winning all of those matches (longest I've been perfect in a contest) I still didn't manage to get up on the leaderboard. That's what sucks the most about this."

Well from what it sounds like tons of perfects are loosing their perfects today. So I wouldn't be surprised to see some people with 26 on the leaderboard tomorrow, so you might still have a chance.
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Current SC2K4 Score: 25/26
COWS are for Milking, not GAMES

This is my first contest and I've stayed perfect until now. I'm pretty happy with how I've done so far ^_^.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

Now I have to wait until Luigi upsets Yoshi to get on there. ;)

Will that really be an upset? I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the brackets favored Luigi. I just checked and 45% of the people last contest had Bowser over Yoshi, and I'd expect the average bracket maker to (wrongly, obviously) favor Luigi over Bowser on the Nintendo hierarchy, probably thinking that Mario's brother is more popular then the Villain, or the Dinosaur he rides for that matter.

Then again these are the same people who only 68% of could predict Luigi over Pac Man. Perhaps I'm giving them too much credit.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

I'm not expecting Dante to triple Ratchet tomorrow, if only because of Going Commando. But if he does, it's not going to make Luigi look good.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/026 - Matches: 25/26 - Rank: 00107/33221 - Today: Joe - Tomorrow: Dante

I meant a statistical upset. If we're going by brackets, I'd say they're 35% for Luigi, 35% for Yoshi, 25% for Pac Man, and 5% for Ryo.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

By statistical upset do you mean less then 50%, or an upset according to the boards, because I said I think the casual bracket makers will favor Luigi.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

By statistical upset do you mean less then 50%, or an upset according to the boards, because I said I think the casual bracket makers will favor Luigi.

By statistical upset I mean that the XS favor Yoshi with something like 54%, when completely unadjusted for the Circle of Death.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

By statistical upset I mean that the XS favor Yoshi with something like 54%, when completely unadjusted for the Circle of Death.

Oh, then yes, yes I agree. It shall be an upset.
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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Yoshi's actually expected to get 53.32% using the 2k3 XS. A debatable match even without the Circle of Death. And nobody mention that secondary Mario character poll to prove SFF goes Yoshi's way, or else Yoshi would have beaten Bowser.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Yoshi's actually expected to get 53.32% using the 2k3 XS. A debatable match even without the Circle of Death. And nobody mention that secondary Mario character poll to prove SFF goes Yoshi's way, or else Yoshi would have beaten Bowser.

Don't rely on old polls from what I've been told. So you're ok there. ^_^

I think the reason the match is so debatable is that no one really knows in what direction the SFF will go. Unless you're one of those people who doesn't believe SFF to exist, then you really can't be 100% sure on this poll.

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Man is equally incapable of seeing the nothingness from which he emerges and the infinity in which he is engulfed. -Blaise Pascal

Match XXVI: (8) KOS-MOS vs. (9) Ryu

Ryu beat KOS-MOS, 62.13% - 37.87%

Not much happened in this match. Actually this match almost had an exact x-st rating which is cool and it also shut those people up that though Ryu would beat Sonic. This match also marks the second seeding upset, which is pretty weird since in the other contest by this time we should’ve already had like 5 or 6 so I guess CJayC has been doing some good seeding this time for the first round. But both seed upset were predictable so I guess CJayC still needs some tweaking to do. Sonic should beat Ryu around 55/45 like we all thought.

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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Yoshi is cute. He wins. haha no, just kidding. I have no idea how this will play out, and actually used the seeds to make my prediction between the two. It just seems in a SFF, the one with more nominations feels like the fan favorite, because basically all of the nominators for yoshi also know who luigi is.

And.. somebody said something about there being 26s on the leaderboard, so HM has a chance -

no he doesn't (no offense intended, this is informational). If there are 26's on the leaderboard, there will be 300-350 of them overall. If HM isn't one of the top now, he wont be one of the top then, because only the first few submitted 26 brackets will make it.
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Score: 26/26 Leaderboard: 21
Upcoming picks: Joe, Dante, Sora, Ryu

Match XXVIII: (4) Dante vs. (13) Ratchet Preview

Past Performances:

Dante: 2002

Defeated Q*Bert, 70.01% - 29.99%
Lost to Crono, 33.42% - 66.58%
Ranked: 18th

Dante: 2003

Defeated Ryo, 77.65% - 22.35%
Lost to Ryu Hoshi, 45.99% - 54.01%
Ranked: 21st

Ratchet: 2002

Did not attend
Ranked: N/A

Ratchet: 2003

Lost to Luigi, 25.46% - 74.54%
Ranked: 57th

Analysis:

Dante is from the Devil May Cry series. In all of the contests Dante was in he has always been a 4 seed and even though his first round matches were blowouts, Dante has always lost in the second round and the first round is no difference. Even though his newest game Devil May Cry 2 was a flop he actually did about the same as he did in 2002 so I guess the game really didn’t flop. This year Dante might have a chance against to get to the Sweet 16, but that could change if Joe destroys Tails. For the last 2 years people underestimate Dante until his first round match in which he destroyed his opponent making an over hyped for round 2, but then Dante loses by more then we thought he will.

Ratchet is from the Ratchet and Clank series. Last year Ratchet was put against Mario’s brother Luigi even though Luigi couldn’t tripled him we found out that Luigi couldn’t live up to his pre-match hype making things look even worse for Ratchet. Though this year he returns with a higher seed then last year and it looks like he’s going to lose really badly. Ratchet it probably one of or if not the weakest returning character to make a return to the contest. He has returned to get humiliated by a character that is stronger then Luigi. Well it looks like it’s another sad year for the Ratchet fans, if he has any.

Well this is how Dante performs, he beats his first round opponent by more then we expected making people believe that he has a good chance of winning his next round match even though he was suppose to lose (remembers most of us thought that Dante would have a close match with Crono), but with Tails winning I can only say about half of that is actually true and it’s not Tails having a close match with Dante.

Ratchet is a fodder; I’m still surprised he actually came back. The only thing that happened to him was that he got a new game, but as like some people has said the reason that some people have bought a Ratchet game wasn’t for the character, it was for the weapons. If you ask a Ratchet and Clank fan why they bought the game the answer would most likely be because of the weapons. So things don’t look good for Ratchet right there.

Also last year Ratchet got tripled by Luigi. Even though Luigi may have gotten stronger this year, last year most of us would agree that Dante > Luigi and with Dante’s tendency to overperform against the weak characters we could see a 80/20 vote split, but I don’t think that happen, he might get close, but I don’t think Dante would be the only other character to break 80% in this division, but it could happen.

Well with a couple of exciting matches ahead of us I think it’s a good time to take a break for these matches with a nice can of whoop-ass. This isn’t going to be pretty, but someone decent has to beat a fodder. Dante must destroy Ratchet badly or we could see Tails being this years upset, which doesn’t look good on paper, but as long as Dante gets over 75% he should be able to beat Tails.

Charmander’s Bracket: Dante

Charmander’s Prediction: Dante wins, 79.12% - 20.88%

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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Well it looks like it’s another sad year for the Ratchet fans, if he has any.

*looks around tentatively and then slowly raises his hand*

I feel so lonely...
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

and actually used the seeds to make my prediction between the two. It just seems in a SFF, the one with more nominations feels like the fan favorite, because basically all of the nominators for yoshi also know who luigi is.

Don't use seeds. I'm convinced that Ceej modified them by much more than he admits too. There's pleny of arguments for Luigi without falling back on seeding.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

I doubt Going Commando will make much of a difference. Hadn't Ratchet just had a game out before last year's contest, also?
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See Quote

Don't use seeds. I'm convinced that Ceej modified them by much more than he admits too. There's pleny of arguments for Luigi without falling back on seeding.

This is really the only match where seeds were my final decision, because I had no other idea what to do and had to make a choice other than flipping a coin.

Care to elaborate on what's in store for each, outside of some numbers from the XS?

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Score: 26/26 Leaderboard: 21
Upcoming picks: Joe, Dante, Sora, Ryu

Yeah, his first game. I don't think he would've been able to get into the contest without it.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Care to elaborate on what's in store for each, outside of some numbers from the XS?

I really don't want to find and repost my Circle of Death analysis, so I'll just say Mario and Luigi: SuperStar Saga.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

I'm not expecting Going Commando to do a whole lot either.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I would pull a Heroic Mario and push for 30% for Ratchet, but I'd probably end up with the same result.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

therealmnm
Why are people using "Character X went back to his 2k2 level" as a valid excuse? Did I miss something? That's just stating a fact, not explaining WHY they went back to 2k2 level. I've seen some people use this for people like Crash, Kirby, and Sonic without explaining why such a thing would happen. It seems like some people go out of their way to compensate for the extrapolated rankings. I think they are accurate enough. They don't have to be perfect. Overperforming and going back to 2k2 levels shouldn't have to be used as excuses. It seems like a new variable is thrown into the rankings every week.

SFF
WDF
SSBMF
TJF
Overperforming
Underperforming
Da Milk'em Factor
2k2 levels

Did I miss anything? :) I jest some, but there are so many variables that can affect contest outputs. Because of this I just wonder why some people go recrunch all the numbers when something goes slightly wrong. This isn't science, it's a popularity contest! Sometimes it's okay to just nod your head and smile. XD


I agree. Chichiri seems to be the main one using the "back to 2K2" thing. It makes sense on some level, but it's certainly not beyond doubt. For instance, in Squall vs. Bomberman, maybe Bomberman went back up to 2K2 level, or maybe Squall declined. We wouldn't know for sure until later...but even then, there's that SFF-possible Squall/Cloud match to complicate things.

A lot of things, we'll just never know what exactly happened.

The 2K2 thing makes sense because a lot of the numbers end up working out the way 2K2 would've predicted, but it might not entirely be that.


Ulti:
'Someone' = Heroic Mario or ChichiriMuyo

Er...why only those two? If I, Slowflake, or any of the other regulars in this topic make a topic (RPGuy, Leonhart, Ngamer, whoever)--and include the links in the first post--that topic should obviously stand.

If some n00b comes and does it, then that's stupid, especially if they steal the title. One guy making the topics is best, even beyond the "tradition" sense (though that mostly went out the window with solar). But really, there's no need to assign only a couple backups. Any of the regulars should suffice.
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

On Ryu vs. Jill:

I've never believed in pic factor, but I do think there might be a recognizability factor. My main concern is that people just won't recognize Ryu.

Ryu Hayabusa doesn't have universal name recognition, so having a pic that makes it clear who he is might affect his performance. Guys like Cloud, Sephiroth, Link, Mario, etc. don't even need pictures--everyone would know them by name. Not so for, say, Master Chief--I think if you didn't have the picture for him, or if he didn't look like himself in the picture, he might do worse because of it. So, having a cool or good pic might not matter for Master Chief, but having one that makes it clear he's the "Halo guy" might matter.

I would think Ryu has a lot more name recognition than Master Chief--but I'm still concerned a lot of people might not recognize him as the ninja from Ninja Gaiden. I mean, seriously--he looks nothing like himself in that pic.

I don't think Joe vs. Tails is relevant for this match--but I am more concerned about Ryu vs. Jill than before. Still, I'm not as concerned as I was for Joe vs. Tails. I still think Ryu can get 55+%. But before I wouldn't have thought he could actually lose; now I'm thinking it's possible.
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so far only 1 new character has beat an old character and that's Vivi
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/26 Viewtiful Joe vs. Tails

Er...why only those two? If I, Slowflake, or any of the other regulars in this topic make a topic (RPGuy, Leonhart, Ngamer, whoever)--and include the links in the first post--that topic should obviously stand.

Hooray! I'm a regular! Thanks, cn.

On a more serious note, Tails over Joe has pwned most of us and gotten most of us questioning Hayabusa. Except HM, but he doesn't question anything. Anyway, Jill dropped 2% between 2k2 and 2k3. If that trend continues, Jill is almost dead even with Sam Fisher. I'd take Hayabusa over Fisher without even thinking about it. This also assumes Jill's match with Squally, which occured in the beginning of the contest and had the 6th lowest vote total, can be trusted. Keep in mind that Jill got the same percentage as Luigi, but received 8,000 fewer votes.

Just some rambling to allay my own fears about Hayabusa.
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

I don't question things after every match. There are plenty of people in here who will question one's ability to win without seeing his/her opposition go up. Not to name any names though.

As for Hayabusa vs. Jill, I'm actually wondering if I should have looked more at the match. I argued feverishly for Hayabusa for that month, but now that I look at it his opponent isn't someone who's weak... at all.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I don't question things after every match. There are plenty of people in here who will question one's ability to win without seeing his/her opposition go up. Not to name any names though.

Hey, it's worth at least considering the possibility before seeing the opposition. It's kind of like a case of "Anything you can do, I can do better"

As for Hayabusa vs. Jill, I'm actually wondering if I should have looked more at the match. I argued feverishly for Hayabusa for that month, but now that I look at it his opponent isn't someone who's weak... at all.

OH MY SPOON! HM is second-guessing himself! Tie down the gerbils and head for the bomb shelters!
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I'll ask a question that I probably should have asked over a month ago. Can anybody familiar with Ninja Gaiden tell me how often Hayabusa's name comes up? I just looked at some XBox pics, and Ceej's pic doesn't look anything like them. Like creativename, I'm wondering if people will recognize that "Hey, it's the Ninja Gaiden guy!"
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Current Pick: Joe; Current Vote: Joe; Points: 26/26
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

His name is mentioned multiple times in the old Ninja Gaiden games and recently his name as become far more known with the release of the Xbox Ninja Gaiden.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Thanks. As long as he doesn't suffer from Gordon Freeman syndrome, I think he'll win. If he doesn't, I'm out 3 points.
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Current Pick: Dante; Current Dante: Joe; Points: 26/27
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

40 perfects (ouch), 373 -1s, and 1 brave zero.
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Current Pick: Dante; Current Dante: Joe; Points: 26/27
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Wow! We only have 40 perfect brackets left.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Dante is kicking some serious ass right now. He's at 83%.

Oh. Yes.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Can anybody familiar with Ninja Gaiden tell me how often Hayabusa's name comes up?

Just from the script...
Ninja Gaiden I: Ryu - 22 Ryu Hayabusa -3
Ninja Gaiden II: Ryu - 22 Hayabusa - 2 Ryu Hayabusa - 2
Ninja Gaiden III: Who cares?
Ninja Gaiden XBox: No script for it on GameFAQs, but Ryu's name features prominently if I'm not mistaken.
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Why is no one liking this awesomeness with me? =p
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Dante seems to always do very well in round 1 so I'm not surpirsed
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/27 Dante vs. Ratchet

Kirin17 makes the leaderboard again.

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SC2k4: Rank: T2, Score: 25/26, Picked: Viewtiful Joe, Voted: Tails
Solstice (NES) World Record Holder

Thanks, Doma.

Out of the 40 remaining perfects, we have:
16 Links ~ 40%
12 Clouds ~ 30%
5 Sephiroths ~ 12.5%
3 Cronos ~ 7.5%
1 Tidus ~ 2.5%
1 Solid Snake ~ 2.5%
1 Vivi ~ 2.5%
1 Mega Man ~ 2.5%

3 Cronos is the strangest thing for me.
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Current Pick: Dante; Current Dante: Joe; Points: 26/27
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

He got a little over 77% against Ryo last year and is beating what he's expected to get by nearly 6%. Not exactly just a slight overperformance there.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

3 Cronos is the strangest thing for me.

TIMETRAVEL'D

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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

Why is no one liking this awesomeness with me? =p

Because not everyone has a Silver Tomahawk to grind with a certain little fox.
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I kind of wish Ratchet was doing a little better because his games are awesome, but Dante is far and away the better character, I must admit.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

I wonder if Ratchet is just somehow super-strong during the day for some ridiculous, inconceivable reason. Because outside of Luigi vs. Ratchet, Luigi hasn't bombed during the day.

Maybe this will let us know, if Ratchet manages to crazily pick up some points during the day.
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I can't possibly imagine Ratchet getting a big day vote by the time this is over. In fact, I can't see Dante falling under 80%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

We all must hope Tidus and Vivi continue on their path of rage.

The 3 Crono's stands out to me too... Not because I deny his abilities but because bracket makers must have been aware that he faces an extra Elite Eight calibur match up that others do not have to face in facing Mario in round 3. Given the fact that any number of factors may win a match on a giving voting day, be it blackouts, excessive cheaters who don't have work that day or etc., its just more probable that he'd fall with an extra obstacle in his way.

Perhaps the 3 Cronos is because Square has done pretty well so far, outside of Kefka (still winning matches, even when the characters underperform expectations).

Auto-correlation, and all that.
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Okay, so in 2003 Sonic would get 81.60% against Ratchet. Yeah...
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Wait, there are three perfect brackets with Crono winning? I hadn't noticed.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

But in 2003 Dante would be expected to get around 77% against Ratchet. Could it just be Ratchet getting weaker? Because I don't see how Dante would get much stronger.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

Well, it has to be Ratchet getting weaker somehow or Dante would skyrocket on past Sonic. Ratchet did get a highly received game in Going Commando, but I suppose he could have gotten weaker and Dante gotten stronger. Not that either makes much sense.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Going Commando did sell 570,000 copies to get that out of the way.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I see no reason for Dante to have gone up because his only visible source, Viewtiful Joe on PS2, obviously hasn't had time to help Joe. Even though Going Commando is well liked by those who play it, I really haven't heard as much about it as I did the original.\

In short: I'm still pretty certain on Sonic over Dante comfortably.
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Not all those who wander are lost...
There is no god, and the cage wasn't 30 feet. - CM Punk

I love how Q*Bert is by far Dante's strongest first-round opponent to date.

Terry: 9.32% on link 2002
Ratchet: 12.85% on link 2003

Is this strong enough evidence to show that Ratchet is stronger than Terry?

Sonic beat Terry with 80.84% of the vote.
Dante is winning right now with 83.16% of the vote.

Dante beats a stronger character with a higher percent than sonic. This indicates Dante is stronger than Sonic.



In 2003, Sonic would be expected to get 81ish% on Ratchet
In 2004, Dante is winning with over 83% of the vote, expected to get only 77%



I think the question here is to ask, how much has Ratchet fallen? Because a stable Ratchet would indicate that Dante is currently stronger than Sonic.



Any comments? First time ever trying to use the X-stats or look at past results to look at an upcoming match.
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Score: 26/27
Upcoming picks: Dante, Sora, Ryu, Sam

Hey, for all we know, Ratchet's big "comeback" against Luigi was due to massive cheating ;)

Really, Ratchet's fodder. I say take him as Ryo Part II.
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Well, Sonic over Dante seems to be still there, but I could see Dante giving Sonic a closer match than I had originally thought. I'm all for that.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Dante beats a stronger character with a higher percent than sonic. This indicates Dante is stronger than Sonic

Terry's 2K2 value is artificially lowered because of DK vs. Mario SFF.
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Terry's around 14% on Link in 2002 (46th).
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I love how Q*Bert is by far Dante's strongest first-round opponent to date.

Duh. He has the power of #$%#@!

I see no reason for Dante to have gone up because his only visible source, Viewtiful Joe on PS2, obviously hasn't had time to help Joe.

You can get fans from all sorts of places. Dante could have picked up a subsection of Joe fans from his appearance, and/or he could be benefiting from DMC3 hype, and/or he could have picked up a small cadre of MegaTen fans. I mean, Capcom seems to be whoring out Dante so much, you'd think that ertyu was the president...

...NO!!!
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Capcom's definitely got Dante scheduled to be in a lot of places.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

ah HM, I didn't see that, I swear I looked all over. I still think Sonic > dante, just throwing numbers out. Plus ratchet will dwindle the % throughout the day.
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Score: 26/27
Upcoming picks: Dante, Sora, Ryu, Sam

Well, while Sonic should be stronger than Dante I think he'll be able to put up some solid numbers against the hedgehog. I'm also pulling for Dante to keep his percentage around the 82-83% area for most of the day.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Perhaps Luigi overperformed against Squall, and is even weaker than we thought! That'd be great.

Well, Sonic over Dante seems to be still there, but I could see Dante giving Sonic a closer match than I had originally thought. I'm all for that.


Heh now Dante also can defeat Sonic, whats next year? Maybe the 15seed can uspet him?

No Ratchet is the weakest character that has cameback after losing (He's doing much worse that Ryo Hazuki for goods sake)

terry still is a fighting legend, why shouldn't he be able to defeat Ratchet as well?

Dabte>Sonic is not a possible, unkess he also gets 48% on Samus.

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I wouldn't mind seeing Dante beat Samus just to see a shake-up, myself.

And Dante, even though I think he sucks, has one cool picture going in this match.
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*Married to smitelf on 5/21/04* ++SCC GOD++

I've never believed in pic factor, but I do think there might be a recognizability factor. My main concern is that people just won't recognize Ryu.

Ryu Hayabusa doesn't have universal name recognition, so having a pic that makes it clear who he is might affect his performance. Guys like Cloud, Sephiroth, Link, Mario, etc. don't even need pictures--everyone would know them by name. Not so for, say, Master Chief--I think if you didn't have the picture for him, or if he didn't look like himself in the picture, he might do worse because of it. So, having a cool or good pic might not matter for Master Chief, but having one that makes it clear he's the "Halo guy" might matter.

I was thinking the exact same thing. Ryu's profile picture looks like ass and his match picture isn't much better. Plus he doesn't get the (Ninja Gaiden) by his name. So yes, the Tails match has me a bit more wary. In an extreme case, Ryu could fall in the same category as Sam Fisher although that's VERY unlikely. And I don't see Jill being strong enough to take advantage of all the factors going against Ryu.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Heres a stat...

Im still pefect wooohoo!
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Still Perfect!
27/27 - Today, Dante

Top 10 Biggest Blowouts (difference in percentage)

1) 88.60% - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 75.66% - Link over CATS
3) 72.74% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
4) 67.08% - Mario over J.C. Denton
5) 65.98% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
6) 65.96% - Megaman over Eartworm Jim
7) 62.08% - Magus over Luca Blight
8) 61.68% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
9) 60.38% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
10) 55.98% - Crono over Conker

Top 10 Biggest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 69759 - Solid Snake over Tanner
2) 65362 - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
3) 62319 - Link over CATS
4) 55813 - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
5) 53705 - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
6) 52337 - Mario over J.C. Denton
7) 49299 - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
8) 49079 - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 44770 - Crono over Conker
10) 43761 - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Closest Matches (difference in percentage)

1) 0.10% - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1.62% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 9.60% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
4) 10.16% - Ness over Jak
5) 12.94% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
6) 14.32% - Ganondorf over Alucard
7) 14.92% - Knuckles over Kefka
8) 20.46% - Vyse over Laharl
9) 23.92% - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
10) 24.26% - Ryu over KOS-MOS

Top 10 Smallest Vote Gaps (difference in votes)

1) 93 - Frog over Liquid Snake
2) 1546 - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
3) 7397 - Ness over Jak
4) 7673 - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
5) 11105 - Vivi over Donkey Kong
6) 12358 - Knuckles over Kefka
7) 12533 - Ganondorf over Alucard
8) 14072 - Vyse over Laharl
9) 18618 - Tommy Vercetti over Max Payne
10) 20471 - Ryu over KOS-MOS

Top 10 Most Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 95122 - Tidus vs. Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 90064 - Auron vs. Scorpion
3) 89848 - Sephiroth vs. Sly Cooper
4) 88953 - Cloud vs. Duke Milk'em
5) 87733 - Frog vs. Liquid Snake
6) 87557 - Ganondorf vs. Alucard
7) 85781 - Vivi vs. Donkey Kong
8) 84625 - Megaman vs. Earthworm Jim
9) 84379 - KOS-MOS vs. Ryu
10) 82798 - Kefka vs. Knuckles

Top 10 Least Popular Polls (by vote totals)

1) 68808 - Vyse vs. Laharl
2) 70495 - Magus vs. Luca Blight
3) 72863 - Ness vs. Jak
4) 74383 - Bowser vs. Guybrush Threepwood
5) 75307 - Luigi vs. Pac-Man
6) 77021 - Master Cheif vs. Crash Bandicoot
7) 77860 - Tommy Vercetti vs. Max Payne
8) 78031 - Mario vs. J.C. Denton
9) 78608 - Yoshi vs. Ryo Hazuki
10) 78743 - Solid Snake over Tanner

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Top 10 Highest Individual Votes

1) 77605 - Sephiroth
2) 74251 - Solid Snake
3) 72344 - Link
4) 71329 - Cloud
5) 70219 - Megaman
6) 65184 - Mario
7) 64615 - Sonic the Hedgehog
8) 62375 - Crono
9) 61731 - Bowser
10) 60057 - Yoshi

Top 10 Lowest Individual Votes

1) 4492 - Tanner
2) 10025 - CATS
3) 12243 - Sly Cooper
4) 12652 - Guybrush Threepwood
5) 12847 - J.C. Denton
6) 13367 - Luca Blight
7) 14406 - Earthworm Jim
8) 15316 - Terry Bogard
9) 17605 - Conker
10) 17624 - Duke Milk'em

Top 10 Most Impressive Losers (by votes)

1) 46788 - Shadow the Hedgehog
2) 43820 - Liquid Snake
3) 37512 - Alucard
4) 37338 - Donkey Kong
5) 36102 - Viewtiful Joe
6) 35220 - Lettuce Kefka
7) 32733 - Jak
8) 31954 - KOS-MOS
9) 31660 - Scorpion
10) 29621 - Max Payne

Top 10 Least Impressive Winners (by votes)

1) 40130 - Ness
2) 41440 - Vyse
3) 43775 - Tails
4) 43913 - Frog
5) 47578 - Knuckles
6) 48239 - Tommy Vercetti
7) 48334 - Tidus
8) 48443 - Vivi
9) 50045 - Ganondorf
10) 51008 - Luigi

Top 10 Easiest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 98.79% - Link over CATS
2) 98.28% - Mario over J.C. Denton
3) 97.97% - Cloud over Duke Milk'em
4) 97.47% - Megaman over Earthworm Jim
4) 97.47% - Sonic the Hedgehog over Terry Bogard
6) 97.37% - Sephiroth over Sly Cooper
7) 97.27% - Solid Snake over Tanner
8) 95.00% - Bowser over Guybrush Threepwood
9) 93.43% - Crono over Conker
10) 90.45% - Magus over Luca Blight

Top 10 Hardest Matches to Predict (based on entrants choosing the winner)

1) 35.13% - Vivi over Donkey Kong
2) 43.05% - Knuckles over Kefka
3) 44.33% - Frog over Liquid Snake
4) 46.30% - Tails over Viewtiful Joe
5) 54.16% - Ness over Jak
6) 63.02% - Ganondorf over Alucard
7) 66.71% - Vyse over Laharl
8) 68.69% - Luigi over Pac-Man
9) 70.06% - Tidus over Shadow the Hedgehog
10) 70.09% - Ryu over KOS-MOS

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

i find it somewhat ironic that bracketmakers had more faith in Tails than both Shadow and Knuckles, despite Tails being weaker than both of them.

Tails - 46.30%
Knuckles - 43.05%
Shadow - 29.94%

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

oh, and i'm told that Warran Thad has the only zero bracket left. i'm not sure who he picked in Ryu vs. Jill, though.

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That's it. I have reached my threshold of pain. I am going home and I am going to play Megaman, eat snack cakes, and do my woman.

Excellent performance by Dante today. He should whip right past Tails then bow out respectfully to Sonic.
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Dante vs. Ratchet - Bracket: Dante - Vote: Ratchet (25/27)

Chaos Division: Round 1 - Match 29 – (6)Sora vs. (11)HK-47

Moltar’s Analysis

Sora
Game/Series Known From: Kingdom Hearts
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: 39th
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: 6
Lost in Round 1 to Aeris in 2003.

Sora is a girl’s name..............what, it is..................

HK-47
Game/Series Known From: Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
Extrapolated Rank in 2002: N/A
Extrapolated Rank in 2003: N/A
Seed in 2002: N/A
Seed in 2003: N/A

A robot that ENCOURAGES you to kill people? Where can I buy one of them?

Contest regular vs. Contest noob...blah blah....yes again. Last year, Sora lost to Aeris 66-34. Could HK-47 do that? Well, he’d lose to Aeris, but probably worse. Anyway, HK-47 is just a robot who you meet about 3/4ths when you’re done with the game. Thanks to his urge to be a bad bot, he has become a favorite among many at GameFAQs. Sora on the oth....darn it, I just don’t feel like analyzing this match. Go read one of the others. In fact, *insert other 2 members analyses right here*

And that’s all I need say on this match.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Sora will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Sora 58% - HK-42%



Ulti’s Analysis

Sora may be a weakling, but look at HK-47 for a moment. He isn't even a required character in his own game, so he will not get the full backing of the KOTOR fanbase in this match. Furthermore, no Xbox character will ever become elite on this site. It's a sexy upset special to think that HK-47 could beat Sora, but I feel that it is a wrong choice. Whether this match boils down to Kingdom Hearts vs KOTOR or Sora vs HK-47, Sora has the advantage.

Ulti’s Bracket/Prediction - Sora/Sora with 56.92%



Cena’s Analysis

Sora's a 6 seed, how odd to see that. I can see HK winning this, but this'll be like Ness/Jak. Honestly, I don't think HK has a chance in hell to win this, no matter how (supposedly) good Knights of the Old Republic was. Seriously, I need to get out and play some games.

Cena's Vote: Sora (for the bracket)

Cena's Prediction: Sora with 56% (It is a Star Wars character after all)
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Dante vs. Ratchet - Bracket: Dante - Vote: Ratchet (25/27)

Wow..40 perfects left...good. I need peeps above me to keep losing. I dont care where they lose! They just need to lose! I still see leaderboard glory in my destiny :)

Though its prolly next year... ^sigh^

This match is a joke...so today we will lose no more than 2 perfects, if that...
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Steve Illumina: Official Satirical Commentator of SC2K4
Perfects to Fall: 40 SC2K4: 24/27 (Go Ryu!)

Aww, come on Ratchet, you can do better than that. This makes me so sad to see a character from two awesome platormers get blown out by some guy whose games I've never played.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

All fault of TFF (The Flamenco Factor), I tell ya.
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Well, when the parents are away... brother and sister can play..

Ouch, Dante is taking quite the fall. You guys claim he was up with 83% earlier, and when I woke up, he was in the 81%-82%, now he's under 81% and still falling.

Could all our day vote now belong to Ratchet?
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Tommy vs. Max - http://www.stripcreator.com/comics/Moltar
Dante vs. Ratchet - Bracket: Dante - Vote: Ratchet (25/27)

Dante is doing great right now.
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I lost my perfect bracket! Now I'm going to get pwned by <insert username here> in the Guru Contest! Ugh!!!

Score - Brackets - % Right
26 ---- 106 ------- 37.73584906
25 ---- 627 ------- 48.96331738
24 ---- 1786 ------ 47.7043673
23 ---- 3419 ------ 47.93799357
22 ---- 4905 ------ 47.84913354
21 ---- 5757 ------ 47.64634358
20 ---- 5425 ------ 44.77419355
19 ---- 4339 ------ 45.10255819
18 ---- 2992 ------ 45.15374332
17 ---- 1786 ------ 43.22508399
16 ---- 977 ------- 42.16990788
15 ---- 524 ------- 46.75572519
14 ---- 222 ------- 46.3963964
13 ---- 107 ------- 49.53271028
12 ---- 47 -------- 46.80851064
11 ---- 25 -------- 36
10 ---- 9 --------- 44.44444444
9 ----- 1 --------- 100
8 ----- 7 --------- 71.42857143
7 ----- 5 --------- 40
6 ----- 15 -------- 53.33333333
5 ----- 25 -------- 68
4 ----- 19 -------- 68.42105263
3 ----- 41 -------- 58.53658537
2 ----- 30 -------- 53.33333333
1 ----- 23 -------- 39.13043478
0 ----- 2 --------- 50

The perfects did worse than the average, as only 40 of 106 perfects picked Tails to beat Joe. We lost one of our two remaining zero brackets, too. We're also starting to finally see a distinct bimodal distribution, with one peak around 21-22 points and the other peak around 3-4 points. Since the latter is much closer to 0 than the former is to 27, we can say that the people going for a zero bracket did "better" than the average person going for a perfect bracket.

A whopping 30 people fell off the top 50. There's too many to list. Notables include donoso (1st), sailorgirl456 (2nd), Mister Yuya (3rd), Fireblade02 (16th), Smurf Thy Legend (19th), Steinershocker (24th), and solarshadow (41st).
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

I told before I went to bed Dante usually beats his opponents by more then we expected. Remember his match against Ryo we went from easily losing next round to about half the board actually thought he would win
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/27 Dante vs. Ratchet

Well I guess this kinda ruins my whole Link/Samus SFF theory, since neither Squall, or KOS-MOS, or Ratchet has been performing like there was any.

Unless Luigi suffers from Mario anti-votes as well, but then his scores against Pac-Man wouldn't make much sense.
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See Quote

I would pull a Heroic Mario and push for 30% for Ratchet, but I'd probably end up with the same result.

Strange how that turned out like it'll be true. Heh, Ratchet's doing pretty good with the day vote though. He might be able to bring Dante down to where he was supposed to be.

And HM, nobody is celebrating with you because not everyone has a vicious vendetta against Tails and because Ratchet deserves better than this.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Cloud would have creamed Mario had they met again.

Yeah, but the point is that they didn't. Cloud never lost directly to Link.

The numbers change. They aren't set in stone, and even the people kind enough to provide them to us know that they are fallible.

Exactly my point. Numbers may show things... but direct matchups haven't changed yet.

they weren't Cloud wouldn't haev become champion
in 2k3.

Cloud didn't face Mario in 2003. ;x

My point is that no matter what the numbers have said, identical matches have, to this point, turned out with the same net result. We'll just have to wait and see.

And the point about Sephiroth? He has lost to both Cloud and Link, making it all the more difficult. Mega Man has a better shot of winning than he.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

[This message was deleted at the request of the original poster]

Heh, not at all. My bracket has Link over Cloud and Crono over Mario. I'm just pointing this out.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Ouch, Dante is taking quite the fall. You guys claim he was up with 83% earlier, and when I woke up, he was in the 81%-82%, now he's under 81% and still falling.

Could all our day vote now belong to Ratchet?

The percentage is falling, but the lead is steadily increasing. If Dante had 160 votes, and Ratchet had 0, Dante would have 100% of the vote.

Now, If you give Dante another 30 votes, and only give Ratchet 10, Ratchet no longer has 0% of the vote, but 5% of it. Although Dante's lead still increased by a fair amount, the percentage dropped.

I know, anyone can figure this out, but I haven't posted much lately.
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There is no such thing as good or evil, just perspective and opinion, that is what separates us.

Well, we measure the day vote by percentage and not margin, apparently.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Eh, percentage to me means absolutely ****. I refreshed earlier, Dante was getting 15 unanswered votes at a time, and the percentage didn't move. Later Ratchet got about 8 votes in quickly, and the percentage dropped...
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There is no such thing as good or evil, just perspective and opinion, that is what separates us.

You don't have to tell anybody here that percentage doesn't mean anything here. We know that. It's just considered "losing the day vote" when you can't maintain the same pace you did during the night.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

These matches are so intense if you're there to witness 'em. I just wake up and find out the answer. ;x
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

When we talk about "winning the day vote", it usually refers to the character doing better during the day. Not necessarily that stuff Perfect Dark did against SotN.

So, Ratchet's pulling Dante down... but that still doesn't compare to what he did to Luigi. Starting out 85-15 and ending 75-25... that was just weird.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/027 - Matches: 25/27 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Today: Dante - Tomorrow: Sora

"That's just stating a fact, not explaining WHY they went back to 2k2 level."

Two possibilities, I've expounded on one many times and the other should be logical enough for everyone else to come up with. Either the change in voting pool makes up a significant difference in strength for certain character OR the 2k3 XSt has as many flaws as 2k2.

"but i haven't used the "back to 2K2 level" argumeny yet,"

Yet it is clearly there.

"from the instruction booklet used?"

It looked to me like they had their battle polys used, which are an ingame look and do look much cleaner than the rest of the time.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

"Not necessarily that stuff Perfect Dark did against SotN"

PD sucks.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And... what does it have to do with it actually claiming over half of the daytime vote?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/027 - Matches: 25/27 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Today: Dante - Tomorrow: Sora

Oh, nothing, just that PD sucks. :)
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yah, I tend to dislike FPSes. Goldeneye was great though.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/027 - Matches: 25/27 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Today: Dante - Tomorrow: Sora

Yeah, GE was great, it almost deserved to beat SotN... in the sense that ertyu could almost be an english teacher, of course, but nevertheless better than PD.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

XD for relevance.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Oh, and I hope that you aren't all foolish enough to have though that the 2k3 Xst were perfect after throwing out the 2k2 stats as highly flawed. Wouldn't that be stupid.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Back on topic... I think the 2002 level argument can only be used reasonably for Bomberman, at least for now. I mean, there was no reason at all for him to drop like that. Of course, it depends on whether there was really a WDF anomaly or not. Sonic did a 2002 performance, Ryu did a 2003 performance, Samus and Megaman we don't know yet. The matches against Lara and Tidus may give some relevant information.

Speaking of Tidus, it would be funny to see him make it a close match with Megaman in the opening hours, since it's known that Megaman will win the day vote, and big, and that he should be expected to win in the mid-to-high-50s. Maybe Ryu can do that too, who knows?
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/027 - Matches: 25/27 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Today: Dante - Tomorrow: Sora

For all the number crunching-junkies -- Ryu shouldn't be up to Sonic, right?

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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

"I mean, there was no reason at all for him to drop like that."

Unless Sephiroth faced SFF agaisnt Cloud...

Do think about it, Alucard has increased every year. FIrst time he is hit by Mario overperforming agaisnt Cloud and Mario/Link SFF second time he is hit by Cloud/Seph SFF (though distantly) then third time he goes against an opponent who only had S/N matches... and so Alucard comes out looking better evertime.

I know, that's a large stretch to explain Bomberman, though he came from Alucard's four pack, but if you won't believe the 2k2 theory, as some of you now call it, then this is another reason to pile on top. Wellm that and the old B-man's new game.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Nah, according to 2003 numbers, which, to answer Chichiri's question, should be considered more due to extra recency, Sonic would get 57% on Ryu.

However, Knuckles got that score on Kefka after trailing for the first hour. So I wouldn't be overly surprised to see that scenario repeat.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/027 - Matches: 25/27 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Today: Dante - Tomorrow: Sora

Claerly recency isn't the only relevance, Slow. I can undersand using 2k3 primarily, as I do too, but it has proven to have as many oddities as the 2k2 bracket. What if Max Payne is stronger than we expected because last year he faced Seph directly who took loses from Cloud? Max DID have a new game but only made a small increase. Maybe Tommy isn't dropping off like we thought then.

There are just some oddities that are hard to explain, and while Bomberman is the one that stands out he isn't the only one.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Ryu will chew Sonic up and spit him out. Unless I can win with 6 points away from a perfect. Then I don't care anyway.
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

Well said.

But maybe, just maybe, GTA is like AYB, i.e. a fad that's slowly dying out? That's just an idea, we'll have to wait and see how he does against Zero.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/027 - Matches: 25/27 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Today: Dante - Tomorrow: Sora

Do think about it, Alucard has increased every year. FIrst time he is hit by Mario overperforming agaisnt Cloud and Mario/Link SFF second time he is hit by Cloud/Seph SFF (though distantly) then third time he goes against an opponent who only had S/N matches... and so Alucard comes out looking better evertime.

Alucard is gonna get hit by Link vs Ganon SFF this time ><
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

"we'll have to wait and see how he does against Zero."

Indeed.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

As far as Dante overperforming goes, Crash fell and Jak and Joe didn't live up to expectations. Maybe platformers in general are in decline here.
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Current Pick: Dante; Current Vote: Dante; Points: 26/27
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Er. Mario much? But yeah, that is possible. By the way, no one has defined platformer yet...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

"Alucard is gonna get hit by Link vs Ganon SFF this time ><"

Yes, BUT(!!!) the catch here is that Ganon had a solid performance last year by only going up against square characters. Because of that we can safely assume that in relation to Link Ganon's 2k3 numbers are stable. When the XSt are done I'm sure somebody will probably be of sound enough mind to take care of the SFF anomalies by using the most stable numbers we can find. For a lot of characters I don't think we have the best numbers possible because of SFF finals, but many matches could at least be made better.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Er. Mario much? But yeah, that is possible. By the way, no one has defined platformer yet...

I meant non big name platformers. Sonic, Mario, and Mega Man are the obvious exceptions. Conker didn't seem to move much, though. Maybe his fanbase is just more hardcore.
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Current Pick: Dante; Current Vote: Dante; Points: 26/27
Henshin a bye-bye, my perfect bracket.

Heh now Dante also can defeat Sonic, whats next year? Maybe the 15seed can uspet him?

I never said Dante would defeat Sonic. I said he would surely give him a pretty good match and I still believe he will. As sad as it is Sonic characters are taking out a lot of people I like (Chaos Division).

No Ratchet is the weakest character that has cameback after losing (He's doing much worse that Ryo Hazuki for goods sake)

No. Guybrush and Ryo are weaker than he is and him falling greatly doesn't make much sense after getting Going Commando. I suspect he could have fallen, but surely not by anything big.

terry still is a fighting legend, why shouldn't he be able to defeat Ratchet as well?

I haven't bothered to check it, but Terry would have gotten 14% in 2002 and I don't know if he's gone down since then or what. If he's at 14%, then yeah, he'd beat Ratchet.

Dabte>Sonic is not a possible, unkess he also gets 48% on Samus.

I never said it was unless Dante stayed at the 83% he had last night. All I said was that Dante could give Sonic a pretty good match, and I'd expect him too.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

"Maybe platformers in general are in decline here."

I think I remember that ChichiriMuyo guy saying that new platformers are never strogn here and the only platformers that can do well are from very well established series.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Yes, BUT(!!!) the catch here is that Ganon had a solid performance last year by only going up against square characters. Because of that we can safely assume that in relation to Link Ganon's 2k3 numbers are stable. When the XSt are done I'm sure somebody will probably be of sound enough mind to take care of the SFF anomalies by using the most stable numbers we can find. For a lot of characters I don't think we have the best numbers possible because of SFF finals, but many matches could at least be made better.

Yeah. We got lucky last year w/ Square - Nintendo - Square - Nintendo as opposed to Square-Square-Nintendo-Nintendo or similar.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

And HM, nobody is celebrating with you because not everyone has a vicious vendetta against Tails and because Ratchet deserves better than this.

Who said I didn't like Dante?
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Speaking of Tidus, it would be funny to see him make it a close match with Megaman in the opening hours

Hah, yeah right.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

No, really. Imagine the carnage on the board. That would well be worth the entrance ticket.
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SC2K4 Status - Points: 025/027 - Matches: 25/27 - Rank: 00414/33221 - Today: Dante - Tomorrow: Sora

"By the way, no one has defined platformer yet..."

It's a game that, typically now but not in the past, you do lots of exploring to collect crap loads of items that don't actually do anything while doing a lot of jumping around often in cute, brightly lit worlds while sometimes hitting darker places.

Key points typical of the genre though not exclussive to it nor necessarily followed at all times.

Several small "worlds" that are sometimes linked by an overworld.
Lots of item collecting, especially for items that have no relevance to powering up the characters but are often necessary for advancement.
A single hero who may or may not have a sidekick, it is permissible that occasionally they may opt to be "co-stars" but typically one is greedy and kicks the other to the curb.
Title typically contains the name of the hero and his costar/sidekick is applicable
Lots of jumping, especially to find the aforementioned items of little use.
Typically considered to a game worthy of children.
Fighting is not emphasized as much as exploration. Occasionally they can be given in roughly equal doses but the fighting never outweighs exploration in a platformer.
Boses are often large. Really large. Sometimes even really, really large. You may only be as big is their head, and you may have to grab their tail and swing them around for the kill because they might have spikes not allowing you to jump on them. They may also breathe fire. Of course boses can be nothing like that, yet typically they are big.

There are of course exceptions but often they follow these guidlines.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Most people seem to agree that if Sephiroth were to get by Cloud, he'd probably beat Link also. A lot of people also think that if Mega Man can get by Link, he'll be strong enough to get by Cloud. What do you think would happen if the finals were bizarrely Mega Man vs. Sephiroth? And if that happened, how many people do you think would predict those two there?
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

"What do you think would happen if the finals were bizarrely Mega Man vs. Sephiroth?"

As the past is wont to show us... Sephirtoh > Mega Man.

Now try something a little trickier like Crono vs. Seph... that may actually force people to think.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Oh right, I forgot about that =)
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

Heh, yeah, figured you might have. I have this feeling however that Crono is gonna give Link hell this year. He's been hit with unaccounted SFF two years in a row because of Mario, and he is looking slightly better than in previous years. I won't call him the winner just yet (though it'd be tons of fun) but I am saying that when he beats Mario he's primed to give Link a real run for his money.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Well my second question still stands - if Mega Man faced Sephiroth in the finals, how many people do you think would have predicted that? I'm guessing not more than a percent or two.
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You play with your controller in one hand for 85% of the game. If that isn't a gaming experience, I don't know what is. -the jp, on FFX-2

Well my second question still stands - if Mega Man faced Sephiroth in the finals, how many people do you think would have predicted that? I'm guessing not more than a percent or two.

less than 1%

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SC2K4: 25/27 Tomorrow's Pick: Sora

Who said I didn't like Dante?

You haven't been this fervent in supporting many characters in performing well above standards, and I think the reasoning is obvious. You want Dante to crush Tails as badly as possible.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

"You want Dante to crush Tails as badly as possible."

Dante is going to crush Tails anyway. Really, stop with the poorly formed accusations.

And if Somehow Mega Man beats Crono to face link I don't tihnk many will get both finalists right... but If Crono loses to Seph in the finals my friend owes me some prizes.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

And if that happened, how many people do you think would predict those two there?

Z1mZum picked Mega Man over Sephiroth in the guru contest...so that's one.
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SC2K4 Score: 25/27 (Hayabusa, Yoshi). About to be owned by ____ in the guru contest (Unless Magus and Sephiroth win).

how many people do you think would have predicted that? I'm guessing not more than a percent or two.

I would have guessed the Mega Man portion correctly, heh.

You haven't been this fervent in supporting many characters in performing well above standards, and I think the reasoning is obvious. You want Dante to crush Tails as badly as possible.

Tails and then Sonic if I could have my way. Again, though, I do like Dante just not as much as say... ertyu.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Well no one loves Dante as much as ertyu. ertyu wants to have wild butt sex with the guy...
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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

From the looks of it, this should be about all Dante falls. Hopefully he could tempt getting 81% later tonight.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

I never said you didn't like Dante. I just know how frustrated you were yesterday by Tails beating Joe, especially considering how you already felt about each character beforehand anyway. What I said wasn't farfetched.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

"What I said wasn't farfetched."

It was as farfetch'd as the pokemon.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Not really. It's a natural reaction to a frustrating and/or unfavorable situation.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I really hate that Tail won too, and I'm happy to see Dante stomping Ratchet's ass, but they could be on opposite sides of the bracket and my feelings would be the same because I like Dante, he's a very cool character. I'm not sure how that'd be so hard for you to understand.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

Dante looks like he's slipping little by little. I'm pretty sure he should stay above 80% though.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

This is a quality topic in my opinion.

Like I said as long as Dante doesn't go below 75% he'll beat Tails
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/27 Dante vs. Ratchet

Well, it's not like I was ever worried about him beating Tails. I just want to see him stay above 80%.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

This match surprises me, but no matter, Dante will not be in the Elite eight. Dannte lost over Ryu and Sonic will win over Ryu, but IF Ryu wins then he will win over Dante as well.

*is very happy to see that someone is weaker than Ryo Hazuki that was in the contest last year.*
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 25/27

What parcentage do you think Dante will get on tails?

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

What parcentage do you think Dante will get on tails?

Dante will get somewhere around 21.79%. Some folks say he will fail to break the 15% barrier but I think otherwise

This match surprises me, but no matter, Dante will not be in the Elite eight.

Pretty much. The only time I would start getting happy about Dante possibly beating Sonic was if he stayed around 83%.

Dannte lost over Ryu and Sonic will win over Ryu, but IF Ryu wins then he will win over Dante as well.

Both of their performances against Sonic will be good ones.

What parcentage do you think Dante will get on tails?

I'm going with a good 60% for Dante.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Tails will get like 39%, I consider Dante weaker than Auron, but I could be wrong.
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 25/27

Both of their performances against Sonic will be good ones.

Well duh, Ryu got like 45% on Solid Snake, so he can't do much worse (if not better) on Sonic. Dante got like 45% on Ryu, so he will also get above 40%.
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 25/27

I don't think Tails would break 40% against him, but he could come close
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/27 Dante vs. Ratchet

If there is ever a Dante vs. Auron matchup.. I think Auron will get the win

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

I'm looking forward to Ryu going up against Sonic, myself. But if I can't get a win from them, I'll just root for them to come close to taking Sonic down.

Joe, Ryu, Dante. I just love Sonic characters.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

"from the instruction booklet used?"

It looked to me like they had their battle polys used, which are an ingame look and do look much cleaner than the rest of the time.

I meant to say from the BradyGames strategy guide. If you have it, you can tell. CJayC even used Cloud's name graphic from that strategy guide. But nonetheless, those pictures used in the match were not in-game pics. They were the computer models USED for the in-game models, but they weren't directly taken from an in-game screenshot. Of course the battle character models are more crisp than the field models. But it's highly unlikely that CJayC could get that good a picture without using those SAME pics that I saw in the strategy guide. Look at Squall's pic. THAT was in-game.

Anyways, this is a moot point. It's not like it really MATTERS what pic Cloud has, especially in the sweet 16. I just wanna see the field model of Cloud used, just like I would want to see Ryu or Kefka. It brings back the nostalgia effect more than the battle model pics would.

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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Joe, Ryu, Dante. I just love Sonic characters.


I thought that you of all would knew that those are capcom characters.
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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 25/27

Zylo, where's that quote come from?

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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

I thought that you of all would knew that those are capcom characters.

I was talking about how a Sonic character will and/or have beat one of them.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

At least you'll have the satisfaction of hearing Tails' bones grinding and breaking underneath Dante's heel.

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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Zylo, where's that quote come from?
Do you mean my quote or my signature?

My signature was a sig bet on the Tidus/Shadow match that I lost and my quote is something stupid I made up in my mind.

Chrono Trigger has no fanbase at all here on GameFAQS, and Halo got a freaking 1st seed in the sprng contest, Masterchief will not lose before the semi final, if he will ever lose that is.

Many don't see that it's a joke and post stuff liek "Halo lost to and 16seed, but nobody has said, Chrono Trigger was also and 1st seed.

Anyway it's fun to see how people act when you post it. (I have done that in every Frog VS Masterchief topic I have seen)

Oh and I was just joking HM.


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"I have AgentONeal XTREME to thank for saving my life, ask me how!" "Bigboi was right. Tidus > Shadow." 25/27

At least you'll have the satisfaction of hearing Tails' bones grinding and breaking underneath Dante's heel.

Ineed. ;)

Oh and I was just joking HM.

Heh.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Yeah, I was referring to your quote.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

They may be taken from a book but they are still representations of in-game models. It's not like he is taking Cloud's concept art against somebodies sprite/poly. It's still fair, and I highly doubt Cloud was the only one thta got that treatment.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

That artwork that CJayC used for Cloud was Nomura's official character art, the same as Sephiroth's picture =/.
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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

I never said it had anything to do with being fair. Cloud vs. Bowser would have had the same result even if they had a picture of a cloud.... I was just stating a preference of pics that I would have liked to see in that round.

http://www.sc2k4.com/frog/view.php?gid=16&page=2

Go look for yourself and look at Cloud, Aeris, and Sephiroth. I think the in-field models would have fit the match pics for that round better. It has nothing to do with being fair. If that were the case, you'd be hearing OMG LOOK WHAT HE DID TO BOWSER!
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

Mumei, we're talking about the Sweet 16 match pics from last year.
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"There are only 10 kinds of people in this world, those that read binary and those that don't."

I don't see the problem with it.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

If we're talking just prefernce, then, I'd have to say I liked those better. The lego charaters aren't that great. Apparently they didn't learn how to make chibi-polys until FF9.
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True love is a fairy tale. I'm damaged, so how would I know? - Plummet: Damaged

I know that. But after this:

"I meant to say from the BradyGames strategy guide. If you have it, you can tell. CJayC even used Cloud's name graphic from that strategy guide."

I just felt like mentioning that that artwork wasn't the strategy guide's artwork.

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M-me? Queen ***** of the Universe?
This is the happiest day of my life. ~ smitelf

This thus topic 43 dies out, with a discussion on Cloud's hair.
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

were running out of discussions
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/27 Dante vs. Ratchet

The rest of this round sucks.

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The topic is dead. Not the kind of dead that can be cured with a Phoenix Down. I'm talking FMV sequence dead.- The King in Teal

And there's nothing else to say about today's match either.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

I think Dante will win todays match.

Not really. Ryu vs Jill is still in the air.

500!
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My life retain'eth its meaning!
Next up on the menu: Master Chief.

Well, we've beaten Hayabusa vs. Jill to death and aside from that there isn't anything else that will happen.
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SC2k4 Winner: Mega Man
Ken Masters; the fighting king clothed in blazing fire.

Little bit of a foregone conclusion there. Dante had this thing won from the start.

Hayabusa-Jill is our last chance for some first round excitement.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Almost to 500

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"I just wanna protect the people I'm with. Doesn't matter whether I can or not. It's what I believe in."
-Zidane (Final Fantasy IX)

true I think we've listed every factor for Ryu H. vs. Jill
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Summer 2004 Contest 23/27 Dante vs. Ratchet

Bring on Luigi-Yoshi!
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Summer Championship
2nd Round: (5)Kirby

Whoopie!
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BIGPUN999 is all man, even in the bedroom *Tee Hee*
There you go you snot nosed punk!

And yet no one sees that Jill will beat Ryu
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I GOTTA HAVE MORE COWBELL; Contest: 25/27
“TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso